G Nelson That’s funny you say that because the Germans actually had a very low supply of rubber and oil they didn’t even have enough to fill their vehicles.. and there was duck taped back then the United States military used to have a ton of green ducted tape
Germany at war. Army: "We have a problem." Industry: "Alright, here is a solution." Army: "...this did not solve my problem at all." Industry: "Maybe, but check out the quality of the machining!"
I thought it was very stupid that the US Army did not equip their soldiers in the Korean War with German assault rifles. They were lying around en masse in Germany. The STG 44 would have been a lifesaver
@@ad220588 U forget the korean war was only 5 years after ww2. A german weapon use after ww2 as a American solider would be a scandal. Sry because my english. Ich weiß nicht ob du Deutsch kannst, aber wir waren halt die besiegten. Ihr stolz war einfach nur zu groß. Gottseidank meiner Meinung nach. Wenn sie das STG 44 kopiert hätten wäre es nichts besonderes mehr gewesen. Bsp ak47. Und Mauser wurde ja nach dem zweiten weltkrieg aufgelöst viele gingen danach nach h&k. H&k darauf hin Verbesserte das STG 44 daraus entstand ja auch letzten Endes das g3 + mp5 und daraus das g36, welche hochangesehene Waffen sind. Die ganze Debatte dass das G36 schlecht schießen soll finde ich sowieso unsinnig.
@@ad220588 Nobody making spare parts and 8x33mm ammo would make that a poor idea at best. The best course of action would have been getting rid of .30 caliber supremacism, adopting Enfield's EM-2 and pressing it into service ASAP.
@@ad220588 Maybe, but a lot of Korean War vets were also WW2 vets, and i dont think theyd be thrilled being issues Nazi-made weaponry that murdered millions of their brothers in arms. Adopting an assault rifle at that point may have been a good idea though.
These old guns were so much more creative and quirky than modern firearms. Forgotten Weapons 2050 gonna be like, "I'm Ian, here's another AR-pistol from 2019."
@@AldanFerrox Yeah probably. Tbh. I think that the second amendment in the US is destroying gun culture. If availability were lower, prices would be higher and good developers could actually do stuff instead of pumping out yet another AR clone because the system is dirt cheap.
There's a few places that run classy "cowboy" gun comps and the only guns allowed are limited to a certain range of velocities to bring them down to 1800's levels of effectiveness. So you see a lot of people hand loading rounds for single actions, and modifying parts and purchasing different rifling to meet different accuracy standards from over a hundred years ago. Just as well, a limited culture doesn't necessarily mean more interesting designs. We live in the age of plateaued design, and information. There are loads of nations where the populace doesn't have any real gun rights and the last weapon produced that could be considered unique is just another bullpup with the parts in different places or an amalgalm of different pre-existing designs.
Problem: SMGs need more ammo per. Russians: Tapes two mags together. Americans: Issues more SMGs. Brits: Makes mags cheaper/gun fire slower. Germans: Builds this
The Russians just built more subguns to give to the human wave troops. The American pretty much stayed with what was had. The Germans? The designed an entirely new class of firearm to largely replace the subgun.
@@grahamlopez6202 It's "die" in Plural, always. "Pille" just so happens to require it in singular as well (and for compound nouns the gender always is that of the last word).
When you take a second to think about it, these firearms from WW2 that are still so contemporary in our minds and in some cases like this one, looking brand new, are actuallly almost 80 years old. Of all the way tech, small arms are the ones that never saw that super fast paced evolution, unlike vehicles, aircrafts, comms, armour, optics, etc. It's amazing.
@@Antigonus. I got plenty of downvotes on Steam by saying RO 1 was superior to RO 2. RO 2 came out with so many corridor shooting-like maps. Tanks don't really play much of a role in combined arms combat. Damn shame :/
@@Antigonus. my only 2 issues with 1 were how slow you are and how it felt sluggish. RO2 should have had usable Paks and Panzerfausts like its predecessor.
too bad it doesn't work like it would in real life. you'd have a slight delay after 32 to swap to the next mag and have a longer reload at the end. still cool that they actually modelled it correctly tho
i cannot see that swapping mags as normal takes anymore time than this complicated maneuver!as many here have said taping two together was just as effective! instead of all this engineering to no real purpose it never occured to them to make a double feed magazine.
