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Preaaach!! We need the rest of them class legacies! The ones you made already are fantastic! Would love to see them - the whole list of classes! Finished and on loop in a playlist! Love these legacy vids keep up the good work mate.
@@LoneWolf-52I cannot agree more. Back in the day I was really looking forward to the Hunter and Druid ones due to all the RP stuff with them that got removed later down the line.
oh man the cesspool guilds. so excited for this legacy video, cough cough I may or may not have been the author of a drama time story about my friend who made a guild invite addon XD
It was my first zone that I leveled through Cata and it was the first underwater zone, that zone is really cool and underrated. Enjoyed leveling through it.
so much of my childhood was spent watching Totalbiscuit, Jesse Cox and the Yogscast's WoW Cataclysm videos. I never even played wow back then, I never had the money for a subscription but I still loved watching their videos on it.
Those class guides were actually the beginning of the "How to get gud" saga of my life and got my casual guild through Cata raids. Thank you for all the content over the years
Vashj’ir best zone by far. Killing Naga, swimming around in the seahorse, going inside the big sea creatures, and seeing the ?? Whales swimming out in the distance was amazing! I’ve never been to hyjal because why would I want to when vashj’ir exists.
Yea that zone was cool. Cata had some of the most fun zones in my opinion, probably my most played expansion. I think I just liked going back to the main continents versus some new continent with all the new zones piled together.
If you're not in a rush and take breaks between it's quite unique. Subnautica vibes, from the shallows into the dark depths, with something ancient sleeping at the bottom.
Most memorable for me was the nerf to healing from WotLK -> Cata. Gone was the volatile, spammy healing, in was the slow, mana-intensive healing. Which undoubtedly had an impact in Heroic Dungeons with pugs.
People either love or hate the change. Personally I liked it, healing became a dynamic resource management and encouraged communication. During wrath the healers rarely said a single thing - they just spammed heals non-stop.
Healers were the only ones I remember struggling with the new heroics. So in some sense the difficulty was a bit overblown. I did see a fair number of them quit though.
From my recollection, healing was basically the major reason heroics were difficult. You could hold threat and had the damage, but your healer was struggling with mana or timing/throughput. It seemed be the limiting factor. I ran as a war tank in cata with a priest main I've known and played with since vanilla and who I thought was pretty good, and I just felt bad for him. You could hear his frustration with just running out of mana sometimes, or just barely not being able to keep me or others up in some fights. He enjoyed the challenge and generally making healing more complicated, but it seemed just poorly tuned or unfair many times in the way where you'd just have to say 'what was I supposed to do better there? when you were giving it all you had. The one-shot mechanics were there as well and people generally were not well practiced at 'dont stand in the colorful circle' after wrath, but that seemed like it would resolve on its own once players knew what was coming.
@@samwise1790 Another big issue was tanks coming from WOTLK were used to just stacking HP since in ICC with Chill of the Throne mitigation was an afterthought and you just wanted the health to withstand any individual hit since healers were spamming. With Cataclysm, warrior and paladins especially really needed to stack mastery to up their block and get as much combat table coverage as possible. That's why one of the best early tanking trinkets was the Impetuous Query dungeon drop (blue item, on use boatload of mastery, 1 min cd) which would smooth out the damage spikes and allow healers to use their slower, less mana-intensive heals vs. their fast mana-intensive heals they had gotten used to spamming in the "wtf is mana" era of wotlk.
@@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302 ah yeah thanks for reminding me. I MT'd as a DK in wrath up to the lich king and now youre bringing back memories of changing gear priority to mitigation/mastery, and farming for probably that trinket, though I cant for the life of me remember the name of any single item starting from cata, which was my last real try at any retail wow version.
Same, and I can’t wait to relive those glory days. Sadly so my friends that I used to play with do not play anymore. Oh well Time to make new memories.
Early Cataclysm was, for me, peak WoW gameplay. The zones were awesome, the dungeons were well designed, classes played amazing. Most important of all Tier 11 and Firelands were some of my most enjoyable time raiding heroic 25 man. Bugs in T11 didn't really affect a more casual guild, and the difficulty of Firelands was spot on. It's a shame it all ended on the fat stinker that was Dragonsoul patch.
such a blast of nostalgia, i first got into wow at the start of cata, watching mikes videos, as a 15 year old. Now a 30 year old getting ready for Cata classic and mike's still at it. Crazy stuff
Great energy Mike on this Legacy video! Thats a healthy form bro! Absolutely love the video, all your Legacy episodes are pure delight. And the last bit of music section. 10 out of 10, always 👌
This is hands down the best video you have ever release. It was a complete joy to watch ^^ keep up the amazing work man. looking forward to the next one
As someone who realisticly started really playing in Cata i have a lot of nice memories from the xpac. Firelands was for sure my favorite since i started to raid in a more serious manner at that time, really appreciate theese vids mike!
For me the biggest legacy of the Cataclysm was that the first instances of being an alliance raider was starting to flounder. I remember having issues with our roster as more slowly saw the horde outcome. By Wod even I had left but it started here in Cataclysm where the factions really started to tilt. Make no mistake I remember Cata very fondly it was also my first one outside of a private server when I finally had my own PC. I loved it, the world bosses were also a forgotten thing but my guild at that time actually organised for it keeping an eye out. I think when I look back nostalgia goggles do take over the people I knew but thats just how it goes. Cata wasn't all bad it had its highs and lows, but for me the highs really did out number the low. Also do you remember the solo firelands shaman trash farm? I sure do and what it did to the AH. LOL thanks peach for the trip down memory lane. Pandaria next I hope?
