@@Sammo212 which Ridley Scott mistake are you talking about… retroactively making Deckard a Replicant? Thinking that scientist would never be cautious about landing on an alien world, or learn how to run away from a falling object…, making the source of the Force being due to midichlorians? Oh wait… nevermind on the last one ;)
It’s also okay to have loved Hicks and Newt, and be okay with their deaths. In fact, loving them makes their deaths more impactful. Alien 3 is a nihilistic film set in a nihilistic universe; it’s perfectly reasonable that beloved characters should die. Fincher wanted to give us a gut punch, and why shouldn’t he? Isn’t this a fitting series for one?
I don't think that was Fincher's call. The producers didn't even want to bring back Ripley initially because she was too expensive. I don't think Fincher could have got the producers to bring back the other two actors if he'd tried.
@@cheezemonkeyeaterno one would watch it without Rickey. I know I sure turned off find the people I cared about killed off acreen and a bunch of identical British skinheads in the sark doesn’t make a good movie
I firmly believe it's a great film, truly art, in spite of its numerous flaws and incompleteness. Great way beyond the cinematography and art direction, which are of unreal quality , but also extending to the muted performances, the tone of bubbling under dread, and a theme which mulls over the point of existence itself. I do get that the thing is awfully flawed, and sometimes bits of dialogue really hurt to hear, but overall there's an existential swing-for-the-fences quality that for me allows it to transcend the limitations. It's a personal preference, but I always dig a movie that fails reaching for something high than one that perfectly executes polite mediocrity. And don't think it's ultimately too much about the alien creature itself, but a contemplation on death/birth cycles, hope vs nihilism, and most importantly the limits of the human spirit. After the fairy tale redemption of James Cameron's Aliens, all of that is ripped away from Ripley in the opening minutes of A^3. Prayers are uttered, the question is literally asked "do you have any faith?" (to which she responds "I'm not sure"), and Ripley plays with the idea of a simultaneous suicide-abortion in the 3rd act (you will not find too many blockbuster franchises toying with or even acknowledge this kinda stuff!). So, when everything is taken away, even the promise of a happy ending, Ripley (and us) are left with a question: Is anything whatsoever still worth it? "We're all gonna die," Dillon says, "only difference is how you check out." These condemned forgotten men and a doomed and abused woman all decide that how they live, fighting to save the universe, is ultimately worth more than preserving their lives and leaving the problems up to others to resolve - simply because they believe it. I LOVE the final montage of all the empty rooms being locked and boarded up, rooms that once served purposes, now just shells; they were the stages that set the story we witnessed, now empty as the company evacuates and we as audience move on - empty of purpose like the bodies that fell fighting, like every life in the end. If nothing can matter in the end, why do anything? They answered: because it's not about the end, it's about right now.
Will always love Alien 3. Regardless of flaws, it is one of the greatest directing debuts ever, heralding a visual master craftsman. It is all the more commendable considering everything he went through. One thing about Newt: Who would moaners cast to replace her given the 6-year gap between films and Henn's lack of interest in acting?
It didn’t have to be someone famous. Why do you think it will be difficult to cast a blonde girl with a British accent? I would not say I hated alien 3… just that it felt like a series of poor choices. You could’ve written a story around the premise they had. For whatever reason, though, they just decided to tell a fairly mediocre prison story with a creepy rationale that could have fit into pretty much any horror movie . And The creature effects were frankly terrible compared to even the first film. Which is inexcusable because there really isn’t a lot of scenes with the creature.
Newt goes to live with her relatives (offscreen) while Ripley, Hicks, and (a rebuilt) Bishop are sent to a new planet where aliens have already been discovered, thus avoiding all the problems with Alien 3's script. See how easy that was? 😃
Nice! This actually brought up a lot of stuff I didn't even really notice/think about. I never noticed how thrown together that opening sequence really was, was always too distracted by how beautifully it was shot XD Also love that you're focusing on every inmate with screen time, and not just the main players. Every character in Alien 3 serves a purpose, I loved your response to the criticism that it's just a buncha bald guys, because that really is bullshit. Can't wait for part 2!
I can explain originally there wasn’t supposed to be an egg fox added it in the reshoots told fincher and the producers to add it in. A lot of the opening had to be cut so it seems disconjoined the sulaco exploding was supposed to be filmed but was cut from production all together because of budget reasons. Fox took over and the film was being rewritten as its filming fox telling the producers what to write
7:17 Bishop's Overridden protocol, by WY is the most plausible.. He is afterall still an android and can be controlled , if Weyland Yutani deems it so.. Call it a Fail safe to insure the mission is a success... Kinda Mirroring RoboCop 1 with his 4th prime directive..
Fincher was spot on, this movie demands rewatches to fully appreciate it. I hated it when I first watched it in theaters. Didn’t give it a second chance until the Assembly Cut came out. Since then I’ve rewatched both cuts many many times. This movie is kinda brilliant.
"Killing Hicks and Newt was necessary" No it wasn't. If they didn't want them in Alien 3 they could have just set it years after Aliens and have them have separate lives somewhere else while Ripley gets sucked into the adventure some other way.
Even if you made that people would complain among the lines: "you destroyed the family!, how dare you!" and we would be in the same place. Killing them both in Alien 3 served for the fatalist atmosphere of the entire film and the alien creature itself, think about it like: "there are no happy endings, nor lucky escapes, it is a nightmare which will live alongside you", which ties up with the fact that the last original xeno batch got destroyed alongside the last person who was in contact with it.
@@PointReflex "Killing them both in Alien 3 served for the fatalist atmosphere of the entire film" That is the problem in a nutshell. No one wanted a "fatalist" Alien movie in the first place.
@@AndyDandyMandy Alien is a fatalist film since only one of them survive, same with Alien 3, all got wiped out except for one. So to say "nobody wanted that" kinda means "everyone wanted another generic action film with the family together."
@@PointReflex Alien is not a fatalist movie at all. At the end of the day, Ripley made it out alive and persevered in the face of all odds. Its also a masterpiece of a movie. Alien 3 is not in the same league. It is trash. And Aliens is not a "generic" action movie. Its one of the best action movies of all time. Its actually good and has a good script, something Alien 3 does not.
@@AndyDandyMandy In Alien Ripley escapes by sheer luck while her team got destroyed in horrific ways, and all of this after doing their best to contain a problem that took their lives and the entire ship. Alien 3 works the same although with more crew in a place that was already dangerous before the creature got in. Aliens is a generic action film that for all the mystery shown at the start (which was superb) rapidly blew away the impact of the creatures by turning them into ducks in a shooting gallery. As for its script it is a mess, "how did Ripley knew how to start and operate the APC in such a hurry?", "how did she knew the route to the marines since they followed a different path?", "how did they conveniently lacked any portable communication with the Sulaco while that was even a basic standard for any military in the real world, let alone a futuristic one?" Most importantly: "how did Ripley found Newt in less than 10 minutes (if we assume it took them board the ship, fly it into the reactor and land it in less than 7 mins) with a locator device that only showed distance in a place she didn't knew?" Even if she found the girl in 10 mins they both would be dead so we need to assume Ripley found her, liberated her, killed the eggs in 5 mins and escaped back in another 5 mins. All of this no taking into consideration that in 50 years of terraforming in the planet the company nor the colony's crew found out that the gigantic ship was about hours of driving away from the colony itself (since Newt's father was sent to medical before the xeno came out off his body)
My goodness, I love the research that you’ve done. Excellent content. You have a subscriber, and I hope to see more great stuff from you in the future.
Alien 3 deserves a lot more respect than it initially received. It was not the masterpiece the first one was and it was not the balls to the wall action epic that is Aliens. However in terms of tone, it stands a part from the first two which still had hopeful endings. I truly do not think the death of Hicks and Newt was a slap in the face. It set the tone for the rest of the film and made it very clear to the audience that no one in this universe was safe, much like Game of Thrones before the heroes started wearing plot armor. I do understand why audience did not like it and I respect their reasons, however there is no doubt that Aliens 3 though divisive certainly deserves its much discussed legacy and place in the Alien Trilogy. (Yes, Trilogy.... I'm not counting Resurrection)
Nick Gillard portrayed Prisoner Vincent, the unfortunate individual whom Kevin encounters before the chase ensues. Following an article I penned regarding the enigmatic prisoner, Nick graciously reached out to me to provide insight.
I think Alien 3 is overly hated. It's not up to par with the other two, it being kind of confused thematically and hamstrung by terrible production messing it up, and it definitely suffers from an overly savage editor, but it's tonally consistent and the bleakness of its plot is fitting for the setting. And I do admire the willingness to end the franchise by killing Ripley. It's okay. Not great, but okay. And I can appreciate it way more knowing just how much work the director had to put in to make it even that good. And I will kindly ask you to not try to convince me that there were any more Alien movies after this, because there weren't. Shut up.
