I only disagree about Great Eastern and QM2. I recognize Great Eastern is odd - but it's so brutish and aggressive in its appearance it's a win for me. It makes me think of smoggy Victorian factories, but in a good way if that makes sense. It's steampunk before steampunk existed. QM2 I think is an unfair placement here because to me any modern ship will lose a looks contest with its older, classic counterparts. We were never going to get a classic ocean liner out of QM2, but given that limitation, she's by far the most attractive modern passenger ship constructed. She's leagues ahead of anything else sailing today. Love your channel!
I agree completely with your assessment. Your description of the "Great Eastern" is spot on. I think the QM2 is doomed aesthetically by being compared to the original QM. She's basically a Cruise Ship slightly disguised as an Ocean Liner.
@@j.kevvideoproductions.6463The Queen Mary 2 is an Ocean liner in every way! She is no Cruise ship! She is 100% built as an Ocean liner and has many differences to other ugly cruise ships
Believe it or not, Great Eastern is actually one of my favourite ocean liners because of the aesthetics. It looks like a prehistoric beast about to unleash its full power.
Imagine if she was (somehow) successful. Ie some big shot managed to convince people that her survival against storms was proof of safety, maybe even arfter her cable laying period someone managed to use her age and service record to bassicly say “hey look! This big ship has traveled all the oceans and survived the worse storms, why you’d have to be a fool in believing she is unsafe!”
A prehistoric beast. That is actually the perfect way to put it and the way that I've always thought of her but never in words. She really was more or less just that; the first true superliner before the age of superliners and a beast that, were she actually a living thing, I could definitely see pictures of in cave walls. :D
While I definitely have to disagree with quite a bit of this list (QM2, Athenic, Great Eastern and Oriana come to mind, they are beautiful vessels), it was certainly interesting to hear your points and opinions about them, as well as your comparisons and how you would improve them
@@TheGreatBigMove I suppose with Athenic, I personally like the messy superstructure aesthetic that many liners of the period shared. It differentiates them and makes them more unique in comparison to the cleaner likes of Olympic and Lusitania
I find L’Atlantique one of my favourite liners with her larger funnels but I do admit that the superstructure needed a bit more shape but my favourite part of the ship is her interior
She is also the only true LINER in operation in the world today. Elizabeth and Victoria are cruise ships. QM2 is the only transatlantic any weather any time of the year passenger ship today. Cruise ships can cross the Atlantic but only if the weather forecast permits. She does also do cruises but unable to enter some harbours that cruise ships go because of her deep draught. ( Hull below the waterline). She is unique and as you say beautiful.
My only issue with the QM2 is the age comparisons. The QM2 is beautiful for its time (as noted). You can’t compare her though to an Olympic, or a Mauritania. Because they’re two different eras. This is the equivalent of comparing a Jaguar E-Type with a Tesla. In their respective time periods, they each have their own beauty. But comparing them over time periods next to each other, is unfair. Regardless, very happy you put out a video, even if I slightly disagreed. Keep up the good work.
@@mechanicalbird282 Haha! Always thought Tesla sedans had their unique innovative beauty - but how 'bout that Cyber Truck? Gonna be the Pacer, Aztec of the future.
Totally agree with your points on the Qm2. Although she might be one of the prettier ships afloat today, she looks like an oversized box compared to the original Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth. And take as long of a break as you need, we'll be here when your back and firing on all cylinders!
More like a cabin cruiser in my mind. I forgot to mention, I'd honestly put the MV Britannic in this video. Not really a fan of cabin cruisers and that's just because they look kinda flat and boxy to me. The only reason I didn't include the Georgic is because she at least had curves. :)
I think Queen Mary 2 shouldn't have been on here. Sure, it doesn't look as good as the ships from 100 years ago, but it can't, either. It is a hybrid of an ocean liner and cruise ship, and I think the interiors look great. It also has the traditional stern and the bridge is at least somewhat far from the bow and not just straight above. I'm pretty sure there are now rules that the bridge has to be a certain distance from the bow. Either way, she's not just a big floating box. So some exterior aesthetics had to be sacrificed to allow the modern comforts and amenities of ships, and although a far cry from say, the Lusitania of a 100 years earlier, still she maintains some of the ocean liner style.
The part that hit me the hardest had to be when you put the QM2 into this list because I think she is beautiful and she’s my favorite true ocean liner of all time.
Though I think QM2 could use a greater sheer, second funnel, and a longer bow, I’d still ace to say she’s a very beautiful ship in my opinion. This is controversial to say, but I’d say as luxurious and glamorous as Normandie was, I do think her funnels and bow could have used a slightly more traditional aesthetic. But, as I said I still absolutely love Normandie! ❤️🚢
QM2 appears elegant from some angles of view yet ugly from others, so I agree she isn’t the most aesthetic externally. The first Oriana definitely deserves the first place as most ugly ocean liner. She appears to have been designed by a very large discordant team, creating a ‘house that jack built’ appearance, which is strange given the more appropriate appearance of her smaller predecessors such as Orcades. I’d love to know what was on their minds when they patched that design together!
My family and I crossed the Pacific in the '60s on the Oriana and us kids had a blast running around the "ugly honeycomb steer" decks, which, on modern cruse liners, are taken up with aft balcony cabins or other facilities. More open deck space then. While in Fiji, the Canberra was docked next to us, and I wasn't too young to appreciate the beauty of that vessel. Way ahead of its time. We were on its ugly sister I guess! Great memories.
This list is just one person's opinion. It is generally accepted that QM2 one of the finest Ocean Liners ever built. It is widely regarded as a most beautiful ship and is greeted as such wherever it sails around the world! It has the aesthetic of liners in the true tradition. I disagree with the comments made in this video.
@@kaamkmca It looks like a Cruise Ship. It carries on the tradition of being a work of mechanical marvel, and be the last of it’s kind, but it still looks ugly.
@@andyrob3259 She’s not my type of ship, but she’s definitely more aesthetically appealing than the Great Eastern. I still can’t believe SS Pasteur isn’t on this list.
