@@richardglenn997 that pile of metal is almost like a whale beached on the sea itself. Calling it beautiful is the most absurd statement I've ever heard.
Basically, Ocean liners put more emphasis on MAKING good time, while cruise ships put more emphasis on HAVING a good time. Wow, 750+ likes? I’m flattered! That’s never happened for me before. Now it’s 1000 likes. Wow!
@@michaelmurray7199 That's the goal! Hopefully these short videos can give people 8-15 minutes of entertainment at a time during this unusual situation we find ourselves in.
@@praveenneevarp4822 no they aren't, modern cruise ship can't withstand long periods of time in the ocean, Ocean liners are supposed to withstand crazy waves and weather
The major problem with cruise ships is if they encounter a rogue wave, there’s a greater likelihood of it capsizing. The above deck superstructure is basically straight up and nearly rail to rail. In contrast the ocean liner is a triangular above deck structure that accentuates stability in heavy seas due to the lower and narrower center of gravity.
Depends on the ship's position of ships if it was either on starboard or port then there is a high risk of capsize another factor would be weather the stronger the storm the greater the chance of rouge wave
That's not true., I've been in rough seas on a cruise ship for months and even though it rocks I never once felt it would tilt and go down. These ships built to take a beating in harsh weather, the only thing is the people on board will feel it to some extent. There's A reason every recent cruise sinking or tilting was due to the ships being damaged from hitting rocks.
Agreed, those days only ships were mainly needed to go somewhere, so they made those ships more durable and perform better but minimising comfort and space. Now we have developed air transport for long distance travel. So we don't need tough good performing ships anymore. Why to travel on water if there's waves predicted, and hey if it's about the experience between cruisers and liners on a casual water, definitely the modern cruisers are a better go...
Having travelled Trans Atlantic on the QE2 as well as having gone on two cruises, I can say I far prefer ocean liners. In 1976, we hit a storm mid-Atlantic on QE2. She handled it beautifully. There was another worse one in 1978 in which a large number of plates in the galley were broken. The perfume shop also suffered major damage (bottles broken, etc). I cannot imagine a cruise ship being able to handle a storm of that magnitude. To me, they look top heavy. I would be afraid of it broaching or even capsizing! A little dramatic probably but I would be very nervous in bad weather on a cruise ship.
They definitely would not be able to handle very String storms but they are designed in that way because they mostly sail on calmer waters in the Pacific Caribbean or Mediterranean
@@sirankleknocker3122 Well you would think that. But cruise ferries generally run line traffic. On a scheduled bases usually between two harbors, but sometimes 3 or 4. That would make them more of a liner i would say.
It just shows a lack of critical thinking. It was a time before viable passenger-carrying airplanes, so how did people get across oceans and seas? By ship, of course. Thanks for watching!
TL;DW: Ocean Liners were transports first, with the primary function being to get people from one side of the ocean to the other; the purpose is the destination, not the voyage. Cruise Ships are vacation vessels, with the main function being to have a good time, not just to get from one destination to the other; the purpose is the voyage itself.
In the late fifties the Shaw Saville company, part of Furness Withy, hit upon the near perfect cruise ship design. Their 3 vessels, Northern Star, Southern cross , Ocean Monarch,, were all designed with their funnels at the very stern of the ship. This overcame the , not insignificant problem of wasting vital sun decck space. Furthermore, as the ladies , cruising on these vessels, were in the habit of wearing fine ball gowns in the evening, it overcame the problem of soot smuts emanating from the funnel, and soiling their grandiose outfits. That revolutionised cruising. But sadly , air travel overtook the market, leasing to the demise of these 3 ships by 1980. I hope this is of interest to some of you.
What the f*** dude? What if people who LIKE cruise ships (like me) better than ocean liners and see this comment? Like, do I have to spend all afternoon looking through these comments? Seriously, I've been here answering commenta since an HOUR ago.
Joey's Gaming No, the comments just like bashing cruise ships. Not all of them, of course, but if you scroll a bit you’ll see people going “cruise ship loom like block!!”
That started in a magazine or newspaper about Titanic prior to setting sail that "she was practically unsinkable" and it turned into unsinkable by the public, the owners never called their ships unsinkable, that is plain stupid.
if you REALLY want an unsinkable ship, just say, “This ship is going to immediately sink. It sucks. It’ll last a week.” Your ship will be there for around 40 years
Ocean liner = an all weather heavily built ship with a hotel shoved inside her skin. A cruise ship = a hotel with a water proof skin built around it. Give me the Ocean liner any day!
In the 60s my family traveled repeatedly by ocean liner between NYC and Buenos Aires. It was a civilized, relaxing alternative to flying with plenty for kids and adults to do. We traveled on the liners both as part of longer vacations and also to relocate our household (pets included). The ships were of the Moore-McCormack line. Your video brought back lots of wonderful memories. (And by the way, I’ve never set foot on a cruise ship nor will I ever. Shudder.)
Yeah... and made people that didn't know this difference feel like idiots. Who on Earth would need to know this. Most esoteric and random piece of knowledge ever!
I actually had the privilege of sailing on the S.S. Norway in 2002 before her retirement a couple years later. I have fond memories of the voyage, which spanned 7 days around the northeastern Caribbean, and it’s still one of my favorite cruising experiences. She was a beautiful ship, and I felt like I was a part of history to sail on one of the last ocean liners.
This guy said that cruise ships CAN fight a storm but they have to do it slow and uncomfortable.... he’s right... I was on a cruise ship and we were stuck at sea for an extra day with the ship rocking all over the place
@Soovi452. I was on the S/S Norway three times in the mid to late 1990’s for Caribbean cruises. I loved it. I’ve cruised on other ships, but none of them even came close to having the charm of the “Blue Lady”.
The amount of craftsmanship and detail that went into the older class of ships like Titanic or Il De France makes today’s ships look like cheap metal hotels on water Because that’s what they are
Cruising across the oceans in the old days was such a long and committed adventure, it must've felt like an important chapter of life to spend time on another continent and make the most of it.
One day, I hope that I’ll be able to go on the Queen Mary 2, it genuinely looks like a wonderful ship to go on, but another reason is that it’d feel interesting to be on the last true ocean liner.
I've taken her transatlantic about 6 times, sailing again in a little over a week from Southampton to New York. Some crossings have some great last minute deals, especially this time of year, though Oct and Nov the North Atlantic can be rougher but sea temps still not cold so it can still be rather pleasant out on deck.
