I find it interesting that there are eteri fans who refuse to acknowledge the truth about the toxic culture and malnourishment. It's not even worth it to fight in the comments anymore. Russia feels like it is as isolated as north korea in its thinking patterns.
@@wkim22 listen to all her skaters they all say the same thing about eteri. Plus lipnitskaya had anorexia as well as another her skater it’s a fact. You can watch eteri’s interviews she is not shy about her ways at all
@@wkim22 plus the fact that she always talks dirty about all her skaters online is very telling. Watch kostornaia’s interview she talks about many things in detail🙄🙄
the most ridiculous in this story that valieva was punished but eteri didn’t. But she should be punished for the whole her life and don’t work with kids. Instead she continues to work with kids not only in russia but in the world
@@ВалентинИгоревич-з5йbut she was on championship, she is a coach of her dotter which now “represents” Georgia. Actually, the question how she is so quickly changed a country. Because no one else can do it, except her dotter and her partner. Only for next year. As well they have a proxy russian team which “represents “ other countries but in fact the skaters train in sambo 70. And figure skating federation dont want to stop it.
Eteri is not a coach of her daughter, she and her husband train in Canada and yes her daughter represents Georgia in the ice dance category, but her mother Eteri Tutberidze has a Georgian name and surname simply because ethnicly she is half Georgian. Eteri also has done a great job to Georgia by training moris kvitelashvili and nika egadze, who have won many titles.
The thing that makes the most mad is the fact that everyone including the west and the ISU just threw Kamila under the bus and didn’t even bother doing anything else. Im sure they will just let Eteri and the creepy doctor back into the next Olympics like nothing ever happened
Valieva lied through her teeth. The free skate at the Olympics was one of the ugliest skating events in history. Valieva collapsed because she knew the truth and Eteri yelled at her. Then Trusova goes into a crying meltdown because she came in second. The winner was left sitting there all alone wondering if she was in the wrong room. Russia should be banned from all athletic competitions for the near future. They are disgusting.
@@jondavwal13I don't think it's the athletes. Their coaches, doctors and the powers that be are using these children as lab rats. I don't think these children know they're being doped. Substances are probably hidden in their "vitamins." Isolation is what they want: Fertile ground to continue abusive children without being held accountable. 😢
i feel bad for kamila-she has so much talent, she deserves to share it with the world and get awarded accordingly for it. it sucks that the adults around her failed her
She won’t even get the chance to come back for Milan 2026 despite her ban ending in late December of 2025. If Russia is allowed to compete in Milan, she won’t be able to work towards qualifying for any Olympic qualifier competitions, let alone compete in them. She won’t even need to retire before the Eteri Expiration Date gets her since her doping ban solidified her retirement. The worst part: her coaches go unpunished and continue abusing the next generation and replacing them like they are disposable.
I don't know if Valieva was aware she was taking a banned substance. She has said she was not. But she was in my view the recipient of repeated abuse and, without question, a child prodigy. All the while she was ostensibly a protected person. A great pity figure skating has become so politicized.
💯 she was a prodigy that was thrown to the wolves. She will always be the most talented figure skater in history in my eyes. I've watched trip performances from a young age and that girl is so talented she is beyond
I don’t think she knew. I think it was her coaching team. They just hand the girls “vitamins” and supplements and the girls are supposed to take them…because it’s Russia and these girls can’t second guess their authority figures if they want to make it to the top
So insane a 15 year old would be held accountable for doping. It’s like people forget a lot of these athletes are minors (and therefore probably pressured/forced/coerced into things…)
No it's not insane, yes it's not just her fault but she does hold some responsibility. You always have a choice, if she's as talented as she is other countries would be tripping over themselves to sign her. Trust me I get the pressure and the reasons to take the dope. But like I said you still have a choice. Your making the choice to do it and as such you also bare some of the responsibility.
Anyway, there can't be any support for russia. And the way russia handles athlets is unhuman. To let them come back, means to respect this inhumanity. For example this Tuberize girls are not allowed to drink during olymics, worlds. In former times lots of athlets for the east block doped. And Kamila is a marketing point for for Putin. She has to decide, if she what's to be this. Her carrer is already finished. Thanks to Putin. Sad for figure skating fans.
I followed a lot of this saga as it was going down and since. It's a sad affair. People have a lot of complaints about Eteri and Sambo70. My biggest complaint is that during the Olympics she seemed to abandon Valieva, somewhat. I remember Valieva walking through the press area and having to do that all alone. She was a child. A coach should have been with her.
This is a very complicated topic and very big, id like to say that these girls have incredibly low body fat, they weight 92-100 pounds at a height of 4'11'-5'3' then they grow and age when they hit 16+ and grow 2 more inches and gain over 10-30lb in weight. This reason is a major reason why they struggle to jump consistently after turning adults cause of the quick and big change to their bodies.
Plus they develop unnaturally. We had a guy in my class in Moscow who was a figure skater and despite his sister who was just 1 year older he looked like a third grader in 5-6 grade . I remember he was always very short and even had short arms compared to his big head that looked his age. On TV u don’t even notice that stuff, now he looks quite normal though
@prisonisinourminds8070 I think the strict diets malnourish them slightly and the constant drilling and pressure impacts the body, I heard about strict diets impacting hormones accusing young girls puberty to be pushed into their 13-15 and they grow later on, some girls even loss their periods the whole time while on such a low body fat percentage
@prisonisinourminds8070 If you look at Kamilia and Sasha now they look wayy taller and not lean anymore but they matured alot in a short time now that they stopped skating competitively for about a year now, it's like a growth spurt in their last teens suddenly hits
They let 15 years old kid face off the media and cyberbullying by herself. That was disgusting to the adults behind it. Kamila has talent especially her artistry she's amazing one for me. Wednesday, Avatar, Girl on a ball and In the memorie are her best show. If you watch it, you will understand that doping is not necessary for her because it cannot make you perform beautifully. Those evil adults are destroying the dreams of children but they were not even punished at all. Poor kamila😢
It's really painful to watch these young people being used and abused for a sport. This isn't just a Russian thing. We as a society need to stop using children for our entertainment/glory, it's very sad. This is absolutely wild, I’m so interested, can’t wait to see the rest.
In this particular occurrence pointing that it is a Russian thing is extremely important. This whole 2022 story is only and only political. The second I heard that she was caught with doping I knew there was only one person behind it. PUTIN
Unfortunately, some parents live vicariously through their children, because they couldn't achieve or failed their own dreams of being an athlete or artist for many reasons and no amount of reasoning is going to change their minds in any way.
i've followed figure skating for many years and i gotta say your research for this is top notch, i don't think i've ever seen an "outsider" get everything so right
Confirmation bias. That's like me joining a group of star wars nerds and thinking: Finally, someone gets it right!.. most people watching this are already invested and interested in figureskating. 'Outsiders' aren't going to watch this.
I don't think any of this is Kamila's fault. Eteri, the girls' doctor & handlers on the team are in control over what they eat, how much they eat, which isn't enough for growing children. The girls obediently take their "vitamins" & liquid diets without question. Learn from the Secrets of the Dead episode "Doping for Gold." It sounds like the exact same thing is being repeated. Coaches don't make money without producing winners. Injured, broken, late teens are thrown away like trash. Unless, of course, the Eteri team (and judges) have been threatened with having their knees broken & their fingers cut off. Russia is run, after all, by Vladimir Putin. People who cross him conveniently disappear. The Russians used to combine the study of ballet along with figure skating, which made Russian skating so beautiful. Grinkov and Gordevia, double Olympic champions, are an excellent example of artistry, strength and grace. They had an illustrious career until his tragic sudden death in 1996. This should be the goal of Russian coaches for their skaters. Katia and Sergei ate real food and were never doped by unscrupulous coaches and doctors. I think malnourishing their athletes is not only cruel, it's cheating. It's terrible that it doesn't bother anyone to ruin perfectly good athletes & discard them when they're permanently injured physically and phycologically. Does anyone even care about these children? 😢💔
this video was seriously great, it's amazing how much effort you put into it and how concisely and interestingly everything is explained! the only little note i have is the clip of anna shcherbakova at 16:11 (her lying on the operating table) which is kind of framed in a negative light, with the red text and the use of "..." but it rly wasn't anything serious! the video is from a vlog she jokingly took while the surgery was going on (a very minor one from an ankle injury she recently sustained) that she at first decided not to post but then did (as a joke) bc she was under the influence of anesthesia at the time and she thought what she said was funny bc she wasn't thinking clearly lmao. so the "magic drug" thing isn't meant to be taken seriously, she's just not fully in her right mind bc of the anesthesia. at other moments, she was commenting on how the doctors were "very cool people" and how ed sheeran's bad habits was playing in the operating room lmao. a more accurate translation of what she said is: "i'm lying in the OR. I had time to cry... a little. I was kinda worried. But everything's already fine... because the magic drug's beginning to work. i already don't feel it. they just sewed up my foot. i won't reveal all the details of what they did to me there."
@@heyheyvicky1498 i know, i js wanted to clear it up bc the video is framed in kind of an ominous/serious light, while actually it wasn't rly a serious surgery and it was meant to be js a funny video :)
well, you're right but we don't know how serious her injury is. All we have is her words from that small vlog when she mentioned having a complete new ligament. Anna jumped consistently in shows for like a year and a half after winning the Olympics, even having 3-3 back in October and and it was in January when she started having troubles with things she used to do easily. Then she skipped like a month or two doing only masterclasses and no shows while wearing the fixator all this period of time so I would assume they hoped non-invasive treatment would help but it eventually didn't. Anna said multiple times that she was really worried and till today she can't walk without a crutch as the rehabilitation process goes on. So I would assume it's as serious as any "normal" injury for a competing athlete and not anything minor.
In my opinion figure skaters are not “telling stories” with their routines anymore. It’s all about how to fill the time between the next neck-breaking jump with the hope of sticking the landing. I remember Katharina Witt’s Carmen routine in the 80s. Katarina surely went through hard times in her training, but for whatever reason the final product was way more eye pleasing than what you can see at the Olympics today.
Did anyone else find Eteri’s rough handling of her skaters starting at 7:49 disturbing? She literally yanked her skaters, and it’s not like they’re that big😮
What surprised me the most about the weight questions to Scherbakova was Tsiscaridze's reaction (he is the one who talked to her)! Cruel, what? He is the head of Vaganova Ballet Academy, where weight standards are way more brutal! Scherbakova is 161/42kg, and Vaganova girls of the same height should weigh 40kg (just google "Vaganova weight chart"). So 161/42 is cruel, and 161/40 is suddenly OK?? He doesn't even know what his students are going through!
Vaganova's standarts are changed) At least we could see it at their final exams classes. For example: th-cam.com/video/8d8RJYWOGSw/w-d-xo.html ballerinas legs look more like figure skaters legs) They definitely weight more than 40 kg. Especially knowing that most of them are 165 cm +. You can compare to exams of early ..00s . Huge difference.
my height is 167 and weight 42 and I'm not a ballerina. many people are weighing the same. if you have the same fat in the us, it doesn't mean that everywhere the same.
it's horrific to think even such a low level and by all account unremarkable skater could talk so casually about doping. if this doesn't illustrate how systematic the doping is i don't know what can.
