It's wild to me that a cutscene with the most important lore implications in the entire Destiny series is tied to a seasonal quest that will disappear in less than a year
I'd kinda guess most of the people who care about the lore played and already saw it, though. And anyone else will likely learn about it from further story developments leading up to The Final Shape. Maybe they'll even recap it in more detail at that point. So, this is a silly argument you're making.
@chickenwar1 you can argue however you'd, like my point was that the player base drops in a nice little slope after the dungeon/raid and then like i said half the people are gone.
Rewatching this cutscene again kinda explains why “bravery, devotion, sacrifice” is needed for the traveler to “bless” you, because the Witness & their people were narcissistic and greedy, the traveler helped their kind only for it to turn on it at the end. I see why the Traveler picks and chooses
Don’t forget “Cowardly”. Rather than accept that the universe neither ever had nor ever needed some greater purpose then simply existing, they freaked out so badly that they swore to move Heaven and Earth until they either found that purpose, or force it into existence. Rather than just take the hint and find something better to do with themselves.
@butfirsthelititonfire9740 not just that, but consider their circumstances as well. They had the exclusive blessing of the Traveler for eons, meaning they never had to worry about resource scarcity and possibly access to unlimited energy, were able to develop technology the likes of which could probably give the Precursors from Halo a damn good run for their money, and could travel the universe in absolute ease. They could have done what the Traveler had done for them and journeyed throughout the rest of the cosmos, uplifting civilizations with their technology and bringing peace and prosperity. All the good they could have done with all their power, and instead they settled on cruelty, domination, and genocide because they needed something "greater" to give them purpose instead of being brave.
@@MelancholicBodhisattvathe purpose was to end existence. Rest easy so to speak. However, when lies and goading are used to achieve end... The end wouldn't be well.
@@yipster2352sorry sir but the art is actually original. Everything in it is made by bungie and i hate to defend them but it's not their fault that they use stuff that they created in their cutscenes and a random dude made art including those things.
@@qibcentricsplayground2043 That doesn’t mean they know its origins. It wasn’t always on Neptune either, Savathûn had stolen and dropped it off there. Nimbus and Rohan know that it’s powerful, it gives off a lot of energy.
I love how this perfectly describes the difference between the principals of Light and Darkness. The Light is an immediate gift of freedom, while the Darkness is a patient offering of purpose and structure. Ngl, I think I’d be very tempted by the latter if this were real.
The light wants an eternal heaven for everyone no matter the person or civilization and the darkness wants an eternal heaven for the worthy who have endured the worst and best (strongest, wisest, kindest, most orderly). The witness deviates from the darkness and wants some sort of singularity with them at the center being some sort of god/amalgamation of perfection to end all suffering. The light believes everyone should have heaven and the light alone would be the caretaker of the universe which shields everyone somehow. The darkness believes this isn't possible, and an eternal heaven/utopia that is perfect must be created by the perfect/near perfect few in order to create true peace. The darkness believes the light alone cannot provide safety, meaning, structure and only a universe of helpless hedonists. They believe chaos, misery, and all bad things can be solved with order, perfection, evolution, meaning and finality. The light believes all bad things/suffering can be ended with showering of love, abundance, eternity, peace, hedonism. Both are correct and incorrect as both as seen in the lore, cause death, suffering, destruction, and conflict. In terms of choosing between light and dark, the objectively correct choice would be in between.
And yet also showing how the Witness is just an emo race pissed the Traveler never spoke to them before they became the Witness and assume life has no meaning when we give it meaning in what we choose to do.
@@BryonYoungblood We find meaning in strife because we have to suffer anyways. We justify life as short and sweet because we do not have a solution to death. We accept cbecause we have too, our whole mindset around existence is literally colored by the notion we must "cope and seethe"... because we have to. What if you didn't just have to use these half-measures as a justification to accept life's frailty and tribulations, but you ACTUALLY lived in a true paradise, forever. Do you think you would honestly feel the same way. That after some time it would be an assumption that life is unbearable without strife and self-imposed goals could fill that gulf? I watched a video recently weighing the pros/cons of Heaven as portrayed in Abrahamic faiths vs complete oblivion upon death. Not about the virtue of belief vs nonbelieving mind you, that wasn't the point. Just an assessment of what is better, singing songs in a perfectly ordered reality for all time or total and complete finality. It was very interesting hearing the points AGAINST perfect existence and really got me thinking. There's also an interesting treatise on what happens in 20000 years in a hypothetical future where our descendants find the cure to stop cellular degeneration and unlock immortality. The weight of tragedy that they did not start sooner, that we spent eons crafting myths about the "sanctity of life" or "finding meaning" when we could have just put inertia into unlocking life's secrets to create immortal beings. Every person who died since then would be considers causalities of willful ignorance in a sense. Because the unlucky persons who would have died five minutes before the cure is researched, tested and distributed died needlessly.
When Ahsa says the Witness' first victims were their own people, that likely means that the Witness killed any of their kind that didn't agree to the unification and conquest of the Traveler. There is no way every single proto-Witness wanted this. Pretty chilling stuff. Bravo, Bungo.
Makes sense that the entire PLANET didnt agree with each other. Just the majority did and well similar stuff to this has happened in real life anyways so pretty accurate to how it happened
Yeah, if only this story was in the actual expansion instead of an overpriced season that will most certainly increase in price due to "inflation" when in reality its Bungie nickeling and diming its audience dry.
Zavala made the argument of a mutiny and genocide Many stories over the years have been hinting at what the Witness did and we just didn't see the clues till now Clovis a scientist who felt the Traveler shouldn't be relied upon, so he went out his way to build exos, rasputin and warminds (the Witness has its own army of ships) Rhulk a victim of the Witness, manipulated into killing his entire species, and was gaslighted into believing he was saving them (The Witness preaches salvation, and pre merge killed those that didn't comply, and the species became 1 entity) Lightfall and subsequent seasons have been talking about different civilizations and how they operate, Neptune's people live in a matrix (the Witness is composed of a civilization hence the faces), the hive and their sword logic (only the strongest survive, the Witness killed the weak minded of its people)
It's fascinating that a species that has had nothing but blessings bestowed to them from the Traveler for eons could be swayed into believing that the Light "might" or "randomly" cause cataclysmic cosmic events that could destroy entire civilizations, and because of that "justification" decide to... commit cataclysimc cosmic events that destroy entire civilzation. At least it's with "purpose", though, so now it's okay! What a truly evil entity...