Im sorry but there is NOTHING worth loving in Aliens. Its a dark, cold, mean-spirited insult to fans of Aliens and fans of good storytelling alike. There is no good reason to replace great characters with great potential for future stories like Newt and Hicks. And its even more absurd and offensive that they were replaced by r**ists and murderers. There is no reason for the character of Ripley to constantly be the sole survivor. In fact, that sounds like contrived, unimaginative Hollywood nonsense just to keep the main actress happy. And i believe that was part of the problem with this movie. Everyone including Sigourney Weaver was heartless and foolish in its creation, and it shows on screen.
i cant wait for the final part--- i really hope you talk about ripleys ass, bc when i first saw the movie it was in it in the "rape"scene and it later disappeared...first i felt a bit bad for the actress for having to do it, but the longer i listen to you , the more i think Miss WEaver just wanted to moon the world
I think I have an explanation for how the eggs came to be on The Sulaco and hatch while everyone was in stasis. As Ripley shoos Newt into the sub-floor ducting and herself runs and prepares the power loader in the storage bay, the Queen has a short while unobserved. Now imagine - she had recently torn off her 'egg sack' to become mobile, but maybe a few eggs were still in the 'pipeline' (what do you call an alien reproductive tract?) within her body that are still dropping out slowly as she exerts herself on the hangar deck. In those minutes while Ripley is in the storage bay, the Queen could scoop up and hide these 'last chance' eggs (she has already been shown to be quite logical and cunning) in whatever nearby corners etc. that would give them a chance of surviving whatever was coming. She already knows that all of her brood were destroyed on the planet, and the survival of the species shows that they can adapt their reproductive cycle in emergency contingencies, so for her these eggs would be her last best hope. Perhaps that why she fought so hard to kill the humans (and android)? She wanted the ship to be an unmolested lifeboat for her and her offspring, rather than just wanting vengeance.
Thank you so much....this is awesome. I was really looking forward for this story. But what can i say? At first- and this is most important of all- there are three beloved characters killed off screen within a huge plothole just at the beginning......is there a worse start to continue a franchise? This is really annoying and i totally agree with Cameron. On the other hand i like the atmosphere of this movie so much. Dark, dirty and with no hope. In Alien we sided with space workers, in Aliens with a Marine platoon and now we are at the end of civilisation. We have do deal with murderers and rapists. An alien in this hostile environment seems to be an interesting thought. I made my peace with Alien 3. In comparison with a lot SciFi today it is just visionary. Greetings from Germany!
Many past films have been upgraded using the latest CGI...I think Alien 3 would benefit with a reworking of its "cartoonish" early CGI to blend in better with the brillant practical effects. To upgrade and re-edit a definitive version of this film is a necessity and it will perhaps bring the controversy of A3 to a close...but who am I kidding! I think the film is a flawed jewel. And if you want to continue a franchise, killing off the main characters is not the way to go.
It's worth doing though I don't think the director would want to be involved in the reshoot, which would be a shame. And thanks for posting this great content@@RepresentThis
They should have left out the whole egg plot and given Newt a Xeno birth. The moment Ripley saves her in the hive of a facehugger doesn't mean she's already had one (Aliens)
There is only one thing in this world that made Alien 3 a good movie. This one thing elevated the film far beyond what it would have been without it. And that one thing was… Alien 4. That movie was such an abomination of terrible story, terrible adherence to their own established universe and cartoon physics. The film just was random scenes stitched together that someone figured would make a story afterwards… But they’ve got the alien underwater, so that’s pretty cool. No reason for any of this to make any sense. Let’s get some smart ass snappy dialogue in there too… there that will fix it! Alien 3 deserves an Oscar over the pile of garbage that Alien 4 was.
I agree. I was so so let down by the Alien 3 plotholes. I remember being in shock that 4 was even more dumb. But even that was topped, as Covenant takes the top prize for unrealistic absurdity. I did enjoy Prometheus, in parts. In hindsight, Alien 3 is a nice stand-alone movie. But only Alien and Aliens have any sensible cannon.
As much as I love Newt and Hicks, I’m okay that they died. It took me 20 years to come to this decision. Quite frankly, it would’ve been lazy to keep them alive.
11:20 - The comment from that user. What? I think he needs some counselling. How many stereotypical 50's housewives have to arm themselves and defend the "family" by literally destroying another. Plus would it not be the man driving the forklift truck in your fantasy? Come on mate. That's that kind of pseudo-intellectual, film school, talk that people don't question enough on the basis that "it sounds smart". It's crappy motivated reasoning that ignores the parts of the argument that don't fit. P.S. this is not aimed at the creator of this video. Discovered you two days ago man, love your videos. Nice and calm, not the typical "content creator". Dare I say I like all three original Alien movies. As long as it's the director assembly of 3. Alien & Aliens is like T1 & T2. Different, because they didn't just redo the same movie for the sequel (mostly, (which you know you said in Newt's voice)). Of course Alien & T1 are the truly interesting ones, but to do the same thing over for the sequel would have been a sin.
i've loved Alien since 86, but i don't know how a facehugger could latch on to anything with a snout. I've also never seen any art of a facehugger on something with a snout... so I don't know how there are alligator xenomorphs and stuff... or even the dog alien in the movie. I couldn't get into the movie because I couldnt even see a facehugger on a dog, and they never tired to show it.
20th Century fox / producers ~ really screwed up with that 'On Earth' 1991 teaser trailer ~ also with their whole 'set next year's release date before you lock the script' thing. And this procedure - has ruined 'many' a studio movie. I love how the show 'The Boys' ~ announces a release date ~ 'once' ~ it's got every single frame ~ 'exactly where they want it'. So that no one involved in the Production is stressed and jumping through unrealistic hoops - on pain of personal burnout - to meet a deadline - that has ( in the past ) been placed to accentuate box office returns - at 'certain times of the year'. Mark Verheiden's amazing early 1990's Aliens Dark Horse Graphic Novel - would have made a 'Laurence of Arabia' level Epic - of this Earth based tale - of Aliens overrunning our Planet. That book is a work of art.
I saw Alien 3 on VHS in 1993 and all I remember from that viewing is me no longer being inetersted in any more Alien movies but becoming an instant fan of David Fincher to the point where I travelled 100 miles to watch Se7en.
I remember seeing it in theaters . I took my younger brother and i was left stunned on how depressing it was. It has high production values, but isn't a good film at all. The Assembly cut is the best version , but it's still a mess. The death of Newt and Hicks completely sours the film from the start . It's not terrible , but this idea of Alien 3 should've never been made
On the subject of an alien embryo switching hosts; there is an identical issue with an egg being deposited in either the trachea or esophagus. How would a host not immediately notice it upon regaining consciousness? They’d either not be able to breathe, or swallow.
I wonder if I always enjoyed Alien3 because it was released at the time I was ready for it, having been shown 1 and 2 when I was basically a child. A3 had Nintendo and Sega games, I read the books. It was easy to forgive it its faults and simply enjoy it as Ripley's journey. I think fondly of it despite hearing the production hell.
I'm a big fan of Alien 3. For me it's a solid Alien film and better than the hate it gets. Has some flaws but it has more to offer than what you think. I always enjoyed watching it.
This is my favorite movie franchise and Alien³ is still my favorite movie, i once was so obsessed with the film that i saw it 6 times in a week, each time it was a different experience, it also has my favorite score in the franchise alongside Covenant Jed Kurzel’s
14:32 well l mean, if it was inside your chest cavity like normally they did... wouldnt you then feel it too? Maybe they secrete some kind of numbing agent to "anesthetize" that area in particular but idk. Or they rest inside your intestines anything its possible
I saw Alien 3 when it was first in theaters in 1992. I didn’t hate it, but I certainly didn’t like it either. Today, Alien 3 is a movie I hate because it wrecks the logical progression of the story from the first two movies and the continuity between Aliens and Alien 3 is just plain awful. The author of this video is correct about having to do absurd mental gymnastics to make having yet another alien stowed away on the drop ship to kill off Newt and Hicks. The explanation still doesn’t make sense and still doesn’t work for me.
I remember thinking along those lines when watching Alien 3 on VHS when it was released as a kid. I was too young at the time to watch it at the cinema so we waited for the VHS to drop. Me and my buddies loved the film at the time, we were 12.
I think Alien 3 is a great follow up to the two movies before it. First you have survival horror, then you have action horror, and then you have abject misery personified. Everything about Alien 3 is washed out and drained of life, exactly what Ripley should be experiencing considering what she had been through by that point. She survived the first encounter, the rose to the challenge of the second encounter taking back power in order to save others, by the third encounter she has to accept the Xenomorph as a lasting part of her life. Her child lived and died while she was lost on her way back home. The world she had grown up in, and then relearned to live in after her return would have again moved on leaving her out of place, out of time, with no one left alive that she had known. Newt and Hicks and Bishop all gone and she finds herself stuck with morons and prisoners on an abandoned dirt ball with no weapons and no hope of escape, only to learn that she has been infested with a Xenomorph queen. Is it a perfect story? Not really, as the video above states even the concept that the alien egg somehow got on the ship is a problem and without it the story can't happen. Is it a well made film? Not really, the effect really didn't hold up in a lot of places. Was it thematically fitting? I would argue absolutely it is. No matter how hard she tried Ripley could not escape the Xenomorph, could not beat it. It was the only consistent part of her existence that remained with her no matter which time period she woke up in. The perfect predator consistently being defeated by any one person undermines the entire concept of them being perfect, in this film Ripley's luck finally runs out and the most she can hope to achieve is to stop them with a sacrifice. Does that story make for an enjoyable summer blockbuster experience? No, its miserable and you walk away sad. Does that mean the story shouldn't have been told? Also no, the thematic ending of Ripley's story is to me perfect and I am only saddened they decided to later undermine it in Alien 4 by making a comedy horror which brought her back as some weird clone. The Xenomorph universe had a great deal of potential for exploring various stories, but because of public expectation of seeing the same movie they already enjoyed again but slightly different this time, the alien movies devolved into a formulaic boring and predictable collapse, which is where the prequels ended up, with the first trying to do everything it could to not have a Xenomorph at all and the second trying to replicate the feeling of the first two movies without having anything to really contribute. I have a generally positive opinion of Alien 3 for being so utterly shameless in its embrace of misery to set itself apart from the previous movies, it could have taken the universe in very strange and abstract explorations of cosmic horror. I also understand why so many people detest it and have such a negative opinion of it.
