Alien 3: Morons INC. The Hubris of Producers: part 2
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- In our second video of our coverage for Alien 3 we explore the jumbled production of the film from December 1990 to its release in May 1992. We cover the scripts, drama, politics and chaotic filming of the project including the insane egos of some hostile producers.
Oh, and for those who want a good laugh don't forget this videos mispronunciation of enfant-terrible. I just read what I saw in the article and didn't think about it. I don't remember getting good grades when I took French in 1986.
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I agree that Weaver deserves a lot of the blame for Newt and Hicks not returning for Alien3. If you look at her role in Alien: Resurrection, it's like it became a complete vanity project for her. I think it happens to a lot of actors/actresses where they reach a certain level of success and then they start to think that they are beyond criticism and everything is all about them. So I can definitely see her ego getting in the way and that being the main reason she didn't want to share any of the spotlight with Newt and Hicks.
I was 19 when this came out, in 1992, and it completely changed how I viewed movies. Because of Alien3, I realized that I could just ignore sequels to major films if I didn't like them. There was nothing that required me to accept a sequel as a part of the story. So I ejected the film from the canon, in my mind, and focused on the parts of the Alien series that I liked (which only include the first two films, to this day).
Decades later, I did watch the Assembly Cut and I will admit it's a well made movie, with some excellent acting; but I still hate the direction the story took and will never accept it simply because of what they did to Newt and Hicks. If Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection get written out of the continuity by a future story, then I won't shed a tear (well, maybe tears of joy).
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In another video I heard about Weaver's suggestion that Ripley "should have sex with an alien" in Alien Resurrection... That was the moment I realized she went off the deep end.
Giler and Hill, you don't see them screwing each other over for a percentage, just everybody else... These Alien Reviews are excellent, thank you!
Appreciate that, can't wait to explore the film itself in our next video. See you there.
im pretty sure Hill wouldnt jump the gun and put a release date before everything was in place!!!
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 Actually it would be Fox the studio that did that.
How fitting.
pretty asshole move!@@RepresentThis
Our deep dive into the film itself will be up for viewing on Friday, March 8. Hope to see you all there and hope to hear your opinions and takes on the film. I also want to thank all of you for visiting the channel.
l am a simple man, l see good sci fi horror FX and gore, l watch.
OK only one week this time, I think I can make it through the next week, but it will tough
Stoked. This should be required viewing for film students and studio execs on how NOT TO make a movie.
I was a little confused when you talked about Rex's firing you went on to say 'Picket stated he was terminated around the date he completed the screenplay. After Hill's coup d'etat' he went back to Brandywine.' I guess I wasn't sure if you meant Hill went back to his production company or Rex went back to Brandywine. You'll have to forgive me for not knowing whether or not Rex was part of Brandywine.
@@hardmode6082You can see all of that with the first 2, plus you get a good movie.
Salute to you for being brave enough to call out Weaver's role in this entire travesty - which is an angle that I'd been unaware of and I'd not considered the huge amount of agency she commanded with Fox and the execs. Brilliant work btw!
I didnt realize that but how "riplehy" went from scared timid to uber boss lady in less then one frame, I can see that. That when teh movie disentragated into sewer mouthed nonsense.
I've seen this film once. The chaotic maelstrom that surrounded the development and producing of this film is to be expected, once the end-product is seen. I still love the character of Ellen Ripley as presented at the end of Aliens. Sigourney Weaver's interference and manipulation of this work once she was hired almost killed the character of Ripley for me. Alien Resurrection did that. R.I.P.ley
Right? I'm sure this revelation about Weaver and her behavior during this film was new information to a lot of fans and if they got upset over this and pointing out/calling out how she is just as responsible for the shit show just proves how most people have blinders on for actors and certain characters they are known for. I remember the first time I saw Alien 3 as a kid and being livid that Hicks and Newt were killed off as I had read and followed the comics where they survived and become kind of a team. I love how Micheal Biehn found out from a friend that he was dead because they were using his likeness without his permission. Producers/suits and actors with huge egos = production hell and a film being dead on arrival as Alien 3 was and topping it off with that drizzling shits marketing with the first trailer then the next one saying the bitch is back lol I guess technically she was as a queen was inside Ripley 😂
@Workingman22 I honestly don't know why Weaver AND Scott have so much ownership of this film property. After seeing what she did, and what Scott ultimately undid with his two follow ups, have people not learned quality control when spending thus much money, or is it all just a tax write off at this point?!
Considering the production mess, it’s honestly a miracle it did not turn out way worse.
That speaks of David Flincher as a director.