No one can even dream of competing on international level without doping nowadays. The video implies that only the Russians dope, but that's absolutely not true. They seem to be stupid enough to get caught time and time again, but no one wants to dig deeper to find the source of the problem, because that would expose everyone.
I feel so bad for so many of these girls. Anna and Alina won both of their Olympic Games, but because they're not Medvedeva or Trusova or Valieva, they get treated like such shit.
And the conspiracy theory about how the only reason that Anna keeps winning is because her parents are rich and have connections with the judges. So what? Blame the judges. Or blame her parents. Not her.
@bridgetbinion8Figure skating fans R one of the most passionate sports fans out there, unfortunately, there R also a few brain-dead haters and trolls that ruin the sports for everybody 🙄.494
This was so well produced. Being able to lend empathy towards the abuse of the young athletes, all the while discussing the social and political climate of Russia, part of its history and its future, all in 25 minutes was well done. Can’t wait to see more!
I’m russian and i really love our figure skaters but it doesn’t mean i can’t see the whole nightmare of this industry. These girls should live normal lives, the should be physically grown and healthy. I am really happy that the age has been changed for the Olympics. That’s so exciting to see grown girls skating - i really love japanese figure skating, i like our russian girl Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - she’s grown and really beautiful woman with phenomenal artistic skills and her jumps are beautiful too. I like Hendrix too btw. So please don’t you think that my country is the Hell, it is sad to see comments inspired by politics under this video
American here too, and despite the doping, I have enjoyed watching the Russian girls skate, even Kamila, so this whole story of doping and abuse really saddens me. Like you, I am happy they raised the age of Olympic eligibility.
I agree with you that the Russian skaters are simply the best! I love to watch them skate. It's sad to see so many injuries and to hear that their diets are so restricted. I was a huge Anna Scherbakova fan. She's so smart and so humble too.
This is so reminiscent of the US Olympic gymnastics program under Bela and Marta Karolyi; forcing athletes to compete with injuries, driving them to eating disorders, and bullying them and telling them they are worthless. I'm sure that the Russian figure skating team has a Larry Nassar in their midsts too, who is probably playing good guy to the skaters by sneaking them in candy. Olga Korbut and her fellow gymnasts were physically and sexually abused by their coach for years, and it was only when one of the gymnasts tried to kill herself and mentioned the coach's abuse in her suicide note that he was investigated but later cleared.
this video is literally insane in the best way, its one of the best video essays i've ever seen, as a die hard figure skater and lover of video essays, i literally cannot wait for the rest of the episodes.
I agree with everything you say. I am in no way a supporter of Russia and I firmly believe that what's being donе to those girls is a crime against both their person and figure skating in general. But I can't help, but notice how when Russia does it, it's called cheeting, but when USA does a very similar thing through Ilia Malinin it's call "pushing the sport". He is a teenage boy with absolutly no skatings skills, amount of jumps that no one has acheved before and both parants - former skates. I think that the similarities are obvious and rewarded by the ISU the same way it was with the Russians. I can point out to a very similar case, done by my own country - just google Stiliana Nikolova, rhythmic gymnast. She is a 19-year-old girl waiting approximately 35 kg, has an obliously prepubescent body and a mom, who is a former competitor. And we Bulgarians, and IGF, close our eyes, pritend this is normal and clap. I wish we can call thing for what they obliosly are and not point to unfairness only when it suits our political agend.
i blame Valieva's parents. they know the cost of 'glory'. yes their kid is talented but my gosh they know. how could they not know. each and every eteri girl in recent years that had retired was due to only two things, eating disorder or injury.
That is the problem IMO, everyone is so self rigthious and so fast to blame .. Too many "concerned" adults who attacked and bullied systematically this beutiful young hard working athleete.. and hurt her under pretence that they worried abuot whatever( children, weight, doping, abuse, etc).. .. Mastery and artistry of this kind cannot be achived by substances, steroids or stimulants, - only hard work and God's grace.. I can see the frustrations of thouse who cannot devote, endure day in and out work, sacrifise and cannot achive the hights of artistry and therefore tantruming and want to change the rules..( not just figure s skating, syncronized swimming, rhythmic gymnastic, etc) If they have it their way- it would simply make figure scating mediocre sport like curling- popularity will drop and phases out into obliviion.
But then they decided to include skateboarding in the Olympics, and we had kids as young as 11 years old who qualified to compete. It was only because the Olympics were delayed for a year that we did not have an 11 year old Olympian. Let's face it. The IOC doesn't care at all about the welfare of the athletes. If some get injured or even lose their lives, there's always another one to replace him or her. There was a fatality at the 2010 Olympics in luge. There had previously been concerns that the sliding track was too fast, but nothing was done about it. Fwiw figure skating is increasing the age at which girls may enter the senior competition. It is supposed to ensure that senior skaters have all gone through puberty. The hope is the coaches will not be pushing young girls to achieve quads. Artistic gymnastics is looking at implementing something similar.
Nikt się nie zajął. Skazali niewinną łyżwiarkę, a winni dalej bezkarnie trenują . Odpowiedzialność zbiorowa, to odpowiedni wyrok. Kamila sama z tym dopingiem nie miała nic wspólnego. To genialna łyżwiarką, inna niż wszystkie inne. Ma cudowne ruchy i genialne umiejętności. Jej ręce od najmłodszych lat falowały. To nie doping sprawił, że jest tak genialna.
I'm the kind of person who only watches figure skating during the Winter Olympics, but it is by far my favorite event of the games. I was looking forward to seeing the women's final but we all know how it went, and it was horrible to watch it unfold. I know for sure that in the next Olympics I'll avoid the women's figure skating like the plague unless the necessary changes are made.
Thankfully the international competitions raise age limits now. Therefore these joung girls can no longer perform at adult levels until they have been through puberty. Also the pointing system is slowly being change to favor more creative artistic expressions and cleanness over complicated jumps. The jump outscoring the other skill is one of the reasons why this approach worked to winn.
Puberty does not end at 17. A one year change is going to do nothing but make things worse. If you think puberty blockers are used now, you can rest assured they will be widespread with the new age limit. Same with starvation and everything else to keep a girl small. It will be torture for these girls as they are put into a holding pattern because people don't think about incentives with policies.
@@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628 I don't know, we've seen older, healthier gymnasts at this summer's Olympics, so I think raising the age limit is a very good thing. The fact that we have returning gymnasts, gymnasts in their late 20's, some in their 30s, still on the world stage, is soooo different from the 90's, and uh, maybe the 2008 Chinese team. (Lol, I love a lot of those athletes, but at least 2 had literal baby faces.) Anyway, not saying gymnastics is perfect - it too suffers from being about difficulty and jumps vs. any sort of artistry or flow, which I miss from earlier eras. BUT there are still very beautiful, outrageously talented older athletes out there performing, and they're not washed up by the time they're like....20. I think raising the age will encourage a slower rise to greatness, vs. a blink-and-you-miss-it career, where you're disposed of after a year of medals.
@@laurend9829 That age limit still punishes children for the sins of adults. Let them compete. If we're now at a point where athletes are staying in the game longer, and they get better over time, into their 20s, that's great - but let them compete against younger athletes if the younger athlete is at that level. Then see who's best. Age limit will also have unintended consequences where athletes try to stay small and light for a longer period of time.
OMG finally, I've been waiting forever for Kins to make new! DON'T skip a minute, a bit dense but this is such a rare find on youtube to get this much depth on this topic
This was a good video but I really didnt like the final apart about russian figure skating being all a show with costumes and crazy makeup like it was a bad thing. The problems u talked about during the video are true, the abuse and spectacular of this abuse on mostly young children is true and a disgusting thing happening in the sport; its also true that even tho it happens in other countries its usually more coveted while the russian situation is much more systemic and obvious and since then more shocking and problematic. But the downgrading of the “show” part of this disciplin makes me realize you are missing a big point about this sport and the history of this sport. Figure skating is also art, its not just competition, its ice shows, gala, it is spectacular and its fundamentally camp and glamour and a little bit of cringe (lol) and extravaganza. Especially the european side of the sport has always been a lot about shows, about backflips and crazy stunts on the ice, and costumes, and ridiculous music. Notably nowadays this side of figure skating is less visible in competitions where there are rigid rules and regulations and “standart” programs and more visible in galas and special performances from which u took ALL the clips shown in that particular part of this video. So this is a really nice and and well informed video and it touches a lot of problematic topics that should be more talked about in the sport; but that part was, in my opinion, a little bit misleading and purposefully ignorant about a large cultural part of this sport.
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Personally, I am very disgusted with the entire coaching staff around Kamila Valijeva, she should have been the figure skater of the century. It is her great personal tragedy. Her career was ruined by doping young women who smiled contentedly. Nevertheless, if a girl, even with the support of her mother, finds a taste and love for sports, anything can happen. Above all, let the girl not give up, already in that documentary she shows her own courage, that she is not afraid to face fear. Personally, I will say stop dirtying Kamila, I saw her live at one performance in St. Petersburg and I must say that she is really an ice queen for her age.
insane video ! thank you so much for explaining so well everything with very interisting critics. i don't skate nor follow competitive skating but always took an interest about what's going on behind the curtains so perfect video for me !
Let me know if I got it right? She spoke the truth that she used dope, witch on one hand is immoral for the other contenstants, but on the other hand is extremly brave thing to admit considering her freadom and sadly, she took all the blame and not the system that pushed her to cheat.
Kamila Valieva will always be the most talented figure skater in history. She easily could have been a prima ballerina, gymnast, or modern dancer. That's how talented she is. Eteri needed her, not the other way around. Pity what they did to Kamila's career.
Kamila is very talented, but it's kind of silly to say anyone is the best 'in history' when there are quite a few other legends to contend for that crown. Especially in different eras, with different performance criteria, and some of which I personally find more pleasing vs. the focus on jumps. That being said, I agree that she could've excelled in any other artistic sport, and her coach destroyed her career. Screw Eteri.