And just to add, do I think the story could have been written better, made more sense and still held that same feeling of exhaustion of a solider that has spent years fighting a hopeless battle of survival? Yes, 100%. Personally, I feel like the disaster going on behind the scenes in writing and producing spilled over into everyone just being exhausted and miserable and that came across in how the film feels, I don't feel like it was a specific decision by anyone to aim for that, but its how it turned out.
@@jhoughjr1When we are talking about a story that centres around a species of Alien like the Xenomorph, that is in fact a part of the experience that the audience should be confronted with. The idea that all the Alien films have to have a hopeful, happy end is anathema to the Xenomorphs being an actual threat. They are in such a story relegated to loony tunes level jokes, the stakes and drama are completely drained, and the films become about watching just to see which people die in what horrible way and which person gets to survive because they weren't dumb. The threat they represent in the first film is that anyone could die, Ripley isn't a hero that rises to defeat the evil. These things are an unstoppable killing machine and Riply is lucky to survive. The more stories that follow that same formula, the less threatening and unstoppable the Xenomorph become. Yes it's miserable for the audience, it was also miserable for the actors, the directors, the producers and the studio. The misery of this unending threat permeates through every aspect, because it forces us to confront the fact the threat the Xenomorphs represent is unending and exhausting.
Fun fact to break the gloom more; Prequel-Trilogy Swordmaster Nick Gillard (playing Prisoner Martin) was also inside the Alien Queen puppet in “Aliens” piloting the left two of her four arms. 😊👍🏼⚔️
l remember watching Alien 3 on TV when l was a little boy was my first Alien movie ever, through out time watched it many times though never completely from begging to end and l have to say never really understood much about what was going on but the fact that a killing creature was trying to kill everybody, and you know what that is everything l need to know to enjoy this kind of movies. The stealth and intelligent aspect of the main antagonist its the best feature everything else for me its secondary
I saw Alien 3 in the theaters when it came out. There were some great elements, but overall I remember being disappointed and underwhelmed. Alien was the introduction and Aliens was the progression of the story. Alien 3 didn't do anything to progress the overall story. But I saw the assembly cut many years later - it made the movie much better and more interesting.
To me there was only one facehugger with a queen and a drone, and a not fully formed chestburster crawled from Newt's dead body to Ripley. But the art in the comic book adaptation is terrible and awful. The alien is very poorly portrayed, the colors are garish, the backgrounds are almost all very generic and repetitive, the humans have all wrong proportions and except for Ripley, all of them looks the same. So I wouldn't use it as a refference out of the general storytelling. My guess is that a not fully formed chestburster would be more like one of Giger's worms, lets say like the one seen in Poltergeist 2. I could believe something like that could make it's way to a persons' heart without much problems.
Hey, regarding the issue of the egg on the Sulaco - I've actually written a screenplay for a film that tells a story of what occurred behind the scenes between Ripley being discovered on the Narcissus and then again on the EEV - egg included. The way the egg gets onboard in my story is totally different from any alternative theory I've ever heard. Would anyone be interested in reading it?
The fact that we still discuss this movie speaks volumes. Alien3 is by far one of the best in the franchise and I wouldn`t be surprised if it will climb as the years goes by. The nihilistic approach from Fincher strenghten the mythology about the xenomorh and its universe. Once Alien3 is showing, I can`t turn the TV off. As the years goes by more people will take the red pill and discover what an outstanding "alien movie" Fincher made.
Thanks for another great video, I love your take on things. I saw Alien3 and more-or-less wrote it off but then I managed to get hold of the Assembly Cut, and now I've converted to loving it. Another example in the Alien franchise of what we could have seen, as opposed to what we actually got. The more I come across incidents like this in all sorts of movies - not just the Alien saga - the more I despair at the studio system and greedy producers. Hell should have a special place for the likes of Giler and Hill.
@@RepresentThis I'm getting old and my body seems to think I'm ready to give up. Fear not, I'll hang on by my finger-nails if only to experience the pleasure I get from watching your videos. I do appreciate your concern and thank you again.
I used to think Aliens was the best film as a kid probably because I was more into action as a kid, but the older I get the more I prefer Alien and Alien 3. Aliens is a bit tedious now, especially the longer cut.
@@Fedorevsky I enjoy Aliens. It's a fun action film with some great characters and quippy lines, but it's not a horror film (neither is Resurrection). I love Alien and 3 both as good films and as horror films. They're tight, spare, claustrophobic, beautifully shot (minus some of the CGI in 3), and - before I knew them front to back - they're both freaking scary.
yeah, Resurrection is all over the place in genre and tone. Hard to pin down, probably since it was made by someone more into art films than genre films and with a very European sensibility. I agree about 1 and 3 being the only real horror films and they definitely scared me when watching them the first time as a kid. I was 12 or 13 when Alien 3 came out and had seen the two other movies fairly recently before that at 11-12ish for the first time@@Blaize24
@@Fedorevsky I was 14 when Alien was released. My dad took me to see it and I loved it and it was scary as hell. Aliens was a fun romp. I heard all the complaints about 3 (not specifics, just how much people hated it) before I saw it but I loved it even in that first theatrical cut viewing and again it was so scary - not only the monster this time but in an existential way and with all the nihilism. I kind of love AlienRipleyClone's attitude and snark, but I agree the movie is all over the place, and it's not very good IMHO. And I actually feel kinda bad watching the baby get sucked out of its own skin through the pinhole (I *was* that kid who rooted for the monster in the old Dracula and werewolf Hammer and Universal flicks).
I rather like Resurrection too despite it's crazy tone and yeah it's for sure hard to argue for it as a good film, lol. I love the old Hammer/Amicus/Tigon stuff too as it was all over TV where I live growing up (Norway), it was one of my earliest introductions to horror and I would also root for the baddies at times depending on the film. I didn't actually watch any of the original Universal Frankenstein and Dracula films until much later as those where not as readily available here at the time.@@Blaize24
I think a lot of people, especially many who commented on my threads here would disagree with you, however that doesn't make your points invalid as many do not love this film either. As for lazy critics I am speaking about PROFFESIONAL ones who are supposed to see the details and nuance in movies for a living and many a popular critic sited this as a problem. Thanks for your thoughts.
Thanks for that, really glad you're with us for our journey as the channel gets bigger. Got a lot of movies lined up to do and eager to hear more feedback.
Alien 3 is fantastic and Hicks and Newt dying is exactly the immediate gut-punch that makes it so. The Fincher cut is excellent and easily makes this a self-contained "canon" trilogy. Everything afterwards, especially Scott's awful hamhanded fiddling, is "alternate universe".
Aliens was and is my favourite movie. I saw it multiple times in the theatre in ‘86, when I was a teenager. In the following years, I imagined where the next instalment would go and then got super excited when I saw the teaser posters. Then I saw the movie and was gutted with the early deaths. Looking at the movie now, I like it well enough but I still can’t forgive the unearned deaths of Hicks, Newt and Bishop.
The actor who played the cook - Niall Buggy (note they didn't change the character's surname from the actor's), was also Arthur Frayn AKA 'Zardoz' in that notably weird 1974 film and, famously for British and Irish viewers, the drunken TV presenter Henry Sellers in Father Ted.
It is part 3 which is the analysis of the movie itself. I couldn't use the same title since it's not about producers anymore, so I changed it and used a different picture to distinguish it. I toyed with making it say part 3 but then again there might be folks looking for the picture and title for part 1 and 2 so I decided to make it part 1. Now I'm confused. Am I making sense? :)
I just got done watching all of your videos and I have to say, I'm a fan and a new subscriber. Love the straight forward and genuine approach you have to your videos. It's refreshing. Plus, they're filled with so much information. Makes my nerd brain grow.
This is fucking great. No matter how many times I've watched this movie, I'd never noticed all these details about each prisoner. A definite reason I love Alien 3 is that the characters are not spoon fed to the viewer. If the viewer does not actively watch the movie, he'll miss almost all character moments. This may be the case for all movies with a big cast, but not all do it well. Aliens was good in that many characters were distinct, despite their small screen time. A movie that did it poorly was The Hobbit I-II-III. You see in the extras and documentaries that they actually thought about the personalities and backstories of each dwarf. Unfortunately, almost none of it is seen in the actual movies.
I agree with you completely about the Hobbit movies. I think those films could have been great had they gotten those details right. I'm glad your finding things you have never noticed before as that is always a goal in every video I try to make so it's real satisfying to hear you say this. We haven't even covered my favorite bit part prisoner who has the most depth out of all of them and I hope to see you in part 2 to see if your reaction remains the same. Thanks again.
It was won the year it came out. The viewing public voted with their feet. Hauteurs can lament this as a misunderstood masterpiece all they want. I saw Jodorowsky's Dune and, while clearly visionary, I'm damned glad it didn't get made. "I must rape the story." WTFingF? A critic observed of The Force Awakens that a half dozen 12 year olds with some action figures could have crafted a more coherent story. A3 was spoiled by the proverbial "too many cooks," but made worse by clots of cooks all working to make a different soup. It'd be interesting to find out how many viewers actually went back 5 times? 2 times? 1 entire time? Piffle.
