Handpan vs. RAV Drum: Identical Scale Comparison, B Celtic and D Celtic Minor (Aura Handpans)

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    What are the similarities and differences between handpans and RAV drums? They are both made of steel and they both sound amazing, but one has a longer sustain than the other, and there is quite a different character to the sound. In this video we compare the newly updated 2019 RAV Drum with an Aura Handpan in the same identical Celtic Minor scale.
    In this video we made 2 comparisons: B Celtic Minor RAV vs. B Celtic Minor Aura Handpan as well as D Celtic Minor RAV vs. D Celtic Minor Aura Handpan, so you will see 4 different pans in this video. This is a literal side by side comparison where we play each pan note for note and compare how they sound.
    If you haven’t already seen the first comparison we did between RAV Drums and Handpans a few years ago, check it out here: • Hang/Handpan vs. RAV D...
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  • @dfigravity
    @dfigravity 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I'm in love with both, but I think the longer sustain (and lower price point) of the RAV are more forgiving for a beginner. Thanks for the video, you guys have made the decision process so much easier!!

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      dfigravity that’s what we are here for. Let us know if you have any specific questions about either of the pans.

    • @atlantean1209
      @atlantean1209 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aura definitely sounds better. More of a boing sound, if you know what I mean

    • @Awareness_With_Dennis
      @Awareness_With_Dennis ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@didgeproject are these both tuned at 432hz? your website dont have that info either

  • @shawnellis6581
    @shawnellis6581 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    As a newbie who has never played, my ear tended to drift towards the RAV. I was researching Handpans and never considered the RAV before. Thank you for the introduction.

  • @cord11ful
    @cord11ful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    On 'paper': the Rav should win; never needs tuning, purer sound, long sustain. BUT. Just hearing the handpans (Aura or otherwise) grabs me by the soul and totally captivates me on a much deeper level; time stands till when I hear it. No comparison. (Having said that, I'll still get a Rav for the price point and as I couldn't afford to retune a pan every one or two years, which you have to with the pans.....sadly.)

    • @eloisebaker1125
      @eloisebaker1125 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I feel the same

    • @TompaPocok
      @TompaPocok 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you ust retune handpans? that's a gamechanger feor me... :D how and who can do that?

    • @ayishamindset1111
      @ayishamindset1111 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I completely agree👌🏽🙏🏽 totally mesmerised by the hand pan the cheapest I’ve seen is almost £400

  • @elisabethm9655
    @elisabethm9655 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Thank you for this side by side ...this kind of analysis helps in understanding this new class of instrument. I just received my first handpan - a Rav B-Kurd and I’m working on my strike techniques. I’m glad I went with a rav for my first drum. I really like the clear sustain.

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Happy to hear it. For most people RAV is a better starter instrument because of its entry price point.

  • @dertonchirurg3085
    @dertonchirurg3085 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The Rav is my choice, cause of the longer sustain and it sounds more compressed. I like it for meditation music!

  • @SoundMtn
    @SoundMtn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nice presentation. Enjoyed learning more about the differences between the two instruments... Such great sound... I lean more to the rav sound...

  • @readerenergy
    @readerenergy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks very much for the video guys. It's great to hear the comparison. They both sound nice, though I tend to lean a little more toward the sound of a handpan at the moment. I think as I move further into my exploration, I will like the addition of a Rav, (or I guess more correctly, a tongue drum) to the handpan, to add to the sound depth.

  • @williamlopez9261
    @williamlopez9261 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for this comparison. As someone who is just beginning to explore these drums as a first instrument it was exactly wha I was looking for. In truth I personally like the sound of the handpan better than the Rav drum but not so much that it outweighs the cost difference, durability, and lack of tuning needed with the Rav. I hope to buy my first one in a month or two!

  • @Ra.Konstantin
    @Ra.Konstantin 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much for the wonderful video!

  • @Pasha_Aeon
    @Pasha_Aeon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good comparison! Thank you!

    • @pawelkoszelak6741
      @pawelkoszelak6741 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      9:44 he play on Hang Drums not Rav Vast D Celitic Minor Jesus!!!!!

