PC Gaming & Emulation - Snapdragon X Elite // An Early Look at the Surface Pro 11 // Windows on ARM
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- 👉 Join me as we take an early look at Microsoft's brand new Surface Pro 11 which is powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite chipset which promises to be quite the leap forward for Windows on ARM. Not only that but Windows now has the new PRISM translation layer which improves compatibility with x86 games and apps. Please join me as we briefly examine the potential for PC gaming using this new translation layer as well as native ARM emulation with Playstation Portable, Playstation 2, Gamecube, and Wii as well as others like Switch emulation.
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📑CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
00:41 Surface Pro 11
01:24 Microsoft PRISM
02:06 PC Gaming
02:56 Grand Theft Auto V
04:00 Ori and the Blind Forest
04:50 Tetris Effect
05:21 Stray
06:05 Doom Eternal (Vulkan Issues)
07:09 God of War
07:48 Hades II
08:47 What Doesn't Work?
10:01 Emulation
10:23 Playstation Portable (PPSSPP - ARM)
11:15 Nintendo Gamecube (Dolphin - ARM)
12:12 Nintendo Wii (Dolphin - ARM)
12:37 Playstation 2 (AetherSX2 - ARM)
13:37 Playstation 2 (PCSX2 - x86)
14:10 Switch (Sudachi - x86)
14:43 What Doesn't Work? (RPCS3, Xenia)
15:11 Wrap Up
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Let me know what you might want to see tested! 🙏
Various Generations of 3D Games as well as Windows Game Compatibility with older and newer 2D PC games.
Nintendo 3ds Emulation
Also Cemu for Wii U
Supertuxkart lol - it's not very demanding but it actually has a native windows arm build which would make it easy to make a comparison between native and x86 emulation for a game
docker 😂
Finally a look at emulation on one of these, this is the kind of gaming I'd be looking to do on here.
There will definitely be more testing!
Exactly, I'm not looking to play AAA games on this thing. I just wanted to be able to drop into a few games of Mario Kart in Dolphin when I'm not doing any work.
Honestly, and it’s great!
Now that is a review ! Thanks so much .
You’re very welcome, I’m glad it was helpful! 🙏
Im so glad you made this video ive been considering getting this and emulation is my main form of gaming so this is so useful man. Great video!!
You’re very welcome! I figured this would be helpful for many considering these new devices. I should have more videos coming soon 🙏
Great video. Thanks for emulation testing.
Thanks for this video. A random itch I was curious about when I was looking at Surfaces.
You’re very welcome! 🙏
This is cool as hell!
Cool. Thank you.
You’re very welcome! 🙏
*Yes finally someone reviewed what I'm looking for in these chips* 😊😊😊
I should have more coming in the next few days! 🙏
Definitely performing better than I would have expected, game wise! I got the Surface Laptop 7, which is the same chipset and RAM as this, and so far the only game I've tried is World of Warcraft, which is compiled for arm, and runs flawlessly. I can get it over 60fps by lowering settings. Thank you for the look at emulation, I'm mostly interested in nintendo platforms, so it's great to hear Dolphin has a native arm build, and I will test that. I'm going to look up SNES and GBA emulators and try those. Thanks for a great video!
I would guess it won't be long before a build of Sudachi with the NCE (native code execution) feature is available, like on Android builds.
loving my surface pro 11. i cloud game through game pass mostly myself. or i stream from my series x when home here and there. Cloud gaming is only improving.
Cloud gaming has definitely improved a ton. GeForce Now is really solid.
14:24 Ryujinx *does* run natively on ARM. You just have to compile it yourself. And it runs games really well. If you like to, I can send you my own compiled version, if you don't have much expirience with compiling yourself.
Are you using the Linux ARM64 build to compile? I know the Ryujinx team has been working on a Windows on ARM version but there's such limited information out there.
I'd love to be able to get this working natively and show off some of the capabilities of the SDX since I have an upcoming emulation focused video in the future.
@@retrotechdad I just downloaded the source code from the GitHub (click on the green "code" button, then install zip), Unzip that. In that folder you have a README file and inside of that is somewhere a 3 step tutorial on how to compile it yourself. It will automatically build iself for the architecture you are currently using on your device, in this case Arm64.