Liners are fast, sleek and efficient. I enjoy luxury, but I'm not a fan of the abysmal lack of efficiency, woeful worker treatment and absolutely horrendous environmental impact the cruise ship industry brings, especially when their only purpose is pleasure.
@@dr.mangopolios3428 I buy coach class sleeper train tickets just for the heck of it and I enjoy it, an ocean liner's 3rd class room would definitely be better than that
Queen Mary 2 is not the only ocean liner left operating. Marco Polo, now over 50 years old, is a classic and was built to operate between Canada and Russia.
I'm secretly a little ship nerd and have been researching into marine disasters over the last few months. I can list a handful of incidents from 1912 - 2012. Your channel is great and informative for my little hobby. Thank- you!
I sailed on the RMS Orion which was launched in 1934 for the Orient Steam Navigation Company, with her corn coloured hull she had a typical majestic look of a true ocean liner. No way could i sail on a cruise ship, give me a ocean liner any day, especially in rough weather.
I always hear people saying about Titanic having boring interiors or other ships for a cruise ship and calling Titanic a cruise ship ALL THE TIME and not even knowing what an ocean liner is when i tell them it was an ocean liner...and they still say its a cruise ship like i get so mad and idk why ;-;
Haha people do that ALL THE TIME!!! I traveled on QE2 and QM2 frequently (and still do, at least on QM2 as the old gal QE2 is now retired and enjoying herself in Dubai), and people would ask if I enjoyed my trip on the cruise ship, and it would miff me to no end LOL
@@heatherchandler724 I can understand someone mistaking a given liner for a cruise ship, but what I don't understand is how people overlook the fact that people used to cross oceans exclusively by ship. Those passengers were not on the ship for leisure but as a means of travel. Many of them enjoyed it no more than economy passengers on airliners today.
I love the new version but 2 differences you forgot about were higher lifeboat placement in ocean liners (to protect against the higher waves often encountered on the North Atlantic) and a rounded and more protected stern. A modern flat, boxy stern is ill-equipped to handle a following wave in a storm on the North Atlantic. Other than that you did a great job and I am very impressed.
phoenix1985 You’re right, those are 2 important distinctions as well. This video is a little less through than some of my later videos. Wanted this one to be accessible to a general audience.
I went on Caribbean cruises on the S/S Norway three times in the mid to late 1990’s. I loved it. It was the first cruise ship I was ever on, and I thought it had old world charm. I’ve never felt quite the same about any ship on which I’ve subsequently cruised. I can understand what you’re saying about it not being ideal for a cruise ship, but it’s definitely my favorite ship ever. Thank you for an informative and interesting video.
No Idea Studios they mostly focused on interior and passanger facilities. Ocean liners are comonly focused on stability and speed. QM2 and QE2 is ocean liners with curise ship facilities. I like how they perform in translantic passage. Sail faster and calm when hit by storms
So your saying that a ship that's just trying to focus on speed is way more beautiful than a ship that actually *TRYS* to make it look nice? I *CANNOT* believe these comments! *so* stupid!
There are tons of ship that looks nice or have a lot of onboard facilities, but they perform poor when deal with ocean passage especially when crosing atlantic. Some people can get sea sick if the ship handle poor during such condition. About speed of the ocean liner is actually useless in plane era, but speed is required to arrive ontime if the ship slow down by storm or etc. Also note that ocean liner technical design make it hard to navigate in shallow water due its deep draft, so it cant be sailed in some type of area like caribiean sea where tons of cruise ship sailed on there. And its not fuel efficient so the ship is costly to operate. It can be said a beautiful not only by its technical capabilites alone, but also they are very rare this day. And they are our part of history how human traveled in the past. People that only mind about a lot of onboard aminites or number of destination or price of ticket sometimes hard to understand the ocean liner beauty.
In the 60s, there was a short story or novelet by James Blish called The Ship-wrecked Hotel. Sounds like something which could happen to a modern cruise ship if enough of the fecal matter hit the whirling blades.
I like to put it like that: Ocean liners are basically long-distance ferries. Only because of the long time people spend on board, that whole idea of comfort or even luxury ever became important.
Ferries might be an OK analogy for passengers in Steerage/3rd Class. Other passengers expected luxury because that was what they were used to in their normal lives. In the 1900s and 1910s, it was not unusual for First Class passengers to travel with their servants.
@@georgew2014 People generally don't have servants to travel with anymore, but still today, you can find some seriously high-end cabins on some ferries, and indeed with the ticket price you'd expect :)
My understanding that ocean liners were to go rapidly across. While this is in part due to powerful engines and clean lines, you also need to follow the shortest route possible. While that is a great circle, a slightly longer, but easier to compute is something called a 'rhumb line' where the ocean liner followed the appropriate rhumb line hence being a 'liner'. Your thoughts?
My Brother in Law was in marine insurance and he used to say that a cruise ship would not cope in bad weather but an ocean liner would manage in bad weather
Even many ships in the 1910s were faster than many cruise ships today. It just doesn't make sense to go fast. Celebrity Millennium for example, now 20 years old, is very fast for a cruise ship with a service speed of 24 knots. Newer ships typically stick to around 20 knots.
Thank you - thank you - THANK YOU! Coming from a seafaring family, nothing makes me more angry when some uneducated person refers to our great ocean liners as "cruise ships!" Titanic was not a cruise ship. Queen Mary was not a cruise ship. The United States was not a cruise ship. Queen Mary 2 is not a cruise ship (thank you also for noting that!). Your video was both accurate and informative, and I will make sure to pass this on to others who mis-identify these fine vessels!
Sailed with Holland America around Nova Scotia in a storm. 92 kts. across the deck. As far as the eye could see the ocean looked like a ski slope. Solid white. Loved every minute.
come sit at my feet ppl - between ages 6 -9 I got to travel on the 2 original Queens (Mary, Elizabeth), the SS United States, and SS Independence. My grandma was rescued from the sinking Andrea Doria (before my time tho). I remember those fast old ships like it was yesterday, lemme tell ya some stories ...
@@joem2130 Okay :-) one of my fav memories was Nov 1969 westbound on the SS US. With NO onboard security back then, a kid had free run from the boiler room to the bridge, and way up there I held her wheel, sitting on the 1st officer's lap, for 30 min whilst she was doing her 32 knot (37 MPH) cruise speed. A once in a lifetime experience that's burned in my brain forever! More on request, stay well!
@@zaxlorax7605 yes indeed, and that ship reportedly touched 50 on her sea trials (!) Now imagine trying to panic-stop something that size, from that speed ... woahh is right!
