Yes, Blackwing Normal is an insanely difficult raiding experience. The difficulty: Oh uh, ... do mechanics? "What, what's that, that doesn't show up on my irrelevant ass parses".
Dude grouped with a bunch of randos. Wipes to completely avoidable mechanics. Blames Cata for being "overtuned". His goons are mad fights aren't "stand-in-one-spot-spam-2-buttons" anymore.
You know what ? The worst part is that the fights rven in heroic are so much easier than private servers is a joke comoared to thos private servers and people csnt even do this shit on normal
Mage, Warlock, and DK are literally best classes rn for DPS, but he had literally no Warlocks, only 2 Mages, and 3 DKs, but he’s legit like, “omegalul let’s just run it.”
@@KodamaoftheWeastTree what??, sin rogue and arms warrior can beat MAGE in almost every single scenario possible lmao what kind of raids are u guys even doing
looks good after magmaw, when i was playing there was always problem with not enough mana from healers and not enough dps, funny thing is that i got replaced (druid tank) for a blood DK, who was top of healing done on top of what i was doing, trully balanced class, but that guild only was capable of killing magmaw, omnotron wasn't possible
At the end of the video, you explained the shadowflame / rooting mechanics well, and it took about 3 minutes ... and when asked why you did not explain it previously, to the raiders, you said that you did not want to waste time explaining to people who did not already know. However, if you are going to put together a raid of pretty much random players, you have to assume that they do not know. So by not "wasting time" for 3 minutes to explain the mechanics to them, you in fact ironically wasted about an hour wiping. I understand that patience is thin after doing this content a million times previously, but if you recruit random players, and then do not explain mechanics, you are setting yourself up for a lot of wasted time wiping :-( Love your videos
I full cleared it as the only pug in a raid group guild group that had been raiding in wrath but never actually played cata, RL went down the list of every single thing everyone was doing and each fight we killed with no real wipe prog besides nefarian who is actually hard
The problem is the content is 12 year old, tons of videos of povs and guides the information is there. The people could just see a video and try to undertans the fight or not even thst, just read the book of the mechsnics in game but I think is too much to así before joning a raid cuz people dont play to be better or the best they just wanna "chill " and whatever happens or a carry mind set
I love asmon as a streamer and a content creator, but he has really let himself go in terms of WoW. He needs to realise this, not only is he bitching and moaning about a raid thats actually really easy, but he just cant accept the fact that pugging a uncoordinated raid is just not gonna steamroll normal. Give it a couple weeks and people usually knows what to do, hell he doesnt even know what to do, he needs to stop shifting blame and accept that he is just making himself miserable doing shit, while also looking like a fool complaining about stuff that could be easily avoided with a little bit of effort.
@@BL-qs6iq for sure, but i feel like there is a difference in him malding and being genuinly annoyed. I feel like him ranting about the difficulity here is just really sad honestly.
I'm not that hype about Cata, but I don't really see the point this video is trying to make. You have a completely uncoordinated raid, led by a guy who remembers half of the mechanics and who does comms on stream delay. That they even killed the first boss under those conditions is testament to this stuff, at least on normal, really not being hard.
It’s just rage bait for all the 35yr old classic doomers that watch his react content and haven’t played wow in 15 years. Normal is a joke even with pugs, his stream just attracts some of the worst most casual players and this video is only proof of that
@@vaxxeenmtg9733I think that’s the point he’s trying to make. The casuals of WoW can’t even do a raid on normal difficulty. That’s a huge problem for the game in the long run considering casuals make up the majority of the player base.
"Casual" for teens and college kids is hardmode for gamer dads who also have to pass the IRL raid of trying to hide from their wife and kids long enough to play.
@@KimiRai208 this is the nerfed version of the raid. We did these raids unnerfed on way shittier PCs, way shittier internet 15 years ago. I cleared the tiers on heroic on a laptop with 5mpbs down. No wowhead guides for optimization. It took wiping and progression and it was fun. The thing is we have all those tools now, so now there’s no excuse for people to suck. If every game has to be dumbed down to LFR level then what’s the point. People hated and still hate LFR yet asmon sits here spawning more people who just want LFR but don’t want to admit it.
No caps, no good reforges, no prebis gear, not even play his rotation properly, do less damage than tanks, doesn't explain boss mechanics, doesn't even use a BWD weakaura or DBM, doesn't even read the dungeon journal to understand what he has to do, but he belives he can lead a pug group on week 1 on a pretty hard raid and oneshot everything. Classic streamer expected proficiency.
Also why they give soulstone to dps? instead to have it on tank who got adds :D So many mistakes they made also unholy DK can't use skeleton army in first phase, because blood DK who got adds won't agro it through that army
Ayep. Sad thing is, there are decent PUG raiders that actually know how to play, only to get kicked because you're a PUG player. Then folks bitch about not being able to find anyone... /shrug
Remember he is a content creator first and foremost. He NEEDS to pug this and NEEDS to be seen suffering by his viewers. This isn’t a tutorial, nobody want to watch a super successful raid
What about people who can't take 5 min to watch a vid on all the raid bosses from a 14 year old raid to get an idea of what to do instead of just expecting someone else to explain it to them so that they don't wipe the group? You ever have someone hire at your job and they don't bother AT ALL to try and learn anything? Show up late, still takes a minute to finish their/food drink before they clock in, goes to their position and just does the most half assed lazy job with no care or pride. Feels like you end up reteaching them the same shit you teach them every shift you work with them? They never ask questions about how to do things better / right? There were a lot of those people in this raid.
@@bashvash A raid isn't a job. This is the exact problem with raiding. Toxic people liek you, demanding people who just came home from their real job to treat the game as another job.
@@ravador What was toxic about what I said at all? The part where I want people to be held personally accountable? Where I expect people to make a little effort? A raid, much like a machine, works best when all of its parts are doing what they're supposed to be doing. If you're doing 10 man content, and 2 of your dps are under the tank, would you just continue wiping to the same dumb shit or would you speak up? Ima speak up my guy. I don't want to be the guy every week fucking up the mechanics, forcing the group to wipe and wasting everyone elses time. Maybe you're okay with that. I'm not.
I started playing wow in march and always heard the veteran youtubers and streamers talk about how raiding and dungeons were so difficult and how it was very unapproachable by new players, and it made me very scared of trying to do raids and I tried to avoid them as much as I could. BUT Literally 4 hours into cataclysm and every single boss was already killed in my server, and after only 1 week people were already looking for groups to farm spam the raids and dungeons, including myself. I think the fact these people got last expansion lvl gear, no consumables and only play once per month has probably more impact on them turbo wiping nonstop rather than the raid being actually hard.
@@ComettYT and honestly, where's the fun in something that everyone else can do so easily, raids are supposed to be hard and for people who actually know, enjoy and play the game.
@@ComettYT The truth is that the best players rush these things asap, while the rest of the community which is 99% of them are complete dog shit players that legit think they can hold a candle to asmongold. Unironically, i was top 10 enhancement m+ shaman in shadowlands and i'm nowhere near asmongolds level of skilllevel. This dude spent more time playing wow, than sleeping in his life.
It was meant to be hard, it really felt like an achievement to kill bosses and I loved it Maybe today gamers prefer easy content but I love the feeling to improve as a guild each weeks (my opinion)
I feel ya . It also sucks depending on 24 other people to be competent . I know I play my class/role well but even one smoothbrain can cause a wipe . I mean shit even OG classic/vanilla is like that on some fights . . Heroic raids are fun but god damn do they get daunting when it’s the same people making mistakes over and over again lol
25 man is easier to cheese if you have at least 19 competent players to carry the rest. I’m glad my guild is doing 10mans instead. Three 10 man teams are already moving into heroic modes and the 25man team still can’t get passed atremedes cause too many people are dead from the neck up.
@@HelloYersoGaenah same level of losing a player basically screws you on alot of the dps checks on the bosses that matter. There is a reason that they have the same number of completions roughly yet a vast majority of the best players focus on 25m and not 10.
If you watched his past streams he literally called this. He said he’d prob do some raids and rage quit due to the difficulty and party members messing up lol.
@@vaxxeenmtg9733 wow is full of bad players with shitty takes. Hell, the internet is full of bad players with shitty takes, lets not pretend its an isolated event.
but he's the one messing up? doesnt even know half the mechanics and is bottom dps as an arms warrior like what? Worst WoW player ive seen recently lmfao
Tbh, everything from vanilla to cata should be free to play, it would finaly end that divide between players that are stuck on private servers and offi players...
@@RavenIV idk what you mean by them having the means to stop botting. As far as I know every major MMO has bots no matter what. I do agree with you that they should make it f2p. It would require massive rules tho if they want to reduce botting. I got some ideas. I am not sure it would be fun tho, and those private server and offline players might not enjoy these implemented rules and ideas. 1. Gold lock and limit. You can not use gold for player trades, mail, and there is a strict limit based per expac. 2. No AH. You can not use the AH to buy or post items. You can still directly trade items, but you will not be allowed to trade items for gold as gold trading is disabled. 3. No wow tokens, you can't buy or sell wow tokens with real money or in game gold. This is a big one, and it will automatically encourage botting if available. 4. Expac lock. You only play upto to a expac, and you may choose to raise that character up or not, but it isn't reversible. You may not acquire any item from the next expac from any source, trade, farming, drops, etc etc. You may not enter zones of those expac or do any quests related to the next expacs. These are some VERY heavy rules, but I believe they are required if you want a f2p that won't break the game. You have to understand, if f2p was just let loose up to what ever expac, there are countless ways to exploit it. The game was never designed for it, and people will abuse the system. People would make thousands of bots to farm lower level content 24/7 and flood the market with infinite gold, materials, and services. There is no easy solution, as if you allow any of the mentioned features still active, people will find a way to abuse.