Just want to say I appreciate the Vashj'ir respect. I LOVED that zone. My absolute favourite in the game, by far, I always loved every second I spent there.
Enjoying going back through your Cata guides with dungeon playthrough etc. My favourite time in wow and my favourite series of videos, which are happily now relevant for many of us once again.
I think what he means is there are people that have graphic cards with low vram or more than enough vram (especially when it matters) (And i am not even talking about a processor with cache or without cache memory) Things like that make a lot of difference in some very specific like cata leveling zones and some very specific raid bosses (you guys know what I mean)
I loved Vashj'ir, it was the first zone I did when Cata came out. It was so original, I've never seen an underwater zone like this in any game before, it gave that proper ocean vibe of being so deep and spacious, the music was great.
Cataclysm was a great demonstration of what happens when the devs try to force people to play the game the way THEY think it should be played, instead of how people enjoy playing the game. Edit: You're 100% right about transmog saving the game. One of the things that would make me want to log out right after getting into the game was looking at my character wearing a patchwork quilt most of the time. Back when I was really into WoW I would deliberately wear slightly worse gear if it looked better than the replacement.
I'm currently playing cata classic. In a 25m heroic raiding guild, and I can honestly say that I'm having a blast with it. I think cataclysm always had a great expansion as a foundation. Which was botched originally. But the classic rerelease I'd say has been successful. A few minor bugs here and there, but most have been fixed by now. The dungeons were handled well I think. Post nerf dungeons, but even post nerf dungeons are still wipeable if mistakes are made. And we went into those dungeons with a different context/mindset. We had wrath classic with the heroic titan rune dungeons that were incredibly fun and could be difficult too. So most are used to communicating from that. Though I'd argue that the ease of wrath heroics comes a lot from doing those wrath heroics in ICC gear. People outgearing the heroics massively before cata during the ICC content drought. So I think those of us playing cata classic now are experiencing it the way it was intended. Those who left wrath classic after cata classic was announced don't know what they're missing. I assume a lot of 'em left because of cata's reputation (subs went down, therefore cata = bad) rather than for what cata actually is.
Been watching you since you taught me how to tank for my first time through HoTs in Cata! So amazing to see how far you've come. Your content is incredible.
lmfaooo that’s a good one. another one that stayed with me also from Cata is from Archbishop Benedictus, “there is no good. no evil. no light. there is only POWER” but he pronounces it like POWA 😂
That was a fun walk down memory lane, I was Hardcore raiding back then, but I was never privy to the hows and whys of things that were happening. Thanks for filling in the blanks!
The real issue was changing the old areas from everyone I knew who played at the time. I’ve hated Cata from the beginning and the fact blizzard once again spit in my mouth by taking Litchking away again is disgusting. Even thought it was Bot central station because WoW token.
Amazing video, as always Preach. Ya boy is still holding out for Legacy of the Hunter and Death Knight videos. Keep the killer uploads coming dude! ❤️🙏🏻
Wow, this comes full circle for me. Growing up we never had the resources for me to play outside the trails, finally late in Cataclysm a friend gave me their account and I leveled my warrior. I was a complete noob and I remember finding your channel and warrior guide and have been here since, even after the understandable WoW content drought. Your guide massively improved my gameplay at the time and I remember finally being comfortable as we moved into Pandaria
Mate, been watching your wow content for ages and it’s so nice to see you coming back in to wow! You’re an absolute legend and it’s nice to hear another Brit talking about how great wow is but also the problems it’s had that doesn’t get brought up in game a lot. Keep it up brodda
"Broken for two months" That's actually pretty good, imagine if all of BFA dungeons that brand new players were running were broken for over 3 years. Oh wait...
Dude you have no idea how big part of my childhood preach's class guides were during original Cata. And seeing everything now come full circle like 10-15 years later is MINDBLOWING. Little Easter Egg: Stamina gemina (ifyky)
One thing to remember about the Cata population decline was the launch of SWTOR at that time. It may be a joke now, but tons of WoW people were trying that out, especially with the early raids being tough.
Oh the Nostalgia. I joined WOW during Cata and Fireland was my First Raid I ever did properly with a guild and we killed all but Raggy on (then) Heroic.
Cataclysm has a special place in my heart because it's the one I started playing. I still remember in 2011 my friend inviting me to play and we both created orc warriors. Going through the valley of trials, I opened the map, zoomed out to Durotar, to Kalimdor, and finally to the world map thinking "I will die one day and I will never had explored all this world". I was so naive back then 😅but the first time you play you never forget, it's a mystical experience.