P.S alien 3 is the most over hated entry in the series.
with good cause, it was a horrendous take, gross in fact.
@@Veldtian1In comparison to the previous two Alien movies, maybe, but it was still a decent movie, burdened by setting it in the Alien Universe. The biggest problem was that it was advertised as a sequel to Aliens, when clearly it was no such thing.
That Rex Pickett shoot interview was a ride. Thirty years on but the man just got progressively more and more pissed about the whole thing and he was on board for like a month.
Mark Rosenthal is similarly angry about what happened to *Superman IV* all these years later. That movie is still a sore subject for him.
He shouldn't have sold it and just buried everyone but he ended up going into business for himself and refused to do the job
Killing Newt was an obscenity.
- Alan Dean Foster
And I loved every second of it.
Life isn't fair.
@@freakystyley4000Yeah, sure, but it makes Aliens like worth of nothing. There's enough these "life isn't fair" lessons in Alien series so when you do it too many times, it turns itself into a joke. Like in this case.
Same. Can we resurrect her to kill her off again? For funzies?
The cliché hollywood nuclear family ending is boring
I think the best thing to do is just 'forget' Alien 3 and the forget it EVER happened. We got two brilliant movies - Alien and Aliens and then greed and apathy took hold and even with the best efforts of some amazing talent like Fincher, even he couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Yeah, exactly the same with Terminator series. Everything after T2 is just trash.
Great work in unpacking this cluster f#%k of a movie production. Especially in calling out Weaver for her role in it. This Alien franchise has never recovered from this entry. It’s amazing that the film is even half decent, but you can thank Fincher, as well as a capable cast for that.
Absolutely no-one blames Fincher for the fiasco that was Alien 3
"Absolute Power Corrupts (Walter Hill) Absolutely."
Exactly what I was thinking.
After Alien Resurrection I said the worst thing to happen to Alien was keeping Sigourney Weaver in the mythos. I did not know how right I was. Thanks for the info.
Worst until Ridley Scott said "hold my beer"
Fuck.... I had NO CLUE Weaver strong armed the production so much. I still dig the finished product and such, still... damn.
Looking forward to the deep dive on the film itself!!! You have a new subscriber XD
Welcome to the channel. Look forward to your future thoughts as well.
I always suspected Weaver had more pull on the film than people were letting on. Agreeing to the death of Hicks and Newt and the trashing of Bishop now makes more sense if she wanted the movie to be primarily (maybe solely) focused on her. It also darkly hints at how she carried Ripley's torch into Resurrection, even though the character was killed-off in 3.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at Weaver given the general ego that comes with the average Hollywood superstar. Hell, maybe she's on the more angelic end of the scale.
yeah I suspected this years ago when she seemed very comfortable making strange dremands and ultimatums regarding the story and direction of Alien 3. Like no guns, no survivors that could possibly share the spotlight from Aliens. I think she was having an ego trip at the time thinking the alien movies was about the inner world of Ripley insted of an awesome cast in an awesome creepy movie about an alien monster.
@@daverudaI'm also disappointed with Walter Hill, someone who I thought was one of the good guys in Hollywood, but who seemed to be nothing more than a selfish carpetbagger on the Alien films. After watching these two deep-dives, it's no wonder Fincher wouldn't talk about his experience for years and I'm amazed he didn't simply leave the project before a frame a film was shot (maybe the sunk cost fallacy at play).
I just cannot imagine what sort of coke was being passed-around at the time. Both Alien and Aliens were wild wrt the Space Jockey and xeno, but were still fairly grounded and played straight. Alien 3 comes around and suddenly we're considering monks living on a wooden planet, space pirates, and a pathogen that literally turns people into aliens in a matter of seconds?
The whole thing was a bad idea from almost page 1 of the first script draft. And then we got the bonkers Resurrection, where Weaver made Ripley into a ghoul of the character. They (unfortunately) made Prometheus and Covenant look like high art.
Don't talk about my queen
Fincher came back with Fight Club. Everything about that movie erased the egos of the actors.
Alien 3 represents something of a dress rehearsal for the abuse that franchises would take in the coming decades, first as sequels and remakes in the 1990s and 2000s, then as reboots in the 2010s.
Killing Hicks and Newt at the beginning of the film is probably the biggest "shit the bed" moment in Hollywood history.
It's up there with killing off John Conner in the first five minutes of terminator: dark fate.
I beg to disagree :
The ALIEN-movies are Ripley's story alone.
Also, how was this suppose to work? The Ripley-Family against the Alien? Basically a ALIENS 2.0...