@@forestghost7 WOW!!! that must have been absolutely incredible! Yes more please!!! That reminds me of driving on the farm with my grandma but WAY cooler
I’m a plane person but binge watched ship sinking documentaries for the last two days so consider me a ship expert now. Also someone pls make a movie about the Oceanos.
An interesting comparison, thanks. I crossed the Atlantic on the USS United States, the SS France and USNS Buckner. I find current cruise ships ugly and would love to again cross the Atlantic on a liner.
The difference between Ocean Liners and Cruise ships is that when an ocean liner reaches port early, people would celebrate and cheer. But when a cruise reaches port early, people would ask for a refund. As easy as that.
As I former travel agent (from 1986 until 2001), I found this very informative! I've been on about 15 cruises, all but two on Royal Caribbean, but the last one was in 2001 so I have not experienced those huge, hotel like ships. I can't imagine having to walk from one end to the other of one of those monsters! 😁 (btw, I just discovered your channel and am loving your videos!)
I think if you asked most people the specific question "what's the difference between an ocean liner and a cruise ship?" they could come up with the ocean liner being for transporting people from one place to another and the cruise ship being for leisure. It's in the name. An ocean liner is like an airliner, but as a ship.
I'm grateful you were able to clear up the difference for me. I had seen a video that said the Queen Mary 2 was an ocean liner, but I was looking for an explanation of how the Ocean Liners differed from Cruise Ships, and you did an excellent job of explaining. I wish there was someone I could pass this information on to, who would be as interested and appreciative as I am for learning it! Thanks for the video!
I've traveled on QE2 and QM2 all the time, they're wonderful ships and totally different from QV and the newest QE (which are lovely but still not ocean liners). I hate when people were like "Oh, did you enjoy the cruise ship?" (asking about a Transatlantic on QE2), and it's like "THEY'RE NOT CRUISE SHIPS!" lol. That being said, I'm glad you included Cunard's major achievements...perhaps you could do a video on my fave ship, Queen Elizabeth 2? Or, maybe even better and more inclusive, do a video on all the Cunard Queens, from Queen Mary to the new Queen Elizabeth!! I'd definitely watch it!!
Before watching this, I'm gonna say I think the most basic difference between the two, is that ocean liners are more oriented towards transporting individuals for immigration and things like business trips, whereas cruise ships exist mostly for round-trip vacations, getaways, and entertainment.
I've always preferred the design of the older ocean liners, and I always will. Most cruise ships look the same to me; tall, flat back, built like a brick (shape), all white, tiny bow, etc. The ships of the first half of the 20th century looked so much nicer, and actually looked like ships to me.
OK so you basically contradicted yourself by saying that all cruise ships nowadays look the same which could be said for oceanliners back in the 20th century the titanic the Olympic and the Britannic are generally the same format as well as many other ships in the era so what's your point....
@@shastaweston There's bigger differences between them to me. And even if there wasn't, even if it was just a standard look, I just prefer that look anyway.
@@shastaweston how does titanic and Lusitania look the same? Research before u comment, titanic had a big superstructure, Lusitania only had 1 deck as a superstructure. Normandie had very spacious decks when the lifeboats were installed on the sides.
@@TheGreatBigMove Will you ever go into topics such as Highway's, Subways and so on? In my opinion I feel like you shouldn't because there's a lot of transportation channels based on those topics and I think you cover a good part of transportation that's unknown
@@blackopscw7913 I definitely lean more toward maritime, particularly passenger ships. But I am open to other topics and cover them when I feel like it. My next video (December 16th) will be on Canadian Pacific and will be partly about trains. I'll eventually get to part 2 off my video series on airships, too.
What makes you think that? I hope you're right, but I've only seen information to the contrary. Frankly, I think we're lucky to have just the Queen Mary 2 still serving as an ocean liner.
@@TheGreatBigMove i think technology for more cleaner ships is going to surpass the technology for cleaner air travel. Over the past couple of years, the cruise industry has invested tens of millions of dollars into making their ships more clean. Plus the public awareness and thr market for travel better for the environment. The market is already there for cleaner travel, but the options isnt there yet.
@@adamsaldana5462 We will see! I would enjoy a change (or at least the option), but I'm not sure people are going to be willing to increase their travel time by such a huge amount.
People just start get booring and less comfort with airplanes, and current most common airplanes have cramped cabins to further reduce operational cost (love the 747 era). The tickets also more expensive and baggage capacity was more restricted than before.
Ships mostly have more room for people to socialize, and people can enjoyed open air on open deck. In airplanes it might just 6 hours of sitting, but it will be booring for those doesn't do anything like reading or using gadgets. Its posible that transatlantic with ships will back for fullfill people need recreational on journey, while airplanes for those just need arrive on time for important purposes (jobs and kind like that)
Personally, I would rather travel by ship. It's so relaxing, peaceful, and fun. Granted planes gets you to your destination faster, but thats not my point of view on life. My POV is to stop rushing, plan it out ahead of time, and enjoy the time, fun, and socializing.
They both serve a different purpose. What they replaced was the liner not the cruise ship. The cruise ship IS the destination. The airplane isn’t and we instead use it to travel efficiently. That’s why it’s really not the same
In an early episode of Star Trek the Next Generation, an unfrozen character from the 20th century disparages the amenities of the Enterprise with reference to the much better operation run by the QE2. Captain Picard is insulted to have his starship compared to "a cruise ship". On behalf of liner captains, I was even back then insulted to have them compared to cruise ships. Allegedly historically-literate captain Picard was here betrayed by the ignorance of his writers.
Haha I forgot about this. The stock broker dude. And yeah it was a mistake on the part of the writers, Picard was fascinated by sea travel, he would have known QE2 was a liner. Especially if she was still famous enough to be remembered in the 2400's.
I dont understand how people can still defend how cruise ships look better than ocean liners. The only cruise ships to look as good are the Disney cruise ships. The have the same color scheme and 4of their ships have 2 funnels one being false
@Debbie Williams I was on the S/S Norway three times in the mid to late 1990’s. It was the first ship I cruised on also. I loved it. I’ve subsequently been on other ships, but all of them paled in comparison to the “Blue Lady”. She truly had charm. I was actually reading through the comments to see if anybody else had cruised on the Norway!
You forgot to mention the location of the main deck. The deck that runs continuously from the stem to stern on the same level. This is important as this marks the end of the hull and the beginning of the super structure. On an ocean liner, The water tight bulkheads(in the hulls) finish much higher up. On the cruise ships of today(except the Queen Mary 2) the main deck is right above the waterline so the water tight bulk heads only go to the waterline(more like a ferry boat). And the superstructure is built on top of that even though it looks like it's the hull, it really isn't.