@@andyrob3259 Yes she was for her time and she could really crank up those engines usually at night! I believe she still holds the record for the fastest passenger ship to sail to Australia. The golden Cockerel award was always proudly displayed above the bridge when entering a port! She was one of the last ships to have a 2 class passenger status and became fully open class in the 70's I think! I would sail on her again in a heart beat if she still existed today! :-)
I personally disagree with the choice of Great Eastern, especially at Number 2, but I mean that in the most respectful way possible 😂. I am personally a huge fan of the look and it is mostly due to Great Eastern’s very Victorian design. I know the look is not for everyone and I do understand why you chose to put her at your number 2. I however, personally hold that she introduced luxury to the 7 Seas with her stunning interior. Love the show and I love your videos, keep doing what your doing man!
I should have started the video by clarifying that this particular video is taking into consideration only exterior design. I might do a video in the future on best and worst interiors. Thanks for watching!
The Oriana really deserves that first place on this list. It looks like a ship I would have drawn as a 5 year old. The only one I really must disagree with is the Great Eastern. I really love the way she looks. The lack of tall superstructures gives her a sleek look, and I especially like the mix of steam ship and sailing ship aesthetics. While other similar vessels either looked like a sailing ship with funnels or like a steam ship with sails, I think the Great Eastern managed to find a sweet spot in the middle. Anyways, great video as always!
Personally, Great Eastern is actually very beautiful in my opinion, with the 5 funnels, paddles, huge hull, multiple masts. I am glad that Aquitania, Queen Mary and Seeandbee did not make it on the list. Also, most of the ships on this list I still thought looked great, but the Matsonia and Oriana.
I think that Johan Van Oldenbarnevelt was extensively rebuilt later in her life, which majorly increased the height of the funnels, rebuilt most if the super structure, and added a few masts here and there, which to me really improved her aesthetic
She is one of that group of vessels known as cargo liners, leads to too many demands on deck space, but look at the Union Castle ships 1950- 1970 same function not as ugly, quite stylish in their own way.
God, I thought I was alone in thinking the Queen Mary 2 was a bit homely. XD She looks more like a toy boat to me, if that makes any sense... the rounded edges of her superstructure and body, and how she looks more like a cruise ship with black paint than a traditional liner. Like something you'd see bobbing around in a bathtub than cutting the waves across the Atlantic. What a fun video, there were some truly gnarly ships on here! That one really long ship with the single little funnel killed me, that one is definitely my favorite on this list. Absolute marvel of nautical design, right there. XD
When I was a kid back in the 50's, 60's, liners were admired for their beauty even by non-travelers. They were floating works of art to be admired. Except Oriana, which was not just ugly, but "circus ugly". And sometimes, the intended route, cargo type and loading facility, passenger manifest, harbor restrictions (draft, low bridges, etc.) dictate the final design which may look odd.
@@Pelley4560 Oh dear, have I upset you? No other passenger ship is capable of going transatlantic in any weather at any time of the year except QM2. Because of her draught, she cannot enter some harbours that cruise ships do but she does do cruises as well. I am as you are entitled to my own views on this stream. People calling cruise ships liners is also annoying as many people do. QM2 doesn't always function as a cruise ship as you say she does. Sorry if you are in any way offended but facts are facts. A liner is a liner and not a cruise ship. Ask any shipbuilder.
@@rubberyowen1469 I wasn’t offered rather amused. That being said when I was originally responding to the original comment that stated they saw the qm2 as a hybrid I agreed in that she is a liner from an engineering standpoint yet her purpose is to cruise. Her passengers are there to cruise and have a good time not simply for the sole purpose of transportation like a liner of yesteryear or an airplane today. That is what I meant. While I guess for many people’s vacations be it on a cruise in the Caribbean or qm2 going to new York and/or the UK, they are their to transport but the it’s definitely about the journey not just the destinations when it comes to passenger ships in today’s world.
Fun comment section! Liner aficionados have passionate hearts, and this topic is like smacking a beehive. Hee hee hee. I've found my people at last. Of course, everyone is right: the eye of the beholder.
I have a soft spot for the Oriana. She was the first ship I travelled on, in 1984, quite late in her career. Yes, she looked ponderous compared with other ships, and by then her interiors were dated and sad looking, but she was still a magnificent lady who had served Orient/P&O well.
Say is isn't so! The Oriana?! An unapologetic expression of maritime engineering and design, but I can see your point ;) There's a fair bit of heritage in her design if you look at earlier Orient line ships. I think she's wonderful but most beautiful in her original, corn coloured hull Orient line livery :)
Agreed100%!! I sailed on her 3 times in the 70's. A bit stark perhaps and looked like a battle cruiser but she was fast! Loads of space for passengers unlike todays leviathans that are overcrowded on the main decks. She had a massive following of loyal passengers and was a great ship. I agree with your comment on her heritage as she was the natural progression to her older but much loved sister's. :-)
I agree. I’m an shocked Oriana was on here. She was not only innovative for her time, she was an absolutely lovely ship to sail in with great interiors. I actually think the Canberra was ugly - very bulky and very squat. In many ways reminiscent of modern too heavy cruise ships of today.
@@ryan8960 I can see why you would think that but it was a common design for many ships at the time. These days of course every space available has cabins bunged in for maximum profit. The Oriana's stern 'basket like' arrangement did in fact have a very practical application. During rough weather when it was unpleasant to be up on the open decks, passengers could retreat to the stern area that was comparatively shielded from the weather but still able to be enjoy the open air. It must be remembered that Oriana was built for speed unlike the massive hotels of today that lumber along! The lifeboats being tucked away was a relatively new innovation and prevented much of the worst weather from attacking the Davit gear that needed constant maintenance. After sailing on many more modern ships I can still say that the Oriana was one of my favourite's for many reasons. :-)
I think you are spot on. I too like that we still have true Ocean Liner in QM2 but profit drives design. I think it would interesting to see if you find any cruise ships today beautiful.
I thought you did a pretty decent job. I was glad you handled the QM2 the way you did and I agree. My first trip on a ship was 1968. I then had 11 sailings on the QE2, a knock out ship...Then, the QM, just to try it, I was not 'wowed' by its looks. And yes, It was great crossing the Atlantic, however, it is primarily a cruise ship with a hug to the liner past. A liner, of course, today would not make it. So I think they did about the best they could...although, a little more attention to the eye candy bit would have helped.