She won’t. Her reputation and legacy will forever be tarnished by doping, making people wonder how much of what she did was of her real talent and how much was enhanced thanks to medication. Her artistry and elasticity, yes, that’s something that nothing can take away from her, but the rest…. Personally, I reconsidered a lot of things about her after learning about the doping… I am always wondering when exactly did it start when I rewatch her performances. One has to be foolish to believe that 2022 was the first time
@@ingetamm7951 You raise valid points. And her short program at age 15 may not be valid according to the rules, and understandably so in fairness to other skaters. Nevertheless, in my view, it is the work of a child prodigy and therefore a gift. All the more tragic that she was repeatedly abused. The program is and always will be sublime... the best I've ever seen. Just my 2 cents.
listen, I cannot say anything about the doping of athletes at Eteri sambo70, still i believe the rumor that Valieva was taking substances, but we shouldn't mix things up, for example Yulia was at a completely normal level when she won the team gold in 2014, she lost the single gold after that and her skating was not out of the norm she had normal technical qualities and was among the best but she did not even climb the podium, also Trusova, she never been a consistent athlete since the age of 12, she works hard tirelessly but when she compete she rarely succeeds her quads really because it's hard, not to mention that she changes academy several times, and today she still has the ability to return to the competitions, these girls undergo training worse than the army, I look at other skaters from other countries they train maximum 4 hours a day in the extreme, the Russian skaters practically never leave the rink and that is plays on skills, the one who devotes more time to his objectives earns better you don't need to dope. doping is not only in Russia but we only point the finger at those we want to see, I am not Russian and I defend no doping, but we should learn to have the supervisor not to be bamboozled all the time by the media and mass opinion.
What was lost in all this is that Valieva was a minor and ostensibly a protected person before, during, and after Beijing. Furthermore, in my view, she was the recipient of repeated abuse. Adults failed her. The punishment was too severe in light of this. Something has to be done with the rule book. The protection of minors should be the highest priority...
as an ex-academy player who played in England watching your weight constantly and getting injured that ends your career are not a farm concept from me. I have seen these hundreds of times many boys just loose their careers before even having one.
What an interesting video this is. I am a Kamila Valieva fan and since 2022 I have felt only sympathy for Kamila from everything I see around her that either ruins or enhances her life. I want her to do better in Russia and to become bigger than ever after what she had to suffer in February of that year. I only feel that being patriotic and being seen with Putin will hinder her hopes for the future outside Russia. I think in the beginning that she had next to no idea about what doping was and is and her alleged 2nd mother, Eteri Tutberidze took advantage of Kamila and there is a culture of keeping your mouth shut about anything and Kamila out of loyalty would never open her mouth about "mum" and I wish she could find the freedom to speak more about things because underneath Kamila is a decent girl and I'd like to see Eteri Tutberidze taking the wrap instead of Kamila Valieva. Russian sports and most parts of that society has an undercurrent of corruption that goes back to one man and that's Putin. The puppet master, crook and the man Kamila should avoid, along with his gangster government. Kamila Valieva became an easy target for CAS and there American masters. The 4 years was way too much of a punishment , that should have been going to Tutberidze instead for what she done to a teenager. Corrupt Russian society ruined Kamila and destroyed her and set her up as an easy target for the USA. After Ukraine being Russian is being a target. Utterly unfair and what you are should not work against you. Also I seen some Chinese swimmers got caught doping and they never got a harsh punishment like Kamila. More injustice inflicted on a beautiful teenage girl
American here. Why do you think the USA personally targeted Kamila? The ultimate governing body of the Olympics is international and the head honcho isn't American. And we didn't even have any skaters we felt were going to make the podium, sooooo it's not like we swooped in to steal a medal from Russia. I think it's entirely unfair what happened to Kamila, and the adults in her life failed her. She is very talented and should be allowed to compete - 4 years ban is insane. Any ban should've gone to her coaches. Most sane people (from any country) don't blame a child for taking a prescribed banned 'medicine' from a bad doctor. Many, many people in the US were angry at her coaches, not a 16 year old girl! Especially with how cold they were to her and forcing her to face the press alone, or being hard on her after she fell. Cruel people. So no one country wanted to see her fail and targeted her. But extra criticism comes in because (obviously): Russia's politics and invasion are at the forefront of the world right now and they are fair game for criticism. You yourself leveled criticism at Putin and the government, and that's where MOST of it lies. However, there's lots of Russian social media and propaganda that paints the entire country as a victim, suffering under US-fueled Russophobia, as if any backlash isn't a result of an ongoing, uncalled for invasion into Ukraine. I think most Russians don't want war, and are probably too scared to speak up against their own government, so I don't blame them entirely for being reticent about speaking out. But people will still criticize corruption and unpopular invasions, so... yeah.
@laurend9829 Do your research and learn how sanctions work or how it looks when you ruin the other sides abilities to take part in sports. It is all to do with soft power and taking part in those sports. Propaganda they claim is one of Putin's weapons but I don't know if I see it the same as the American administration. I think they're all in there own way just as bad as one and other. You just have to look at the choices they have had for President. Trump and Biden aren't squeaky clean and I hope Harris will be better
Вы написали всё верно, в самую точку попали. Всё так и есть. С Камилой поступили очень подло. Очень много спортсменов принимают допинг и их прощают. Недавно теннисист Синер был пойман на допинге и через неделю его простили и допустили к турниру, китайская команда в полном составе была поймана и никого не наказали, а Камиле было всего 15 лет и микродоза препарата, который никак не помогает в фигурном катании. Это очень подло к самому талантливому фигуристу, вундеркинду.
YES like holy hell never I would have expected to hear Stamatin's pub music in this, very fitting too (the name of this channel is also a reference). Beautiful documentary btw.
On January 29, 2024, Kamila was disqualified from the team competition at the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, the gold was finally given to the United States, silver for Japan and the bronze medal for the Russian Olympic Committee, and the International Skating Union voted in favor to raise the age to 17 for senior skaters on June 7, 2022 for future competitions. By the time, the 4-year suspension ends on December 25, 2025, her chances of competing at the 2026 Milan - Cortina Winter Olympics will be very slim.
15:24 what is that, Sailor Moon? While I do think a cosplay ice dance routine is iconic and delightful, I can agree seeing it on an elite or olympic level feels like a cheap gimmick to say the least
Personally, I believe Valieva when she said she didn't KNOWINGLY take performance enhancing drugs. But still, drugs were found in her system. She was the victim of some coach, doctor, therapist who managed to get this drug into her body. Kamila has been punished over and over for the gross illegal actions of someone in her circle.
It is obvious that these Russian girls have been doped. They look extremly over energized as they spin and jump around the ice. I have never seen anything quite like this. Unfair to other skaters who play by the rules.
Fantastic video on a terrible topic. The fact a magical athlete like Valieva is the one being punished and not the coach and the whole system behind it is just unbelievable. Well done to you for making this very interesting video and do better to the world for doing what you're doing every day!
Olympics was an absolute sh*t show and ruined the sport for me yet again. Especially because Kamila is such a 1 in a Mio. skater, even without her jumps she has such a presence and artistry on the ice. I hope this is not the end of her career, but I would have loved for Eteri to finally be stopped. And I have to admit that I liked watching competitions without Russia, not because if the absence if their atheltes, but you knew there would be no drama (besides falls). The video was very good and I'd love for you to make one about scoring, since it is a hot topic for many years now.
Sorry for the long comment...I have maintained and still maintain that Valieva was not doped. The circumstances of the testing are very shady. Also, TMZ is not a doping agent. No literature supports a PED effect. The heart primarily uses fat for energy. TMZ throttles that pathway in order to ramp up the use of glucose which is faster, but the person does not get a net increase in energy production. Also, at high exercise intensities, the heart shifts and instead of relying on glucose like the brain and skeletal muscle, it relies on lactate. You get nothing from trying to shunt more activity through the glucose pathway. There is simply no justification for TMZ being a PED. Also, before it was banned they looked at blood samples from a place where many world class athletes were training in Europe. TMZ was present in a ratio of 24 out of 10,000 - this was when it was legal. It's very cheap and out of your system quickly. If it worked, you would have seen it in far, far, far more samples than 24 out of 10,000. I think Valieva is innocent. Her tests at the Olympics were clean, to my knowledge, and TMZ had no effect on her (if we are to believe it was ever in her system), yet she was vilified by true scumbags like Johnny Weir, and she was broken at the Olympics. Treating a child like that is disgusting. For those that don't like figure skating and gymnastics for the young ages and small bodies - these are two sports where it pays to be young and small. Most sports are heavily biased against the young and small. A person who is at the top of the world by age 14 should not be denied that opportunity. Becoming an Olympian or even a World or Olympic Champ will set that person up for life. These opportunities for children should never be taken away. That is cruel and inhumane. Raising the age limit will only guarantee that parents and coaches use starvation, puberty blockers etc, to keep a child small for longer, and this practice will increase in prevalence as you increase the competition age. You must always keep in mind the incentives you create, not just the desires you have. Every time these stories emerge it's the same crowd with the same mantra, 'no children, raise the age' etc, and every single time it's the adults that let the children down. Where is the punishment for the adults? Why are the kids going to be punished for the sins of adults? It makes no sense. People need to realize that virtually every athlete at that level is looking for every possible advantage. There might be some sports where doping is rare, but most dope and the US is full of doping. But in the US we have a decentralized system with many designer drugs, specifically made to evade current testing protocols. In other nations, it is more centralized but the practice is still the same. Not sure what the tally is after the winter Olympics, but since the start of drug testing, the USSR and Russia combined have only one more Olympic medal taken away due to doping, than the US. When people throw stones at Russia, they need to realize they are living in a glass house. In 2008 they caught a major middle man transporting PEDs to sprinters. They asked him, "Of the sprinters in the final at the Olympics..." and he interrupted them and said, "They're all doped". That is the reality. Lastly, before the Olympics I questioned the wisdom of Eteri in putting Valieva in the team competition. I believe she could have put Trusova in the short program and Anna in the long program. That would have been a path to get each girl a gold medal (assuming I'm right about how she could allocate the skaters). She made bad decisions, IMO. Not only did it cost Valieva, it cost the entire Russian team a gold medal. I think Valieva is now an adult or close to it - she has probably been irreparably harmed / traumatized and it's a guarantee that it was adults that are responsible. Doping is not the biggest issue here - it's the treatment of children. We must do better in how children are treated.
Raising the age is necessary though. Aside from the obvious child abuse (that unfortunately will exist in any sport regardless of age limit) it would definitely help in making this sport more artistic again. Figure skating itself has become a sport where only quads and triples are appreciated. It is near impossible for 18+ girls to do multiples of quads in one go. Therefore they will put more effort into the artistry of it instead of just jumping around. Yuna kim and Carolina kostner are great examples of strong and artistic figure skaters who were 20 and 20+ respectively during the Olympics.
@@zarleeno_o7821 Raising the age is a terrible idea. You are, like so many others, justifying punishing children because of the sins of adults. And you admit that abuse will be there regardless of age - that is a very clear indicator that you don't go after age - you go after abuse. The sport is very artistic as it is. It's just added more athleticism. If you want to tilt things to artistry then you change the scoring.
What is cruel is starving, physically damaging and emotional scarring little girls and teenage girls! No medal is worth the pain and suffering these girls are put through at the hands of adults. They live life long pain and mental anguish for what? How you can be for that is disgusting. “It pays to be young and small” No, it’s malnourished and underweight children with underdeveloped bodies giving the illusion of speed and height. INSTEAD of strength, actual speed and skill with proper technique as a fully grown, nourished adult athlete. With the right nourishment, necessary age restrictions and technique, women could easily achieve the same things. But, they aren’t getting the opportunity to due to this evil recycling of little girls. Your priorities are all wrong and your mindset is disgusting.
