Doctor Who Mocked After She-Hulk Level Pandering
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- Doctor Who has been slammed by fans all over the internet, after the Doctor Who The Star Beast episode dropped to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the series, this episode was also in collaboration with Disney. However fans are angry as David Tennant returned for this Doctor Who episode but was treated horribly and made fun of just for being a man in the episode. Fans are saying this is just propoganda to push a female Doctor Who and make her look better, however I am more angry with the simple fact that it's just horrible writing and storytelling and destroyed one of the greatest shows to have ever existed.
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Most people don’t like bashed over the head with “the message”, they treat the audience like imbeciles,
The Message.
@@slochran2in Drinker’s voice 😂
@@suzybearheart530 *THE MESSAAAAAGEEE!*
or be treated like the audience is the problem and we should all be ashamed for existing
The only "Message" I get out of the newest Disney productions is that everyone who doesn't like their pandering is the r-word the s-word(don't know if TH-cam blocks this words but that's another problem) and whatever word comes to their mind. They only think in absolutes and like a wiseman once said “Only a Sith deals in absolutes” think about this message XD
This trend of attacking fans when your show fails is getting old
GETTING old? It was old the second time they ever did it
Funny thing is we have had this literally since 1966. People were like "Troughton takes over for Hartnell? NoT My dOcToR!!!!11!1!"
It's butthurt fans not liking anything more.
This trend of fans feeling attacked cause they’re too sensitive for todays media consumption is getting old.
@@404TVfr mhm, tbh ALL tv should just be cancelled, in the long run people just don't enjoy it anymore and will bitch about what ever is released.... in 10 years EVERYTHING on tv is going to be FLOODED with woke and all these people complaining will look back and realize this episode was pretty good and they'll wish they could come back to this time.
@@ImJamieX OR perhaps, people can buck up and accept the change here and now like grown adults. Not petulant, self-entitled manchildren.
they really brought back David Tennant for this. It's such a shame. Donna was already a strong female character and she stood up to the Doctor a lot of times, often becoming annoying, but still lovable, and now they just come off as a brat
Yeah it’s definitely an odd choice from a narrative stand point
Next: They'll retcon Amy's death, she left Rory, lead a life with a girlfriend and is doing whatever.
Screw these morons... let them lose so much money to the point where they can't make ANYTHING always good to see the Evil Empire fall🖕 😂
@@bladerunner3314faked her death and ran off with River to GRRL POWER all over the timestream
@@somejerk5662 mother and daughter incest... .....
Yet another franchise utterly destroyed by this maniacal obsession with wokeness and attacking everyone.
Lol, I haven’t heard more blatant lies
Have you ever actually watched the show before? This is the show that had intelligent women holding their own in the 1970s, when women were just supposed to scream and get rescued :D
@@DoggievilleMayor Perhaps that fact could make you consider that fans who have loved DW for decades have no problem with that, even (as the video above states,) enjoy intelligent and well developed characters, and that you may be setting up a disingenuous strawman argument.
@lucgermain9310 yeah, but I have no clue what part of the special shown last week has destroyed the series for some people. I can understand racists, homophobes and misogynists not liking it, but dressing that up as reasonable critique seems absurd to me. What specifically is the problem? Why is the series destroyed? Go on, open that closet real wide and let your hatred out - it might be quite liberating 😄
It sickens me how IP’s and characters are treated for the sake of agenda. As long as people keep fighting back, there will always be hope.
Indeed. It is up to the discerning audience to put these br41nwashing efforts by spiteful "auteurs" out of everyone's misery.
For good , this time .
No, don’t fight back - just walk away from the dumpster fire. The wokes want you to react so they can react to you. Find your entertainment in different ways.
Even worse, they undermined the best Doctor they ever had and destroyed of the best story arcs [the Doctor-Donna arc] in order to do so [just as the Timeless Child did, or Star Trek Discovery or Rise of Skywalker].
Don't fight back. Just ignore it. Their biggest fear is that their message can't get controversial clicks or hate tweets to push ad revenue for them.
@@fiftysteps Ignoring them is what I mean by “fight back”. You’re right because hate watching and hate clicking is still engagement. Only if people completely stop interacting with this content altogether will their revenue really suffer
I have never, ever felt so let down by a TV show like this before. I was a MASSIVE FAN of David Tennant's original run as the Doctor and was so looking forward to David Tennant's return to the role after the absolute failure of the last several years, it got so bad that I just gave up on Doctor Who and this is what we get??? Like WTF were they thinking?? I never in my wildest dreams would have believed that Star Beast could be this bad. I'm so sick and tired of "The Message" infecting and destroying franchisees that have been around for decades. Star Beast is beyond depressing, can I sue for emotional distress??
New Series had wokery in it from the beginning, it was substantially more concealed than it is now, though. RTD put woke (for the time) messaging in, but was subtle about it.
same bro, same
I don't know what "The Message" even is anymore.