@@yummychips_ regarding wow token, if it would be f2p, token loses meaning, so no token required. By the rules you just stated you would just created a bit more prolonged free trial retail has now, which is the worst free trial of all MMOs, so no, there is no point to even go f2p. As of expansion locks, we are talking base game and first 3 expansions which are decades old, fucking why would you restrict them.... Regarding bots, yea, they would be a plague, perma bans to all of them and All the available means to get them out so for those brainrot people that create them even that idea to create a bit would be missery
Asmon failed as RL in several aspects : healer assignment, raid cooldown rotation, clear task assignment. you can just assume people will do exactly what needs to be done in PUG raid , when they never killed (or maybe they did 10 years ago) Raids on normal are not that hard , but with randoms puting together (checking only ilvl) and not really leading them you simply can fail. And that is ok. Nefarian should not just fall over , because random unprepared group shows up.
I'm om you side to an extend he def should have done more especially with how bad the group was doing but as someone who has already cleared the content and raid lead everything from pugs to gdkps to guild runs it easily adds an hour to a run just explaining fights and it's really not that hard to spend a few mins watching a tldr guide on the fights. There are obviously some things that need to be pre decided in every raid but it's just better to get the important things out pull it and see what needs to be done to make it a better pull. Some level of minium effort has to be there though you don't deserve to clear the content if you just expect to show up know nothing and get carried or be the cause of the failure of the group imo.
Cata classic looks fun, leveling is a lot more smoother and not frustatling slow with community that likes to gatekeep leveling and dungeon farming from looks of it.
I get some people loved Cata, and are really happy with this. Glad Blizzard did this.... BUT They should have Classic through TBC and WotLK on a rolling server rest loop sort of thing. 15 months per expansion perhaps. 4 year cycles ( a few months at the end for catch up) Because for me the game ended with Cata. I know others disagree and prefer Cata. More power to you. But many people Cata was the end. So now "Classic" WoW is forcing us to play "none Classic WoW" or leave the game altogether (Not a fan of SoD either) Almost like Blizzard want to drive people back to private servers. Which TBF - is where I've gone.
This would be really cool to see. Blizzard is well capable of doing this. I have recently joined pservers myself. This constant meta driven theme is getting old. I'm a casual MMORPG gamer, and the RPG aspect is long gone.
This. I played since late BC and I also think Cataclysm was when WoW quality first took a SERIOUS dip down. I personally think Pandaria wasn't as bad as many people see it, though it was still a far cry from how it was before. And ever since then... Yeah.
Cataclysm was fine. We were able to return to Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms from that distant high level only sandboxes of Outland and Northrend. Pandaria and Dreanor was trash though.
@@MarkKatz2772-jg3tc Vanilla, TBC, Wrath were goated, mostly due to nostalgia. Cataclysm was when the game started to feel worse to play. Not sure exactly why. It wasn't disasterous though, just felt worse than before. In MoP the game became good again, one of the best expansions imo. The PvP felt great due to the "ability bloat" and Throne of Thunder is probably the best raid Blizzard ever has done. Draenor was the first expansion that was outright garbage and the real downfall of WoW. Legion was an amazing expansion and on par with the other great ones. But after Legion it all just fell apart. Everything released since has been mediocre at best if not outright uninspiring and boring.
As someone who's led raids for YEARS I can honestly say. Even when you explain things. A huge chunk of players will refuse to listen and it really does end up being a situation where you just beat on a dead horse. So Asmon isn't completely wrong, the game shouldn't need to get that much easier though. If it does need to get that much easier, the game should just die, because the fact is. It would mean the people who are playing it, and want to continue to dumb it down, aren't looking to actually play the game or a video game at all. They just want rewards and act like effort in a game === job. If that's you and you agree that games need to be dumbed down; to a point where rewards come simple and easy. You're not a gamer anymore, move on and don't ruin the thing you loved just because you feel entitled. It doesn't mean I think it should be in this current state though, SOD is a great medium IMO most people can clear it but not everyone. That would be a great start
I can still remember progressing this raid with my guild in original cata. It was wayyyyy to hard even in normal compared to previous raids we had done as a guild.
1:57:30 in with the crash, That one specifically drove me nuts with my new PC and I finally found the solution. Please Please Please read this. The solution to the crash is because having a 13900K CPU, I had the exact thing happen and took a while to figure out it was that specific. Using Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and just change the Performance Core and Efficient Core Ratios down just by 1 each. Its a WoW issue with 13900K specifically. I never had a single crash after that with WoW again.
Finally the truth.....yes thats when my guildies started going awol. LFG was one of the big killers as it killed social. Also they started to insert level boosting and started tinkering with the 1 to 70 level experience to make it easier. Doing all of those leveling short cuts killed off the importance of each class because it was a lot easier to level an alt. The later Zones in WOTLK were rubbish.
Move, kite, interrupt. What’s the fourth? All movement based mechanics is still just moving so it’s not a separate mechanic to move out of lightening and move out of fire
I tried raiding Stormwind. Its not fun anymore. The guards are the same level has you, they range, they range through walls and everyone flys. The Alliance just flys ontop of me and its over. Before, I would burst someone, then play hide n seek; running through the tunnels, trapping, and disengaging over the canals. Best fun ive ever had. And now its gone.
World pvp was on its way out once they took away honorable kills unfortunately, my best memories were as a resto druid running into a full party and being able to out heal their damage and get away.
@@vividly94 getting no where? bro i dont play this as a esport i just wanna play some arenas and have fun thats all lol get a life touch grass i like clearing my raid in a blink get fast geard and do nothing and play a bit of arenas RBG thats my jam on retail i cant do that
Honrstly cata is a hidden gem and we didn't know what we had back in the day. This is what vanilla + should feel like. Fleshed out classes, balanced pvp, gearing system that allows you to have a job and still be competitive, and some nice way of life changes that gets rid of useless down time. Been having more fun on cata than i did for all of classic vanilla.
Pvp was the only thing that got me through cata. Leveling 1 to max took no time compared to the classics and I wasn't a raidlogger. I wouldnt say it's what vanilla+ should be, but it did have some aspects you'd wanna see in it possibly
@@ProjectpvpProduction That's fair. To me it feels less rewarding. I get done in no time flat and go "...cool I guess this is end game". Just searching for groups in my finder, doing some pvp and existing. Before it felt rewarding to finish a character. Now it's just kinda a basic function.
@@apensalesman yeah I can agree, but only the first time. After that it's super tedious and basically impossible unless you no life. Not to mention a vast majority of the community agrees even if they hate to say it. Most players who actually put time in the game did everything they could to skip past that. In classic vanilla, everyonnneeee and their mother dungeon spammed or bought a mage boost. At least now you have time to try other things or hone your skills on your main via pvp.
@@apensalesman"To me it feels less rewarding", Not everything needs to be a marathon to feel "rewarding". Fact is, the harder it is to achieve progression in a video game the more dead it will be as a result. I don't know about you but I'd rather the games i play be full of player activity.
Thoughts/Opinions? Q1: What is a BiScuit? A1: A kit of all your BiS items or full BiS. Q2: What is a BiSquick BiScuit? A2: Where you pay WoW $10 for a one-time 45 second buff that gives you full BiS for the duration. Has a 72-hour internal cooldown per use.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH SUCH A FUNNY ORIGINAL JOKE I TOLD MY DAD THIS JOKE HE DIED LAUGHING LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WAR WITHIN CLASSIC IN 10 YEARS POG HAHAHAHAAHAHAGHA
This is the same thing that happened to me, and I have been playing solo since Cata. I love the game and I don't want to quit, but the endgame isn't fun for me.
@@mr.meatsoup5639 I always get confused by that. People wanted the classic experience. Like in tbc or classic classic, where roles mattered and it was challenging and strategy. But we have that in cata but a maybe a little harder and then it killed wow? It’s the same shit brah
The wow community is the most whiny and frail community in existence. Don’t play cata if you don’t like it. Asmongold is the most miserable player ever, I haven’t seen one expac where he was satisfied. Even in classic he was whiny
can't accept he's washed, always trying to prove something and it gets blown on his face and ofc proceeds to narcissistically (?sp) blame everything except himself
Dead last dps every fight, negative comments every fight, and worst raid lead call outs I have ever heard. This guy is an absolute disgrace to the game.
@@brucekentallen literally calls himself washed up in regards to wow, once you succeed in life there's no reason for being good at a game to be your identity and so he doesn't give a fuck. (literally his own words)
@@FallingForgiveness success in general is subjective. Financially, yeah, no one can argue. But in other areas of his life, I'd argue otherwise and they'd be pretty strong arguments.
For Magmaw there is a trick we used to do. Parasites always spawn on the isolated target if there is one. We used to have ranged DPS stack in one part of the room and one hunter or mage stand alone on a broken patch of ground. Melee dps would stack on the boss with tanks. Parasites would then errupt on the isolated hunter/mage and you can see the fire circle where they would spawn. When they errupt isolated hunter/mage has one job, to slow them and kite them not getting hit! You get infested if they hit you. They dont change agro so RDPS can change to them and AOE them down while the kiter kites them. You make the fight very easy by doing it that way. When they are dead kiter returns to the spot and repeats the process.