Have to totally disagree with you regarding Oriana. She was quite simply magnificent. To begin to appreciate her design you have to look at her predecessors Orcades, Oronsay and Orsova. I have spent time stuying both Oriana and Canberra, and have sailed on both. Looks can be deceptive, Oriana was far more aerodynamically efficient. Of the two she was the faster and internally the more attractive. Her owners, Orient Line, were always more design focussed and more bold that P&O Line. Hence the more radical designs of their ships of the 1950s over those of P&O.
Oriana was unique ... I have a 60s unopened Revell model of her I'll get round to building one day 😊. BTW, I traveled on both orig. Queens and SS United States as a wee lad end of their service 😁, unforgettable
Very interesting list, though I do disagree with your first choice. If I were to suggest an ugly ocean liner, it would be SS Félix Roussel or MS George’s Philippar of the Shipping line, Messageries Maritimes. Aside from patchy and cluttered superstructures and open decks, both had a set of two square-shaped funnels. Let me know what you think of them.
I thought the same: Not the Inman Line ship. While the barrel vault skylights forward were certainly novel, she and her sister City of New York managed to be graceful and yacht-like.
Reply if you love oriana and canberra Edit oriana is beautiful because she had so much deck space for passengers The view from her forward decks must have been incredible As for the funnels they are different decks but why not its gives her a unique silhouette something other ships of her time lack especially cunard liners
Amazing video! And thank you for thinking of your viewers and giving us something to watch. Have a amazing weekend And look forward to your next upload 😊🔥
Personally, I do not believe that there is such thing as an ‘ugliest’ ship. I think that each vessel, no matter how unique it might be, has its own charm, and no doubt has their fair share of supporters! I feel as though the saying “One mans trash is another mans treasure” applies perfectly to this.
@@TheGreatBigMove for sure, and it was indeed fun to hear about your opinions on these unique vessels, not a lot of people do videos like these. Great work on this video! 🙂
The Matsonia would look quite nice if the funnel was placed further forward! Johan Van Oldenbarnervelt needs taller funnels. QM2 is just a floating hotel! The Great Eastern is easily the worst looking of the lot! I quite like the Oriana, other than that hideous stern! All in all, a well selected range of bad looking ships there! Thanks for the upload!
That stem in Oriana was great. The top has a huge area for sitting or playing games, fantastic when leaving port and underneath was two great rooms. The huge stern gallery lounge and bar with sheer windows and the children’s playroom and pool one deck below.
@@andyrob3259 It may well have been functionally fantastic, however I just don't like the look of it. No logic or practical thought to my view, just purely based on my opinion of the aesthetics of it.
I quite like the Oriana, and that "Honeycomb Stern" (actually, it's called a "Gallery Stern") was mandatory on all Australian-Run ships to provide some escape from the heat in the Red Sea. The naval architect had a house overlooking Sydney Harbour that looked identical! I really liked the Oriana's older fleetmates, the Orcades III and Oronsay. In contrast, I find the saggy old Canberra's "heavy browed" look quite disproportionate. I think the QM2 should have been second or third on the list, after that Dollar ship and some of the other older cargo/passenger combos.
I agree. I’m an shocked Oriana was on here. She was not only innovative for her time, she was an absolutely lovely ship to sail in with great interiors. I actually think the Canberra was ugly - very bulky and very squat. In many ways reminiscent of modern too heavy cruise ships of today.
I wouldnt be suprised if number #3 was a ferry. I'm saying #3 because im too lazy to spell that crazy name. Edit: I have a number 6 xd: It is SS Oceana of 1887. The funnels are too thin, the funnel is too high, the super structure is so small, and in 1887, i wouldve preferred an inman line ship, like SS City of New York.
I personally find the SS Athenic my second favorite liner, she was beautifull in my eyes, I would also have to say the Le’Atlantique is also one of my favorites, but we all have our opinions.
All a matter of opinion but I think the Oriana was actually one of the more beautiful of the post-war ocean liners, along with the Canberra. The QM2 is an acquired taste but I've grown to rather like her looks too. So much more graceful looking than most of the ghastly cruise ships built in the past 20 years. P&O have really lost their way on design with the Ventura, Britannia and the Iona.
I agree. I’m an shocked Oriana was on here. She was not only innovative for her time, she was an absolutely lovely ship to sail in with great interiors. Looks of open deck space. And great observation areas. I actually think the Canberra was ugly - very bulky and very squat. In many ways reminiscent of modern too heavy cruise ships of today.
From some angles, Queen Mary 2 looks quite elegant; from others, it looks like a horizontal skyscraper. Overall, I like her lines and would strike her from this list.
(Before anyone gives me their life story this is MY personal opinion, The Great Big Move is one of my favorite channels and I’ll continue to watch and support this channel!) I’m sorry but Queen Mary 2 should not be up here, you can’t judge her from oceanliners of the past to now because she herself is technically an ocean liner, she was built to look more modern mainly because of the environment she travels in. The bow is triangular to withstand and to divert waves when she loops around South America via Cape Horn. The balconies were a nice addition to the classic ocean liner so that guests can enjoy private outdoor space and there is plenty of room in outdoor and indoor public spaces for guests to socialize.
I've liked this comment based purely on the fact that it is incredibly funny. But thinking about it now it wouldn't be quite so humorous unless there was a grain of truth in it.
President Polk (2:58) - the ship appears to be sinking. Matsonia (4:40-5:02) - this doesn't make sense, unless the engine room is forward of the boiler room: is this the case?
I was about to take issue with some of the choices, compared to today's floating multi storey carparks, until I twigged that liners and cruise ships are not the same thing, so now it makes sense!
yes, whilst there is a difference, 'passenger ships' usually being built for purpose, it was often the case that their role would change depending where the profit lay, hence the QE2 did world cruises from 1975 in the northern winter to avoid the bad north Atlantic weather, as did a lot of passengers, but it was not a good cruise ship. As a former Steward on 7 'passenger ships" in the 1970's (QE2, Canberra & Oriana amongst them) I don't disagree that Oriana lacked the aesthetic flow of the others, but it was always one of my favorites. callsign GVSN, the big 'O'.
