Admech player here, I love my army, but if you were starting from scratch in 10th I would recommend any other army. The costs are absolutely insane at this point.
Honestly, while it is an expensive army to collect, if you take your time as they can be quite fiddly to put together it’s not too bad in the long run, plus there may be more value boxes like the old Christmas one in the future too.
I would also like to point out that no one will just stop at 2000 points and run the exact same list until the edition changes. People build up to 2K points and then buy additional units so that they can play different lists and builds this further increasing the cost.
Thank you so much for your kind words, I really do appreciate that! Don’t worry my aim is to keep bringing more beginner content to help more people into this fantastic hobby 🙂 If you have any topics you’d like covered do let me know.
I told a newbie on a 40k discord that an army costs $800, a few members of the community were furious with me since "YOU CAN GET 2x LEVIATHAN AND HAVE 2k MARINES!" like thats a valid army or collection strategy.
I mean there are plenty of ways to make an army cheaper to collect than what the competitive players are using/most optimal builds at the time. End of the day as long as you’re happy and enjoying yourself that’s all that matters 👍 But 2x leviathan box certainly isn’t remotely recommended for Space Marines..
I just realized that here in the US the price is just worse, beyond pounts per dollar. For instance, Orks converted to dollars is $776, but with the prices here its $956. The Admech one would cost $1330 here which would be about 1047 pounds, rather than the 752.5 it actually costs in the UK. Also generally the cheapest part of Admech lists IS the vehicles, specifically breachers, or kastellans if you use them. And the list you gave was using 18 of them, so imagine if we leaned more into the other strong units instead
As someone who works in international shipping. The additional cost on a box once tarrifs, duties, and shipping costs are paid would be a few dollars depending on the size of the box and how many fit one a container. And roughly a 27% increase for exchange rate. So a box that is 100 pounds for example should be 130ish american dollars
Living in EU I barely heard much of anyone saying much how expensive the hobby is, I mean sure it's expensive everyone knows that, but given the amount of time to put into it and you trade that for something else, it could be worse. But learning the US just got like a 20-30% increase in their pricing makes me get all the "Traded my kidney for Warhammer minis" jokes over the internet that likely comes from mostly US people.
Anyone in the US looking for a quick converios can just take any of these numbers and divide it by 0.75, however that will just give you a conversion. Prices in the US are higher than the UK prices, so beyond the higher conversion rate the prices are even higher than that
I realize this video is old but I found it really helpful both in estimating the rough cost globally of "an army" but also narrowing down what I'd like to be looking at for myself in the Grey Knights that I have selected as my chapter. When you made this video you arrived at £389.00, a direct exchange to US dollars at the time it was made would have been around $493.00. Looking at the composition of the army you covered for the Grey Knights today (using no substitutions) I arrive at a cost in US of roughly $585.75, the bulk of the difference seeming to be the asymmetrical uptick in price for Kaldor Draigo, the Redeemer, Stormraven and Callidus Assassin. When I take the two vehicles out of the equation, I'm at $382.75 for 35 units, or, just under $11 per unit.
I loved seeing this content! My only gripe is in not making as much use of combat patrols as you could. E.g., for gsc, the list only uses acolyte and neophyte hybrids from the combat patrol. Those would cost 92.5, vs. 95 for the combat patrol, which would also net a truck, some aberrants, and a magus. For actual savings, drukhari uses everything but the archon and the incubi. The costs of the units that do get used are: 100. So buying the combat patrol would save 5 quid and give you extra models above and beyond the army.
That’s a good point and that’s why the grey knight one is so good. Although with the changes to Drukhari with the skysplinter detachment and Archon’s now able to join Incubi it makes that combat patrol even better!
For the Brotherhood Librarian of the Grey Knights, just use an Space Marines Librarian Consul or Librarian in Terminator Armour, and paint it grey instead of Blue.
After starting(restarting)40k 2 years ago today, I can say choosing necrons in 9th was a great call. Ease of painting made it great for experimenting, acclimatizing, and treating the models more like a painting. The rules were great for learning and adapting to games shifting in and out of my favor, people enjoyed playing against me, and they were reasonably affordable. But, boy do I wish I had picked Thousand sons instead of tyranids for my second army. All the space and money I'd have saved. I guess I'll just have to live with them being a third. Anyway, I'm pretty shocked at HOW much that Druhkari list went up with the talos kits. The combat patrol is a pretty great deal for them and I think they don't have to be painful to collect. But ,watching the counter go from 232 to 457 made my do a spit-take. I really hope the new points and their codex are kind to them.
Thanks for sharing that! The Necrons were great and that indomitus box was a joy to paint up. Glad you had a really great experience with them. Sorry to hear about your thoughts after picking a second army, the Tyranids range refresh is great, yeah there is quite a lot of them. At least you didn’t pick Genestealer cults or guard if you wanted more room! To be fair with this hobby we all end up accumulating more and more models and hopefully one day you do get to try out those thousand sons, they are lovely models (especially Magnus) although the trim can be a little overwhelming, especially coming from Necrons/nids. In terms of the Drukhari, I personally wouldn’t want to run 3 Cronos and 3 Talos as there are so many wonderful kits from their rework. Like the Incubi, witches, more kabalites and so on. I’m sure once they receive a codex or changes in a dataslate then more of the potentially cheaper lists (with the use of the combat patrol) could start appearing. The only issue for Drukhari is that they can be used as allies for Ynarri so it’s making sure they don’t end up skewing those lists. Thanks again for the comment and hope you have a great time playing with your Necrons and Nids going forward!
@@TheCommandPhase Thanks for responding! I do have a lot of fun playing my tyranids and going to town painting them, I think I just wish there wasn't QUITE so many models of the same type to paint. But I adore using vanguard, and I probably would have grabbed them eventually. I also hope that the next drukhari patrol is as good and has some boats in it still, this one is so perfect! I'll be keeping an eye on the channel too, you're doing a great job!
No problem at all and thank you for the kind words about the channel, I really do appreciate it! I’ve just picked up a few nids myself as I loved the look of the new Deathleaper model, although with Sisters and Orks I’m used to sizeable armies xD Glad you’re having a lot of fun though, that’s the main thing! I’ll be keeping an eye on how the combat patrols are changing as the releases come out, it may well end up being one to grab before it does, but you are right, it’s a great box that really embodies what the army is about.
When it comes to the Plague Marines, you actually need to look at what they're equipped with, because each box of 7 doesn't build enough options, so it is more like TEN boxes of Plague Marines for the DG list
That's a good point, I should have looked a little closer at, but I think from looking at the competitive list just now I think it might just be 3 extra meltaguns needed, so definitely a bits supplier for those rather than buying extra whole boxes.
If your savy with converting and green stuff I'd say go with the new horus heresy mkIII tactical set, you get 20 marines in one box plus it is in theme with the death guard. then invest in the special HH special weapons box which gives you so many plasmas and Melta guns (note i feel the rotor cannons barrel can be snippied off and made shorter to resemble a blight weapon) plus I prefer the look of volkites to plasmas but the plasma option is always there if you want it. It pretty much cuts the cost of the marines by half. If you need close combat heavy weapons just look for power fist bits.
Dont forget to factor in paints and dyes, paint brushes, glues, crafting blades, basing materials, model storage and transportation.....and thats only to get the models buolt and painted. To actually play, you need a board or a battle mat, terrain, dice, books, table (assuming youre not playing at a gaming store that will provide at least the table, map, and terrain).
As and old man (started with 2nd edition) something that isn’t mentioned too much is how much larger armies have gotten. I still have a few armies from way back and while in 2e/3e they were 1500 or 2000, pointed out in 10th the range from 800-1300 pts. So not only are the models more, but you need nearly twice as many of them.