I hated all the changes to talents and world from Cata. But it was the first time I really enjoyed running heroics (pre nerf). Was so much fun not being tank and spank and actually having to use coordinated cc.
I remember puging Icecrown. Doing hc with half randkm half guild. Then cata came and my guild that did classic, BC, wrath was stuck on 3/4 bosses in lair and on Chogal in bastion. And mind you l am talking normal and best situations. There were resets (by cata everyone was working and/or fresh hitched) where we couldn't do the sound dragon. Heck for the first 3 weeks we couldn't kill the mechanotron or the lava wurm. And we weren't the only guilds having the problems. The "young" dad guilds got gutted by cataclysm. Heck fuck raids , people would fail doing Grim Batol as if it Pinacle. How it ended was that after a 6-7 months of pain our server was desolate and the still playing "good" players started clearing stuff. By the time of fire lands everything was being cleared on weekly basis, it is just that the number of guilds dropped dramaticly and you couldn't just join after a 3-4 months break.
When raids became too hard to pug, the game died. I kinda agree with Asmon. If you need an organised group to do the easiest entry level content, the game is too hard. At the same time, LFR making it so you could just queue to raid took any interactions out of the game.
Lol "interaction", someone spamming lf for ppl for Ulduar and you whispering to him to invite isnt any different than oressing a button. LFR is perfect for people like you
completely disagree, RAIDs are about getting together with other peple , learn tactic and then progress through the raid. If total randoms can clear whole raid with pre-raid gear and without knowing the tactics THEN its wrong.
Bro literally right now on retail you need to interact with others to get into a raid and normal raid is a complete faceroll to pug under any circumstances and even heroic is puggable in under an hour by people who know what’s going on. I think what you really mean is WoW died for you when you had to press more than 2 buttons and do more than 1 mechanic lol but millions of people disagree and actually enjoy a challenge and progressing.
I've said it before and Everytime i get white knights defending him... Asmongold is a mediocre player at BEST. Dude has good takes and is entertaining to watch, but in every game I've seen him play he's just "meh"
Isn't just abusing a frost DK the best strat still for Magmaw? like run those spawns out, DK Howling Blast and kites the hell out of them with the slow talent. unless they made them slow immune. :x Feels like that extra work of having DPS waste time killing spawns that can be kited around by one dps being a damn bait just makes magmaw basically a dummy target.
@@RybadYT Back then people would get frustrated in raids because they're hard, and now in classic Cata people are getting frustrated all over again over the same bosses lmao
I'm having a blast with Cata. Game feels great. Revamped world levelling is 1000 times better than classic. Endgame content is so good and we know they won't leave it out for 11months like original.
Yeah I'm a bit dissapointed as well. Not only is it full of bugs still, but it's optimised like absolute dogshit. People are saying they removed AI upscaled textures. They didn't. They removed the option..the update is mandatory. One of the biggest selling points of classic for me was the ability to re-experience an old game on newer hardware with minimal performance impacts. Now sitting in orgrimmar (a densely populated orgrimmar) my fps tanks from 150+ in Wrath, now it's under 50fps standing near the AH/Bank. After some trial & error trying to fix the issue, disabling add-ons, emptying cache and deleting wtf folder/GPU software update. Nothing fixes it. I was able to contact a GM & they explained the pre-patch upscaled the textures by somewhat 16x more and that's the culprit. Otherwise my fps remains similar to Wrath, until the area is populated again. I never thought a 15+ year old game being re-released would prompt me to want to upgrade my PC again. What the fuck blizzard. Retail is running more smoothly than this shit now.
Tbh WoW is dead not because of Cata or anything, it is dead because the content is scheduled. I want to play when I can, not find a way to squeze a bit of time. That's why mythic + was such a blast in Legion, no more guilds, just hop on search and find a group to do content. At some point even the most casual guilds become a burden, because life gets pretty random when you actually start living outside your basement.
I just don't think an MMO is for someone who can't schedule out a couple to a few hours of their week. It requires effort, and if you can't put in the time for that, MMOs are not for you.
@@Austinalien Tbh it's just the raid system that ruins it. Lock outs etc. I was playing Aion back in the day just fine, GW 2 even better in that aspect since you can get almost the best gear in the game with crafting and farming open world. Raiding have too much "work" and very little fun. I've been in a lot of guilds when I had time, from casual to semi-hardcore and I can tell, that you can become forever bench-man by not showing for 2 - 3 raids, because you have to deal with some IRL shit.
@@poorpriest4549 Can relate. I was just recently in a "casual" raiding guild on WoTLK which had a discord room and if you wanted to take a day off you had to report it. I had to take like 2 weeks off the game and stopped showing on raids so they started to spam msgs to me and then I got kicked out. I felt more pressured then I'm in my work place. So fckn toxic.
Everything in life works off a schedule, if you cant fit in a 1-2 hour raid window in your day regardless of random stuff happening then you shouldn't be playing an MMO.
I used to be on PVPRP server, and developing the global combat system, the destructibility of the world, create a more fluid world where factions actually have to maintain control of regions and zones in order for their faction to do raids? Or some other game mechanic.
@@Arthur_Grey34 cata raids are not that hard if you just learn the mechanics. You don't need DBM. but he doesn't even try. It's not like the raids in the recent expansions
Yesterday my group did a test run (officialy we are starting to raid next reset so this was just to get item or two) with 2-3 ppl well below 346. Its an understatement to say we demolished the whole raid. It was so easy i got surprised and somewhat dissapointed since im a private server player on cata till classic came out.
I just want to point out this this guy is playing A CHARACTER. He doesn't actually believe the stuff that comes out of his mouth, he just wants the attention. It's like the AVGN and the Nostalgia Critic. Those are personas of James Rolfe and Doug Walker. The "characters" are fictional.
As the title says. What were you expecting? Cata basically killed vanilla as well. I watched as servers died and server merging needed to be implimented, guilds disbanded due to lack of numbers and recruits. Was a terrible expac as was every expac after with 1 exception… Legion. While Legion had many issues it was still the only decent expac since WotLK. I’m not talking about the raids mind you. I’m talking about the overall experience of the gameplay and story. While the raids might have been slightly harder in Cata it doesn’t mean the experience was good.
Relasing Cata as classic is the same as old school runescape announcing the evolution of combat update. It's the antithesis of what classic was made for.
Ranged dps sleeping, melee shouldn't swap to kill it and lose dps... It has quite low hp, though this group had pretty shitty ranged dps overall... Tanks were probably the most awful part, as a former raid leader i know how much it sucks when the tank is so inexperienced and nervous they probably literally are shaking on their chair ignoring ALL commands or advices he is given by the leader. Asmon said to main tank to move Nefarion several time on several attemps from flames, he NEVER did. The off-tanks were also tarded, i could solo tank the adds with my dk, the issue is noob tanks cannot handle collecting more than 1-3 things at maximum at the same time. In cata all tanks already had nice aoe spells to gain aoe+a spell to hit far away targets. They struggle to click the enemy/just using Tab button to scroll through to get to the one you aren't having aggro on and use any spell/taunt to collect it. Also healers were trash, asmon should've give healer for each tank and assign raid healer (+that elemental shaman they had was trash in dps should just maybe go healing and tell them to just heal raid, if they had enough mp/5 on their off spec gear, also that shaman healer they already had was terrible at playing their class and spec already)
please asmon see this comment , your group is way under geared with classic andys who have no idea how to do mechanics , if u played with decent people it wouldnt be hard at all
@@hasaki_oce4611 "120k or something guilds raided naxx" There probably wasn't even 120k players playing classic at the time, let alone raiding Naxx lmao
@@dontneedtoknowmyname.6828 Eh, phase 1 of WOTLK had lots of players, i remember there being queues on several servers. There was probably close to half a million players at that point, but not 120k guilds.
I actually agree with you. The only expansion out side of tbc that I like is cataclysm. I never mention that, because as you say its so far removed from vanilla that I have a hard time accepting it as the same game. It feels more like wow 2.0 to me than an expansion--and I get that they didn't label it wow 2.0, but look at what they did to the map, talent system, and stat attribution system. Its much faster pace, and fun to play--but it isn't really an mmo--more of a multi-player version of a real time chrono trigger. As a result, I have a hard time even considering anything cata and beyond as a legitimate wow expansion.
Hahaha yeah I was thinking about opening up wow and levelling up again but then I remembered wrath and how fucking toxic classic became and turned on fallout 4 instead
Idk if anyone feels this way, but the memories made & experience I had in Vanilla, TBC, WoTLK, and Cata are something I relish and still reminiscence on. I like the idea of playing WoW, but I quit after my life kind of fell to shambles mid Legion and just don't find it fun any longer. Peaked decently high on the ladder w/ 3v3 arena in WoD and called it on that. I still log in every once in a while to look at stuff I have in my bank, like letters sent in the mail between me and my brother and rediscover other sentimental things.
Cata didn't kill anything except for people who can't do mechanics. If you want to face roll raids without doing mechanics, vanilla servers are still out there.
I’m loving cata classic. I like it a lot more than the previous classic xpacs. I’m mainly a pvper and the PvP is so much more fun, better pacing and better abilities and class design.
Hi, I’m a new player and would like to get into Wow classic (i’m not interested in retail) But I’m kinda lost, do people play Wow SoD or Wow cataclysm? Is it the same?