@@kevenpinder7025 Your opinion is valid but the people who love this film have seen it 5 times or more, own the DVD's, Blu-Ray, whatever and praise it. There are many examples in this chat and on my previous 2 videos on the making of the film. I agree on your views of Jadorowsky's Dune. The idea of a movie over 10 hours is just crazy but I think El Topo is a crazy film too but it's still an interesting study of film making. I'm sure someone out there thinks it's the greatest movie Ever made. Heck there are people out there who think the Force Awakens was the BESTEST Star Wars movie of all time. I might disagree but I'm not going to say factually they are wrong. I will just throw my case out and be move along. I'm really glad you put your thoughts out. Hope to see more of your comments in the future.
I think I'm gonna make lots of comments on this one. Let's begin with the alien egg onboard the Sulaco, because everyone likes to pick this as the first "evidence" on why this movie is bad. If the egg was placed on the landing gear of the drop ship, no one would have said anything. It's more like a movie mistake than an impossible thing to happen. I like the DVD version trying to explain the egg on the dropship. It's the type of thing they could have reshoot and replaced the original scene on the Assembly Cut (the real movie cut) and no one else would b*tch about it anymore.
I like the idea of Newt having a drone inside her, and even getting out through her mouth, but not entering Ripley. But I prefer to imagine the facehugger didn't implant an embryo inside her at all and she just drowned. Whether she was awake or not and Clemens said she wasn't just to comfort Ripley. I also think it would be an interesting edit having both the dog and the ox giving birth to an alien at the same time, giving the idea that there are two drones in the facility but the prisoners and Ripley think it's just one and they killed just one, and there's still another loose inside the facility. I like to imagine that this alien is walking towards the EEV at the end of the movie where Ripleys recording is playing. That would also open another possibility to continue the saga, but wouldn't invalidate Alien Res either. By the way, I don't like to place Alien Res as Alien 4. For me it's like Star Wars Solo, it's a story just to expand the Universe but not necessarily fit inside the original timeline. So much could have happened between Alien 3 and Alien Res. There's so much room to explore the events of both Aliens and Alien 3. For example this second drone on the prison, but also, the Derelict Ship on LV-426 wasn't destroyed by Hadley's Hop atmospheric nuclear processor explosion - because of the distance you mentioned on your video.
Really liked the way you are going with the prisoners one by one, because I believe they are the most underrated part of the movie: first, the actors are phenomenal, giving a lot of character to each prisoner. Second due to the nature of the movie itself. Just like Ripley says "Do you think they are gonna care about a bunch of lifers who found God at the ass end of space?" She's not just talking about the company, but what the rest of humanity think about these prisoners and us, the audience, who hated the movie because they killed a possible more Space Marines like sequel, which the audience would have cared more. Third, because they are a menace to society just like the alien, but yet the corporation is more interested in the alien than in them. Take Clemens, for example, he made a mistake, got thrown into this prison and forgotten. Nobody would give him a second chance. Just to finish, I think this prison adds a lot of depth to the grim universe of the saga. Definitely a different direction than keeping Newt and Hicks alive, but an interesting direction nonetheless. A lot of the hate for this movie get is - also for the fact that we got a terrible cut and there are a lot of plot holes even in the Assembly Cut (it's a flawed movie) - because it wasn't what people were expecting to see, not the sequel they wanted, but doesn't mean it's a bad movie to be discarded or considered just "A hypersleep fever dream"...
I remember watching this at the cinema and coming out disappointed. I expected something like Aliens instead I got this dark, moody and morose film that killed of two of my favorite characters from Aliens. But over the years it has grown on me as I have grown older as well. Going from bad, to decent to pretty nice with the Assembly Cut. Does it have problems, oh yes, but I still like it more than Resurrection, Prometheus, Covenant and the the latest turd, Romulus. One can only wonder what it would have been like without all the interference and a competent script from the beginning.
Alien 3 (assembly cut) is a masterpiece. It elevated the alien back to its horror and mystery. The cinematography and score are amazing, and the weight of the drama and dread is met by the dialogue and acting. Even myself, as a fan of Aliens, I was saddened by Newt and Hicks’ deaths. However, the movie isn’t about them, anymore than it was about the rest of the crew of the Nostromo nor the other Marines departed to LV-426. They are great characters, but as Dillon said in his eulogy, “nothing is certain, only some get saved and some get called.” The creature has no regard for “delusions of morality.” Also, who gives a shit what James Cameron thinks? This is the same person who gave his stamp of approval for both Terminator: Genisys AND Dark Fate.
I watched Alien 3 at the cinema, I was 11 years old. I wasn’t very impressed, mostly amazed I got in to the cinema. I saw Aliens when I was approx 8 and loved the movie (too young to see it though). Over the following years/decades I reverted to watching Aliens often and Alien 3 very sparingly. With mostly disappointment. It wasn’t until Alien Resurrection was released which I considered utterly abhorrent that I returned to Alien 3 with a new appreciation and started watching it more often with an interest. You couldn’t pay me to watch resurrection.
Aliens was an anomaly in the canon, a popcorn muncher of a movie that managed to have some great mood/lighting but that could not be allowed to be the template for the next movie if it didn't want to be a series of diminishing artistic returns. Of course I'd rather that Newt and Hicks didn't have to die for plot's sake but how else could they have been plausibly separated from Ripley? It'd be either bogus or cruel to have Newt be in another horrifying experience again. The best that could be hoped for in that scenario is the prisoners would aim to protect Newt from the alien. But the idea of murderers and rapists being near a little girl would itself cause controversy. Newt would also become essentially invincible, which would make the movie unscary, because viscerally killing young children on screen in movies is a big no no.
I saw this in the theater when I was ten and it was the first time I realized that a big movie could be bad. Alien 3 on SNES was great because Ripley was basically Rambo. I wonder how it would change the story if the prison was a ship rather than on a planet
Let me be the first for ya; Aliens is a 2 hour cheesy 80's one-liner toy commercial. The Queen was cool tho...till the corny power loader fight scene hahaha
Well, now is your chance. If you go into my Alien 3: Moron's INC, part 1 vid you will see several comments that express this. I think there are some in part 2 and out of respect to all points of views I wanted to note it.
The older I get the more I agree with this notion, I find Aliens rather tedious nowadays with some really cool scenes here and there and some cool concepts like the queen. Much prefer the themes of Alien and Alien 3. @@frankthecat1660
The Pepsi advert shows a profound lack of care about the actual tone of the movie.
Remember when Cameron was OK with killing John Connor? Such a slap in the face of fans
Even good creators have terrible ideas. See: Ridley Scott
@@Sammo212 which Ridley Scott mistake are you talking about… retroactively making Deckard a Replicant? Thinking that scientist would never be cautious about landing on an alien world, or learn how to run away from a falling object…, making the source of the Force being due to midichlorians? Oh wait… nevermind on the last one ;)
@@MurderMostFowlI hate the Dekard is a replicant thing. If it its true, the story has no point. It's just two toasters boinking.
At least bladerunner 2049 retcon that crab. @@kenreighard5071
Pepperidge Cameron remembers
It’s ok to say shit.. it ain’t against God.
I love Alien 3 and you can take that to the bank.
I find it obnoxiously boring.
It’s also okay to have loved Hicks and Newt, and be okay with their deaths. In fact, loving them makes their deaths more impactful. Alien 3 is a nihilistic film set in a nihilistic universe; it’s perfectly reasonable that beloved characters should die. Fincher wanted to give us a gut punch, and why shouldn’t he? Isn’t this a fitting series for one?
I don't think that was Fincher's call. The producers didn't even want to bring back Ripley initially because she was too expensive. I don't think Fincher could have got the producers to bring back the other two actors if he'd tried.
Yep.
I agree with this notion, the themes of the film called for them to be dead, however it should have been better explained of course.
@@cheezemonkeyeaterno one would watch it without Rickey. I know I sure turned off find the people I cared about killed off acreen and a bunch of identical British skinheads in the sark doesn’t make a good movie
I still can't believe David Fincher pulled off a career like his after this debacle. He might as well be like Josh Trank or Richard Stanley...
Stanley's OG Moreau script is pretty lit by the way. Too bad he had no producer to back him up. Color out of space fucking slaps
@@volodymyrbilyk555 Colour Out of Space, Richard Stanley's one great movie.
Me and my friends were wild about those Alien toys, I actually can't detach the third movie from the nostalgia of that time.
Alien 3 is a dark masterpiece, and many people can't handle it.
Alien 3 is not better than aliens. It is a underrated sequel I quite enjoy it but it is not better then aliens.
I firmly believe it's a great film, truly art, in spite of its numerous flaws and incompleteness. Great way beyond the cinematography and art direction, which are of unreal quality , but also extending to the muted performances, the tone of bubbling under dread, and a theme which mulls over the point of existence itself. I do get that the thing is awfully flawed, and sometimes bits of dialogue really hurt to hear, but overall there's an existential swing-for-the-fences quality that for me allows it to transcend the limitations. It's a personal preference, but I always dig a movie that fails reaching for something high than one that perfectly executes polite mediocrity.
