I remember watching those magpul videos where Costa and Haley do talk about driving the gun, and now it seems like more of an emphasis on smoother movement. How quickly these techniques evolve in just a few short years!
TTPS continue to change, so did the enemies while overseas. Iraq was direct action mixed with IEDs to draw you in. They know how each unit fights, Marines very aggressive which can be bad in some cases, not seeig the situation evove and rushing, ganing fire superiority but also moving into IED lane, some army units the same. We learned this the hard way withna butter bar LT my 1st tour in 2005, he wanted metals, had high ranking family members. The events leading up to that day as well. Did not want to listen to Marines who had 2 plus tours, the invasion as well as other experience. Well he was cut in half that day , survived. Ours Corpsman was given another bronze star that day. Our CO another lying POS actually works for hailey strategic services now, lied about his killig RPG teams yada yada long story....along with many others. Guys have careers to build..Just like TTPs change so do business models gotta make loot, cannot keep putting out same material. Progeession is a beautiful and it is very important. I think TH is geniune staright up dude. I feel like he is trustworthy etc.etc. .......Eagles game so I had quite few, and now on interwebs. It started out as to get KAC QDC suppressor for my KACs or go with Rugged Surge lol. Have a good day, night. mornings whatevee.
Thanks Travis for being an open minded gun guy! I can't tell ya how often I deal with dummies that believe popular rhetoric in gun culture. I am the kind of guy that finds himself saying, "what I was preaching two years ago was wrong. There is now a better way of doing it etc..." You are inspiration to those of us who want to see more professional American Gunfighters!
I absolutely agree with the preamble as it remains a challenge to get our officers into the mindset of "fight as you train . . . " so on goes the vest and the duty belt. I look forward to incorporating this drill in my training.
Thanks Travis for sharing this technique; I took it to the range this past weekend and saw a big improvement in my accuracy engaging multiple targets. Super helpful!
TenguAlpha .50 Beowolf mags from Press Check Ventures presscheckventures.3dcartstores.com/PCV-50-Gen2_p_8.html You can get 14-15 rnds and they comply with the regs under Special Bulletin for Business #72. I have 4 and they work great. I wouldn't drop or step on them though, I use a dump pouch, they aren't as robust as a P-Mag, but it's want we got here on the Great White North
Nice video. I really like the way you teach and elaborate on everything. That's the way I try to teach my students too. I'm not at your level yet but I constantly push my self to be better. Keep the videos coming.
I said that in 05, even quoted in Camp Lejuene newspaper. We where doing sim round training, with role players who where middle eastern decent. You had to speak arabic or they would not talk to you. They added IED lane training with like trip flares. Was good stuff ran by outside DOD contractors.
Hey Travis, Ive been a huge fan since the beginning! Could you do a video with random target acquisition with this dril? What your doing here is certainly impressive, I would just like to see this strategy applied to identifying targets in the mix of non targets without you knowing ahead of time. Thanks for all the instruction over the years! -Josh
Why no love for Magpul? LOL Seriously I had taken a couple classes with you and I've always learned a lot. Glad to be learning more with your shared videos.
KYLE LAMB says snap the gun from target to target on his 1-5 drill. He was/is a Delta. While Travis says don't snap the gun at 3:38. He was/is a Marine. He shot 12 ammos in 1.93 secs (on his 3rd run) while Lamb shot 15 ammos in 2.92(not sure on what try though)
HaleyStrategic Wow you have no hater never seen before in youtube with that much views except for 1 troller for sake of trolling lol. You're perfect :) We all would like to see a scope cam or a first person view cause I can't understand how you are able to transition from target to target that fast and still put rounds where you wanted it to be. We would like to see it from your perspective.
What plate carrier is that? I can see the D3 Chest rig. But that carrier eludes me. Also, amazing instructional videos. You've brought a refreshingly new and incredibly intelligent way of studying how to make more effective shooters. Excellent work.