Where is the evidence that the light “may” randomly cause cataclysmic events? I’m truly unsure, I haven’t played destiny since beyond light. Is it referenced anywhere? is it a literal physical explosion from the traveler that will kill all? I’m just very confused and trying to learn about the witness and the darkness/veil after discovering they are much more prevalent in the story now. You couldn’t really get this lore back in the day, but there’s so much lore it’ll take hours to sift through. A little more to go on other than what seems to be baseless conjecture by this witness’s race would surely be helpful. I am interested in seeing how the story of the traveler and veil started and why it’s coming to an end, as I’ve been into the destiny universe since D1 alpha. I just cannot be bothered to play it anymore, they have mastered the grind fest playback loop with very little tangible content drizzled in between and seasonal business model that I can’t stand in the gaming world more than almost every thing else in it at this point.
@Jasondurgen See, that's the problem. There isn't any evidence for it, because it never happened. It's hypothetically possible because the Light is a tool and a tool can be used for evil. The Traveler never did nor has done anything evil with it, but since the Traveler never spoke or communicated, it's a doubt and worry exploited by whatever was in the Veil. To be clear, the Light could kill everything, and it could do it in an infinite amount of ways since it doesn't follow the laws of physics. It's just that the Traveler would never do it, but the Witness definitely would if it succeeds during Final Shape because it's "perfecting" the universe with "purpose"
@@JasondurgenThe way i interpret it is they saw that life flourishing would eventually lead to stuff like natural disasters, which would cause the uncontrollable chaos they so hate
I’m pretty positive it wasn’t because of might or if. Look at the pure destruction we can cause as lightbearers, and that’s with only a few centuries of experience. Imagine what depths they achieved with the light with eons of experience. They probably were doing things with the light we haven’t even imagined to dream of in the first place, our light usage is probably laughable to them. They probably saw scales of light usage that was civilization ending, light in itself is extremely destructive when you have no directions or guidance just power for the sake of power. So they sought the veil to control it on a reality warping scale. The traveler said naw and ran
@Devil0027 counter points; The Witness was created on the premise that the Light could (and so would) destroy at random, not that the Light was simply capable of destructible. This flies in the face of their own personal experience of exclusively being uplifted by the Traveler in a careful, calculated way. Sure, Guardians are capable of unspeakable destruction, but at our own hands when we choose to. Humanity (and then the Hive later) were the only ones gifted with Ghosts at any point in history as of the story right now, which is a massive difference between a species "having" the Light. The heights of technological advancements based on studying paracausal forces is pretty clear (the Pyramid tech), but that's simply not the same as being capable of channeling it as Guardians do. Splicer abilities, for example, are incredible from a normal physics stand point, but kind of hilarious when compared to ressurection or manipulating the fabric of reality limited by your imagination. And, that's not technically true. The Witness seeks the Veil to shape reality as it sees fit. The Light's destructive power is barely a consideration or factor compared to its goal of the Final Shape, and honestly I'd rather have the Traveler and even destructive Guardians over the universes being turned into a statue to be shaped by a truly omnicidal psychopath.
@@UltimaKeyMaster It’s part of the weekly seasonal story where one of the steps require you to complete a lost sector, THEN the cutscene plays when you return to Asha
I always wait for a sale. I got witch queen and 30th anniversary bundle ($99) for $23 a while back, and the other day the lightfall + annual pass bundle (also 99) for $32. Still a lot for the short playthrough imo, but I'm not paying full price😅
callbacks to the opening scene of Destiny one. Gave me goosebumps. 0:20 Music leitmotif from when humanity first saw the Traveler. 1:27 the representation of darkness in the opening scene
@@NoPrompt_ light fall is the whole year. It’s part of light fall. It’s within the seasons, yes, and not part of the campaign but it is part of lightfall.
@@RelaxedKoi It's technically not. If you buy Lightfall you're not getting this cutscene. If you buy this season alone you get it. It's a part of Year 6, but Lightfall is just the expansion not including the seasons.
@@theawesomesausage you don’t need to purchase either to get the cutscene. The season maybe. But most of the player base gets it for sure I promise you. It’s part of light fall.
It sort of rubs me the wrong way how the storytelling has sort of just become shallow soap opera-like dialogue between characters in a room every week and then an animated drawing that info-dumps a lot of exposition that kind of feels like last minute lore additions. It’s a cool premise for the Witness but the narrative foundation of destiny has been robbed of its scale by the seasonal model. It will always just be- “Somewhat shallow Characters arguing in a room/professing their love for each other/alliance and then an animated info dump every few weeks”
Yep. The Witness just corrupted elements of the Darkness when it and its race got mad they couldn't speak to the Traveler and misunderstood the Darkness due to the fact they don't have balance in anything, and the Witness lacks it since it seems to DEMAND control over everything, which is why it likely couldn't be able to wield Strand while it can easily use Statis.
Anticlimactic now. Should have happened during us trying to stop the Witness from getting the Veil. Would have made that entire storyline have real impact instead of confusion...
@@bigstupiduglyogre7205ou see, the Destiny community always acts like simple changes would fix the game, and then name a giant change that would require reworks of entire DLC. Then get angry when Bungie don't do it in 2 weeks
It sounds like you guys either skimmed over the launch of Lightfall or didn't play it period. The opening and story of Lightfall had no weight, no sense of urgency. If we could have discovered in Calus's ship midway through that Witness's intent just wasn't to get the Traveller, but to rewrite the universe itself, the impact that would have made... We were expected to feel like the Veil had some huge significance without any clue what it even was we were trying to save. It's not some big ask like rewriting the entire game like some clueless idiot tried to rebuttal, but just asking for a key cutscene that can be inserted literally anywhere easily, that's not difficult coding. And considering how innumerable the amount of complaints everyone in the community or even out of the community just reviewing Lightfall felt, this little lore being left out was indeed a big fail. It doesn't take much commonsense to understand where a plot point needs to go.
I would've gave half the Lightfall cutscenes just to see a good cutscene showing the origins of the Witness. This is a poor cutscene made by external people who didn't even bother to look for the OG creators of the art they copypasted. Which also shows how Bungie did little to supervise this. And don't forget this cutscene will go away at the end of the year with the rest of the seasonal content. The most important cutscene in Destiny's history and this is what we got. Ok, Bungie.