Lastly who wants to see an underaged girl amongst prisoners and rapists.
I might be a minority, but offing Hicks and Newt showed straight-away that noone is safe. And I like that a lot...
@@this_is_who_we_are sigourney wanted to be killed off anyways. I liked the idea of hicks taking over for the third movie. Biehn always got the shit end of the stick.
@@voorheethat is only worse because they purposely did that as a fuck you to fans. To be fair Terminator is sarah connors story.
Dark fate is when i lost all faith in James Cameron.
I almost walked out immediately after ascertaining this. And shame on me for not following my instincts. 😮
I still find it hard to believe that a studios best idea of capitalising on public desire for alien movies was to waste money and time, before deciding on killing all main characters and bringing the franchise to an abrupt end.
They've been run by idiots for some time, but hey, Prometheus laid all of our concerns to rest, right... RIGHT? :P
@35:30 American pronunciation of ' enfant terrible ' made my croissant burst into flames. Love this series of videos - very theraputic.
Charles Dutton is an was the best most memorable character in this movie
It's funny because I can remember the characters in both Alien and Aliens, but most of the characters in this movie were forgettable and it's a shame. Thanks one more time and definitely looking forward to part 3!
Off the top of my head: doc Clemens, Dillon, brother Golic, brother Morse, 85... yeah I'm missing several, this has to do with repeat watchings more than being forgettable I think
Christ I can't remember the name of the superintendent
I really like Alien 3 the assembly cut. Alien 3 is just so fascinating with all of the backstory it has. Great stuff!
What Walter Hill allegedly did is so bizarre. He's a legendary writer and director, and apparently he's helped and mentored many young filmmakers. It doesn't gel with what he did here and in other alien movies at all.
Didn’t want to make the film. The story should have ended with Aliens.
I'd take it with a pinch of salt, especially coming from that Pickett fella who seems lke the type to exaggerate things.
I agree, Weaver seems like a real 'C'.
I think it would had been worth to talk about the problems with the Alien itself. HR Giger was contracted to redesign the creature and design some other new things, like an aquatic facehugger, and an "alien skin". The thing is, in the chaos, the sfx team started doing their own interpretation of Giger's ideas, making the Alien more organic and changing the design, cutting out many ideas (like that the Alien would have a movable head, retractable claws, feminine lips, and make sounds like a pipe organ or a sax), which angered Giger. On top of it, the producers didn't gave him the propper credit for his work on the film, so he couldn't get a second Oscar nomination, nor the deserved publicity to his art works. I didn't knew that Sigourney had made the filming worse, it was a very bad situation to David Fincher. But I like the film. I was shocked with what happened to Newt and Hicks, but seeing the final film, I think it wasn't such a terrible idea.
I considered going over the Giger stuff and the FX's lack of money thanks to the pre-production mess but at two hours I needed to cut some of the material and alas the Giger issues didn't make it. Sorry about that wish missed.
That's not quite right (mostly because in the original Alien many concepts got rejected in the spot, like the vaginal shaped opening of the eggs), regardless the guys behind the VFXs for Alien 3 explain what happened from their perspective in this video: th-cam.com/video/e7T2s0yDWWQ/w-d-xo.html
The Alien 3 part starts at 14:10
@@PointReflex Thank you. I've already seen that video, it's more modern than several of the Alien 3 making-of videos. In my opinion, they now say that so they don't look so bad. But in Giger's website he descibed a far more contempuous attitude from them during the 90's. You can read the following text in Giger's website: "What perplexed Giger, however, was that Gillis and Woodruff, who were responsible for the execution and mechanization of the creatures, said on the telephone that they had their own interpretation as far as the ALIEN design was concerned. Giger, who received an Oscar for his ALIEN creatures, believed the only concern was the interpretation approved by Fincher in Giger’s sense (For Giger, there was only one interpretation, which he assumed Fincher shared, namely: the most precise possible execution of Giger’s plans). In IMAGI-MOVIES magazine from spring of 1994, (also avaliabe in Giger's website) you can read this: "The artist was perplexed, however, when Tom Woodruff and Alec Gillis of Amalgamated Dynamics, the company responsible for the execution of the creature, told Giger that they had their own design. "The Alien has been my baby," Said Giger. "So when I was asked to change the creature into a less humanoid beast, I hoped that my decisions would be done without other ideas. I thought, since I got an Oscar for my Alien, it would be me who gave advice on how it would look. When Woodruff and Gillis said they had their own ideas, I was very upset." (...) He had not been told that ADI had been contracted not only for the execution of the new Alien but for its design as well. "David Fincher neglected to inform me that Woodruff and Gillis were also contracted to take care of the redesign of the Alien - I found out much later," Giger recounts. "I thought I had the job and that Woodruff and Gillis would work from my plans. On their side, they were convinced that it was their job and accepted my 'suggestions' with pleasure. They believed that all my effort was based on a huge love for the matter, because I worked hard even after my contract was over." Looking back, Giger believes that Fincher, a newcomer to the franchise, ultimately relied on advice from Woodruff and Gillis because of their experience with Stan Winston on ALIENS. "I can understand that they would not have wanted me as their 'boss' - I know it's probably not everybody's wish to work with me," he laughs. "Because they worked longer on it, they could do their own things, so it was not necessary after the first month to engage me any more." Some of Gills and Woodruff's claims on the newer video goes more or less the same they said in the past, but now both sound less disdainful, when they talk about the series numbers engraved on the tubes and the other mechanical parts. So I imagine there are two options here: one, that they are now somewhat more humble. Or two, that people's reaction has been more hostile over the years and now they say so to do a late damage control.