And don't think it's ultimately too much about the alien creature itself, but a contemplation on death/birth cycles, hope vs nihilism, and most importantly the limits of the human spirit. After the fairy tale redemption of James Cameron's Aliens, all of that is ripped away from Ripley in the opening minutes of A^3. Prayers are uttered, the question is literally asked "do you have any faith?" (to which she responds "I'm not sure"), and Ripley plays with the idea of a simultaneous suicide-abortion in the 3rd act (you will not find too many blockbuster franchises toying with or even acknowledge this kinda stuff!). So, when everything is taken away, even the promise of a happy ending, Ripley (and us) are left with a question: Is anything whatsoever still worth it? "We're all gonna die," Dillon says, "only difference is how you check out." These condemned forgotten men and a doomed and abused woman all decide that how they live, fighting to save the universe, is ultimately worth more than preserving their lives and leaving the problems up to others to resolve - simply because they believe it. I LOVE the final montage of all the empty rooms being locked and boarded up, rooms that once served purposes, now just shells; they were the stages that set the story we witnessed, now empty as the company evacuates and we as audience move on - empty of purpose like the bodies that fell fighting, like every life in the end. If nothing can matter in the end, why do anything? They answered: because it's not about the end, it's about right now.
Gorgeous analysis and yes to all of it.
Excellent take on a truly underrated film. I could not agree more.
I still have my official Alien 3 movie hat.
I never understood all the hate for this film
because people wanted more brain dead Aliens action shlock.
Because it was dark and boring . People don’t want to feel hopeless and dreadful about these characters.
@tomdarragh8692 because people wanted aliens 2.0
I ♥️ this movie . I'm glad Sigourney made the choice to jump ship. She was the driving force of all these films. 👽
Will always love Alien 3. Regardless of flaws, it is one of the greatest directing debuts ever, heralding a visual master craftsman. It is all the more commendable considering everything he went through. One thing about Newt: Who would moaners cast to replace her given the 6-year gap between films and Henn's lack of interest in acting?
It didn’t have to be someone famous. Why do you think it will be difficult to cast a blonde girl with a British accent?
I would not say I hated alien 3… just that it felt like a series of poor choices. You could’ve written a story around the premise they had. For whatever reason, though, they just decided to tell a fairly mediocre prison story with a creepy rationale that could have fit into pretty much any horror movie . And The creature effects were frankly terrible compared to even the first film. Which is inexcusable because there really isn’t a lot of scenes with the creature.
@@MurderMostFowl My point is I wouldn't want the role re-cast. Might as well kill her to be honest.
Oh, yeah, because those distorted xenomorph POVs sure were innovative and exciting...even after the 10th time!
@@Chiggs I thought so. The whole film looks brilliant in my opinion.
Newt goes to live with her relatives (offscreen) while Ripley, Hicks, and (a rebuilt) Bishop are sent to a new planet where aliens have already been discovered, thus avoiding all the problems with Alien 3's script.
See how easy that was? 😃
Nice! This actually brought up a lot of stuff I didn't even really notice/think about. I never noticed how thrown together that opening sequence really was, was always too distracted by how beautifully it was shot XD Also love that you're focusing on every inmate with screen time, and not just the main players. Every character in Alien 3 serves a purpose, I loved your response to the criticism that it's just a buncha bald guys, because that really is bullshit.
Can't wait for part 2!
Can't wait to share it with you Cine. Thanks for your thoughts.
I can explain originally there wasn’t supposed to be an egg fox added it in the reshoots told fincher and the producers to add it in. A lot of the opening had to be cut so it seems disconjoined the sulaco exploding was supposed to be filmed but was cut from production all together because of budget reasons. Fox took over and the film was being rewritten as its filming fox telling the producers what to write
7:17 Bishop's Overridden protocol, by WY is the most plausible.. He is afterall still an android and can be controlled , if Weyland Yutani deems it so..
Call it a Fail safe to insure the mission is a success...
Kinda Mirroring RoboCop 1 with his 4th prime directive..
Fincher was spot on, this movie demands rewatches to fully appreciate it. I hated it when I first watched it in theaters. Didn’t give it a second chance until the Assembly Cut came out. Since then I’ve rewatched both cuts many many times.
This movie is kinda brilliant.
"Killing Hicks and Newt was necessary" No it wasn't. If they didn't want them in Alien 3 they could have just set it years after Aliens and have them have separate lives somewhere else while Ripley gets sucked into the adventure some other way.
Even if you made that people would complain among the lines: "you destroyed the family!, how dare you!" and we would be in the same place.
Killing them both in Alien 3 served for the fatalist atmosphere of the entire film and the alien creature itself, think about it like: "there are no happy endings, nor lucky escapes, it is a nightmare which will live alongside you", which ties up with the fact that the last original xeno batch got destroyed alongside the last person who was in contact with it.
@@PointReflex "Killing them both in Alien 3 served for the fatalist atmosphere of the entire film" That is the problem in a nutshell. No one wanted a "fatalist" Alien movie in the first place.
@@AndyDandyMandy Alien is a fatalist film since only one of them survive, same with Alien 3, all got wiped out except for one. So to say "nobody wanted that" kinda means "everyone wanted another generic action film with the family together."
@@PointReflex Alien is not a fatalist movie at all. At the end of the day, Ripley made it out alive and persevered in the face of all odds. Its also a masterpiece of a movie. Alien 3 is not in the same league. It is trash.
And Aliens is not a "generic" action movie. Its one of the best action movies of all time. Its actually good and has a good script, something Alien 3 does not.
@@AndyDandyMandy In Alien Ripley escapes by sheer luck while her team got destroyed in horrific ways, and all of this after doing their best to contain a problem that took their lives and the entire ship.
Alien 3 works the same although with more crew in a place that was already dangerous before the creature got in.
Aliens is a generic action film that for all the mystery shown at the start (which was superb) rapidly blew away the impact of the creatures by turning them into ducks in a shooting gallery. As for its script it is a mess, "how did Ripley knew how to start and operate the APC in such a hurry?", "how did she knew the route to the marines since they followed a different path?", "how did they conveniently lacked any portable communication with the Sulaco while that was even a basic standard for any military in the real world, let alone a futuristic one?"
Most importantly: "how did Ripley found Newt in less than 10 minutes (if we assume it took them board the ship, fly it into the reactor and land it in less than 7 mins) with a locator device that only showed distance in a place she didn't knew?"
Even if she found the girl in 10 mins they both would be dead so we need to assume Ripley found her, liberated her, killed the eggs in 5 mins and escaped back in another 5 mins.
All of this no taking into consideration that in 50 years of terraforming in the planet the company nor the colony's crew found out that the gigantic ship was about hours of driving away from the colony itself (since Newt's father was sent to medical before the xeno came out off his body)
Alien 3 is the epitomy of hopelessness.
If that’s what we call and storytelling sure
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Alien 3 deserves a lot more respect than it initially received. It was not the masterpiece the first one was and it was not the balls to the wall action epic that is Aliens. However in terms of tone, it stands a part from the first two which still had hopeful endings. I truly do not think the death of Hicks and Newt was a slap in the face. It set the tone for the rest of the film and made it very clear to the audience that no one in this universe was safe, much like Game of Thrones before the heroes started wearing plot armor. I do understand why audience did not like it and I respect their reasons, however there is no doubt that Aliens 3 though divisive certainly deserves its much discussed legacy and place in the Alien Trilogy. (Yes, Trilogy.... I'm not counting Resurrection)
Quite a few people wanted their story continued . It’s prettt simple.
Nick Gillard portrayed Prisoner Vincent, the unfortunate individual whom Kevin encounters before the chase ensues. Following an article I penned regarding the enigmatic prisoner, Nick graciously reached out to me to provide insight.
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They killed Newt, Hicks and a dog? Then kill Ripley! This movie was made to be hateful and hateable.
Christopher Fairbank turns up EVERYWHERE! He's in 5th Element, Batman... he's a bit-part king!
I think Alien 3 is overly hated. It's not up to par with the other two, it being kind of confused thematically and hamstrung by terrible production messing it up, and it definitely suffers from an overly savage editor, but it's tonally consistent and the bleakness of its plot is fitting for the setting. And I do admire the willingness to end the franchise by killing Ripley.
It's okay. Not great, but okay. And I can appreciate it way more knowing just how much work the director had to put in to make it even that good.
And I will kindly ask you to not try to convince me that there were any more Alien movies after this, because there weren't. Shut up.
I like alien 3, the franchise died with Ripley in the furnace in my opinion 😊
Im sorry but there is NOTHING worth loving in Aliens. Its a dark, cold, mean-spirited insult to fans of Aliens and fans of good storytelling alike.
There is no good reason to replace great characters with great potential for future stories like Newt and Hicks. And its even more absurd and offensive that they were replaced by r**ists and murderers.
There is no reason for the character of Ripley to constantly be the sole survivor. In fact, that sounds like contrived, unimaginative Hollywood nonsense just to keep the main actress happy. And i believe that was part of the problem with this movie. Everyone including Sigourney Weaver was heartless and foolish in its creation, and it shows on screen.
i cant wait for the final part--- i really hope you talk about ripleys ass, bc when i first saw the movie it was in it in the "rape"scene and it later disappeared...first i felt a bit bad for the actress for having to do it, but the longer i listen to you , the more i think Miss WEaver just wanted to moon the world
I think I have an explanation for how the eggs came to be on The Sulaco and hatch while everyone was in stasis. As Ripley shoos Newt into the sub-floor ducting and herself runs and prepares the power loader in the storage bay, the Queen has a short while unobserved. Now imagine - she had recently torn off her 'egg sack' to become mobile, but maybe a few eggs were still in the 'pipeline' (what do you call an alien reproductive tract?) within her body that are still dropping out slowly as she exerts herself on the hangar deck. In those minutes while Ripley is in the storage bay, the Queen could scoop up and hide these 'last chance' eggs (she has already been shown to be quite logical and cunning) in whatever nearby corners etc. that would give them a chance of surviving whatever was coming. She already knows that all of her brood were destroyed on the planet, and the survival of the species shows that they can adapt their reproductive cycle in emergency contingencies, so for her these eggs would be her last best hope. Perhaps that why she fought so hard to kill the humans (and android)? She wanted the ship to be an unmolested lifeboat for her and her offspring, rather than just wanting vengeance.