@@psycherevivedby Your reading comprehension is pretty bad. So is your analysis. This sport is about physics and physics is about math - I don't care how old the athlete is, they will all be starving themselves to get as small as possible. The difference will be that older athletes will do it themselves while the younger ones will have a parent or coach bearing down on them constantly to impose the discipline. The result will be the same with regard to starvation, and for older skaters it might be worse. Weight loss drugs and other substances will be rampant and increase in use as you increase the age requirement. I'm not for abuse - if you could actually read and not just emote, you would see that. You're in that group that thinks age limits will magically fix things, and it won't do that at all. There is no "illusion" of speed and height. There's a reason the older skaters are not doing the same maneuvers. Again, it's about physics. The older skaters are not and will not ever do the same things that Valieva was doing at 15. Physics. Again, physics. You have a profound lack of awareness here. Tuktamisheva(sp?) is a great example. She is impeccable in her technique and has taken care of herself better than anyone - and where does she rank next to the younger girls? Several spots below. That's just the way it is. Things are not unfair for her, either. She was at that age once and she's been a champion before, but those days are behind her, even though she is incredibly talented and still one of the best. Your inability to see cause and effect is what's disgusting. People like you with these misguided ideas about age limits will guarantee that more girls endure more hardship because they, their parents, and their coaches will go to even greater lengths to keep them small and light for longer periods so they are still small once they progress to whatever arbitrary, ridiculous age you impose on them. Even worse, this will be done when these girls are still classified as juniors and hardly any attention is paid to them, so they will suffer in anonymity and no attention will be paid to what's going on. Only the ones that can emerge from that, into the senior ranks, still super tiny, will still complete, and rest assured the trail of broken bodies prior to senior competition eligibility will get longer. You are yet another person that believes you can apply arbitrary sets of rules and magically the abuse will disappear. The abuse will remain if you don't address the abuse. You have to run the coaches out of the sport when they harm athletes. But your misguided efforts will only serve to increase suffering, increase abuse, and punish some of the world's best athletes because you don't think they're old enough. Your position here is absurd. It discriminates against younger athletes and sets the conditions for even more abuse than what you are complaining about currently.
@@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628There is a reason age limits exit in most areas of human endeavour. Even for something as physically harmless as the Eurovision song contest, you have to be at least 16 to perform. Because it's recognised that some pressure situations are not suitable nor healthy for children. If athletes in a sport are consistently at the top of their game at 14/15 before becoming 'expired' by 18...that means the nature and culture of the sport should be evaluated, not that we should simply adapt to treat the idea that some elite sports are for children as the norm. Children are not mentally equipped to deal with the pressures of performing on the global stage, you don't need to look behind the trauma of the Eteri girls at the 2022 Olympics to see that. Artistic gymnastics in the US had a similar culture for a long time. And you're probably aware of the abuse that was happening behind the scenes there. In this example, you can see how changes in the culture have led to greater longevity. Heck, Simone Biles is still competitive at 27! In the era of Marta Karoliy she would have been considered over the hill 7 years ago. It's not just that some sports need you to be young and small. It's that the culture within some sports create an environment where adults push children beyond their limit and use any means necessary to win.
I'm not sure Meldonium (sp?) works. Russian gymnast, Aliya Mustafina, said they gave it to her before it was banned and she said it did nothing for her.
@@roddo1955 All of this is a lie - the drug does not increase stamina. There is zero evidence of this and there isn't even a mechanism for it. It throttles the dominant resting substrate pathway and the math doesn't work, and at high intensities the dominant substrate is lactate, and you aren't going to get more ATP from throttling fat metabolism and increasing glucose metabolism. The heart doesn't work that way. If the heart was engineered to use glucose in high amounts you'd drain too much from the blood and deny it for the brain, which is dependent on it. And as mentioned, when the drug was legal it was found in very few samples. If it worked, it would have been rampant.
The whole system is set up against the best interests of the child athlete - and yes, I consider them children, esp Eteri’s students. I thought it was telling and very sad indeed when Zagitova pretty much said all the injuries she suffered would be worth it because it would really help her parents, (presumably if she won Olympic gold). Much like child Hollywood stars - Macauley Kulkin comes to mind - when the parents depend on the child as the major wage earner, it creates an imbalanced situation in terms of the dynamics of the parent-child relationship. No child should have to bear the brunt of having to be responsible for his/her family’s finances.
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I have to offer my opinion on this. 1. Russia is not the only one guilty of exploiting athletes. Check the American gymnastics team molesting. 2. Russia is not the only one using dangerous substances. Check body-building and how people are actually dying. 3. America does it way better using child stars to rake in money. Check Ezra Miller. 4. I am sorry, but the Olympics have become more and more political. Check those TH-camr's rants about how Simone Biles betrayed American values when she quit part of the games. This doesn't mean Russia is not guilty. This means 1. There are some systematic problems worldwide with professional sports. 2. Anyone is capable of doing something evil. Accusing a specific group while ignoring others will only make things worse. If there is a loophole, people are going to exploit it.
Russia's athletics are state-run. US Gymnastics, Figure skating and other sports are private organizations that receive no government funding. It is an apples and oranges comparison. Yes there was abuse in gymnastics. The perpetrator was prosecuted and is in prison basically for life. The organization paid out hundred of millions of dollars to victim and have pledged reform. Where is the same accountability and commitment for what Russia has done?
And none of this is even necessary! Look at Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, who is also Russian but trained in a more responsible way under Alexei Mishin. At the last Olympics she was 25 and had Ultra C elements, as well as being a fantastic dancer with a beautiful, expressive style. No doping with her, and she's clearly not a starving child. The reason she wasn't picked for the Olympics seems to have been politics. She would have been a much better representative, but now she's 27 and seems to be about to retire... I may not agree with her politically, but The Empress deserved better.
@@mademsoisellerhapsody 2021 - covid season. Russian skaters had an advantage among other participants because they competed inside Russia. Why Russia should have sent her to 2022 Olympics? She failed in Russian Championship and missed her chance.
And for what.. a medal? Do they think people wake up every day and the pause a bit to admire who won the gold medal. No.. People are too deep in their troubled daily lives to care who won the gold medal.. I for one don't care if Russia is the best in figure skating or Antarctic penguins.
I'm interested to see more details about the Chinese swimmers when you publish that. The anti-doping agencies all suck, in my opinion. The clowns at USADA were an embarrassment during this saga. They whined and cried endlessly. USADA is the same group that busted a weightlifter for doping at a qualifier and still let the lifter go to the championship meet, for which doping was used to qualify, but then cried about Valieva for exceedingly small amounts of TMZ, weeks before the Olympics, with clean tests at the Olympics. USADA is a joke of an organization.
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I find it interesting that there are eteri fans who refuse to acknowledge the truth about the toxic culture and malnourishment. It's not even worth it to fight in the comments anymore. Russia feels like it is as isolated as north korea in its thinking patterns.
A lot of them are government bots I’m sure. Navalny had a video about them
Interesting!
It's 2024 and y'all still using the same script with zero concrete evidence. The imagined toxic culture and malnourishment though. 😂
@@wkim22 listen to all her skaters they all say the same thing about eteri. Plus lipnitskaya had anorexia as well as another her skater it’s a fact. You can watch eteri’s interviews she is not shy about her ways at all
@@wkim22 plus the fact that she always talks dirty about all her skaters online is very telling. Watch kostornaia’s interview she talks about many things in detail🙄🙄
the most ridiculous in this story that valieva was punished but eteri didn’t.
But she should be punished for the whole her life and don’t work with kids.
Instead she continues to work with kids not only in russia but in the world
Probably, it's a matter of time. I mean there is a feeling that she will never be allowed to win anything at internationals competitions in future.
@@ВалентинИгоревич-з5йbut she was on championship, she is a coach of her dotter which now “represents” Georgia. Actually, the question how she is so quickly changed a country. Because no one else can do it, except her dotter and her partner. Only for next year.
As well they have a proxy russian team which “represents “ other countries but in fact the skaters train in sambo 70.
And figure skating federation dont want to stop it.
She should have at least received a ban as long as Kamila.
blame the useless isu which tolerates such awful behaviour and actions
Eteri is not a coach of her daughter, she and her husband train in Canada and yes her daughter represents Georgia in the ice dance category, but her mother Eteri Tutberidze has a Georgian name and surname simply because ethnicly she is half Georgian. Eteri also has done a great job to Georgia by training moris kvitelashvili and nika egadze, who have won many titles.
The thing that makes the most mad is the fact that everyone including the west and the ISU just threw Kamila under the bus and didn’t even bother doing anything else. Im sure they will just let Eteri and the creepy doctor back into the next Olympics like nothing ever happened
Valieva lied through her teeth. The free skate at the Olympics was one of the ugliest skating events in history. Valieva collapsed because she knew the truth and Eteri yelled at her. Then Trusova goes into a crying meltdown because she came in second. The winner was left sitting there all alone wondering if she was in the wrong room. Russia should be banned from all athletic competitions for the near future. They are disgusting.
@@jondavwal13alright racist. By your logic, USA should also be banned for their previous doping allegations just because SOME people chose to dope.
Using children as lab rats is wrong. Banning Russia gives the powers that be exactly what they want: Isolation.
@@jondavwal13I don't think it's the athletes. Their coaches, doctors and the powers that be are using these children as lab rats. I don't think these children know they're being doped. Substances are probably hidden in their "vitamins." Isolation is what they want: Fertile ground to continue abusive children without being held accountable. 😢
@@pulacascar179I missed the racist part, please explain.
i feel bad for kamila-she has so much talent, she deserves to share it with the world and get awarded accordingly for it. it sucks that the adults around her failed her
I agree i blame coach and president Putin ruin it for other athletes
💯 Kamila is a treasure
She won’t even get the chance to come back for Milan 2026 despite her ban ending in late December of 2025. If Russia is allowed to compete in Milan, she won’t be able to work towards qualifying for any Olympic qualifier competitions, let alone compete in them. She won’t even need to retire before the Eteri Expiration Date gets her since her doping ban solidified her retirement. The worst part: her coaches go unpunished and continue abusing the next generation and replacing them like they are disposable.
I don't know if Valieva was aware she was taking a banned substance. She has said she was not. But she was in my view the recipient of repeated abuse and, without question, a child prodigy. All the while she was ostensibly a protected person. A great pity figure skating has become so politicized.
What you have to know about russians is that lying is natural to them.