Cataclysm will always have a special place in my heart. I started in Cataclysm,I also descover your guides that make me from a garbage to a decent player,and the lesons learned back then are still viable today.
oooo yes I remember those mega guilds that would just nonstop spam invite people. Good times! Also, Preach's videos stir up the nostalgia so much. I remember being in my early 20s playing wow all day watching preach videos. Love that he still makes these great vids
Nostalgia has different effects on many based on their experience. WOTLK was my favorite time in WoW as I was part of a top 10 raiding guild on our server. Life was great then. 😎 In Cata, the extra grinds just to get raid ready and early raids just destroying our previously top 10 raid guild. We fell apart in Cata and the guild disbanded in Cata. Cata for me is the lowest point in WoW’s history…. It destroyed my guild and my hardcore raiding experience. From that point on, I only stayed a casual player until I finally quit the game for good. I hope those who are excited for Cata Classic have a better experience. 🙇♂️
Vasjir is probably one of the best zones Blizzard ever made. It was full of lore, it explored a part of Azeroth that we never got to see previously, it had a great story, I am really sad they didn't finish the Neptulon raid during the expansion (most likely due to negative backlash, something I don't understand even to this day). As for dungeons, early Cataclysm, precisely because of the difficulty, was the best dungeon experience I ever had in WoW, rivaled only by mythic seasons in Legion and partially in BfA (simply because I found all dungeons there to be amazing). The revamped SFK had such crazy mechanics, which were maybe a bit overtuned and were very unforgiving if you messed something up, but they were still doable, even in relatively crappy gear, as long as people paid attention. Halls of Origination is still one of my favourite dungeons to this day because of its sheer epicness and I'm so god damn sad people are usually skipping 3-4 bosses in that dungeon. Not just because I hate skipping bosses but because I like Egyptian mythology and think Setesh, Ammunae and Isiset have great and interesting mechanics. I also have to mention the two revanmped Zul instances, maybe they aren't on the level of previous raids, but are still very interesting and well done IMHO. I really like the fact you still get an extra mount in Zul'Aman provided that you do the mechanic properly. The last three added dungeons, well, who can hate the Well of Eternity? I was never a HC raiding person, so I kinda welcomed the addition of LFR. It was an interesting time, even with the content drought at the end. But it allowed me to level *all* classes to max level, I really wanted to play and I enjoyed everything I played at the time. It was the first time I tried healers and was maining a resto shammy for a while. Holy priest and holy paladin were similar but different at the same time. DPS was great with survival hunter and frost dk being my favourites. All in all, I cannot hate Cataclysm. It was my first full expansion (as I started in late WotLK, patch 3.3 has just started) and the experience I had was excellent. I had fun. That's all that mattered.
I was a main healer in Wrath, and I vividly remember how *fucked* I felt with the revamp of healing spells in Cataclysm. And gosh damn the difficulty spike of dungeons, and raids. I really liked the Dungeon difficulty, even if I cursed at the raid xD Aaaah. The memories!
WOTLK dungeons were being plowed through because Dungeon Finder was introduced at the last patch of the expansion and people were in full ICC gear. Cata dungeons were puposefully released overtuned so they would be "hard" aka annoying garbage you had to slog through. The adds that spawned on Ripsnarl in Deadmines had way too much health and could barely be dpsed down to the point where you had to LOS in the ships cabin to aoe them
What a nostalgic trip through WoW’s first divisive expansion! As someone who mainly pugged content back in those days, it really cannot be understated just how much of a profound impact Cata had when it came to how dungeons were designed and their place in the overall endgame. The backlash Blizzard received over the difficulty basically scared them out of making challenging 5-man content for the two expansions that followed. It wasn’t until the very last patch of WoD that mythic difficulty was introduced, and not until Legion did dungeons finally found their footing as a viable progression endgame. To me, the legacy of Cata is one filled with big missteps and harsh lessons for Blizzard and the player base alike. For those hard lessons learned, I am thankful for Cata and will always remember it fondly.
The dungeons being harder was only kind of a problem because LFG tool was a thing in Cata. If you had a group of steady group people to group with the Dungeons were pretty much as hard as the BC heroic dungeons. They also completely redesigned a lot of how the game played for a lot of classes.
Wrath - Cata - MoP is the golden age of WoW. that sweet spot between old and new, just enough of what was good about the old design but updated enough. that once in a blue moon convergence that will never come again.
Cata and MoP were way too different from wrath i think people just liked this period because you could get decent hardware and internet for cheap while in 2005 nobody could even run the game on their high end gaming pc from 2000 or midrange pc from 2003
As someone who started actually playing retail during Cata, I had the best GM I ever had in my life that sat down one day with me and explained flasks, gems, reforging, everything, so that I could join their raid group. Sadly he passed away a couple years ago but you will never be forgoten Zafkiel. Knowing that people were just invited for their gold generation for a guild is really sad.
