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The second review of the Hellraiser series, Hellbound: Hellraiser 2
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“Go. Explore. We have eternity.”
Love that line
I always assumed that Julia wasn't as decomposed as Frank because she wasn't dead as long.
plus...ya know...bewbs!!!
Fun Fact: Chatterer was Leviathan's favorite Cenobite. So, Leviathan created more renditions of Chatterer than any other Cenobite.
Chatterer is such a bean. I love him. Deformed bois over real bois
@@antichristfox5727 yeah crazy that his career never took off. Wonder what he is doing now?
It took me years of watching both Hellraiser 2 and Aliens to realize that Dr. Kyle is also the snivelling Lt. Gorman. And I highly enjoy both films. I am ashamed.
Oh damn.....
Its all in the nose and eyes
Honestly I have only seen the first two Hellraiser movies and liked them quite a bit, I decided to not watch the movies after because I have heard that they get progressively worse and worse. Your reviews of all of the movies have pretty much proved me right in this choice. I would say that one of the biggest missteps was in taking away the neutral and ambiguous nature of the Cenobites making them typical horror movie monsters instead of these beings of extreme pain and pleasure only doing what they think the person who solved the puzzle box wanted. I also find Kirsty to be a rather likable protagonist with the fact that she is rather smart and will fight back.
Antichrist2000 I am glad to hear that I made the right choice since all the movies after the first two just sound awful. Freddy Kruger is a great killer and enjoyable in his own right, but I agree that shouldn’t be the blueprint of what Pinhead and the Cenobites should be modeled after. The whole thing that makes them creepy is not that they are evil but because of the way they look and their belief in extreme pleasure found in extreme pain. In fact the villains of Hellraiser movies should always be evil people like Frank Cotton and Julia Cotton, not the Cenobites. Also pissed when I found out what they did to Kirsty in the sixth movie too.
The third and fourth (though not as good as the first two) are definitely worth a watch.
I read/heard somewhere that the reason Chatterer suddenly has eyes in the second film is that the actor was uncomfortable in the first films costume as he couldn’t see anything, therefore requested eyes for the second installment.
I don't buy that..
“Keep the mattress” Well played. I almost fell off my bed in laughter.
Damn, need to rewatch this one. I don't remember so much of it. I thought it was cool how she made Pinhead reflect on himself. Its funny how human pinhead looks much older than the pale pin headed version.
Great review as always bro.
That’s so cool that Barbie Wilde followed you on Twitter 🙂
Would you be interested in doing the candyman series
He definitely should.
Hell yeah, the macabre feel of those films would be perfect for the channel
I think frank looking less human than Julia was because of the amount of blood was given to their “death beds” (quite literally in Julia’s case)
Frank got whatever blood was dripping from Larry’s hand, while Julia got a whole body and even more provided by Channard.
Wasn't Channard connected to the leviathan by that tube thing on his head? I always thought when his head came off it was because it was regretting him for some reason like the total death of all the cenobites (maybe not really that bad as I guess leviathan was okay with it, but bc Channard was trying to replace or make a new cenobite out of someone that didn't open the box freely. and other reasons like I felt personally that Channard started to see himself as a god and in the end that really pissed off leviathan and thats why it killed him, but thats me. and thats why in a way the resurrection of pinhead, to have someone to replenish and create more cenobites.
EVERAWAKE11 I like this complicated/believable explanation more than he used his head rather than his legs to lift. Lol
I always saw it as this is why leviathan slapped the tentacle on, and that's exactly what he did, he didn't GET it. Leviathan doesn't want murder, it wants flesh and desire.
I know the Hannibal shot was just a joke, but honestly I thought it would be pretty awesome if Lecter cameoed in this film, making the franchises the interconnected (if there wouldn’t be so many copyright issues, of course).
Not sure that would've worked at the time, considering the book had only been released a month before this film and the silence of the lambs films was about three years in the future.
Love your work, brother!