I knew that distinction, but damn if this wasn't an excellent, entertaining summation. Well done.
Thank you!
One cruise ship that looks amazing is Royal Caribbeans Symphony of the seas. Beautiful ship. Their new ship the Wonder of the seas looks even better!!
As someone who didn't know the difference now I know lol
I enjoyed it, too. It's great refresher video.
@@richardglenn997 that pile of metal is almost like a whale beached on the sea itself. Calling it beautiful is the most absurd statement I've ever heard.
I’ve always liked the saying, the ocean liner is about getting you to your destination, while the cruise ship is the destination.
Basically, Ocean liners put more emphasis on MAKING good time, while cruise ships put more emphasis on HAVING a good time.
Wow, 750+ likes? I’m flattered! That’s never happened for me before.
Now it’s 1000 likes. Wow!
Well said! Lots of different ways to put it much more briefly than I did in my 8-minute video. Thanks for watching.
The Great Big Move Well, at least your way of explaining it was more entertaining.
@@michaelmurray7199 That's the goal! Hopefully these short videos can give people 8-15 minutes of entertainment at a time during this unusual situation we find ourselves in.
Was that a cars reference
Still it seems to me in trouble at sea one would fair much better in a ocean liner than a cruise ship.
I think modern ships are ugly, square, compared to the old ships
But are safer.
@@praveenneevarp4822 no they aren't, modern cruise ship can't withstand long periods of time in the ocean, Ocean liners are supposed to withstand crazy waves and weather
Most modern cruise ships are ugly. They don't HAVE to be, but the economics push their design in this direction, unfortunately.
@@RealVidjag yes agree.
the Disney Cruise ships are pretty nice
Biggest difference: ocean liners actually look good most cruise ships don't
ThunderClawShocktrix No.
True, they look like floating bricks with windows.
Nevizx Thats what a ship is
*No*
Nevizx well thats an ocean liner
Storm is coming
Cruiseships: "Imma head out" (sail canceled)
Oceanliners: "Oh, so you aproaching me"
Laughs in icebergs
@@deadchannellol7777 laughs in 2012
Is that a JoJo reference?
Laughs in pirates
Cruiseship: *turns around and hides in a protected bay*
Ocean liner: *fires up additional boilers and makes more speed*
The major problem with cruise ships is if they encounter a rogue wave, there’s a greater likelihood of it capsizing. The above deck superstructure is basically straight up and nearly rail to rail. In contrast the ocean liner is a triangular above deck structure that accentuates stability in heavy seas due to the lower and narrower center of gravity.
you'd need a much larger wave though
Yeah you're talking about one hell of a wave.
Depends on the ship's position of ships if it was either on starboard or port then there is a high risk of capsize another factor would be weather the stronger the storm the greater the chance of rouge wave
That's not true., I've been in rough seas on a cruise ship for months and even though it rocks I never once felt it would tilt and go down.
These ships built to take a beating in harsh weather, the only thing is the people on board will feel it to some extent.
There's A reason every recent cruise sinking or tilting was due to the ships being damaged from hitting rocks.
Agreed, those days only ships were mainly needed to go somewhere, so they made those ships more durable and perform better but minimising comfort and space. Now we have developed air transport for long distance travel. So we don't need tough good performing ships anymore. Why to travel on water if there's waves predicted, and hey if it's about the experience between cruisers and liners on a casual water, definitely the modern cruisers are a better go...
Who else likes the ocean liner style the most?
thank god a person like me
literally every comment here is talking about how ugly cruise ships are compared to ocean liners
I like ocean liners
Ocean Liners Are Amazing I Miss Them
By a long shot!
Having travelled Trans Atlantic on the QE2 as well as having gone on two cruises, I can say I far prefer ocean liners. In 1976, we hit a storm mid-Atlantic on QE2. She handled it beautifully. There was another worse one in 1978 in which a large number of plates in the galley were broken. The perfume shop also suffered major damage (bottles broken, etc). I cannot imagine a cruise ship being able to handle a storm of that magnitude. To me, they look top heavy. I would be afraid of it broaching or even capsizing! A little dramatic probably but I would be very nervous in bad weather on a cruise ship.
They definitely would not be able to handle very String storms but they are designed in that way because they mostly sail on calmer waters in the Pacific Caribbean or Mediterranean
To put it simply:
*Ocean Liners- To enjoy the destination*
*Cruise Ships- To enjoy the journey*
What about cruise ferries?
Same thing for cruise ships, except your car comes along
@@matsv201 Imagine taking your car on the cruise ship with you so you can drive around in each port for the day, then head back home at the end
@@sirankleknocker3122 Well you would think that. But cruise ferries generally run line traffic. On a scheduled bases usually between two harbors, but sometimes 3 or 4. That would make them more of a liner i would say.
@@EVILBUNNY28 I don´t have to imagine. I go on a cruise ferry every year. Its sort of a annual tradition
Yea, I'm a ship person and I get a little mad with people when they The Titanic is a curse ship
It just shows a lack of critical thinking. It was a time before viable passenger-carrying airplanes, so how did people get across oceans and seas? By ship, of course. Thanks for watching!
@@basil9973 omg same...
Same
it was either really unlucky, or a accident waiting to happen, But neither have been proven wrong
lol any ship is automatically a "curse[sic] ship" if people regard it as "unsinkable".
TL;DW:
Ocean Liners were transports first, with the primary function being to get people from one side of the ocean to the other; the purpose is the destination, not the voyage.
Cruise Ships are vacation vessels, with the main function being to have a good time, not just to get from one destination to the other; the purpose is the voyage itself.
Correctamoondo.
Cruise ships are pleasure crafts iIrc.
Thanksman
Yeah. 1+ people found this helpful
@@Train115 No, I'm pretty sure they're considered commercial ships.
How to confuse the public: "I like ocean liners, but not cruise ships"
100 likes but no replies?
Thats weird.
@@0ld_Gent that’s because the comment is so good there’s no words for it.
@@0ld_Gent i've seen 1k likes and no replies, then a chain started with someone saying "1k likes and no replies? let me fix that"
That will make someone’s head explode
In the late fifties the Shaw Saville company, part of Furness Withy, hit upon the near perfect cruise ship design. Their 3 vessels, Northern Star, Southern cross , Ocean Monarch,, were all designed with their funnels at the very stern of the ship. This overcame the , not insignificant problem of wasting vital sun decck space. Furthermore, as the ladies , cruising on these vessels, were in the habit of wearing fine ball gowns in the evening, it overcame the problem of soot smuts emanating from the funnel, and soiling their grandiose outfits.