  • @RelaxingMusic-xy4jl
    @RelaxingMusic-xy4jl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A magical range of sound that resonates with the air and shimmers

  • @Zlinky111
    @Zlinky111 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovely video. Thank you : )

  • @abdellebadabdel9987
    @abdellebadabdel9987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you great comparison (I love your work and your shop). I think that you have to say that people have to try them to have a really better feeling : just the contact between the hands and the polished metal and then the sound vibrating inside our body 🙂 I love my handpan for its particularly harmonic raised with each note BUT I didn't try a Rav so now I want to try it myself to check the differences as the weight the size and his sustain sound. A question : for beginners is it easy to deal with the sustain of a Rav ?

  • @michelbrown1060
    @michelbrown1060 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Both sound celestial. . . the hand pan has a fuller sound and it touches my soul more The RAV has a magnific sound also but diffenern and if theu were not one besides the other, it would bu hard to tell. . . But in direct comparison. . The hand pan is, to my taste, fuller, more cosy ? ? more inviting ? ?

  • @myfirstnamemylastname2994
    @myfirstnamemylastname2994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just like these DidgeProject guys...

  • @choschiba
    @choschiba 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You really have to have the RAV on your lap in order to feel the long lasting vibration an richness of sound. You can not hear it‘s potential in this video. I would highly recommend to drive to the store to give a try by yourself.

  • @jasonbaer6341
    @jasonbaer6341 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    To me, a handpan always sounds better than a tongue drum!
    Doesn't even matter if the quality is bad, the handpan always wins! To bad they cost so dang much!☹

    • @cord11ful
      @cord11ful 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally agree!

  • @spockadoo1
    @spockadoo1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant video thank you 🙏
    In you opinion which would suit better to be played with a guitar and didgeridoo through a loop pedal

  • @atomipi
    @atomipi ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing - One sounds like a charming bin lid, and the other sounds like the lid of a charming bin

  • @AngieF8
    @AngieF8 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this detailed comparison, but I just noticed it appears to be labeled incorrectly in the video beginning at 09:45 and again at 09:58
    It states "RAV Vast D Celtic Minor " when he is still comparing the Aura handpans. And it continues to incorrectly label the B scale as RAV Vast.
    Just an FYI, I didn't want anyone disappointed, if they purchase the wrong one, or confused (I hope I am not confused myself, I am not even a beginner yet! I'm just basing my observation on the introduction information.)
    I Love this information. I too am enchanted by both instruments and can't decide which one, if I exclude purchase and upkeep cost.
    And I really love this scale.
    I'm also glad to see you are located in the U.S., which will be easier for me, most of the others I have priced are in Europe.
    Thank you!🙏🏻

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If we made a mistake thanks for clarifying. We appreciate all your comments and are happy to answer any further questions. Many RAVs and handpans pass through our hands so are very lucky that we get to handle lots of these instruments. Cheers!

  • @TruthIsNot4Sale
    @TruthIsNot4Sale 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy with the Rav but I like them both of course

  • @tomatoplantsgonewild1470
    @tomatoplantsgonewild1470 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    While I do appreciate the more cost-effectiveness of the RAV, the Aura has a fuller, richer sound to me. My lady's birthday is coming up and while she won't share what she wants, I figure I can't go wrong with either. That said, the RAV seems a bit "tinny" to me but does hold the note for a longer resonance... Decisions, decisions...

    • @dylanbardin965
      @dylanbardin965 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I honestly feel the exact opposite way. The Rav has a more rich and fuller sound because it's got more tones tuned into the tongues. Harmonically it's a fuller sound super watery and flowy. For me the Aura sounds too thin. It emphasizes the upper harmonics doesn't give enough mid or low resonance to me. Reminds me of touristy Hawaiian music. I like each one for what it is but to me, the Aura doesn't sound twice as good. And it should considering the price is twice (if not more) as much.

    • @karenshelters8197
      @karenshelters8197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I just got the pygmy low e and there is 0 tinniness. I can't keep my hands off it

    • @toneenorman2135
      @toneenorman2135 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I feel the same as you. Your lady is a lucky woman. As a small,older woman,I’m trying to decide. I definitely like the handpan sound better,but,the size and easy maintenance ( no tuning needed,I think) has me leaning towards the Rav….🤷‍♀️

    • @ayishamindset1111
      @ayishamindset1111 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Go with handpan it’s a fuller sound defo I agree the rav is tinny to me also 🙏🏽

  • @rtjacobsen
    @rtjacobsen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you not mute the sustain on the rav (or the pan) with your palm or finger? Seems to me you could, it’s vibration through metal, and putting your flesh on a vibrating instrument would typically mute and lessen the sustain. But maybe that kills the overall sound of the instrument? I’m a newbie to this instrument and am genuinely curious, I may be completely wrong. (Closet guitarist)

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out the technique of how to get the harmonics in this video. Its like muting, only better: th-cam.com/video/kFqMQ7UKlsg/w-d-xo.html

  • @whitehare5347
    @whitehare5347 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    RAV is my favourite. Very relaxing.