You have a typo in the closing titling. It says "thinkers bebore shooters". I'm assuming it should be "thinkers before shooters". Thanks for the great drill demo.
Huge fan of Travis. Maybe one day ill be able to take some of your courses. Of course my wife will be jealous or insist she take it with me so she can meet you as well haha!
Travis, What Rifle/pistol mag combo are you running on your belt? I'm always trying to find the right balance between to much crap and not enough and that mag pouch might work for me. Thanks, D.K.
I am curious about how you set up your WML and DBAL. They look to be in line unlike some of the other pics from your shoots. I am curious as i have the same kit. Is it using one of the keymod pic pieces with the rail offset mount? Or is there something else I am missing. Thanks HSP
i notice a drop in bad ass momentum, travis your gear is the shit and pushing the fire arm game into athletics is all you i push full gear when ever the bad guys already know they are toast or in the black arts we call art of the intercepting fist
1.93 = great job. I do NOT feel sorry for the guy who tries to break into your house Travis. Keep up the good work. P.S. at the 5.56 mark there is a little spelling error... should say Thinkers Before Shooters, not BEBORE.
What does he mean by don’t snap the gun, just move the gun? Does that mean don’t try to snap it onto the target but instead glide it between you and the target?
I see you're running a 2 point sling in this drill, I was under the impression you leaned more towards the 1 point sling. Could you explain your current thoughts on slings as I know your viewpoints are always evolving.
I have always used both for different applications thats why all the slings I have developed in the past and in the future will have both capabilities.
At this speed and level, he's probably half both; He's done it enough at various ranges that he probably can game it, if he wanted to, and be in the 1's, but for purposes of teaching, legitimately halfway aims down sights.
Quick question: God forbid someone had to do this “for real,” would it make more sense to double tap all 3 threats then quad and double each still requiring lead therapy or to shoot each one once or shoot the greatest threat until it’s dead then the next greatest then the third?
actually its not that ad compared to other optics on the market in its category. its a phenomenal optic but still has limitations up close like in this drill.
***** not bad, ELCAN is a Tad better, however the VCOG has a very bright EOTECH type retical that is easy to see up close which helps a lot for fighting through the scope shadow. I would still prefer red dots for these ranges but as you can see you can certainly make it work by using a soft sight picture and aligning the gun kinesthetically.
Has anyone else had problems loading the hand gun 22422 video? I clicked on the link and it gave me a message that the video had been removed by the user.
being he's got a magnified optic on there and shooting close range he's canting his gun and "aiming" along the side of the gun. You'll see a lot of military guys shoot at close ranges like that if they're only issued ACOGs. 10m and in i do the same thing unless I'm running a reflex sight of some sort
+KrayzeeShooter No, Travis advocates for only using sighted fire. The reason he has the gun canted is becaude his plates slope at the top, and canting is the only way to bring the rifle to your center without putting it on the plate
+Kataquan look towards the end of the video you can see his shooting eye is not in his optics That carrier does not interfere with shoulder placement ive been running the same one as him for two years now He might be an advocate for sighted shooting which i am too but at a close distance like that with a carbine its not needed when you know your gun and where your shots with land Youre still aiming, just not through the optic Now if it was an eotech then yes absolutely shoot through your sight
There should be a Call of Duty sub game with TH as drill instructer, or He could be at yhe beginning of the campaign mode. I know the real thing is better, but he deserves the props
What is the optic you are running on there Travis? Looks similar to a Vortex one that is sick. Vortex and BCM are in my state making some awesome gear.
Travis, can you suggest a modified version of this drill for the poor people in the great state of California? Also, it looks like it may be time for a limited-run Thinkers Bebore Shooters shirt.
deafdeal3r I don't see any canted sights on that carbine. It's more likely that he's slightly rotating to clear his chest plate so he's still getting good contact on his shoulder. That and he doesn't have to rotate his head to see clearly through the scope.