I started in Cata. Tauren Paladin called Holybeef. I watched only 3 channels. Preach, Totalbiscuit and OMFGCata. The community and the gameplay made me love WoW forever. Keep it up :)
Man, I think this is another case of Blizzard learning the wrong lessons from things. I was a hardcore WoW player up until Cataclysm. And I was not deterred by the increased difficulty. There are a lot of reasons I stopped playing in cataclysm. But the top ones for me are: 1. The goblin zones and their cars just didn't work for me. It felt like a bridge too far with the cars and paved roads (albeit seussian in their construction). 2. Leveling was not fun anymore. I am an alt-a-holic. It felt like the questing in leveling had had all teeth removed. Players DO like a challenge. I was trying to introduce a friend to the game at the time and she was just falling asleep bored as we were leveling. So then we tried LFD. 3. LFD had somehow become worse. In WotLk LFD had already somewhat trivialized dungeons but leveling in Cata, LFD had started that slide into "no chatting whatsoever just W key and go to the next boss" that is now the norm. It was awful. These were not dungeons. They were loot pinatas. 4. Transmog was just the last straw. The thing I remember saying to guildies and in game friends as to why I was quitting was something along the lines of: "This used to be an adventure that a Dungeon Master had set out for me and the friends I would make along the way. Now it just feels like a theme park where I get on the ride with strangers, am told I should be excited by the ride, then I get off again." If the end game dungeons really are challenging it might be worth trying cata classic if they have it at that level at launch.
Cataclysm was the first time I drifted away from WoW. It may have even been the first time I unsubscribed from the game since I started playing in the final months of "vanilla." I have plenty of memories from playing Cataclysm 12-13 years ago (and hundreds of saved screenshots / video clips), but I don't remember the expansion that fondly.
I remember coming into the game in Cataclysm around Firelands. I can't help but love it because of that even despite it's flaws. I remember being hooked on TB's wipeathon videos and all the guides including yours. I think the difficulty (or idea of it by the time I came in) is the reason I'm as die hard for challenging content in the game now.
I remember really liking the upped difficulty in dungeons because I played only with guildies and it was nice to have to utilize some cc and stuff to get through them.
Guild perks, rewards & achievements were such a good idea. It's such a shame how it went. I remember when they first came out, everyone in the guild started working towards things. The guild members that didn't raid could work towards things for the guild, everyone could do something & feel that little bit extra involved in the guild. I never knew why it went away. Now I do. Sad.
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Preaaach!! We need the rest of them class legacies! The ones you made already are fantastic! Would love to see them - the whole list of classes! Finished and on loop in a playlist! Love these legacy vids keep up the good work mate.
31:51 Small Goof there lol. That's the DF version of the dungeon not the Cata one :)
@@LoneWolf-52I cannot agree more. Back in the day I was really looking forward to the Hunter and Druid ones due to all the RP stuff with them that got removed later down the line.
Great vid Preach! Can't wait for the legacies of MoP, WoD, and Legion (my 3 expacs since I'm a MoP baby and I quit during BfA...)
oh man the cesspool guilds. so excited for this legacy video, cough cough I may or may not have been the author of a drama time story about my friend who made a guild invite addon XD
I was there Gandalf... I was there 3000 years ago, when Preach released the Legacy of WotLK...
...jesus christ it's been SEVEN YEARS since Legacy of WOTLK? Holy hell.
Has anyone else been waiting patiently for that “Legacy of Death Knight” mentioned as upcoming during the WoTLK legacy vid?
@@adamorth5335 Still waiting ;D
we're getting old
@@adamorth5335 well just watch Hiru's video on Death Knights, covers it really well.
Another person who loves vashjir my man. This zone is absurdly packed with awesome lore and cool visuals and is absurdly underrated
absurdly bad and boring
For me in the music. Holy carp, the music.
It was my first zone that I leveled through Cata and it was the first underwater zone, that zone is really cool and underrated. Enjoyed leveling through it.
I'm hoping when Cara classic releases people will avoid it because of its reputation even if I enjoyed it and can level in peace.
Visually great but pretty awful to play in with how depth perspective gets fucked when not on the sea floor.
I really appreciate you using old TotalBiscuit footage, preach
may he rest in peace
Seeing that footage from Totalbiscuit is omega nostalgic
RIP John
Based
I miss him so much
At what timestamp did he mention TB?
@@Blackleafdragon TB wasn't verbally mentioned, his footage was used at around 3:45
so much of my childhood was spent watching Totalbiscuit, Jesse Cox and the Yogscast's WoW Cataclysm videos. I never even played wow back then, I never had the money for a subscription but I still loved watching their videos on it.
I just noticed this but preach you look terrific mate
The joke when he said "at least back then I had hair" and showed his head really made me chuckle. My hairline is feeling it too
Those class guides were actually the beginning of the "How to get gud" saga of my life and got my casual guild through Cata raids. Thank you for all the content over the years
Vashj’ir best zone by far. Killing Naga, swimming around in the seahorse, going inside the big sea creatures, and seeing the ?? Whales swimming out in the distance was amazing! I’ve never been to hyjal because why would I want to when vashj’ir exists.
my sentiments exactly
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
Yea that zone was cool. Cata had some of the most fun zones in my opinion, probably my most played expansion. I think I just liked going back to the main continents versus some new continent with all the new zones piled together.
I don't like Vashj'ir because the questline is just too damn long. It feels like you've gone through 3 or 4 zones by the end of it.
If you're not in a rush and take breaks between it's quite unique. Subnautica vibes, from the shallows into the dark depths, with something ancient sleeping at the bottom.
The discribtion of deathwing fight cracked me up "fighting fingernails with some weird dragonhead going OOOOooooOOoooOoOoOOo doing nothing" hahahaha
I always called the fight "Deathwing's Spa Day" where we give him a manicure and a shave while he chills in his big hot tub xD
Sounds like Donkey Kong 64 lmao
Most memorable for me was the nerf to healing from WotLK -> Cata. Gone was the volatile, spammy healing, in was the slow, mana-intensive healing. Which undoubtedly had an impact in Heroic Dungeons with pugs.