I can remember being up late of a night and discovering an officer leaving a passengers cabin with a very guilty look on his face!!! I loved that ship! :-D
Another ugly ocean liner would probably be the SS Minnekadha, launched in 1917, because, honestly, it looks so horrible, like as if the superstructure collapsed. This is because it does not really have a superstructure, mostly because it has a small bridge superstructure, and the funnel literally is on sticking out of the hull! Idk what kind of ship design that is, but, honestly, the stern is nearly straight, at about nearly 10 degrees on the opposite side than the titanic stern. That ship is honestly so ugly awful looking.
my late great uncle harry was 1 st vent officer aboard oriania , he spent along time at vickers in barrow while she was being built , he loved her , he started as junior officer for canadian pacific aboard empress of japan in 1941 , moving to duchess of bedford in 1943 . he then left to join the orient line and the orontes , he was a charming whitty man , uncle jack spent most of his war aboard ss gleniffer , alfred holt and co . smashing films . love them ,. god bless from wigan . lancashire . england .
I think the problem with the Matsonia is that the funnel is nearly three quarters of the way back. If the funnel was nearer amidships it would look much better.
The Ward Line Sisters Morro Castle 1930 & Oriente 1930 were fairly homely and crazy dangerously constructed in my opinion. I have no idea what was going on with their fantail design. I like your list they are some real dogs
Which ocean liner do YOU think takes the title of ugliest? Let us know!
SS Oriana, SS Canberra, SS Southern Cross etc.
We shall wait for the premiere then.. cant wait
Definitely the SS Oriana, that ship is just a mess in terms of looks, SS Raffaelo and Michelangelo also go on that list of ugly ships.
SS Oriana and SS Queen Elizabeth 2 (she looks far better as MV QE2, but hideous as she was first built)
@@CronosDarth really I like them
I didn't know such controversial and hot-button issues existed in the ocean liner aesthetics community
If you hadn't seen the debates between liner and cruise ship, yeah, it can get kinda toxic. 😅
Oh yes,Ocean Liners are Gods gift and cruise ships should be banned.
Welcome to the internet:-)
Yeah, I'm trying to understand this ocean liner worship
I hope everyone agrees Normandie is definitely not beautiful.
That dollar symbol on the dollar star line ship makes it look like some private owned pimp ship.
The Prehistoric Pimpmobile
True Though 😂
Absolutely hideous.
mhm.
Lol the dollar sign on the funnel is so dam funny
Before watching: They are still way more beautiful than today`s Cruse ships
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I agree
@@Kevinrietveld128 I know I could write this more clearly
Very true
I only disagree about Great Eastern and QM2. I recognize Great Eastern is odd - but it's so brutish and aggressive in its appearance it's a win for me. It makes me think of smoggy Victorian factories, but in a good way if that makes sense. It's steampunk before steampunk existed. QM2 I think is an unfair placement here because to me any modern ship will lose a looks contest with its older, classic counterparts. We were never going to get a classic ocean liner out of QM2, but given that limitation, she's by far the most attractive modern passenger ship constructed. She's leagues ahead of anything else sailing today.
Love your channel!
I agree completely with your assessment. Your description of the "Great Eastern" is spot on. I think the QM2 is doomed aesthetically by being compared to the original QM. She's basically a Cruise Ship slightly disguised as an Ocean Liner.
i also agreee.
I agree the QM2 is beautiful
I absolutely love the Great Eastern’s design.
@@j.kevvideoproductions.6463The Queen Mary 2 is an Ocean liner in every way!
She is no Cruise ship!
She is 100% built as an Ocean liner and has many differences to other ugly cruise ships
Ngl the great eastern is one of those, "so ugly its cool" scenarios. I like how it looks just because its so unique looking
I hear you on that
If the Great Eastern had a superstructure, It probably would have been the biggest ship at the time.
@@nicholaskolaric343 I am pretty sure it was anyway.
It's like a steampunk fever dream, but it actually existed.
@@nicholaskolaric343 It was the biggest ship in the world anyway,
Believe it or not, Great Eastern is actually one of my favourite ocean liners because of the aesthetics. It looks like a prehistoric beast about to unleash its full power.
Imagine if she was (somehow) successful.
Ie some big shot managed to convince people that her survival against storms was proof of safety, maybe even arfter her cable laying period someone managed to use her age and service record to bassicly say “hey look! This big ship has traveled all the oceans and survived the worse storms, why you’d have to be a fool in believing she is unsafe!”
"It looks like a prehistoric beast about to unleash its full power" Very well put!!
A prehistoric beast. That is actually the perfect way to put it and the way that I've always thought of her but never in words. She really was more or less just that; the first true superliner before the age of superliners and a beast that, were she actually a living thing, I could definitely see pictures of in cave walls. :D
Well she did very nearly get given the name "Leviathan" ;-)
yes
While I definitely have to disagree with quite a bit of this list (QM2, Athenic, Great Eastern and Oriana come to mind, they are beautiful vessels), it was certainly interesting to hear your points and opinions about them, as well as your comparisons and how you would improve them
Fair enough. I will say that, in hindsight, I would have put Athenic higher on the list or taken her off altogether.
@@TheGreatBigMove I suppose with Athenic, I personally like the messy superstructure aesthetic that many liners of the period shared. It differentiates them and makes them more unique in comparison to the cleaner likes of Olympic and Lusitania
I find L’Atlantique one of my favourite liners with her larger funnels but I do admit that the superstructure needed a bit more shape but my favourite part of the ship is her interior
I must disagree whit Queen Mary 2 I think its one of the most beautiful ocean liners
True
She is also the only true LINER in operation in the world today. Elizabeth and Victoria are cruise ships. QM2 is the only transatlantic any weather any time of the year passenger ship today. Cruise ships can cross the Atlantic but only if the weather forecast permits. She does also do cruises but unable to enter some harbours that cruise ships go because of her deep draught. ( Hull below the waterline). She is unique and as you say beautiful.
@@rubberyowen1469 she have No sister ships
@@rubberyowen1469why are they Called sister ship when dont look the same
@@daze00k Because they are not twins. 🤣 Don't worry about it or try google to find out if it bothers you. 👍
I love this list. QM2 is one of my favs though but maybe that's just because she's the only ocean liner I'll ever be able to actually sail on?