@@mikekemp9877 I don't either, I just said this as a joke because they literally had numerous options to go with: drum mags of various sizes, extended clips (to an extent), mags taped together or an impractical contraption that adds complexity that isn't needed. Despite the flaws & drawbacks you'd think a drum mag would have been the 1st choice after all the ppsh had one & German engendering was surely able to make a relatively reliable drum mag so this contraption seems completely unnecessary but it would make for a unique attachment for a WW2 shooter game like battlefield or Call of Duty
Yeah this seems kind of like a magazine cutoff semi-solution similar to how bolt-actions were used before. Then as a backup you had the second one already loaded in the gun.
Engineers: "What do you need to be more effective on the battlefield?" Soldiers around the world, through history of mankind regardless of nationality and borders: "MOAR DAKKA!"
One day ill have the disposable income to be able to afford something this cool and rare. Till then, I continue to live vicariously through Ian's videos.
...though in game it was treated just as a large 64 round mag, not 2 32 round mags. You reload after firing 64 rounds, not 32, swap to the other mag and continue firing, and then reload both. Shame, would be a way to nerf it in multiplayer.
Well, that’s not exactly true. There’s no such vowel as “Э” in English alphabet, which is kinda deep “E” from the word “ten”, so it still doesn’t sound exactly right 😁 We pronounce it as PэРэSha lol.
Or just copy the Lanchesters' 50 round stick mag, problem is do the Germans even know that exists and happen to steal enough copies of it to be... Well, copied?
2:38 Fun Fact: The German Pronunciation of the "stein" in Frankenstein actually more closely resembles the first (English) version than the second version. Also your pronunciation of "Franken", was almost correct, good job.
We need more ammo per reload on our smg’s. Everybody else: drum mags or longer stick mags Germans: but what if we massively over engineer this instead...
IMO, this is under-engineered. If they would've made some funky bolt that would intermittently take a bullet out of two magazines, then this would've been fantastic. None of the problems with drum magazines, nor the issues with massively long stick mags. This looks like the manufacturer didn't want to waste the time of any of their engineers, so they asked the janitor to just throw something together.
@@jakobholgersson4400 It's over engineered because this entire system boils down to having two mags that you switch between and it's much easier to either tape or clip two mags together.
Instead of designing & engineering a drum mag, let’s just change all the receivers out the accept a glorified coupler.... still an extremely interesting piece of history. You guys never cease to amaze me with the unicorns you have on the channel Ian, thanks brother....
The idea is beautiful, it's like a garand clip writ large. You could so easily expand that bolt to slide more mags across and even kick out when empty, hence the garand reference. Good show, love the engineering focus and functional walkthroughs.
Engineers: We made it so you can remove the mag housing from the gun. Germans: Why one would do this? Engineers: I don't know. - A few years later - Germans: We need larger mags in our SMG Engineers: Hold my bier
Faster than reloading, fast switch for magazines, and when you have a malfunction with a drum mag (they could use instead) easy to solve just change mag row. I like this.
I always saw the larger magwell in older CoD games and wondered what they based that off of! Cool that it's not entirely imagined even if it's not really an extended magazine
No matter your opinion on the concept, you have to admit that is a beautiful steampunk looking creation. The colours of the metal, the grooves and curves. It just looks like it's from Bioshock or some fan art.
I do like your videos as I can always learn something. To reduce reload time, I have a 1911 45 acp, 5 7 round magazines, 2 10 round magazines. I keep 4 loaded 7 round magazines in my back left pocket, and one in my handgun. Pulling a loaded magazine from my back pocket is pretty easy to do. After emptying a magazine, the slide locks back, and it doesn't take but a few seconds to hit the mag release, insert a loaded on, drop the slide release and get back to firing.
I'd love to see a mag change on the clock vs a standard mp40. I kind of doubt this saved much if any time. Especially if you continue the timer to a third magazine.
What about taking 4 slides, and 8 magazines? Put 3 slides in an open pouch, shoot Nr 1 and 2, pull slide out off gun, grab new slide out off pouch and insert. Ready.