People either love or hate the change. Personally I liked it, healing became a dynamic resource management and encouraged communication. During wrath the healers rarely said a single thing - they just spammed heals non-stop.
Healers were the only ones I remember struggling with the new heroics. So in some sense the difficulty was a bit overblown. I did see a fair number of them quit though.
From my recollection, healing was basically the major reason heroics were difficult. You could hold threat and had the damage, but your healer was struggling with mana or timing/throughput. It seemed be the limiting factor.
I ran as a war tank in cata with a priest main I've known and played with since vanilla and who I thought was pretty good, and I just felt bad for him. You could hear his frustration with just running out of mana sometimes, or just barely not being able to keep me or others up in some fights. He enjoyed the challenge and generally making healing more complicated, but it seemed just poorly tuned or unfair many times in the way where you'd just have to say 'what was I supposed to do better there? when you were giving it all you had.
The one-shot mechanics were there as well and people generally were not well practiced at 'dont stand in the colorful circle' after wrath, but that seemed like it would resolve on its own once players knew what was coming.
@@samwise1790 Another big issue was tanks coming from WOTLK were used to just stacking HP since in ICC with Chill of the Throne mitigation was an afterthought and you just wanted the health to withstand any individual hit since healers were spamming.
With Cataclysm, warrior and paladins especially really needed to stack mastery to up their block and get as much combat table coverage as possible. That's why one of the best early tanking trinkets was the Impetuous Query dungeon drop (blue item, on use boatload of mastery, 1 min cd) which would smooth out the damage spikes and allow healers to use their slower, less mana-intensive heals vs. their fast mana-intensive heals they had gotten used to spamming in the "wtf is mana" era of wotlk.
@@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302 ah yeah thanks for reminding me. I MT'd as a DK in wrath up to the lich king and now youre bringing back memories of changing gear priority to mitigation/mastery, and farming for probably that trinket, though I cant for the life of me remember the name of any single item starting from cata, which was my last real try at any retail wow version.
I joined the game with Cata, will always love it for that
Cata was when I joined too and haven't left, really. I do adore Cata; enough I will play just to see if my memories are the same or not, LOL
i am angry that i didn't play much before cata i played for like one week in 2008 and even i got disappointed when i started again in cata
Same, and I can’t wait to relive those glory days. Sadly so my friends that I used to play with do not play anymore. Oh well Time to make new memories.
Preach's Cata assasination rogue guide is how I found this channal all those years ago. Thank you Mike.
Now this is the Legacy I’ve been looking forward to!
Early Cataclysm was, for me, peak WoW gameplay. The zones were awesome, the dungeons were well designed, classes played amazing. Most important of all Tier 11 and Firelands were some of my most enjoyable time raiding heroic 25 man. Bugs in T11 didn't really affect a more casual guild, and the difficulty of Firelands was spot on. It's a shame it all ended on the fat stinker that was Dragonsoul patch.
wrong.
@@alexking1491 right.
such a blast of nostalgia, i first got into wow at the start of cata, watching mikes videos, as a 15 year old. Now a 30 year old getting ready for Cata classic and mike's still at it. Crazy stuff
So glad to see a legacy video again - Welcome back Preach!
Great energy Mike on this Legacy video! Thats a healthy form bro!
Absolutely love the video, all your Legacy episodes are pure delight.
And the last bit of music section. 10 out of 10, always 👌
I really want to know what the music is
This is hands down the best video you have ever release. It was a complete joy to watch ^^ keep up the amazing work man. looking forward to the next one
Nice to have Ghosty back on the couch with you for this cata vid!
my favorite thing about Vash'jr was leveling a druid during WoD and getting up to about 500% movement speed in aquatic form with the glyph for it
I always loved Vash'Jir. Hyped to experience it once more as current content
As someone who realisticly started really playing in Cata i have a lot of nice memories from the xpac. Firelands was for sure my favorite since i started to raid in a more serious manner at that time, really appreciate theese vids mike!
For me the biggest legacy of the Cataclysm was that the first instances of being an alliance raider was starting to flounder. I remember having issues with our roster as more slowly saw the horde outcome. By Wod even I had left but it started here in Cataclysm where the factions really started to tilt. Make no mistake I remember Cata very fondly it was also my first one outside of a private server when I finally had my own PC. I loved it, the world bosses were also a forgotten thing but my guild at that time actually organised for it keeping an eye out. I think when I look back nostalgia goggles do take over the people I knew but thats just how it goes. Cata wasn't all bad it had its highs and lows, but for me the highs really did out number the low. Also do you remember the solo firelands shaman trash farm? I sure do and what it did to the AH. LOL thanks peach for the trip down memory lane. Pandaria next I hope?
the mad lads finally did it!
fantastic video, Cata sure was an experience
Just want to say I appreciate the Vashj'ir respect. I LOVED that zone. My absolute favourite in the game, by far, I always loved every second I spent there.
Enjoying going back through your Cata guides with dungeon playthrough etc. My favourite time in wow and my favourite series of videos, which are happily now relevant for many of us once again.