Nope. Wow Classic is a term that is confusing, as it refers to both the base game and early expansions. People used to refer to the base game as Vanilla WoW - until Blizzard re-released it under the name "Classic". Expansions/versions currently available: Classic - (Classic Era - only Base game) Classic - SoD (base game + certain new additions such as raids/dungeons/abilities) Classic - Cataclysm (The 3rd WoW expansion, after TBC and WoTLK) Classic - HC (Permadeath) If you have a LOT of time on your hands, I would recommend Classic Era, the basegame. If you don't have too much time to play, Classic SoD offers a Classic + experience with faster levelling, more class customization, and content that is new for everyone playing the game wether veteran or new player. Cataclysm expansion had mixed reviews when it was first released. Many thought of it as the hardest expansion - because it cranked up the difficulty of regular content to a point where many groups kept dying over and over again. It has a good campaign/leveling experience, but i wouldn't recommend it as a place to start. Hope this helps! P.S. A subscription gets you access to all of these. All of them are currently equally active, except for Hardcore which has a very small community. If you want to play Classic Era or Classic SoD, you need to download world of warcraft classic from the Battle-net launcher. Then choose either Era or SoD servers once inside the game. For Classic Cataclysm, it is seperate download in the launcher. Have fun.
If you want to play classic and don’t care about retail and haven’t played before just play on a privet server they will prob last longer then the wow classic servers
He’ll I met my best friend of almost 20 years now I think might be 15 forget how long it’s been on a TBC privet server. They are more fun and free for the most part
It’s the summer. MMORPG playerbases always die off in the summer. Raid turnover always highest in the summer and Xmas holidays. Add to the fact this current player base is split 6 ways and not enough puggers have hit 85 and done enough heroics to be ready to raid now. He’s just being unrealistic.
they might do that... wow 'classic' really ended with WotLK, not sure why blizz went to cata (and probably MoP classic next). They could keep a decent playerbase just rotating from vanilla to wrath.
so classic community is just noobs, thats a main reason why cata is "bad", nice green legs and no food buff and no pots on Nef btw, oh yeah, what a great dps, 11-15k in average
@@LeesArts More like massive waste of time and energy. The content itself is not difficult at all, especially with the addons available. Being forced to rely on stupid people to raid is what drove me away.
I’ve never even played WoW but every time I hear about the way its raids work I think “who would waste their time doing this”. Everything just seems so tedious and unnecessarily long. @@ambassadoroftheandromedagalaxy
Nice to See Cata classic released, i don't have time anymore for wow, but i did enjoy when i first started playing when Cata launched back in the day. i played a ret paladin on a server called garrosh, don't even know if that server exisits anymore or was merged into a new one, but alot of fond memories of firelands raiding with the Alliance Hellions Guild
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TLDR: his group couldent do hard content and he ragequits saying raids are too hard and killed classic
lol sure... it had nothing to do with the fact that he couldn't find enough people for the raid to begin with....
@@vanisyn2495 there are thousands playing on benediction , most people just don't wanna play on stream
Yup sounds about right to me
Yes, Blackwing Normal is an insanely difficult raiding experience. The difficulty: Oh uh, ... do mechanics? "What, what's that, that doesn't show up on my irrelevant ass parses".
This is normal lmao.
Let me guess...
He doesn't get carried, is around 15th in dps and completely malds in the end?
everyone else's fault but also blizzard's fault
Closer to top DPS but only because he recruited a bunch of monkeys
It’s actually pretty impressive to be this bad at the game my girlfriend is better and she primarily plays animal crossing now.
@@BrianKnielinghealing and being told what to do doesn't make her good.
@@BrianKnieling irrelevant, he was 99 percentile dps back in original Cata and MoP. Who cares about it now
Dude grouped with a bunch of randos. Wipes to completely avoidable mechanics. Blames Cata for being "overtuned". His goons are mad fights aren't "stand-in-one-spot-spam-2-buttons" anymore.
You know what ? The worst part is that the fights rven in heroic are so much easier than private servers is a joke comoared to thos private servers and people csnt even do this shit on normal
Mage, Warlock, and DK are literally best classes rn for DPS, but he had literally no Warlocks, only 2 Mages, and 3 DKs, but he’s legit like, “omegalul let’s just run it.”
@@KodamaoftheWeastTree Kinda defeats the purpose of having 10+ dps classes when only 3 are the viable option that everyone defaults to.
@@UltimaKrecia that’s what caty was like. Everyone was like, “I want Cataclysm as it was, don’t change anything.” That was cata.
@@KodamaoftheWeastTree what??, sin rogue and arms warrior can beat MAGE in almost every single scenario possible lmao what kind of raids are u guys even doing
Leading a Pug raid. In BWD of all places. You gotta love it!
Oh memories 😂😂
Still giganerfed. 20% less HP, also I swear the damage of boss looks to be nerfed as well. That magmaw kill should have been a wipe at 40% or earlier
looks good after magmaw, when i was playing there was always problem with not enough mana from healers and not enough dps, funny thing is that i got replaced (druid tank) for a blood DK, who was top of healing done on top of what i was doing, trully balanced class, but that guild only was capable of killing magmaw, omnotron wasn't possible
@@1Grainer1I played healer and I remember having big mana issue compared to what I see here that's true 😅
I had similar expiriance with guild . Cata was the casual/dad guild killer. Heck hc dungeons were too hardfor a lot of people at the start
At the end of the video, you explained the shadowflame / rooting mechanics well, and it took about 3 minutes ... and when asked why you did not explain it previously, to the raiders, you said that you did not want to waste time explaining to people who did not already know. However, if you are going to put together a raid of pretty much random players, you have to assume that they do not know. So by not "wasting time" for 3 minutes to explain the mechanics to them, you in fact ironically wasted about an hour wiping. I understand that patience is thin after doing this content a million times previously, but if you recruit random players, and then do not explain mechanics, you are setting yourself up for a lot of wasted time wiping :-( Love your videos
He is doing it for content. Don't sign up to an asmon raid if you want to actually do anything productive with your time.
... More time wiping than the morning after a drunken night out and binging taco bell.
I full cleared it as the only pug in a raid group guild group that had been raiding in wrath but never actually played cata, RL went down the list of every single thing everyone was doing and each fight we killed with no real wipe prog besides nefarian who is actually hard
The problem is the content is 12 year old, tons of videos of povs and guides the information is there. The people could just see a video and try to undertans the fight or not even thst, just read the book of the mechsnics in game but I think is too much to así before joning a raid cuz people dont play to be better or the best they just wanna "chill " and whatever happens or a carry mind set
But then bald God wouldn't have content
I love asmon as a streamer and a content creator, but he has really let himself go in terms of WoW. He needs to realise this, not only is he bitching and moaning about a raid thats actually really easy, but he just cant accept the fact that pugging a uncoordinated raid is just not gonna steamroll normal. Give it a couple weeks and people usually knows what to do, hell he doesnt even know what to do, he needs to stop shifting blame and accept that he is just making himself miserable doing shit, while also looking like a fool complaining about stuff that could be easily avoided with a little bit of effort.
Isn't that part of his appeal though? I love watching Asmon raids for the carnage, I hope they wipe.
@@BL-qs6iq for sure, but i feel like there is a difference in him malding and being genuinly annoyed. I feel like him ranting about the difficulity here is just really sad honestly.
@@Omba6666it's funny. Don't take it so seriously.
I agree 100%
You know hes behaving like this to create content right?
I'm not that hype about Cata, but I don't really see the point this video is trying to make. You have a completely uncoordinated raid, led by a guy who remembers half of the mechanics and who does comms on stream delay. That they even killed the first boss under those conditions is testament to this stuff, at least on normal, really not being hard.
It’s just rage bait for all the 35yr old classic doomers that watch his react content and haven’t played wow in 15 years. Normal is a joke even with pugs, his stream just attracts some of the worst most casual players and this video is only proof of that
@@vaxxeenmtg9733I think that’s the point he’s trying to make. The casuals of WoW can’t even do a raid on normal difficulty. That’s a huge problem for the game in the long run considering casuals make up the majority of the player base.
"Casual" for teens and college kids is hardmode for gamer dads who also have to pass the IRL raid of trying to hide from their wife and kids long enough to play.
@@christianalanwilson434 “wife agro” the quasi-mechanic
@@KimiRai208 this is the nerfed version of the raid. We did these raids unnerfed on way shittier PCs, way shittier internet 15 years ago. I cleared the tiers on heroic on a laptop with 5mpbs down. No wowhead guides for optimization. It took wiping and progression and it was fun. The thing is we have all those tools now, so now there’s no excuse for people to suck. If every game has to be dumbed down to LFR level then what’s the point. People hated and still hate LFR yet asmon sits here spawning more people who just want LFR but don’t want to admit it.
No caps, no good reforges, no prebis gear, not even play his rotation properly, do less damage than tanks, doesn't explain boss mechanics, doesn't even use a BWD weakaura or DBM, doesn't even read the dungeon journal to understand what he has to do, but he belives he can lead a pug group on week 1 on a pretty hard raid and oneshot everything.
Classic streamer expected proficiency.
holy based
once you install all your addons, you might as well not even play lol.
No addons is the way to play
He still got more money then you
@@cj55555c Proof that meritocracy is mostly bull in a world of sycophants that struggle to read.
He is surprised no warlocks were signing up. There were plenty of warlocks just none of them dumb enough to join with him and funnel him gear.
funnel his warrior warlock gear?
@@Not_Hans boosting his ass
Also why they give soulstone to dps? instead to have it on tank who got adds :D So many mistakes they made also unholy DK can't use skeleton army in first phase, because blood DK who got adds won't agro it through that army
@@Not_Hans carry him, warrior gear drops, warrior loots gear? hard concept.