As a Canadian, owning an MP40 is the absolute highlight of my gun collection. Now if only I could get my hands on a PPSH-41.. much more difficult seemingly.
my (german) Mind went immediately to how you can improve this and make a sort of "addon" Mag holder piece with a spacer inbetween, that keeps 2 mags together at the perfect distance, so you can still use the normal mp40 magazines and reload them the same way by taking them out and putting another double stack back in again basicaly reload 2 mags at the same time edit: maybe even with a latch, that can be used to press both mag release buttons at the same time
"The Germans thought the Soviets had better SMGs, the Soviets though the Germans had better SMGs." Fellas, we can reach an agreement: the Finnish had the best SMGs
Sorry if this is really obvious and I'm missing something. At 7:05/7:06 Ian says there are no markings that show this is an MP40/I. Yet at the same time the serial number is showing with an I on it. Its a different style of I between the magazine housing adn the rest of the weapon, looks like it was added later to the original MP40. At 4:36 you can just make out the serial number on the single mag MP40 and there is no I showing on that. So am I being really silly adn missing somethign obvious, or has the MP40/I actually got the I marking to show it's an I? Hope that makes sense to you all.
As a soldier, I would appreciate the fact that I can switch to the 2nd mag, then replace the empty one when Im able, without ever having to put the weapon in a vulnerable state. Vs just have a 70 round drum mag.
Hi Ian, you showcased this (or) a similar one years ago. My question is: Is this MP40 config "common" or a sort of prototype stage of a MP40 that never was?
In my readings on German tanks of WWII there was mention of using the radio operator’s MP 40 through a small opening in the glacis plate. The first versions did not have a ‘proper’ ball mount for a MG34. This might of been useful for that gunner. The advantage would be the use of standard magazines instead of a unique one. If the bow gunner/radio operator had to dismount, he could use his MP40 with one magazine just like any other soldier. The ridge of metal under the barrel was there to prevent the gun recoiling back into the tank(really bad things would happen then) when fired through the opening in the armor. All my armor books are still packed so I can’t verify this or which model of the Panther tank needed this. All later versions of the tank had a proper ball mount and MG34.
You don't see many drum mags in the real world sadly. They're much less reliable than stick mags, far costlier to produce, take longer to 'bomb up, are harder to store in traditional webbing and are far more complex leading to more things that can break
I think if there was ever doctrine produced for this, you'd basically keep a reserve magazine for emergencies and otherwise operate and load it one at a time like a regular MP40.
The ability to keep your weapon loaded and ready while changing the second mag would have huge advantages in certain situations, even if little benefit normally, it’s a shame they didn’t use a Side load system for the back up mag though
Life before duct tape required a whole lot of engineering.
Except there was duct tape during this time, they just didn't think to use it for more than just sealing boxes.
other tapes were available...
G Nelson That’s funny you say that because the Germans actually had a very low supply of rubber and oil they didn’t even have enough to fill their vehicles.. and there was duck taped back then the United States military used to have a ton of green ducted tape
@@JohnSmith-wo2qp well that got real dark real fast
@@JohnSmith-wo2qp Thanks, I hate that image.
Germany at war.
Army: "We have a problem."
Industry: "Alright, here is a solution."
Army: "...this did not solve my problem at all."
Industry: "Maybe, but check out the quality of the machining!"
I thought it was very stupid that the US Army did not equip their soldiers in the Korean War with German assault rifles. They were lying around en masse in Germany. The STG 44 would have been a lifesaver
@@ad220588 U forget the korean war was only 5 years after ww2.
A german weapon use after ww2 as a American solider would be a scandal.
Sry because my english.
Ich weiß nicht ob du Deutsch kannst, aber wir waren halt die besiegten. Ihr stolz war einfach nur zu groß. Gottseidank meiner Meinung nach.
Wenn sie das STG 44 kopiert hätten wäre es nichts besonderes mehr gewesen. Bsp ak47.
Und Mauser wurde ja nach dem zweiten weltkrieg aufgelöst viele gingen danach nach h&k. H&k darauf hin Verbesserte das STG 44 daraus entstand ja auch letzten Endes das g3 + mp5 und daraus das g36, welche hochangesehene Waffen sind. Die ganze Debatte dass das G36 schlecht schießen soll finde ich sowieso unsinnig.