Performance seems good. Metroid Dread runs with 60FPS in docked mode, BOTW with mostly 30FPS in handheld mode. The big problem is, that in certain 3D scenes, the screen gets all buggy and messy, BOTW is a total mess to play. Some games don't seem to suffer from that issue that much, Metroid Dread has it occasionally, but to an extend that I would deem playable.
@@otozinclus3593considering the raw cpu power of this chip. I’m sure it’s capable of more than that. Hopefully the bugs get ironed out
Thanks for review. What controller you used?
Great video. Really impressed. Out of curiosity, have you tried install an ARM Linux? I would love to dual boot on it.
I’ve started to research the best distro for it. The main thing I’m worried about is compatibility because the hardware is new. I am definitely curious to see how performance is over on Linux ARM.
@@retrotechdad I heard in videos from some reviewers that at Computex some tests presented by Qualcom were on Linux.
Great video! I’ve been excited for these laptops. Can you try Diablo 4 by any chance?
yeah and dota2 on low, medium and high on dx12 and vilkan comparison.
Yes, definitely! Diablo 4 is a go-to test game so it’s on the list for sure. 🙏🙏
@@retrotechdad thanks! I’ll be waiting
Thanks for reviewing this chipset! I was curious about Emulation and this pretty much answered all my questions. I was thinking about replacing my old laptop with these new Snapdragon ones because of battery life and performance. How is the standby time? I know Windows is notorious for sipping away battery if you don’t shut the pc down and just go sleep mode overnight.
Battery life has been really nice so far for me but I will be exploring battery performance in-depth in the coming days. I've honestly just been having fun exploring the gaming/emulation capabilities and seeing how the translation layer handles things.
These new ARM PCs are something else. You'll get maybe 1% or 2% battery drop overnight.
Daaaammnnn ❤ So cool. I hope MS save one Surface Pro for me 😎
Very informative video! What controller were you using that could fit onto both sides of the surface pro?
It's a RedMagic Shadowblade 2, which is a rebrand of the Gamesir G8 Galileo. It can be modded to accommodate large tablets! amzn.to/3KTrDHU
My friend, Shem over at RetroBreeze has a great video on the mod: th-cam.com/video/waIZBFvSmrk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OT2M6dWM6xKty7Jg
@@retrotechdad awesome! Thank you
curious about the joystick hardware. Even after visiting the amazon link, does it attach correctly to the side USB ports of the surface? Looking at my surface, I guess it could, just lined up a little higher?
is there possibility to run macos on these machines natively?
What are you using for the FPS overlay? I've tried RivaTuner and MSI Afterburner but my games keep crashing if I have them running. Closing them, and the games run fine.
That's weird, that's exactly what I'm using with HWInfo for additional metrics.
@@retrotechdad Thanks for confirming! At least I'm on the right track :) Turns out it depends on the game. Hades crashes within seconds every time if they're running (haven't tried Hades 2 yet). Other games seem to not care. Not a huge deal since I don't plan on doing much gaming on it. I just think it's a fun thing to play with.
@Grave79 Oh yea, it’s always fun to test! One of my favorite things to do with new hardware 🙏
This will be great when the power increases. Imagine if the xbox store is available on snapdragon mobiles. Its going to be great days for emulation when windows is fully playable.
It's not worth it right now. AMD 8840 or even the new AI 9 series outperform this chip by a mile and are cheaper.
Hey! Do you happen to have DayZ so you can try it out? It's the only game I want to play on PC so I would love to see how it performs on a Snapdragon X Elite!
So my ideal device is a tablet, or a 2-in-1 laptop with enough gaming chops to be a competent road-trip companion, but also, ya'know, provides the comforts and convenience of a tablet form factor.
X Elite is OK, but not quite what I was hoping for in terms of performance. Is it possible we'll see games that run via translation improve as devices with the chipset are out longer and there's more work done on them? Or is it more likely I'll be waiting for Strix Halo or Intel XE 2 to find their way (hopefully) into a Surface Pro or similar device in the future if I'm looking for better gaming performance and don't necessarily care if it's ARM architecture or not?
Yes, I do expect things to improve on that front. This is already a massive improvement over prior generations with the translation layer.
There are a few 2-in-1 options that might be interesting to you including the Minisforum V3 which has the 8840U in a similar large-screen tablet form. It's not quite as elegant as the Surface Pro but the 8840u will be much better suited for gaming.