Big Old Boats im a big fan.
Me too
This is a video I didn't know I wanted
4:33
Even the Clemson class destroyer in the background looks better XD
My only issue with the QM2 is the age comparisons. The QM2 is beautiful for its time (as noted). You can’t compare her though to an Olympic, or a Mauritania. Because they’re two different eras. This is the equivalent of comparing a Jaguar E-Type with a Tesla. In their respective time periods, they each have their own beauty. But comparing them over time periods next to each other, is unfair. Regardless, very happy you put out a video, even if I slightly disagreed. Keep up the good work.
Even Enzo Ferrari thought the E-Type was the most beautiful car. Great comparison....
If you built her in the “Golden Age”, she would still be ugly.
What’s your issue with Quartermaster 2nd Classes? ;P
Even when compared to modern cars Teslas are hella ugly, one must be blind to like them
@@mechanicalbird282 Haha! Always thought Tesla sedans had their unique innovative beauty - but how 'bout that Cyber Truck? Gonna be the Pacer, Aztec of the future.
if there's one thing us Ship fanatics are very sensitive about, its Ship Designs
Totally agree with your points on the Qm2. Although she might be one of the prettier ships afloat today, she looks like an oversized box compared to the original Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth.
And take as long of a break as you need, we'll be here when your back and firing on all cylinders!
L' Atantique looks like an oversized early 1900's Great Lakes cruise ship.
Sort of.
More like a cabin cruiser in my mind. I forgot to mention, I'd honestly put the MV Britannic in this video. Not really a fan of cabin cruisers and that's just because they look kinda flat and boxy to me. The only reason I didn't include the Georgic is because she at least had curves. :)
Very that
Easy on the great lakes steamers...they are unique in the world!
Oh don't get my wrong, they are.
I'm just saying that it resembles a great lakes ship, which is not inherently a bad thing.
I think Queen Mary 2 shouldn't have been on here. Sure, it doesn't look as good as the ships from 100 years ago, but it can't, either. It is a hybrid of an ocean liner and cruise ship, and I think the interiors look great. It also has the traditional stern and the bridge is at least somewhat far from the bow and not just straight above. I'm pretty sure there are now rules that the bridge has to be a certain distance from the bow. Either way, she's not just a big floating box. So some exterior aesthetics had to be sacrificed to allow the modern comforts and amenities of ships, and although a far cry from say, the Lusitania of a 100 years earlier, still she maintains some of the ocean liner style.
Yes
It's a new age of liners so it's basically impossible to have a new liner look like its predecessors.
The part that hit me the hardest had to be when you put the QM2 into this list because I think she is beautiful and she’s my favorite true ocean liner of all time.
Though I think QM2 could use a greater sheer, second funnel, and a longer bow, I’d still ace to say she’s a very beautiful ship in my opinion. This is controversial to say, but I’d say as luxurious and glamorous as Normandie was, I do think her funnels and bow could have used a slightly more traditional aesthetic. But, as I said I still absolutely love Normandie! ❤️🚢
QM2 could look like an actual ocean liner.
Hands down the Normandie to date was the most beautiful ocean liner ever💕
@@maryloulong6789 no
@@mikemancini313 no? she just looks like any old cruise ship pretending to be an ocean liner.
@@mikemancini313 so?
QM2 appears elegant from some angles of view yet ugly from others, so I agree she isn’t the most aesthetic externally. The first Oriana definitely deserves the first place as most ugly ocean liner. She appears to have been designed by a very large discordant team, creating a ‘house that jack built’ appearance, which is strange given the more appropriate appearance of her smaller predecessors such as Orcades. I’d love to know what was on their minds when they patched that design together!
My family and I crossed the Pacific in the '60s on the Oriana and us kids had a blast running around the "ugly honeycomb steer" decks, which, on modern cruse liners, are taken up with aft balcony cabins or other facilities. More open deck space then. While in Fiji, the Canberra was docked next to us, and I wasn't too young to appreciate the beauty of that vessel. Way ahead of its time. We were on its ugly sister I guess! Great memories.
I think the Athenic is very pretty.
I wasn’t expecting the QM2 on the list. She’s my favorite ship ever lmao
This list is just one person's opinion. It is generally accepted that QM2 one of the finest Ocean Liners ever built. It is widely regarded as a most beautiful ship and is greeted as such wherever it sails around the world! It has the aesthetic of liners in the true tradition. I disagree with the comments made in this video.
@@kaamkmca I vehemently disagree, it has the aesthetic of your run of the mill modern cruise ship IMHO
To be honest she deserves a true sister Poseidon from the movie "POSEIDON" (2006) would be a good one! It just needs a bigger bow...
@@kaamkmca It looks like a Cruise Ship. It carries on the tradition of being a work of mechanical marvel, and be the last of it’s kind, but it still looks ugly.
@@NoaZeevi agreed. The technology is great but if you paint it in Carnival colors it'll fit right into their fleet.
I agree with most of these but I would swap out QM2 with the Southern Cross
My hope is that a future vlog video will talk about your picks for the greatest names for ocean liners and why said names were so brilliant.
Okay, I think putting Oriana bellow great eastern is doing a great disservice.
I can understand that point
I think the Oriana was beautiful.
@@andyrob3259 She’s not my type of ship, but she’s definitely more aesthetically appealing than the Great Eastern.
I still can’t believe SS Pasteur isn’t on this list.
@@andyrob3259 Yes she was for her time and she could really crank up those engines usually at night! I believe she still holds the record for the fastest passenger ship to sail to Australia. The golden Cockerel award was always proudly displayed above the bridge when entering a port! She was one of the last ships to have a 2 class passenger status and became fully open class in the 70's I think! I would sail on her again in a heart beat if she still existed today! :-)
@@TheGreatBigMove my dad worked on the oriana
Queen Mary 2 is a gorgeous ship easily one of the best looking ocean liners to date
I agree
@@lavender7 I also fully agree with you. We are not alone with this view!