💯 she was a prodigy that was thrown to the wolves. She will always be the most talented figure skater in history in my eyes. I've watched trip performances from a young age and that girl is so talented she is beyond
@@primalcritters Her short program at age 15 will likely never be eclipsed IMHO
@@primalcrittersshe is the figure of ice skating
I don’t think she knew. I think it was her coaching team. They just hand the girls “vitamins” and supplements and the girls are supposed to take them…because it’s Russia and these girls can’t second guess their authority figures if they want to make it to the top
So insane a 15 year old would be held accountable for doping. It’s like people forget a lot of these athletes are minors (and therefore probably pressured/forced/coerced into things…)
Agree. Kamila was a sacrificial lamb. Most talented skater in history. Heartbreaking
No it's not insane, yes it's not just her fault but she does hold some responsibility. You always have a choice, if she's as talented as she is other countries would be tripping over themselves to sign her. Trust me I get the pressure and the reasons to take the dope. But like I said you still have a choice. Your making the choice to do it and as such you also bare some of the responsibility.
@@dimetime35c No, a 15 year old who was coerced into taking a drug is not responsible for that. You sound creepy asf, that's a child being abused
@@dimetime35cyou don’t always have a choice
Anyway, there can't be any support for russia. And the way russia handles athlets is unhuman. To let them come back, means to respect this inhumanity. For example this Tuberize girls are not allowed to drink during olymics, worlds. In former times lots of athlets for the east block doped. And Kamila is a marketing point for for Putin. She has to decide, if she what's to be this. Her carrer is already finished. Thanks to Putin. Sad for figure skating fans.
I followed a lot of this saga as it was going down and since. It's a sad affair. People have a lot of complaints about Eteri and Sambo70. My biggest complaint is that during the Olympics she seemed to abandon Valieva, somewhat. I remember Valieva walking through the press area and having to do that all alone. She was a child. A coach should have been with her.
This is a very complicated topic and very big, id like to say that these girls have incredibly low body fat, they weight 92-100 pounds at a height of 4'11'-5'3' then they grow and age when they hit 16+ and grow 2 more inches and gain over 10-30lb in weight. This reason is a major reason why they struggle to jump consistently after turning adults cause of the quick and big change to their bodies.
Plus they develop unnaturally. We had a guy in my class in Moscow who was a figure skater and despite his sister who was just 1 year older he looked like a third grader in 5-6 grade . I remember he was always very short and even had short arms compared to his big head that looked his age. On TV u don’t even notice that stuff, now he looks quite normal though
Like if you look at trusova in 2021 she looked about 12-13 years old when in reality she was almost 16.
I’m sure extreme amounts of practice that alters your body growth is very unhealthy
@prisonisinourminds8070 I think the strict diets malnourish them slightly and the constant drilling and pressure impacts the body, I heard about strict diets impacting hormones accusing young girls puberty to be pushed into their 13-15 and they grow later on, some girls even loss their periods the whole time while on such a low body fat percentage
@prisonisinourminds8070 If you look at Kamilia and Sasha now they look wayy taller and not lean anymore but they matured alot in a short time now that they stopped skating competitively for about a year now, it's like a growth spurt in their last teens suddenly hits
They let 15 years old kid face off the media and cyberbullying by herself. That was disgusting to the adults behind it. Kamila has talent especially her artistry she's amazing one for me. Wednesday, Avatar, Girl on a ball and In the memorie are her best show. If you watch it, you will understand that doping is not necessary for her because it cannot make you perform beautifully. Those evil adults are destroying the dreams of children but they were not even punished at all. Poor kamila😢
Eteri “Athletes need to be given vitamins.” Yeah, how about getting your vitamins through food?
It's really painful to watch these young people being used and abused for a sport. This isn't just a Russian thing. We as a society need to stop using children for our entertainment/glory, it's very sad.
This is absolutely wild, I’m so interested, can’t wait to see the rest.
In this particular occurrence pointing that it is a Russian thing is extremely important. This whole 2022 story is only and only political. The second I heard that she was caught with doping I knew there was only one person behind it. PUTIN
It is in China as well, but they learned from russia
Unfortunately, some parents live vicariously through their children, because they couldn't achieve or failed their own dreams of being an athlete or artist for many reasons and no amount of reasoning is going to change their minds in any way.
In this case,; this is definitely a Russian thing.
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i've followed figure skating for many years and i gotta say your research for this is top notch, i don't think i've ever seen an "outsider" get everything so right
Confirmation bias. That's like me joining a group of star wars nerds and thinking: Finally, someone gets it right!..
most people watching this are already invested and interested in figureskating. 'Outsiders' aren't going to watch this.
Patiently waiting for another video, your editing is TOP TIER!
I don't think any of this is Kamila's fault. Eteri, the girls' doctor & handlers on the team are in control over what they eat, how much they eat, which isn't enough for growing children. The girls obediently take their "vitamins" & liquid diets without question. Learn from the Secrets of the Dead episode "Doping for Gold." It sounds like the exact same thing is being repeated. Coaches don't make money without producing winners. Injured, broken, late teens are thrown away like trash. Unless, of course, the Eteri team (and judges) have been threatened with having their knees broken & their fingers cut off. Russia is run, after all, by Vladimir Putin. People who cross him conveniently disappear. The Russians used to combine the study of ballet along with figure skating, which made Russian skating so beautiful. Grinkov and Gordevia, double Olympic champions, are an excellent example of artistry, strength and grace. They had an illustrious career until his tragic sudden death in 1996. This should be the goal of Russian coaches for their skaters. Katia and Sergei ate real food and were never doped by unscrupulous coaches and doctors. I think malnourishing their athletes is not only cruel, it's cheating. It's terrible that it doesn't bother anyone to ruin perfectly good athletes & discard them when they're permanently injured physically and phycologically. Does anyone even care about these children? 😢💔
No
No. So many of these Russian coaches only care about the medals and notoriety their students bring to them.
Kamila really was a sacrificial lamb. She had so much amazing talent but Team Tut couldn’t help but screw her over for their own benefit.
It wasn't just Kamila tho.
THIS IS SO WELL PUT TOGETHER!! IM EXCITED TO WATCH MORE OF YOUR CONTENT!!!
this video was seriously great, it's amazing how much effort you put into it and how concisely and interestingly everything is explained! the only little note i have is the clip of anna shcherbakova at 16:11 (her lying on the operating table) which is kind of framed in a negative light, with the red text and the use of "..." but it rly wasn't anything serious! the video is from a vlog she jokingly took while the surgery was going on (a very minor one from an ankle injury she recently sustained) that she at first decided not to post but then did (as a joke) bc she was under the influence of anesthesia at the time and she thought what she said was funny bc she wasn't thinking clearly lmao. so the "magic drug" thing isn't meant to be taken seriously, she's just not fully in her right mind bc of the anesthesia. at other moments, she was commenting on how the doctors were "very cool people" and how ed sheeran's bad habits was playing in the operating room lmao.
a more accurate translation of what she said is: "i'm lying in the OR. I had time to cry... a little. I was kinda worried. But everything's already fine... because the magic drug's beginning to work. i already don't feel it. they just sewed up my foot. i won't reveal all the details of what they did to me there."
I understood "magic drug" as pain medication/for numbing the area that had to be treated... didn't seem like a reference to any doping stuff to me?
@@heyheyvicky1498 i know, i js wanted to clear it up bc the video is framed in kind of an ominous/serious light, while actually it wasn't rly a serious surgery and it was meant to be js a funny video :)
well, you're right but we don't know how serious her injury is. All we have is her words from that small vlog when she mentioned having a complete new ligament. Anna jumped consistently in shows for like a year and a half after winning the Olympics, even having 3-3 back in October and and it was in January when she started having troubles with things she used to do easily. Then she skipped like a month or two doing only masterclasses and no shows while wearing the fixator all this period of time so I would assume they hoped non-invasive treatment would help but it eventually didn't. Anna said multiple times that she was really worried and till today she can't walk without a crutch as the rehabilitation process goes on. So I would assume it's as serious as any "normal" injury for a competing athlete and not anything minor.
Что только не придумает Щербакова перед соревнованиям, продуманная девица одним словом " интеллигентная" умная" краёв не видать😂
@@ТамараПетрухина-г6ю голова дана чтоб думать. Только русские болельщики додумались обвинить спортсменку в наличии ума.
In my opinion figure skaters are not “telling stories” with their routines anymore. It’s all about how to fill the time between the next neck-breaking jump with the hope of sticking the landing.
I remember Katharina Witt’s Carmen routine in the 80s. Katarina surely went through hard times in her training, but for whatever reason the final product was way more eye pleasing than what you can see at the Olympics today.
This can be said for most artistic discoplines nowadays. I would argue artistic gymnastics is affected to an even higher degree.
@@kikiTHEalien absolutely agree with you.
The quality of this video 🧎🏾♀️🧎🏾♀️🧎🏾♀️ I stan
Did anyone else find Eteri’s rough handling of her skaters starting at 7:49 disturbing? She literally yanked her skaters, and it’s not like they’re that big😮
What surprised me the most about the weight questions to Scherbakova was Tsiscaridze's reaction (he is the one who talked to her)! Cruel, what? He is the head of Vaganova Ballet Academy, where weight standards are way more brutal! Scherbakova is 161/42kg, and Vaganova girls of the same height should weigh 40kg (just google "Vaganova weight chart"). So 161/42 is cruel, and 161/40 is suddenly OK?? He doesn't even know what his students are going through!
Vaganova's standarts are changed)
At least we could see it at their final exams classes.
For example:
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ballerinas legs look more like figure skaters legs) They definitely weight more than 40 kg. Especially knowing that most of them are 165 cm +.
You can compare to exams of early ..00s . Huge difference.
my height is 167 and weight 42 and I'm not a ballerina. many people are weighing the same. if you have the same fat in the us, it doesn't mean that everywhere the same.
it's horrific to think even such a low level and by all account unremarkable skater could talk so casually about doping. if this doesn't illustrate how systematic the doping is i don't know what can.
If you’re talking about Anastasia, that’s a child. An exploited child.
No one can even dream of competing on international level without doping nowadays. The video implies that only the Russians dope, but that's absolutely not true. They seem to be stupid enough to get caught time and time again, but no one wants to dig deeper to find the source of the problem, because that would expose everyone.
Kaori's tears were happy tears. She medaled and is now the three-time reigning World Champion.
I feel so bad for so many of these girls. Anna and Alina won both of their Olympic Games, but because they're not Medvedeva or Trusova or Valieva, they get treated like such shit.
And the conspiracy theory about how the only reason that Anna keeps winning is because her parents are rich and have connections with the judges. So what? Blame the judges. Or blame her parents. Not her.
@@bridgetbinion8494🤣 liar from West
@bridgetbinion8Figure skating fans R one of the most passionate sports fans out there, unfortunately, there R also a few brain-dead haters and trolls that ruin the sports for everybody 🙄.494
Почему вы жалеете Анну? Она даже в подмётки не годится Камиле Валиевой. Она даже её мизинца не стоит.
@@PrinceofTroy-kx3nk yes, so many of the Trusova stans are so toxic.
This was so well produced. Being able to lend empathy towards the abuse of the young athletes, all the while discussing the social and political climate of Russia, part of its history and its future, all in 25 minutes was well done. Can’t wait to see more!