That’s a great point. I mean Votann had a pretty substantial change from 9th to 10th with their massive points drop and then the first balance dataslate we got late last year meant my list had another 400 points to spend on top! I’d love to try and find the points costs of armies from say 2nd/3rd edition and compare it to now.
@@TheCommandPhase for just one iconic example a 10 man Space Marine tactical squad in 2e cost 300pts before any wargear or heavy/special weapons. Whereas now a tactical squad (first born) is 160 with free wargear. You need to buy (and paint!) almost twice as many miniatures to be able to field an army
Used to play 40k Space Marine 30 years ago. Me and the lads were young teenagers....two of my friends also had very large Warhammer armies. None of us had much disposable income from Saturday/Sunday jobs etc. Bulk of armies was built from plastic box sets with hero's etc as cast models. Glad to see 40k still going strong, and these modern sculpts are very very nice, but £500+ for an army is just preposterous.
Thanks for the comment. You were like many of us then, using up all your pocket money/part time job to buy into this game and honestly since covid I don't think the game has ever been more popular (as a whole). But yes, the prices are a bit on the crazy side these days directly from Games Workshop, although as mentioned there definitely are ways to make it a lot cheaper with a little bit of work/shopping around. Especially Space Marines on the secondary market. I think I've probably still got a fair few of those metal models somewhere!
1.) 40k is expensive, but wait until people find out how many models you need to play 2k points of the old world/fantasy. 40k was originally touted as the cheaper alternative to WHFB, and it's still the case. 2.) All GW is expensive, not just 40k. However, if you're one of the many people who's local scene doesn't have a strong community for Mantic/Parabellum/Warlord games/etc. Then what you're really paying for is a "Guaranteed to find opponents" Tax. You can go to any game store in the world and find a game of 40k... the same definitely can't be said for Deadzone, Konflict 47, Kings of war, etc.
These are fantastic points, thank you for sharing. I agree it’s a pretty expensive hobby overall but for sure people can make it cheaper or more expensive depending on their army/game choices. Totally agree about the “Gaming tax” as you put it to be able to play the game as it’s such a popular game compared to many others that you’ve mentioned. I’ve not tried them myself, but that’s probably more down to loving the models made by GW for far too long in my life. My friends do have some other gaming systems to try, but we always end up going back to 40K.
@TheCommandPhase That's usually how it goes. 40k has such a unique IP and game system that can't really be replicated without very real possibilities of copyright law being violated. It's almost impossible to replace 40k with a different game system, but the other game systems are perfect for if you and your scene is getting burned out on 40k.
you can put together a competitive custodes army with two combat patrol boxes and two or three custodian/allarus/warden boxes. probably around $400-$450.
While correct, these armies were formed off of actual competitive lists. If we were going for the cheapest way to assemble an army, then none of these lists are valid, but that was never the point. :)
@@daringdarius5686 custodes battleline units are very strong. you can make a list thats just all custodians and its a top tier competitive list. i definitely think theyre the cheapest army overall to get tournament ready while having a good shot at winning the tournament. Being easy to paint is a plus as well. Theyre my recommended faction for anyone looking to start playing competitively.
@@Khobai I will say, custodes is EASILY the best army for someone new to the hobby for every reason under the sun. They could completely give up on the painting (because it's hard) and just spray paint them gold lol
The custodes are one of the best/easiest armies to start playing with in terms of overall cost small amount o f models to build, easy to paint up like you said too. While their combat patrol is good, those bikes need a bit of help as they're currently pretty poor compared to the other datasheets and I didn't see many at all in current "meta" lists when reseaching for this video. Hopefully in their new codex we might see a bit of a resurgence from them as I love the bike models. Plus the captain on bike's ability is pretty good. But yes, overall the Custodes are a very good budget faction to start playing with.
@@TheCommandPhase honestly taking 6 vertus praetors really doesnt matter all that much. Absolute worst case a unit of 6 is like 60 points overcosted. If you enter a tournament with 6 vertus praetors in your list i highly doubt thats going to be the deciding factor whether you place or not. That said I do think vertus praetors should probably be T7 and 70-75 points each.
One of my favorite 40k channels that doesnt make any content. Let's go buddy! Your format op! Closest hobby shop to me wouldn't even give me 5% off nevermind the 15 to 20 we can get off regularly off of the internet.
Wow, thank you for the kind words! Glad you are enjoying the content! Not every LGS is great at giving discount like some of the online ones, you’re in the same boat as me with your closest hobby store being RRP. Thankfully for me a fair number of great online stores are really reliable here that I tend to order from the majority of the time.
@@TheCommandPhase I look foward to more videos. This is great way to consume 40k content again with the format its perfect. I use to play at the closest store but an awkward dynamic came of it because I only ever purchased paint and stuff and never ever any models yet would bring in new models every week lol so they basically dogged me out of playing there but I haven't quit!
Glad you like them. I can kind of see both sides, although if you were regularly purchasing your hobby supplies from them, it's a shame that wasn't enough. But I guess the markup on those models if they aren't at a discount is a fair whack of money for the store. I get most of my stuff online these days, but dod pop into my local store for the odd event and may well pick up a box or something while I'm there (mainly for lack of self control!) Good that you haven't quit though and I'm sure there would be hobby groups in your area for games.
I have been a fan of Warhammer since 1992. I will never, ever spend another penny at games workshop. Absolutely ridiculous. At this price, the models should literally be cast in bronze. Literally.
I mean there are a fair number of ways to reduce the cost, but if other players are anything like me we end up just buying more models with the savings 🤦♂️ Glad you enjoyed it 👍
As someone hos still very noob like to warhammer, its been a very casual 12 months since i purchased myfirst models, which was about £180 of grey knights, then my partner wanted to get involved so grabed a few Slannesh models, and myself some Nurgle.....which both had about 700-900pts for AoS and cost a out £220, then i purchased some nurgle for about 700 pts and £120
I'm at the printing stage of my fandom Especially since I started Grey Knights to get into 10th and their entire range outside of Crowe needs a refresh. I augmented some stuff I already had, but I did print proxies for my strike squads that fit the aesthetic and are scaled to be primaris-sized. It makes my terminators looks like dwarfs, but I'm assuming down the road the GK Termis and Strike boxes will be redone I also proxied Draigo because $30-50 for an online only out of stock resin mini that clutch to the faction is a hearty kick in the pants
That's a whole different conversation to be fair and also depends on which hobby products people have already or if starting from scratch. But needless to say it would be a fair chunk more if they were just starting out, depeding on how people would prefer to paint (ie contrast or layering).
@@TheCommandPhase That's a fair response, but what about another video averaging out the additional cost of paints too. I bet certain armies would on average use up a lot more paint (and time, while we are estimating and summing the costs), and it would be cool to know just what one is getting themselves into when those, like myself, are considering coming back into the hobby from complete scratch. Thanks for responding to me btw.
No worries at all. I guess that would depends on colour scheme and such. But I could certainly dig out the old battle ready for each armies box art scheme and add up all the prices there. “Parade” ready is another ball game entirely but a good idea, thank you! I’ll look into that as a follow up to this, once I’ve sorted the video about reducing the costs.