Instead of Osiris seeing a “vision” with the nezzy tea we gave him, how about Ahsa could’ve not only told us all this but also about where the veil is BEFORE lightfall’s story
Something I will give Bungie is that, despite whatever Lightfall was, they somehow made it make sense. With this we understand why The Witness wants a link instead of destroying it. We understand why we’re still here. The Witness is still searching for that power. Now the questions remains why our Ghost was able to make the link while Calus couldn’t
Our Ghost was created by the Traveller (Gardener), so he already had a link with it. It's quite possible that this resulted in our ghosts having a connection to the Veil at the same time, thus allowing them to be used as a conduit for creating the link.
Why is every enemy in this game recycled or lack any serious effort from Bungie. Outside of the 4 Fallen,Vex,Hive… The scorn are the best we get. All other ones are reskins of what we get or just the same enemies but with minor tweaks. Ex.Nightmares/Taken It’s wild to me how we fight the same enemies/bosses for YEARS. And all this hype we’ve been teased with pyramid ships and now to know they are all EMPTY?!? It’s one dude because “tHeY mErGeD tHeMsElVes” Congrats Bungie you did it again A massive build up and just to handed the bare minimum again. But I’ll get loot crammed down my throat so hopefully it’ll shut me up
The 3 seasons after lightfall should have been geeting ready to fight the witness like rescuing slone and getting info from io and mercury not finding out stuff in a slog
Say for instance this season is similar but more about healing asha and slone so they can fight and we dont have what could end up being a spy if not already in the current story, xivu arath isnt dumb while not a god of cunning she is a god of war and so will use subterfuge to lead to further bloodshed Next we go into the vex network with ashir mir and the mercury dude to do something with the vex or them Using the network to find new weapons for our fight as the vex have been around so dam long Getting ashir out to help us after he finds the information he wants orhas ran out of hiding spaces Stopping a sol divisive mission to remove the other vex The season after wrap up witch queens whats gunna happen with savsthuns ghost a few ideas such as Delving to find further secrets (only she has and so wouldnt be in lightfall) A conforntation at the end where savathuns body is stollen and a potention truce called to stop the witness Hunting down her ghost and leaving it with no where to run like the 1st shadowkeep season
@@MW2proification You mean to tell me everyone else who's telling us to get to the Veil like Osiris didn't know jackshit? How would they even know the Veil is dangerous or powerful without any knowledge? How would the Cloud Striders not know about the thing they swear to protect alongside the citizens of their city? Everyone else seems to know exactly what the Veil is
how would he know about something he just like us only just heard about at the end of Seraph which sets Lightfall right after? All he knew was the end result of the Witness’ plan which is the destruction of the universe. They know enough that the Veil helps keep their city afloat and the people survive, what other reason would one need to secure it? What I was referring to is the origins of the Veil that no one knew except for those who know the Witness.
So, that’s what The Witness is. It’s not some eldritch entity that has existed beside The Traveller since the dawn of time, it’s the embodiment of a people who were blessed with so much by the Traveller, but wanted more. Then, when said people wanted to reshape the universe, the Traveller rejected them and they couldn’t accept that. This honestly makes the Witness seem almost human.
The Witness is a fusion of the entire race first blessed by the Traveler? That explains now why the Witness refers to themselves in plural. Also why the smoke on their head looks like heads
So, question for yall. Is the Witness's homeworld the black garden? Because that one lore tab talking about the gardener and the winnower in the garden with the tree of silver wings and all implies that "the garden" is the black garden, and this cutscene refers to their homeworld as "the garden" so are they the same place or...?
When I take into account Entelechy, it gives a strong sense that this memory is the end result of the Precursors "forgetting" doubt and dissent, and the mistakes the Precursors made. Remembering a "paradise" with no mention of the strife or the eradication of dissenting factions leading up to ots creation. Just a certainty of the "truth in the Darkness" and the chaos brought by the Gardener.
Remember the awesome cutscene that Bungie outsourced to a 3rd party animator, then didn't check the animator's plagiarism, then sold the cutscene in a paid season that should've been a part of the previous paid DLC? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
As always Bungie, great story, but...this should have been part of lightfall campaign. The work the team did, graphics, story, music, all brilliant. But whomever decided that delaying this until now, that was an error. See you next season. Cayde 6 lives
i mean she was there millions of years ago when the witness came to fundament, and she can speak and see through minds. don’t see why she couldn’t have gotten a glimpse or spoken directly to the witness
It's amazing how they say the Veil will be explained this season, but the only thing they did was show it off in a cutscene and a mission without explaining *how* it's linked to the Traveller. Just that "it's connected and the Witness wanted to do then, what it did a season ago." But this also 100% should've been a mid-Lightfall cutscene, not something planned well over a year ago to keep players invested in your increasingly expensive monetization plan.
This shoul've been a Lighfall story cutscene, not just for a seasonal event. This proves that there was a good story behind everything, but the organization was terrible.
The traveler and the veil are therefore not 2 different entities, in their beginnings they formed only one. In the legend the gardener and the winnower (traveler and veil) "cohabited" together but had to separate because he did not agree on many things (the gardener wanted to shape creations, multiply them etc.. ) And from the Witness became impregnated with the darkness being diffused by the veil and began to search for the traveler through galaxies or universes what do I know in order to find him and create the Final form. The final shape will be (and remember) the veil inside the traveler as can be seen in different images and videos, this is what the witness is trying to do. We already had the clues at the tower a while ago (on the walls a circle with a triangle, the final shape.. After that I don't know what will happen to it.
Literally everything you wrote is wrong lmao. The Witness is the winnower, not the veil. And the final shape is reshaping the usiverse into the Witness’s liking, a universe with no chaos and only control. It’s all in the cutscene mate
The funny thing is, they desired purpose and it’s exactly what they got. Almost like how Riven changed Uldren’s wish because “he should have been more specific”.
Bringing change wherever it went, the Gardener could not bear to see itself change by its creations, so it fled. A coward, an ego unto itself, a judge unworthy of its own title.
@@humanarian the final shape is the witness combining light and dark and reshaping the universe into a perfect version of itself where nothing dies or feels pain and creation and free will aren’t possible
Thats ACTUALLY Crazy like who woulda thought that the witness is just Multiple upon multiple people just fused together to create one super enigma, One super Entity
It chooses to see if you are indeed worthy of the gifts it gives you so it doesn’t just give right away it will fix you’re famine but if you truly wish to be worthy you must one first show you’re self
@@MW2proification that’s only true for the current iteration of Lightfall that we actually got. Had it been written with these concepts in mind already, Lightfall could’ve looked much different.
