please provide a time reference -- I cannot stomach more than a minute of Iain Dale (who I heard many times denying a voice to people who wanted to warn against what was clearly happening). EDIT: No matter, I held my stomach and watched. Of course, it had to be Iain, that hilarious old joker.
Iain Dale has a penchant for putting down, talking over and insulting people who don’t fit in with his narrative. He isn’t a competent interviewer. Why he is on his pedestal, pulpit blathering away?
@@SimonJennings-qe4imAre you saying that the oct 7 attack came from nowhere? Was unprovoked? Opinions of people from the country that caused the whole mess to begin with should be more informed.
People simplify them as just prisoners and make them seem like criminals. But if you actually look into the charges and the way evidence was gathered etc.. it seems that for petty simple things they are being imprisoned, interrogated for long periods of time. For example posting in social media as an Arab in Israel in support of Palestine can land you in one of those prisons. The discrimination of Palestinian in Israeli prisons needs to be further investigated. In addition its alarming how many child prisoners they hold.
@@TaraBodhi1and that’s because the world was sleeping and not made aware of the history prior to Oct 7, and also believed the BS spread by the IDF re: what had happened. Where is the evidence of the rapes committed against Israeli women, the 40 beheaded babies, the burnt Israeli children, the 1600 killed civilians by Hamas? No evidence right? Wake up people.
I don't think the supercilious Kate Andrews realises that while it is not a crime for a British citizen to serve in the IDF (as dual nationals are entitled to serve in the legitimate armed forces of their second country) it is a crime to participate in a war crime. And, as the Nuremberg trials showed it is not enough to argue that you were merely following orders. Most certainly the Met are a flawed organisation but on this they must be seen to be even handed especially after the lengths they went to to prosecute Muslim and Ukrainian dual nationals signing up for service in other wars.
Is she thinking that the life of the hostages are important than the lives of 10000 innocent children in Gaza? She must be out of her mind. Remember your double standard when it comes to Palestine and ukreine
Nope. Hamas can't stay in power in Gaza. If you care for the lives of the innocents, why don't you call upon Hamas to leave Gaza? Once Hamas is out of Gaza, there will be no war.
@@nattycooper6622 there'd be no Hamas if it wasn't for Israel. For a start they created Hamas. They did so to ensure there would never be peace and they would use that to justify the occupation of Palestine and the attacks on Palestine and the theft of the Palestinians land.
Israel supporters melting down after realising that ministers and generals calling for turning gaza into a parking lot on oct 7 and doing so has international consequences. Who would've thought😂😂?
Fair play to Zack Polanski, he was absolutely spot on with his comments. The Israeli government claims (wrongly) to speak for all Jews, but regardless of background anyone with a shred of decency can see their actions are totally inexcusable.
Zionism isn't even a religious belief. In reality, the leaders of the modern Zionist movement that was created in Europe weren't motivated by religion. Many of them were actually secular or agnostic Jews. They saw the Jewish people more as a nation than a religious group. For them, Zionism meant establishing a separate political state for the Jewish nation. Originally Uganda and Argentina was proposed as a homeland for the Zionist before Palestine. *To put things into perspective, in the year 1891 Jewish people owned less than 1% of land in Palestine,* *where as Palestinians owned 99%. In 1947 that number was still at a low, with the Jews owning below 5% of Palestinian land.
Correct. Theodore Hertz was not a religious Jew at all. He admitted it, yet it was he through his banking friends, The Rothschilds that convinced Lord Balfour and the UK government to hand over Palestine.
The MET police are involved because Israel has dual nationals in the IDF who have travelled from Britain, called up as reservists. They are now involved in a claim of war crimes and therefore under international law have to be questioned up on arriving back into the UK. Britain seemed to have a problem with British war tourists fighters returning from Syria. Yet suddenly its ok if its Israel, a country that has consistently broken international law and UN mandates for decades. Israel has had its fair amount of terrorists designated as such under international law. Meir Kahane for example. One of his supporters is now Netanyahu's national security minister..
A slight difference in that in Syria they were mostly after the people doing the beheading from Isis etc. Where as IDF is attacking Hamas who were the beheaders. So it's pretty murky water to navigate. But either way Israel needs to get this wrapped up asap so it can come to some sort of resolution. Enough people have died.
The "horrific attacks by Hamas" are pre-dated by years of killing of civilians, including the clear targeting of teenagers by IDF snipers, and years of "occupation forces" operations, with impunity, in Gaza, and years of indiscriminate bombings. While Hamas definitely acted as terrorists, many of the acts attributed to them *never occurred* , and some of the "mass executions" occurred during Israeli "rescues", with no accounting of how many Israelis were killed by " friendly fire"; some of the tales of people supposedly burned alive show evidence of them being hit by helicopter-fired missiles... In short, the netanyahu government spread lies and hyperbole, in order to stir up sympathy for their revenge attacks, attacks far beyond any reasonable proportionality!
The chosen apologists claim that Israeli 'snipers' are exercising their ethical side when they shoot innocent children and young people in the leg, causing life changing injuries. This kind of 'kindness' has gone on for years.
Yep, i can guess on which tictok channels you're getting your info. Just to let you know, everything you have said in your responce is science fiction. I suggest you start looking into the real information and try to draw conclusion from there.