That revolutionised cruising. But sadly , air travel overtook the market, leasing to the demise of these 3 ships by 1980.
I hope this is of interest to some of you.
Ocean Liner: Who are you?
Cruise Liner: I'm you, but weaker and a lot more sophisticated.
What the f*** dude? What if people who LIKE cruise ships (like me) better than ocean liners and see this comment? Like, do I have to spend all afternoon looking through these comments? Seriously, I've been here answering commenta since an HOUR ago.
Joey's Gaming No, the comments just like bashing cruise ships. Not all of them, of course, but if you scroll a bit you’ll see people going “cruise ship loom like block!!”
NeoXenoZ luxury better than speed.
@@sirankleknocker3122 Yet, your tiny cruise ships, cannot survive a storm..
You realize cruise ships are weak the costa concordia sank by mini rocks
"even god can't sink it"
if you say something like that, you're just asking for it at that point. NEVER tempt fate.
That started in a magazine or newspaper about Titanic prior to setting sail that "she was practically unsinkable" and it turned into unsinkable by the public, the owners never called their ships unsinkable, that is plain stupid.
God: whoops I dropped my ice *wink wink*
Aegar always has the last laugh.
if you REALLY want an unsinkable ship, just say, “This ship is going to immediately sink. It sucks. It’ll last a week.” Your ship will be there for around 40 years
Ain’t the only difference is that the cruise liner can hold its ice, badum psss
1:41 " Ocean liners and cruise ships are designed differently"
Yes, steam ocean liners are beautiful
Modern cruise ships are ugly flat schemes
I agree with you
True
Agreed
Depends on the cruise line. NCL's ships are ugly, but there are cruise lines that still have decently-designed ships.
Look there's one thing to have an opinion and another thing to be rude about it.
I love how everyone in the comment section is kinda obsessed with ocean liners.
Im one of them 🙋♀️ I love ocean liners
*kinda*
I prefer dreadnughts
@@lucasart328 That's a man of culture
@@jommydavi2197 Wha about those who prefer, MONITORS!
Ocean liner = an all weather heavily built ship with a hotel shoved inside her skin. A cruise ship = a hotel with a water proof skin built around it. Give me the Ocean liner any day!
no, a floating hotel sounds amazing rather than some old disgusting fast and usually vibrating ship
@@chickenbokernot2598 clearly never been on either type of ship....
@@skippyguy3 and you’ve been on an ocean liner?
@@chickenbokernot2598 yes, many times....
@@skippyguy3 so sad someone has a different opinion than you on the internent. get over it
In the 60s my family traveled repeatedly by ocean liner between NYC and Buenos Aires. It was a civilized, relaxing alternative to flying with plenty for kids and adults to do. We traveled on the liners both as part of longer vacations and also to relocate our household (pets included). The ships were of the Moore-McCormack line. Your video brought back lots of wonderful memories. (And by the way, I’ve never set foot on a cruise ship nor will I ever. Shudder.)
Me at 2am: I should sleep
Also me: oCeAn LiNeRs vS cRuiSe ShIps
2:01 for me lol
Hahha this is me now
I like the fact that real ship names were given to back up his points with dates. Nice narrative. Thanks for the information
Thanks for the feedback
I love this video, especially because instead of padding time with random montages, you kept the content precise and to the point. Good work!
Thank you, I appreciate that! Stay tuned for more videos.
@@TheGreatBigMove Absolutely! Have already gone through all the videos and subscribed :D
Agreed Priyanshi Mishra. :)
Yeah... and made people that didn't know this difference feel like idiots. Who on Earth would need to know this. Most esoteric and random piece of knowledge ever!
@@nathyatta If you don't wanna know this then don't click on the video. It is just supposed to be informative.
I actually had the privilege of sailing on the S.S. Norway in 2002 before her retirement a couple years later. I have fond memories of the voyage, which spanned 7 days around the northeastern Caribbean, and it’s still one of my favorite cruising experiences. She was a beautiful ship, and I felt like I was a part of history to sail on one of the last ocean liners.
This guy said that cruise ships CAN fight a storm but they have to do it slow and uncomfortable.... he’s right... I was on a cruise ship and we were stuck at sea for an extra day with the ship rocking all over the place
If I could choose 5 Old Liners to sail today, I'd choose:
RMS Britannic
RMS Aquitania
RMS Lusitania
SS Normandie
SS France/Norway/Blue Lady
RMS Olympic, Titanic, Oceanic
I’ll go with Titanic, Imperator/Berengaria, Olympic, Normandie, Queen Elizabeth, America/American Star & Carpathia
The 3 Olympic Classes, Lusitania, Aquitania
I would pick RMS Lusitania, RMS Aquitania, RMS Empress of Ireland, RMS Kiangya, and S.S. Mactan.
@Soovi452.
I was on the S/S Norway three times in the mid to late 1990’s for Caribbean cruises. I loved it. I’ve cruised on other ships, but none of them even came close to having the charm of the “Blue Lady”.
Ocean Liners: Beautiful work of art and an architectural masterpiece
Cruise ships: white brick with windows
Someone:calls titanic cruise ship
Me and my Bismarck: CUWABUNGA IT IS
Cruise ships : ugly but fun to ride on
"Failure to connect the dots of even our recent history." Perfect description.
Watched Titanic yesterday... this is how far the algorithm has taken me. Good video, off to the next!
The amount of craftsmanship and detail that went into the older class of ships like Titanic or Il De France makes today’s ships look like cheap metal hotels on water
Because that’s what they are
Aren’t they quite expensive to get on?
Cruising across the oceans in the old days was such a long and committed adventure, it must've felt like an important chapter of life to spend time on another continent and make the most of it.
@Railfan 765 yeah that's right
I’ll save you 8 minutes
Ocean liner: transportation
Cruise ship: holiday
Thanks
Eden Cruises np
: D ok thanks, I’m click off now
The chad 🇹🇩 ocean liner vs the virgin cruise ship
One day, I hope that I’ll be able to go on the Queen Mary 2, it genuinely looks like a wonderful ship to go on, but another reason is that it’d feel interesting to be on the last true ocean liner.
Came off it two weeks ago, a fabulous ship, going on her to New York in April, sell your soul to the devil if you have to, but it'll be worth it.
@@philliptaylor502 Heh, I don’t know if I’d go that far to go on her, but I’ll find a way.