Why do you assume she's not crazy? Just because what she saw was real doesn't mean she didn't really go crazy from seeing it. Look at the Lovecraft movies
I always thought that vision wasn't actually real
Frank doesn't confirm that he teicked her if i remember correctly, he just goes creepy 0-100
Maybe it was a nightmare born from ptsd and whatever the hell they gave her at the ward
Pinhead: NO
Cenobite: No?
Aww((
Holy shit! I saw that scene where Julia gets her skin sucked off by the doorway when I was really little and it scared the crap out of me for a really long time. Only watching this review now do I know what movie it's from, but it scared me so much as a little kid that image was forever burned into my brain.
I gotta watch this movie
Have you ever noticed how similar Nightmare on Elm Street 3 and Hellraiser 2 are? Love your Hellraiser reviews!
@Antichrist2000 they both take place in mental asylums
Love your channel I hope you continue to do more
Hoping to have a new video out by the end of next week so keep a look out.
ah, one of the oh so rare instances of a sequel being better than it's predecessor.
If the cenobite doctor was not so silly, yes.
That's the biggest problem of the sequel, Chanard is really frightenning, but as soon as he turns into a cenobites, he becomes a gooffy chanting buffoon... That's the only thing keeping the sequel from being better than the first film.
I think Kirstie got Julia’s skin from the hallway after she fell into the void. When they pick up the box from her you see her pile of skin on the floor.
I want to thank you, your Channel is awesome, you save me so much time because I don't want to see the full movies
21:34 You are not Freddy Kruger and you never will be!
love your reviews, this was actually the first Hellraiser film I ever watched.
also love the intro theme! who is it by??
Probably Dream Theater, I cannot tell you the name of the album or the song, but the singer here seems to be John LaBrie.
That was a wild stab in the dark, Its a band called Die! She Said
@@deusdeaconReviews Good to know, I even got the name wrong, since it is James Labrie and not John LaBrie, but I'll look up up for this band :-)
Great review by the way, I am a big Hellraiser fan (just the novella and the first two movies, not so much of the remaining movies).
A fantastic film with a score that should be more well known
Actually don't they say her father is "unreachable"? That could mean he's not there. He's beyond that realm, thus beyond their reach.
Andy Semple he might be in heaven, limbo or purgatory.
That is a good point.
10:11 - 10:26 Ah, who cares. Gorman was always an a-hole. Just ask Vazquez.
With the fight I almost don't know what I was hoping for, I mean the moment of them facing him was badass but at the same time we haven't really had any indication they are good at fighting and only pinhead has anything that useful in a fight. It would have been better if it had been a closer fought thing with the Cenobites at least being armed with some torture devices and seeming to enjoy the wounds they take.
Tifanny is a fine example of 80s hot 😍
The ending fight could have been a bit better as well not only if it was a closer thing, but if the "this was you" thing didn't work, Pinhead just looks at it and says "ah yes, before I discovered this world of pleasure of pain" and casts it aside, highlighting that they actually like the forms they are in now, and it's not some weird mind control, as that's how it ends up looking. They could then still have had the fight as they would disagree with Channards more insane ways of doing things, as they have a strict religiously ordered way of doing things, thus still giving Kirsty time to escape.
It's weird but even though I do still like this film as well, it's clear they were already starting to veer away from "Angles to some Daemons to others" thing, probably because audiences didn't quite get it and just thought they were the evil bad guys.
This helped make sense of the movie. First time I watched it, I couldn’t make sense of it.
I had no idea the female cenobite was sister celise . There is a really cool book of short stories by various authors called Hellbound Hearts that are all inspired by Barker's original novel and one of the stories deals with her origin. If you liked the Hellbound Heart i can't recommend the collection enough because there are some great stories in it ( a couple that come close to rivaling the original IMO).
I can't believe you haven't got more subs... Utterly disgraceful internet, should be ashamed of yourselves not noticing this chap
I'm having a tough time handling your accent so I'm listening to you and Neil deGrasse Tyson at the same time. Sounds amazing!
I didnt think I had a particular strong accent.
LOL. I sometimes forget that sarcasm doesn't translate well in type.