@@mikesantillanmx5530I don't think it is damage control since every time I saw them talking about the Alien they were very found of Giger's design and I think it was in Aliens that they didn't want to follow Cameron's approach of changing the head of the Xeno because they didn't want to move away from the original design.
As for Alien 3, both Giger and ADI got contracted for the creature, Giger for concept and ADI for construction, and I think the overall hate from Giger comes from one particular moment. ADI was producing the final version of the adult creature while Giger was designing the newborn, when Woodruff called him to get some info on this, Giger told him he built the creature in his house and was more than ready to ship it if they paid for it (something they never agreed on).
ADI didn't had near the budget for the shipping so Woodruff told him "no thanks" and I think it was precisely this what broke the relationship. In another of their videos (at StudioADI's channel) Woodruff talks about this in more detail and how he regrets they didn't had the money to bring import the creature to the US (which I couldn't find). Regardless if my memory serves me, the Giger design for the newborn was built by ADI and got rejected by Fincher. So even if they paid for it, it would have been rejected by Fincher, as every design Giger made for Alien 3.
I always thought Aaron's lack of an arc and quick, unceremonious death at the last possible second felt strange and empty. This information makes that all make sense now. Nice!
Excellent work.
I have a theory that part of Alien 3's script problems come from the era - in the late 80s/early 90s it was *really* fashionable to mix gory full-on violence with humour - obviously Tarantino but also the Coens, Lynch etc. And I think that crept into the A3 scripts because they all have that slightly glib ironic tone - death by toilet seat being the best/worst example - and never shook it off. And I think Fincher to a degree contributed to that - Fight Club and Seven both do this really well, but in the context of an alien film it just doesn't work. I remember watching A3 in the cinema, and when Brian Glover gets sucked into the ceiling the audience laughed; then when the guy reacts with "Facck!" they were howling; then the cut to a guy nervously mopping the floor and looking up at the hole in the ceiling - the laughter was deafening. It was like watching a really good comedy. And from that point on I don't think anyone could take the rest of the film seriously, no matter how good some of it was.
Looking forward to the next episode.
Interesting theory. Thanks for sharing your views.
Thank you so much for explaining why I saw this movie 1 time in 1993 at the cinema and never saw it again.
Finally!! Been waiting for pt 2, thanks dude!
Same here, first part was fantastic
@xfragboix agreed, I new A3 was a shitshow but not an absolute shit superbowl
Your Alien reviews are spot on. You have to feel sorry for fincher, all that studio interference. However i found the extended cut of Alien 3 is a lot better. Supporting cast, Charles Dance, Raplh Brown, Brian Glover and Paul Mgann deserve alot more credit.👍
It’s miraculous Fincher’s career survived this and also thrived.
Too bad the same thing can't be said about Richard Stanley and his Island of dr Moreau
@@KinoNowejPrzygody Now that was a real mess.
@@RepresentThis Yes there is also another strange connection between Alien 3 hell development and Island of dr Moreau - producer Tim Zinnemann was attached to these projects at some point in time.