I've taken her transatlantic about 6 times, sailing again in a little over a week from Southampton to New York. Some crossings have some great last minute deals, especially this time of year, though Oct and Nov the North Atlantic can be rougher but sea temps still not cold so it can still be rather pleasant out on deck.
Storm: here i come!
Cruise Ships: lets cancel the trip
QM2: hold my beer.
Liners are fast, sleek and efficient. I enjoy luxury, but I'm not a fan of the abysmal lack of efficiency, woeful worker treatment and absolutely horrendous environmental impact the cruise ship industry brings, especially when their only purpose is pleasure.
Sad how there's not many ocean liners left and we just have these ugly floating boxes left
I love ocean liners, they are true passenger ships
Marie BCFHS I too love luring in my passengers, only to shove them in a box that we call a stateroom.
@@sirankleknocker3122 You sound like you've never seen a photo of any ocean liner's interiors. Aquitania, Titanic, Lusitania, Mauretania.
@@dr.mangopolios3428 you sound like you think that the pictures of only the best looking 1st class rooms accurately represents the rest of the ship
@@dr.mangopolios3428 Airliners have first class suites, but that doesn't represent business class or economy.
Same goes for ocean liners.
@@dr.mangopolios3428 I buy coach class sleeper train tickets just for the heck of it and I enjoy it, an ocean liner's 3rd class room would definitely be better than that
Many thanks for the revised and updated version. It makes the difference between liners and cruisers much more distinct.
Queen Mary 2 is not the only ocean liner left operating. Marco Polo, now over 50 years old, is a classic and was built to operate between Canada and Russia.
rip
I'm secretly a little ship nerd and have been researching into marine disasters over the last few months. I can list a handful of incidents from 1912 - 2012. Your channel is great and informative for my little hobby. Thank- you!
Same dude! That's exactly what I've been doing since I saw titanic a few months ago. :)
I sailed on the RMS Orion which was launched in 1934 for the Orient Steam Navigation Company, with her corn coloured hull she had a typical majestic look of a true ocean liner. No way could i sail on a cruise ship, give me a ocean liner any day, especially in rough weather.
I've never heard someone confuse an ocean liner with a cruise ship... but it's a good video nonetheless
Yeah, I didn't think this was a point of common confusion, but given Joe Rogan's misunderstanding, I guess it must be way more common than we thought.
It happens all the time in my experience! Even among people who are familiar with history, sailing, etc.
I always hear people saying about Titanic having boring interiors or other ships for a cruise ship and calling Titanic a cruise ship ALL THE TIME and not even knowing what an ocean liner is when i tell them it was an ocean liner...and they still say its a cruise ship like i get so mad and idk why ;-;
Haha people do that ALL THE TIME!!! I traveled on QE2 and QM2 frequently (and still do, at least on QM2 as the old gal QE2 is now retired and enjoying herself in Dubai), and people would ask if I enjoyed my trip on the cruise ship, and it would miff me to no end LOL
@@heatherchandler724 I can understand someone mistaking a given liner for a cruise ship, but what I don't understand is how people overlook the fact that people used to cross oceans exclusively by ship. Those passengers were not on the ship for leisure but as a means of travel. Many of them enjoyed it no more than economy passengers on airliners today.
I love the new version but 2 differences you forgot about were higher lifeboat placement in ocean liners (to protect against the higher waves often encountered on the North Atlantic) and a rounded and more protected stern. A modern flat, boxy stern is ill-equipped to handle a following wave in a storm on the North Atlantic. Other than that you did a great job and I am very impressed.
phoenix1985 You’re right, those are 2 important distinctions as well. This video is a little less through than some of my later videos. Wanted this one to be accessible to a general audience.
@@TheGreatBigMove I understand. If that's the case you did a splendid job and you should be proud.
I went on Caribbean cruises on the S/S Norway three times in the mid to late 1990’s. I loved it. It was the first cruise ship I was ever on, and I thought it had old world charm. I’ve never felt quite the same about any ship on which I’ve subsequently cruised. I can understand what you’re saying about it not being ideal for a cruise ship, but it’s definitely my favorite ship ever. Thank you for an informative and interesting video.
Ocean liners actually look beautiful and look like they are designed very carefully
While cruise ships look like ehhh....
No Idea Studios they mostly focused on interior and passanger facilities. Ocean liners are comonly focused on stability and speed. QM2 and QE2 is ocean liners with curise ship facilities. I like how they perform in translantic passage. Sail faster and calm when hit by storms
Because, sometimes, weird = Best
So your saying that a ship that's just trying to focus on speed is way more beautiful than a ship that actually *TRYS* to make it look nice? I *CANNOT* believe these comments! *so* stupid!
There are tons of ship that looks nice or have a lot of onboard facilities, but they perform poor when deal with ocean passage especially when crosing atlantic. Some people can get sea sick if the ship handle poor during such condition. About speed of the ocean liner is actually useless in plane era, but speed is required to arrive ontime if the ship slow down by storm or etc. Also note that ocean liner technical design make it hard to navigate in shallow water due its deep draft, so it cant be sailed in some type of area like caribiean sea where tons of cruise ship sailed on there. And its not fuel efficient so the ship is costly to operate. It can be said a beautiful not only by its technical capabilites alone, but also they are very rare this day. And they are our part of history how human traveled in the past. People that only mind about a lot of onboard aminites or number of destination or price of ticket sometimes hard to understand the ocean liner beauty.
@@monkeman776 nice on the inside, ugly on the outside, imagine a cargo ship, but instead of cargo, it's a hotel slapped on it.
Seeing the photos of the old ocean liners are like seeing a time capsule. I wish I was there.
I know right, I have an obsession with wanting to live during the whole Titanic time period😔
@@ariy8790 except for the medical available st the time....lol....from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s stay safe
In the 60s, there was a short story or novelet by James Blish called The Ship-wrecked Hotel. Sounds like something which could happen to a modern cruise ship if enough of the fecal matter hit the whirling blades.
I like to put it like that: Ocean liners are basically long-distance ferries. Only because of the long time people spend on board, that whole idea of comfort or even luxury ever became important.
Ferries might be an OK analogy for passengers in Steerage/3rd Class. Other passengers expected luxury because that was what they were used to in their normal lives. In the 1900s and 1910s, it was not unusual for First Class passengers to travel with their servants.
@@georgew2014 People generally don't have servants to travel with anymore, but still today, you can find some seriously high-end cabins on some ferries, and indeed with the ticket price you'd expect :)
My understanding that ocean liners were to go rapidly across. While this is in part due to powerful engines and clean lines, you also need to follow the shortest route possible. While that is a great circle, a slightly longer, but easier to compute is something called a 'rhumb line' where the ocean liner followed the appropriate rhumb line hence being a 'liner'. Your thoughts?