Dropping flyers , what a joke , telling people to go to a safe zone and then bombing them , are you guys for real , honestly for all the soft talking you are doing , you really need to search your conscience
I hate this absurd attempt at binary options. Do you care about Israel? Well clearly you don't care about Gaza. Do you think war crimes are bad? Well you don't care about Israel! Here's a valid option, I don't like Netanyahu or his policies. I didn't like them in the past and I still don't. I also don't agree that he should be allowed to commit war crimes. I don't think his current policy is making Israelis safer. Conversely I don't support Hamas because, in part, I don't like the violent deaths of children. If that holds true for the actions of Hamas why can't I also hold a democratically elected government to those same standards? Why are the deaths of children less tragic when they're state sponsored rather than the actions of terrorists? I, in fact, dislike all violent deaths of children and think ethical governments should try to avoid them at all costs. There is plenty of space in the middle and people from all different backgrounds have been making that case for months. It's not difficult. It's the supporters of Netanyahu who want to make this an argument where his actions are "protecting Israel" and dissent is anti-Semitic. Normal people can despise terrorism, anti-Semitism and war crimes all at once. It's not a difficult position to have, but the media likes to treat people with those beliefs with incredulity. As if it's so unbelievable that if they just ask enough questions you'll find out no one really feels that way. I suppose that way they can go back to ignoring war crimes because anyone who disagrees with war crimes is immoral so they don't really count as war crimes? Honestly I still don't understand how that's supposed to work but I've seen "oh you say you think Israel might be committing war crimes well that makes you the real villains!!" to assume there's some reason for it.
Ah ,you misunderstood all this ,it’s a game of political football. You pick one side and stick to it ,depending on on political persuasion etc,etc. well said though. 👏🏻
Propaganda and incitment to crimes against humanity is also deemed as complicity to the act. Food for thought for these corrupted journalists and politicians
4:39 1 hostage has been rescued by military action and at least 3 hostages have been k illed by the IDF. The military action has been detrimental to hostages. Over 130 have been released through prisoner exchanges brokered by Qatar. Edit : people have said maybe the exchanges only happened because of military action, this is incorrect for the simple fact Hamas has refused to release more hostages because of the military action.
Prisoner exchanges are bs you release our civilians we will release your fighters f that. Why is it everyone says their country doesn’t and shouldn’t negotiate with terrorists but they expect Israel to?
@@davidcooks2379Yes. Hamas said they want to release them in the first week, lloooonng before the invasion. They said the capturing of civilians isn’t what we are after, if there are conditions conducive of collecting and letting them go, we will do that with no conditions other than the secure environment to release them. That was in the first week. The military “pressure” did not work. How would you claim it is the reason they did the exchange while they, now, refuse to even discuss the negotiations before the fighting is stopped. That is their request since more than a month and they haven’t budge and doesn’t seem that they will because they feel comfortable militarily against the IDF. The pressure the IDF put did not do anything to the hostage situation except make it 10 folds worse
Kate should watch some of the footage filmed by IDF soldiers of their own actions, or any of the speeches, made by Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich or Hotevely, that shows all anyone needs to know about how far things have broken down in Israel.
What exactly happens if the ICJ indeed rules against Israel ? I mean, what can they do that the UN’s Security Council, it’s General Assembly, Red Cross, Amnesty International, UNICEF etc etc with their countless Requests, Resolutions , Condemnations, Assertions and other things like that, haven’t been able to do ?
It has no enforcement mechanism, and certain countries like the US and Russia have ignored its rulings before. But even symbolically, or in terms of optics, it can have ramifications. Certain countries can choose to take actions in the form of diplomatic, economic, or other forms of sanctions, and point to the ruling as their basis for doing so. Even organizations that wishes to say bring forward other related cases against Izrael can point to the rulings of this court. All of these are simply potential ramifications though. It always comes down to whether anyone will act on it.
@@ChrisAlbertH47 They will not rule against Israel because they know Israel will ignore them, Right now the Zionists can't stop the fighting and can't destroy Hamas, because they know if they do stop or destroy Hamas the whole world is united in calling for a two-state solution and are waiting for the war to stop, this is the reason the Zionists are talking of a long war and hoping for a miracle to happen so the world changes, the Zionists definitely don't want to give up the territories they hold,
It obligates all nations who have signed the agreement to sanction and divest from Israel. The Israelis know this, which is why they are there desperately trying to defend themselves, and they have even gone to all foreign embassies in Israel to pressure their diplomats to make public statements in defense of Israel to influence the court’s decision
I do hope -- for your own health's sake -- that you didn't listen to any of his LBC phone-in shows, especially for the first couple of months after Oct 7th. Compared to then, he's become quite a moderate genocidist.
@@peterkenyon3578 The UK is a signatory to the criminal Court of Justice. Police Forces around the world will be doing the same. The Metropolitan police are also investigating allegations in Ukraine and other places. Ian Dale knows this but he wants people like you to get angry.
And the ICC can actually prosecute, the ICJ can only make statements and recommendations, which any UNSC member can veto. We all know who will. But the world will know.
Know your history kid.. the entire population are NOT hamas so Israels destruction of PALASTINE is unjust! Seriously kid just do some basic historic research on this conflict before you go around calling people terrorists and making 🤮 emojis like a 7 y/o!
Imagine YOU.. yes yourself.. were a innocent family living in PALASTINE and this destruction was going on around you im sure you would have a different opinion
South Africa is not going to play games with Israel at the International Court 🤣 We have vast experience dealing with apartheid governments, more than 100 years of experience.