@@TB-sw1tf oh yea.. raiding with streamers is like playing monopoly with bankers
Can't wait for Shadowlands Classic. This gonna be WoWs last chance!!!
Lets farm BFA classic islands and Shadow lands Maw and Torgast 😂
The war within classic please
I’m unironically looking forward to it. Guessing it’ll be 2029.
@@rsEinganaI nearly just threw up a little reading this.
This is a very original joke you honestly should be proud.
Bro invited a bunch of random players and was like okay we good to go lol
Ayep. Sad thing is, there are decent PUG raiders that actually know how to play, only to get kicked because you're a PUG player. Then folks bitch about not being able to find anyone... /shrug
Yeh that's how I raid and we do all HC content, without discord. And it's eu servers
Are server did all raids normal and heroic on first day
@@MrNoucfeanorso true
@@theforlanjoker4457 nothing special,for top guilds who did it before,whats the problem? its not new stuff
What a genius idea to explain the fight AFTER you rage quit. Definitely wouldn't have been helpful for the raid or anything!
Remember he is a content creator first and foremost. He NEEDS to pug this and NEEDS to be seen suffering by his viewers. This isn’t a tutorial, nobody want to watch a super successful raid
As a casual pug I got intemidated watching the Nefarian fight. But then I remember Asmon's 4 hour attempt at Gruul and now I'm chill
Asmon talking to the group like they're children, and that he understands everything despite clearly forgetting how the pulls work is very funny to me
Where is Gus? We need him in these dire times.
He's in another raid because he doesn't want to get ninja by his "BF"
Gus content was peak asmon
This sort of toxic raid leading is what killed the game.
What about people who can't take 5 min to watch a vid on all the raid bosses from a 14 year old raid to get an idea of what to do instead of just expecting someone else to explain it to them so that they don't wipe the group?
You ever have someone hire at your job and they don't bother AT ALL to try and learn anything? Show up late, still takes a minute to finish their/food drink before they clock in, goes to their position and just does the most half assed lazy job with no care or pride. Feels like you end up reteaching them the same shit you teach them every shift you work with them? They never ask questions about how to do things better / right?
There were a lot of those people in this raid.
@@bashvash A raid isn't a job. This is the exact problem with raiding. Toxic people liek you, demanding people who just came home from their real job to treat the game as another job.
@@ravador What was toxic about what I said at all? The part where I want people to be held personally accountable? Where I expect people to make a little effort? A raid, much like a machine, works best when all of its parts are doing what they're supposed to be doing. If you're doing 10 man content, and 2 of your dps are under the tank, would you just continue wiping to the same dumb shit or would you speak up? Ima speak up my guy.
I don't want to be the guy every week fucking up the mechanics, forcing the group to wipe and wasting everyone elses time. Maybe you're okay with that. I'm not.
My God, what a rotten attitude. Can't believe people want to play with him.
I started playing wow in march and always heard the veteran youtubers and streamers talk about how raiding and dungeons were so difficult and how it was very unapproachable by new players, and it made me very scared of trying to do raids and I tried to avoid them as much as I could.
BUT
Literally 4 hours into cataclysm and every single boss was already killed in my server, and after only 1 week people were already looking for groups to farm spam the raids and dungeons, including myself.
I think the fact these people got last expansion lvl gear, no consumables and only play once per month has probably more impact on them turbo wiping nonstop rather than the raid being actually hard.
@@ComettYT and honestly, where's the fun in something that everyone else can do so easily, raids are supposed to be hard and for people who actually know, enjoy and play the game.
You can already tell a minute in that it's gonna be a failure but that's exactly what he wants... for content. I wouldn't join either lol.
@@ComettYT The truth is that the best players rush these things asap, while the rest of the community which is 99% of them are complete dog shit players that legit think they can hold a candle to asmongold. Unironically, i was top 10 enhancement m+ shaman in shadowlands and i'm nowhere near asmongolds level of skilllevel. This dude spent more time playing wow, than sleeping in his life.
It was meant to be hard, it really felt like an achievement to kill bosses and I loved it
Maybe today gamers prefer easy content but I love the feeling to improve as a guild each weeks (my opinion)
I feel ya . It also sucks depending on 24 other people to be competent . I know I play my class/role well but even one smoothbrain can cause a wipe . I mean shit even OG classic/vanilla is like that on some fights . . Heroic raids are fun but god damn do they get daunting when it’s the same people making mistakes over and over again lol
25 man is easier to cheese if you have at least 19 competent players to carry the rest. I’m glad my guild is doing 10mans instead. Three 10 man teams are already moving into heroic modes and the 25man team still can’t get passed atremedes cause too many people are dead from the neck up.
@@HelloYersoGaenah same level of losing a player basically screws you on alot of the dps checks on the bosses that matter. There is a reason that they have the same number of completions roughly yet a vast majority of the best players focus on 25m and not 10.
If you watched his past streams he literally called this. He said he’d prob do some raids and rage quit due to the difficulty and party members messing up lol.
His community is full of bad players with shitty takes. Even he knows it was coming
@@vaxxeenmtg9733 wow is full of bad players with shitty takes. Hell, the internet is full of bad players with shitty takes, lets not pretend its an isolated event.
but he's the one messing up? doesnt even know half the mechanics and is bottom dps as an arms warrior like what?
Worst WoW player ive seen recently lmfao
most people who play classic are really bad. They don’t seem to care about improving much.
“Time to do the only thing i brought you in here to do, soulstone”
“What’s that”
died laughing at this one
time stamp?
He literally never said that
7:50
7:40 sorry don't know how to hyper link
I love seeing his enthusiasm decline every time he does classic raids
LOI getting carried again lmao
Tbh, everything from vanilla to cata should be free to play, it would finaly end that divide between players that are stuck on private servers and offi players...
No, botting is already a huge issue. Free to play would make it much much worse
@@NoNo-ll8og thats entirely on blizzard, they should have the means to deal with it permanently, long ago
@@RavenIV idk what you mean by them having the means to stop botting. As far as I know every major MMO has bots no matter what.
I do agree with you that they should make it f2p. It would require massive rules tho if they want to reduce botting. I got some ideas. I am not sure it would be fun tho, and those private server and offline players might not enjoy these implemented rules and ideas.
1. Gold lock and limit. You can not use gold for player trades, mail, and there is a strict limit based per expac.
2. No AH. You can not use the AH to buy or post items. You can still directly trade items, but you will not be allowed to trade items for gold as gold trading is disabled.
3. No wow tokens, you can't buy or sell wow tokens with real money or in game gold. This is a big one, and it will automatically encourage botting if available.
4. Expac lock. You only play upto to a expac, and you may choose to raise that character up or not, but it isn't reversible. You may not acquire any item from the next expac from any source, trade, farming, drops, etc etc. You may not enter zones of those expac or do any quests related to the next expacs.
These are some VERY heavy rules, but I believe they are required if you want a f2p that won't break the game. You have to understand, if f2p was just let loose up to what ever expac, there are countless ways to exploit it. The game was never designed for it, and people will abuse the system. People would make thousands of bots to farm lower level content 24/7 and flood the market with infinite gold, materials, and services. There is no easy solution, as if you allow any of the mentioned features still active, people will find a way to abuse.
@@yummychips_ regarding wow token, if it would be f2p, token loses meaning, so no token required.
By the rules you just stated you would just created a bit more prolonged free trial retail has now, which is the worst free trial of all MMOs, so no, there is no point to even go f2p.
As of expansion locks, we are talking base game and first 3 expansions which are decades old, fucking why would you restrict them....
Regarding bots, yea, they would be a plague, perma bans to all of them and All the available means to get them out so for those brainrot people that create them even that idea to create a bit would be missery
But blizzard thinks private server players might wanna pay them 15$ a month to play offices classic lol
Asmon failed as RL in several aspects : healer assignment, raid cooldown rotation, clear task assignment.
you can just assume people will do exactly what needs to be done in PUG raid , when they never killed (or maybe they did 10 years ago)
Raids on normal are not that hard , but with randoms puting together (checking only ilvl) and not really leading them you simply can fail. And that is ok. Nefarian should not just fall over , because random unprepared group shows up.
I'm om you side to an extend he def should have done more especially with how bad the group was doing but as someone who has already cleared the content and raid lead everything from pugs to gdkps to guild runs it easily adds an hour to a run just explaining fights and it's really not that hard to spend a few mins watching a tldr guide on the fights. There are obviously some things that need to be pre decided in every raid but it's just better to get the important things out pull it and see what needs to be done to make it a better pull. Some level of minium effort has to be there though you don't deserve to clear the content if you just expect to show up know nothing and get carried or be the cause of the failure of the group imo.
Cata classic looks fun, leveling is a lot more smoother and not frustatling slow with community that likes to gatekeep leveling and dungeon farming from looks of it.
Who gatekept leveling? Huh???? Unless you mean incursion spamming SoD I guess
Turns out Asmon is garbage at WoW. Who would've thunk it?
he was always garbage at the game. Its just he played 12h a day, not even that helped him be good. He is mediocre at best.
like literally most WoW TH-camrs? :D
@@sykowhite9465 i mean running around in the city is and "complaining" about shit isnt really playing
@@JanNohyl-gp4jzmy guy he gets paid sick stupid money for practically doing nothing. He doesn’t need to be good at anything or play in a certain way
I get some people loved Cata, and are really happy with this. Glad Blizzard did this.... BUT
They should have Classic through TBC and WotLK on a rolling server rest loop sort of thing. 15 months per expansion perhaps. 4 year cycles ( a few months at the end for catch up)
Because for me the game ended with Cata. I know others disagree and prefer Cata. More power to you. But many people Cata was the end.