3:38
"Don't snap the gun, Don't drive the gun, SIMPLY MOVE the gun ."
impressed.
I remember watching those magpul videos where Costa and Haley do talk about driving the gun, and now it seems like more of an emphasis on smoother movement. How quickly these techniques evolve in just a few short years!
thats right! everything gets better with science! lol
HaleyStrategic Ron Avery:)
TTPS continue to change, so did the enemies while overseas. Iraq was direct action mixed with IEDs to draw you in. They know how each unit fights, Marines very aggressive which can be bad in some cases, not seeig the situation evove and rushing, ganing fire superiority but also moving into IED lane, some army units the same. We learned this the hard way withna butter bar LT my 1st tour in 2005, he wanted metals, had high ranking family members. The events leading up to that day as well. Did not want to listen to Marines who had 2 plus tours, the invasion as well as other experience. Well he was cut in half that day , survived. Ours Corpsman was given another bronze star that day. Our CO another lying POS actually works for hailey strategic services now, lied about his killig RPG teams yada yada long story....along with many others. Guys have careers to build..Just like TTPs change so do business models gotta make loot, cannot keep putting out same material. Progeession is a beautiful and it is very important. I think TH is geniune staright up dude. I feel like he is trustworthy etc.etc. .......Eagles game so I had quite few, and now on interwebs. It started out as to get KAC QDC suppressor for my KACs or go with Rugged Surge lol. Have a good day, night. mornings whatevee.
I got a new DDM4 V5, a Red Dot and hundreds of rds of 5.56....I will be practicing this drill this weekend...A lot.
You teach me more in one video than my instructors in 5 years of military service.
Thanks Travis for being an open minded gun guy! I can't tell ya how often I deal with dummies that believe popular rhetoric in gun culture. I am the kind of guy that finds himself saying, "what I was preaching two years ago was wrong. There is now a better way of doing it etc..." You are inspiration to those of us who want to see more professional American Gunfighters!
you got to respect how smooth and easy you make the difficult look.
I absolutely agree with the preamble as it remains a challenge to get our officers into the mindset of "fight as you train . . . " so on goes the vest and the duty belt. I look forward to incorporating this drill in my training.
You are the best Travis! You are first of all entertaining, but easy to understand and great and what you do! You are an asset to us all.
Thanks Travis for sharing this technique; I took it to the range this past weekend and saw a big improvement in my accuracy engaging multiple targets. Super helpful!
Smooth operator. Real smooth. Thanks Mr. Haley just wish I had the freedom to do this at my local range.
Takes more time to do a 22422 drill in a state where you can only have 10 round mags lol.
Meanwhile in Canada, 5 round mags. We can get 10s but they're pinned 20rnd mags.
TenguAlpha That's unfortunate.
TenguAlpha .50 Beowolf mags from Press Check Ventures presscheckventures.3dcartstores.com/PCV-50-Gen2_p_8.html
You can get 14-15 rnds and they comply with the regs under Special Bulletin for Business #72. I have 4 and they work great. I wouldn't drop or step on them though, I use a dump pouch, they aren't as robust as a P-Mag, but it's want we got here on the Great White North
Oh nice, I haven't seen these particular ones yet. Thanks! The Armtac ones look a bit beefier but they're always out of stock.
I tried this drill last week with a 10 round mag. What i did was 22311. Works just about the same so do what you can with what you got.
Great video Travis and nice work with the 22422. Very clean. Mick-
Nice video. I really like the way you teach and elaborate on everything. That's the way I try to teach my students too.
I'm not at your level yet but I constantly push my self to be better.
Keep the videos coming.
I had myself a giggle when he came into frame with all of his "tactical cool shit" (his words not mine) on.
And holy trigger finger, Travis!
Awesome drill! Thanks for taking for demo and explanation!