F.B.I. So the American military would probably have been pretty painless in using German „Firepower“
@@ad220588 Nobody making spare parts and 8x33mm ammo would make that a poor idea at best. The best course of action would have been getting rid of .30 caliber supremacism, adopting Enfield's EM-2 and pressing it into service ASAP.
@@ad220588 Maybe, but a lot of Korean War vets were also WW2 vets, and i dont think theyd be thrilled being issues Nazi-made weaponry that murdered millions of their brothers in arms. Adopting an assault rifle at that point may have been a good idea though.
These old guns were so much more creative and quirky than modern firearms. Forgotten Weapons 2050 gonna be like, "I'm Ian, here's another AR-pistol from 2019."
There are many interesting firearms out there nowadays, but they all get drowned in yet another AR-15 ripoff.
Ian jr.
@@Ruhrpottpatriot Future Ian will probably review guns like the Hudson pistol or the the SilencerCo Maxim 9.
@@AldanFerrox Yeah probably. Tbh. I think that the second amendment in the US is destroying gun culture. If availability were lower, prices would be higher and good developers could actually do stuff instead of pumping out yet another AR clone because the system is dirt cheap.
There's a few places that run classy "cowboy" gun comps and the only guns allowed are limited to a certain range of velocities to bring them down to 1800's levels of effectiveness.
So you see a lot of people hand loading rounds for single actions, and modifying parts and purchasing different rifling to meet different accuracy standards from over a hundred years ago.
Just as well, a limited culture doesn't necessarily mean more interesting designs. We live in the age of plateaued design, and information. There are loads of nations where the populace doesn't have any real gun rights and the last weapon produced that could be considered unique is just another bullpup with the parts in different places or an amalgalm of different pre-existing designs.
They call it
*MP80*
😂💕 lol best one yet.
Sheeet. Mp64....😑🙄
uranus is mine no
a squad carrying these is called an mp320
XenuVelo QUICK HANS CALL IN THE 320th
Leave it to the Germans to over-engineer an alternative to duct-taping a couple of mags together...
That's exactly what I was thinking.
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc At least we don't vote Trump!
Classic German design
Back then duck tape existed?
Nothing about this is over-engineered - this is a totally simple and trivial implementation, with clear benefits over taping 2 mags together.
Problem: SMGs need more ammo per.
Russians: Tapes two mags together.
Americans: Issues more SMGs.
Brits: Makes mags cheaper/gun fire slower.
Germans: Builds this
The Russians just built more subguns to give to the human wave troops. The American pretty much stayed with what was had. The Germans? The designed an entirely new class of firearm to largely replace the subgun.
japanese: put bajonettes on SMGs
@@scumroyalsgaming I am pretty sure the japanese during wwii would have added a bayonet to anything including a grenade if they could
"Germans could have won WW2 with just this 1 trick!"
Charles Adams the Russians built the best sub gun during the war, no need to switch things up
Everyone else: it is over-engineered.
Germans: how do you mean OVER engineered?
Germans: we like to call it ÜBER engineerd
It is under-engineered. They modified the lower part of the gun... ok, I'll see myself out.
If as Ian suggests there is a genuine risk of bending at the mag well then it is under engineered, just over designed.
darko djogo - Everybody but the Swiss. To them that is minimalistic.
@ yup, for CH it"s rude, crude and underengineered, pure improvisation.
Always interesting to hear about weapons used by Pixelated Germany.
Well if people see a swaztika they'll explode
Oh wait nothing will happen
Yeah I caught that and it pissed me off. Its part of history people.
@@lancekilkenny721 but history will trigger emotionally weak snowflakes though...🙄
Yeah the graphics weren't as advanced back then so everything looked like that.
Erma Engineer: "I was going to go about designing a usable drum magazine for the MP40, but then the panzershockolade kicked in..."
i can't believe they actually named meth as tank chocolate. and i thought schokakola was strong stuff.
Der stukapillen
Blitzchokolade
@@grahamlopez6202
It's "die" in Plural, always. "Pille" just so happens to require it in singular as well (and for compound nouns the gender always is that of the last word).