Great reviews sir!
i like 2, i always thought the thing that got channard was actually leviathan, wanting a more hands on approach in this world. i was disappointed with the death of pinhead and his gash, and the fact tiffany had solved the cube to change that caused his ripping apart
Two things I think time may also be a factor in how fresh you are when you come back and from what I know the whole Larry in hell thing was supposed to be what the movie showed but since the actor who played Larry didn't return for this movie they basically let the script run up to the point of reveal and then just winged with that bit hence why it is kind of out of place in comparison with the rest of the movie.
I know that this is 8 years late, but according to the directors commentary on the DVD of Hellrasier 2, Peter Atkins (the writer) states the reason why Channard was able to take out the Cenobites is because they were "weakened" by the revelation that they were once human. Under "normal" circumstances, they would have won. In my own personal opinion, the Cenobites death is ass and it really pisses me off.
Awesome hell sing collection
I could never understand the Chanard spears in the floor/decapitation scene. Why could he not detach the spears as he did when he fired the spears like he has done previously?
I watched the sequel to specifically watch this video. Was not disappointed with any of it.
Cool that the actress hit you up. enjoyed this review.
My mom took my brother and I to see this with some of her coworkers after her bar shift at like 1:00am back when it came out. I was 4 and he was 1. For years I had nightmares about a woman getting her skin sucked off, and a skinless woman making out with a man.
THE DOCTOR IS IN!!
7:53 i can't stop laughing... why? Lmao
My favourite Hellraiser movie by far
So, the laughing tiny skeleton actually looks like its getting "special attention" and is that a paynus at 25:49?!
review pumpkinhead ashes to ashes
Pin head freaked me out as a kid, even the pinhead figures I used to see in comic shops used to terrify me.
What is the music in the your opening
Look at me by Die! She Said
22:25 Iirc it's been said somewhere that Cenobites who go "above and beyond" in the "call of duty" are rewarded by being made more human...or something.
But to them they've always been that way so why would it matter ?
You see I've always wondered why on the first Hellraiser they came back for Christy because in this one she does so a desire to open the box
she showed a desire to open the box in the first film too,
We have to see, we have to know...
I heard a rumor that the company behind this wanted to make Julia the new main villain of the series, they obviously underestimated Pinhead's popularity.
I do state that exact thing
Then they really tried to do it? man, no wonder all goes downhill from here, i don't think Lionsgate respects the work of Clive Barker.
TheSpawnfan in the comics Kirsty becomes the new hell priest (pinhead) after he is killed off and is thus why she never appears in any more of the films after 3 I believe.
TheSpawnfan Julia as the main villain makes a lot more sense to me than taking away the ambiguous nature of Pinhead and the other Cennobites.
In fact, Claire Higgins herself mentioned that she will not return to reprise her role in the series. That is another reason why Pinhead became the main focus for the Hellraiser series.
I always thought chinard was part of leviathan because he was connected by the head, so that's what made he so powerful.
One of the few classic horror movies that has a sequel worth watching, such as Halloween/Halloween II. And unlike A Nightmare on Elm Street, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and The Exorcist.
I watched this today and Netflix suggested I watch Pixar’s Coco next.
Weird interpretation of mine-The Labyrinth version of "Hell" is all Tiffany's vision of hell. Everything we see there is translated through Tiffany's conscious. I'm not suggesting it's unreal-it has a weight and reality of it's own. Just that "Hell" can't be viewed or interpreted into human perception without a filter. The puzzle box opens Hell to the solver, so it's Tiffany's lense through which all the characters in this particular adventure see it. Like the insanity that traps her, Hell is viewed as puzzles and traps that make it hard to communicate with others. When Leviathan is "solved" so is Tiffany's perception but in reverse. Tiffany opens the doorway back to the real world by normalizing her perception of the real world.
I was never bothered by Kirsty becoming Julia. That's clearly a piece of Kirsty's quest. Kirsty came from the same family and background as both Julia and Frank. She does keep calling to and working with the Cenobytes. She is destined to be a Cenobyte. From a practical standpoint, learning to skin walk is just her first major step toward embracing the magics of the otherside. From an allegorical standpoint, she is no longer the babe to be sacrificed but has become the witch doing the sacrificing by literally walking in the witch's skin.