"i'm going very slow.." WTF that was 10x faster than I could do XD
or even 20x! lol ;)
***** travis is has a Gieselle S3G trigger in this particular carbine. Source: his comments from 2 days ago in this section
***** huebr
nice shooting and and good recoil processing
Great vid, thanks for your work to make us better shooters and people. Stay safe.
Thanks travis! Absolute legend.
Haley, you are the man! I enjoy your videos! Thanks for the information and insight! Greetings from Mile Hi!
Thanks Travis Haley, I'm going to run this drill the next time I hit the range.
I would love to arrend one of his courses. Hopefully he has something in Va or NC coming up.
Hey Travis!!!!
@ Time stamp 5:56- Thinkers Bebore Shooters?
We see fast too all the way to the end!
I went out and tried this today. Fastest I could get was 2.35. I had a couple of others that were the same speed, but I was sloppy. Great drill
Thank you for a drill and motivation. Will try this week.
Great videos! I love how you explain everything in detail, keep up the great work :D
I want a bumper sticker that says "Thinkers Before Shooters"
I said that in 05, even quoted in Camp Lejuene newspaper. We where doing sim round training, with role players who where middle eastern decent. You had to speak arabic or they would not talk to you. They added IED lane training with like trip flares. Was good stuff ran by outside DOD contractors.
lol you fucking crack me up dude, so excited to say I have all my tactical cool shit on now. Keep em coming Haley digging it.
Could you put up a video showing your footwork for the 10 to the 5?Looks smooth.
Great video Travis! "As you can see, I was just shot out of a cannon"!
Nicely done. Would love to see a collaboration video with you and some others shooters like Jerry Miculek.
Hey Travis,
Ive been a huge fan since the beginning! Could you do a video with random target acquisition with this dril? What your doing here is certainly impressive, I would just like to see this strategy applied to identifying targets in the mix of non targets without you knowing ahead of time.
Thanks for all the instruction over the years!
-Josh
I believe I do in the handgun version no?
Why no love for Magpul? LOL
Seriously I had taken a couple classes with you and I've always learned a lot. Glad to be learning more with your shared videos.
That’s a Bad, Bad Man 💯💯💪🏽💪🏽
You Sir, are a robot! :) Great videos like always Mr Haley.
I wanna see you utilize this drill in a shoot house. Like a room entry. Haley would do that shit smooth as butter
New stuff to take to the range.
Thanks
KYLE LAMB says snap the gun from target to target on his 1-5 drill. He was/is a Delta. While Travis says don't snap the gun at 3:38. He was/is a Marine. He shot 12 ammos in 1.93 secs (on his 3rd run) while Lamb shot 15 ammos in 2.92(not sure on what try though)
yeah. Recon Marines are awesome dudes. i trained with them. and yup. they are quite a step.
HaleyStrategic Wow you have no hater never seen before in youtube with that much views except for 1 troller for sake of trolling lol. You're perfect :)
We all would like to see a scope cam or a first person view cause I can't understand how you are able to transition from target to target that fast and still put rounds where you wanted it to be. We would like to see it from your perspective.
In Commiefornia it's the 22222-run drill.
I was waiting for the explanation of this drill after seeing it on the Jack Carbine video.
What plate carrier is that? I can see the D3 Chest rig. But that carrier eludes me. Also, amazing instructional videos. You've brought a refreshingly new and incredibly intelligent way of studying how to make more effective shooters. Excellent work.
Great video!!!
Great video. In Canada we'd have to switch mags every 5 rounds. What helmet is that, Travis?
Travis; 1- Do you like the VCOG? 2- What reticle do you prefer? Thanks
You have a typo in the closing titling. It says "thinkers bebore shooters". I'm assuming it should be "thinkers before shooters". Thanks for the great drill demo.
Huge fan of Travis. Maybe one day ill be able to take some of your courses. Of course my wife will be jealous or insist she take it with me so she can meet you as well haha!
What scope mount is that? I just received a Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4X20 and have been researching mounts. Thanks and great video.