@@klobiforpresident2254 plural? What, do you think I'm a man MADE of amphetamines?! You get one.
When you take a second to think about it, these firearms from WW2 that are still so contemporary in our minds and in some cases like this one, looking brand new, are actuallly almost 80 years old. Of all the way tech, small arms are the ones that never saw that super fast paced evolution, unlike vehicles, aircrafts, comms, armour, optics, etc. It's amazing.
"You should try double-feed magazines, they're much more user-friendly"
"Double magazine it is then"
"Close enough"
A bigger or a drum magazine would have solved the problem.
Red Orchestra 2 upgrade
Now if they could just upgrade the entire game to be as good as 1...
Oh I didn't remember wrong so, very nice
@@Antigonus. I got plenty of downvotes on Steam by saying RO 1 was superior to RO 2. RO 2 came out with so many corridor shooting-like maps. Tanks don't really play much of a role in combined arms combat. Damn shame :/
Your comment beat me to it hahaha
@@Antigonus. my only 2 issues with 1 were how slow you are and how it felt sluggish. RO2 should have had usable Paks and Panzerfausts like its predecessor.
Gee MP-40, how come your army lets you have 2 magazines?
MP-40 magazines are straight, never curved! Always separated, never in drums!
Connor McLernon Duct tape is not avievible to germans in ww2
World at War MP40 dual mag 😳
I can respect the hell out of Treyarch for actually putting research into this
Red Orchestra 2 were first, one of THE BEST WW2 games I've ever played.
PTSD simulator 2 would be a more appropriate name.
too bad it doesn't work like it would in real life. you'd have a slight delay after 32 to swap to the next mag and have a longer reload at the end. still cool that they actually modelled it correctly tho
My brain: “why not make it double-barrelled while we’re at it?”
That would be bad ass! I want one of those double barrel ARs! 😀
Josh Glover lol, mp 40 is an smg
@@nicholasholloway8743 Yes I understand that. I was talking about 2 different things.
Josh Glover
We’re talking about SMGs
There is a double barreled AK-47. It is glorious
“Hey fam we need more ammo per MP40”
“Maybe a drum mag?”
*exec ripping a line of coke* “Fuck it let’s just add another magazine”
"It's a great sort of video game thing," said Ian, as I booted up Red Orchestra 2 to play with the MP40/I
I remember learning about this variant while in middle school… I had more free time then I needed
Where did you go to school? A military school?
Than*. That's why you had so much free time.
mortimer snerd Ian V. Hogg’s book?
george spear The C. B. Colby books? I loved those.
Russia * has drum mags *
Germany: "we need more ammo!"
Mad scientist: "WHAT IF WE PUT 2 MAGS TOGETHER!"
Germany: *"we'll take it!"*
"You know those MP40s that are like, double MP40s, you know?"
It was too early to manufacture a triple or quad-staked magazine.
@@alvaroasi too early or too ambitious?
i cannot see that swapping mags as normal takes anymore time than this complicated maneuver!as many here have said taping two together was just as effective! instead of all this engineering to no real purpose it never occured to them to make a double feed magazine.
@@mikekemp9877 I don't either, I just said this as a joke because they literally had numerous options to go with: drum mags of various sizes, extended clips (to an extent), mags taped together or an impractical contraption that adds complexity that isn't needed. Despite the flaws & drawbacks you'd think a drum mag would have been the 1st choice after all the ppsh had one & German engendering was surely able to make a relatively reliable drum mag so this contraption seems completely unnecessary but it would make for a unique attachment for a WW2 shooter game like battlefield or Call of Duty
"A video game thing"
How dare you attack me so personally....
...
Red orchestra 2 was awesome.
TherealTenman ‘83 is gonna kick ass
Red Orchestra 2 is still awesome.
Hmm, played redorchestra for a long time and second mag was 90% always used in intense moments as a backup.
Yep, when you have time you can just reload one of them. That's not the point tho, I guess added weight and clumsiness are more important
Yeah this seems kind of like a magazine cutoff semi-solution similar to how bolt-actions were used before. Then as a backup you had the second one already loaded in the gun.
And who says the Germans don't have a sense of humor?
