Portola PAS 1 assist is actually preset by the Chinese manufacturer quite minimal in comparison, almost one doesn’t feel pedal assist engaged, while PAS2 is more noticeable assist. Climbing more steep gradient needs more torque engagement like PAS4 or 5. In comparison with many e-bikes in this most popular price range Portola allow throttle engagement from the start without PAS turned on. This is a mix bag feature, for experienced e-bike riders it’s definitely a plus, while it could be a safety issue for the unexperienced general public, which could experience a jump-start unaware of touching the throttle thumb button next to the handlebar grip. Since Portola 750W motor is claimed to have only 65nm torque power instead of higher power (65nm is usually the torque for less powerful 500W motors) it becomes obvious that depending on the rider’s weight the torque could not be quite enough when climbing more steep terrain.
The L20 2.0 doesn't have a cadence sensor, it's fitted with a torque sensor so the power delivered is determined by how hard you're pushing through the pedals, not just whether you're turning them. This is supposed to deliver a more typical biking feeling but means you do have to pedal to get assistance unless you just use the throttle.
I have the Engwe L20 2.0 on the way right now. In the FB group, no one seems to know how to adjust the PAS settings so the power distribution is more evenly spaced out between levels. Do you have any additional info on how to customize the settings on that bike? I've done similar adjustments on my Aniioki bike, but I don't know if these LCD menus are standardized or universal at all and I don't want to brick the Engwe by accident... lol. Thanks and great video.
How do they compare to your Lectric 3? If you were buying today which one would you choose? I ordered a Portola because I needed the lightest weight to lift on my own and I’m a 5’6” female
I pedal Portola 60 mi already. The power cut off when braking is a safety feature on almost all e-bikes in this price range of $1K and below. Unfortunately, I experienced a weird problem which I did not experienced with my previous two e-bikes in this price range. While pedaling and after breaking and following brake lever release the torque is not restored as usual. Simply the power stays off and R1U describes that it’s a problem with the brake levers, screw unscrew the hydraulic brakes levers in order to remove the code error 25 Portola generated. You tell me whether this problem should exist on quality e-bike like Ride1Up Portola in first place?
What they forget to tell you is, with all of these small wheel e bikes. Any riding throttle only or electric only drains the battery very fast. I rode my L20 SE on a hard set beach and only got 10 miles before the battery got down to 1 bar. Also because of the small fat tyres both e bikes will be very twitchy at slow speeds.
You don't speak much about about the stock 52v 13ah whereas the Portola is 48v 10ah and cost $100 extra to upgrade also the Engwe is 75 Nm torque opposed to 50 Nm for the Portola so more power for pulling hills. The Portola is $350 more at checkout with a 13ah batt.
I went off of feel. How they both felt when riding. The electric only on the Engwe felt superior to the Portola and I'm sure that's because of the 52 volt. As far as out of the box settings with the Cadence sensor the Portola felt like it was setup better for my liking.
@@MrNigeltree I almost bought the portols allbeit for thier checkout was problomatic at payment,so they lost out and i bought the Engwe,both good value, being a heavy rider the extra power can't hurt.
Nothing shocking in comparison of these two e-bikes as the video presentation title implies. The shocking is one of the ads that stops this e-bike video - The AI Energy investment, the mankind game changer…😇👍 For your info I’d rather use Marc Chaikin time-proven software stock investment predictor than the nice-looking AI-startup presenter in this particular investing ad.
Lol. I know exactly where you live from this video. You're not very far from me. 😊 I have the Engwe and paid only $600 from eBay when they had a code. I really really like the look and color of that other bike. And that rear rack looks 1000x more solid and stronger. But it might be more likely to get stolen. I plan to use my Engwe as a grocery Hauler and it's more boring design might make it less like to get stolen while parked outside stores.
Portola PAS 1 assist is actually preset by the Chinese manufacturer quite minimal in comparison, almost one doesn’t feel pedal assist engaged, while PAS2 is more noticeable assist. Climbing more steep gradient needs more torque engagement like PAS4 or 5. In comparison with many e-bikes in this most popular price range Portola allow throttle engagement from the start without PAS turned on.