SWITCHED ON!!!
Are you using the sight at this distance? I noticed the carbine is tilted left.
Hey Travis so how are you liking the VCOG.... Been debating on that or the ELCAN Is the 1 power a true "1 power"... Great channel and thanks again
Travis,
What Rifle/pistol mag combo are you running on your belt? I'm always trying to find the right balance between to much crap and not enough and that mag pouch might work for me.
Thanks,
D.K.
Where is the Haley vs Proctor DVD ?
I am curious about how you set up your WML and DBAL. They look to be in line unlike some of the other pics from your shoots. I am curious as i have the same kit. Is it using one of the keymod pic pieces with the rail offset mount? Or is there something else I am missing.
Thanks HSP
Benjamin that is one of our typical set ups. It is our HSP WML momentary only light and our key mod offset light mount both found on our website
Travis, do you have a time frame for the release of the HSP slings yet? Really looking forward to getting one for my rifle!
I don't feel so bad. I average around 3.45 on this particular drill(pistol). Great job, bro!!!
i notice a drop in bad ass momentum, travis your gear is the shit and pushing the fire arm game into athletics is all you
i push full gear when ever the bad guys already know they are toast or in the black arts we call art of the intercepting fist
Mr. Haley, how do you like the VCOG? I am looking for a good variable for a carbine.
Also where can I get one of those shirts?
1.93 = great job. I do NOT feel sorry for the guy who tries to break into your house Travis.
Keep up the good work.
P.S. at the 5.56 mark there is a little spelling error... should say Thinkers Before Shooters, not BEBORE.
travis have you shot the predatobr by larue??? what are your thoughts?
What does he mean by don’t snap the gun, just move the gun? Does that mean don’t try to snap it onto the target but instead glide it between you and the target?
I see you're running a 2 point sling in this drill, I was under the impression you leaned more towards the 1 point sling. Could you explain your current thoughts on slings as I know your viewpoints are always evolving.
I have always used both for different applications thats why all the slings I have developed in the past and in the future will have both capabilities.
HaleyStrategic just bought a D3 sling and its amazing. Thanks Travis!
I wish I could afford that VCOG are u using an offset rds or just thru the tube
Is that the VCOG he is running?
+HaleyStrategic 05:56 "THINKERS BEBORE SHOOTERS"
Nice BCM Gunfighter stock btw!!
Great video as always Travis!!! What brand trigger running in that AR?? Keep up the great vids!!!!
Great body as always too!
Like a Boss..
"You train how u fight and u fight how u train" a wise instructor told me once that..
So you shoot from your bed in your boxers at the range?....... Standard regurgitation of shit slogans
@@spartanmale5724 I will start sleeping with my bra on so I'm a better shot.
Travis, any discernible speed difference using an Aimpoint T-1 at that distance?
Yes it would be much faster sight acquisition.
Bebore? Spell Check.... Before, right? lol @ 5:56
I noticed that too... But at least it's at 5:56..
oh he's just testing our situational awareness lol. ...or is he?
Which Kevlar you you running for head gear.
Are you point shooting or getting a sight picture?
Sight picture for sure. He talks about it in other videos
At this speed and level, he's probably half both; He's done it enough at various ranges that he probably can game it, if he wanted to, and be in the 1's, but for purposes of teaching, legitimately halfway aims down sights.
Great Video. question what trigger are you running Travis??
this one was a GA S3G
Impressive ! Wow, ~600 likes and 0 dislikes, where are the haters ?!
The haters don't dare dislike Travis' video.....
there ya go i just did for shits and gigs
bill burr
Dumbass...
Narkan
ball washer. go play with ur airsoft guns
bill burr You know Travis runs Airsoft right? Stop hating on it, there's a purpose for it, and if people want to do it for fun, let them.
Quick question:
God forbid someone had to do this “for real,” would it make more sense to double tap all 3 threats then quad and double each still requiring lead therapy or to shoot each one once or shoot the greatest threat until it’s dead then the next greatest then the third?