"HANZ! I hav run out of ze ammo!"
"Slide ze magazine Franz."
"Oh ja, I'm guud now."
Had the US Army used STG 44 assault rifles from Hanz during the Korean War, then Joe would have survived the war there. ;)
Engineers: "What do you need to be more effective on the battlefield?"
Soldiers around the world, through history of mankind regardless of nationality and borders: "MOAR DAKKA!"
When the next match is on Dome
But the PPSh is better
add stopping power and victory is assured
@@justinkrieger1559 Real SS Honor Guards use Double Tap
One day ill have the disposable income to be able to afford something this cool and rare. Till then, I continue to live vicariously through Ian's videos.
Does it come free with the juggernaut perk?
Wehrmacht: How heavy will these new smgs be?
(Probably) Erma: Yes
SJOAK 408 underrated comment
Oh dear god this thing.
Damn I’ve seen this before on Call of Duty world at war, was a beast
I've never met the MP-40/I in w@w
...though in game it was treated just as a large 64 round mag, not 2 32 round mags. You reload after firing 64 rounds, not 32, swap to the other mag and continue firing, and then reload both. Shame, would be a way to nerf it in multiplayer.
@Eye Patch Guy oh. Ok
I love how Ian now says "PePeSha" like a true Russian :o]
Well, that’s not exactly true. There’s no such vowel as “Э” in English alphabet, which is kinda deep “E” from the word “ten”, so it still doesn’t sound exactly right 😁 We pronounce it as PэРэSha lol.
@@yanot80 Знаю, но всё же звучит гораздо ближе к оригиналу, чем ПиПиэСэйч :о]
@@leshatcatski5089 ну да, тут соглы.
WaW MP40 gang where y’all at?
Not actually WAW but Medal of Honor Airborne player reporting in, got my ceremonial bayonets ready
I am german its my gang
In jail where yall belong
I was more of a type 100 guy
@@AtrociousAK47 Why use that when rifle is fine? *Cradles bayoneted Arisaka*
Seems like making a drum mag for the MP40 would have been a much easier solution
They had snail magazine but there was a problem.
Or, you know, duct tape.
Drum mags generally are less reliable, you won't see much use of them in the real world.
Or just copy the Lanchesters' 50 round stick mag, problem is do the Germans even know that exists and happen to steal enough copies of it to be... Well, copied?
@@Enthropical_Thunder They're pretty good, if built by Finns.
I always enjoy seeing instances of the good idea fairy spanning different military's and time. Thank you Ian for continuing to amazing work!
2:38 Fun Fact: The German Pronunciation of the "stein" in Frankenstein actually more closely resembles the first (English) version than the second version. Also your pronunciation of "Franken", was almost correct, good job.
We need more ammo per reload on our smg’s.
Everybody else: drum mags or longer stick mags
Germans: but what if we massively over engineer this instead...
IMO, this is under-engineered. If they would've made some funky bolt that would intermittently take a bullet out of two magazines, then this would've been fantastic. None of the problems with drum magazines, nor the issues with massively long stick mags.
This looks like the manufacturer didn't want to waste the time of any of their engineers, so they asked the janitor to just throw something together.
@@jakobholgersson4400 It's over engineered because this entire system boils down to having two mags that you switch between and it's much easier to either tape or clip two mags together.
D U C T T A P E
Ah yes the best weapon in World at War
Instead of designing & engineering a drum mag, let’s just change all the receivers out the accept a glorified coupler.... still an extremely interesting piece of history.
You guys never cease to amaze me with the unicorns you have on the channel Ian, thanks brother....
I was literally just thinking the other day about when you would have this on the channel and lo and behold
The idea is beautiful, it's like a garand clip writ large. You could so easily expand that bolt to slide more mags across and even kick out when empty, hence the garand reference. Good show, love the engineering focus and functional walkthroughs.
Engineers: We made it so you can remove the mag housing from the gun.
Germans: Why one would do this?
Engineers: I don't know.
- A few years later -
Germans: We need larger mags in our SMG
Engineers: Hold my bier
Ian, I always enjoy your videos. Great knowledge, great writing, great, straight-forward delivery. Thank you.