I saw kamila in jgpf in torino, she was really good. She did not need fake quads and dope…but human greed is endless…
How do you know that she doesn’t need, she probably takes drugs for ages
@@juliadizhak8397 с самого рождения, лол
I’m russian and i really love our figure skaters but it doesn’t mean i can’t see the whole nightmare of this industry. These girls should live normal lives, the should be physically grown and healthy. I am really happy that the age has been changed for the Olympics. That’s so exciting to see grown girls skating - i really love japanese figure skating, i like our russian girl Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - she’s grown and really beautiful woman with phenomenal artistic skills and her jumps are beautiful too. I like Hendrix too btw. So please don’t you think that my country is the Hell, it is sad to see comments inspired by politics under this video
American here and we love Tuktamysheva!
American here too, and despite the doping, I have enjoyed watching the Russian girls skate, even Kamila, so this whole story of doping and abuse really saddens me. Like you, I am happy they raised the age of Olympic eligibility.
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
I agree with you that the Russian skaters are simply the best! I love to watch them skate. It's sad to see so many injuries and to hear that their diets are so restricted. I was a huge Anna Scherbakova fan. She's so smart and so humble too.
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Tbf US had 1 all around women’s gymnast before 2004 and now we can’t seem to lose.
And USA has a gymnast, Biles, that is the only woman that can do some movements, but that's okay, she's american.
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This is so reminiscent of the US Olympic gymnastics program under Bela and Marta Karolyi; forcing athletes to compete with injuries, driving them to eating disorders, and bullying them and telling them they are worthless. I'm sure that the Russian figure skating team has a Larry Nassar in their midsts too, who is probably playing good guy to the skaters by sneaking them in candy. Olga Korbut and her fellow gymnasts were physically and sexually abused by their coach for years, and it was only when one of the gymnasts tried to kill herself and mentioned the coach's abuse in her suicide note that he was investigated but later cleared.
this video is literally insane in the best way, its one of the best video essays i've ever seen, as a die hard figure skater and lover of video essays, i literally cannot wait for the rest of the episodes.
ehmmm Brian Orser also walked away with 2 students who got Gold and Bronze at the Olympics in 2018. It wasn't only Eteri.
Without the abuse and the drugs that's the difference.
I agree with everything you say. I am in no way a supporter of Russia and I firmly believe that what's being donе to those girls is a crime against both their person and figure skating in general. But I can't help, but notice how when Russia does it, it's called cheeting, but when USA does a very similar thing through Ilia Malinin it's call "pushing the sport". He is a teenage boy with absolutly no skatings skills, amount of jumps that no one has acheved before and both parants - former skates. I think that the similarities are obvious and rewarded by the ISU the same way it was with the Russians. I can point out to a very similar case, done by my own country - just google Stiliana Nikolova, rhythmic gymnast. She is a 19-year-old girl waiting approximately 35 kg, has an obliously prepubescent body and a mom, who is a former competitor. And we Bulgarians, and IGF, close our eyes, pritend this is normal and clap. I wish we can call thing for what they obliosly are and not point to unfairness only when it suits our political agend.
Was Malinin caught doping? no. Is his technique heavily reliant on low weight and prerotation? no.
False equivalancy and whataboutism
i blame Valieva's parents. they know the cost of 'glory'. yes their kid is talented but my gosh they know. how could they not know. each and every eteri girl in recent years that had retired was due to only two things, eating disorder or injury.
That is the problem IMO, everyone is so self rigthious and so fast to blame .. Too many "concerned" adults who attacked and bullied systematically this beutiful young hard working athleete.. and hurt her under pretence that they worried abuot whatever( children, weight, doping, abuse, etc).. .. Mastery and artistry of this kind cannot be achived by substances, steroids or stimulants, - only hard work and God's grace.. I can see the frustrations of thouse who cannot devote, endure day in and out work, sacrifise and cannot achive the hights of artistry and therefore tantruming and want to change the rules..( not just figure s skating, syncronized swimming, rhythmic gymnastic, etc)
If they have it their way- it would simply make figure scating mediocre sport like curling- popularity will drop and phases out into obliviion.
I'm convinced that they should ban minors from the Olympics.
But then they decided to include skateboarding in the Olympics, and we had kids as young as 11 years old who qualified to compete. It was only because the Olympics were delayed for a year that we did not have an 11 year old Olympian.
Let's face it. The IOC doesn't care at all about the welfare of the athletes. If some get injured or even lose their lives, there's always another one to replace him or her. There was a fatality at the 2010 Olympics in luge. There had previously been concerns that the sliding track was too fast, but nothing was done about it.
Fwiw figure skating is increasing the age at which girls may enter the senior competition. It is supposed to ensure that senior skaters have all gone through puberty. The hope is the coaches will not be pushing young girls to achieve quads.
Artistic gymnastics is looking at implementing something similar.
So well thought out commentary and production.
Finally someone taking about this❤
Nikt się nie zajął. Skazali niewinną łyżwiarkę, a winni dalej bezkarnie trenują . Odpowiedzialność zbiorowa, to odpowiedni wyrok. Kamila sama z tym dopingiem nie miała nic wspólnego. To genialna łyżwiarką, inna niż wszystkie inne. Ma cudowne ruchy i genialne umiejętności. Jej ręce od najmłodszych lat falowały. To nie doping sprawił, że jest tak genialna.
@@jolantagolebiewska5263 English sir we don’t understand
excellent work! And outstanding narration
I'm the kind of person who only watches figure skating during the Winter Olympics, but it is by far my favorite event of the games.
I was looking forward to seeing the women's final but we all know how it went, and it was horrible to watch it unfold.
I know for sure that in the next Olympics I'll avoid the women's figure skating like the plague unless the necessary changes are made.
Thankfully the international competitions raise age limits now. Therefore these joung girls can no longer perform at adult levels until they have been through puberty. Also the pointing system is slowly being change to favor more creative artistic expressions and cleanness over complicated jumps. The jump outscoring the other skill is one of the reasons why this approach worked to winn.
Puberty does not end at 17. A one year change is going to do nothing but make things worse. If you think puberty blockers are used now, you can rest assured they will be widespread with the new age limit. Same with starvation and everything else to keep a girl small. It will be torture for these girls as they are put into a holding pattern because people don't think about incentives with policies.
@@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628 I don't know, we've seen older, healthier gymnasts at this summer's Olympics, so I think raising the age limit is a very good thing. The fact that we have returning gymnasts, gymnasts in their late 20's, some in their 30s, still on the world stage, is soooo different from the 90's, and uh, maybe the 2008 Chinese team. (Lol, I love a lot of those athletes, but at least 2 had literal baby faces.) Anyway, not saying gymnastics is perfect - it too suffers from being about difficulty and jumps vs. any sort of artistry or flow, which I miss from earlier eras. BUT there are still very beautiful, outrageously talented older athletes out there performing, and they're not washed up by the time they're like....20. I think raising the age will encourage a slower rise to greatness, vs. a blink-and-you-miss-it career, where you're disposed of after a year of medals.
@@laurend9829 That age limit still punishes children for the sins of adults. Let them compete. If we're now at a point where athletes are staying in the game longer, and they get better over time, into their 20s, that's great - but let them compete against younger athletes if the younger athlete is at that level. Then see who's best. Age limit will also have unintended consequences where athletes try to stay small and light for a longer period of time.
OMG finally, I've been waiting forever for Kins to make new! DON'T skip a minute, a bit dense but this is such a rare find on youtube to get this much depth on this topic
This was a good video but I really didnt like the final apart about russian figure skating being all a show with costumes and crazy makeup like it was a bad thing. The problems u talked about during the video are true, the abuse and spectacular of this abuse on mostly young children is true and a disgusting thing happening in the sport; its also true that even tho it happens in other countries its usually more coveted while the russian situation is much more systemic and obvious and since then more shocking and problematic.
But the downgrading of the “show” part of this disciplin makes me realize you are missing a big point about this sport and the history of this sport. Figure skating is also art, its not just competition, its ice shows, gala, it is spectacular and its fundamentally camp and glamour and a little bit of cringe (lol) and extravaganza. Especially the european side of the sport has always been a lot about shows, about backflips and crazy stunts on the ice, and costumes, and ridiculous music. Notably nowadays this side of figure skating is less visible in competitions where there are rigid rules and regulations and “standart” programs and more visible in galas and special performances from which u took ALL the clips shown in that particular part of this video. So this is a really nice and and well informed video and it touches a lot of problematic topics that should be more talked about in the sport; but that part was, in my opinion, a little bit misleading and purposefully ignorant about a large cultural part of this sport.
this is so well done, excited for the next episode
I know too much about this I don't need to watch another video I know too much about this I don't need to watch another video I know too much about this I don't need to watch another video
I'm watching it
Seeing Putin sleeping in the stands was funny!
Personally, I am very disgusted with the entire coaching staff around Kamila Valijeva, she should have been the figure skater of the century. It is her great personal tragedy. Her career was ruined by doping young women who smiled contentedly. Nevertheless, if a girl, even with the support of her mother, finds a taste and love for sports, anything can happen. Above all, let the girl not give up, already in that documentary she shows her own courage, that she is not afraid to face fear.
Personally, I will say stop dirtying Kamila, I saw her live at one performance in St. Petersburg and I must say that she is really an ice queen for her age.
insane video ! thank you so much for explaining so well everything with very interisting critics. i don't skate nor follow competitive skating but always took an interest about what's going on behind the curtains so perfect video for me !
Against the backdrop of WADA's recent acquittal of 23 Chinese swimmers, for the same drug that was found in Valieva - such videos look simply funny
We are aware of the recent developments on that matter and plan on addressing it in Episode 3.
@@kinsproductions Of course you do. WADA has already been justified. "Justification" is just a form of elegance.
@@АлександрАлександров-ж8б Spoiler: we are not pro-WADA.
Everybody does doping, just for some countries it's totally fine, and for some not. Double standards and hypocrisy at it's finest
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Let me know if I got it right? She spoke the truth that she used dope, witch on one hand is immoral for the other contenstants, but on the other hand is extremly brave thing to admit considering her freadom and sadly, she took all the blame and not the system that pushed her to cheat.
Kamila Valieva will always be the most talented figure skater in history. She easily could have been a prima ballerina, gymnast, or modern dancer. That's how talented she is. Eteri needed her, not the other way around. Pity what they did to Kamila's career.
Yes, a great pity. A true ballerina on ice.
Kamila is very talented, but it's kind of silly to say anyone is the best 'in history' when there are quite a few other legends to contend for that crown. Especially in different eras, with different performance criteria, and some of which I personally find more pleasing vs. the focus on jumps. That being said, I agree that she could've excelled in any other artistic sport, and her coach destroyed her career. Screw Eteri.
Whoever was responsible for her doping, she used performance. enhancing. drugs.
