Brahmi Script : Origin and Early History | Space #17
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- The early history of the Brahmi script is an interesting one. There're many theories about how the Brahmi script originated. In this video, I talk about the different theories which scholars have put forward on the origin of the Brahmi script.
Reference:-
1. Indian Epigraphy: A Guide to the Study of Inscriptions in Sanskrit, Prakrit, and the other Indo-Aryan Languages by Richard Salomon
2. Indian Palaeography by Ahmad Hasan Dani
3. Kharosthi and Brahmi by Hartmut Scharfe
4. The History and Development of Mauryan Brahmi Script by Chandrika Singh Upasak
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Keeladi script on pottery was in Tamil brahmi script and was dated scientifically by carbon dating as 580 BCE and the salient finding was that most of the letters on the pottery resembled IVC script. This is being studied further. There should not be any delay in this study.
One suggestion Jay, please translate your videos in Indian languages specially in Hindi. Someone like my mother and grandmother can listen to you whole day, but language is a very big barrier. In Jain tradition, we do Goshtis of many of these texts. Your work can easily become part of these goshtis.
Thanks for this suggestion. It will take sometime for me to start a Hindi channel. But I am certainly have a plan for this.
@@HistoricallySpeakingPodcast Hindi channel can easily grow.
@@HistoricallySpeakingPodcast tamil too
@@anandvr2273 majority of tamils can speak english i guess .
@@sohamshinde7978 FYI majority of tamilians speak Tamil not English
Interesting.. is there any reference to Indus and Sumerian..
And this Brahmi could be seen as agamei agam+mei
Now having few insights into Indus and Sumerian..I thought of looking into Chinese and Japanese to have additional insights.. let me see..
In Tamil Lord Murugan and Agasthya are associated..the archetypes of both Murugan & Agasthya are just about the same, the inner mind.. say Muru+ga >> muru+agaa...agaa ...is agam inner mind like Anuman..the muruga could be seen as Child ego, the inventor.. further note Tholkappiam meipattiyal and pirappiyal, and Valluvar first poem agara..aga..ra.. these show how languages not only of human but of any being have evolved..
The above thoughts are initial thoughts.. let us see..
Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video.
Could you throw light on Tamil Brahmi Script and recent excavations at Keeladi?
I haven't found any academic paper on Keeladi.
About Tamil Brahmi Script. The dates that we have are from 600 BC - 300 BC. Although the dates are debatable but what is interesting is that it is fragmentary inscription and some argue that it wasn't used to write Tamil characters.
@@HistoricallySpeakingPodcast but near palani , found a jar 🏺 with tamil brahmi and paddy, the carbon dating result is 490 bc, this shows tamil bramhi is older than ashokan bramhi, as well as keezladi also show that date back to 6th century,
Selucas also meant that mouriyan are not to know about read and Wright, that's show that during that period ashokan empire did not had any wrighting system, later the conversation to Buddhism they wanted to preach Buddhism so they accept others script
This script is named *Tamili,* not brahmi!
dummel Brahmi
@Agnostic7773 north Indian pindari
What about the work of Parpola and Iravatham Mahadevan on the Brahmi script?
Tell us about devanagri scripts.
Can you make a video on how we have dated rigveda ? What are the methods to date a text?
Will try.
It is almost impossible or very tough to exactly date vedas
Because it has some thing related to later ice age something 12000 ago and it has also mention of rathas and many things in brahman granthas we get to know about saraswati river
The latest findings in Keezhadi show brahmi characters dating back 600 BCE
Amazing! thank you
An informative video. Many thanks for this.
Indian Historians: we don't know, so it must not exist. 🤣
Very Great Lecture Sir
When devnagri developed from brahmi script then why vedas are not in brahmi, that means vedas written much later, or can say it were written after evolving devnagri from brahmi !