I personally disagree with the choice of Great Eastern, especially at Number 2, but I mean that in the most respectful way possible 😂. I am personally a huge fan of the look and it is mostly due to Great Eastern’s very Victorian design. I know the look is not for everyone and I do understand why you chose to put her at your number 2. I however, personally hold that she introduced luxury to the 7 Seas with her stunning interior. Love the show and I love your videos, keep doing what your doing man!
I should have started the video by clarifying that this particular video is taking into consideration only exterior design. I might do a video in the future on best and worst interiors. Thanks for watching!
The Oriana really deserves that first place on this list. It looks like a ship I would have drawn as a 5 year old. The only one I really must disagree with is the Great Eastern. I really love the way she looks. The lack of tall superstructures gives her a sleek look, and I especially like the mix of steam ship and sailing ship aesthetics. While other similar vessels either looked like a sailing ship with funnels or like a steam ship with sails, I think the Great Eastern managed to find a sweet spot in the middle. Anyways, great video as always!
Personally, Great Eastern is actually very beautiful in my opinion, with the 5 funnels, paddles, huge hull, multiple masts. I am glad that Aquitania, Queen Mary and Seeandbee did not make it on the list. Also, most of the ships on this list I still thought looked great, but the Matsonia and Oriana.
I don't think Seeandbee is considered an ocean liner, however I do agree it's beautiful
I 100% agree.
I think that Johan Van Oldenbarnevelt was extensively rebuilt later in her life, which majorly increased the height of the funnels, rebuilt most if the super structure, and added a few masts here and there, which to me really improved her aesthetic
Great Eastern was such an incredibly amazing ship her ugliness just adds to her appeal.
To me President Polk looks like it was designed by the same person as the icebreaker Mackinaw.
She is one of that group of vessels known as cargo liners, leads to too many demands on deck space, but look at the Union Castle ships 1950- 1970 same function not as ugly, quite stylish in their own way.
God, I thought I was alone in thinking the Queen Mary 2 was a bit homely. XD She looks more like a toy boat to me, if that makes any sense... the rounded edges of her superstructure and body, and how she looks more like a cruise ship with black paint than a traditional liner. Like something you'd see bobbing around in a bathtub than cutting the waves across the Atlantic. What a fun video, there were some truly gnarly ships on here! That one really long ship with the single little funnel killed me, that one is definitely my favorite on this list. Absolute marvel of nautical design, right there. XD
When I was a kid back in the 50's, 60's, liners were admired for their beauty even by non-travelers. They were floating works of art to be admired. Except Oriana, which was not just ugly, but "circus ugly". And sometimes, the intended route, cargo type and loading facility, passenger manifest, harbor restrictions (draft, low bridges, etc.) dictate the final design which may look odd.
Thanks for choosing my idea lol. I didn’t know anything could go lower than Imperator in your book, then again, I didn’t know of half of this list.
I must say I was astonished having found a ship rated more ugly than the GE!... And why ORIANA?... Compared to GE, she is of Miss World class!!
Not a bad list, though I would have left QM2 out of it, as I see her more as a hybrid than a true liner.
Yeah she may be a liner structurally speaking but is a cruise ship from a functional standpoint
@@Pelley4560 She is the only true Liner in the world at this time. All others are cruise ships and there is a very big difference regardless of looks.
@@rubberyowen1469 right I know. And as I said physically it’s a liner but it functions as a cruise ship.
@@Pelley4560 Oh dear, have I upset you? No other passenger ship is capable of going transatlantic in any weather at any time of the year except QM2. Because of her draught, she cannot enter some harbours that cruise ships do but she does do cruises as well. I am as you are entitled to my own views on this stream. People calling cruise ships liners is also annoying as many people do. QM2 doesn't always function as a cruise ship as you say she does. Sorry if you are in any way offended but facts are facts. A liner is a liner and not a cruise ship. Ask any shipbuilder.
@@rubberyowen1469 I wasn’t offered rather amused. That being said when I was originally responding to the original comment that stated they saw the qm2 as a hybrid I agreed in that she is a liner from an engineering standpoint yet her purpose is to cruise. Her passengers are there to cruise and have a good time not simply for the sole purpose of transportation like a liner of yesteryear or an airplane today. That is what I meant. While I guess for many people’s vacations be it on a cruise in the Caribbean or qm2 going to new York and/or the UK, they are their to transport but the it’s definitely about the journey not just the destinations when it comes to passenger ships in today’s world.
Fun comment section! Liner aficionados have passionate hearts, and this topic is like smacking a beehive. Hee hee hee. I've found my people at last. Of course, everyone is right: the eye of the beholder.
Well said
Late to the party here, but am going down the comment rabbit hole too. Fun.
I have a soft spot for the Oriana. She was the first ship I travelled on, in 1984, quite late in her career. Yes, she looked ponderous compared with other ships, and by then her interiors were dated and sad looking, but she was still a magnificent lady who had served Orient/P&O well.
Say is isn't so! The Oriana?! An unapologetic expression of maritime engineering and design, but I can see your point ;)
There's a fair bit of heritage in her design if you look at earlier Orient line ships. I think she's wonderful but most beautiful in her original, corn coloured hull Orient line livery :)
Agreed100%!! I sailed on her 3 times in the 70's. A bit stark perhaps and looked like a battle cruiser but she was fast! Loads of space for passengers unlike todays leviathans that are overcrowded on the main decks. She had a massive following of loyal passengers and was a great ship. I agree with your comment on her heritage as she was the natural progression to her older but much loved sister's. :-)
I agree. I’m an shocked
Oriana was on here. She was not only innovative for her time, she was an absolutely lovely ship to sail in with great interiors. I actually think the Canberra was ugly - very bulky and very squat. In many ways reminiscent of modern too heavy cruise ships of today.
I hate the rear end of the oriana
@@ryan8960 I can see why you would think that but it was a common design for many ships at the time. These days of course every space available has cabins bunged in for maximum profit. The Oriana's stern 'basket like' arrangement did in fact have a very practical application. During rough weather when it was unpleasant to be up on the open decks, passengers could retreat to the stern area that was comparatively shielded from the weather but still able to be enjoy the open air. It must be remembered that Oriana was built for speed unlike the massive hotels of today that lumber along! The lifeboats being tucked away was a relatively new innovation and prevented much of the worst weather from attacking the Davit gear that needed constant maintenance. After sailing on many more modern ships I can still say that the Oriana was one of my favourite's for many reasons. :-)
I think you are spot on. I too like that we still have true Ocean Liner in QM2 but profit drives design. I think it would interesting to see if you find any cruise ships today beautiful.