@@Smithwydkawb but any iteration would be assumption, we only got one version and that is the one to put context in. They had been working on seasons ahead of LF’s release which was still in development too, so they happen at the same time.
@@MW2proification regardless, the end result is that this cutscene has more information and lore than the entirety of Lightfall. Which is just stupid on a business level and in story telling
I'm not going to make any excuse for Bungie. This definitely should've been part of the Lightfall campaign. There's no excuse why it wasn't. I don't want it as part of seasonal content. Still, I AM appreciative of having this content and this revelation but it doesn't feel as good as it should.
Welp, there goes any interest I had in this story. No idea how "we should dismiss and retcon all the good lore" was the winning move in the writers room.
@@nevermore7285 We had an established characterization, ideology, origin, and general history that was literally thrown away for this. Thats not even mentioning the horrible retcons to Darkness itself and paracausality in general.
Why was this locked behind the season pass content and not in the base DLC I purchased? After Witch Queen, I expected a coherent, concise, and meaningful storyline. This 3:46 cutscene would have done wonders for the campaign. Come on now. Be better than this.
Love this cutscene. Sad to see all the negative things happening recently within the community. I’m just trying to have fun playing the game. Everyone else should do the same.
Honestly a lot of the criticisms that have been brought up lately are quite reasonable. If addressed properly, the game as a whole will be in a better state.
Commenting this for the future gamers complaining that they'll never get this important piece of lore to understand the entire Destiny franchise. Which is understandable; I mean cmon if its that important to the lore why make it a time limited event?
For those wondering... yes, this cinematic will continue to be viewable in-game after Year 6 of Destiny 2 concludes!
If only you did the same for all the seasonal stories instead of leaving the game a disjointed mess between expansions
Should pin this so it doesn't get lost in the comments. If it did, it wouldn't get **witnessed** by many if it wasn't pinned
Even if it gets expanded and sold back to us in a grimoire?
that’s assuming I’ll be here then… which I probably will
That's awesome to hear!
When a 4 min cutscene has more lore than a whole DLC
Honestly though
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Actually 3:47🤓👆
One more reason not to recommend my friends to buy Lightfall: halfway story. They're definitely not buying these so so seasons .
I don't got it, but if I buy lightfall it just be for the new ability
It's wild to me that a cutscene with the most important lore implications in the entire Destiny series is tied to a seasonal quest that will disappear in less than a year
Absolutely insane and half the player base ain't even playing right now. It's always the break for a lot till next season lmao
I'd kinda guess most of the people who care about the lore played and already saw it, though. And anyone else will likely learn about it from further story developments leading up to The Final Shape. Maybe they'll even recap it in more detail at that point. So, this is a silly argument you're making.
@@jasongladush8716nah I'd argue most people take the break until next season sometime after the seasonal Story is finished
Also to be fair, we're currently watching this cutscene on TH-cam, so this will always be available to see
@chickenwar1 you can argue however you'd, like my point was that the player base drops in a nice little slope after the dungeon/raid and then like i said half the people are gone.
Rewatching this cutscene again kinda explains why “bravery, devotion, sacrifice” is needed for the traveler to “bless” you, because the Witness & their people were narcissistic and greedy, the traveler helped their kind only for it to turn on it at the end. I see why the Traveler picks and chooses
Don’t forget “Cowardly”. Rather than accept that the universe neither ever had nor ever needed some greater purpose then simply existing, they freaked out so badly that they swore to move Heaven and Earth until they either found that purpose, or force it into existence. Rather than just take the hint and find something better to do with themselves.
@butfirsthelititonfire9740 not just that, but consider their circumstances as well. They had the exclusive blessing of the Traveler for eons, meaning they never had to worry about resource scarcity and possibly access to unlimited energy, were able to develop technology the likes of which could probably give the Precursors from Halo a damn good run for their money, and could travel the universe in absolute ease.
They could have done what the Traveler had done for them and journeyed throughout the rest of the cosmos, uplifting civilizations with their technology and bringing peace and prosperity. All the good they could have done with all their power, and instead they settled on cruelty, domination, and genocide because they needed something "greater" to give them purpose instead of being brave.
he even give us the ghost to guide us
@@MelancholicBodhisattvathe purpose was to end existence. Rest easy so to speak. However, when lies and goading are used to achieve end... The end wouldn't be well.
@@MelancholicBodhisattva "You have the whole *universe* in your grasp, and all _you_ choose to do with it is-"
What a great cutscene. Surely there was no drama tied to it.
Definitely, this witness guy seems to be a great fellow
This cutscene used some amazing, original art
The art is so amazing and original
@@Fluxbile such beauty and effort put into it, I can’t believe bingeing made all the effort for us! Could surely never be the other way around
@@yipster2352sorry sir but the art is actually original. Everything in it is made by bungie and i hate to defend them but it's not their fault that they use stuff that they created in their cutscenes and a random dude made art including those things.
imagine if savathun's origin cutscene was released in a random season several months after the witch queen dlc was out
This should of been played during lightfall campaign give us all motivation to stop the witness
The threat of a second collapse isn’t enough motivation?
@@captainblorgus2515 more like not explaining the damn mcguffin aka the veil. somehow everyone knows wtf it is but no one bothered to explain
@@qibcentricsplayground2043 Everyone did not know what it was, that’s why they didn’t explain.
@@captainblorgus2515 how does nimbus and rohan not know what it was? It's in their city.
@@qibcentricsplayground2043 That doesn’t mean they know its origins. It wasn’t always on Neptune either, Savathûn had stolen and dropped it off there. Nimbus and Rohan know that it’s powerful, it gives off a lot of energy.
I love how this perfectly describes the difference between the principals of Light and Darkness. The Light is an immediate gift of freedom, while the Darkness is a patient offering of purpose and structure. Ngl, I think I’d be very tempted by the latter if this were real.
it is real.
The light wants an eternal heaven for everyone no matter the person or civilization and the darkness wants an eternal heaven for the worthy who have endured the worst and best (strongest, wisest, kindest, most orderly). The witness deviates from the darkness and wants some sort of singularity with them at the center being some sort of god/amalgamation of perfection to end all suffering. The light believes everyone should have heaven and the light alone would be the caretaker of the universe which shields everyone somehow. The darkness believes this isn't possible, and an eternal heaven/utopia that is perfect must be created by the perfect/near perfect few in order to create true peace. The darkness believes the light alone cannot provide safety, meaning, structure and only a universe of helpless hedonists. They believe chaos, misery, and all bad things can be solved with order, perfection, evolution, meaning and finality. The light believes all bad things/suffering can be ended with showering of love, abundance, eternity, peace, hedonism. Both are correct and incorrect as both as seen in the lore, cause death, suffering, destruction, and conflict. In terms of choosing between light and dark, the objectively correct choice would be in between.