I mean the killing the cenobites really does kind of ruin it as it makes you end up thinking "oh so she could have stopped them with a gun... or a knife... or the feared pointed stick as they are literally just stabbed and die, yet the doctor can have a blender in his head and still be alive... why is he able to survive things that would kill normal people but the others aren't? were they just crappy half-breed versions and he was meant to be an improves more pure version?
It's a shame the rest ended so badly as I would have loved to have seen more on the cenobites world and what they get up to when people aren't opening boxes, but alas it was not to be... and while every other old film gets a remake that is at least passable (sometimes even good) Hellraiser continues going with utter horseshit instead of a solid restart with a director who realises it could be gold.
Fun fact, all the Hellraiser movies after the first one no longer follow Clive Barker's book nor are in any way related really besides names.
Thank you captain obvious
Man, thank goodness for subtitles, or I wouldn't have ANY CLUE what you were saying in this video because of that accent.... /endsarcasm
The cenobytes are everybodies favorite Angels.
I swear this is the only other movie I've seen William Hope in.
me to but he looks very different with hair
@7:53 lmao....brilliant! Sad, but true reality for us horror fans lol
when channard screams it sounds like he is screaming into an electric fan like how everyone used to as a kid fndjsnfjfd
If it's not hands but desire that call the cenobite why did they try to take kirsty in the first movie?
because she opened the box and more importantly wanted to open it of he own free will, it was her desire to see what the box contained.
Ahh I see. I was under a different impression that it's a more direct desire like that of Frank or Channard, but that makes more sense.
@@periwinkle43 I'm a year late but also when the Cenobites took Frank at the end of the first film they told Kirsty that it was a sight not for her eyes, yet she stayed and watched anyways. I think that's why they pursued her. Through some kind of way, Kirsty showed that she cared about what the Cenobites power contained.
Lt. Gorman just can't catch a break...
26:36 I'd be careful with that box.
So why was the doctor so much stronger than the other Cenobites? Did they explain that?
They didn't, but if you think about it, it makes perfect sense. When Kirsty tells them they were human once and they seem to start remembering their past, that's when Leviathan strips them of all their powers. And that's why they are easily killed off by the Channard cenobite, who's now his god's new favorite...he's even connected to him via that giant tentacle stuck in his head.
Still waiting on your review of the latest movie
im working on it as we speak
@@deusdeaconReviews great to hear
25.47 A few items on that pillar are probably more horrifying than anything else. Disembodied and mutilated genitals might be the most on point imagery. XD
I know I might be a little late on this comment but I’ve always felt Cine bite blood was that blue liquid
I just realized that was lieutenant Gorman from aliens
Fact: The Movie was initially X rated By MPAA but was Cut to get A R rating
Check with Spoony for the location of Trottleville, USA
Link?
also I wanna add that basement dungeon thing looks like freddy krugers lair
Good movie. Didn't know those voices were dubbed.
Hellbound: Hellraiser 2: Deusdaecon Reviews reviewed 24 July 2015 & actor Robert Hines=Steve from 1987 Original died approx 23 October 2015 according to IMDB movie page! Hellraiser actors eg Frank Baker homeless man from first film or old woman in pet shop complaining etc even google can t say much of what became of them in later years! Ameigh Leigh aka Sandy from Hell on Earth little on her also!
Was that Hannibal lector clip real?
It was a real clip of hannibal lector if thats what your asking, but i added it, it was a joke.
Why didn't Chernard turn back into a human?
19:52 or like he swallowed a vibrator. Same with 21:36.
Darth Vader: I am your father
Luke: 11:38
Keep the mattress 😂😂
But Kirsty had no desire or whatever. She was just curious to what the box was, not what she thought it could do for her.
yeah she was curious what the box was and had a desire to find out, doesn't matter what form that desire takes, she wanted to open the box.