Since I was a kid I watched Alien movies, my favorite are Aliens and Alien ³
Alien ³ struck something with me specially, it's mood, the cinematography, the amazing score by Goldenthal, it's everything, but when I got the Quadrology Blu ray Box set and saw all the extras I was blown away about the creation and shooting of Alien ³ and all the behind the scenes
I stumbled across the first video and I absolutely LOVE the research job you did for Alien ³, you added so many new things for me, I have been waiting for pt. 2 and this just makes my Friday a whole lot better, your videos will require multiple views for me as all the information is so rich
The Giller/Hill Thailand anecdote was a jaw drop... Speechless
Please keep making these kinds of videos I truly appreciate all your hard work
Another amazing though is that Sigourney could have made this a lot better, I totally agree on that, and how she handle on set... Wow... That 90's star power
Can I leave a suggestion? I think you would make a nice cool video to pick apart the Workprint of Alien³ and all the difference between the theatrical and assembly cut
Just a fan from your channel
Cheers from Argentina! Keep up the amazing work!!!
Argentina, wonderful, so glad to have you. In the retrospective video we will be talking about several workprint scenes. We will cover major differences like we would deleted scenes in most of our videos so it looks like some of your wish will come true. See you next Friday.
@@RepresentThis Oh man! That's awesome! I also hope to see a retrospect on Alien Resurrection (with your amazing research details) to add more to the behind the scenes stories.
See you Next Friday! Beyond stoked!
The Assembly Line cut is the superior version. It's not Alien or Aliens but it's probably the 3rd best in the series.
Its still shit man
Thank you! Great series.
I hope all is well sir! I personally truly appreciate your perspective and analysis on all videos. Keep doing your thing and take care!!
Kudos my friend! 👏🏾 From what I've read and from what I've seen and heard from you as well as other attributes this tells it all Thank you for letting this out! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 Cannot wait to see more in the future
Fantastic couple of videos here, sir. Can't wait for part 3.
Lovely series, man. Look forward to the next installment. Appreciate your work!
I only discovered your channel a couple of days ago but I've already worked through your Alien Resurrection videos and now I'm getting through your Alien 3 vids. I've seen plenty of documentaries and video essays on these films over the years, especially Alien 3, given the notoriety of it's production Hell, but you deserve high praise and congratulations for your take on it. Very informative, very well presented, and very in depth. I've subscribed, and I wish you the very best of luck in regards to growing your channel. Excellent work!!!
Thanks Ryan, we are glad to have you here and we intend to keep chugging out material. Sooner or later, we will cover all the alien/predator content, so we hope to see you and your comments in the future.
This is fascinating, I would love to see more deep dives like this on more notorious films in the future
Wow, hats off! I have seen your documentations about the franchise and I am deeply grateful for this insight! Having watched the making offs probably more often than the actual movies I believed to know a bunch about the crafty side of the production but I didn't know that much about the political one. Leachers like Secretary-Suzanne and incompetence at almost any step undermining vision and craftsmanship. Surprised but also not really surprised that it seems to have always been this way.
terrific follow up! Utterly interesting, most stuff new to me , thanks for your hard work!
Great breakdown, thanks!
Honestly, I didn't hate Alien 3. I saw it in theatres and it had this gothic vibe. Charles S. Dutton was brilliant in it. The one thing they could have done that would have actually saved Alien 3 and still kept the vibe was instead of Hicks and Newt dying.... Only Ripley and Bishop are ejected. Ripley's still impregnated, that stays. And the movie can more or less play out like it did but at the end it's Bishop II, and Hicks (Newt is at home, SAFE) and they're pleading with Ripley but she goes ahead and makes her sacrifice. No last minute chest burst jumpscare. It would have been a lot better that way. Basically Assembly cut but Hicks and Newt live.
Really great videos! Love the deep dive into the making of the film. I think I might re-watch Alien 3 before watching your next ones, since it's been quite a few years!
Thanks, I'd be interested in your opinions on our conclusions of the film.
I never fail to enjoy your views on these Alien movies. Another great video, thank you.
Outstanding job on this retrospective. Bravo 👏
Good job covering this. This covered more than the making of feature on The Blu Ray.
Hi! Just wanted to say: thank you! Your channel is one of a few I actually enjoy watching on TH-cam. In the age of content mills, it's good to see somebody who still cares about giving their opinion on movies.
With regard to Alien 3, you are doing God's work with your series. This is easily the most informative and comprehensive docu take on the film I have ever seen.
Well there is plenty coming as I have a video a week this month. Speaking of that I better get back to work! :)
This has become my favorite film in the franchise because of how interesting the chaotic production was.
I happen to agree that this Alien film is the most interesting when it comes to the production.
They took a hit franchise and chopped it up, shit on it, pissed on it, served it up as a 4 star meal, and then were surprised when no one liked it
Great vids!! Thanks 💯👍
Fantastic video, as expected! Looking forward to what you have to say in the third video!