Vedas were orally Passed on by Tradition, not written down
@@mohanadasa2268😅 comedy there's no evidence about Hinduism brahmanism nor ashoka ever wrote anything about Hinduism in the inscriptions Hinduism originated only 400 - 500 years back. It's a game narrative to show its crore of years older with no authentic evidence, even in Jainism don't write anywhere about Brahmans. Story is made that it's been passed on orally so to prove its older than everything else because they don't have any evidence to prove it.
Out siders are outsiders....any which WAY..
@@bindisumi1650 there are no indigenous people anywhere in the world. Every race has migrated from somewhere at a point of time in history. Who knows that even you might be a descendant of an outsider. so cut this crap and stfu
Ever heard about panini. He was a Sanskrit grammarian and He dates back to 3rd century B.C. Besides even Buddha mentioned about Vedas. He was a strong critic of Vedas. So yes Vedic era predates Buddhism
Thank u for the information
Good content Jay as always.
Now let us presuppose clusters of population...
Egypt
Sumerian
Anatolian
Persian
Elam
Asia minor
Indus
Gangetic
Dolavira Maharashtrian Magan
Dilmun Kerala
Kanyakumari
Madurai
Kaveri Poompatinam
Kanchipuram
Srilanka
Australia
Ethiopia
So on all coexisting some 2000 BC...were speaking and having arts on rocks, pots, woods.. etc...
Now
Tamilnadu.. we have an education system teaching children how to read.. that has one element Amma, mother abstracted as A,a...another read pictures only and tell stories.. the later is akin to Indus, former is Sumerian..
Where are those Chinese people.. I suspect they knew writing development in their own country, South, Northern parts of ancient India and elsewhere.. they should have all the hidden knowledge of writing evolution world over..
Chinese had trade relations with Tamil or Dravidian speakers of Southern parts...
So in essence we have to slowly build up and explain iteratively..
Sumerian spoke and wrote Tamil..
ra of Sumerian is both aram, aRam, arai... respectively sawing tool, virtues, half.. even parasu (ram) as axe could be seen in Sumerian..
Indus the Rosetta stone is Dholavira wall sign.. that wall sign reflects the city name as passed down and the fort archeological evidences... That is in Tamil or could be read even in Hindi or any Dravidian languages...dolak as pallak or kaavadi refers to carrying goods, Veera is soldiers.. our sangam poems few tell us how business people got kings support to protect their goods...
Chinese were on Indian East coast both travellers and business people..
Sumerian used a river double. curved line as scripts or pictogram to represent river with phonetic value of a, A.. in Tamil.. same letter is used to indicate many other words..
The point we could welcome ideas and proposals how these things would match or not...
No language in the world sprang up like lightening but evolved slowly dependencies on the geographical situation in which these human beings lived and their every day needs for existence and living .it is a wonder how the people of Indus valley civilization conveyed their feelings and needs of life between themselves and also with people of contemporary civilizations like Egyptian, mesopotamian etc withe whom these earliest people of a civilized people had trading relations .and these earliest known civilization in india used modern techniques of house building planned drainage systems and drinking water .some are it seems ,to tag this Indian origin civilization and language to Greek or some other foreign civilizations .it is TRUE there can be some type of changes when coming in to contact with others . This is what I feel .
I myself researched upon this and found aramaic is the most plausible candidate for this and the letters dha,ka are of greek origin and ba,da are from proto sinatic script and va from phonecian script . 30:35 there are many references that tell that megasthanes generalised his observation in magadha for whole india so this arguement is not that plausible .
I like your content , keep it up 👍
Please make videos in Hindi to Target large no. of audience by your 2nd channel
I have planned to start a separate channel in Hindi. But it will take some time.
It is not Scientific research Report . Blending Religious Ideas . He did not Like to Up-to-date his Knowledge , with Keeladi Archeological survey Report .
BRAHMI TAMIL PALLAVA SCRIPT WAS USED IN MALAYA BEFORE THEY BECOMES MUSALMAN AND FOLLOW ARABIC WRITING????? ROMANIZE IS A COPY OF BRAHMI SANSKRIT?????