@@TheCommandPhase Best of luck with that! I'm sure it means alot to many other people out there too, who have so much else on their plates and don't have time to do all the calculations and such. You are doing the community a real service with info like this - so once again, Thank You!
my last 2 armies (chaos knights and genestealer cults) came to under £300 each, my black legion currently at about 7k is like 5 or 6 times that cos ive collected every model. comes down to what you want pay for, a 2k list or a collection
Oh 100% you can make collecting an army a lot cheaper than going directly, which I’ll be chatting about in a future video. But a GSC army under £300 is really good fair play 👍
@@TheCommandPhase got shadow throne half from a friend £45, combat patrol £80, boarding patrol £60, set of new genestealers couple of characters, ridge runner and a guard kit from ebay! Hoping to play them next week
Both of those are fantastic armies which I’m sure you’ll have a lot of fun with. Especially if you like the sound of lots of melee combat. Loads of really awesome models in their ranges too! Hope you have fun deciding which you like the look of the most and welcome to the hobby! Any questions let me know 👍
They weren’t included as they don’t have a detachment of their own and just ally into other imperium armies. Hopefully they get a detachment/codex of their own in the future. Hope that clears it up.
just the plastic price alone is bad enough then you have the route of painting yourself which is hard or easy varies from people to people , i myself never satisfy with my own skill so i have to commission the whole 2000 point instead
I don’t know how much it would cost to get an army commissioned but I totally get never being happy with my own paint jobs. It’s something I certainly need to start learning to accept and use it as a learning experience for the next one. Easier said than done of course!
I thought Genestealer Cult woult be expensive and Guard. Also Adeptus Sorroritas. My armies are actually quite Cheap, but probably not competitive. Space Hulk 1st Edition (1989) provided some Terminators and Genestealers for my Space Wolves and Nids armies. Then Advanced Space Crusade (1991) provided me with 6 nid warriors, 10 Sniper Scouts and 5 Wolf Scouts with a bit of a kit bash. My 2nd Ed Bjorn was about £20 new I think? Then I had an Iron Priest who was probably £3, plus 7 Wolfguard Terminators who were probably £15 for a box? My 2 x Grey hunters are kitbashed out of an early 90s Tactical Squad that cost £10 I think? Then it probably cost me £35 to £45 to kitbash my Long Fangs. The Nids that were added were 2 x Carnifexes and 2 x Hive Tyrants that were probably £20 each in 1993/1994? Then I got an extra 3 warriors - probably £10. Then, 2 Biovores and a Lictor with 6 Spore Mines - so probably about £25 all in? Oh the Space Wolves have a recent Dreadnought £37.50? So if we factored £50 for each army for the copies of SPace Hulk and Advanced Space Crusade that puts the Nids at £165 for approx 1600 pts? Space Wolves at about £175 for 1500 points approx? Though the Sniper Scouts are in Legends now so... Adeptus Sororitas, I have got the Sanctorum Guard for Xmas, so it was sort of Free but cost someone £100 ? Then I added 3 Arco Flags from Ebay for £10 or so? Dialogus, Hospitalier, Imagifier, Missionary - maybe £70 worth? And I got 5 Retributors and Exorcist for next Xmas so about £75 worth? I wanted to add Celestine and Zephyrim to take them up to 1500 pts. Probably be about £300 to get to 1500 pts. Not sure about where I'll go from there.
Ah prices from the good old days! In terms of your sisters army, with the new codex coming out in the next few months, hopefully it'll add some more variety to list building, but from what you have currently you're in a great place. Probably looking at maybe a rhino or two to transport some more repentia, or grabbing a couple seraphim squads with hand flamers to come on the back field and cause problems to some smaller units wouldn't be a bad shout. The triumph has just had a small nerf, but is a fantastic models and certainly one I'd recommend, even just for the collection. The best part of that army is that all the models look fantastic :)
@@TheCommandPhase yeah, triumph looks amazing, but not sure my skills are up to doing it justice. I can see why they changed it, the way it was if you saved your dice and did re-rolls and make and miracle dice a six you could potentially just make something happen in a later turn. Mi instinct is Celestine + Zephyrim to get to 1500 then maybe immolator, Castigatir more arco flagellants or some Repentia? Maybe even a couple of crusaders to put with a cheap character to go after empty objectives or throw into battle to generate miracle dice for the stronger units. Aside from solid anti-tank and anti-monster I think the Sisters actually have some real flexibility and options.
Do these prices factor in things like Combat Patrol boxes, where multiple units are cheaper? Also, if you think UK prices are scary, you should see what things cost when they go on sale in New Zealand!
Oh for sure the NZ prices are eye watering! These prices did include combat patrols where possible for the lists that could utilise them to save money, but not many of these competitive lists did. Think it was just the Tau, World Eaters, Votann and Death Guard.
Having checked everything my end you are correct, alas that was what was in the list online and I should have double checked that before utilising it in this video.
I'm a new player looking to get into war hammer and start my first army, my top three favorites picks right now are Tau, Orks and then Adeptus mechanicus, that being said i like the looks of the black templar, grey knights and astra militarum the hobby seems so expensive in general then add in i seem to have a liking for the most expensive armys to build and then add the ol' down under tax, welp rip wallet
I feel for you trying to collect Warhammer down under. There are ways to make it cheaper with online local game stores, possible international shipping and the second hand market at least. Do you have one faction that really speak to you? Where you really like the models the most?
@@TheCommandPhase hey mate just wanna say thank you, your videos have been such a huge help and I really enjoy the quality so keep up the great work. The tau honestly are my favourite so far I just love the look of the mechs and I’ve started reading some lore and the farsight enclave seem super badass so I think that’s where I’m headed. I’m gonna order a smaller kit first and dabble with the painting before I fully commit myself.
@ethankeon8152 I’m very glad to hear you’ve been enjoying the videos. Farsight is an amazing character, has a good novel and a badass model so hope you have a great time collecting them 👍
I'm thinking about to start this hobby but these prices are insane for a bit of plastic..hate me for this but für 500-700 € you can get a 3d printer and print this almost for free
I can understand the point of view for 3D printing and if the models are proxies for these units, rather than exact files of GW miniatures then definietly have fun doing that. Plus decorations/accessories for your units. Loads of companies out there with some amazing 3d print STL files to use. But I certainly don’t advocate printing GW models that are currently in production. Proxying other companies models in your own games is totally up to you though 👍
@@TheCommandPhase you can't move about a bunch of plastic parts but seriously one of the best way of saving money is those magazines that has a wh40k sprue for about £8-10
The prices are actual jokes. You can literally get a complete Resin 3D printer setup for less than a single 2000 points army. Absolutely horrid. I will NEVER support GW while the prices are this insane.
Surprisingly for these lists orks weren’t quite as high as I thought, but in general terms of collecting, as many ork players like to kitbash and convert their models it would end up being a pretty expensive army to have a collection of and options. But so much fun too!
I’m sure they could be a lot more expensive depending on the lists. Once the new meta has settled I may well do a follow up to this. Guard may well be higher then 👍
Glad world eaters are on the cheaper side I was looking up what might be a fun 1000 point army to run and I had almost completely dif models they almost matched the price for the 2000 point army granted I was looking for more of a fun army and not a powerful one
To be fair with World Eaters, the Combat Patrol is a fantastic start to an army - so much value in there and more than enough troops with either the Jugger Lord or Invocatus. Then it's really expanding on other elements on the army you'd like, whether that's either of the eightbound varients, adding in a rhino or two for transport, grabbing Kharn or Master of Executions. Not sure Angron is the best idea at 1k for balance, but certianly higher! What were you looking to use for your World Eaters force?
@@TheCommandPhase ohh yeah definitely, back when it was first launching I managed the space marine half for only £50😂 was the best time, super cheap armies
I have such decision paralysis haha I have a single tau box I use for kill team but I’m not even sure I’m all in on tau. They’re cool looking but they also only play one way and that kinda sucks. But idk 😅😅 I kinda like guard but for some reason I assume they are also mostly shooty boys
Ah welcome to Warhammer with so many amazing models and armies to choose from. The Guard are definitely a shooty army, trading battlesuits for tanks - so if that’s more up your street then definitely go for them. But bar ogryns they won’t have much more melee than tau. (Granted the kroot will shake that up a bit) There are certainly armies out there that are more versatile and play in more of the phases if that’s more of what you’re looking for.