And yet also showing how the Witness is just an emo race pissed the Traveler never spoke to them before they became the Witness and assume life has no meaning when we give it meaning in what we choose to do.
Ever heard of yin and Yang? These concepts have existed
@@BryonYoungblood We find meaning in strife because we have to suffer anyways. We justify life as short and sweet because we do not have a solution to death. We accept cbecause we have too, our whole mindset around existence is literally colored by the notion we must "cope and seethe"... because we have to.
What if you didn't just have to use these half-measures as a justification to accept life's frailty and tribulations, but you ACTUALLY lived in a true paradise, forever. Do you think you would honestly feel the same way. That after some time it would be an assumption that life is unbearable without strife and self-imposed goals could fill that gulf?
I watched a video recently weighing the pros/cons of Heaven as portrayed in Abrahamic faiths vs complete oblivion upon death. Not about the virtue of belief vs nonbelieving mind you, that wasn't the point. Just an assessment of what is better, singing songs in a perfectly ordered reality for all time or total and complete finality. It was very interesting hearing the points AGAINST perfect existence and really got me thinking.
There's also an interesting treatise on what happens in 20000 years in a hypothetical future where our descendants find the cure to stop cellular degeneration and unlock immortality. The weight of tragedy that they did not start sooner, that we spent eons crafting myths about the "sanctity of life" or "finding meaning" when we could have just put inertia into unlocking life's secrets to create immortal beings. Every person who died since then would be considers causalities of willful ignorance in a sense. Because the unlucky persons who would have died five minutes before the cure is researched, tested and distributed died needlessly.
When Ahsa says the Witness' first victims were their own people, that likely means that the Witness killed any of their kind that didn't agree to the unification and conquest of the Traveler. There is no way every single proto-Witness wanted this.
Pretty chilling stuff. Bravo, Bungo.
Just like how the D2 community turns on anyone that criticizes the game or bungie as dev.
Makes sense that the entire PLANET didnt agree with each other. Just the majority did and well similar stuff to this has happened in real life anyways so pretty accurate to how it happened
Yeah, if only this story was in the actual expansion instead of an overpriced season that will most certainly increase in price due to "inflation" when in reality its Bungie nickeling and diming its audience dry.
If you believe some leaks, then the Traveler thought so too.
Zavala made the argument of a mutiny and genocide
Many stories over the years have been hinting at what the Witness did and we just didn't see the clues till now
Clovis a scientist who felt the Traveler shouldn't be relied upon, so he went out his way to build exos, rasputin and warminds (the Witness has its own army of ships)
Rhulk a victim of the Witness, manipulated into killing his entire species, and was gaslighted into believing he was saving them (The Witness preaches salvation, and pre merge killed those that didn't comply, and the species became 1 entity)
Lightfall and subsequent seasons have been talking about different civilizations and how they operate, Neptune's people live in a matrix (the Witness is composed of a civilization hence the faces), the hive and their sword logic (only the strongest survive, the Witness killed the weak minded of its people)
It's fascinating that a species that has had nothing but blessings bestowed to them from the Traveler for eons could be swayed into believing that the Light "might" or "randomly" cause cataclysmic cosmic events that could destroy entire civilizations, and because of that "justification" decide to... commit cataclysimc cosmic events that destroy entire civilzation. At least it's with "purpose", though, so now it's okay!
What a truly evil entity...
Where is the evidence that the light “may” randomly cause cataclysmic events? I’m truly unsure, I haven’t played destiny since beyond light. Is it referenced anywhere? is it a literal physical explosion from the traveler that will kill all? I’m just very confused and trying to learn about the witness and the darkness/veil after discovering they are much more prevalent in the story now. You couldn’t really get this lore back in the day, but there’s so much lore it’ll take hours to sift through.
A little more to go on other than what seems to be baseless conjecture by this witness’s race would surely be helpful. I am interested in seeing how the story of the traveler and veil started and why it’s coming to an end, as I’ve been into the destiny universe since D1 alpha. I just cannot be bothered to play it anymore, they have mastered the grind fest playback loop with very little tangible content drizzled in between and seasonal business model that I can’t stand in the gaming world more than almost every thing else in it at this point.
@Jasondurgen See, that's the problem. There isn't any evidence for it, because it never happened. It's hypothetically possible because the Light is a tool and a tool can be used for evil. The Traveler never did nor has done anything evil with it, but since the Traveler never spoke or communicated, it's a doubt and worry exploited by whatever was in the Veil.
To be clear, the Light could kill everything, and it could do it in an infinite amount of ways since it doesn't follow the laws of physics. It's just that the Traveler would never do it, but the Witness definitely would if it succeeds during Final Shape because it's "perfecting" the universe with "purpose"
@@JasondurgenThe way i interpret it is they saw that life flourishing would eventually lead to stuff like natural disasters, which would cause the uncontrollable chaos they so hate
I’m pretty positive it wasn’t because of might or if. Look at the pure destruction we can cause as lightbearers, and that’s with only a few centuries of experience. Imagine what depths they achieved with the light with eons of experience. They probably were doing things with the light we haven’t even imagined to dream of in the first place, our light usage is probably laughable to them. They probably saw scales of light usage that was civilization ending, light in itself is extremely destructive when you have no directions or guidance just power for the sake of power. So they sought the veil to control it on a reality warping scale. The traveler said naw and ran
@Devil0027 counter points;
The Witness was created on the premise that the Light could (and so would) destroy at random, not that the Light was simply capable of destructible. This flies in the face of their own personal experience of exclusively being uplifted by the Traveler in a careful, calculated way. Sure, Guardians are capable of unspeakable destruction, but at our own hands when we choose to.
Humanity (and then the Hive later) were the only ones gifted with Ghosts at any point in history as of the story right now, which is a massive difference between a species "having" the Light. The heights of technological advancements based on studying paracausal forces is pretty clear (the Pyramid tech), but that's simply not the same as being capable of channeling it as Guardians do. Splicer abilities, for example, are incredible from a normal physics stand point, but kind of hilarious when compared to ressurection or manipulating the fabric of reality limited by your imagination.