What the British police should be doing is finding out if any British Jewish people who are coming back from Israel if they had joined the IDF while they were there.
@@TheAArmstrong There is. The FEA 1870 prohibits UK nationals from enlisting in the military or navy of any foreign state at war with a “friendly state”.
@@ghostx3321 Is Gaza considered a friendly state?? Or even a state?? They did sweet FA for the hundreds of returning ISIS fighters so I doubt it will be a priority. Just lip service to keep the mobs at bay. Nothing will happen.
I’m sorry but so sick of this bull. Both politicians and media companies, including LBC work alongside lawyers. You have absolutely zero excuse months after this siege began to be still leaning on the excuse the you are not a lawyer, and nobody should be saying we shouldn’t be discussing whether Israel’s actions could constitute war crimes. International law on this is already written. The truth is you have all consulted with lawyers on this and the advice they have given you if you don’t want to be honest and call Isreal out is to feign ignorance of the law, the equivalent of no comment. But you know. You all know that Isreal is almost certainly beyond a shadow of a doubt committing war crimes. We have all seen the evidence for months on end and you are still here gaslighting the public over it. Bring an expert on international law on to your show and ask them. I dare you. And the fact that Starmer who is an expert on law cannot bring himself to answer basic questions over is nothing short of a pure disgrace.
Where is the questioning of how is the UK government reflecting the views and wishes of the UK population, most of which are horrified by the destruction ongoing in Gaza and want a ceasefire and much more firm and decent adherence to international law. The British people are being treated as plebs whose views do not matter . The horrific near-recent history of the Jewish people and the terrible October 1300 massacre in Israel do not “ok” the siege on the Gaza population still without basic supplies and water, the destruction of their hospital provision , the massacre of civilians, the maiming of thousands of children being put in the situation of amputation without anaesthesia and the destruction of Gaza.
In a war innocent people can be killed but in this war it is only the palestian people that being killed not Jewish people in this war is in Palestina that hospitals mosque and churches and building houses are being bommed not in Israël its the palestian people that forced leave their home and go to the south not Jewish people and still saying that this is a war is injustice
K. Andrews - was totally wrong on this one. The case was not symbolic at all, the trial of the case may take years, but if the court finds, in the weeks that will be taken to consider the case, that the case has substance and will be heard by the court. The ICJ can issue a statement that should stop Isreal from further action in Gaza - a seize fire. Though the ICJ can not force Isreal do what it says, it can definitely deter it and put pressure on Isreal.
Why is it odd if the police want to know if any British Idf fighters have committed crimes in Palestine . As we have seen many videos of them doing so .
It is a little disappointing to not hear a response from the pro-Israel speakers on the panel to Zachs words. Mostly because I'm not sure how they would respond without being able to call the person they disagree with a anti-Semite
3:35 by the way what Dale finds extraordinary, is something that has been going on for people from Ukraine for 2 years. The point of what the police are doing is in cooperation with the international court, so that body of evidence can be accumulated. I'm not sure why Dale cares if Isreal has done nothing then this case will be open and shut, if they have and especially when it is as serious as this I'm sure he would be glad that the British police are gathering evidence.
Not surprising this racism from these colonialists. It is in their DNA. They are first off the blocks in crying foul if its some country they are after. Here they are squirming, hemming and hawing in this case...which is clear as daylight to the whole world as to what is going on in Gaza.
These programmes are ridiculous. Most of the panellists repeat rumour and speculation as truth. As Dale points out they don't understand the difference between international law and war crimes and they make sweeping statements which he then has to correct with evidence. Can we get some real experts on these panels?
As usual it's a very white conversation, from a privileged point of view. With very little understanding of other cultures. Or the actual topic, tbh. The gentleman at the end is only reasonable voice.
what Ian Dale failed to clarify was that Netanyahu did not admonish the guy for the intention of nuking Gaza but that by saying it he acknowledged that Israel has nuclear weapons which they have always denied.
Message to Anne FRANK Anne, reading your diary, I felt your suffering and I cried. Very young, I did not understand how humans could commit so many atrocities. Today, it is happening again, other children, from another community, are hungry, thirsty, deprived of care, continuously bombarded. They are hunted from camp to camp like game. The bodies of all these torn, disfigured kids lie under the stones and dust of their land. From the Auschwitz camp to the Gaza camp, no difference: we exterminate methodically and coldly. There was your newspaper to tell the horror, now there is the image to show the face of hatred. Anne, like you, they took their lives. Z.M
The met police have the legal obligation to probide all details of any war crimes reported to it. There are mutiple UK charities and individuals involved in sending our citizens to illegally occupied territories to join the occupation forces and vreak International law. Did we not think this would catch up to us.
Zack Polanski is just and outright realistic about what's happening in Gaza. Unlike the young lady and the third lady, they are biased and agreeable to the host because he doesn't interupt them when they talk, but only interupt the first lady and Zack. Ultimately it doesn't help to host a discussion about this knowing already that you are biased as a host because you are not going to adjudicate the discussion in a fair manner.
The fact that BBC decided not to show any of the footage where South Africa bring their case and only the footage of Israel's defence says a lot. Also, the footage from so many other demo's aren't available on BBC iplayer. Since when is it a broadcaster's decision whether or to be biased to one side. Present the facts. That's your duty.
(Edited to correct typo) The Met police have to do what they are doing because the UK is one of the 5 permanent members of the UN. Those second and third women are actually a mouthpiece of Israel. The met police are required to investigate as one of the main countries it's their responsibility under international law. The UK public should applaud that their given that importance on the world stage.