Thanks for video, a really fascinating story
Wow, Alien 3 was ahead of it's time in terms of studio and executive interference lol
I saw it once, in the theater when it came out. That was at least one time too many. When people want to talk about _Alien3,_ I say, _"Alien3?_ What _Alien3?_ What are you talking about? There was no _Alien3._ No. *THAT. DIDN'T. HAPPEN."*
_Alien_ was really good. _Aliens_ was, in some ways, even better. Then _this_ slimy, noisome turd was shat forth to slap wetly steaming into cinemas everywhere.
I never bothered to watch any subsequent _Alien_ content after that until I checked a copy of _Prometheus_ on DVD out of the library several years ago. I assumed that with Ridley Scott back at the helm the ship would be righted and clipping along on an even keel once more. How wrong I was. My own fault. Fool me twice, shame on me.
You weren’t fooled, you just didn’t like the movies. I hate when say “Fool me once” or some shit like what you said. There’s no fault on either side.
Great work again. looking forward to the next part....it keep it right up.
Golic looked like he ate too much garlic.
At least he didn't speak Galic
It's amazing what actually came out despite egos of the producers and star lead trying to sabotage the film and the clusterfuck of a gauntlet the script went through .
Some really excellent performances from the supporting cast, very memorable atmosphere and sets from the production crew, a fantastic score, and maybe the most iconic scene from the series with the xenomorph and ripley face to face; which fincher chose to shoot it despite being told not to.
Great videos. Thanks 👌
This is Top Tier Content
Fantastic doc - thank you so much for this. I watched Alien 3 at the cinema in 1992 and I was utterly gutted that it was so bad compared to the first 2 films. Its a deep disappointment that I still have today and every time I attempt to re watch it in the vain hope I might find something I like over 30 years later - I fail and just feel so let down. Walter Hill and David Giler - shame on you.
Score. Thanks for making my Friday!
absolute top notch channel & videos 🔥
41:23 It's an interesting trainwreck of a movie and even if you had not heard about all the development hell before seeing it like I had, you would figure out that something had going wrong during production just by comparing it to the two other films in the series by that point.
How was Newt supposed to return when it was 5 years later, and she was 5 years older? Recasting would be very odd.
Mas allá de todo lo sucedido no deja de ser una buena secuela, no hay que compararla con sus antecesoras ya que plantea un giro violento en la historia y una situación inesperada, el hecho de que mueran Hicks y Newt es un recurso que te sume en una desolación terrible y llama tu atención de entrada, hay que analizarla por separado, de esta manera se aprecia que a pesar de todos sus problemas, esto demuestra lo buen director que era y es Fincher ya que la película transmite cosas. Su fotografía es muy buena y el film transmite desesperanza, por momentos pena, cuando Ripley muere se me partió el corazón, sentimientos que la franquicia antes no nos había dado.
This is great, keep it up.
Way back when I thought A3 was a strange beast. Heard about Fincher's struggles with it later, and that gave the film a sour note for me.
Gave it a re-watch when The Assembly Cut came out and, frankly, after Alien Resurrection I thought A3 is pretty damned good, all things considered.
Actual a better film most people think. Not the blockbuster people wanted but a film with insight and humanity.
I saw Lance Henriksen said that he didn't know if his character at the end of the film was a android or a human.
I love Alien 3 but I see the problems with it and why people don't like it. There's a truly great film in there trying to get out, I think. Fincher showed flashes of who he would become and if he'd been left alone and not second guessed all the time, Alien 3 could have been one of the all time great directorial debuts.
You love Alien 3. really? that's a movie you love so much? phhwow
@@jonathandewberry289 Is that alright by you?
@@thejonner2036 No. I think you need to reassess your life and how you see the world around you. You don't just show up and say something like that.
"I love Alien 3 but..".
No. no you don't. Your ole love eh? Hehe funny this video came up because one of the things you love? good ole Alien 3. but hey.. you're not so blinded by your love of Alien 3 you can't see some of her quirks and why she's not for everyone.
Oh and 'Fincher showed flashes of who he'd become..'
Yuck on this, No, this is NOT ok with me and it better stop being okay with you.
"I love Alien 3 but.." don't you ever do that again.
@@jonathandewberry289 Grow up, you stupid little bell end.
@@jonathandewberry289 Whatever you say.
just a quick correction: at around 35:30, you misread what Sigourney Weaver wrote by narrating it as "infant (pause) terrible". but it's a French expression that Weaver is using (notice the spelling?), "Enfant terrible" that has inferences of "mad genius" to it. Whether Weaver fully understood the meaning of the expression she used is another question.