Excellent naration. Arthashastra could not be written without sophisticated script. Megasthenes writings are not original mostly 2nd hand cannot be trusted. Once he visted Chanakya who was busy writing.
Why the people like you refuses to see the findings recently found in the south ies Tamilnadu. The findings at Keelady Madurai shows that the script was evolved even before 600 BCE. You the people want to impose your religious belief on others.
Explain please
Blessings
This is बुधिस्ट dhamm lipi not brhami lipi, और यह प्राकृत पाली भाषा है। सम्राट अशोक ने अपने अभिलेख में "इयं धम्म लिपि" लिखवाया है , ब्राह्मणो ने फालतू का इसे ब्राह्मी कहना शुरू कर दिया। भारत बौद्धमय था और हमेशा रहेगा। नमो बुधाय जय भीम। कण कण में बुध है खोदो जहा बुध है।
अशोक के अभिलेख खरोष्ठी और ब्राह्मी दोनों लिपियों में लिखे गए हैं और दोनों लिपियों को उन्होंने धम्म लिपि कहा है जबकि दोनों लिपियां एक दूसरे से पूर्णतः भिन्न हैं।
अब तुम ही बताओ दो भिन्न प्रकार की लिपियों का एक ही नाम कैसे हो सकता है?
ब्राह्मी नाम ललितविस्तर(श्री लंका का बुद्धिस्ट ग्रंथ है) और चाइनीज बुद्धिस्ट ग्रंथों में आता हैं क्या वे भी ब्राह्मणों ने लिखे है?
यार थोडा तो सोचा करो।
Foreigners like Megasthenes are just talking non sense, the win of Greeks is just found in their scriptures, and our scriptures are either extincted or doesn't mention at all, only the Vedas are given most priorities to be saved at any cost, that's why it's still available to these days, even the verbal pronunciation were given so much important, thanks to guru shishya parampara, it's still alive as it was. I believe it was actually Lord Brahma who shared the script because I'm a Bharatiya, If I keep believing in foreigners than I'm convinced to believe that I have evolved from monkeys 😂 even though scientists have neglected this theory as a creature of even 1% different than us can surpass us by way far in technology and development.
Historically speaking unhistorical😂
TAMILL ONLY...
ललित विस्तर में 64 लिपि का नाम लिखा है
पहली लिपि 'बम्ही ' है न कि ब्रह्मी
जैसा कि बोला जा रहा है
यह धम्म लिपि है जैसा कि अशोक शिलालेखों में लिखा है
aa gya ambedkarwadi abe gadhe pali me dhammalipi ka arth hota dhamm k sandesh na ki script, dhammalipi ka kisi buddhist granth me mention nhi h, dusri chiz vo brahmi hi h, lalitavistar sutra Sanskrit me likha gya h, ashok k brahmi aur kharoshti dono k shilalekho me dhammalipi mention h ye saf saf show krta h ye koi script nhi blki iska arth dhamm k sandesh h
Thean Original version who cannot be moved
Do not panic again
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Spell IT
How you wish
Nonsense. No proof for Sanskrit in 3rd AD . No Brahma in creating any language. ( Just) your religious beliefs not history
Firstly, whatever was said in the Podcast is affiliated with Academia alone - If you desire to refute that, you might need to debate and provide evidences against some Great Researchers and Researchers both from the Home and Abroad
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Cunningham et al are shamelessly Eurocentric, and undermines the continuity of Indian civilization. Migrations caused evolution of languages and writing systems. Gramatology and linguistics supports an evolution from harrapan script to brahmi. Brahmi is indigenous. There are enough symbols to put together a complete syllabic script, although undeciphered, the characters show clear indigenous evolution.
How long do we gotta wait for the ivc script😭
Humble request to you pls make a video on kamarupa and prior northeastern kingdoms . Also on Queen Didda of Kashmir.🙏
Yes, will cover these topics on the main channel.
@@HistoricallySpeakingPodcast Sir main channel name ?
One of your most clear and concise spaces👍👍