So now "Classic" WoW is forcing us to play "none Classic WoW" or leave the game altogether (Not a fan of SoD either)
Almost like Blizzard want to drive people back to private servers. Which TBF - is where I've gone.
Absolutely agree, they already have the infrastructure, shouldn’t be too hard for blizz to do it…. I think they will eventually but idk when.
Back, back to Warmane we will go.
This would be really cool to see. Blizzard is well capable of doing this. I have recently joined pservers myself. This constant meta driven theme is getting old. I'm a casual MMORPG gamer, and the RPG aspect is long gone.
no let the game die stop paying them until Blizzard actually dose a good job
Wait..so the classic servers have progressed to cata themselves? I thought they kept them intact 🤔
It also killed WoW when it first came out
Not "killed" because it has to be dead already for that to make sense. Wow is not anywhere near dead as it is. Slowly dying? Yes. Dead? No.
This. I played since late BC and I also think Cataclysm was when WoW quality first took a SERIOUS dip down.
I personally think Pandaria wasn't as bad as many people see it, though it was still a far cry from how it was before.
And ever since then... Yeah.
Cataclysm was fine. We were able to return to Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms from that distant high level only sandboxes of Outland and Northrend. Pandaria and Dreanor was trash though.
@@MarkKatz2772-jg3tc I think Cata class design and talents were perfect..the old system..and it feels more complete that wotlk..
@@MarkKatz2772-jg3tc Vanilla, TBC, Wrath were goated, mostly due to nostalgia.
Cataclysm was when the game started to feel worse to play. Not sure exactly why. It wasn't disasterous though, just felt worse than before.
In MoP the game became good again, one of the best expansions imo. The PvP felt great due to the "ability bloat" and Throne of Thunder is probably the best raid Blizzard ever has done. Draenor was the first expansion that was outright garbage and the real downfall of WoW.
Legion was an amazing expansion and on par with the other great ones. But after Legion it all just fell apart. Everything released since has been mediocre at best if not outright uninspiring and boring.
Streamer man pugs raid with viewers and has a bad time. Who could have seen this coming?
Streamer man continues to whine about a game he still plays while saying he’s quitting only to keep playing and continuing to whine
@@Syndrooyeah he quit but he didn't say he going to stop playing the game.
he always crying :D
@@Syndroohe quit playing the game as a full time job
@@Syndroocry
As someone who's led raids for YEARS I can honestly say. Even when you explain things. A huge chunk of players will refuse to listen and it really does end up being a situation where you just beat on a dead horse. So Asmon isn't completely wrong, the game shouldn't need to get that much easier though. If it does need to get that much easier, the game should just die, because the fact is. It would mean the people who are playing it, and want to continue to dumb it down, aren't looking to actually play the game or a video game at all. They just want rewards and act like effort in a game === job. If that's you and you agree that games need to be dumbed down; to a point where rewards come simple and easy. You're not a gamer anymore, move on and don't ruin the thing you loved just because you feel entitled. It doesn't mean I think it should be in this current state though, SOD is a great medium IMO most people can clear it but not everyone. That would be a great start
I can still remember progressing this raid with my guild in original cata. It was wayyyyy to hard even in normal compared to previous raids we had done as a guild.
is not that hard bro, i killed first 2 bosses in heroic in a pug we wiped around 12 times on magmaw and like 20 on robots
@@kyoden1928 It's nerfed in classic Cata. It was hard back in 2010 lol.
@@kyoden1928lmao back then, if you were so bad to wipe 12times on magmaw, youd wipe 200 times on robots.
The death of wow started in TBC, flying mounts and leaving Azeroth in hindsight were massive issues
1:57:30 in with the crash, That one specifically drove me nuts with my new PC and I finally found the solution. Please Please Please read this.
The solution to the crash is because having a 13900K CPU, I had the exact thing happen and took a while to figure out it was that specific.
Using Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and just change the Performance Core and Efficient Core Ratios down just by 1 each. Its a WoW issue with 13900K specifically.
I never had a single crash after that with WoW again.
WotLK killed wow. Cata ensured the grave stayed buried.
Finally the truth.....yes thats when my guildies started going awol. LFG was one of the big killers as it killed social. Also they started to insert level boosting and started tinkering with the 1 to 70 level experience to make it easier. Doing all of those leveling short cuts killed off the importance of each class because it was a lot easier to level an alt. The later Zones in WOTLK were rubbish.
Agreed this is when I quit wow, lfg killed exploration of world map
>There's only one mechanic.
There are at least 4 unique mechanics going on here, Asmon.
😂 I swear
He’s meaning ones that will wipe the raid aka kill people 😂
Move, kite, interrupt. What’s the fourth? All movement based mechanics is still just moving so it’s not a separate mechanic to move out of lightening and move out of fire
idk about wow, but I am interested wizard man
What happened to the outro music?? :(
His videos doesn't have outro music for years.
Makes sense. It killed actual WoW too.
Na, the stupid useless player base did that.
stop yaping wow never gonna die
Cataclysm was a good expansion up until the last patch.
@@Amateracu1991DFFOO Last patch gave us transmoggin and made raids more relevant with LFR.
The server numbers for cata classic are abysmal too. Literally nobody asked for cata classic
SOD Server I am on has gone from super busy with people everywhere to dead in less than a week, stone cold dead, even the summon spammers are gone.
And we’re growing like a weed on Deviate Delight.
Don’t forget about MoP: Remix that also doesn’t help
classic era is active as of this moment
Next patch will revive it. People hop between all the WoWs now
Because everyone’s been done with phase 3 for weeks. There is literally nothing to do other than farm gold like a zombie.
Bro couldn't clear normal LMFAO
This was blizzard's last chance, how could they
Satire?
Their 28th last chance but i swear THIS TIME they won't get away with this
@@Luna-wk7kfyeah it was their 28th last chance, get with the program.
How could they? They could because yall keep giving them money lmao
Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll get plenty of other last chances.
I tried raiding Stormwind.
Its not fun anymore.
The guards are the same level has you, they range, they range through walls and everyone flys.
The Alliance just flys ontop of me and its over.
Before, I would burst someone, then play hide n seek; running through the tunnels, trapping, and disengaging over the canals.
Best fun ive ever had.
And now its gone.
World pvp was on its way out once they took away honorable kills unfortunately, my best memories were as a resto druid running into a full party and being able to out heal their damage and get away.
I mean wtf did you expect... I knew they were on the rock when they let classic go past Lich..
Omg like omg ur so smaht 🥴🥴🥴
BUT I WANNA PLAY MOP PVP EVERYBODY SAYS IS SO GOOD AND GREAT but I DIDNT PLAY ITITITIITT was born to late
Dude, Classic WoW ded
@@janl5879 Good luck whacking people for 10 minutes and getting no where.
@@vividly94 getting no where? bro i dont play this as a esport i just wanna play some arenas and have fun thats all lol get a life touch grass
i like clearing my raid in a blink get fast geard and do nothing and play a bit of arenas RBG
thats my jam on retail i cant do that
I’m just waiting for season of discovery classic and followed by classic wow classic
You mean "OG vanilla classic+++ classic reboot"
We'll need a Championship Edition too
dam bro classic wow classic had me kekw
stop dps continues to hit the boss
I don't know how anyone can stand this guy.
Honrstly cata is a hidden gem and we didn't know what we had back in the day. This is what vanilla + should feel like. Fleshed out classes, balanced pvp, gearing system that allows you to have a job and still be competitive, and some nice way of life changes that gets rid of useless down time. Been having more fun on cata than i did for all of classic vanilla.
Pvp was the only thing that got me through cata. Leveling 1 to max took no time compared to the classics and I wasn't a raidlogger.
I wouldnt say it's what vanilla+ should be, but it did have some aspects you'd wanna see in it possibly
@@apensalesman yeah the leveling pace is what makes it feel rewarding. You can actually finish characters and play alts.
@@ProjectpvpProduction That's fair. To me it feels less rewarding. I get done in no time flat and go "...cool I guess this is end game". Just searching for groups in my finder, doing some pvp and existing. Before it felt rewarding to finish a character. Now it's just kinda a basic function.
@@apensalesman yeah I can agree, but only the first time. After that it's super tedious and basically impossible unless you no life. Not to mention a vast majority of the community agrees even if they hate to say it. Most players who actually put time in the game did everything they could to skip past that. In classic vanilla, everyonnneeee and their mother dungeon spammed or bought a mage boost. At least now you have time to try other things or hone your skills on your main via pvp.
@@apensalesman"To me it feels less rewarding", Not everything needs to be a marathon to feel "rewarding". Fact is, the harder it is to achieve progression in a video game the more dead it will be as a result. I don't know about you but I'd rather the games i play be full of player activity.
Thoughts/Opinions?
Q1: What is a BiScuit?
A1: A kit of all your BiS items or full BiS.
Q2: What is a BiSquick BiScuit?
A2: Where you pay WoW $10 for a one-time 45 second buff that gives you full BiS for the duration.
Has a 72-hour internal cooldown per use.
Not gonna lie, i completely forgot Cata had released.
Yea, I've been on Hardcore ever since
@@EnderGoku9001 Holy hell people still play that? I forgot it existed
You just lied
I didnt, because it was the day i unsubbed from WoW and resubbed to the gym.