Deusdaecon Reviews If that’s the case, couldn’t Tiffany have had a desire to solve the puzzle just for the sake of solving it? That’s a desire, right?
Wait, didn’t one of the other Hellraiser movies show someone being forced at gunpoint to open the Lament Configuration and the Cenobites took everybody except one person? Or am I misremembering it?
Tiffany had zero desire to open the box she was mentally ill and just had a compulsion to solve puzzles, it was an automatic unconscious response from her, she neither wanted to understand nor cared about any of the puzzles she solved, also yeah a few times someone has solved the box at gun point, but thats still a desire to open it to end the current situation.
Deusdaecon Reviews Oooh okay. Thanks for explaining to me. Had Tiffany found the box on her own, she would have solved it, but no cenobites would have showed up because she did it automatically without thought or desire. Gotcha.
It sucks cause the character that Pinhead is banned on was actually of "feminine" origins
Well technically pinhead is more of a combination of two different cenobites who appear in the hell bound heart, one of those was indeed feminine in nature.
Some advice for your channel, put your tumblr in the description. It’s kinda annoying with the watermark.
okay two things 1: the tumblr link is and has always been in the description of pretty much every video made after its creation 2: the majority of my videos don't have the watermark cause it was something i was just trying out and as a bonus 3 : I don't use the tumblr page anymore anyway
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Is Leviathan suppose to be a living thing or just a machine? The movie gets religious so, I can't but be baffled because aren't Leviathans the first beasts created by God before humanity? I just keep thinking maybe the blue liquid the Leviathan's blood but, since it looks like a machine I don't know?
Maybe it is a machine that is their god.
lol, the skit at 7:42 is so me during horror films by this point. Other people are in states of shock and horror and I'm busy eating pasta with tomato sauce with A Serbian Film or Cannibal Holocaust on the TV...after the first few hundred times watching the likes of Salo, Irreversible and the like it becomes pretty rote...
Mind you, put on an Adam Sandler, Tyler Perry or *shudder* Kirk Cameron movie and things become deathly serious with barf buckets galore...
Wait... isnt female also called Nikoletta? Nikoletta Cilice than?
in the info i found she was only ever called sister cilice, so I'm not sure
@@deusdeaconReviews either way, it's awesome!
Supposedly the filmmakers rasn out of money before the hell climax was completed. You can tell that Frank and Julia were meant to fall down a chasm, or die in some other way, but instead they film the hallway, as if they were being sucked down it, or hell tilted ninety degrees, to make it a deadly fall. I've heard the filmmakers were very unhappy with the end. I love it except for the Doctor Cenobite, with his corny jokes. Hellraiser doesn't need one liners.
My dude these videos have way too many ads on them. It's kind of ridiculous.
I’m not in control of placing them thats TH-cam placing ads based on the length of the video, I cant see ads on my own videos so I only know this when someone like yourself mentions it, no ads shouldn’t play during the video now.
Why do youtuber's think recapping a movie scene by scene with occasional quips qualifies as a review? Still enjoyed the video
Because its a simple and easy way to give the "quips" or as i call them comments, criticisms, "the review" context and weight without having to waste your time and mine by explaining what i mean, this film is 21 years old now, no one should need a simple yay or nay on it, so we go through piece by piece with you the viewing public (to make you feel like we're experiencing it together) in an analytical and critical way, its more a post mortem analysis then a review, but review is easier to fit in the title description.
This is one of the few channels that almost always has something of value to say after each summary. He'll comment on clever details, (or not-so-clever details), and either compliment or critique how each scene contributes to the film's entirety.
Take another reviewer, Decker Shado. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike his videos, but that's a reviewer who does a lot of summarizing and says little about it. Also, context.
So far, these movie depict ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’ both utilizing flesh condoms to try and achieve victory.
Strange movies.
(Puts on intellectual cap and begins talking in an arrogant manner) The message behind the film was the futility of a DeviantArt v. Tumblr civil war as they are both different yet similar sorts of degenerate and distasteful media.