That's rare, an advert Ian's video!!
This is what I come to this channel for. Weird and cool experiments that you don’t hear about anymore.
I caught the Mel Brooks hint Ian! Bravo
Gives a whole new meaning to "changing mag"
Faster than reloading, fast switch for magazines, and when you have a malfunction with a drum mag (they could use instead) easy to solve just change mag row.
I like this.
I always saw the larger magwell in older CoD games and wondered what they based that off of! Cool that it's not entirely imagined even if it's not really an extended magazine
Reloading the empty magazine after sliding in the new one is effectively just using one magazine.
Unless you have an assistant gunner... 🤔
The extra mag would only be used in an emergency. You'd still load after every 32 shots.
I love these videos about obscure historical weapons and weapons systems.
I'm interested to see how much this fetches at the end.
1. It's a German WW2 weapon
2. A German WW2 experimental weapon
3. It's an NFA transferable MG
No matter your opinion on the concept, you have to admit that is a beautiful steampunk looking creation.
The colours of the metal, the grooves and curves. It just looks like it's from Bioshock or some fan art.
Drum mag: "Am I a joke to you?"
I do like your videos as I can always learn something. To reduce reload time, I have a 1911 45 acp, 5 7 round magazines, 2 10 round magazines. I keep 4 loaded 7 round magazines in my back left pocket, and one in my handgun. Pulling a loaded magazine from my back pocket is pretty easy to do. After emptying a magazine, the slide locks back, and it doesn't take but a few seconds to hit the mag release, insert a loaded on, drop the slide release and get back to firing.
Why didn’t they just quad stack and lengthen the magazines?
you're talking about german engineers. that would be too crude
Imagine modifying this so that you could reload the magazine not in use with a stripper clip and operating it like a crew served heavy machine gun
I'd love to see a mag change on the clock vs a standard mp40. I kind of doubt this saved much if any time. Especially if you continue the timer to a third magazine.
You'd only use the extra mag when needed. You'd still reload after 32 shots.
What about taking 4 slides, and 8 magazines? Put 3 slides in an open pouch, shoot Nr 1 and 2, pull slide out off gun, grab new slide out off pouch and insert. Ready.
As a Canadian, owning an MP40 is the absolute highlight of my gun collection.
Now if only I could get my hands on a PPSH-41.. much more difficult seemingly.
"a few millimeters" ... I think Ian is turning metric.
Welcome aboard!
ah he is coming out. as metric
Well it's good to see an american embracing the metric system further than the 9mm
Great video thanks Ian. I like how you travel to different places to do videos on the guns you show.
The sweeds built a quad stack magazine for their m/37 Suomi smgs.
Fantastic presentation.
Thank You Mr. Sweet Baby Gun Jesus...🇺🇸
0:54 Yet, as we all know, the Italians had the best submachine gun in the Beretta 38A.
Awesome video - nicely done and thank you!
I immediately thought of the crate in A Christmas Story: “Frageelee”
It's a major award and must mean Italian!
my (german) Mind went immediately to how you can improve this and make a sort of "addon" Mag holder piece with a spacer inbetween, that keeps 2 mags together at the perfect distance, so you can still use the normal mp40 magazines and reload them the same way by taking them out and putting another double stack back in again
basicaly reload 2 mags at the same time
edit: maybe even with a latch, that can be used to press both mag release buttons at the same time
Redi mag for the AR made something that sounds like that.
You dont have too. Just take slide with the two empty mags out and put another slide with two full mags in.
@@Scoobz187 i know, but that's not overengeneered enough
I never knew this model existed. Thanks for you hard work.
"The Germans thought the Soviets had better SMGs, the Soviets though the Germans had better SMGs."
Fellas, we can reach an agreement: the Finnish had the best SMGs
Finns and Italians led the game imo. The Beretta Model 38 is underrated, as is the Suomi.
@@thetomatoking9714 Spaghetti Uzis are the best SMGs
Outstanding video and presentation as always. Awesome gun.