So as they don’t have their own specific army books, just detachments that are part of the Space Marine Codex that resembles them and the CSM index, I picked the best performing list (or two for some variety for the vanilla Space Marines). This video was meant as a guideline to how much a well rounded list would cost for the overall factions. With the current edition you are able to paint up the models to be any chapter you’d like and be able to choose any of the available detachments that army has access to. Hope that helps 👍
That is something that could do done - maybe as a retrospective before each dataslate or start of each year potentially. Something I’d like to look into is how army prices/sizes have changed over the years if I can find the relevant data.
The honest answer is I'm not 100% sure. There are a fair number of game stores that do international shipping - wayland games here in the UK I believe is one of them, but that being said I don't know how much shipping would cost alongside any other charges. Some people also utilise a ship forwarding service, which may be able to get the products to you at a reasonable cost. I will assume directly from Warhammer don't ship it to you as they have a "rest of the world" option on the webstore? Hope that is of some help.
I can print a 3000 point army for $30-60 bucks plus a couple of dollars more for consumables like IPA, globes, masks, fep sheets, shop towels and electric on my 2 3d printers. I'm never giving GW a large chunk of change for anything anymore. I might buy the rules and a few accessories occasionally but nothing more. I play other games like Stargrave and Kings of War so I like my minis to be a bit more agnostic these days anyway originally driven by GW horrible business practice. Their loss, my gain. I don't play in sanctioned games or stores so it doesn't affect me a single bit. GW fan tools don't want to play with me? All the better 😂
In nz.. Your on 100 dollars per hq 120 dollars per 5 man squad. 140 dollars for dreadnoughts. The last ork box set was 480 an I got that from over seas.. At this point if I stopped the hobby and smoked meth instead it'd be WAAAY cheaper.
Don't wrry I'm not advocating anyone to build an army based off a tournament list. This was a way for me to get a realistic price for a good well rounded force on the tabletop (at the time), rather than the cheapest way possible.
insulting if you really think about it. Games Workshops should not survive with these practices....yet they do. Rules that get constantly updated and changed yet still desperatly trying to sell you rulebooks that are outdated 4 weeks after being printed. The app is at a price point that is simply ridiculous. Are we this stupid ?!
To be fair, until people start speaking with their wallets, I don’t imagine it would ever get more affordable. I was really happy to see the free rules at the start of 10th, but almost feel codex’s should just be for the fluff/collection and the rules even up being free for all. In the grand scheme of things it’s probably not close to their biggest money maker.
Sadly this is why I got out of the hobby in 5th and 6th edition. Cost of individual hero models being $30 to $60 seems crazy. Only other war game I have to compare is Star Wars legion but at least those ones seem to be around $15-$20 for hero units. I get it’s a business but makes my wallet cry just watching the video. lol. At the moment I will probably stay out of each hobby 😂
Next time tell us the people the value in diff currencies that are extremely popular like the US and Europe not just the UK, future note for yourself for all your vids.
Maybe one day, but I can't imagine that vast majority of hobbyists would want to get into 3d printing right off the bat. I'm certainly not an advocate for printing existing models that are currently being sold. Custom decorative elements, or long out of print models is a different story.
You weren’t far off at all. Granted this specific Genestealer list wasn’t quite as expensive as it certainly could have been - although it is certainly by no means cheap!
I'm good thanks - I'm in the same boat as you really not having done much hobbying recently. But as I got today's video done early and scheduled ready for this evening I'm treating myself to getting in a little painting this afternoon. Just try to get little bits in when I can.
I think it would be cheaper to augment yourself with mechanical parts than to build an admech army
😂 I mean you're probably not wrong to be fair!
Top quality comment 💪
Admech player here, I love my army, but if you were starting from scratch in 10th I would recommend any other army. The costs are absolutely insane at this point.
That is such a shame, considering if I ever make the step to collecting, the mechanicus speaks the most to me
Honestly, while it is an expensive army to collect, if you take your time as they can be quite fiddly to put together it’s not too bad in the long run, plus there may be more value boxes like the old Christmas one in the future too.
Even in debt, I serve.
Amen brother
I would also like to point out that no one will just stop at 2000 points and run the exact same list until the edition changes. People build up to 2K points and then buy additional units so that they can play different lists and builds this further increasing the cost.
100% as people will like options, plus as the meta/points cost changes so too will lists.
Atleast once I'm at 2k I'll buy like a model here and there instead of buying s bunch at once lol
@xTheNameisEthan until you decide you want a second army 😉
I love how you improve your edition and do something great for people starting in the hobby, please keep the good quality!
Thank you so much for your kind words, I really do appreciate that! Don’t worry my aim is to keep bringing more beginner content to help more people into this fantastic hobby 🙂
If you have any topics you’d like covered do let me know.
I love the graphics and overall visual style of this video. This is my first look at your channel and its fantastic!
Thank you so much for checking the video out and glad you like the style!
I told a newbie on a 40k discord that an army costs $800, a few members of the community were furious with me since "YOU CAN GET 2x LEVIATHAN AND HAVE 2k MARINES!" like thats a valid army or collection strategy.
I mean there are plenty of ways to make an army cheaper to collect than what the competitive players are using/most optimal builds at the time. End of the day as long as you’re happy and enjoying yourself that’s all that matters 👍
But 2x leviathan box certainly isn’t remotely recommended for Space Marines..
I just realized that here in the US the price is just worse, beyond pounts per dollar. For instance, Orks converted to dollars is $776, but with the prices here its $956.
The Admech one would cost $1330 here which would be about 1047 pounds, rather than the 752.5 it actually costs in the UK. Also generally the cheapest part of Admech lists IS the vehicles, specifically breachers, or kastellans if you use them. And the list you gave was using 18 of them, so imagine if we leaned more into the other strong units instead
Those are some eyewatering figures there, I get there being shipping to the states involved, but I can't imagine it's that much more!
@@TheCommandPhase the GW website allows you to switch by country, feel free to check my work
I trust your numbers, I meant how they can charge that much more in the US, with the only extra cost being shipping to over there from the UK.
As someone who works in international shipping. The additional cost on a box once tarrifs, duties, and shipping costs are paid would be a few dollars depending on the size of the box and how many fit one a container. And roughly a 27% increase for exchange rate. So a box that is 100 pounds for example should be 130ish american dollars
Living in EU I barely heard much of anyone saying much how expensive the hobby is, I mean sure it's expensive everyone knows that, but given the amount of time to put into it and you trade that for something else, it could be worse. But learning the US just got like a 20-30% increase in their pricing makes me get all the "Traded my kidney for Warhammer minis" jokes over the internet that likely comes from mostly US people.
All I get from this is how screwed consumers are outside of UK, and I’m not even Australian.
Yeah.. It’s not great but down under it’s proper depressing!
Anyone in the US looking for a quick converios can just take any of these numbers and divide it by 0.75, however that will just give you a conversion. Prices in the US are higher than the UK prices, so beyond the higher conversion rate the prices are even higher than that
The deathwatch can't have scouts, so that list would have been illegal, even playing Gladius.
Great video though, good pointers
Just had to look that up as I didn’t realise, must have been an error in that tournament list - thanks for spotting! Glad you enjoyed the video.