And, that's not technically true. The Witness seeks the Veil to shape reality as it sees fit. The Light's destructive power is barely a consideration or factor compared to its goal of the Final Shape, and honestly I'd rather have the Traveler and even destructive Guardians over the universes being turned into a statue to be shaped by a truly omnicidal psychopath.
Amazing cutscene, one of the best in the franchise
It's just sad it plays after a lost sector instead of the end of a DLC campaign...
I'm sorry it what.
@@UltimaKeyMaster
It’s part of the weekly seasonal story where one of the steps require you to complete a lost sector, THEN the cutscene plays when you return to Asha
This cutscene has more lore than 50$ Lightfall ☠☠☠.
True
I don’t know, got a lot of lore about Neomuna and the Light and Dark in the campaign itself.
I always wait for a sale. I got witch queen and 30th anniversary bundle ($99) for $23 a while back, and the other day the lightfall + annual pass bundle (also 99) for $32.
Still a lot for the short playthrough imo, but I'm not paying full price😅
callbacks to the opening scene of Destiny one. Gave me goosebumps.
0:20 Music leitmotif from when humanity first saw the Traveler.
1:27 the representation of darkness in the opening scene
Imagine living in paradise and throwing that all away on a hunch. The Witness is the universe's biggest clown car.
Haha
Quite literally lol
To be fair it wasnt just a hunch. They found evidence of two previous people afflicted ny the traveler as well. Its in a lore tab
the Eve of Destiny
Such an incredible cutscene. So sad it wasn't part of Lightfall...
It technically is.
@@RelaxedKoiit isnt
@@NoPrompt_ light fall is the whole year. It’s part of light fall. It’s within the seasons, yes, and not part of the campaign but it is part of lightfall.
@@RelaxedKoi It's technically not. If you buy Lightfall you're not getting this cutscene. If you buy this season alone you get it. It's a part of Year 6, but Lightfall is just the expansion not including the seasons.
@@theawesomesausage you don’t need to purchase either to get the cutscene. The season maybe. But most of the player base gets it for sure I promise you. It’s part of light fall.
It sort of rubs me the wrong way how the storytelling has sort of just become shallow soap opera-like dialogue between characters in a room every week and then an animated drawing that info-dumps a lot of exposition that kind of feels like last minute lore additions.
It’s a cool premise for the Witness but the narrative foundation of destiny has been robbed of its scale by the seasonal model. It will always just be-
“Somewhat shallow Characters arguing in a room/professing their love for each other/alliance and then an animated info dump every few weeks”
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100% agree.
"So basically the traveler traveled and the witness witnessed"
-marlonr7595
Nice steal
Awesome cutscene but please next time add something like this to the expansion. This single cutscene would've had lightfall get way more praise.
1:37 wait are those suppose to represent the 3 light elements. The eruption being solar, then the swirl void, and the rain arc ?
You had it right but the swirl is void and the lightning arc
So after all this time, it wasn't the Darkness that was pursuing the Traveler, it was the Witness.
Yep. The Witness just corrupted elements of the Darkness when it and its race got mad they couldn't speak to the Traveler and misunderstood the Darkness due to the fact they don't have balance in anything, and the Witness lacks it since it seems to DEMAND control over everything, which is why it likely couldn't be able to wield Strand while it can easily use Statis.
Anticlimactic now. Should have happened during us trying to stop the Witness from getting the Veil. Would have made that entire storyline have real impact instead of confusion...
No? Who would tell us it? Why would a narrative about calus and neomuna include this?
@@bigstupiduglyogre7205ou see, the Destiny community always acts like simple changes would fix the game, and then name a giant change that would require reworks of entire DLC. Then get angry when Bungie don't do it in 2 weeks
@@bigstupiduglyogre7205The witness himself.
@@memecrider3585but the Witness did not talk to us.
It sounds like you guys either skimmed over the launch of Lightfall or didn't play it period. The opening and story of Lightfall had no weight, no sense of urgency. If we could have discovered in Calus's ship midway through that Witness's intent just wasn't to get the Traveller, but to rewrite the universe itself, the impact that would have made... We were expected to feel like the Veil had some huge significance without any clue what it even was we were trying to save. It's not some big ask like rewriting the entire game like some clueless idiot tried to rebuttal, but just asking for a key cutscene that can be inserted literally anywhere easily, that's not difficult coding. And considering how innumerable the amount of complaints everyone in the community or even out of the community just reviewing Lightfall felt, this little lore being left out was indeed a big fail. It doesn't take much commonsense to understand where a plot point needs to go.
The Witness: What is my purpose?
The Traveler: You pass butter.
The Witness: ...Oh my god...
The Traveler: Yeah. Welcome to the club, pal.
I would've gave half the Lightfall cutscenes just to see a good cutscene showing the origins of the Witness.
This is a poor cutscene made by external people who didn't even bother to look for the OG creators of the art they copypasted. Which also shows how Bungie did little to supervise this.
And don't forget this cutscene will go away at the end of the year with the rest of the seasonal content.
The most important cutscene in Destiny's history and this is what we got. Ok, Bungie.
Yeah bro I liked Gurren Lagann as well, thanks Bungie
So The Witness is literally just The Antispiral from Gurren Lagann???
Yes. And Light is Spiral Energy. It is even shown here out right as a spiral.
You do realize that duality has been a thing since ancient times, yes?
@@rielaxault Nope, this trope has only ever been specifically used in Gurren Lagann.
Yes, but the Antispiral actually had good reasons for suppressing spiral energy. The Witness is just an angsty hivemind with a messiah complex.
@@rielaxaultdestiny fanboy rage
Instead of Osiris seeing a “vision” with the nezzy tea we gave him, how about Ahsa could’ve not only told us all this but also about where the veil is BEFORE lightfall’s story
Titan wasn’t in our system at that time.
@@captainblorgus2515Damn the expedition fish wasn't around yet 😢
"A wise man once said, every gaming boycott is 1 3-minute cutscene from being over." -Aztecross
Something I will give Bungie is that, despite whatever Lightfall was, they somehow made it make sense. With this we understand why The Witness wants a link instead of destroying it. We understand why we’re still here. The Witness is still searching for that power. Now the questions remains why our Ghost was able to make the link while Calus couldn’t
Our Ghost was created by the Traveller (Gardener), so he already had a link with it. It's quite possible that this resulted in our ghosts having a connection to the Veil at the same time, thus allowing them to be used as a conduit for creating the link.
Why is every enemy in this game recycled or lack any serious effort from Bungie.