I'm surprised they didn't try to come up with a way for the mags to slide themselves over
Sorry if this is really obvious and I'm missing something. At 7:05/7:06 Ian says there are no markings that show this is an MP40/I. Yet at the same time the serial number is showing with an I on it. Its a different style of I between the magazine housing adn the rest of the weapon, looks like it was added later to the original MP40. At 4:36 you can just make out the serial number on the single mag MP40 and there is no I showing on that. So am I being really silly adn missing somethign obvious, or has the MP40/I actually got the I marking to show it's an I? Hope that makes sense to you all.
I love the Young Frankenstein reference...as my handle would indicate.
Heck yes! Been wanting to see more on this gun since I got into machine guns!
As a soldier, I would appreciate the fact that I can switch to the 2nd mag, then replace the empty one when Im able, without ever having to put the weapon in a vulnerable state. Vs just have a 70 round drum mag.
Very cool video. Thanks for showing this rare gun. There are not many existing examples left. In the U.S. probably less than six examples.
Hi Ian, you showcased this (or) a similar one years ago. My question is: Is this MP40 config "common" or a sort of prototype stage of a MP40 that never was?
Mike Drölf I pretty sure he did, I was thinking the same thing
I explain the repeat at the end of the video. These are extremely rare.
Just when I think I can't love Ian any more than I do...he quotes a Mel Brooks movie. Be still, my heart.
You might has well of taped 2 magazines together
1. too simple to be German :D
2. did Germany actually have duct-tape in WW2?
PitchBlackYeti how could I forget it must be an over engineered solution lol
Indeed, as i always do enjoy a good bit of insight and knowledge!
Im so early, the Germans still have a chance at winning World War II
Nice
Which means never?
@@thehikerboy1 yup
In my readings on German tanks of WWII there was mention of using the radio operator’s MP 40 through a small opening in the glacis plate. The first versions did not have a ‘proper’ ball mount for a MG34. This might of been useful for that gunner. The advantage would be the use of standard magazines instead of a unique one. If the bow gunner/radio operator had to dismount, he could use his MP40 with one magazine just like any other soldier. The ridge of metal under the barrel was there to prevent the gun recoiling back into the tank(really bad things would happen then) when fired through the opening in the armor. All my armor books are still packed so I can’t verify this or which model of the Panther tank needed this. All later versions of the tank had a proper ball mount and MG34.
More bang for your buck, literally.
Thanks Ian, I always enjoy your video's
Girls locker room : Ew my hair is so bad today!
Boys looker room : *Talking about how to defend norway and what weapon to use*
Thanks for clearing up my déjà vu there at the end!
They should have made a drum magazine.
Dropit I was gonna say MP-41 but..no. No they didn’t.
Great channel. I actually learn things!
Why didn't they just make a drum mag?
Because Germany
You don't see many drum mags in the real world sadly. They're much less reliable than stick mags, far costlier to produce, take longer to 'bomb up, are harder to store in traditional webbing and are far more complex leading to more things that can break
I think if there was ever doctrine produced for this, you'd basically keep a reserve magazine for emergencies and otherwise operate and load it one at a time like a regular MP40.
Deja-Vu someone? i think i saw this same video the last year....
Me too
yeah, a revisit to the "MP80"; this is a different specimen found in the wild.
That gun was not original; this one is and has several different details as a result.
@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks you for the answer Ian! Cheers from Panamá!
Love you work! Please keep doing what you're doing!
well hello red orchestra fans
I just love this gun. MP40 = Where Eagles Dare, as a kid I’d watch it and think, Clint, cool, an MP40 in each hand, even cooler!
You have alredy review this gun about 3 years ago
Which I explain at the end of the video.
@@ForgottenWeapons shooting it?
The ability to keep your weapon loaded and ready while changing the second mag would have huge advantages in certain situations, even if little benefit normally, it’s a shame they didn’t use a Side load system for the back up mag though
When you can’t afford MG 42
World at War made me believe this were two magazines that feeded the gun simultaneously.
Didnt you cover this before...?
E: ah yep.
Which I explain at the end of the video.
Cool. Never knew about this model of the MP 40. Thanks.
It’s “Frankensteeen!”
Rex Law “I beg your pardon?”
“My name it is pronounced Fra-kin-steen.”
I have never heard of a double mag mp40, so my first reaction to the title was 'what? a double mag mp40?? That sounds badass'