I realize this video is old but I found it really helpful both in estimating the rough cost globally of "an army" but also narrowing down what I'd like to be looking at for myself in the Grey Knights that I have selected as my chapter. When you made this video you arrived at £389.00, a direct exchange to US dollars at the time it was made would have been around $493.00. Looking at the composition of the army you covered for the Grey Knights today (using no substitutions) I arrive at a cost in US of roughly $585.75, the bulk of the difference seeming to be the asymmetrical uptick in price for Kaldor Draigo, the Redeemer, Stormraven and Callidus Assassin.
When I take the two vehicles out of the equation, I'm at $382.75 for 35 units, or, just under $11 per unit.
All of that to say, I'm not intimidated by the price, but I can already see how this hobby could quickly get out of control.
I'm happy I started a Thousand Sons army and found last year's Christmas box at my local shop for around 125 pounds and its fully used in this list.
That was an incredible box to start an army, great work in finding one. Not sure why GW don’t offer something like that more throughout the year tbh.
I loved seeing this content! My only gripe is in not making as much use of combat patrols as you could. E.g., for gsc, the list only uses acolyte and neophyte hybrids from the combat patrol. Those would cost 92.5, vs. 95 for the combat patrol, which would also net a truck, some aberrants, and a magus.
For actual savings, drukhari uses everything but the archon and the incubi. The costs of the units that do get used are: 100. So buying the combat patrol would save 5 quid and give you extra models above and beyond the army.
That’s a good point and that’s why the grey knight one is so good. Although with the changes to Drukhari with the skysplinter detachment and Archon’s now able to join Incubi it makes that combat patrol even better!
For the Brotherhood Librarian of the Grey Knights, just use an Space Marines Librarian Consul or Librarian in Terminator Armour, and paint it grey instead of Blue.
Great suggestion 👍
After starting(restarting)40k 2 years ago today, I can say choosing necrons in 9th was a great call. Ease of painting made it great for experimenting, acclimatizing, and treating the models more like a painting. The rules were great for learning and adapting to games shifting in and out of my favor, people enjoyed playing against me, and they were reasonably affordable.
But, boy do I wish I had picked Thousand sons instead of tyranids for my second army. All the space and money I'd have saved. I guess I'll just have to live with them being a third.
Anyway, I'm pretty shocked at HOW much that Druhkari list went up with the talos kits. The combat patrol is a pretty great deal for them and I think they don't have to be painful to collect. But ,watching the counter go from 232 to 457 made my do a spit-take. I really hope the new points and their codex are kind to them.
Thanks for sharing that! The Necrons were great and that indomitus box was a joy to paint up. Glad you had a really great experience with them.
Sorry to hear about your thoughts after picking a second army, the Tyranids range refresh is great, yeah there is quite a lot of them. At least you didn’t pick Genestealer cults or guard if you wanted more room! To be fair with this hobby we all end up accumulating more and more models and hopefully one day you do get to try out those thousand sons, they are lovely models (especially Magnus) although the trim can be a little overwhelming, especially coming from Necrons/nids.
In terms of the Drukhari, I personally wouldn’t want to run 3 Cronos and 3 Talos as there are so many wonderful kits from their rework. Like the Incubi, witches, more kabalites and so on. I’m sure once they receive a codex or changes in a dataslate then more of the potentially cheaper lists (with the use of the combat patrol) could start appearing. The only issue for Drukhari is that they can be used as allies for Ynarri so it’s making sure they don’t end up skewing those lists.
Thanks again for the comment and hope you have a great time playing with your Necrons and Nids going forward!
@@TheCommandPhase
Thanks for responding! I do have a lot of fun playing my tyranids and going to town painting them, I think I just wish there wasn't QUITE so many models of the same type to paint. But I adore using vanguard, and I probably would have grabbed them eventually.
I also hope that the next drukhari patrol is as good and has some boats in it still, this one is so perfect!
I'll be keeping an eye on the channel too, you're doing a great job!
No problem at all and thank you for the kind words about the channel, I really do appreciate it!
I’ve just picked up a few nids myself as I loved the look of the new Deathleaper model, although with Sisters and Orks I’m used to sizeable armies xD Glad you’re having a lot of fun though, that’s the main thing!
I’ll be keeping an eye on how the combat patrols are changing as the releases come out, it may well end up being one to grab before it does, but you are right, it’s a great box that really embodies what the army is about.
When it comes to the Plague Marines, you actually need to look at what they're equipped with, because each box of 7 doesn't build enough options, so it is more like TEN boxes of Plague Marines for the DG list
That's a good point, I should have looked a little closer at, but I think from looking at the competitive list just now I think it might just be 3 extra meltaguns needed, so definitely a bits supplier for those rather than buying extra whole boxes.
If your savy with converting and green stuff I'd say go with the new horus heresy mkIII tactical set, you get 20 marines in one box plus it is in theme with the death guard. then invest in the special HH special weapons box which gives you so many plasmas and Melta guns (note i feel the rotor cannons barrel can be snippied off and made shorter to resemble a blight weapon) plus I prefer the look of volkites to plasmas but the plasma option is always there if you want it. It pretty much cuts the cost of the marines by half. If you need close combat heavy weapons just look for power fist bits.
@abzhasan8322 great suggestion 👍
Dont forget to factor in paints and dyes, paint brushes, glues, crafting blades, basing materials, model storage and transportation.....and thats only to get the models buolt and painted. To actually play, you need a board or a battle mat, terrain, dice, books, table (assuming youre not playing at a gaming store that will provide at least the table, map, and terrain).
As and old man (started with 2nd edition) something that isn’t mentioned too much is how much larger armies have gotten. I still have a few armies from way back and while in 2e/3e they were 1500 or 2000, pointed out in 10th the range from 800-1300 pts.
So not only are the models more, but you need nearly twice as many of them.
That’s a great point. I mean Votann had a pretty substantial change from 9th to 10th with their massive points drop and then the first balance dataslate we got late last year meant my list had another 400 points to spend on top!
I’d love to try and find the points costs of armies from say 2nd/3rd edition and compare it to now.
@@TheCommandPhase for just one iconic example a 10 man Space Marine tactical squad in 2e cost 300pts before any wargear or heavy/special weapons. Whereas now a tactical squad (first born) is 160 with free wargear.
You need to buy (and paint!) almost twice as many miniatures to be able to field an army
Working as intended.
Love this vid im getting started in this hobby and love this insight!
Thank you, appreciate it. Hope you have a great time getting into the hobby 👍
Used to play 40k Space Marine 30 years ago. Me and the lads were young teenagers....two of my friends also had very large Warhammer armies. None of us had much disposable income from Saturday/Sunday jobs etc. Bulk of armies was built from plastic box sets with hero's etc as cast models.
Glad to see 40k still going strong, and these modern sculpts are very very nice, but £500+ for an army is just preposterous.
Thanks for the comment. You were like many of us then, using up all your pocket money/part time job to buy into this game and honestly since covid I don't think the game has ever been more popular (as a whole). But yes, the prices are a bit on the crazy side these days directly from Games Workshop, although as mentioned there definitely are ways to make it a lot cheaper with a little bit of work/shopping around. Especially Space Marines on the secondary market.
I think I've probably still got a fair few of those metal models somewhere!
1.) 40k is expensive, but wait until people find out how many models you need to play 2k points of the old world/fantasy. 40k was originally touted as the cheaper alternative to WHFB, and it's still the case.
2.) All GW is expensive, not just 40k. However, if you're one of the many people who's local scene doesn't have a strong community for Mantic/Parabellum/Warlord games/etc. Then what you're really paying for is a "Guaranteed to find opponents" Tax. You can go to any game store in the world and find a game of 40k... the same definitely can't be said for Deadzone, Konflict 47, Kings of war, etc.