Interesting selection and perspective. For sure beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I enjoyed the pictures and your comments.
I thought you did a pretty decent job. I was glad you handled the QM2 the way you did and I agree. My first trip on a ship was 1968. I then had 11 sailings on the QE2, a knock out ship...Then, the QM, just to try it, I was not 'wowed' by its looks. And yes, It was great crossing the Atlantic, however, it is primarily a cruise ship with a hug to the liner past.
A liner, of course, today would not make it. So I think they did about the best they could...although, a little more attention to the eye candy bit would have helped.
It works as both.
QM2 is not a cruise ship disguised as an ocean liner, she’s a REAL ocean liner!!
This list is like the Queen Mary to me. I don’t agree with all of it but I’m super happy it exists. Keep posting great ship content.
My excitement is immeasurable
Have to totally disagree with you regarding Oriana. She was quite simply magnificent. To begin to appreciate her design you have to look at her predecessors Orcades, Oronsay and Orsova. I have spent time stuying both Oriana and Canberra, and have sailed on both. Looks can be deceptive, Oriana was far more aerodynamically efficient. Of the two she was the faster and internally the more attractive. Her owners, Orient Line, were always more design focussed and more bold that P&O Line. Hence the more radical designs of their ships of the 1950s over those of P&O.
Oriana was unique ... I have a 60s unopened Revell model of her I'll get round to building one day 😊. BTW, I traveled on both orig. Queens and SS United States as a wee lad end of their service 😁, unforgettable
Very interesting list, though I do disagree with your first choice. If I were to suggest an ugly ocean liner, it would be SS Félix Roussel or MS George’s Philippar of the Shipping line, Messageries Maritimes. Aside from patchy and cluttered superstructures and open decks, both had a set of two square-shaped funnels. Let me know what you think of them.
I am amazed that these vessels are not at the top of the list! The square funnels with those very odd caps!
@@nicholaskelly6375 that basically rivels with Georgic & Britannic's funnels lol
Yes those 2 ships were pretty appalling.
I cannot argue with that because the Georges Philippars funnels were square and not round which is so akward.
Me: CITY OF PARIS???
Me (later): Oh, that one.
I thought the same: Not the Inman Line ship. While the barrel vault skylights forward were certainly novel, she and her sister City of New York managed to be graceful and yacht-like.
Reply if you love oriana and canberra
Edit oriana is beautiful because she had so much deck space for passengers
The view from her forward decks must have been incredible
As for the funnels they are different decks but why not its gives her a unique silhouette something other ships of her time lack especially cunard liners
I love em
Props for your courage in including Oriana. She is weird-looking as heck but, as you acknowledge, much beloved, so props for calling that one fairly.
Casual inspection reveals no "your mother" joke.
Very impressive!
Amazing video! And thank you for thinking of your viewers and giving us something to watch. Have a amazing weekend And look forward to your next upload 😊🔥
Even the ugliest ocean liner is a beauty queen compared to today's 'monster' cruise ships.
Disney’s look adequate (for lack of a better term), but other than that i completely agree with you.
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Was she also known as ss maui ?
Still, for a modern ship I think Queen Mary 2 is a beautiful ship. Apart from that your list is good and I agree with most of it.
The Oriana looks like it's missing hull plates in the stern.
Or in the process of being scraped
In my opinion, most of the ugly ocean liners are many created in the late 50s and 60s
Ikr
Personally, I do not believe that there is such thing as an ‘ugliest’ ship. I think that each vessel, no matter how unique it might be, has its own charm, and no doubt has their fair share of supporters! I feel as though the saying “One mans trash is another mans treasure” applies perfectly to this.
That's definitely true. I don't mean this to be a serious video by any means, but rather something quick and fun to get people engaged.
@@TheGreatBigMove for sure, and it was indeed fun to hear about your opinions on these unique vessels, not a lot of people do videos like these. Great work on this video! 🙂
Thank You for using My topic proposal!
The QM2 is the most beautiful modern passenger ship. And that's all that should be said about her
Fully agree!
The Matsonia would look quite nice if the funnel was placed further forward! Johan Van Oldenbarnervelt needs taller funnels. QM2 is just a floating hotel! The Great Eastern is easily the worst looking of the lot! I quite like the Oriana, other than that hideous stern! All in all, a well selected range of bad looking ships there! Thanks for the upload!
That stem in Oriana was great. The top has a huge area for sitting or playing games, fantastic when leaving port and underneath was two great rooms. The huge stern gallery lounge and bar with sheer windows and the children’s playroom and pool one deck below.
@@andyrob3259 It may well have been functionally fantastic, however I just don't like the look of it. No logic or practical thought to my view, just purely based on my opinion of the aesthetics of it.
Great List!!!! Can't wait for your next video!!!!
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the Johan van Oldebarneveldt was later converted to a cruise ship, and did get taller funnels, doing much good to her silohute.
What's your opinion on the SS Atlantic's exterior? (The 1871 WSL ship btw)
She’s beautiful like all ships of her time
I love all ship designs inside and out
meh, 6/10. funnel's too small, and it looks too thin for how long it is.
@@amxelcbis4464 Actually, her hull has the same ratio of many ships such as the Titanic :) (Well extremely close)
Her interiors were magnificient tho
I quite like the Oriana, and that "Honeycomb Stern" (actually, it's called a "Gallery Stern") was mandatory on all Australian-Run ships to provide some escape from the heat in the Red Sea. The naval architect had a house overlooking Sydney Harbour that looked identical! I really liked the Oriana's older fleetmates, the Orcades III and Oronsay. In contrast, I find the saggy old Canberra's "heavy browed" look quite disproportionate.
I think the QM2 should have been second or third on the list, after that Dollar ship and some of the other older cargo/passenger combos.