I loved this film and still do
There are many that agree with you. Many expressed the same in the comments for my past videos.
You're not allowed to. Stop loving it.
@@mattjindrak that’s what a commie cuck would say
alien 3 dildo...oh joystick.
Eric Buggy - aka Henry Sellers from Father Ted.
Thank you so much....this is awesome. I was really looking forward for this story. But what can i say? At first- and this is most important of all- there are three beloved characters killed off screen within a huge plothole just at the beginning......is there a worse start to continue a franchise? This is really annoying and i totally agree with Cameron. On the other hand i like the atmosphere of this movie so much. Dark, dirty and with no hope. In Alien we sided with space workers, in Aliens with a Marine platoon and now we are at the end of civilisation. We have do deal with murderers and rapists. An alien in this hostile environment seems to be an interesting thought. I made my peace with Alien 3. In comparison with a lot SciFi today it is just visionary. Greetings from Germany!
Many past films have been upgraded using the latest CGI...I think Alien 3 would benefit with a reworking of its "cartoonish" early CGI to blend in better with the brillant practical effects. To upgrade and re-edit a definitive version of this film is a necessity and it will perhaps bring the controversy of A3 to a close...but who am I kidding! I think the film is a flawed jewel. And if you want to continue a franchise, killing off the main characters is not the way to go.
Your idea is a good one. Some folks site the effects as a reason why they hate Alien 3.
It's worth doing though I don't think the director would want to be involved in the reshoot, which would be a shame. And thanks for posting this great content@@RepresentThis
@@MG-iv9nw More to come and thanks for being a part of the channel.
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Nothing would save the turd that is Alien 3.
They should have left out the whole egg plot and given Newt a Xeno birth.
The moment Ripley saves her in the hive of a facehugger doesn't mean she's already had one (Aliens)
Agreed, it would have made more sense than what they did.
There is only one thing in this world that made Alien 3 a good movie. This one thing elevated the film far beyond what it would have been without it.
And that one thing was… Alien 4.
That movie was such an abomination of terrible story, terrible adherence to their own established universe and cartoon physics. The film just was random scenes stitched together that someone figured would make a story afterwards… But they’ve got the alien underwater, so that’s pretty cool. No reason for any of this to make any sense. Let’s get some smart ass snappy dialogue in there too… there that will fix it!
Alien 3 deserves an Oscar over the pile of garbage that Alien 4 was.
I agree. I was so so let down by the Alien 3 plotholes. I remember being in shock that 4 was even more dumb. But even that was topped, as Covenant takes the top prize for unrealistic absurdity. I did enjoy Prometheus, in parts. In hindsight, Alien 3 is a nice stand-alone movie. But only Alien and Aliens have any sensible cannon.
Awesome vid. Always loved Alien 3, just rewatched it yesterday to refresh my memory and enjoying the deep dive.
As much as I love Newt and Hicks, I’m okay that they died. It took me 20 years to come to this decision. Quite frankly, it would’ve been lazy to keep them alive.
I just couldn't care about anyone in this movie. There was noone to root for their survival. Just like in A:Covenant.
Dillon, surely? His speech was great.
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Really digging this series. I’ve always been interested in this shitshow production but info is lacking. Why couldn’t they just let Fincher cook 😤
11:20 - The comment from that user. What? I think he needs some counselling. How many stereotypical 50's housewives have to arm themselves and defend the "family" by literally destroying another. Plus would it not be the man driving the forklift truck in your fantasy? Come on mate. That's that kind of pseudo-intellectual, film school, talk that people don't question enough on the basis that "it sounds smart". It's crappy motivated reasoning that ignores the parts of the argument that don't fit.
P.S. this is not aimed at the creator of this video. Discovered you two days ago man, love your videos. Nice and calm, not the typical "content creator". Dare I say I like all three original Alien movies. As long as it's the director assembly of 3. Alien & Aliens is like T1 & T2. Different, because they didn't just redo the same movie for the sequel (mostly, (which you know you said in Newt's voice)). Of course Alien & T1 are the truly interesting ones, but to do the same thing over for the sequel would have been a sin.
i've loved Alien since 86, but i don't know how a facehugger could latch on to anything with a snout. I've also never seen any art of a facehugger on something with a snout... so I don't know how there are alligator xenomorphs and stuff... or even the dog alien in the movie. I couldn't get into the movie because I couldnt even see a facehugger on a dog, and they never tired to show it.
I think it would be my 2nd favorite Alien movie. Aliens is my favorite though.
20th Century fox / producers ~ really screwed up with that 'On Earth' 1991 teaser trailer ~ also with their whole 'set next year's release date before you lock the script' thing. And this procedure - has ruined 'many' a studio movie. I love how the show 'The Boys' ~ announces a release date ~ 'once' ~ it's got every single frame ~ 'exactly where they want it'. So that no one involved in the Production is stressed and jumping through unrealistic hoops - on pain of personal burnout - to meet a deadline - that has ( in the past ) been placed to accentuate box office returns - at 'certain times of the year'. Mark Verheiden's amazing early 1990's Aliens Dark Horse Graphic Novel - would have made a 'Laurence of Arabia' level Epic - of this Earth based tale - of Aliens overrunning our Planet. That book is a work of art.
I saw Alien 3 on VHS in 1993 and all I remember from that viewing is me no longer being inetersted in any more Alien movies but becoming an instant fan of David Fincher to the point where I travelled 100 miles to watch Se7en.
I remember seeing it in theaters . I took my younger brother and i was left stunned on how depressing it was. It has high production values, but isn't a good film at all. The Assembly cut is the best version , but it's still a mess. The death of Newt and Hicks completely sours the film from the start . It's not terrible , but this idea of Alien 3 should've never been made
On the subject of an alien embryo switching hosts; there is an identical issue with an egg being deposited in either the trachea or esophagus. How would a host not immediately notice it upon regaining consciousness? They’d either not be able to breathe, or swallow.
This movie destroyed itself and its chances of being successful or decent really in the first 2 minutes of the movie
first message is interesting, sometimes that's life, people fight to survive but don't make it.
Posting this comment to feed the algorithm.
...like a face-hugger feeds its host.
I wonder if I always enjoyed Alien3 because it was released at the time I was ready for it, having been shown 1 and 2 when I was basically a child. A3 had Nintendo and Sega games, I read the books. It was easy to forgive it its faults and simply enjoy it as Ripley's journey. I think fondly of it despite hearing the production hell.
I'm a big fan of Alien 3. For me it's a solid Alien film and better than the hate it gets. Has some flaws but it has more to offer than what you think. I always enjoyed watching it.
This is my favorite movie franchise and Alien³ is still my favorite movie, i once was so obsessed with the film that i saw it 6 times in a week, each time it was a different experience, it also has my favorite score in the franchise alongside Covenant Jed Kurzel’s
I am right with you on the score order. Alien 3 score is the best then Covenant. I then defer to the first Alien.
I've said this for decades, and I'll say it again. Alien 3 makes for an AWESOME novel, but a horrible movie.
14:32 well l mean, if it was inside your chest cavity like normally they did... wouldnt you then feel it too? Maybe they secrete some kind of numbing agent to "anesthetize" that area in particular but idk. Or they rest inside your intestines anything its possible
I saw Alien 3 when it was first in theaters in 1992. I didn’t hate it, but I certainly didn’t like it either. Today, Alien 3 is a movie I hate because it wrecks the logical progression of the story from the first two movies and the continuity between Aliens and Alien 3 is just plain awful. The author of this video is correct about having to do absurd mental gymnastics to make having yet another alien stowed away on the drop ship to kill off Newt and Hicks. The explanation still doesn’t make sense and still doesn’t work for me.
It is a hard thing to get past to be sure and I understand why you see the film the way you do. Thanks for your comment.
I watched it on VHS when it was released because I was too young to see it in the theatres. Me and my buddies loved it.
Newt was cocooned, so they could have said there was something inside of her that burst out during the hypersleep (or whatever it's called)
Yes, that is another possible theory mcfmcf. Thanks for sharing it.
I remember thinking along those lines when watching Alien 3 on VHS when it was released as a kid. I was too young at the time to watch it at the cinema so we waited for the VHS to drop. Me and my buddies loved the film at the time, we were 12.
It is a great movie, slow paced but still great.
I'm kicking myself for only finding this series now. much respect to you brother.
There is much to come, especially with this franchise. We're so glad you visited us.
I think Alien 3 is a great follow up to the two movies before it. First you have survival horror, then you have action horror, and then you have abject misery personified.
Everything about Alien 3 is washed out and drained of life, exactly what Ripley should be experiencing considering what she had been through by that point. She survived the first encounter, the rose to the challenge of the second encounter taking back power in order to save others, by the third encounter she has to accept the Xenomorph as a lasting part of her life.
Her child lived and died while she was lost on her way back home. The world she had grown up in, and then relearned to live in after her return would have again moved on leaving her out of place, out of time, with no one left alive that she had known. Newt and Hicks and Bishop all gone and she finds herself stuck with morons and prisoners on an abandoned dirt ball with no weapons and no hope of escape, only to learn that she has been infested with a Xenomorph queen.
Is it a perfect story? Not really, as the video above states even the concept that the alien egg somehow got on the ship is a problem and without it the story can't happen. Is it a well made film? Not really, the effect really didn't hold up in a lot of places.