  • @sumcd6348
    @sumcd6348 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like them both, but would take a RAV vast in D and the Aura in B

  • @marcgregoryneville
    @marcgregoryneville 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They are both in D Celtic Minor - yes? The video description indicates otherwise. Thank you for this helpful presentation!

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      there are two pairs here: a pair of d celtic minors and a pair of b celtic minors. i will update the description. thanks!

  • @sergiolonghi1380
    @sergiolonghi1380 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does every hand pan in D Celtic minor have this particular feature as you show starting from min 4.17? Thanks

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking, but the scale sequence should be the same on any D Celtic minor handpan

    • @sergiolonghi1380
      @sergiolonghi1380 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Didge Project I mean, the 2 different voices you talked about, and you showed us, one bright and the other one deeper, is this beautiful thing present on every D celtic minor handpans? Can you find something similar also in some other scales or is it just on the D Celtic minor?

  • @teegees
    @teegees 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this comparison. The RAV center note sounds an octave higher than the handpan. Is that right?

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, they should be in the same register

    • @teegees
      @teegees 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@didgeproject Maybe there are more harmonics in tongue drums than in handpans as it sounds an octave higher to me

  • @King_Thomas999
    @King_Thomas999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    does the rav come in 432hz? and if so which is the model? love to get it asap

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thomas Truong no it does not but we get this question often. We can get you any aura handpan tuned in 432hz: didgeproject.com/aura

  • @1029steveo
    @1029steveo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To me, its about the "noise elements" that are created in addition to the actual notes. The Aura creates such a pure fundamental tone with clear, well tuned harmonic tones. The Rag tongue construction seems to create more "noise elements" - A small chiff when striking, the harmonic tones are less in tune and create a bit of dissonance when striking. Its sustains longer due to the free vibrating tongue, But it doesn't hold together musically as well as the purer fundamental and partial tomes of the Aura.
    Of course, depending on the music, A "dirtier" tone may add character and feeling, like adding a distortion pedal to an electric guitar. But for me, listening to hand pan style drums is about the magical purity of tone, and the Aura wins out in this regard.

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure what you mean by noise elements. Can you explain further?

  • @ChantelStays
    @ChantelStays 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, is there a difference between rav and tongue?

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Chantel Wensley rav is a brand, tongue is a style of instrument of which rav is one maker

  • @lisasilverman3456
    @lisasilverman3456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I want one of each.

  • @ShakeMyWay
    @ShakeMyWay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there one that is easier on your hands and fingers than another?

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ShakeMyWay I think the Hand Pan is a little softer on the fingers. With The Rav drum you need to strike slightly harder

  • @IdaWhispers
    @IdaWhispers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    RAV pan all day!

  • @ayishamindset1111
    @ayishamindset1111 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Handpan for Me 🙏🏽defo resonates with my spirit 🙏🏽 il pay the extra for the feeling it gives me alone 👌🏽🙏🏽

  • @MrsSilver21
    @MrsSilver21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both

  • @scd6969
    @scd6969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    would it be possible to manipulate the sustain on the RAV by temporary modifications? such as adding a material you can use to deaden the vibrations a bit? I'm guessing some circular cutouts of some cloth tape, such as gaffers tape or medical tape, both of which will peel off easily with no residual impact... What do you think? If it works, the RAV might offer the best of both worlds.. Honestly it sounds very close with exception to the sustain, and the bass note. For only 1/3rd of the cost, it would be a win-win for me.

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some handpan players use foam inserts, attached to the inside of each note, to dampen vibrations, so it could work.

    • @eduardgercog4422
      @eduardgercog4422 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can put a thin cloth over to reduce sustain. Also the price of rav with all taxes, shipping etc comes very close if not the same with a handpan from a maker. I am in UK and can get a decent pan from local makers for the price of imported rav.

  • @JohnTheFrugalFatGuy
    @JohnTheFrugalFatGuy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm getting a RAV G Pygmy at my earliest opportunity!