These are fantastic points, thank you for sharing. I agree it’s a pretty expensive hobby overall but for sure people can make it cheaper or more expensive depending on their army/game choices.
Totally agree about the “Gaming tax” as you put it to be able to play the game as it’s such a popular game compared to many others that you’ve mentioned. I’ve not tried them myself, but that’s probably more down to loving the models made by GW for far too long in my life. My friends do have some other gaming systems to try, but we always end up going back to 40K.
@TheCommandPhase That's usually how it goes. 40k has such a unique IP and game system that can't really be replicated without very real possibilities of copyright law being violated. It's almost impossible to replace 40k with a different game system, but the other game systems are perfect for if you and your scene is getting burned out on 40k.
@TheRealMiddla I’ll keep that in mind, thank you 👍
you can put together a competitive custodes army with two combat patrol boxes and two or three custodian/allarus/warden boxes. probably around $400-$450.
While correct, these armies were formed off of actual competitive lists.
If we were going for the cheapest way to assemble an army, then none of these lists are valid, but that was never the point. :)
@@daringdarius5686 custodes battleline units are very strong. you can make a list thats just all custodians and its a top tier competitive list. i definitely think theyre the cheapest army overall to get tournament ready while having a good shot at winning the tournament. Being easy to paint is a plus as well. Theyre my recommended faction for anyone looking to start playing competitively.
@@Khobai I will say, custodes is EASILY the best army for someone new to the hobby for every reason under the sun. They could completely give up on the painting (because it's hard) and just spray paint them gold lol
The custodes are one of the best/easiest armies to start playing with in terms of overall cost small amount o f models to build, easy to paint up like you said too. While their combat patrol is good, those bikes need a bit of help as they're currently pretty poor compared to the other datasheets and I didn't see many at all in current "meta" lists when reseaching for this video. Hopefully in their new codex we might see a bit of a resurgence from them as I love the bike models. Plus the captain on bike's ability is pretty good.
But yes, overall the Custodes are a very good budget faction to start playing with.
@@TheCommandPhase honestly taking 6 vertus praetors really doesnt matter all that much. Absolute worst case a unit of 6 is like 60 points overcosted. If you enter a tournament with 6 vertus praetors in your list i highly doubt thats going to be the deciding factor whether you place or not. That said I do think vertus praetors should probably be T7 and 70-75 points each.
One of my favorite 40k channels that doesnt make any content. Let's go buddy! Your format op! Closest hobby shop to me wouldn't even give me 5% off nevermind the 15 to 20 we can get off regularly off of the internet.
Wow, thank you for the kind words! Glad you are enjoying the content!
Not every LGS is great at giving discount like some of the online ones, you’re in the same boat as me with your closest hobby store being RRP. Thankfully for me a fair number of great online stores are really reliable here that I tend to order from the majority of the time.
@@TheCommandPhase I look foward to more videos. This is great way to consume 40k content again with the format its perfect. I use to play at the closest store but an awkward dynamic came of it because I only ever purchased paint and stuff and never ever any models yet would bring in new models every week lol so they basically dogged me out of playing there but I haven't quit!
Glad you like them. I can kind of see both sides, although if you were regularly purchasing your hobby supplies from them, it's a shame that wasn't enough. But I guess the markup on those models if they aren't at a discount is a fair whack of money for the store. I get most of my stuff online these days, but dod pop into my local store for the odd event and may well pick up a box or something while I'm there (mainly for lack of self control!) Good that you haven't quit though and I'm sure there would be hobby groups in your area for games.
I have been a fan of Warhammer since 1992. I will never, ever spend another penny at games workshop. Absolutely ridiculous. At this price, the models should literally be cast in bronze. Literally.
I don't know how people can afford to play this game anymore. Good job with the video.
I mean there are a fair number of ways to reduce the cost, but if other players are anything like me we end up just buying more models with the savings 🤦♂️
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
As someone hos still very noob like to warhammer, its been a very casual 12 months since i purchased myfirst models, which was about £180 of grey knights, then my partner wanted to get involved so grabed a few Slannesh models, and myself some Nurgle.....which both had about 700-900pts for AoS and cost a out £220, then i purchased some nurgle for about 700 pts and £120
That's awesome that your partner is also into the hobby!
I'm so glad I chose to play Kill Team as my Warhammer 40k experience
It’s a great game and certainly allows you to jump between factions at a fraction of the cost. Which team are you playing?
I'm at the printing stage of my fandom
Especially since I started Grey Knights to get into 10th and their entire range outside of Crowe needs a refresh. I augmented some stuff I already had, but I did print proxies for my strike squads that fit the aesthetic and are scaled to be primaris-sized. It makes my terminators looks like dwarfs, but I'm assuming down the road the GK Termis and Strike boxes will be redone
I also proxied Draigo because $30-50 for an online only out of stock resin mini that clutch to the faction is a hearty kick in the pants
Rumours are they're getting an update this edition and fingers crossed they do as Crowe looks great, so having the rest the same would be awesome!
Bro you got a insta sub. You're video quality is great ❤
Thank you so much! Really glad you liked the video and the graphics work 🙂
New Deathwing Assault Box can be preordered for 230 CAD which is pre good for 1000 points
For the points that's not bad at all!
My guess is least expensive is Custodes due to point cost per model. Most expensive is Guard due to how many models they field.
You weren’t far off!
Love your format!
Thank you! I’m really glad to hear that 🙂
This video makes me feel better about how much I spend on Battletech.
I’ve never looked into that game, but glad the video has helped in a sort of fashion xD
Nice presentation!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Me... sitting here... playing grimdark future... and paying about 50 bucks for a 2000 point army...
What about cost of GW paints added on?
That's a whole different conversation to be fair and also depends on which hobby products people have already or if starting from scratch. But needless to say it would be a fair chunk more if they were just starting out, depeding on how people would prefer to paint (ie contrast or layering).
@@TheCommandPhase That's a fair response, but what about another video averaging out the additional cost of paints too. I bet certain armies would on average use up a lot more paint (and time, while we are estimating and summing the costs), and it would be cool to know just what one is getting themselves into when those, like myself, are considering coming back into the hobby from complete scratch. Thanks for responding to me btw.
No worries at all. I guess that would depends on colour scheme and such. But I could certainly dig out the old battle ready for each armies box art scheme and add up all the prices there. “Parade” ready is another ball game entirely but a good idea, thank you! I’ll look into that as a follow up to this, once I’ve sorted the video about reducing the costs.
@@TheCommandPhase Best of luck with that! I'm sure it means alot to many other people out there too, who have so much else on their plates and don't have time to do all the calculations and such. You are doing the community a real service with info like this - so once again, Thank You!
No problem at all, thank you for the great idea and if you do decide to get back into the hobby, I do hope you have a great time 👍
Did the Space Wolf list have 2 GR per the text or 1 GR per the voice-over?
Sorry, it was 2 Gladiator Lancers and 1 Gladiator Reaper in Nick Cochrane’s list. So the VO was correct.
my last 2 armies (chaos knights and genestealer cults) came to under £300 each, my black legion currently at about 7k is like 5 or 6 times that cos ive collected every model. comes down to what you want pay for, a 2k list or a collection
Oh 100% you can make collecting an army a lot cheaper than going directly, which I’ll be chatting about in a future video. But a GSC army under £300 is really good fair play 👍
@@TheCommandPhase got shadow throne half from a friend £45, combat patrol £80, boarding patrol £60, set of new genestealers couple of characters, ridge runner and a guard kit from ebay! Hoping to play them next week
@chaosclg Great work, that shadow throne set was really good! Hope you have a fantastic time playing 👍
I believe slaneshmas comes from if the emperor had a text to speech device
i want to start with warhammer 40k and thinking about orks or world eater :)
Both of those are fantastic armies which I’m sure you’ll have a lot of fun with. Especially if you like the sound of lots of melee combat.