There are two kinds of people, those who get motion sickness and those who don't. Apparently most of WoWs players are in the former category.
I don't even understand why motion sickness would be a thing. Honestly. I mean in wow? Have you ever tried VR?
"you think thats hot? ever been in (insert hot place here)?" eneregy xD
old folks
I think what he means is there are people that have graphic cards with low vram or more than enough vram (especially when it matters)
(And i am not even talking about a processor with cache or without cache memory) Things like that make a lot of difference in some very specific like cata leveling zones and some very specific raid bosses (you guys know what I mean)
I know people who get motion sickness from all 3D first/third person games in general, especially fast paced ones.
I loved Vashj'ir, it was the first zone I did when Cata came out. It was so original, I've never seen an underwater zone like this in any game before, it gave that proper ocean vibe of being so deep and spacious, the music was great.
Cataclysm was a great demonstration of what happens when the devs try to force people to play the game the way THEY think it should be played, instead of how people enjoy playing the game.
Edit: You're 100% right about transmog saving the game. One of the things that would make me want to log out right after getting into the game was looking at my character wearing a patchwork quilt most of the time. Back when I was really into WoW I would deliberately wear slightly worse gear if it looked better than the replacement.
I LOVED how hard the heroic dungeons were at launch. I was so mad when I stopped seeing people getting 1 shot by mechanics
I absolutely LOVED the vash'jir leveling zone and hated the hyjal leveling zone
I completely forgot the whole guild leveling system.
I'm currently playing cata classic. In a 25m heroic raiding guild, and I can honestly say that I'm having a blast with it.
I think cataclysm always had a great expansion as a foundation. Which was botched originally. But the classic rerelease I'd say has been successful. A few minor bugs here and there, but most have been fixed by now.
The dungeons were handled well I think. Post nerf dungeons, but even post nerf dungeons are still wipeable if mistakes are made. And we went into those dungeons with a different context/mindset. We had wrath classic with the heroic titan rune dungeons that were incredibly fun and could be difficult too. So most are used to communicating from that. Though I'd argue that the ease of wrath heroics comes a lot from doing those wrath heroics in ICC gear. People outgearing the heroics massively before cata during the ICC content drought.
So I think those of us playing cata classic now are experiencing it the way it was intended. Those who left wrath classic after cata classic was announced don't know what they're missing. I assume a lot of 'em left because of cata's reputation (subs went down, therefore cata = bad) rather than for what cata actually is.
Looking good and healthy Preach!! Been watching your vids for as long as I can remember. Keep up the great content!
That outro was sick af.
Vash was a good fuckin' zone.
It was so good that i played it until i can't the thought of leveling through it again.
Your legacy videos have always meant a lot to me! Thanks bro!
Man I loved the difficulty on Cata dungeons. No more brainless grind, CC was mandatory, healers went OOM, etc great times.
Been watching you since you taught me how to tank for my first time through HoTs in Cata! So amazing to see how far you've come. Your content is incredible.
"BREAK YOURSELVES UPON MY BODY!" is what i type in all chat in LoL when i get fed on rammus. such a classic line
lmfaooo that’s a good one. another one that stayed with me also from Cata is from Archbishop Benedictus, “there is no good. no evil. no light. there is only POWER” but he pronounces it like POWA 😂
That was a fun walk down memory lane, I was Hardcore raiding back then, but I was never privy to the hows and whys of things that were happening. Thanks for filling in the blanks!
You missed the best thing about Cata - FLYING almost everywhere.
It's almost time for a legacy of the legacy videos
Best thing about Cataclysm? Needing a guide for my shadow priest, and finding this channel.
The real issue was changing the old areas from everyone I knew who played at the time. I’ve hated Cata from the beginning and the fact blizzard once again spit in my mouth by taking Litchking away again is disgusting. Even thought it was Bot central station because WoW token.
What a great video preach. Crazy nastolgic seeing your vid again. Cheers.
As time went on, I found myself looking back at Cata more fondly than any other expansion. I'm very excited to relive this part of the game.
Doing these videos in tandem with the release of multiple classics would be cool. A WoW historian
Amazing video, as always Preach. Ya boy is still holding out for Legacy of the Hunter and Death Knight videos.
Keep the killer uploads coming dude! ❤️🙏🏻
At long last. I had feared i would never see a new Preach legacy of wow video ever again :')
I had been playing since Burning Crusade, but this was the first expansion where I started raiding with my guild. Agility Bear Tank. 👍
Vashj'ir is a top 5 zone. Absolutely gorgeous zone.
Wow, this comes full circle for me. Growing up we never had the resources for me to play outside the trails, finally late in Cataclysm a friend gave me their account and I leveled my warrior. I was a complete noob and I remember finding your channel and warrior guide and have been here since, even after the understandable WoW content drought. Your guide massively improved my gameplay at the time and I remember finally being comfortable as we moved into Pandaria
Mate, been watching your wow content for ages and it’s so nice to see you coming back in to wow! You’re an absolute legend and it’s nice to hear another Brit talking about how great wow is but also the problems it’s had that doesn’t get brought up in game a lot. Keep it up brodda
"Broken for two months" That's actually pretty good, imagine if all of BFA dungeons that brand new players were running were broken for over 3 years. Oh wait...