We often refer to mavericks in the arts as an "enfant terrible of..." (insert the particular artistic discipline.) So Pablo Picasso was an enfant terrible of the art world, Strawinski was an enfant terrible of the classical music world, and so on.
Great video, by the way.
I'm greatly saddened to see that Sigourney Weaver was so unpleasant. And Fincher was truly treated like crap by the studio.
As much as I love Weavers acting in so many films, we must remember she's a person with the same sh*tty flaws that so many of us have. Never mistake your screen idols with perfection. They are people and are as petty and sh*tty as the local gas station attendant.
I fully agree that Sigourney could in fact have championed a different approach, but she protected Hill & Giler, while I appreciate loyalty you gotta wonder about discernment... a true friend would tell you if your work was crap. or maybe she had bought into the pee-on-the-wall concept and just wanted to move on... I love the mood of Alien3, but hate many of the choices made. scripting choices of the producers, obviously...
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Killing Hicks and Newt was a brilliant move in hindsight. It straight away tells you this is NOT the film you wee expecting. Extremely ballsy move. Ripley's story was never gonna have a happy ending :'(
A lot of folks share your thoughts Karl.
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Just listening to the last 10 minutes of this video and hearing Fincher's opinions and defense against Fox executives is great! Because when we flash forward to today and see the amazing work David Fincher has created, it's like a pleasant "O ye of little faith" nod to executives. Sometimes... SOMETIMES, there are creative minds that come along and have impeccable vision that shouldn't be stifled. It's within that principle that we get artists/creators that stand apart from the "crowd" and give us something remarkable. 🤔
I saw alien 3 for the first time in 20 years. Its actually a fantastic film thats ahead of its time. Ripley and the inmates remind me of Furiosa and the war boys in Mad Max
i always really liked this movie....a lot.
Brilliant.
I think a guy pissing up a wall might be better, some would certainly say so, than the final release... Still, it's nice to know such sentiments are no longer with us, eh, GameFreak? Jus makes me think of Nostalgia Critic's review of Lost World: Jurassic Park:
"You know that part in the first film where the T-Rex ate the lawyer? I would pay to watch that for two hours instead of this mess!"
Or was it Jurassic Park III...? The film cobbled together from plot beats from Michael Crichton's two books that were not used in the films! (Fun Drinking Game: Take a drink every time one such plot point pops up!)
Cool. Watch hours of your videos today and then this pops up. Well happy.
Wow. I'm actually really disappointed in Weavers behaviour throughout the production. In other interviews she's always seemed quite approachable but it seems quite egotistical amd childish behind the scenes. This was a long time ago and of course we don't have any idea if she was perhaps going through some personal issues at the time. I just hope for her sake this was just a bad phase in her life and she matured and moved forward from it.
I read an account many years ago that Sigourney Weaver would only return for a third Alien movie if not only there weren’t any guns, but that she was the sole character carried over from the last film. I completely agree that she was ultimately solely responsible for Hicks and Newt being killed off. Also, great video as was Part 1. Subscribed.
I share the opinion the HAcks and Newt should've survived, but I can understand that Newt's actress probably grew up a lot between movies, and it brings its own share of problems.
I like that Newt and Hicks died at the start. It continued a trend of loss that Ripley experienced in this hostile, unforgiving universe.
Alien: Ripley lost her coworkers/friends, but at least she escaped with a hope of going home to family and a world where her skills were still valuable.
Aliens: Hope is immediately dashed, as she discovers that she's been in cryostasis for 57 years. Her family's likely dead, her skills are obsolete, and her reputation is trashed. But at least she can hope for a new family (with Hicks as a mate, and Newt as an adopted daughter).
Alien 3: Hope is immediately dashed AGAIN!
Yet despite all these horrific losses that would break most people, Ripley retained good moral character. She continued to try to save her fellow man, to the degree that she was willing to sacrifice herself.
Thank you. I will never understand the crying about Hicks and Newt. First of all, it's a horror movie, second, Ripley losing everything is absolutely the most interesting aspect of this movie and the character. And the guerilla filmed scene is by far the best part of the movie. Tonally, I prefer this one way more than Aliens.
Hollywood is such a machine and egos and hubris are a dangerous spanner in the works. It’s so petty and child like. I almost wish for the days where I used to think making movies was fun for all involved, a laugh, a great time.
Gosh there was potential for Hicks and maybe Newt to continue the franchise after Ripley’s death or departure at some point.
I fully expected them to be picked up by another military vessel - taken to a colony or space station and shenanigans ensue.