Outside of the 4 Fallen,Vex,Hive… The scorn are the best we get. All other ones are reskins of what we get or just the same enemies but with minor tweaks. Ex.Nightmares/Taken
It’s wild to me how we fight the same enemies/bosses for YEARS. And all this hype we’ve been teased with pyramid ships and now to know they are all EMPTY?!? It’s one dude because “tHeY mErGeD tHeMsElVes”
Congrats Bungie you did it again
A massive build up and just to handed the bare minimum again. But I’ll get loot crammed down my throat so hopefully it’ll shut me up
Tormentors are not reused dumbass and second TFS won't have no enemies so cry about it
Bungie is pathetic in that aspect
How ONE cutscenes explains more about Lightfall than the entire DLC, without even being a part of it is beyond me.
I really do hope that when this game is done they release a free dlc with a summarized competent story from beginning to end…
The 3 seasons after lightfall should have been geeting ready to fight the witness like rescuing slone and getting info from io and mercury not finding out stuff in a slog
Say for instance this season is similar but more about healing asha and slone so they can fight and we dont have what could end up being a spy if not already in the current story, xivu arath isnt dumb while not a god of cunning she is a god of war and so will use subterfuge to lead to further bloodshed
Next we go into the vex network with ashir mir and the mercury dude to do something with the vex or them
Using the network to find new weapons for our fight as the vex have been around so dam long
Getting ashir out to help us after he finds the information he wants orhas ran out of hiding spaces
Stopping a sol divisive mission to remove the other vex
The season after wrap up witch queens whats gunna happen with savsthuns ghost a few ideas such as
Delving to find further secrets (only she has and so wouldnt be in lightfall)
A conforntation at the end where savathuns body is stollen and a potention truce called to stop the witness
Hunting down her ghost and leaving it with no where to run like the 1st shadowkeep season
But how would we know about this stuff in story if no one we interacted with knew?
@@MW2proification You mean to tell me everyone else who's telling us to get to the Veil like Osiris didn't know jackshit? How would they even know the Veil is dangerous or powerful without any knowledge? How would the Cloud Striders not know about the thing they swear to protect alongside the citizens of their city? Everyone else seems to know exactly what the Veil is
how would he know about something he just like us only just heard about at the end of Seraph which sets Lightfall right after? All he knew was the end result of the Witness’ plan which is the destruction of the universe. They know enough that the Veil helps keep their city afloat and the people survive, what other reason would one need to secure it? What I was referring to is the origins of the Veil that no one knew except for those who know the Witness.
If anyone has seen gurren lagann this is very close to the story of the anti spirals and their motivation and how they went about carrying it out.
ROW ROW FIGHT THA POWER
Most people forgot what the veil was at this point but basically they’re mad that the traveler traveled despite the fact they tried to tamper with it
Should👏 have 👏been 👏in 👏lightfall 👏. But it was still fire and appreciated. Thank you bungo.
it technically is in lightfall just not in the campaign
@@GoldenGamer-bq1dv it will be sunset when the next expansion comes out
@@Telesto_TimelostRead the pinned comment. Plus this’ll likely be in the catch up cutscene before Final Shape starts.
This cutscene wouldn’t have fit anywhere in Lightfall.
@@captainblorgus2515 i completely agree, unless ahsa was somehow a part of the narrative it would not have made sense.
Witness is the kinda guy to put 1 45lbs plate on one side and 7 5lbs plates on the other
This cutscene actually made me cry like jeez it’s not like a sad or happy cry it’s just like a cry of beauty
Seriously?
Then there is something wrong w you God bless you
I'm so glad this showed up in the story of the most important dlc yet and not after doing a random lost sector during a mediocre season
This would have been PERFECT before the beginning cinematic of the lightfall campaign
So, that’s what The Witness is. It’s not some eldritch entity that has existed beside The Traveller since the dawn of time, it’s the embodiment of a people who were blessed with so much by the Traveller, but wanted more.
Then, when said people wanted to reshape the universe, the Traveller rejected them and they couldn’t accept that.
This honestly makes the Witness seem almost human.
Its a namek lol
"Ayyy FFXIV, mind if I cop your villains origin story?"
The Witness is a fusion of the entire race first blessed by the Traveler? That explains now why the Witness refers to themselves in plural. Also why the smoke on their head looks like heads
So, question for yall. Is the Witness's homeworld the black garden? Because that one lore tab talking about the gardener and the winnower in the garden with the tree of silver wings and all implies that "the garden" is the black garden, and this cutscene refers to their homeworld as "the garden" so are they the same place or...?
nope. not even a bit
When I take into account Entelechy, it gives a strong sense that this memory is the end result of the Precursors "forgetting" doubt and dissent, and the mistakes the Precursors made.
Remembering a "paradise" with no mention of the strife or the eradication of dissenting factions leading up to ots creation. Just a certainty of the "truth in the Darkness" and the chaos brought by the Gardener.
One of the greatest cinematics in destiny history.
Not even top ten.
Not even great.
Amazing cutscene probably the best lore we’ve gotten in years but it honestly was too late shouldve came last season.
Honestly, this is far from the best cutscene in years.
The traveler traveled, causing a conflict in the universe... Huh
Remember the awesome cutscene that Bungie outsourced to a 3rd party animator, then didn't check the animator's plagiarism, then sold the cutscene in a paid season that should've been a part of the previous paid DLC? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
As always Bungie, great story, but...this should have been part of lightfall campaign. The work the team did, graphics, story, music, all brilliant. But whomever decided that delaying this until now, that was an error. See you next season. Cayde 6 lives
It wasn’t delayed to this expansion, it was planned to be revealed later.
@@captainblorgus2515no
Really though, the story of this one is pretty weak. It creates far more questions than it answers.
so that explains the random statues of people missing limbs on the pyramids like in vow it all makes sense now
Why hide this cutscene in the Season?? If this was in the Lightfall campign it would be so much better.
So you have to pay $15 more.
Imagine if any of this was in the campaign... The whole thing would've actually made sense.
It still wouldn’t have made sense.
So how did the fish know this, just curious.
🤷♂️
i mean she was there millions of years ago when the witness came to fundament, and she can speak and see through minds. don’t see why she couldn’t have gotten a glimpse or spoken directly to the witness
I'll take "Should have been in Lightfall" for 100, Alex.
Why was this not in LightFall
It's amazing how they say the Veil will be explained this season, but the only thing they did was show it off in a cutscene and a mission without explaining *how* it's linked to the Traveller. Just that "it's connected and the Witness wanted to do then, what it did a season ago."