My Brother in Law was in marine insurance and he used to say that a cruise ship would not cope in bad weather but an ocean liner would manage in bad weather
Queen Mary II is in Torbay on the south coast of England at the moment, along with a load of floating hotels...
so sad to see that monstrosity tied up with those beauties
Older looking ocean liners are just awe-inspiring imo.
Funfact:The 20's to the 60's are faster than ships these days
Even many ships in the 1910s were faster than many cruise ships today. It just doesn't make sense to go fast. Celebrity Millennium for example, now 20 years old, is very fast for a cruise ship with a service speed of 24 knots. Newer ships typically stick to around 20 knots.
@@TheGreatBigMove well atleast we can still handle the 20 knot ships these days
Thank you - thank you - THANK YOU! Coming from a seafaring family, nothing makes me more angry when some uneducated person refers to our great ocean liners as "cruise ships!" Titanic was not a cruise ship. Queen Mary was not a cruise ship. The United States was not a cruise ship. Queen Mary 2 is not a cruise ship (thank you also for noting that!). Your video was both accurate and informative, and I will make sure to pass this on to others who mis-identify these fine vessels!
Joe Rogan
Knowledge in a topic being spoken about
You have to pick one, cause you're not getting both. Unless it's UFC.
Sailed with Holland America around Nova Scotia in a storm. 92 kts. across the deck. As far as the eye could see the ocean looked like a ski slope. Solid white.
Loved every minute.
come sit at my feet ppl - between ages 6 -9 I got to travel on the 2 original Queens (Mary, Elizabeth), the SS United States, and SS Independence. My grandma was rescued from the sinking Andrea Doria (before my time tho). I remember those fast old ships like it was yesterday, lemme tell ya some stories ...
Tell us some stories! ❤️❤️❤️
@@joem2130 Okay :-) one of my fav memories was Nov 1969 westbound on the SS US. With NO onboard security back then, a kid had free run from the boiler room to the bridge, and way up there I held her wheel, sitting on the 1st officer's lap, for 30 min whilst she was doing her 32 knot (37 MPH) cruise speed. A once in a lifetime experience that's burned in my brain forever! More on request, stay well!
@@forestghost7 37mph seems so fast for something that size. Woah...
@@zaxlorax7605 yes indeed, and that ship reportedly touched 50 on her sea trials (!) Now imagine trying to panic-stop something that size, from that speed ... woahh is right!
@@forestghost7 WOW!!! that must have been absolutely incredible! Yes more please!!! That reminds me of driving on the farm with my grandma but WAY cooler
The biggest similarity is that they're both dangerous as crap cause they're boats on the ocean. Rise above focus on teleportation.
I can’t even imagine myself settling foot on a giant hotel built on top of basically a canoe.
why not? it sounds amazing
I’m a plane person but binge watched ship sinking documentaries for the last two days so consider me a ship expert now.
Also someone pls make a movie about the Oceanos.
An interesting comparison, thanks.
I crossed the Atlantic on the USS United States, the SS France and USNS Buckner. I find current cruise ships ugly and would love to again cross the Atlantic on a liner.
RMS Queen Mary 2 is at your service then Sir!
USNS Buckner was a troop carrier.
@@NoaZeevi Yes, it also transported (military) families (dependents) across the Atlantic in the 60s. A much smaller than the liners.
The difference between Ocean Liners and Cruise ships is that when an ocean liner reaches port early, people would celebrate and cheer. But when a cruise reaches port early, people would ask for a refund. As easy as that.
As I former travel agent (from 1986 until 2001), I found this very informative! I've been on about 15 cruises, all but two on Royal Caribbean, but the last one was in 2001 so I have not experienced those huge, hotel like ships. I can't imagine having to walk from one end to the other of one of those monsters! 😁 (btw, I just discovered your channel and am loving your videos!)
I think if you asked most people the specific question "what's the difference between an ocean liner and a cruise ship?" they could come up with the ocean liner being for transporting people from one place to another and the cruise ship being for leisure. It's in the name. An ocean liner is like an airliner, but as a ship.
Ocean liners are actually ships. Cruises are just expensive floating theme parks.
Ocean Liners look more beautiful to me, cruises are cool and all but at this point they don't really look like ships.
How can a ship not look like a ship?
Beautiful stream line Ocean Liners v Block of flats on the sea.
No contest.
I'm grateful you were able to clear up the difference for me. I had seen a video that said the Queen Mary 2 was an ocean liner, but I was looking for an explanation of how the Ocean Liners differed from Cruise Ships, and you did an excellent job of explaining. I wish there was someone I could pass this information on to, who would be as interested and appreciative as I am for learning it! Thanks for the video!
I've traveled on QE2 and QM2 all the time, they're wonderful ships and totally different from QV and the newest QE (which are lovely but still not ocean liners). I hate when people were like "Oh, did you enjoy the cruise ship?" (asking about a Transatlantic on QE2), and it's like "THEY'RE NOT CRUISE SHIPS!" lol. That being said, I'm glad you included Cunard's major achievements...perhaps you could do a video on my fave ship, Queen Elizabeth 2? Or, maybe even better and more inclusive, do a video on all the Cunard Queens, from Queen Mary to the new Queen Elizabeth!! I'd definitely watch it!!
Benjamin Shamel fancy seeing you here bro
Edit: did you enjoy the cruise? It makes more sense.
Joey's Gaming nope, I went on a few last year. Got bored already on the 3rd day and we weren’t even halfway through the voyage.
@@haechiwr same
Before watching this, I'm gonna say I think the most basic difference between the two, is that ocean liners are more oriented towards transporting individuals for immigration and things like business trips, whereas cruise ships exist mostly for round-trip vacations, getaways, and entertainment.
I've always preferred the design of the older ocean liners, and I always will. Most cruise ships look the same to me; tall, flat back, built like a brick (shape), all white, tiny bow, etc. The ships of the first half of the 20th century looked so much nicer, and actually looked like ships to me.
They are not just white, they have different colors. For example, blue sign with Norwegian Sky. I cant believe these comments!
@@monkeman776 He said MOST,he didn't say ALL
OK so you basically contradicted yourself by saying that all cruise ships nowadays look the same which could be said for oceanliners back in the 20th century the titanic the Olympic and the Britannic are generally the same format as well as many other ships in the era so what's your point....
@@shastaweston There's bigger differences between them to me. And even if there wasn't, even if it was just a standard look, I just prefer that look anyway.