Dude you have no idea how big part of my childhood preach's class guides were during original Cata. And seeing everything now come full circle like 10-15 years later is MINDBLOWING.
Little Easter Egg: Stamina gemina (ifyky)
One thing to remember about the Cata population decline was the launch of SWTOR at that time. It may be a joke now, but tons of WoW people were trying that out, especially with the early raids being tough.
I loved Vashjir, such a unique zone.
Oh the Nostalgia. I joined WOW during Cata and Fireland was my First Raid I ever did properly with a guild and we killed all but Raggy on (then) Heroic.
Cataclysm has a special place in my heart because it's the one I started playing. I still remember in 2011 my friend inviting me to play and we both created orc warriors. Going through the valley of trials, I opened the map, zoomed out to Durotar, to Kalimdor, and finally to the world map thinking "I will die one day and I will never had explored all this world". I was so naive back then 😅but the first time you play you never forget, it's a mystical experience.
I don't care what anyone else says, Vashj'ir was awesome.
I appreciate the legacy video making a return. Hopefully it continues!!
I LOVE the underwater zone
Cataclysm will always have a special place in my heart.
I started in Cataclysm,I also descover your guides that make me from a garbage to a decent player,and the lesons learned back then are still viable today.
oooo yes I remember those mega guilds that would just nonstop spam invite people. Good times! Also, Preach's videos stir up the nostalgia so much. I remember being in my early 20s playing wow all day watching preach videos. Love that he still makes these great vids
I remember this was the Xpac Preacho sat at a target dummy for days and finally got his RANK 1. Neva forget. Good Memories comin back.
Great effort getting this out before Cata Classic launch, good vibes for cata eve! thank you preach
Nostalgia has different effects on many based on their experience. WOTLK was my favorite time in WoW as I was part of a top 10 raiding guild on our server. Life was great then. 😎
In Cata, the extra grinds just to get raid ready and early raids just destroying our previously top 10 raid guild. We fell apart in Cata and the guild disbanded in Cata.
Cata for me is the lowest point in WoW’s history…. It destroyed my guild and my hardcore raiding experience. From that point on, I only stayed a casual player until I finally quit the game for good.
I hope those who are excited for Cata Classic have a better experience. 🙇♂️
Vasjir is probably one of the best zones Blizzard ever made. It was full of lore, it explored a part of Azeroth that we never got to see previously, it had a great story, I am really sad they didn't finish the Neptulon raid during the expansion (most likely due to negative backlash, something I don't understand even to this day). As for dungeons, early Cataclysm, precisely because of the difficulty, was the best dungeon experience I ever had in WoW, rivaled only by mythic seasons in Legion and partially in BfA (simply because I found all dungeons there to be amazing). The revamped SFK had such crazy mechanics, which were maybe a bit overtuned and were very unforgiving if you messed something up, but they were still doable, even in relatively crappy gear, as long as people paid attention. Halls of Origination is still one of my favourite dungeons to this day because of its sheer epicness and I'm so god damn sad people are usually skipping 3-4 bosses in that dungeon. Not just because I hate skipping bosses but because I like Egyptian mythology and think Setesh, Ammunae and Isiset have great and interesting mechanics. I also have to mention the two revanmped Zul instances, maybe they aren't on the level of previous raids, but are still very interesting and well done IMHO. I really like the fact you still get an extra mount in Zul'Aman provided that you do the mechanic properly. The last three added dungeons, well, who can hate the Well of Eternity? I was never a HC raiding person, so I kinda welcomed the addition of LFR. It was an interesting time, even with the content drought at the end. But it allowed me to level *all* classes to max level, I really wanted to play and I enjoyed everything I played at the time. It was the first time I tried healers and was maining a resto shammy for a while. Holy priest and holy paladin were similar but different at the same time. DPS was great with survival hunter and frost dk being my favourites. All in all, I cannot hate Cataclysm. It was my first full expansion (as I started in late WotLK, patch 3.3 has just started) and the experience I had was excellent. I had fun. That's all that mattered.
I was a main healer in Wrath, and I vividly remember how *fucked* I felt with the revamp of healing spells in Cataclysm.
And gosh damn the difficulty spike of dungeons, and raids. I really liked the Dungeon difficulty, even if I cursed at the raid xD
Aaaah. The memories!
wrong.
@@alexking1491 Bold-ass claim to say my feelings and memories of a period of time is wrong.
Getting Tarecgosa's Rest when it was current is my second finest achievement in WoW and I will never forget my time in the Firelands.
Whenever i do raid runs for tmog, cataclysm ones are my favorite
Cataclysm is so good. It is so funny to see all the people in the dungeons and raids now even tho they are not in their original state
I appreciate you, Preach. Putting out content while personal life is in absolute shambles. Best of luck to you my friend.
Landlord here, plz leave
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This was how I felt when Classic 2019 came out. Get that shit out of here.
I don't know whether to upvote or downvote LOL
Lmfao I knew this was going to happen
I loved Vashj'ir even back then. I never understood the hate it got.
WOTLK dungeons were being plowed through because Dungeon Finder was introduced at the last patch of the expansion and people were in full ICC gear.