When you interrupt a speaker to make a joke, whilst they are addressing an important matter that you don't seem to agree with. That says a lot.
It's downplaying the seriousness and de-humanize the victims
please provide a time reference -- I cannot stomach more than a minute of Iain Dale (who I heard many times denying a voice to people who wanted to warn against what was clearly happening).
EDIT: No matter, I held my stomach and watched. Of course, it had to be Iain, that hilarious old joker.
@@theotheoth Dale makes a joke at 7,50min
@7:50min
It's a shame he makes a joke at this ungodly moment.
Iain Dale has a penchant for putting down, talking over and insulting people who don’t fit in with his narrative. He isn’t a competent interviewer. Why he is on his pedestal, pulpit blathering away?
Dehumanization of non european population is a trend in Europe.
Indeed, I guess the west has not truly become more civilized has it?
Only those who do not assimilate, rightfully so. We don't want a bunch of Sam situations like in france.
You mean like the White settlers in America assimilated with the Native Americans?@@MrHammerman97
Please stop existing@@MrHammerman97
@@MrHammerman97Why not just say "the white ones."
I’ve gone pass blaming the Israeli government…BUT the uk response makes feel physically sick…
yep
October 7th - have you watched it?
@@melttip So that's a politicians way of saying No then.
@@SimonJennings-qe4imAre you saying that the oct 7 attack came from nowhere? Was unprovoked? Opinions of people from the country that caused the whole mess to begin with should be more informed.
@@melttipAre you sure you're not gold??
She didn't mention the Palestinian hostages in the Israeli prisons. Don't go on television as an expert when you don't even qualify as an amateur.
And the bo di es being held in fr ee zers In lzrayli prisons !
@@supernova7848 If that's some kind of a joke. Your career as a comedian isn't going to happen.
People simplify them as just prisoners and make them seem like criminals. But if you actually look into the charges and the way evidence was gathered etc.. it seems that for petty simple things they are being imprisoned, interrogated for long periods of time. For example posting in social media as an Arab in Israel in support of Palestine can land you in one of those prisons. The discrimination of Palestinian in Israeli prisons needs to be further investigated. In addition its alarming how many child prisoners they hold.
It was investigated by Amnesty, UN .. there're many reports on that.
U only need to know that conviction rate for Palestinians is 99% @@Sham-zo8mu
She should be a professional….like you?
Shame on Iain Dale. He has gone from giving Israel full backing to using weasel words when the reality of this horror plays out
Perhaps he has a heart and is struggling to support stopping food and water for 2 million civilians
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Most of the world sympatheted with Israel on Oct7. That was 3mths ago - before they massacred 30,000 civilians
@@TaraBodhi1and that’s because the world was sleeping and not made aware of the history prior to Oct 7, and also believed the BS spread by the IDF re: what had happened. Where is the evidence of the rapes committed against Israeli women, the 40 beheaded babies, the burnt Israeli children, the 1600 killed civilians by Hamas? No evidence right? Wake up people.
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That second woman makes me feel sick.
'The IDF are dropping flyers'
Vile mouthpiece.
Just vile.
And yet the numbers of dead civilians are staggering... she's either complicit or in cognitive dissonance
@sarahjaneross2918 She considers the Palestinians sub human and therefore has no empathy for them.
You can’t read? You think they were just kidding? They even phoned people to tell them what was going to happen.
Let's just put it this way; A lot of British citizens in the IDF are going to wish they'd left their smart phones at home.
I don't think the supercilious Kate Andrews realises that while it is not a crime for a British citizen to serve in the IDF (as dual nationals are entitled to serve in the legitimate armed forces of their second country) it is a crime to participate in a war crime. And, as the Nuremberg trials showed it is not enough to argue that you were merely following orders.
Most certainly the Met are a flawed organisation but on this they must be seen to be even handed especially after the lengths they went to to prosecute Muslim and Ukrainian dual nationals signing up for service in other wars.
Exactly. I made my report back in 2013 when I heard about their recruitment office in North London.
David Cameron did not say there IS evidence of war crimes - he said he worries that there MIGHT BE.
Cameron referred to Gaza as an open air prison. @@AlexSavillePhoto
Well after this war is overall the Palestinians will learn to love their children more than death
Is she thinking that the life of the hostages are important than the lives of 10000 innocent children in Gaza? She must be out of her mind. Remember your double standard when it comes to Palestine and ukreine
Nope. Hamas can't stay in power in Gaza. If you care for the lives of the innocents, why don't you call upon Hamas to leave Gaza? Once Hamas is out of Gaza, there will be no war.
@@nattycooper6622 there'd be no Hamas if it wasn't for Israel. For a start they created Hamas. They did so to ensure there would never be peace and they would use that to justify the occupation of Palestine and the attacks on Palestine and the theft of the Palestinians land.
I think she thinks the hostages are human and the Gazans are not. Much like the IDF and many Israelis.
@@nattycooper6622Okay. Ask yourself why they're there to start with. What's empowered them.
@@django3422 The Palestinians rejected The Two-State solution right from the beginning, attacked the Jews and lost. That's it.
Someone stop these monsters who are aiding and abetting a state out of control!!
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Someone? Who?
Israel supporters melting down after realising that ministers and generals calling for turning gaza into a parking lot on oct 7 and doing so has international consequences. Who would've thought😂😂?