@@shastaweston how does titanic and Lusitania look the same? Research before u comment, titanic had a big superstructure, Lusitania only had 1 deck as a superstructure. Normandie had very spacious decks when the lifeboats were installed on the sides.
I had a vague awareness of the difference, but this really laid it out very simply, thank you.
So it's basically a boat built to transport passengers vs a floating hotel.
More or less. With that said, a small ferry not meant to cross oceans would not be considered an ocean liner.
A brief but accurate description of the evolution of ocean liners into ocean barges over the last half a century.
Insightful is the last thing I'd call Joe Rogan.
I never really thought about the difference but now I know. Knowledge is power!
I appreciate this video! Too many people get it wrong and it irritates me!
What is that supposed to even mean?
@@monkeman776 I appreciate this video! Too many people get it wrong and it irritates me!
@@monkeman776 he means that it frustrates him when people mix ocean liners and cruise ships up
That was fascinating. I knew there was a difference but that was really well articulated. Thanks.
Being a channel of transportation, would be cool to see a vid on trolley cars.
Trolleys are on my list of to-do videos. Stay tuned!
@@TheGreatBigMove Will you ever go into topics such as Highway's, Subways and so on? In my opinion I feel like you shouldn't because there's a lot of transportation channels based on those topics and I think you cover a good part of transportation that's unknown
@@blackopscw7913 I definitely lean more toward maritime, particularly passenger ships. But I am open to other topics and cover them when I feel like it. My next video (December 16th) will be on Canadian Pacific and will be partly about trains. I'll eventually get to part 2 off my video series on airships, too.
@@TheGreatBigMove My birthday is on the 16th, thanks for the birthday present. Sounds like a good video to.
@@blackopscw7913 Working on it as we speak!
Brilliant. With a father who is a captain, you nailed it. Well done.
Great video my dude. Very important distinction. Personally, I do think the ocean liner industry will come roaring back in the future.
What makes you think that? I hope you're right, but I've only seen information to the contrary. Frankly, I think we're lucky to have just the Queen Mary 2 still serving as an ocean liner.
@@TheGreatBigMove i think technology for more cleaner ships is going to surpass the technology for cleaner air travel. Over the past couple of years, the cruise industry has invested tens of millions of dollars into making their ships more clean. Plus the public awareness and thr market for travel better for the environment. The market is already there for cleaner travel, but the options isnt there yet.
@@adamsaldana5462 We will see! I would enjoy a change (or at least the option), but I'm not sure people are going to be willing to increase their travel time by such a huge amount.
People just start get booring and less comfort with airplanes, and current most common airplanes have cramped cabins to further reduce operational cost (love the 747 era). The tickets also more expensive and baggage capacity was more restricted than before.
Ships mostly have more room for people to socialize, and people can enjoyed open air on open deck. In airplanes it might just 6 hours of sitting, but it will be booring for those doesn't do anything like reading or using gadgets.
Its posible that transatlantic with ships will back for fullfill people need recreational on journey, while airplanes for those just need arrive on time for important purposes (jobs and kind like that)
First video I’ve seen of yours and I love the Nantucket graphic that pulls the subscribe button across the screen
I like big boats and I cannot lie
TH-cam algorithms working tight
Personally, I would rather travel by ship. It's so relaxing, peaceful, and fun. Granted planes gets you to your destination faster, but thats not my point of view on life. My POV is to stop rushing, plan it out ahead of time, and enjoy the time, fun, and socializing.
Am I the only one that is obsessed with older ships like titanic they just look more classy than the modern ocean liners and cruise ships
The first version of this video got me to subscribe. Still intending to comb through your channel and find more interesting videos.
Thanks.
I hope you get to it! Thanks for subscribing.
I can't imagine airplanes ever replacing crusie ships, getting a swimming pool, buffet and theater to fly seems kinda hard.
They both serve a different purpose. What they replaced was the liner not the cruise ship. The cruise ship IS the destination. The airplane isn’t and we instead use it to travel efficiently. That’s why it’s really not the same
Wow, that was fascinating; I knew a few of the differences, but this video made a whole load of sense. Thank you from North Yorkshire England.
The a-10 gun in the back in intro lol
We loved the QM2.....and weathered some serious waves!!
I'm a little jealous, but I'm hoping to get aboard her when cruising starts back up.
In an early episode of Star Trek the Next Generation, an unfrozen character from the 20th century disparages the amenities of the Enterprise with reference to the much better operation run by the QE2. Captain Picard is insulted to have his starship compared to "a cruise ship". On behalf of liner captains, I was even back then insulted to have them compared to cruise ships. Allegedly historically-literate captain Picard was here betrayed by the ignorance of his writers.
Haha I forgot about this. The stock broker dude. And yeah it was a mistake on the part of the writers, Picard was fascinated by sea travel, he would have known QE2 was a liner. Especially if she was still famous enough to be remembered in the 2400's.
Thanks for the video and the information. Best wishes ❤❤❤❤
Man i hope the queen mary 2 never stops her work like her sister...
I like ocean liners and cruise ships. I really like the elegant nature and the coolness of ocean liners.
I dont understand how people can still defend how cruise ships look better than ocean liners. The only cruise ships to look as good are the Disney cruise ships. The have the same color scheme and 4of their ships have 2 funnels one being false
My 1st cruise was on the NCL Norway. Built in the year of my birth, it was interesting and quirky. Sadly, it has been gone for quite some time.
@Debbie Williams
I was on the S/S Norway three times in the mid to late 1990’s. It was the first ship I cruised on also. I loved it. I’ve subsequently been on other ships, but all of them paled in comparison to the “Blue Lady”. She truly had charm.
I was actually reading through the comments to see if anybody else had cruised on the Norway!
Joe Rogan...." do you think God did DMT when he sunk the Titanic?"
0:29 dont show me that, now I'm nostalgic asf 😭
(I visited New York earlier in the year before lockdown).
You forgot to mention the location of the main deck. The deck that runs continuously from the stem to stern on the same level. This is important as this marks the end of the hull and the beginning of the super structure. On an ocean liner, The water tight bulkheads(in the hulls) finish much higher up. On the cruise ships of today(except the Queen Mary 2) the main deck is right above the waterline so the water tight bulk heads only go to the waterline(more like a ferry boat). And the superstructure is built on top of that even though it looks like it's the hull, it really isn't.
QM2 is a liner...
Nonsense. The freeboard is not the paint line. She is subject to the same freeboard / load line regulations as any other major passenger ship.
The difference: Ocean Liners are black, Cruise Ships are white