But this also 100% should've been a mid-Lightfall cutscene, not something planned well over a year ago to keep players invested in your increasingly expensive monetization plan.
This shoul've been a Lighfall story cutscene, not just for a seasonal event. This proves that there was a good story behind everything, but the organization was terrible.
So the Witness is an amalgamation of ALL the souls from the Traveler's 1st people?
The traveler and the veil are therefore not 2 different entities, in their beginnings they formed only one. In the legend the gardener and the winnower (traveler and veil) "cohabited" together but had to separate because he did not agree on many things (the gardener wanted to shape creations, multiply them etc.. ) And from the Witness became impregnated with the darkness being diffused by the veil and began to search for the traveler through galaxies or universes what do I know in order to find him and create the Final form.
The final shape will be (and remember) the veil inside the traveler as can be seen in different images and videos, this is what the witness is trying to do. We already had the clues at the tower a while ago (on the walls a circle with a triangle, the final shape.. After that I don't know what will happen to it.
Literally everything you wrote is wrong lmao.
The Witness is the winnower, not the veil.
And the final shape is reshaping the usiverse into the Witness’s liking, a universe with no chaos and only control.
It’s all in the cutscene mate
1000 angry warlock mains in one body.
😂
Calling it, The traveler is a W’rkencacnter from Pathways Into Darkness and Marathon 2/Infinite.
seems like this would have been nice to see within the dlc lol
That’s awesome. Hope Final Shape delivers
they did it, THEY WITNESSED
The funny thing is, they desired purpose and it’s exactly what they got. Almost like how Riven changed Uldren’s wish because “he should have been more specific”.
So you guys realize how many millions of lives were lost in this universal game of hide and seek?!
more like trillions (maybe even more)
Remember folks: Bungie does not want to tell a great story. They want to sell a spaced out story.
Yeah so is anybody gonna rescue me inside the traveler? Hello? Anybody?
So the Witness is the Destiny version of Giant Rei from End of Evangelion?
im getting tengan toppa gurren lagan villan vibes from this backstory lol
Well, yes. And LIGHT is spiral energy
@@Ульф-щ8ч *Cayde calling out to us*
"Guardian combine!"
Still have no idea wtf the veil is supposed to be
It is to the Darkness what the Traveler is to the Light.
They literally posted this so people who didn't buy the season didn't feel left out lol
Bringing change wherever it went, the Gardener could not bear to see itself change by its creations, so it fled. A coward, an ego unto itself, a judge unworthy of its own title.
Should’ve been at the beginning of Lightfall
"My name is Legion... for we are many."
-- Mark 5:9
Ghost Rider I love that movie 😁
So, basically Antispiral from Gurren Lagann
So... can anyone explain why is this Final Shape supposed to be a bad thing? Doesn't seem to be anything bad from this cutscene.
You see the utopic universe for the vex? Its the same here.
Free will and creation will cease to be
@@ontos8914 I still don't know what that Final Shape even is, let alone why all free will and creation are supposed to cease once it comes to pass.
@@humanarian the final shape is the witness combining light and dark and reshaping the universe into a perfect version of itself where nothing dies or feels pain and creation and free will aren’t possible
TFS expansion just came out so the first cinematic and the rest of the story oughta give you a clear answer now.
Wild, its like i saw this 4 weeks ago.
Thats ACTUALLY Crazy like who woulda thought that the witness is just Multiple upon multiple people just fused together to create one super enigma, One super Entity
It chooses to see if you are indeed worthy of the gifts it gives you so it doesn’t just give right away it will fix you’re famine but if you truly wish to be worthy you must one first show you’re self
Amazing cutscene soured by the fact that it shows how out of touch Bungie is with their community and the game. This should’ve been in Lightfall
There was no real way for it to be revealed to us directly in game as the player.
@@MW2proification that’s only true for the current iteration of Lightfall that we actually got. Had it been written with these concepts in mind already, Lightfall could’ve looked much different.
@@Smithwydkawb but any iteration would be assumption, we only got one version and that is the one to put context in. They had been working on seasons ahead of LF’s release which was still in development too, so they happen at the same time.
It's only soured if you make it that way.
@@MW2proification regardless, the end result is that this cutscene has more information and lore than the entirety of Lightfall. Which is just stupid on a business level and in story telling
Should have been in Lightfall but very cool nonetheless.
This only makes me wonder if this will unveil some kind of connection with the Speaker's origin...
If only this cutscene was in Lightfall.
Bungie is so lazy can’t believe they fired the WitchQueen narrative team.
Take notes, this is NOT how to tell a atory.
So, The Witness used to be as people until they merged into one to seek power to destroy all reality.
I'm not going to make any excuse for Bungie. This definitely should've been part of the Lightfall campaign. There's no excuse why it wasn't. I don't want it as part of seasonal content. Still, I AM appreciative of having this content and this revelation but it doesn't feel as good as it should.
This should have been in lightfall
Welp, there goes any interest I had in this story. No idea how "we should dismiss and retcon all the good lore" was the winning move in the writers room.
It didn’t? We knew nothing about the darkness or what was leading it.
@@nevermore7285 We had an established characterization, ideology, origin, and general history that was literally thrown away for this. Thats not even mentioning the horrible retcons to Darkness itself and paracausality in general.
What’s the song in the background tho
Should have been in Lightfall
This lore goes deeper than ever we thought.
It’s actually not that deep.
The witness isnt good or bad, it simply follows how things should work, it only wants things to stay intact, it only wants to help
You're saying forcing everyone in the universe to be put in an eternal slumber against their will doesn't make you a bad guy?
Why was this locked behind the season pass content and not in the base DLC I purchased? After Witch Queen, I expected a coherent, concise, and meaningful storyline. This 3:46 cutscene would have done wonders for the campaign. Come on now. Be better than this.
When can I change the name in the game? It has been a long time since it can be modified
I can’t wait for the final shape to have its basic plot elements unexplained until the season after it
Love this cutscene. Sad to see all the negative things happening recently within the community. I’m just trying to have fun playing the game. Everyone else should do the same.
Honestly a lot of the criticisms that have been brought up lately are quite reasonable. If addressed properly, the game as a whole will be in a better state.
The pyramid ship music will always creep me out lol
Commenting this for the future gamers complaining that they'll never get this important piece of lore to understand the entire Destiny franchise. Which is understandable; I mean cmon if its that important to the lore why make it a time limited event?
I wonder if we will ever see the witness home world that would be a trip