I wasn't a huge fan of Hellraiser 1, but thought it was alright for what it was. Hellraiser 2 however seemed to just fall victim to all the usual faults of shitty sequels: Fucking up the order of resurrections, rushing the franchise's process (Like the xenomorph lifecycle in AvP), giving explanations that doesn't really make much sense for the cenobites, which had been much better left unexplained and to the imagination.
Also, the doctor isn't scary or doesn't even feel like a cenobite. He's just goofy as hell. And how does that thing on his head even work? Is he flying? Is he being dragged? Why is he, and not the other cenobites, like that?? Why did they even fight against each other? Because they found out they were human? Well, the doctor knew that when he got out of the machine, so how was he fine with it? Didn't they have their memory leaving the machine? Goddamn it, Im thinking too much about this stupid shit.
to answer a few of your questions channard was intentionally different, his penis hat was apparantly leviathan itself, making channard more like its puppet, literally of course as well as matephorical, the other cenobites werent willing or aware of the transformation, channard was and actively wanted it, Im not saying i agree or like those explanations that just what other sources say is the case.
Deusdaecon Reviews Okay, but to be a cenobite, they would have used the cube, no? Like we saw Pinhead to at the beginning of the 2nd movie? So they wanted sensations or pleasures, or whatever, right? So, how is that different from Channard? Seems like they were willing themselves?
See, that's the problem with sequels for me:
They try to explain more, and because of it, make what was just a mystery before, now just seem illogical, or even flat out stupid. It ruins the mystique and tries to expand on something, that didn't need expanding. Or at least not in that way. They could easily have kept the mystique and just repeated the formula from the original movie, with some differences of course.
It seems so obvious to me, that the story of the sequel was only written, to try and cash in on the Hellraiser popularity. If that isn't the case, and the sequel was written before the first movie was even filmed, then I'm afraid I've given that movie too much credit, lol.
I agree if you explain something too much youll ruin it especially when i comes to horror, cause the best horror lets the imagination run riot, but with hellbound i personally think they toe the line without crossing it, also yes they use the puzzle box with the promise of inimaginable pleasure but 1. theyre not wanting/expecting the cenobites channard was because he did his reasearch, and 2 they doubly not expecting to become monstrous minions to its whim, and although in that case channard wasnt, he was power mad and had the delusions of grandeur likening himself to a god allready in his own mind so leviathan just made that a reality.
Deusdaecon Reviews Yeah, I get what you are saying, but it seem feels off for me. Leviathan is never referenced again in later movies, as far as I know. The whole Leviathon "god" doesn't really explain anything. It just tries to serve as a kind of explanation or purpose, but it ultimately just explains a mystery, with a even bigger mystery. Or in this case, a black plot hole.
Only thing I thought when I saw it for the first time was "wtf is that?", "how is that a god?" and "how does it work?", lol. The movie never really explains any of these things and it just leaves for more to be desired, if anything. they could have made an entire movie about Leviathon, but they would probably just have fucked that up, hehe.
I should say there is a bit of contradiction of you saying the film explains and answers too much, and you say it doesnt explain or answer enough
Someone got a crush on Barbara Wilde, there? Eh?
errr obviously, who wouldn't ?
Seriously, though, I just happened to run across your channel for the first time yesterday and went through the Final Destination and Hellraiser (so far) reviews. I like your take on things; they've been pretty enjoyable to listen to so far. So keep up the good work, man.
Thanks very much, glad you enjoy the videos, new review is released this saturday btw.
Hellraiser 1 great Hellraiser 2 good All the rest shit. Don't waste your time.
Not sure why you commented this on both videos, but this is fairly accurate, I just hope you don't comment this on all the other Hellraiser videos
@@deusdeaconReviewswait.. u haven't uploaded in years but have replied to this? Where r u?!
Can't stand your intro. Everything else is great
Love your reviews, but that awful opening theme needs to go. It's alright though, I fast forward past that awful song.
Greenarcher707 what song is it? i’ve been trying to find it
@@playbxy666 "look at me" by the band "Die! She Said"