The choice of emoji seems to bring your comment down to the level of Iain Dale.
@@theotheoth 'its not what you said its the way you said it'
@@shreddedguy679He's still right though.
Hamas only gilty in everything ! They started , not us👹🤮
And Hamas walks away Scott free ,imagine that Einstein
Dale needs to be taken to court!
What you have to remember with Mr dale ,he changes with the wind .
Why ?
Fair play to Zack Polanski, he was absolutely spot on with his comments. The Israeli government claims (wrongly) to speak for all Jews, but regardless of background anyone with a shred of decency can see their actions are totally inexcusable.
Lie, majority support IDF.
And kudos to groups like Jewish Voices For Peace, for standing against that claim.
They only speak for Zionists. Jews and Zionists are not necessarily the same.
Zionism isn't even a religious belief. In reality, the leaders of the modern Zionist movement that was created in Europe weren't motivated by religion. Many of them were actually secular or agnostic Jews. They saw the Jewish people more as a nation than a religious group. For them, Zionism meant establishing a separate political state for the Jewish nation. Originally Uganda and Argentina was proposed as a homeland for the Zionist before Palestine. *To put things into perspective, in the year 1891 Jewish people owned less than 1% of land in Palestine,* *where as Palestinians owned 99%. In 1947 that number was still at a low, with the Jews owning below 5% of Palestinian land.
and?
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Correct. Theodore Hertz was not a religious Jew at all. He admitted it, yet it was he through his banking friends, The Rothschilds that convinced Lord Balfour and the UK government to hand over Palestine.
It's more a ponzi scheme to make money out of the diaspora and us taxpayers.
@@jmcc2275and?....... Well then FO'f back to Golders Green, New York, Russia etc. and return the land to the indigenous brown people
The MET police are involved because Israel has dual nationals in the IDF who have travelled from Britain, called up as reservists.
They are now involved in a claim of war crimes and therefore under international law have to be questioned up on arriving back into the UK.
Britain seemed to have a problem with British war tourists fighters returning from Syria.
Yet suddenly its ok if its Israel, a country that has consistently broken international law and UN mandates for decades.
Israel has had its fair amount of terrorists designated as such under international law.
Meir Kahane for example.
One of his supporters is now Netanyahu's national security minister..
A slight difference in that in Syria they were mostly after the people doing the beheading from Isis etc.
Where as IDF is attacking Hamas who were the beheaders.
So it's pretty murky water to navigate.
But either way Israel needs to get this wrapped up asap so it can come to some sort of resolution.
Enough people have died.
The "horrific attacks by Hamas" are pre-dated by years of killing of civilians, including the clear targeting of teenagers by IDF snipers, and years of "occupation forces" operations, with impunity, in Gaza, and years of indiscriminate bombings.
While Hamas definitely acted as terrorists, many of the acts attributed to them *never occurred* , and some of the "mass executions" occurred during Israeli "rescues", with no accounting of how many Israelis were killed by " friendly fire"; some of the tales of people supposedly burned alive show evidence of them being hit by helicopter-fired missiles... In short, the netanyahu government spread lies and hyperbole, in order to stir up sympathy for their revenge attacks, attacks far beyond any reasonable proportionality!
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The chosen apologists claim that Israeli 'snipers' are exercising their ethical side when they shoot innocent children and young people in the leg, causing life changing injuries. This kind of 'kindness' has gone on for years.
Killing 1200 is horrific attacks? Israel killed 17k people in Lebanon in 82!
Norman Finkelstein (a Jew) chronicaled their crimes in Gza for decades and continues to fight for justice.
Yep, i can guess on which tictok channels you're getting your info. Just to let you know, everything you have said in your responce is science fiction. I suggest you start looking into the real information and try to draw conclusion from there.
What is happening in gaza is wrong no matter who you support..totally wrong
Bravo to this Jewish gentleman. Only one talking sense
You mean you found someone who agrees with you.
@@divinity176no. He really was the only one talking sense.
@@Thelma7361 It's called 'darchei shalom' He's larping as a peacenik. It's his job to make you feel the way you felt before you read this comment.
Dale still making excuses for Israel.
OH DEAR here she goes, the young lady backing up Israel, brainwashed.
Just like you.
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Dale squirming at the thought.
He’s disgusting and I hate how James tries to downplay his intentions
@@pmntl.f James who?
Dropping flyers , what a joke , telling people to go to a safe zone and then bombing them , are you guys for real , honestly for all the soft talking you are doing , you really need to search your conscience
I wonder why on thoes panels are hardly ever any Palestinian voice,
How can you lie so openly??? IDF is not in Gaza??? All their videos are from the ruins of Gaza!!! 🤦🏼♀️
I hate this absurd attempt at binary options. Do you care about Israel? Well clearly you don't care about Gaza. Do you think war crimes are bad? Well you don't care about Israel!
Here's a valid option, I don't like Netanyahu or his policies. I didn't like them in the past and I still don't. I also don't agree that he should be allowed to commit war crimes. I don't think his current policy is making Israelis safer.
Conversely I don't support Hamas because, in part, I don't like the violent deaths of children. If that holds true for the actions of Hamas why can't I also hold a democratically elected government to those same standards? Why are the deaths of children less tragic when they're state sponsored rather than the actions of terrorists? I, in fact, dislike all violent deaths of children and think ethical governments should try to avoid them at all costs.
There is plenty of space in the middle and people from all different backgrounds have been making that case for months. It's not difficult.