You're missing out one of the expansions with the best gameplay
If it was a Horde pug good chance would have done it. Though still surprised that Classic has not added cross faction raiding yet like Retail.
I can’t wait for Legion Classic Season of Discovery in a few years, the true classic wow experience
That's when WoW's really back
I can’t wait for classic The War Within I’m so hyped
@@TheBugB I'm more pysched for it than retail TWW
Get a new joke for the love of God
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH SUCH A FUNNY ORIGINAL JOKE I TOLD MY DAD THIS JOKE HE DIED LAUGHING LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WAR WITHIN CLASSIC IN 10 YEARS POG HAHAHAHAAHAHAGHA
This is the same thing that happened to me, and I have been playing solo since Cata. I love the game and I don't want to quit, but the endgame isn't fun for me.
How does cata end game differ from wotlk? You do dungeons, raid, pvp and farm gold. Thats it. The only real difference is that Cata is a bit harder.
@@mr.meatsoup5639 I always get confused by that. People wanted the classic experience. Like in tbc or classic classic, where roles mattered and it was challenging and strategy. But we have that in cata but a maybe a little harder and then it killed wow? It’s the same shit brah
@@rianeagan2693 nothing in classic was challenging
@@Oakwin_mb so I guess that’s why people liked it?
@@rianeagan2693 yes, unironically
The wow community is the most whiny and frail community in existence. Don’t play cata if you don’t like it. Asmongold is the most miserable player ever, I haven’t seen one expac where he was satisfied. Even in classic he was whiny
Cataclysm is the best expansion and idgaf what anyone says. Better than wrath and every single expansion after cata got worse.
Cataclysm also killed OG WoW
I almost joined this group when they raided yesterday. I inspected like 4--5 people and knew it was going to be a shit show.
What realm is this?
Lol asmons fantasy realm
why does he play the game at this point?
can't accept he's washed, always trying to prove something and it gets blown on his face and ofc proceeds to narcissistically (?sp) blame everything except himself
Because we keep watching his wow content
Dead last dps every fight, negative comments every fight, and worst raid lead call outs I have ever heard. This guy is an absolute disgrace to the game.
@@brucekentallen literally calls himself washed up in regards to wow, once you succeed in life there's no reason for being good at a game to be your identity and so he doesn't give a fuck. (literally his own words)
@@FallingForgiveness success in general is subjective. Financially, yeah, no one can argue. But in other areas of his life, I'd argue otherwise and they'd be pretty strong arguments.
"couldn't be me ... mine's on CD"
Watching asmon play wow makes me nostalgic and sad
Time to go back to private servers!
For Magmaw there is a trick we used to do. Parasites always spawn on the isolated target if there is one. We used to have ranged DPS stack in one part of the room and one hunter or mage stand alone on a broken patch of ground. Melee dps would stack on the boss with tanks.
Parasites would then errupt on the isolated hunter/mage and you can see the fire circle where they would spawn. When they errupt isolated hunter/mage has one job, to slow them and kite them not getting hit! You get infested if they hit you. They dont change agro so RDPS can change to them and AOE them down while the kiter kites them. You make the fight very easy by doing it that way. When they are dead kiter returns to the spot and repeats the process.
I hated all the changes to talents and world from Cata. But it was the first time I really enjoyed running heroics (pre nerf). Was so much fun not being tank and spank and actually having to use coordinated cc.
I remember puging Icecrown. Doing hc with half randkm half guild. Then cata came and my guild that did classic, BC, wrath was stuck on 3/4 bosses in lair and on Chogal in bastion. And mind you l am talking normal and best situations. There were resets (by cata everyone was working and/or fresh hitched) where we couldn't do the sound dragon. Heck for the first 3 weeks we couldn't kill the mechanotron or the lava wurm. And we weren't the only guilds having the problems. The "young" dad guilds got gutted by cataclysm. Heck fuck raids , people would fail doing Grim Batol as if it Pinacle. How it ended was that after a 6-7 months of pain our server was desolate and the still playing "good" players started clearing stuff. By the time of fire lands everything was being cleared on weekly basis, it is just that the number of guilds dropped dramaticly and you couldn't just join after a 3-4 months break.
When raids became too hard to pug, the game died. I kinda agree with Asmon. If you need an organised group to do the easiest entry level content, the game is too hard.
At the same time, LFR making it so you could just queue to raid took any interactions out of the game.
or that group just need to get better lmao youre part of the group thats bad at the game go back to ff
Lol "interaction", someone spamming lf for ppl for Ulduar and you whispering to him to invite isnt any different than oressing a button. LFR is perfect for people like you
completely disagree, RAIDs are about getting together with other peple , learn tactic and then progress through the raid.
If total randoms can clear whole raid with pre-raid gear and without knowing the tactics THEN its wrong.
@@daqimber It's crazy that ff14 literally did all the things you called "wrong" and still has a great raiding scene, like how is it even possible
Bro literally right now on retail you need to interact with others to get into a raid and normal raid is a complete faceroll to pug under any circumstances and even heroic is puggable in under an hour by people who know what’s going on. I think what you really mean is WoW died for you when you had to press more than 2 buttons and do more than 1 mechanic lol but millions of people disagree and actually enjoy a challenge and progressing.
dude, i thought id never says this, but mad respect for asmond actually being fair with loot..but not surprised hes bottom dps..
I've said it before and Everytime i get white knights defending him... Asmongold is a mediocre player at BEST. Dude has good takes and is entertaining to watch, but in every game I've seen him play he's just "meh"
Isn't just abusing a frost DK the best strat still for Magmaw? like run those spawns out, DK Howling Blast and kites the hell out of them with the slow talent. unless they made them slow immune. :x Feels like that extra work of having DPS waste time killing spawns that can be kited around by one dps being a damn bait just makes magmaw basically a dummy target.
So they captured the spirit of the original expansion, nice.
What do you mean? Cata is pretty well received by everyone playing.
@@RybadYT it being hard makes some people quit lol
@@RybadYT Back then people would get frustrated in raids because they're hard, and now in classic Cata people are getting frustrated all over again over the same bosses lmao
@@Oakwin_mb theres nothing hard there so far
I'm having a blast with Cata. Game feels great. Revamped world levelling is 1000 times better than classic. Endgame content is so good and we know they won't leave it out for 11months like original.
Yeah cata is great.
I was on last night there were like 500 people standing around org... so...
Yeah I'm a bit dissapointed as well.
Not only is it full of bugs still, but it's optimised like absolute dogshit.
People are saying they removed AI upscaled textures. They didn't. They removed the option..the update is mandatory.
One of the biggest selling points of classic for me was the ability to re-experience an old game on newer hardware with minimal performance impacts.
Now sitting in orgrimmar (a densely populated orgrimmar) my fps tanks from 150+ in Wrath, now it's under 50fps standing near the AH/Bank.
After some trial & error trying to fix the issue, disabling add-ons, emptying cache and deleting wtf folder/GPU software update. Nothing fixes it.
I was able to contact a GM & they explained the pre-patch upscaled the textures by somewhat 16x more and that's the culprit.
Otherwise my fps remains similar to Wrath, until the area is populated again.
I never thought a 15+ year old game being re-released would prompt me to want to upgrade my PC again.
What the fuck blizzard. Retail is running more smoothly than this shit now.
Tbh WoW is dead not because of Cata or anything, it is dead because the content is scheduled. I want to play when I can, not find a way to squeze a bit of time. That's why mythic + was such a blast in Legion, no more guilds, just hop on search and find a group to do content. At some point even the most casual guilds become a burden, because life gets pretty random when you actually start living outside your basement.
I get you but 5 man content in wow fucking sucks
I just don't think an MMO is for someone who can't schedule out a couple to a few hours of their week. It requires effort, and if you can't put in the time for that, MMOs are not for you.
@@Austinalien Tbh it's just the raid system that ruins it. Lock outs etc. I was playing Aion back in the day just fine, GW 2 even better in that aspect since you can get almost the best gear in the game with crafting and farming open world. Raiding have too much "work" and very little fun. I've been in a lot of guilds when I had time, from casual to semi-hardcore and I can tell, that you can become forever bench-man by not showing for 2 - 3 raids, because you have to deal with some IRL shit.
@@poorpriest4549 Can relate. I was just recently in a "casual" raiding guild on WoTLK which had a discord room and if you wanted to take a day off you had to report it. I had to take like 2 weeks off the game and stopped showing on raids so they started to spam msgs to me and then I got kicked out. I felt more pressured then I'm in my work place. So fckn toxic.
Everything in life works off a schedule, if you cant fit in a 1-2 hour raid window in your day regardless of random stuff happening then you shouldn't be playing an MMO.
I used to be on PVPRP server, and developing the global combat system, the destructibility of the world, create a more fluid world where factions actually have to maintain control of regions and zones in order for their faction to do raids? Or some other game mechanic.
Funny how Asmon talks about how DBM shouldn't be allowed, but he clearly needs it to do any fight that isn't just face rolling
The raids are harder because using DMB is a thing...
Thats the point. The raids have been designed around players using DBM for a very long time with some raids worse than others.
You're so close to figuring it out.
you're grasping what Asmon's getting at, yet somehow, still not understanding it because ADS.
@@Arthur_Grey34 cata raids are not that hard if you just learn the mechanics. You don't need DBM. but he doesn't even try. It's not like the raids in the recent expansions
Yesterday my group did a test run (officialy we are starting to raid next reset so this was just to get item or two) with 2-3 ppl well below 346. Its an understatement to say we demolished the whole raid. It was so easy i got surprised and somewhat dissapointed since im a private server player on cata till classic came out.