Is that a team Wendy bump helmet?
Any thoughts on the trijicon optic??? I know its heavy...
actually its not that ad compared to other optics on the market in its category. its a phenomenal optic but still has limitations up close like in this drill.
HaleyStrategic How does the scope shadow compare to say, an elcan specter set to 1x magnification?
***** not bad, ELCAN is a Tad better, however the VCOG has a very bright EOTECH type retical that is easy to see up close which helps a lot for fighting through the scope shadow. I would still prefer red dots for these ranges but as you can see you can certainly make it work by using a soft sight picture and aligning the gun kinesthetically.
Nice I can try this.
How would one adapt this to a shotgun? 12 rounds is a lot, it would require a reload part way through for any practical weapon. 11211?
you must be a massive man to run this on a shotty.
the recoil from buckshot mot to mention slugs is impressive to say the least
Has anyone else had problems loading the hand gun 22422 video? I clicked on the link and it gave me a message that the video had been removed by the user.
Where do you get those targets from?
sweet drill !!!
is he using the BCM KMR rail?
i want your VCOG....
What's with the Sheriff patch? Is he a Sheriff?
Are there any assault rifles that you can fire full auto with very low recoil?
Yes all of them ;-)
does anyone know what combat shirt he is wearing???
Are the times your calling with reaction time or from first to last shot
Time starts at the beep ends at the last shot
What gunfighter shirt is that?
Hey boss quick question, why do you cant your weapon to the side a bit? Is there any reason in particular for that or does it just happen?
being he's got a magnified optic on there and shooting close range he's canting his gun and "aiming" along the side of the gun. You'll see a lot of military guys shoot at close ranges like that if they're only issued ACOGs. 10m and in i do the same thing unless I'm running a reflex sight of some sort
+KrayzeeShooter No, Travis advocates for only using sighted fire. The reason he has the gun canted is becaude his plates slope at the top, and canting is the only way to bring the rifle to your center without putting it on the plate
+Kataquan look towards the end of the video you can see his shooting eye is not in his optics
That carrier does not interfere with shoulder placement ive been running the same one as him for two years now
He might be an advocate for sighted shooting which i am too but at a close distance like that with a carbine its not needed when you know your gun and where your shots with land
Youre still aiming, just not through the optic
Now if it was an eotech then yes absolutely shoot through your sight
+KrayzeeShooter so it's more of an instinctive shooting style?
exactly what it is
BEAST!!!!!!
is that a vcog he's running on that rifle?
Yep, he probably got it for free too! Lol so jealous
Isn't that the Mayflower APC in Ranger Green? Correct me if I'm wrong.
He is so high speed low drag!!!
There should be a Call of Duty sub game with TH as drill instructer, or He could be at yhe beginning of the campaign mode. I know the real thing is better, but he deserves the props
What is the optic you are running on there Travis? Looks similar to a Vortex one that is sick. Vortex and BCM are in my state making some awesome gear.
Trijicon VCOG
HaleyStrategic
Love my VCOG
Move the gun or
Glide the gun?
Travis, can you suggest a modified version of this drill for the poor people in the great state of California?
Also, it looks like it may be time for a limited-run Thinkers Bebore Shooters shirt.
Run a featureless rifle and use your pre bans if you have them.
Awesome. Interesting to see him canting his rifle.
i believe its because hes using 45 degree iron sights
deafdeal3r
I don't see any canted sights on that carbine. It's more likely that he's slightly rotating to clear his chest plate so he's still getting good contact on his shoulder. That and he doesn't have to rotate his head to see clearly through the scope.
I don't see any optics on the 45 either. anyone know what optic that is??
***** possibly because of the cuts of the plates - may be slightly canting the stock to accommodate....
It's most likely that he is using the visible laser on the dbal, so he has to cant the rifle to get better field of view to see the laser.