It's the supporters of Netanyahu who want to make this an argument where his actions are "protecting Israel" and dissent is anti-Semitic.
Normal people can despise terrorism, anti-Semitism and war crimes all at once. It's not a difficult position to have, but the media likes to treat people with those beliefs with incredulity. As if it's so unbelievable that if they just ask enough questions you'll find out no one really feels that way. I suppose that way they can go back to ignoring war crimes because anyone who disagrees with war crimes is immoral so they don't really count as war crimes? Honestly I still don't understand how that's supposed to work but I've seen "oh you say you think Israel might be committing war crimes well that makes you the real villains!!" to assume there's some reason for it.
Well said.
Bravo👏🏾
Exactly!!
Ah ,you misunderstood all this ,it’s a game of political football. You pick one side and stick to it ,depending on on political persuasion etc,etc. well said though. 👏🏻
Thank you South Africa 🇿🇦!
Propaganda and incitment to crimes against humanity is also deemed as complicity to the act. Food for thought for these corrupted journalists and politicians
Inciting who ?
The people with the guns and bombs one would assume. Namely the IDF
@jmcc2275 you know!!!
4:39 1 hostage has been rescued by military action and at least 3 hostages have been k illed by the IDF. The military action has been detrimental to hostages. Over 130 have been released through prisoner exchanges brokered by Qatar.
Edit : people have said maybe the exchanges only happened because of military action, this is incorrect for the simple fact Hamas has refused to release more hostages because of the military action.
Prisoner exchanges are bs you release our civilians we will release your fighters f that. Why is it everyone says their country doesn’t and shouldn’t negotiate with terrorists but they expect Israel to?
Would the exchange have happened if there was no military pressure?
Only because Hamas was put under military pressure.
Those who say the Israeli response is disproportionate never say what they would regard as proportionate.
@@davidcooks2379Yes. Hamas said they want to release them in the first week, lloooonng before the invasion. They said the capturing of civilians isn’t what we are after, if there are conditions conducive of collecting and letting them go, we will do that with no conditions other than the secure environment to release them. That was in the first week. The military “pressure” did not work. How would you claim it is the reason they did the exchange while they, now, refuse to even discuss the negotiations before the fighting is stopped. That is their request since more than a month and they haven’t budge and doesn’t seem that they will because they feel comfortable militarily against the IDF. The pressure the IDF put did not do anything to the hostage situation except make it 10 folds worse
Kate should watch some of the footage filmed by IDF soldiers of their own actions, or any of the speeches, made by Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich or Hotevely, that shows all anyone needs to know about how far things have broken down in Israel.
4:44 the IDF has killed more hostages than Hamas
What exactly happens if the ICJ indeed rules against Israel ?
I mean, what can they do that the UN’s Security Council, it’s General Assembly, Red Cross, Amnesty International, UNICEF etc etc with their countless Requests, Resolutions , Condemnations, Assertions and other things like that, haven’t been able to do ?
It has no enforcement mechanism, and certain countries like the US and Russia have ignored its rulings before. But even symbolically, or in terms of optics, it can have ramifications. Certain countries can choose to take actions in the form of diplomatic, economic, or other forms of sanctions, and point to the ruling as their basis for doing so. Even organizations that wishes to say bring forward other related cases against Izrael can point to the rulings of this court.
All of these are simply potential ramifications though. It always comes down to whether anyone will act on it.
@@ChrisAlbertH47 They will not rule against Israel because they know Israel will ignore them, Right now the Zionists can't stop the fighting and can't destroy Hamas, because they know if they do stop or destroy Hamas the whole world is united in calling for a two-state solution and are waiting for the war to stop, this is the reason the Zionists are talking of a long war and hoping for a miracle to happen so the world changes, the Zionists definitely don't want to give up the territories they hold,
UN Sanctions might help but this country and the US would probably abstain.
It obligates all nations who have signed the agreement to sanction and divest from Israel. The Israelis know this, which is why they are there desperately trying to defend themselves, and they have even gone to all foreign embassies in Israel to pressure their diplomats to make public statements in defense of Israel to influence the court’s decision
@@rocioguillen2995Israel will get away with every crime committed in GAZA. UK, USA and most of Europe will protect their fellow men.
What a hopeless host!
I do hope -- for your own health's sake -- that you didn't listen to any of his LBC phone-in shows, especially for the first couple of months after Oct 7th. Compared to then, he's become quite a moderate genocidist.
Ian dale knows full well that the Met police are obliged by law to investigate.
Hanlon's Razor
Why ? What has Gaza got to do with The Metropolitan Police ? The last time I checked, London was in England.
Why ? What has Gaza got to do with The Metropolitan Police ? The last time I checked, London was in England.
@@peterkenyon3578 because it's standard practice for ICJ cases. Use Google to find a more detailed answer.
@@peterkenyon3578 The UK is a signatory to the criminal Court of Justice. Police Forces around the world will be doing the same. The Metropolitan police are also investigating allegations in Ukraine and other places. Ian Dale knows this but he wants people like you to get angry.
The protesters were jewish and Palestinian supporters calling for ceasefire how is that antisemitic
Why didn’t they call on Hamas to surrender thereby creating a permanent cease fire?
@@jmcc2275same reason people aren't calling for Israel to surrender
@@jmcc2275A lack of Hamas hasn't stopped Israeli attacks on the West Bank.