It's nerfed to the ground, otherwise retailers and classic andies would wipe on the adds and cry to blizzard. we can't have that.
I just want to point out this this guy is playing A CHARACTER. He doesn't actually believe the stuff that comes out of his mouth, he just wants the attention. It's like the AVGN and the Nostalgia Critic. Those are personas of James Rolfe and Doug Walker. The "characters" are fictional.
Lmao cope harder lil bro
source: I have a parasocial relationship with this man.
don't smoke out of a pvc pipe kids
Mcconnell exposed at 1:40 😮💨
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that’s hilarious honestly
Lets be honest im only jealous 😂
Never ceases to amaze me how bad classic wow players are, more than one mechanic and they cant grasp it, truly impressive.
Exactly this. Classic players are absolute dullards who don't know what they truly want.
Spoken like a true retail Andy
Id still kill to see retail players try to figure out sunwell
Also, lets not get ahead of yourself here, you couldn't do a single mechanic without an addon or a guide
Not all of us. I completed 7 hc bosses already. Its not that hard at all. Super fun tbh!
As the title says. What were you expecting? Cata basically killed vanilla as well. I watched as servers died and server merging needed to be implimented, guilds disbanded due to lack of numbers and recruits. Was a terrible expac as was every expac after with 1 exception… Legion. While Legion had many issues it was still the only decent expac since WotLK. I’m not talking about the raids mind you. I’m talking about the overall experience of the gameplay and story. While the raids might have been slightly harder in Cata it doesn’t mean the experience was good.
Relasing Cata as classic is the same as old school runescape announcing the evolution of combat update. It's the antithesis of what classic was made for.
"Kill the parasites guys".. fucking stays on boss..
Ranged dps sleeping, melee shouldn't swap to kill it and lose dps... It has quite low hp, though this group had pretty shitty ranged dps overall... Tanks were probably the most awful part, as a former raid leader i know how much it sucks when the tank is so inexperienced and nervous they probably literally are shaking on their chair ignoring ALL commands or advices he is given by the leader. Asmon said to main tank to move Nefarion several time on several attemps from flames, he NEVER did. The off-tanks were also tarded, i could solo tank the adds with my dk, the issue is noob tanks cannot handle collecting more than 1-3 things at maximum at the same time. In cata all tanks already had nice aoe spells to gain aoe+a spell to hit far away targets. They struggle to click the enemy/just using Tab button to scroll through to get to the one you aren't having aggro on and use any spell/taunt to collect it. Also healers were trash, asmon should've give healer for each tank and assign raid healer (+that elemental shaman they had was trash in dps should just maybe go healing and tell them to just heal raid, if they had enough mp/5 on their off spec gear, also that shaman healer they already had was terrible at playing their class and spec already)
@@Gamecontrol. You stand in fire, don't you?
please asmon see this comment , your group is way under geared with classic andys who have no idea how to do mechanics , if u played with decent people it wouldnt be hard at all
you guys are doing wrath dps in cata
Cata is popping off lol wtf you guys hating on?
Right? Grobbulus has been insane and so much wpvp!
IDK lol, 120k or something guilds raided naxx, with 40man each. And like 200 guilds have progged tier11.
@@hasaki_oce4611 "120k or something guilds raided naxx" There probably wasn't even 120k players playing classic at the time, let alone raiding Naxx lmao
@@dontneedtoknowmyname.6828 let alone guilds
@@dontneedtoknowmyname.6828 Eh, phase 1 of WOTLK had lots of players, i remember there being queues on several servers. There was probably close to half a million players at that point, but not 120k guilds.
I actually agree with you. The only expansion out side of tbc that I like is cataclysm. I never mention that, because as you say its so far removed from vanilla that I have a hard time accepting it as the same game. It feels more like wow 2.0 to me than an expansion--and I get that they didn't label it wow 2.0, but look at what they did to the map, talent system, and stat attribution system.
Its much faster pace, and fun to play--but it isn't really an mmo--more of a multi-player version of a real time chrono trigger. As a result, I have a hard time even considering anything cata and beyond as a legitimate wow expansion.
imagine playing Classic the most gatekept and elitist game ever the community is so toxic and meta slaves they ruined the entire game
Hahaha yeah I was thinking about opening up wow and levelling up again but then I remembered wrath and how fucking toxic classic became and turned on fallout 4 instead
Idk if anyone feels this way, but the memories made & experience I had in Vanilla, TBC, WoTLK, and Cata are something I relish and still reminiscence on. I like the idea of playing WoW, but I quit after my life kind of fell to shambles mid Legion and just don't find it fun any longer. Peaked decently high on the ladder w/ 3v3 arena in WoD and called it on that. I still log in every once in a while to look at stuff I have in my bank, like letters sent in the mail between me and my brother and rediscover other sentimental things.
as a vanila player i am glad to still have those good old memories from not playing rereleased classic good old times
Cata didn't kill anything except for people who can't do mechanics. If you want to face roll raids without doing mechanics, vanilla servers are still out there.
this raid group was awfully bad and then blaming the game for hard content well either get good or play Sod then
I’m loving cata classic. I like it a lot more than the previous classic xpacs. I’m mainly a pvper and the PvP is so much more fun, better pacing and better abilities and class design.
Yeah cata is great.
Cata is my favorite expansion and I've been playing since 2006 so I've seen it all.
@@tedk.6420 Same. I've been playing since 05 and cata is my favorite also.
Asmon "Everyone here should know what they are doing"
Warlock seconds earlier who didn't know what a summon was
Warlock was trolling obviously.
Asmon should have calling it what it is, a summoning portal, it's not a stone lmao
Warlocks almost non-existent in Cata. Miserable.
@@Amplifymagic
i can tell you’ve never played wow because almost everyone calls it a stone.
@@mikes.6251 lol no, people call it a closet over a stone.
A big healthstone cookie jar is more likely called a stone than a portal dummy.
cant wait for classic!
The warlocks are in Snutz´s channel not Asmons :D
Hi, I’m a new player and would like to get into Wow classic (i’m not interested in retail)
But I’m kinda lost, do people play Wow SoD or Wow cataclysm? Is it the same?
Nope.
Wow Classic is a term that is confusing, as it refers to both the base game and early expansions.
People used to refer to the base game as Vanilla WoW - until Blizzard re-released it under the name "Classic".
Expansions/versions currently available:
Classic - (Classic Era - only Base game)
Classic - SoD (base game + certain new additions such as raids/dungeons/abilities)
Classic - Cataclysm (The 3rd WoW expansion, after TBC and WoTLK)
Classic - HC (Permadeath)
If you have a LOT of time on your hands, I would recommend Classic Era, the basegame.
If you don't have too much time to play, Classic SoD offers a Classic + experience with faster levelling, more class customization, and content that is new for everyone playing the game wether veteran or new player.
Cataclysm expansion had mixed reviews when it was first released. Many thought of it as the hardest expansion - because it cranked up the difficulty of regular content to a point where many groups kept dying over and over again. It has a good campaign/leveling experience, but i wouldn't recommend it as a place to start.
Hope this helps!
P.S. A subscription gets you access to all of these. All of them are currently equally active, except for Hardcore which has a very small community.
If you want to play Classic Era or Classic SoD, you need to download world of warcraft classic from the Battle-net launcher. Then choose either Era or SoD servers once inside the game.
For Classic Cataclysm, it is seperate download in the launcher.
Have fun.
If you want to play classic and don’t care about retail and haven’t played before just play on a privet server they will prob last longer then the wow classic servers
in europe Miarge server is full of players come there
He’ll I met my best friend of almost 20 years now I think might be 15 forget how long it’s been on a TBC privet server. They are more fun and free for the most part
@@bullwarrk thank you very much for the thorough explanation!
It’s the summer. MMORPG playerbases always die off in the summer. Raid turnover always highest in the summer and Xmas holidays. Add to the fact this current player base is split 6 ways and not enough puggers have hit 85 and done enough heroics to be ready to raid now. He’s just being unrealistic.
TOGC came out in the summer and it had more raiders than ICC.
I Wonder if classic will resette and start on vanilla then tbc and so on until 2-3 expansions away. I rly love the way they have done it.
they might do that... wow 'classic' really ended with WotLK, not sure why blizz went to cata (and probably MoP classic next). They could keep a decent playerbase just rotating from vanilla to wrath.
so classic community is just noobs, thats a main reason why cata is "bad", nice green legs and no food buff and no pots on Nef btw, oh yeah, what a great dps, 11-15k in average
The shoulder and pants don't stack from my observation. I usually keep the shoulders a stun and the pants as a shield or damage increases.
Thanks for reminding me why I quit playing WoW.
You didn’t quit
too hard for you as well? lmao
@@LeesArts More like massive waste of time and energy. The content itself is not difficult at all, especially with the addons available. Being forced to rely on stupid people to raid is what drove me away.
@@BlueEternities sure it is xD
I’ve never even played WoW but every time I hear about the way its raids work I think “who would waste their time doing this”. Everything just seems so tedious and unnecessarily long. @@ambassadoroftheandromedagalaxy
Nice to See Cata classic released, i don't have time anymore for wow, but i did enjoy when i first started playing when Cata launched back in the day. i played a ret paladin on a server called garrosh, don't even know if that server exisits anymore or was merged into a new one, but alot of fond memories of firelands raiding with the Alliance Hellions Guild