Cata dungeons were puposefully released overtuned so they would be "hard" aka annoying garbage you had to slog through. The adds that spawned on Ripsnarl in Deadmines had way too much health and could barely be dpsed down to the point where you had to LOS in the ships cabin to aoe them
I stopped playing WoW during Cata. Love the videos, so nostalgic, so much stuff I have already forgot and suddenly remembered watching this.
What a nostalgic trip through WoW’s first divisive expansion! As someone who mainly pugged content back in those days, it really cannot be understated just how much of a profound impact Cata had when it came to how dungeons were designed and their place in the overall endgame. The backlash Blizzard received over the difficulty basically scared them out of making challenging 5-man content for the two expansions that followed. It wasn’t until the very last patch of WoD that mythic difficulty was introduced, and not until Legion did dungeons finally found their footing as a viable progression endgame. To me, the legacy of Cata is one filled with big missteps and harsh lessons for Blizzard and the player base alike. For those hard lessons learned, I am thankful for Cata and will always remember it fondly.
Swimming out of the cave bases into Shimmering Expanse never gets old.
Cataclysm, the rise of wow on youtube, with totalbiscuit, jesse cox, preach. Those were the days.
The dungeons being harder was only kind of a problem because LFG tool was a thing in Cata. If you had a group of steady group people to group with the Dungeons were pretty much as hard as the BC heroic dungeons. They also completely redesigned a lot of how the game played for a lot of classes.
As if today couldn't be any better, we get a new Preach legacy video.
Wrath - Cata - MoP is the golden age of WoW. that sweet spot between old and new, just enough of what was good about the old design but updated enough. that once in a blue moon convergence that will never come again.
real
opposite of true. real classic or its not an MMO anymore
@@alexking1491 wrong.
Cata and MoP were way too different from wrath i think people just liked this period because you could get decent hardware and internet for cheap while in 2005 nobody could even run the game on their high end gaming pc from 2000 or midrange pc from 2003
That was savage Chris and well deserved. Well done!
Great vid. Loved cata back in the day
Preach you look 10yrs younger brother! God bless!
Cool, I was wondering when this was coming out!! Glad I get to see it right after it released. Plz do a Legacy of the Hunter!
11:00 i thought that jingle had been lost to time! It making a return in a legacy video scratches an itch 😌
As someone that skipped multiple expansions, including this one, I'm excited to play through it.
As someone who started actually playing retail during Cata, I had the best GM I ever had in my life that sat down one day with me and explained flasks, gems, reforging, everything, so that I could join their raid group. Sadly he passed away a couple years ago but you will never be forgoten Zafkiel.
Knowing that people were just invited for their gold generation for a guild is really sad.
I started in Cata. Tauren Paladin called Holybeef. I watched only 3 channels. Preach, Totalbiscuit and OMFGCata. The community and the gameplay made me love WoW forever. Keep it up :)
Legacy of videos are incredible. Thanks for this
Man, I think this is another case of Blizzard learning the wrong lessons from things.
I was a hardcore WoW player up until Cataclysm. And I was not deterred by the increased difficulty.
There are a lot of reasons I stopped playing in cataclysm. But the top ones for me are:
1. The goblin zones and their cars just didn't work for me. It felt like a bridge too far with the cars and paved roads (albeit seussian in their construction).
2. Leveling was not fun anymore. I am an alt-a-holic. It felt like the questing in leveling had had all teeth removed. Players DO like a challenge. I was trying to introduce a friend to the game at the time and she was just falling asleep bored as we were leveling. So then we tried LFD.
3. LFD had somehow become worse. In WotLk LFD had already somewhat trivialized dungeons but leveling in Cata, LFD had started that slide into "no chatting whatsoever just W key and go to the next boss" that is now the norm. It was awful. These were not dungeons. They were loot pinatas.
4. Transmog was just the last straw.
The thing I remember saying to guildies and in game friends as to why I was quitting was something along the lines of: "This used to be an adventure that a Dungeon Master had set out for me and the friends I would make along the way. Now it just feels like a theme park where I get on the ride with strangers, am told I should be excited by the ride, then I get off again."
If the end game dungeons really are challenging it might be worth trying cata classic if they have it at that level at launch.
Cataclysm was the first time I drifted away from WoW. It may have even been the first time I unsubscribed from the game since I started playing in the final months of "vanilla." I have plenty of memories from playing Cataclysm 12-13 years ago (and hundreds of saved screenshots / video clips), but I don't remember the expansion that fondly.
"Cata, the start of the downfall."
I still don't get why they'd release this expansion, and not just stay with Wrath, and call it a day.
I remember coming into the game in Cataclysm around Firelands. I can't help but love it because of that even despite it's flaws. I remember being hooked on TB's wipeathon videos and all the guides including yours.
I think the difficulty (or idea of it by the time I came in) is the reason I'm as die hard for challenging content in the game now.
I remember really liking the upped difficulty in dungeons because I played only with guildies and it was nice to have to utilize some cc and stuff to get through them.
Guild perks, rewards & achievements were such a good idea. It's such a shame how it went. I remember when they first came out, everyone in the guild started working towards things. The guild members that didn't raid could work towards things for the guild, everyone could do something & feel that little bit extra involved in the guild.
I never knew why it went away. Now I do. Sad.
wrong.