There is also the OneXPlayer X1, which has the Core Ultra and will also be shipping shortly with the 8840U. I've covered the Core Ultra model specifically here: th-cam.com/video/r0JJiiKfwGY/w-d-xo.html
I will be covering their 8840u revision in the future.
Finally, Microsoft did release the Surface Pro 10 for Business, which almost no one knows about. This specific model is interesting because it ships with the Core Ultra 5 or 7 (135U or 165U): www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-pro-10
That glitchy doom eternal looks good 😂
Vulkan and PRISM are NOT a good mix. 😅
does emulation increases input lag?
i hope this processor comes to a top tablet like samsung or xiaomi
Bro thanks for the review, I like it if it's not difficult, test it on emulation of VeraCrypt, Undetectable, Dolphin Ant and Remote Desktop Manager (free).
Should I buy the book 4 ultra or book 4 edge for intense gaming and business?
The ultra will be better suited for gaming for sure 👍 🙏
This is awesome, though I could easily tell GTA 5 was not running natively, it's so skippy, prism at work! From what I can tell, the games aren't really playable imo. GOW, like... wow.. I'm sure the 1% lows are horrible. I dunno man, even GOW on PPSSPP looks skippy, not sure if it's your capture card but 60fps should look much smoother than that. 10:59
Well it has plenty of room to grow, looking forward to when it does! I think we're quite a ways away from getting these chips in handhelds.
Great review! I'm way more impressed by it's productivity. Could you test out Premiere and Lightroom? I'd more likely use these chips with everything else aside of gaming, for now.
I'm definitely gonna do more testing and comparisons as well!
No it's definitely the Translation Layer. The Phawx ran into the same issues.
Looking at the power drain rate and trying to guess at the tdp being used here...but what I'm seeing doesn't suggest drastically better battery life than the existing x86 handhelds. Windows on ARM doesn't really seem impressive to me.
can you try honkai star rail and genshin?
I play both games on my dell xps 13 2-in-1 which is an ultra thin, fanless 2-in-1 and I'm just wanna figure out what would be a good upgrade path for that niche style of laptop.
Yes, for sure! They are on my list already since I think many will be curious to see how and if it works with the compatibility layer.
Best video of the arm windows 11 x86 emulation, just as everyone suspected it's not good, why Microsoft can't get it right?
how about android emulation? Im considering this my next on the go device if android run decently enough as well.
Windows on Arm is very impressive and solid and the prism translation layer too. The gpu is weaker. Hope the next gen X will be focused on gpu perfo5.
The gains over the prior generation is definitely substantial. I can’t wait to see what’s next! 🔥
Setting fps caps on a fps test is a genius move
Not meant to be a FPS test, very clearly stated in the beginning of this video.
Is it good with city skylines 2?
Can you try eGPU.. try to install the x86 gpu drivers.. see whether it installs and works
No egpu drivers are available for these devices just yet
nvidia and amd might add drivers for arm soon tho and qualcomm said the snapdragon x elite would support dedicated GPUs so maybe we'll see a laptop with a dedicated gpu in the future
@@niveZz- In future, yes. In the next 2-3 months, no. Nvidia started developing GPUs for ARM PCs just recently. So I'd expect them to take some time to get everything working before releasing them.
Please check if Genshin, Honkai Star Rail and Wuthering Waves are runing on Snapdragon X Elite
Will do, I had those on my list of games to test! I'm curious if the anti-cheating methods will be an issue for those games.
Genshin runs on the x plus just did a video 👍
3:34 pretty sure people would think it running on 7-8 year old hardware
No Surface device from 7 or 8 years ago would be running GTA V. 😉
@@retrotechdad dunno coffelake did run GTA V undee 30 fps back then
Hell yea, I was one of them crazy enough to do it 😅🤣 I love my potato gaming.
@@retrotechdad th-cam.com/video/wTYCvqATkz0/w-d-xo.html
I csnt wait for thr prism to be refined even further snd for thr snapdragon chip to be refined furthet
I would notice it, the hitcing is wild. I hope GTA runs better IRL.
Need to see on Civilization 6
Nice choice! I'll add it to the list of games to test. 🙏
EGPU Test!
I tnk Ardeno X1 chips also supports Vulcan 1.3 with shader 6 .?.!
geforce now would be a good test on it, lets do it and see how it performs.
Would this run counter strike 2?
It’s come a long way, but it’s still got a long way to go.