Was it thematically fitting? I would argue absolutely it is. No matter how hard she tried Ripley could not escape the Xenomorph, could not beat it. It was the only consistent part of her existence that remained with her no matter which time period she woke up in. The perfect predator consistently being defeated by any one person undermines the entire concept of them being perfect, in this film Ripley's luck finally runs out and the most she can hope to achieve is to stop them with a sacrifice.
Does that story make for an enjoyable summer blockbuster experience? No, its miserable and you walk away sad. Does that mean the story shouldn't have been told? Also no, the thematic ending of Ripley's story is to me perfect and I am only saddened they decided to later undermine it in Alien 4 by making a comedy horror which brought her back as some weird clone.
The Xenomorph universe had a great deal of potential for exploring various stories, but because of public expectation of seeing the same movie they already enjoyed again but slightly different this time, the alien movies devolved into a formulaic boring and predictable collapse, which is where the prequels ended up, with the first trying to do everything it could to not have a Xenomorph at all and the second trying to replicate the feeling of the first two movies without having anything to really contribute.
I have a generally positive opinion of Alien 3 for being so utterly shameless in its embrace of misery to set itself apart from the previous movies, it could have taken the universe in very strange and abstract explorations of cosmic horror. I also understand why so many people detest it and have such a negative opinion of it.
And just to add, do I think the story could have been written better, made more sense and still held that same feeling of exhaustion of a solider that has spent years fighting a hopeless battle of survival? Yes, 100%.
Personally, I feel like the disaster going on behind the scenes in writing and producing spilled over into everyone just being exhausted and miserable and that came across in how the film feels, I don't feel like it was a specific decision by anyone to aim for that, but its how it turned out.
Abject misery in the audience more like it.
@@jhoughjr1When we are talking about a story that centres around a species of Alien like the Xenomorph, that is in fact a part of the experience that the audience should be confronted with.
The idea that all the Alien films have to have a hopeful, happy end is anathema to the Xenomorphs being an actual threat. They are in such a story relegated to loony tunes level jokes, the stakes and drama are completely drained, and the films become about watching just to see which people die in what horrible way and which person gets to survive because they weren't dumb.
The threat they represent in the first film is that anyone could die, Ripley isn't a hero that rises to defeat the evil. These things are an unstoppable killing machine and Riply is lucky to survive.
The more stories that follow that same formula, the less threatening and unstoppable the Xenomorph become.
Yes it's miserable for the audience, it was also miserable for the actors, the directors, the producers and the studio. The misery of this unending threat permeates through every aspect, because it forces us to confront the fact the threat the Xenomorphs represent is unending and exhausting.
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Fun fact to break the gloom more; Prequel-Trilogy Swordmaster Nick Gillard (playing Prisoner Martin) was also inside the Alien Queen puppet in “Aliens” piloting the left two of her four arms. 😊👍🏼⚔️
Great video
l remember watching Alien 3 on TV when l was a little boy was my first Alien movie ever, through out time watched it many times though never completely from begging to end and l have to say never really understood much about what was going on but the fact that a killing creature was trying to kill everybody, and you know what that is everything l need to know to enjoy this kind of movies. The stealth and intelligent aspect of the main antagonist its the best feature everything else for me its secondary
4:30: more like fartin away.
I saw Alien 3 in the theaters when it came out. There were some great elements, but overall I remember being disappointed and underwhelmed. Alien was the introduction and Aliens was the progression of the story. Alien 3 didn't do anything to progress the overall story. But I saw the assembly cut many years later - it made the movie much better and more interesting.
To me there was only one facehugger with a queen and a drone, and a not fully formed chestburster crawled from Newt's dead body to Ripley. But the art in the comic book adaptation is terrible and awful. The alien is very poorly portrayed, the colors are garish, the backgrounds are almost all very generic and repetitive, the humans have all wrong proportions and except for Ripley, all of them looks the same. So I wouldn't use it as a refference out of the general storytelling. My guess is that a not fully formed chestburster would be more like one of Giger's worms, lets say like the one seen in Poltergeist 2. I could believe something like that could make it's way to a persons' heart without much problems.
It's a very practical theory mike. Thanks for putting it out there.
Hey, regarding the issue of the egg on the Sulaco - I've actually written a screenplay for a film that tells a story of what occurred behind the scenes between Ripley being discovered on the Narcissus and then again on the EEV - egg included. The way the egg gets onboard in my story is totally different from any alternative theory I've ever heard. Would anyone be interested in reading it?
Yeah, you got a site you want me to post for you in the description?
The fact that we still discuss this movie speaks volumes. Alien3 is by far one of the best in the franchise and I wouldn`t be surprised if it will climb as the years goes by. The nihilistic approach from Fincher strenghten the mythology about the xenomorh and its universe. Once Alien3 is showing, I can`t turn the TV off. As the years goes by more people will take the red pill and discover what an outstanding "alien movie" Fincher made.
I can't keep talking about it in the same way I can't keep talking about films like Battlefield: Earth, The Phantom Menace, or The Matrix: Reloaded.
It’s not remembered for being the best.
Thanks for another great video, I love your take on things. I saw Alien3 and more-or-less wrote it off but then I managed to get hold of the Assembly Cut, and now I've converted to loving it. Another example in the Alien franchise of what we could have seen, as opposed to what we actually got. The more I come across incidents like this in all sorts of movies - not just the Alien saga - the more I despair at the studio system and greedy producers. Hell should have a special place for the likes of Giler and Hill.
There you are CMDR. Been wondering where you were as I did not hear from you the last few vids.
@@RepresentThis I'm getting old and my body seems to think I'm ready to give up. Fear not, I'll hang on by my finger-nails if only to experience the pleasure I get from watching your videos. I do appreciate your concern and thank you again.
I love this movie. Sorry. My order is Alien, Alien 3, Aliens.
I used to think Aliens was the best film as a kid probably because I was more into action as a kid, but the older I get the more I prefer Alien and Alien 3. Aliens is a bit tedious now, especially the longer cut.
@@Fedorevsky I enjoy Aliens. It's a fun action film with some great characters and quippy lines, but it's not a horror film (neither is Resurrection). I love Alien and 3 both as good films and as horror films. They're tight, spare, claustrophobic, beautifully shot (minus some of the CGI in 3), and - before I knew them front to back - they're both freaking scary.
yeah, Resurrection is all over the place in genre and tone. Hard to pin down, probably since it was made by someone more into art films than genre films and with a very European sensibility. I agree about 1 and 3 being the only real horror films and they definitely scared me when watching them the first time as a kid. I was 12 or 13 when Alien 3 came out and had seen the two other movies fairly recently before that at 11-12ish for the first time@@Blaize24
@@Fedorevsky I was 14 when Alien was released. My dad took me to see it and I loved it and it was scary as hell. Aliens was a fun romp. I heard all the complaints about 3 (not specifics, just how much people hated it) before I saw it but I loved it even in that first theatrical cut viewing and again it was so scary - not only the monster this time but in an existential way and with all the nihilism. I kind of love AlienRipleyClone's attitude and snark, but I agree the movie is all over the place, and it's not very good IMHO. And I actually feel kinda bad watching the baby get sucked out of its own skin through the pinhole (I *was* that kid who rooted for the monster in the old Dracula and werewolf Hammer and Universal flicks).
I rather like Resurrection too despite it's crazy tone and yeah it's for sure hard to argue for it as a good film, lol. I love the old Hammer/Amicus/Tigon stuff too as it was all over TV where I live growing up (Norway), it was one of my earliest introductions to horror and I would also root for the baddies at times depending on the film. I didn't actually watch any of the original Universal Frankenstein and Dracula films until much later as those where not as readily available here at the time.@@Blaize24
Awesome!
there are a lot of people out there with bad taste
And we at this channel are happy everyone have the tastes they have, like yourself.
I forgot about the action figures. I loved the queen. Lol
Never wanted to see it more than once really.
Your videos continue to sway me into my fascination with this film's depth and convincing me it's my favorite of the series.
I'm glad you feel that way, I'm sure part 2 will please you just as much. Thanks for your comment.
You can’t see the details because it’s so dark. Not lazy critics also interested audiences.
I think a lot of people, especially many who commented on my threads here would disagree with you, however that doesn't make your points invalid as many do not love this film either. As for lazy critics I am speaking about PROFFESIONAL ones who are supposed to see the details and nuance in movies for a living and many a popular critic sited this as a problem. Thanks for your thoughts.
23:05 yeah that sounds about right
What a find your channel is. It's like you can capture everything I love about old and modern TH-cam.
Thanks for that, really glad you're with us for our journey as the channel gets bigger. Got a lot of movies lined up to do and eager to hear more feedback.
Then good luck and much success to you.
Alien 3 is fantastic and Hicks and Newt dying is exactly the immediate gut-punch that makes it so. The Fincher cut is excellent and easily makes this a self-contained "canon" trilogy. Everything afterwards, especially Scott's awful hamhanded fiddling, is "alternate universe".
Alan Dean Foster's novelization is far better than the movie.
It couldn't possibly be worse.
Aliens was and is my favourite movie. I saw it multiple times in the theatre in ‘86, when I was a teenager. In the following years, I imagined where the next instalment would go and then got super excited when I saw the teaser posters. Then I saw the movie and was gutted with the early deaths. Looking at the movie now, I like it well enough but I still can’t forgive the unearned deaths of Hicks, Newt and Bishop.