I agree. I’m an shocked
Oriana was on here. She was not only innovative for her time, she was an absolutely lovely ship to sail in with great interiors. I actually think the Canberra was ugly - very bulky and very squat. In many ways reminiscent of modern too heavy cruise ships of today.
@@andyrob3259 The interiors were not at all a factor,
I wouldnt be suprised if number #3 was a ferry. I'm saying #3 because im too lazy to spell that crazy name.
Edit: I have a number 6 xd: It is SS Oceana of 1887. The funnels are too thin, the funnel is too high, the super structure is so small, and in 1887, i wouldve preferred an inman line ship, like SS City of New York.
The Southern Cross might be a contender..
I personally find the SS Athenic my second favorite liner, she was beautifull in my eyes, I would also have to say the Le’Atlantique is also one of my favorites, but we all have our opinions.
Unpopular opinion: QE2 looked terrible after her refit. The current funnel is aesthetically too large and appears out of place.
The ugliest liner is still 10x more beautiful than these ugly modern cruisers. Ugh.
Always happy when I see a new upload :)
Controversial, picking QM2! But I agree with your assessment.
Yeah that part hit me hard! The QM2 is my favorite ship of all time
I agree with you but not with the Queen Mary 2
Athenic is absolutely gorgeous 😍
disney saw this video and thought "damn how can we top this?"
Finally more content !
All a matter of opinion but I think the Oriana was actually one of the more beautiful of the post-war ocean liners, along with the Canberra. The QM2 is an acquired taste but I've grown to rather like her looks too. So much more graceful looking than most of the ghastly cruise ships built in the past 20 years. P&O have really lost their way on design with the Ventura, Britannia and the Iona.
I agree. I’m an shocked
Oriana was on here. She was not only innovative for her time, she was an absolutely lovely ship to sail in with great interiors. Looks of open deck space. And great observation areas. I actually think the Canberra was ugly - very bulky and very squat. In many ways reminiscent of modern too heavy cruise ships of today.
Now we need to have a list of the ugliest cruise ships
I plan to do that eventually
fully agree on the Queen Mary 2
I literally recoiled in disgust when I saw the Johan Van Oldenbarnevelt.
Just got around to viewing this video and it's quite funny! Nice work!
I’ll be honest - you lost me at QM2 🥺 - but what a good way to get engagement 🙌
Haha spot on
That wasn’t my goal, but you’re right about that haha.
@@TheGreatBigMove 🤣 always a nice little bonus!
From some angles, Queen Mary 2 looks quite elegant; from others, it looks like a horizontal skyscraper. Overall, I like her lines and would strike her from this list.
the queen mary 2 is absolutely beautiful
(Before anyone gives me their life story this is MY personal opinion, The Great Big Move is one of my favorite channels and I’ll continue to watch and support this channel!)
I’m sorry but Queen Mary 2 should not be up here, you can’t judge her from oceanliners of the past to now because she herself is technically an ocean liner, she was built to look more modern mainly because of the environment she travels in. The bow is triangular to withstand and to divert waves when she loops around South America via Cape Horn. The balconies were a nice addition to the classic ocean liner so that guests can enjoy private outdoor space and there is plenty of room in outdoor and indoor public spaces for guests to socialize.
I don’t agree, but I appreciate your (and seemingly everyone else’s) perspective on this. Thanks for your continued support!
Couldn’t agree more when you said all ocean liners have elegance and beauty , but some have some issues
The Canberra and Oriana should take every position on this list
I've liked this comment based purely on the fact that it is incredibly funny. But thinking about it now it wouldn't be quite so humorous unless there was a grain of truth in it.
President Polk (2:58) - the ship appears to be sinking. Matsonia (4:40-5:02) - this doesn't make sense, unless the engine room is forward of the boiler room: is this the case?
I was about to take issue with some of the choices, compared to today's floating multi storey carparks, until I twigged that liners and cruise ships are not the same thing, so now it makes sense!
yes, whilst there is a difference, 'passenger ships' usually being built for purpose, it was often the case that their role would change depending where the profit lay, hence the QE2 did world cruises from 1975 in the northern winter to avoid the bad north Atlantic weather, as did a lot of passengers, but it was not a good cruise ship.
As a former Steward on 7 'passenger ships" in the 1970's (QE2, Canberra & Oriana amongst them) I don't disagree that Oriana lacked the aesthetic flow of the others, but it was always one of my favorites.
callsign GVSN, the big 'O'.
I took a South Pacific cruise on Oriana when I was 16. I have fond memories staying up late, drinking and kissing and...
I can remember being up late of a night and discovering an officer leaving a passengers cabin with a very guilty look on his face!!! I loved that ship! :-D
"There are no ugly ships. Only ugly designers."
Another ugly ocean liner would probably be the SS Minnekadha, launched in 1917, because, honestly, it looks so horrible, like as if the superstructure collapsed. This is because it does not really have a superstructure, mostly because it has a small bridge superstructure, and the funnel literally is on sticking out of the hull! Idk what kind of ship design that is, but, honestly, the stern is nearly straight, at about nearly 10 degrees on the opposite side than the titanic stern. That ship is honestly so ugly awful looking.
Well saying ferries are ugly just convinces me you haven't seen any nordic cruise ferries, they are beautiful
I don't agree with you at all. But I think you are absolutely wrong about the Oriana.
But I still love the video!
what i don't get with Oriana is that second funnel that is shorter than the one just aft of the bridge. Is it trying to do a QM2?
my late great uncle harry was 1 st vent officer aboard oriania , he spent along time at vickers in barrow while she was being built , he loved her , he started as junior officer for canadian pacific aboard empress of japan in 1941 , moving to duchess of bedford in 1943 . he then left to join the orient line and the orontes , he was a charming whitty man , uncle jack spent most of his war aboard ss gleniffer , alfred holt and co . smashing films . love them ,. god bless from wigan . lancashire . england .
I think the problem with the Matsonia is that the funnel is nearly three quarters of the way back. If the funnel was nearer amidships it would look much better.
The Ward Line Sisters Morro Castle 1930 & Oriente 1930 were fairly homely and crazy dangerously constructed in my opinion. I have no idea what was going on with their fantail design.
I like your list they are some real dogs
Ugliest for me was always the Great Eastern