She won’t. Her reputation and legacy will forever be tarnished by doping, making people wonder how much of what she did was of her real talent and how much was enhanced thanks to medication. Her artistry and elasticity, yes, that’s something that nothing can take away from her, but the rest…. Personally, I reconsidered a lot of things about her after learning about the doping… I am always wondering when exactly did it start when I rewatch her performances. One has to be foolish to believe that 2022 was the first time
@@ingetamm7951 You raise valid points. And her short program at age 15 may not be valid according to the rules, and understandably so in fairness to other skaters. Nevertheless, in my view, it is the work of a child prodigy and therefore a gift. All the more tragic that she was repeatedly abused. The program is and always will be sublime... the best I've ever seen. Just my 2 cents.
listen, I cannot say anything about the doping of athletes at Eteri sambo70, still i believe the rumor that Valieva was taking substances, but we shouldn't mix things up, for example Yulia was at a completely normal level when she won the team gold in 2014, she lost the single gold after that and her skating was not out of the norm she had normal technical qualities and was among the best but she did not even climb the podium, also Trusova, she never been a consistent athlete since the age of 12, she works hard tirelessly but when she compete she rarely succeeds her quads really because it's hard, not to mention that she changes academy several times, and today she still has the ability to return to the competitions, these girls undergo training worse than the army, I look at other skaters from other countries they train maximum 4 hours a day in the extreme, the Russian skaters practically never leave the rink and that is plays on skills, the one who devotes more time to his objectives earns better you don't need to dope.
doping is not only in Russia but we only point the finger at those we want to see, I am not Russian and I defend no doping, but we should learn to have the supervisor not to be bamboozled all the time by the media and mass opinion.
Brutal and sickening. Poor kids.
What was lost in all this is that Valieva was a minor and ostensibly a protected person before, during, and after Beijing. Furthermore, in my view, she was the recipient of repeated abuse. Adults failed her. The punishment was too severe in light of this. Something has to be done with the rule book. The protection of minors should be the highest priority...
So interesting!!! Waiting for episode 2
I truly believe Eteri is a sociopath. She looks as if she's getting pleasure out of their pain.
As long as they perform at the desired level, she gets to live a comfortable life. That's how things in countries with a Dear Leader go.
2022的冬奧運會，是一個世界上最骯髒的比賽，它渗雜了很多陰謀以及政治因素，可憐的15歲女孩卡米拉，承受了一切，值得嗎？没有了卡米拉的花樣滑冰，這個美麗的藝術體育，在這個世界上，再也没有了觀賞的價值。🌹💪🇹🇼😭
THEY HAVE WORKED SO HARD- youre making them look like they were born- chosen- doped and then rich
Soundtrack from Pathologic feels so good here ❤
You should make a video about figure skater Miroslava Lebedeva and how she’s abused by her family and couches
came from reddit
as an ex-academy player who played in England watching your weight constantly and getting injured that ends your career are not a farm concept from me. I have seen these hundreds of times many boys just loose their careers before even having one.
Kudos for this great documentary! You hit all the main points!
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I will always love Eteri's girls and all other russian female figure skaters. They are truly great and interesting!
Interesting take away from this video
may I declare my respect, dear stranger.
They can do the jumps, very well, but they are so robotic. They’re interpretation of music is very poor.
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What an interesting video this is. I am a Kamila Valieva fan and since 2022 I have felt only sympathy for Kamila from everything I see around her that either ruins or enhances her life. I want her to do better in Russia and to become bigger than ever after what she had to suffer in February of that year. I only feel that being patriotic and being seen with Putin will hinder her hopes for the future outside Russia. I think in the beginning that she had next to no idea about what doping was and is and her alleged 2nd mother, Eteri Tutberidze took advantage of Kamila and there is a culture of keeping your mouth shut about anything and Kamila out of loyalty would never open her mouth about "mum" and I wish she could find the freedom to speak more about things because underneath Kamila is a decent girl and I'd like to see Eteri Tutberidze taking the wrap instead of Kamila Valieva. Russian sports and most parts of that society has an undercurrent of corruption that goes back to one man and that's Putin. The puppet master, crook and the man Kamila should avoid, along with his gangster government. Kamila Valieva became an easy target for CAS and there American masters. The 4 years was way too much of a punishment , that should have been going to Tutberidze instead for what she done to a teenager. Corrupt Russian society ruined Kamila and destroyed her and set her up as an easy target for the USA. After Ukraine being Russian is being a target. Utterly unfair and what you are should not work against you. Also I seen some Chinese swimmers got caught doping and they never got a harsh punishment like Kamila. More injustice inflicted on a beautiful teenage girl
American here. Why do you think the USA personally targeted Kamila? The ultimate governing body of the Olympics is international and the head honcho isn't American. And we didn't even have any skaters we felt were going to make the podium, sooooo it's not like we swooped in to steal a medal from Russia. I think it's entirely unfair what happened to Kamila, and the adults in her life failed her. She is very talented and should be allowed to compete - 4 years ban is insane. Any ban should've gone to her coaches. Most sane people (from any country) don't blame a child for taking a prescribed banned 'medicine' from a bad doctor. Many, many people in the US were angry at her coaches, not a 16 year old girl! Especially with how cold they were to her and forcing her to face the press alone, or being hard on her after she fell. Cruel people. So no one country wanted to see her fail and targeted her. But extra criticism comes in because (obviously): Russia's politics and invasion are at the forefront of the world right now and they are fair game for criticism. You yourself leveled criticism at Putin and the government, and that's where MOST of it lies. However, there's lots of Russian social media and propaganda that paints the entire country as a victim, suffering under US-fueled Russophobia, as if any backlash isn't a result of an ongoing, uncalled for invasion into Ukraine. I think most Russians don't want war, and are probably too scared to speak up against their own government, so I don't blame them entirely for being reticent about speaking out. But people will still criticize corruption and unpopular invasions, so... yeah.
@laurend9829 Do your research and learn how sanctions work or how it looks when you ruin the other sides abilities to take part in sports. It is all to do with soft power and taking part in those sports. Propaganda they claim is one of Putin's weapons but I don't know if I see it the same as the American administration. I think they're all in there own way just as bad as one and other. You just have to look at the choices they have had for President. Trump and Biden aren't squeaky clean and I hope Harris will be better
Вы написали всё верно, в самую точку попали. Всё так и есть. С Камилой поступили очень подло. Очень много спортсменов принимают допинг и их прощают. Недавно теннисист Синер был пойман на допинге и через неделю его простили и допустили к турниру, китайская команда в полном составе была поймана и никого не наказали, а Камиле было всего 15 лет и микродоза препарата, который никак не помогает в фигурном катании. Это очень подло к самому талантливому фигуристу, вундеркинду.
"Girl on a ball" was art, the best ever. But screw figure skating anymore.
The pathologic ost hit me hard
YES like holy hell never I would have expected to hear Stamatin's pub music in this, very fitting too (the name of this channel is also a reference). Beautiful documentary btw.
Very good video, very traumatic. I still can't get over Beijing.
Valieva was sadly used as a scapegoat.... the others who gave her the substances are still coaching...so shameful 😢
Came from Reddit too ! Wow ! That was a great 1st EP ! How many will there be ?! It's riveting and so well done. Congrats to its author(s)
Another 🤡 from Reddit
Great show thank you. From Sydney Australia 🎉
But Alexandra is 20 now and trains with plushenko and is still landing quads.
Just a single jump on camera during training. Everyone can do this)
On January 29, 2024, Kamila was disqualified from the team competition at the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, the gold was finally given to the United States, silver for Japan and the bronze medal for the Russian Olympic Committee, and the International Skating Union voted in favor to raise the age to 17 for senior skaters on June 7, 2022 for future competitions. By the time, the 4-year suspension ends on December 25, 2025, her chances of competing at the 2026 Milan - Cortina Winter Olympics will be very slim.
Image How Hard Their Coaches Pushed These Girls
15:24 what is that, Sailor Moon? While I do think a cosplay ice dance routine is iconic and delightful, I can agree seeing it on an elite or olympic level feels like a cheap gimmick to say the least
If you know about doping, you have to report it. Shabotova never did. Very interesting why
Personally, I believe Valieva when she said she didn't KNOWINGLY take performance enhancing drugs. But still, drugs were found in her system. She was the victim of some coach, doctor, therapist who managed to get this drug into her body. Kamila has been punished over and over for the gross illegal actions of someone in her circle.
It is obvious that these Russian girls have been doped. They look extremly over energized as they spin and jump around the ice. I have never seen anything quite like this. Unfair to other skaters who play by the rules.
of course it makes total sense, if you have never seen sometning, it is something that could have not been!
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Same as Simone Biles, but she's not russian or chinese.
@@fbehemoth9113 Not doped up either, so what's your point?
Fantastic video on a terrible topic. The fact a magical athlete like Valieva is the one being punished and not the coach and the whole system behind it is just unbelievable.
Well done to you for making this very interesting video and do better to the world for doing what you're doing every day!
А как можно наказать систему? Вы, думаю, видите что происходит сейчас в Украине
А как можно наказать систему? Вы, думаю, видите что происходит сейчас в Украине
Left a like in the first second after hearing the good pathologic ost
When is episode 2 comming out?
Olympics was an absolute sh*t show and ruined the sport for me yet again. Especially because Kamila is such a 1 in a Mio. skater, even without her jumps she has such a presence and artistry on the ice. I hope this is not the end of her career, but I would have loved for Eteri to finally be stopped. And I have to admit that I liked watching competitions without Russia, not because if the absence if their atheltes, but you knew there would be no drama (besides falls). The video was very good and I'd love for you to make one about scoring, since it is a hot topic for many years now.
You are russophobe because
You deserve more subs!
Sorry for the long comment...I have maintained and still maintain that Valieva was not doped. The circumstances of the testing are very shady. Also, TMZ is not a doping agent. No literature supports a PED effect. The heart primarily uses fat for energy. TMZ throttles that pathway in order to ramp up the use of glucose which is faster, but the person does not get a net increase in energy production. Also, at high exercise intensities, the heart shifts and instead of relying on glucose like the brain and skeletal muscle, it relies on lactate. You get nothing from trying to shunt more activity through the glucose pathway. There is simply no justification for TMZ being a PED. Also, before it was banned they looked at blood samples from a place where many world class athletes were training in Europe. TMZ was present in a ratio of 24 out of 10,000 - this was when it was legal. It's very cheap and out of your system quickly. If it worked, you would have seen it in far, far, far more samples than 24 out of 10,000. I think Valieva is innocent. Her tests at the Olympics were clean, to my knowledge, and TMZ had no effect on her (if we are to believe it was ever in her system), yet she was vilified by true scumbags like Johnny Weir, and she was broken at the Olympics. Treating a child like that is disgusting.