It’s worrisome that Microsoft plans to use these Arm chips in the new Xbox, and how they now have a dedicated team for forwards compatibility (emulation).
I can’t see this ending well in the long run, even if they get the emulation perfect, will developers support the switch to Arm when gaming is still dominated by X86?
Xbox games shouldnt have any problems with arm, itll just be switch but 20x more powerful or something. But extra work for pc ports.
Considering the switch is the most successful console right now, and the switch 2 will get a TON of support, arm is currently dominating the gaming market
@@christianr.5868 yet many 3P developers that you find publishing on PC, PS & Xbox still choose to skip the switch, often some of the largest games currently, like COD, GTA, R6 etc.
Almost all the games he tested other than Fortnite aren’t available on switch either.
@@TheLazyGamers the only games out of the ones that he tested that isn’t on switch is god of war, because it’s a Sony game. And hades 2, which isn’t on any console yet but will likely also make it to the switch since the first ones on it. GTA V, I have no idea by it’s not on switch yet, but Doom eternal, stray, Ori and the blind forest and Tetris effect are all on switch. The thing that’s holding the switch back is its graphical capabilities, not its architecture. When the switch 2 comes out. Everyone is gonna try to get their games on that thing
Wow, that performance is much lower than I anticipated. That's less than half the performance of something like a steamdeck, perhaps even 1/4th.
There go my hopes of windows on ARM finally being competitive.
It's a baby, give it time before it can walk. Nothing is perfect from the get go. Exclude gaming and it's a great chip!
@@KyleRuggles compared to apple silicon launch, that isn’t really a reasonable stance, especially since this is based on hardware and software that is much longer standing. qualcomm has been making these chips much longer, MS has had their x86 translation layer much longer.
So this is a pretty poor start.
Time to do comparisons next!
@@retrotechdad comparisons with m3 mac and steamdeck would be interesting for sure.
@@KyleRuggles It's also fucking $1500+
Can you try the galaxy book 4 edge bc it has the best snapdragon x elite 84-100 , I want to check if it deserve
I would love to since I’m curious about the higher end SKU. It’s just not in the budget after purchasing the Surface Pro 11 😅🙏
@@retrotechdadI am planning in buy the 1tb ssd / 16 microsoft surface 7 laptop but does it have the same performance in emulators? And do you need to charge the laptop for performance difference? + can you do another video focusing in ps2 games such as ape escape 2 / god hand / urban reign / dragon ball budokai tenkaichi please?
Looks promising, and things are bound to improve. The sooner Windows is rid of Intel x86, the better.
For sure, this is a massive improvement over the prior gen Snapdragon Windows on ARM devices!
Online games ?
Wish they'd have made a chip with no npu and a bigger gpu. Oh well, maybe they'll have a version with an Nvidia gpu next year.
It would be interesting to see, I get why it's there but for my needs I'll never utilize the NPU.
I dont think qualcom would ever use nvidia, but mediatek had some plans.
Can you try warthunder please?
🙏 You just tempered my hype 😂 I ain't buying it, gta V runs even on a surface pro 3
Try using fex or box64 for cemu and rpcs3
Thank you for this, I will give this a try! 🙏
I want see it too, a arm soc running Wii U and PS3 emulatores😃
It's as...-optimized, how is it possible that it doesn't run a small Switch game well when low-mid-range cell phones can handle that?
It's not designed for the architecture. The emulator is running through a translation layer. The Snapdragon X Elite itself is more than capable of Switch emulation and hopefully we will see a native ARM emulator for the platform. Ryujinx for Mac (Apple Silicon) is a good example of that.
@@retrotechdad Thank you for clarifying my doubts, I hope that with the next big Windows update they will optimize the programs more. Speaking of Apple, it would be good if they took advantage of the existing apps for Android Arm just as Apple did with theirs on iPhone for the Mac M
I don’t thing the problem is the x elite I think the problem is the prism emulation layer some sort of software bottleneck
Absolutely 100%. Native ARM software will fly on it.
the gpu is kinda mid too tho
@@niveZz- the GPU is really not that bad. Should pretty much run every emulator if its optimized. Including Switch.
@@apfelschorle1988 yes but compared to similarly priced amd and intel integrated GPUs it's not that impressive
Dang, it’s even worse than Intel’s integrated graphics?