Loads of really awesome models in their ranges too!
Hope you have fun deciding which you like the look of the most and welcome to the hobby! Any questions let me know 👍
What about agents of the imperium
They weren’t included as they don’t have a detachment of their own and just ally into other imperium armies. Hopefully they get a detachment/codex of their own in the future. Hope that clears it up.
Most expensive = ad mech, least expensive: knights
You were pretty much spot on there!
@@TheCommandPhase i dont think knights is cheaper than custodes after painting supplies though. custodes are dirt cheap to paint lol.
I think you meant the Grey Knights as the least expensive
just the plastic price alone is bad enough then you have the route of painting yourself which is hard or easy varies from people to people , i myself never satisfy with my own skill so i have to commission the whole 2000 point instead
I don’t know how much it would cost to get an army commissioned but I totally get never being happy with my own paint jobs. It’s something I certainly need to start learning to accept and use it as a learning experience for the next one. Easier said than done of course!
I thought Genestealer Cult woult be expensive and Guard. Also Adeptus Sorroritas. My armies are actually quite Cheap, but probably not competitive. Space Hulk 1st Edition (1989) provided some Terminators and Genestealers for my Space Wolves and Nids armies. Then Advanced Space Crusade (1991) provided me with 6 nid warriors, 10 Sniper Scouts and 5 Wolf Scouts with a bit of a kit bash. My 2nd Ed Bjorn was about £20 new I think? Then I had an Iron Priest who was probably £3, plus 7 Wolfguard Terminators who were probably £15 for a box? My 2 x Grey hunters are kitbashed out of an early 90s Tactical Squad that cost £10 I think? Then it probably cost me £35 to £45 to kitbash my Long Fangs. The Nids that were added were 2 x Carnifexes and 2 x Hive Tyrants that were probably £20 each in 1993/1994? Then I got an extra 3 warriors - probably £10. Then, 2 Biovores and a Lictor with 6 Spore Mines - so probably about £25 all in? Oh the Space Wolves have a recent Dreadnought £37.50? So if we factored £50 for each army for the copies of SPace Hulk and Advanced Space Crusade that puts the Nids at £165 for approx 1600 pts? Space Wolves at about £175 for 1500 points approx? Though the Sniper Scouts are in Legends now so... Adeptus Sororitas, I have got the Sanctorum Guard for Xmas, so it was sort of Free but cost someone £100 ? Then I added 3 Arco Flags from Ebay for £10 or so? Dialogus, Hospitalier, Imagifier, Missionary - maybe £70 worth? And I got 5 Retributors and Exorcist for next Xmas so about £75 worth? I wanted to add Celestine and Zephyrim to take them up to 1500 pts. Probably be about £300 to get to 1500 pts. Not sure about where I'll go from there.
Ah prices from the good old days!
In terms of your sisters army, with the new codex coming out in the next few months, hopefully it'll add some more variety to list building, but from what you have currently you're in a great place. Probably looking at maybe a rhino or two to transport some more repentia, or grabbing a couple seraphim squads with hand flamers to come on the back field and cause problems to some smaller units wouldn't be a bad shout. The triumph has just had a small nerf, but is a fantastic models and certainly one I'd recommend, even just for the collection. The best part of that army is that all the models look fantastic :)
@@TheCommandPhase yeah, triumph looks amazing, but not sure my skills are up to doing it justice. I can see why they changed it, the way it was if you saved your dice and did re-rolls and make and miracle dice a six you could potentially just make something happen in a later turn. Mi instinct is Celestine + Zephyrim to get to 1500 then maybe immolator, Castigatir more arco flagellants or some Repentia? Maybe even a couple of crusaders to put with a cheap character to go after empty objectives or throw into battle to generate miracle dice for the stronger units. Aside from solid anti-tank and anti-monster I think the Sisters actually have some real flexibility and options.
Do these prices factor in things like Combat Patrol boxes, where multiple units are cheaper?
Also, if you think UK prices are scary, you should see what things cost when they go on sale in New Zealand!
Oh for sure the NZ prices are eye watering! These prices did include combat patrols where possible for the lists that could utilise them to save money, but not many of these competitive lists did. Think it was just the Tau, World Eaters, Votann and Death Guard.
You think 40k is expensive? Ok, go look at what the current prices of LEGO is, and you wont feel so bad for 40k prices anymore
Oh for sure, lego is pretty damn expensive these days - even though that Rivendell does look incredible, I'd rather have a warhammer army instead!
Yeah, but you don't need to buy 2 dozen kits to be able to enjoy them at the preferred scale
I thought scouts couldn't be used by Deathwatch?
Having checked everything my end you are correct, alas that was what was in the list online and I should have double checked that before utilising it in this video.
Pretty sure talonmaster isn’t making it into the Dark Angels codex
As it didn’t have a model I’m pretty sure you’re right that it won’t.
@@TheCommandPhasewell with current leaks being rather confirmed quite a bit got cut. Talonmaster and strikemaster included
Thanks for the update@@CMTechnica
Add to that at least $50-100 pounds of painting supplies
Well yeah, if not more!
I'm a new player looking to get into war hammer and start my first army, my top three favorites picks right now are Tau, Orks and then Adeptus mechanicus, that being said i like the looks of the black templar, grey knights and astra militarum the hobby seems so expensive in general then add in i seem to have a liking for the most expensive armys to build and then add the ol' down under tax, welp rip wallet
I feel for you trying to collect Warhammer down under. There are ways to make it cheaper with online local game stores, possible international shipping and the second hand market at least.
Do you have one faction that really speak to you? Where you really like the models the most?
@@TheCommandPhase hey mate just wanna say thank you, your videos have been such a huge help and I really enjoy the quality so keep up the great work. The tau honestly are my favourite so far I just love the look of the mechs and I’ve started reading some lore and the farsight enclave seem super badass so I think that’s where I’m headed. I’m gonna order a smaller kit first and dabble with the painting before I fully commit myself.
@ethankeon8152 I’m very glad to hear you’ve been enjoying the videos. Farsight is an amazing character, has a good novel and a badass model so hope you have a great time collecting them 👍
Least expensive is def custodes nit after they got a ton of point drops in the kist recent data slate I’m not sure if thats still true
Even with the most recent points updates, they’re still comfortably in the top 5 cheapest armies 👍
I'm thinking about to start this hobby but these prices are insane for a bit of plastic..hate me for this but für 500-700 € you can get a 3d printer and print this almost for free
I can understand the point of view for 3D printing and if the models are proxies for these units, rather than exact files of GW miniatures then definietly have fun doing that. Plus decorations/accessories for your units. Loads of companies out there with some amazing 3d print STL files to use.
But I certainly don’t advocate printing GW models that are currently in production. Proxying other companies models in your own games is totally up to you though 👍
So no glue , paints or even airbrush set up etc
Correct, this is the price without all of that.
@@TheCommandPhase you can't move about a bunch of plastic parts but seriously one of the best way of saving money is those magazines that has a wh40k sprue for about £8-10
@1kizhun 100% conquest and now combat patrol which is coming is fantastic. I’ll be talking about these money saving tips soon 👍
The prices are actual jokes.
You can literally get a complete Resin 3D printer setup for less than a single 2000 points army.
Absolutely horrid.
I will NEVER support GW while the prices are this insane.
And then being in the US the mark up makes all of these dumb expensive like the cheapest army us has is more expensive then the uk.