Kate needs to have a conversation with Norman Finkelstein. It will help to develop her … she sounds smart …her content is shocking
Who’s the AIPAC rep ??
Dale's got his boomer hanging out again.
Great to see the Palestinian and South African voices on this. 1* journalism.
I would hate for these 2 to be my mother
A lot of war crime and atrocity deniers and apologists in this panel.
The court isn’t supposed to be judging individuals in this hearing, it’s about the behaviour / policies of a warring country
Exactly, only States can be parties before the ICJ.
And the ICC can actually prosecute, the ICJ can only make statements and recommendations, which any UNSC member can veto. We all know who will.
But the world will know.
What relevance does Kate Andrews have to anything?
…or you even.
@@jmcc2275That would be covered under "anything".
This whole show is a JOKE. The agressor is the victim and the agressed is the terrorist. Shame on you, shame on you, shame on you ! 🤮🤮🤮
Know your history kid.. the entire population are NOT hamas so Israels destruction of PALASTINE is unjust! Seriously kid just do some basic historic research on this conflict before you go around calling people terrorists and making 🤮 emojis like a 7 y/o!
This kid lack common knowledge of history and fact😢
Imagine YOU.. yes yourself.. were a innocent family living in PALASTINE and this destruction was going on around you im sure you would have a different opinion
@adgepeterb They can't imagine that because that involves EMPATHY.
I'm not entirely sure but I think people might be getting the wrong end of the stick here. Care to confirm, mallallen?
Calling people for telephone? They cut the energy 90+ days ago. Showme a smartphones with 100+ days of battery.
Kate Andrews is spouting absolute nonsense
So, breaking international LAW isn't a CRIME 💀🙄
Jesus wept... 👀
Depends who broke the law. It only applies to those that are expected to follow and do as they are told.
Christian?
South Africa is not going to play games with Israel at the International Court 🤣 We have vast experience dealing with apartheid governments, more than 100 years of experience.
Bravo for standing up to Nazis 👊
Colonial settlers cannot claim self defense on somebody else's land
What the British police should be doing is finding out if any British Jewish people who are coming back from Israel if they had joined the IDF while they were there.
And?
…and who supports Hamas.
I don’t think there’s any rules against joint citizens joining the IDF.
@@TheAArmstrong There is. The FEA 1870 prohibits UK nationals from enlisting in the military or navy of any foreign state at war with a “friendly state”.
@@ghostx3321 Is Gaza considered a friendly state?? Or even a state?? They did sweet FA for the hundreds of returning ISIS fighters so I doubt it will be a priority. Just lip service to keep the mobs at bay. Nothing will happen.
Dale has a genocidal mind
These women insult the intelligence of people, Israel is obviously commiting war crimes , lets not do semantics, tell the listeners the truth
“ obviously “ 😂🤦🏻♂️
The way to a person’s heart is through peace. Israel has had a cold heart for MANY years and it has gradually gotten worse.
They didn’t like it when Zack spoke the the truth.
Thank you, Zack Polanski, you're a credit to the Green Party.
Lost me at Kate Andrews.
I’m sorry but so sick of this bull. Both politicians and media companies, including LBC work alongside lawyers. You have absolutely zero excuse months after this siege began to be still leaning on the excuse the you are not a lawyer, and nobody should be saying we shouldn’t be discussing whether Israel’s actions could constitute war crimes. International law on this is already written. The truth is you have all consulted with lawyers on this and the advice they have given you if you don’t want to be honest and call Isreal out is to feign ignorance of the law, the equivalent of no comment. But you know. You all know that Isreal is almost certainly beyond a shadow of a doubt committing war crimes. We have all seen the evidence for months on end and you are still here gaslighting the public over it. Bring an expert on international law on to your show and ask them. I dare you. And the fact that Starmer who is an expert on law cannot bring himself to answer basic questions over is nothing short of a pure disgrace.
Kate Andrews’ logic comes straight from a McDonald’s toilet.
Where is the questioning of how is the UK government reflecting the views and wishes of the UK population, most of which are horrified by the destruction ongoing in Gaza and want a ceasefire and much more firm and decent adherence to international law.
The British people are being treated as plebs whose views do not matter .
The horrific near-recent history of the Jewish people and the terrible October 1300 massacre in Israel do not “ok” the siege on the Gaza population still without basic supplies and water, the destruction of their hospital provision , the massacre of civilians, the maiming of thousands of children being put in the situation of amputation without anaesthesia and the destruction of Gaza.
The number was 1188 of which royghly 462 were soldiers. Its also been admitted that the IDF itself killed civilians that day.
In a war innocent people can be killed but in this war it is only the palestian people that being killed not Jewish people in this war is in Palestina that hospitals mosque and churches and building houses are being bommed not in Israël its the palestian people that forced leave their home and go to the south not Jewish people and still saying that this is a war is injustice
K. Andrews - was totally wrong on this one. The case was not symbolic at all, the trial of the case may take years, but if the court finds, in the weeks that will be taken to consider the case, that the case has substance and will be heard by the court. The ICJ can issue a statement that should stop Isreal from further action in Gaza - a seize fire. Though the ICJ can not force Isreal do what it says, it can definitely deter it and put pressure on Isreal.
Why is it odd if the police want to know if any British Idf fighters have committed crimes in Palestine . As we have seen many videos of them doing so .
It is a little disappointing to not hear a response from the pro-Israel speakers on the panel to Zachs words.