Then I watched it. Ship blows up, shuttle crashes on prison planet, Hicks and Newt were dea…I was out. Was months until I finished it and it wasn’t worthy for Alien or worth my time.
As I said before, a good movie starts with a good story worth telling and a good script. _Alien 3_ had neither of these. It was just a growing snowball of accumulated bad ideas, forced to keep rolling down an ever-increasing hill of money.
How did no one ever stop, look at the script, and ask _"why?!"_ and then start over to come up with a story that anyone would actually _want_ to see? Instead we got a movie cobbled together out of bad ideas.
I saw this opening weekend , I walked out of this movie mad as hell at the end of it.
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Thanks to James Cameron and Aliens, Fox, Giler and Hill had one of the greatest, most promising movie franchises in history, and they flushed it down the toilet
I’d argue they were never going to have something that hit with the same impact as the first two, regardless of what they did.
I spend more time watching behind the scenes then movies now adays oh well I'm having fun thanks for the video. Even as a little kid I just had a lot of questions about this movie like why?
My god, the way Ralph Brown got bullied by Weaver is really sad 😢, what happened to him is what happened to me when I played Russian Mafia Boss in Last Kung Fu Monk, when I finished my lines some co worker would step in and shout at my face after every takes, it became so brutal even a girl who played one of my hostages in that scene told him to back off or to leave me alone. It’s crazy that Ralph Brown had same experience as I had, but the difference is the one who attacked me was a nobody and Ralph was attacked by Sigourney Weaver , someone who has a stardom.
I wonder what movie Fincher would have made without the studio in the way
I love these videos. Great research.
I watched all the official making ofs and came away feeling Hill and Giler were dicks. I recently watched an Alien doc and thought ok maybe i’ve been a little unfair. Thanks for bringing me back. In the end they did produce two excellent movies. Maybe they are given too much credit maybe not. But watching the making ofs they just seem disingenuous and greasy.
Other than Biehn politely talking about Sigourney essentially getting rid of him, i’ve not seen much about how terrible she was on this film. She is always kinda portrayed as a champion of the film and Fincher.
Great job!
Yeah, when I researched the cast interviews, I felt really bad about the Sigourney revelations because I love her work so much. It doesn't detract from her work only the idolization I invested in her. I wasn't sure how folks would react to it when I posted the video. I thought I would be burned as a heretic but so far, no burning pyres have been lit and most seem to share my own views about it.
Even as a kid growing up and watching Giler talk on the alien quadrilogy dvd specifically on Alien 3 you could tell he was a hack and a smug jackass just the way he spoke during all 4 makings of specials. I do love Alien 3 though as its own film in the series and the score is my favorite of all the films. Also I applaud you for rightfully pointing out that Weaver 100% does deserve a lot of the blame and it's nice to see a critique of the shit show that was the production of Alien that points out how she also ridiculed her cast mates on set she definitely could have made Hicks and Newt survive as they did in the comics. If you got negative comments for pointing out that Weaver along with Hill & Giler is just as responsible for this film production then so be it as those folks do not understand film making and are likely just Sigourney fan boys and fan girls, fuck em let them hate you did a great job with this and showing how bad studio/producer interference can be on a film and how they fuck it all up. It's such a common occurrence especially now it's not hard to tell when you see a modern film that the "suits" stuck their noses where it didn't belong. I love that you added the quote about fox being number 1 but their all morons from Fincher...a nice bow on the top of the presentation.
Good video. I must have done nine videos of my own on why I think Alien3 is an abysmal failure. I look forward to your next one.
I'll check out your vids tonight and hope others who see your comment do so as well. Thanks for checking out our channel.
@@RepresentThis Cheers. They're not as concise as yours, just off-the-cuff thoughts but a few of them did okay.
This insight into the machinations of producers/studio execs, rewrites and infighting, explains why many movies turn out to be 'less than the fans anticipated'. Frankly, it's a wonder how any movies turn out to be even adequate. I have to applaud George Lucas' method of keeping as much control to himself. Lord knows what would have happened to the original Star Wars if the studio execs had wrested control of the story and production from him. Sometimes there's no substitute for the 'auteur' method.
Preach.
Didn’t exactly work for the prequels, lol
@@jonathanbirch2022 Whatever you think of the prequels, George's sets didn't have this type of chaos behind the scenes.
@@21stcenturyhiphop So? Prequels are still bad or even worse than Alien 3.
@@21stcenturyhiphop maybe they would’ve been better if they did have more chaos. The original Star Wars was a notorious nightmare to film and was almost a disaster