Cheap: golden boys
Expensive: orks
Surprisingly for these lists orks weren’t quite as high as I thought, but in general terms of collecting, as many ork players like to kitbash and convert their models it would end up being a pretty expensive army to have a collection of and options. But so much fun too!
I figured guard would be more…
I’m sure they could be a lot more expensive depending on the lists. Once the new meta has settled I may well do a follow up to this. Guard may well be higher then 👍
"starting in no particular order"
* *begins with space marines* *
¯\_(ರ ͜ʖ ರ)_/¯ lol truly daring I see
Glad world eaters are on the cheaper side I was looking up what might be a fun 1000 point army to run and I had almost completely dif models they almost matched the price for the 2000 point army granted I was looking for more of a fun army and not a powerful one
To be fair with World Eaters, the Combat Patrol is a fantastic start to an army - so much value in there and more than enough troops with either the Jugger Lord or Invocatus. Then it's really expanding on other elements on the army you'd like, whether that's either of the eightbound varients, adding in a rhino or two for transport, grabbing Kharn or Master of Executions. Not sure Angron is the best idea at 1k for balance, but certianly higher!
What were you looking to use for your World Eaters force?
Most expensive admech cheapest custodias or gray knights
Spot on 👍
Picked up my lieutenant with combi for £4 on eBay
Bargain right there! I know I’ve picked up some nids from leviathan and the rulebook sub 50, so definitely some deals to be had.
@@TheCommandPhase ohh yeah definitely, back when it was first launching I managed the space marine half for only £50😂 was the best time, super cheap armies
I have such decision paralysis haha I have a single tau box I use for kill team but I’m not even sure I’m all in on tau. They’re cool looking but they also only play one way and that kinda sucks. But idk 😅😅 I kinda like guard but for some reason I assume they are also mostly shooty boys
Ah welcome to Warhammer with so many amazing models and armies to choose from. The Guard are definitely a shooty army, trading battlesuits for tanks - so if that’s more up your street then definitely go for them. But bar ogryns they won’t have much more melee than tau. (Granted the kroot will shake that up a bit)
There are certainly armies out there that are more versatile and play in more of the phases if that’s more of what you’re looking for.
No night lords or salamanders?
So as they don’t have their own specific army books, just detachments that are part of the Space Marine Codex that resembles them and the CSM index, I picked the best performing list (or two for some variety for the vanilla Space Marines). This video was meant as a guideline to how much a well rounded list would cost for the overall factions.
With the current edition you are able to paint up the models to be any chapter you’d like and be able to choose any of the available detachments that army has access to.
Hope that helps 👍
i asked "porrhammer" to do this video 6+ months ago
Well I’m glad I was able to make something you were after - hope you enjoyed! 👍
@@TheCommandPhaseare you considering comparing ongoing metas/pricing?
That is something that could do done - maybe as a retrospective before each dataslate or start of each year potentially.
Something I’d like to look into is how army prices/sizes have changed over the years if I can find the relevant data.
So where do i get them in india kind sir?
The honest answer is I'm not 100% sure. There are a fair number of game stores that do international shipping - wayland games here in the UK I believe is one of them, but that being said I don't know how much shipping would cost alongside any other charges. Some people also utilise a ship forwarding service, which may be able to get the products to you at a reasonable cost.
I will assume directly from Warhammer don't ship it to you as they have a "rest of the world" option on the webstore?
Hope that is of some help.
Imperial knight army?
They were certainly one of the cheapest! Coming in second behind Grey Knights for the most recent top placed competitive lists.
Trust me to start collecting tau 🙄 2nd most expensive, I do have a 1000point army saved on the Warhammer app
To be fair you can make each army a lot cheaper depeding how you end up building it so I wouldn't worry. Besides they do look amazing!
I can print a 3000 point army for $30-60 bucks plus a couple of dollars more for consumables like IPA, globes, masks, fep sheets, shop towels and electric on my 2 3d printers. I'm never giving GW a large chunk of change for anything anymore. I might buy the rules and a few accessories occasionally but nothing more. I play other games like Stargrave and Kings of War so I like my minis to be a bit more agnostic these days anyway originally driven by GW horrible business practice. Their loss, my gain. I don't play in sanctioned games or stores so it doesn't affect me a single bit. GW fan tools don't want to play with me? All the better 😂
most expensive
chaose daemons
least expensive
knights
In nz..
Your on 100 dollars per hq
120 dollars per 5 man squad.
140 dollars for dreadnoughts.
The last ork box set was 480 an I got that from over seas..
At this point if I stopped the hobby and smoked meth instead it'd be WAAAY cheaper.
That’s crazy money, sorry to hear it’s so expensive there.
thank you
You’re more than welcome! Glad you found the video useful 👍
Huge mistake building an army off a tourney list
Don't wrry I'm not advocating anyone to build an army based off a tournament list. This was a way for me to get a realistic price for a good well rounded force on the tabletop (at the time), rather than the cheapest way possible.
Most: AdMech Least: Imperial Knights
Pretty much! Knights wasn't quite the cheapest but wasn't far off at all!
insulting if you really think about it.
Games Workshops should not survive with these practices....yet they do.
Rules that get constantly updated and changed yet still desperatly trying to sell you rulebooks that are outdated 4 weeks after being printed. The app is at a price point that is simply ridiculous.
Are we this stupid ?!
To be fair, until people start speaking with their wallets, I don’t imagine it would ever get more affordable.
I was really happy to see the free rules at the start of 10th, but almost feel codex’s should just be for the fluff/collection and the rules even up being free for all. In the grand scheme of things it’s probably not close to their biggest money maker.
Surprised that so many kids can afford playing this hobby
Sadly this is why I got out of the hobby in 5th and 6th edition. Cost of individual hero models being $30 to $60 seems crazy. Only other war game I have to compare is Star Wars legion but at least those ones seem to be around $15-$20 for hero units. I get it’s a business but makes my wallet cry just watching the video. lol. At the moment I will probably stay out of each hobby 😂
Knights are the cheapest
Ive spent a total of $765 on a little over 4000 points worth of dark angels......PLEASE for the love of god do not EVER buy minis from GW....
Good work! There are plenty of ways to save money collecting the hobby and something I’ll be doing a video out to help new players in the coming weeks
Admech is the most expensive and Custodes is the cheapest
Pretty much spot on 👍
Next time tell us the people the value in diff currencies that are extremely popular like the US and Europe not just the UK, future note for yourself for all your vids.
I’ll keep that in mind going forward 👍
Way too much.
Most expensive: Ad Mech.
Least: Custodes.
Pretty much spot on! 👍
3D printing should scare GW and their lemming fanboys.
Maybe one day, but I can't imagine that vast majority of hobbyists would want to get into 3d printing right off the bat. I'm certainly not an advocate for printing existing models that are currently being sold. Custom decorative elements, or long out of print models is a different story.
We all know the answer allredy it's atleest 40k;)
The most popular (space marines) will be more expensive for sure. Named characters are stoopid expensive. Fuck gw. Hate them.
3d printer go brrrrr
its callt 3D printing 300e for the printer 35 for resin 25e fr alcohol and you are good to go
If that is what you’d prefer to do then go for it.
My predictions
Least expensive: Imperial/Chaos Knights
Most expensive: Genestealer Cult
You weren’t far off at all. Granted this specific Genestealer list wasn’t quite as expensive as it certainly could have been - although it is certainly by no means cheap!
Hi
Hey bud, hope you are doing well 👍
@@TheCommandPhase I’m doing well how are you? I haven’t done much warhammering as of late
I'm good thanks - I'm in the same boat as you really not having done much hobbying recently. But as I got today's video done early and scheduled ready for this evening I'm treating myself to getting in a little painting this afternoon. Just try to get little bits in when I can.
Too much.