Mostly because I'm not sure how they would respond without being able to call the person they disagree with a anti-Semite
3:35 by the way what Dale finds extraordinary, is something that has been going on for people from Ukraine for 2 years. The point of what the police are doing is in cooperation with the international court, so that body of evidence can be accumulated. I'm not sure why Dale cares if Isreal has done nothing then this case will be open and shut, if they have and especially when it is as serious as this I'm sure he would be glad that the British police are gathering evidence.
The narrative of israel defending itself is regurgitated cow 💩. Modern warfare is utter cowardice go in a open field and fight with honour.
Its ex colonialist supporting the current colonialist in Israel
5:01 Respectfully, *23 000* & counting are not getting your phone calls
I'm so done with LBC...
I WOULD NOT WANT THE IDF TO RESCUE ME...... SEND ME SOMEONE ELSE.....
Iain is truly a despicable person
Not that great yourself.
@@jmcc2275 thanks girlie 💕
@@jmcc2275There's a term for what you're doing, it's "flailing".
Not surprising this racism from these colonialists. It is in their DNA. They are first off the blocks in crying foul if its some country they are after. Here they are squirming, hemming and hawing in this case...which is clear as daylight to the whole world as to what is going on in Gaza.
Another one…” the whole world “…..🤦🏻♂️
The irony of your racism
That's not how DNA works.
Typical Iane Dale show, stacking the show with mostly Tory Apartheid Apologists.
Has anyone on this channel had their legs amputated without an anaesthetic ?
Ian Dale, you show which side to stand with, shame on you
The TRUTH is on the side of the Palestinians.
These programmes are ridiculous. Most of the panellists repeat rumour and speculation as truth. As Dale points out they don't understand the difference between international law and war crimes and they make sweeping statements which he then has to correct with evidence. Can we get some real experts on these panels?
First few word “ most people “ …..lol.
New covers for israel propoganda..
As usual it's a very white conversation, from a privileged point of view. With very little understanding of other cultures. Or the actual topic, tbh. The gentleman at the end is only reasonable voice.
Maybe you don’t understand ours either ,if so,why watch this?
@@jmcc2275 ours?
This woman is an absolute joke. Kate and B Stowel please stop talking. You’re embarrassing now
Listened to this woman whilst driving and I feel she’s a danger to motorists! 💤💤💤
What about the Amalak call by Netanyahu.
The Met police did the same for Ukraine! Ian Dale you biased lump, James O Brien, your colleague cleared that up a few days ago in his show!
Dale is a disgrace
It is was crime and there are instances of genocidail intent.
what Ian Dale failed to clarify was that Netanyahu did not admonish the guy for the intention of nuking Gaza but that by saying it he acknowledged that Israel has nuclear weapons which they have always denied.
If you're pro-palestinians just vote for the Green Party.
How can we forget thousands of Indians were burned by Britain.
Lol find some shame Britain for once in your existence
Just when we all thought journalism was in the gutter, we have this reporter to thank, keep up the "hard work"
You're being sarcastic right?
@@FreshtexBlackman yesssss
Message to Anne FRANK
Anne, reading your diary, I felt your suffering and I cried. Very young, I did not understand how humans could commit so many atrocities.
Today, it is happening again, other children, from another community, are hungry, thirsty, deprived of care, continuously bombarded. They are hunted from camp to camp like game. The bodies of all these torn, disfigured kids lie under the stones and dust of their land.
From the Auschwitz camp to the Gaza camp, no difference: we exterminate methodically and coldly.
There was your newspaper to tell the horror, now there is the image to show the face of hatred.
Anne, like you, they took their lives.
Z.M
Since when were you concerned about Anne Frank?
@@jmcc2275 Here he is again, you cant handle the truth.
appaling how we still are asking IF there are crimes here.
Met Police were asking the same question to those coming from Ukraine. So not total extraordinary.
Oh you are very mistaken, South Africa is not just trying to move a point.
The met police have the legal obligation to probide all details of any war crimes reported to it. There are mutiple UK charities and individuals involved in sending our citizens to illegally occupied territories to join the occupation forces and vreak International law. Did we not think this would catch up to us.
They’re investigating Hamas too?
That's not worth the paper it's written on, if not corraborated by evidence. And how are they going to get it from London?
Zack Polanski is just and outright realistic about what's happening in Gaza. Unlike the young lady and the third lady, they are biased and agreeable to the host because he doesn't interupt them when they talk, but only interupt the first lady and Zack. Ultimately it doesn't help to host a discussion about this knowing already that you are biased as a host because you are not going to adjudicate the discussion in a fair manner.
The fact that BBC decided not to show any of the footage where South Africa bring their case and only the footage of Israel's defence says a lot. Also, the footage from so many other demo's aren't available on BBC iplayer. Since when is it a broadcaster's decision whether or to be biased to one side. Present the facts. That's your duty.
(Edited to correct typo)
The Met police have to do what they are doing because the UK is one of the 5 permanent members of the UN. Those second and third women are actually a mouthpiece of Israel. The met police are required to investigate as one of the main countries it's their responsibility under international law. The UK public should applaud that their given that importance on the world stage.
Just pathetic rhetoric from these two women. Free Gaza.
Free Free Palestine❤❤❤❤❤🇪🇭🇪🇭🇪🇭🇪🇭🇪🇭
“Most people in Britain feel” guess what what Britain thinks doesn’t matter anymore.
so the refugees are arriving back after a paid UK holiday 🤔