This is a mix bag feature, for experienced e-bike riders it’s definitely a plus, while it could be a safety issue for the unexperienced general public, which could experience a jump-start unaware of touching the throttle thumb button next to the handlebar grip. Since Portola 750W motor is claimed to have only 65nm torque power instead of higher power (65nm is usually the torque for less powerful 500W motors) it becomes obvious that depending on the rider’s weight the torque could not be quite enough when climbing more steep terrain.
The L20 2.0 doesn't have a cadence sensor, it's fitted with a torque sensor so the power delivered is determined by how hard you're pushing through the pedals, not just whether you're turning them. This is supposed to deliver a more typical biking feeling but means you do have to pedal to get assistance unless you just use the throttle.
Thank you kindly for the information!
Awesome review, have had my Portola for about a month now and I love it. I'm 5'7 and 148 pounds so I fly down the street.
Thanks for your feedback! The Portola was a lot of fun and seems to be good quality. 👍🏻
I have the Engwe L20 2.0 on the way right now. In the FB group, no one seems to know how to adjust the PAS settings so the power distribution is more evenly spaced out between levels. Do you have any additional info on how to customize the settings on that bike? I've done similar adjustments on my Aniioki bike, but I don't know if these LCD menus are standardized or universal at all and I don't want to brick the Engwe by accident... lol. Thanks and great video.
How do they compare to your Lectric 3? If you were buying today which one would you choose? I ordered a Portola because I needed the lightest weight to lift on my own and I’m a 5’6” female
I would go with the Lectric today because of my height. Otherwise the Portola was my second pick. Congratulations and enjoy your new ebike!
I pedal Portola 60 mi already. The power cut off when braking is a safety feature on almost all e-bikes in this price range of $1K and below. Unfortunately, I experienced a weird problem which I did not experienced with my previous two e-bikes in this price range.
While pedaling and after breaking and following brake lever release the torque is not restored as usual. Simply the power stays off and R1U describes that it’s a problem with the brake levers, screw unscrew the hydraulic brakes levers in order to remove the code error 25 Portola generated. You tell me whether this problem should exist on quality e-bike like Ride1Up Portola in first place?
What they forget to tell you is, with all of these small wheel e bikes. Any riding throttle only or electric only drains the battery very fast. I rode my L20 SE on a hard set beach and only got 10 miles before the battery got down to 1 bar. Also because of the small fat tyres both e bikes will be very twitchy at slow speeds.
You don't speak much about about the stock 52v 13ah whereas the Portola is 48v 10ah and cost $100 extra to upgrade also the Engwe is 75 Nm torque opposed to 50 Nm for the Portola so more power for pulling hills. The Portola is $350 more at checkout with a 13ah batt.
I went off of feel. How they both felt when riding. The electric only on the Engwe felt superior to the Portola and I'm sure that's because of the 52 volt. As far as out of the box settings with the Cadence sensor the Portola felt like it was setup better for my liking.
Portola is actually 65 torque, not 50
@@MrNigeltree I almost bought the portols allbeit for thier checkout was problomatic at payment,so they lost out and i bought the Engwe,both good value, being a heavy rider the extra power can't hurt.
Can a person use either of these e bikes without pedaling at all - strictly electric?
@michaeljohnson309 yes. Both ebikes offer electric only controls.
Nothing shocking in comparison of these two e-bikes as the video presentation title implies. The shocking is one of the ads that stops this e-bike video - The AI Energy investment, the mankind game changer…😇👍 For your info I’d rather use Marc Chaikin time-proven software stock investment predictor than the nice-looking AI-startup presenter in this particular investing ad.
Lol. I know exactly where you live from this video. You're not very far from me. 😊 I have the Engwe and paid only $600 from eBay when they had a code.
I really really like the look and color of that other bike. And that rear rack looks 1000x more solid and stronger.
But it might be more likely to get stolen. I plan to use my Engwe as a grocery Hauler and it's more boring design might make it less like to get stolen while parked outside stores.
@TheEgg185 cool! Yeah I always lock mine up when I go into stores. That's a great price for the Engwe. Definitely a great value at that price 👌
Doesn't one always pedal in circles, by default/definition?
For my definition it meant I am pedaling too hard for the highest gear. Should be a little slower.
So it's a tie when Engwe hit's a grand.