For those that don't like figure skating and gymnastics for the young ages and small bodies - these are two sports where it pays to be young and small. Most sports are heavily biased against the young and small. A person who is at the top of the world by age 14 should not be denied that opportunity. Becoming an Olympian or even a World or Olympic Champ will set that person up for life. These opportunities for children should never be taken away. That is cruel and inhumane. Raising the age limit will only guarantee that parents and coaches use starvation, puberty blockers etc, to keep a child small for longer, and this practice will increase in prevalence as you increase the competition age. You must always keep in mind the incentives you create, not just the desires you have. Every time these stories emerge it's the same crowd with the same mantra, 'no children, raise the age' etc, and every single time it's the adults that let the children down. Where is the punishment for the adults? Why are the kids going to be punished for the sins of adults? It makes no sense.
People need to realize that virtually every athlete at that level is looking for every possible advantage. There might be some sports where doping is rare, but most dope and the US is full of doping. But in the US we have a decentralized system with many designer drugs, specifically made to evade current testing protocols. In other nations, it is more centralized but the practice is still the same. Not sure what the tally is after the winter Olympics, but since the start of drug testing, the USSR and Russia combined have only one more Olympic medal taken away due to doping, than the US. When people throw stones at Russia, they need to realize they are living in a glass house. In 2008 they caught a major middle man transporting PEDs to sprinters. They asked him, "Of the sprinters in the final at the Olympics..." and he interrupted them and said, "They're all doped". That is the reality.
Lastly, before the Olympics I questioned the wisdom of Eteri in putting Valieva in the team competition. I believe she could have put Trusova in the short program and Anna in the long program. That would have been a path to get each girl a gold medal (assuming I'm right about how she could allocate the skaters). She made bad decisions, IMO. Not only did it cost Valieva, it cost the entire Russian team a gold medal. I think Valieva is now an adult or close to it - she has probably been irreparably harmed / traumatized and it's a guarantee that it was adults that are responsible. Doping is not the biggest issue here - it's the treatment of children. We must do better in how children are treated.
Raising the age is necessary though. Aside from the obvious child abuse (that unfortunately will exist in any sport regardless of age limit) it would definitely help in making this sport more artistic again. Figure skating itself has become a sport where only quads and triples are appreciated. It is near impossible for 18+ girls to do multiples of quads in one go. Therefore they will put more effort into the artistry of it instead of just jumping around. Yuna kim and Carolina kostner are great examples of strong and artistic figure skaters who were 20 and 20+ respectively during the Olympics.
@@zarleeno_o7821 Raising the age is a terrible idea. You are, like so many others, justifying punishing children because of the sins of adults. And you admit that abuse will be there regardless of age - that is a very clear indicator that you don't go after age - you go after abuse.
The sport is very artistic as it is. It's just added more athleticism.
If you want to tilt things to artistry then you change the scoring.
What is cruel is starving, physically damaging and emotional scarring little girls and teenage girls! No medal is worth the pain and suffering these girls are put through at the hands of adults. They live life long pain and mental anguish for what? How you can be for that is disgusting.
“It pays to be young and small” No, it’s malnourished and underweight children with underdeveloped bodies giving the illusion of speed and height.
INSTEAD of strength, actual speed and skill with proper technique as a fully grown, nourished adult athlete.
With the right nourishment, necessary age restrictions and technique, women could easily achieve the same things. But, they aren’t getting the opportunity to due to this evil recycling of little girls.
Your priorities are all wrong and your mindset is disgusting.
@@psycherevivedby Your reading comprehension is pretty bad. So is your analysis.
This sport is about physics and physics is about math - I don't care how old the athlete is, they will all be starving themselves to get as small as possible. The difference will be that older athletes will do it themselves while the younger ones will have a parent or coach bearing down on them constantly to impose the discipline. The result will be the same with regard to starvation, and for older skaters it might be worse. Weight loss drugs and other substances will be rampant and increase in use as you increase the age requirement.
I'm not for abuse - if you could actually read and not just emote, you would see that. You're in that group that thinks age limits will magically fix things, and it won't do that at all.
There is no "illusion" of speed and height. There's a reason the older skaters are not doing the same maneuvers. Again, it's about physics.
The older skaters are not and will not ever do the same things that Valieva was doing at 15. Physics. Again, physics. You have a profound lack of awareness here. Tuktamisheva(sp?) is a great example. She is impeccable in her technique and has taken care of herself better than anyone - and where does she rank next to the younger girls? Several spots below. That's just the way it is. Things are not unfair for her, either. She was at that age once and she's been a champion before, but those days are behind her, even though she is incredibly talented and still one of the best.
Your inability to see cause and effect is what's disgusting. People like you with these misguided ideas about age limits will guarantee that more girls endure more hardship because they, their parents, and their coaches will go to even greater lengths to keep them small and light for longer periods so they are still small once they progress to whatever arbitrary, ridiculous age you impose on them. Even worse, this will be done when these girls are still classified as juniors and hardly any attention is paid to them, so they will suffer in anonymity and no attention will be paid to what's going on. Only the ones that can emerge from that, into the senior ranks, still super tiny, will still complete, and rest assured the trail of broken bodies prior to senior competition eligibility will get longer.
You are yet another person that believes you can apply arbitrary sets of rules and magically the abuse will disappear. The abuse will remain if you don't address the abuse. You have to run the coaches out of the sport when they harm athletes. But your misguided efforts will only serve to increase suffering, increase abuse, and punish some of the world's best athletes because you don't think they're old enough.
Your position here is absurd. It discriminates against younger athletes and sets the conditions for even more abuse than what you are complaining about currently.
@@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628There is a reason age limits exit in most areas of human endeavour. Even for something as physically harmless as the Eurovision song contest, you have to be at least 16 to perform. Because it's recognised that some pressure situations are not suitable nor healthy for children.
If athletes in a sport are consistently at the top of their game at 14/15 before becoming 'expired' by 18...that means the nature and culture of the sport should be evaluated, not that we should simply adapt to treat the idea that some elite sports are for children as the norm. Children are not mentally equipped to deal with the pressures of performing on the global stage, you don't need to look behind the trauma of the Eteri girls at the 2022 Olympics to see that.
Artistic gymnastics in the US had a similar culture for a long time. And you're probably aware of the abuse that was happening behind the scenes there. In this example, you can see how changes in the culture have led to greater longevity. Heck, Simone Biles is still competitive at 27! In the era of Marta Karoliy she would have been considered over the hill 7 years ago.
It's not just that some sports need you to be young and small. It's that the culture within some sports create an environment where adults push children beyond their limit and use any means necessary to win.
PATHOLOGIC MUSIC IN THE BEGINNING!! Figure skating and pathologic r my two fave things this made me so happy
That game is so iconic
What’s the song called??
I'm not sure Meldonium (sp?) works. Russian gymnast, Aliya Mustafina, said they gave it to her before it was banned and she said it did nothing for her.
It increases stamina. It doesn't make you better. It enables you to train longer and harder. Which makes you better.
@@roddo1955 All of this is a lie - the drug does not increase stamina. There is zero evidence of this and there isn't even a mechanism for it. It throttles the dominant resting substrate pathway and the math doesn't work, and at high intensities the dominant substrate is lactate, and you aren't going to get more ATP from throttling fat metabolism and increasing glucose metabolism. The heart doesn't work that way. If the heart was engineered to use glucose in high amounts you'd drain too much from the blood and deny it for the brain, which is dependent on it.
And as mentioned, when the drug was legal it was found in very few samples. If it worked, it would have been rampant.
@@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628 Your body doesn't feel pain in the same way and so can recover much faster.
The whole system is set up against the best interests of the child athlete - and yes, I consider them children, esp Eteri’s students. I thought it was telling and very sad indeed when Zagitova pretty much said all the injuries she suffered would be worth it because it would really help her parents, (presumably if she won Olympic gold). Much like child Hollywood stars - Macauley Kulkin comes to mind - when the parents depend on the child as the major wage earner, it creates an imbalanced situation in terms of the dynamics of the parent-child relationship. No child should have to bear the brunt of having to be responsible for his/her family’s finances.
24:38 can we take second for this 💀
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i unlocked my phone just to comment this and found you already beat me to it 😂 i gagged at this line
What a terrific video, thank you
What is the release schedule for the rest of the series?
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Yet, I am still getting recommendations for this video? What’s going on?
I’m waiting for that second episode !!!!
I have to offer my opinion on this.
1. Russia is not the only one guilty of exploiting athletes. Check the American gymnastics team molesting.
2. Russia is not the only one using dangerous substances. Check body-building and how people are actually dying.
3. America does it way better using child stars to rake in money. Check Ezra Miller.
4. I am sorry, but the Olympics have become more and more political. Check those TH-camr's rants about how Simone Biles betrayed American values when she quit part of the games.
This doesn't mean Russia is not guilty. This means
1. There are some systematic problems worldwide with professional sports.
2. Anyone is capable of doing something evil. Accusing a specific group while ignoring others will only make things worse. If there is a loophole, people are going to exploit it.
Russia's athletics are state-run. US Gymnastics, Figure skating and other sports are private organizations that receive no government funding. It is an apples and oranges comparison. Yes there was abuse in gymnastics. The perpetrator was prosecuted and is in prison basically for life. The organization paid out hundred of millions of dollars to victim and have pledged reform. Where is the same accountability and commitment for what Russia has done?
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Yeah, he's in jail for the rest of his life. Your point?
@@skatefan9495Back under your bridge. Little troll.
@@GrahamCStrouse The truth hurts.
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excited for ep 2!
Valieva is the best figure skater in the history of figure skating. And she has been since she was 11.
А здесь речь не о лучших. А о допинге.
oh damn this is from 3 months ago
Anastasia was so real for that 😂
And none of this is even necessary! Look at Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, who is also Russian but trained in a more responsible way under Alexei Mishin. At the last Olympics she was 25 and had Ultra C elements, as well as being a fantastic dancer with a beautiful, expressive style. No doping with her, and she's clearly not a starving child. The reason she wasn't picked for the Olympics seems to have been politics. She would have been a much better representative, but now she's 27 and seems to be about to retire... I may not agree with her politically, but The Empress deserved better.
she used meldonium before it was banned in 2015. She won everything taking meldonium. Does that mean she was doped?)
@@ВалентинИгоревич-з5й 2021 Worlds Silver - Russia should have sent her to 2022 Olympics.
@@mademsoisellerhapsody 2021 - covid season. Russian skaters had an advantage among other participants because they competed inside Russia. Why Russia should have sent her to 2022 Olympics? She failed in Russian Championship and missed her chance.
And for what.. a medal? Do they think people wake up every day and the pause a bit to admire who won the gold medal. No.. People are too deep in their troubled daily lives to care who won the gold medal.. I for one don't care if Russia is the best in figure skating or Antarctic penguins.
I'm interested to see more details about the Chinese swimmers when you publish that. The anti-doping agencies all suck, in my opinion. The clowns at USADA were an embarrassment during this saga. They whined and cried endlessly. USADA is the same group that busted a weightlifter for doping at a qualifier and still let the lifter go to the championship meet, for which doping was used to qualify, but then cried about Valieva for exceedingly small amounts of TMZ, weeks before the Olympics, with clean tests at the Olympics. USADA is a joke of an organization.
I think your video making and story telling is supurb. I hope to see more of your content.