Now compare a good x86 pc to the arm x86 performance. Benchmarks
I'm wondering if anyone has tried dual booting something like this with Android. I've seen certain Android native devices setup to Dual boot windows on arm, but doing that on this would be amazing
I like the way you think! I'll have to look into this. 🙏
I would've at least expected steam deck performance, but they are far away from that
Just waiting for cheap arm windows devices to come
Yea, the cheapest right now is $999 for the Elite Plus.
@@retrotechdad will wait till it drops to $500
It will be a bit, Surface devices tend to hold their value quite well.
@@retrotechdad not the surface I meant to say about more devices will be released and then the price will become cheaper.
Much better than the paid crap ETAprime does. Almost something to note the top variant has a gpu thats 21% faster than this laptop, that should help
Thank you for that 🙏 I would've loved to check out the Samsung Galaxy Book4 Edge with the higher-end SKU of the SDX Elite.
Try emulating Windows on winlator on the Snapdragon X-Elite. 😂
Haha, great way to take my power grid down. 💥 🤯
Qualcomm really needs to start improving their GPUs. They had no reason to on mobile as Nvidia shifted Tegra to just AI crap and while Apple is a direct competitor in the mobile space, they're not an immediate competitor. And there really weren't any other threats on mobile, with not many games needing higher end GPUs on Android. Now though, they try to bring their anemic mobile GPUs to PC and they just can't actually touch AMD or even Intel on anything besides benchmarks (which don't matter).
Their gpus on mobile are bigger than apples. Beating apple in every benchmark in perf and efficiency, even rt. These games being bad could just be emulation problems.
I was having bigger hopes for X Elite but in all fairness, this thing has to go through so many translation layers. Lowkey, I wish that chip was shipped with a desktop AndroidOS solution. I'd jump on a Samsung DeX laptop using an X Elite but for Windows on ARM, I think this is too much to ask for too little performance in the trade.
$2,000 for an ARM chip.
Does NBA 2k24 work
What is the point of the video if you cap the fps and can’t see how it really performs ? This video is clueless 💀💀💀
The point of the video is to demonstrate the compatibility of Windows on ARM with x86 games. I made it clear that this is not an in-depth test of performance or benchmarking. There's a reason for the capping the fps so that the gameplay is stable.
You're more than welcome to make your own video since this one is clueless. 💀💀💀
Give me your laptop then 💅💀
😅🤣 Head on over! We can benchmark together 🙏
Its clear if you want to game you need to buy its direct competition, Apple M series laptop.
$2000 hmm …
Starts at $999 for the Surface Laptop.
not for gaming
Lots of things aren't for gaming, but it's still fun to test and try.
gaming performance similar to steam deck, it is fine.
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤❤
🔥🔥🔥
history comming back , grafik bugs and low fps like allways on microsoft surface devices , big pass !!
Handhelds that say LEG, laptops with ARM. Trading them in the marketplace will cost you an ARM and a LEG
Try winlator 😂
Basically in short, Windows ARM stills sucks.
I think part of the problem with Windows on ARM is while these advancements and improvements are welcome, what's the end goal here? Efficiency has improved on the x86 side and we don't need to deal with any translation layers/compatibility.
Of course, I still can't resist my curiosity and so testing continues! 🔥
@@retrotechdadI just want Linux to continue to grow as a gaming platform and Windows to become less bloated.
Gaming on arm sux, Windows on arm is awesome ! *
I'm still pretty impressed by what's happening here on the gaming side with the translation layer.
For a first iteration, qualcomm really nailed it !
ngl even the base m1 mac air is miles better than this....
We will have to wait for it to be Updated and Optimized.
When we compare this to M3 it beats it in many aspects, except for gaming which isn’t optimized.
Windows on arm is trash. I don't arm to be a monopoly so I'm glad it sucks.
I think there's a long road before that happens especially with massive gains on the x86 side with efficiency.
Arm can’t be a monopoly because other companies can make it. Nvidia can make arm computers. And it’s a matter of time before windows on arm gets good. But x86 isn’t going anywhere. It’s just more of options for different users
@@christianr.5868 Okay I mean I don't want arm to be the only processor in existence.
@@MobileDecay that’s not gonna happen, but out of curiosity, assuming it gets to the point where everything works great on arm, why not?
@@MobileDecayeven if it wanted to it can’t cause we talking like huge library of apps that need x86 instructions