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good on ya! That's one of our best sellers

    • @JohnTheFrugalFatGuy
      @JohnTheFrugalFatGuy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Will it have the new border or do I have to wait awhie for the old stock to sell?

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JohnTheFrugalFatGuy We won't be able to answer that until we get the next shipment in. That scale just sold out today!

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JohnTheFrugalFatGuy We have new golden borders on all models

    • @JohnTheFrugalFatGuy
      @JohnTheFrugalFatGuy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@didgeproject soon, I hope! I think about it all the time.

  • @shaktiveda7041
    @shaktiveda7041 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both have an Impressive sound!!!

  • @SavvySteak
    @SavvySteak 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    RAV Drum is amazing.

  • @sumcd6348
    @sumcd6348 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are the prices?

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      See pricing at didgeproject.com/store

  • @teegees
    @teegees 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there an A Celtic? That would be the lowest?

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No but there is E low pygmy, that is the lowest rav drum

  • @mrdavrosjipo
    @mrdavrosjipo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    the rav is for me

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do you vote for RAV?

  • @jayk6087
    @jayk6087 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Handpans the tones are distinct more crisper rav has sustain but the tones get too muddled it get shrill.

  • @86jurica
    @86jurica 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Io ho scelto di partire con rav 2 d celtic minor, per 2 motivi : 1 come primo strumento della mia vita ho visto in RAV un opportunità economica alla portata di tutti e 2 ma non meno importante RAV col tempo non perse l 'intonazione, non deve essere aggiustato, è anche più robusto, ma un giorno tra qualche anno cercherò anche di avere un handpan

  • @jounikorhonen
    @jounikorhonen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A handpan needs to be TUNED?... So I understood from comments. That's a dealbraker since I would have no clue how that thing can be tuned. Handpan has more harmonics in the sound and is more vivid than the more monotonous Rav-pan, though the Rav has more sustain. Some chords from both would have been nice in comparison.

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Handpans can go out of tune if played to hard. RAV drums generally keep their tuning with normal play. Cheers!

  • @itsmetorque
    @itsmetorque 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very dood video

  • @ephicpanama
    @ephicpanama 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I need to get one in 432Hz

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We can get you an Aura handpan in 432hz

    • @ephicpanama
      @ephicpanama 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@didgeproject not for me . I am poor. =)

    • @mikustar
      @mikustar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was just thinking this

  • @Matt.777
    @Matt.777 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aura

  • @dylanbardin965
    @dylanbardin965 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rav all the way.

  • @samonsounds
    @samonsounds 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    :)

  • @2S1L3NT
    @2S1L3NT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The drum by a mile... But I can't afford it!!!

  • @victorbradu90
    @victorbradu90 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi guys,
    I am excited by the sound of the Rav Drum and will definitely play it.
    It sounds great by its own but I am wondering maybe it can also be beautifully accompanied by other instruments?
    Please let me know where can I get a coupon code?
    Regards☀️

    • @pawelkoszelak6741
      @pawelkoszelak6741 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Guys this is Rav Vast not Rav Drum!Original name is Rav Vast;)

    • @mambamentality2663
      @mambamentality2663 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pawelkoszelak6741 what's the difference??

  • @CCSABCD
    @CCSABCD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Handpan all the way

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do you vote for handpan?

    • @CCSABCD
      @CCSABCD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Didge Project i feel it has a more powerful sound and more versatility. The rav it's more monotonous, overall less entertaining i think.

    • @cord11ful
      @cord11ful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CCSABCD Yes, I think the pans have more harmonics going on with every strike. Some people hear that as 'muddier', others as more beautifully complex. I'm in the latter camp.

  • @thewaterwarrior9817
    @thewaterwarrior9817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Handpans sound better and are more for music, ravs you have to play slower because of the sustain and are for relaxatuon/meditation. That being said I can't spend 1800 on a handpan!!

  • @John-jd8vx
    @John-jd8vx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    made in russia so, no buy for me.

    • @didgeproject
      @didgeproject  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      RAV Labs just moved manufacturing to serbia

  • @awapuhi
    @awapuhi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Play more. Talk less. Sshheessh I'm out of here.

  • @patriotpearl264
    @patriotpearl264 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ugh... Too much talking. I just want to hear them. 😒

  • @CHITUS
    @CHITUS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Rav is my choice, cause of the longer sustain and it sounds more compressed. I like it for meditation music!