The actor who played the cook - Niall Buggy (note they didn't change the character's surname from the actor's), was also Arthur Frayn AKA 'Zardoz' in that notably weird 1974 film and, famously for British and Irish viewers, the drunken TV presenter Henry Sellers in Father Ted.
Wasn't Zardoz weirdly awesome. Love those old 70's sci-fi films. Father Ted is also a great show. Thanks for sharing the extra details for folks.
The one with the toupe who ended up getting tranquilized by the police? HA! Never knew! The Three Faces of Elvis! 🤣
sack me?? I made the BBC!
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Is this part 3? Or is it a new series? I'm confused.
It is part 3 which is the analysis of the movie itself. I couldn't use the same title since it's not about producers anymore, so I changed it and used a different picture to distinguish it. I toyed with making it say part 3 but then again there might be folks looking for the picture and title for part 1 and 2 so I decided to make it part 1. Now I'm confused. Am I making sense? :)
I just got done watching all of your videos and I have to say, I'm a fan and a new subscriber. Love the straight forward and genuine approach you have to your videos. It's refreshing.
Plus, they're filled with so much information. Makes my nerd brain grow.
A lot more to come. Thanks for commenting.
This is fucking great. No matter how many times I've watched this movie, I'd never noticed all these details about each prisoner. A definite reason I love Alien 3 is that the characters are not spoon fed to the viewer. If the viewer does not actively watch the movie, he'll miss almost all character moments. This may be the case for all movies with a big cast, but not all do it well. Aliens was good in that many characters were distinct, despite their small screen time.
A movie that did it poorly was The Hobbit I-II-III. You see in the extras and documentaries that they actually thought about the personalities and backstories of each dwarf. Unfortunately, almost none of it is seen in the actual movies.
I agree with you completely about the Hobbit movies. I think those films could have been great had they gotten those details right. I'm glad your finding things you have never noticed before as that is always a goal in every video I try to make so it's real satisfying to hear you say this. We haven't even covered my favorite bit part prisoner who has the most depth out of all of them and I hope to see you in part 2 to see if your reaction remains the same. Thanks again.
@@RepresentThis I definitely will, I subscribed.
Alien 3 is morose, dull, and boring. It is also disrespectful to what came before. Fincher fortunately got to do better things.
I admire your tenacity at trying to autopsy this obscenity, but let's face it. This is the equivalent of deconstructing a bout of diaharrea.
Thus, my title of the analysis: The dichotomy of love and hate. Both sides have validity, and this is an argument that can't be won.
It was won the year it came out. The viewing public voted with their feet. Hauteurs can lament this as a misunderstood masterpiece all they want. I saw Jodorowsky's Dune and, while clearly visionary, I'm damned glad it didn't get made. "I must rape the story." WTFingF? A critic observed of The Force Awakens that a half dozen 12 year olds with some action figures could have crafted a more coherent story. A3 was spoiled by the proverbial "too many cooks," but made worse by clots of cooks all working to make a different soup. It'd be interesting to find out how many viewers actually went back 5 times? 2 times? 1 entire time? Piffle.
@@kevenpinder7025 Your opinion is valid but the people who love this film have seen it 5 times or more, own the DVD's, Blu-Ray, whatever and praise it. There are many examples in this chat and on my previous 2 videos on the making of the film. I agree on your views of Jadorowsky's Dune. The idea of a movie over 10 hours is just crazy but I think El Topo is a crazy film too but it's still an interesting study of film making. I'm sure someone out there thinks it's the greatest movie Ever made. Heck there are people out there who think the Force Awakens was the BESTEST Star Wars movie of all time. I might disagree but I'm not going to say factually they are wrong. I will just throw my case out and be move along. I'm really glad you put your thoughts out. Hope to see more of your comments in the future.
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I think I'm gonna make lots of comments on this one. Let's begin with the alien egg onboard the Sulaco, because everyone likes to pick this as the first "evidence" on why this movie is bad. If the egg was placed on the landing gear of the drop ship, no one would have said anything. It's more like a movie mistake than an impossible thing to happen. I like the DVD version trying to explain the egg on the dropship. It's the type of thing they could have reshoot and replaced the original scene on the Assembly Cut (the real movie cut) and no one else would b*tch about it anymore.
I like the idea of Newt having a drone inside her, and even getting out through her mouth, but not entering Ripley. But I prefer to imagine the facehugger didn't implant an embryo inside her at all and she just drowned. Whether she was awake or not and Clemens said she wasn't just to comfort Ripley.
I also think it would be an interesting edit having both the dog and the ox giving birth to an alien at the same time, giving the idea that there are two drones in the facility but the prisoners and Ripley think it's just one and they killed just one, and there's still another loose inside the facility. I like to imagine that this alien is walking towards the EEV at the end of the movie where Ripleys recording is playing. That would also open another possibility to continue the saga, but wouldn't invalidate Alien Res either.
By the way, I don't like to place Alien Res as Alien 4. For me it's like Star Wars Solo, it's a story just to expand the Universe but not necessarily fit inside the original timeline. So much could have happened between Alien 3 and Alien Res. There's so much room to explore the events of both Aliens and Alien 3. For example this second drone on the prison, but also, the Derelict Ship on LV-426 wasn't destroyed by Hadley's Hop atmospheric nuclear processor explosion - because of the distance you mentioned on your video.
Really liked the way you are going with the prisoners one by one, because I believe they are the most underrated part of the movie: first, the actors are phenomenal, giving a lot of character to each prisoner. Second due to the nature of the movie itself. Just like Ripley says "Do you think they are gonna care about a bunch of lifers who found God at the ass end of space?" She's not just talking about the company, but what the rest of humanity think about these prisoners and us, the audience, who hated the movie because they killed a possible more Space Marines like sequel, which the audience would have cared more. Third, because they are a menace to society just like the alien, but yet the corporation is more interested in the alien than in them. Take Clemens, for example, he made a mistake, got thrown into this prison and forgotten. Nobody would give him a second chance. Just to finish, I think this prison adds a lot of depth to the grim universe of the saga. Definitely a different direction than keeping Newt and Hicks alive, but an interesting direction nonetheless. A lot of the hate for this movie get is - also for the fact that we got a terrible cut and there are a lot of plot holes even in the Assembly Cut (it's a flawed movie) - because it wasn't what people were expecting to see, not the sequel they wanted, but doesn't mean it's a bad movie to be discarded or considered just "A hypersleep fever dream"...
I remember watching this at the cinema and coming out disappointed. I expected something like Aliens instead I got this dark, moody and morose film that killed of two of my favorite characters from Aliens. But over the years it has grown on me as I have grown older as well. Going from bad, to decent to pretty nice with the Assembly Cut. Does it have problems, oh yes, but I still like it more than Resurrection, Prometheus, Covenant and the the latest turd, Romulus.
One can only wonder what it would have been like without all the interference and a competent script from the beginning.
Details != quality
Depends on different tastes.
Yeess!!!! Next video!!!!
I love your videos about these movies.
Alien 3 (assembly cut) is a masterpiece. It elevated the alien back to its horror and mystery. The cinematography and score are amazing, and the weight of the drama and dread is met by the dialogue and acting.
Even myself, as a fan of Aliens, I was saddened by Newt and Hicks’ deaths. However, the movie isn’t about them, anymore than it was about the rest of the crew of the Nostromo nor the other Marines departed to LV-426. They are great characters, but as Dillon said in his eulogy, “nothing is certain, only some get saved and some get called.” The creature has no regard for “delusions of morality.”
Also, who gives a shit what James Cameron thinks? This is the same person who gave his stamp of approval for both Terminator: Genisys AND Dark Fate.
I watched Alien 3 at the cinema, I was 11 years old. I wasn’t very impressed, mostly amazed I got in to the cinema. I saw Aliens when I was approx 8 and loved the movie (too young to see it though). Over the following years/decades I reverted to watching Aliens often and Alien 3 very sparingly. With mostly disappointment.
It wasn’t until Alien Resurrection was released which I considered utterly abhorrent that I returned to Alien 3 with a new appreciation and started watching it more often with an interest. You couldn’t pay me to watch resurrection.
Aliens was an anomaly in the canon, a popcorn muncher of a movie that managed to have some great mood/lighting but that could not be allowed to be the template for the next movie if it didn't want to be a series of diminishing artistic returns. Of course I'd rather that Newt and Hicks didn't have to die for plot's sake but how else could they have been plausibly separated from Ripley? It'd be either bogus or cruel to have Newt be in another horrifying experience again. The best that could be hoped for in that scenario is the prisoners would aim to protect Newt from the alien. But the idea of murderers and rapists being near a little girl would itself cause controversy. Newt would also become essentially invincible, which would make the movie unscary, because viscerally killing young children on screen in movies is a big no no.
I saw this in the theater when I was ten and it was the first time I realized that a big movie could be bad. Alien 3 on SNES was great because Ripley was basically Rambo. I wonder how it would change the story if the prison was a ship rather than on a planet
10:50 LMFAO I've never heard this from anyone, online or in person.
Let me be the first for ya;
Aliens is a 2 hour cheesy 80's one-liner toy commercial.
The Queen was cool tho...till the corny power loader fight scene hahaha
Well, now is your chance. If you go into my Alien 3: Moron's INC, part 1 vid you will see several comments that express this. I think there are some in part 2 and out of respect to all points of views I wanted to note it.
The older I get the more I agree with this notion, I find Aliens rather tedious nowadays with some really cool scenes here and there and some cool concepts like the queen. Much prefer the themes of Alien and Alien 3. @@frankthecat1660