Only that whatever they preach, the excutives, writers, and board members/stakeholders don't believe in it themselves.
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Agree! Now everything is a subtle as a brick to the face.
@@1d10tcannotmakeusernameHaving strong women like Donna or trans people like Rose wasn’t too big a deal when they just lived their lives on the small screen. There was even a trans horse in an episode🤷♂️. However, RTD is beating us over the head both with the Children in Need special and The Star Beast episode. Worst part is the “woman” telling the Doctor he’ll never understand isn’t even a real woman. One thing Rose will never understand is what it’s like for a woman to have a period, a real period, not just cramps brought on by those hormones they pump into their bodies.
The 10th Doctor and Donna’s parting was heartbreaking. So to hear her speaking to him like that, like he’s an idiot…like he didn’t save her numerous times. It’s just….crap. Pure crap.
so clearly your forgetting she gave away 140 MILLION POUNDS.... shouldn't you understand the value of money? your a woman.. I'd have punched him in the face till he were blue if he erased my memory and I gave up being rich because of it.
Well done on admitting u haven't actually watched it
He probably has mate@@ashleyw6728
I feel like it makes sense for her to be angry about him taking her memories away, but for her to mock him over this??? It felt completely out of character and forced.
I just say after being a Doctor Who fan since about 1977, now when asked if I'm a fan I say "Doctor Who isn't for me anymore" - makes me sad, but it's fine - some people still like it - not me. I packed up all my Who paraphernalia and put it away after Jodies first season - probably should sell it or dump it.
them attacking the fans just proves this isnt about money...they want to destroy these IPs because they have western values
Exactly. There’s a huge agenda at work here.
They are being made by Western companies for a Western audience. Do try to keep up, your paranoia is showing.
"The Message.... The Message."
All together now....
"The Message".
What values? That would mean they actually wanna uphold something in high regards.
@alanbeaumont4848 who are influenced by an ideology that is non western and communisticaly totalitarian mixed with lgbtq feminist hatred towards men and families....TRUE WESTERN VALUES OF GOOD AND FAMILY....that is common sense...DO TRY TO PAY ATTENTION....YOUR IGNORANCE IS SHOWING...🤦♂️
I am a trans woman and I hated this episode, I am sick of this woke nonsense
Also you are absolutely correct, the moment they mentioned gender identity/pronouns I was thrown off but what frustrated me the most was the whole thing was more like a disney movie rather than Doctor Who, I was so disappointed especially as they used my favourite doctor for a left wing political episode
I have no issue with actual trans people but one issue I truly have is people who jump the bandwagon because it's "cool" when other people have actually went through real torment making these major decisions and faced a hard battle to be accepted. These other ones are feeding off of the battle that the people of the past fought hard for and are using it to take a short cut
I'm non binary and the "binary, binary, non binary" just... ugh. It feels so forced it's atrocious. I watch this for entertaining sci-fi stories, not to have woke bs forced down my throat.
@@DivineDefecthad ‘Rose’ (and don’t get me started on them using the only Rose’s name) been an actual Non Binary character I could maybe deal with it. Her being a trans-woman makes no continuity sense. But I am so glad to see and read that people like you and the original comment here are getting sick of it too. I’m all for inclusion and representation of all people’s. The outrage stems from the forcing of the message and not just letting it flow naturally and the more it’s forced the less open people will be.
@@nicfisher8266No need to include men calling themselves women. It's a ridiculous lie and children are getting confused like the one in Scotland who was abducted by a man in women's clothes. Children are also being told they can have the "wrong body" and they need drugs and surgery. It's all so sick it needs to stop.
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I find it notable that Kirk did not have to introduce Uhura to the bridge with, "Hey everyone, this is Lt. Uhura. Isn't this great!? Look how black she is." She was just THERE. The fact wasn't shoved in our faces, over and over.
Eric Cartman as Kathleen Kennedy said it best "Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay". This one statement explains a lot of the problems in shows that were rejected by fans.
My prediction. The viewership for the anniversary will steadily drop throughout the couple episodes, then as soon as Tennant is gone anyone who came back for nostalgia aka most of the viwers will dip. The next dr will most likely have 1 season since they've already filmed it but after that the whole thing will be cancelled as no one is watching or the BBC will double down and follow in the footsteps of Disney and keep shoveling out more whilst burning money. The woke fans will then wonder why their beloved show is dead while the rest of us will spend our time and money elsewhere
Disney has already purchased rights to stream and produce Dr. who. The franchise is dead, enjoy the blu rays of previous doctors, I’ve been rewatching Matt smith.
Yep and now with a 'person of color' as the Doctor they can call the fans 'racist' when the show will fail.
@fightindice6227 yo I like David tennant. But Matt Smith be the best too me.
They have already started production on Gatwa's second series and are in the planning stage for his third that's arrogant they think the public will love it
Let them spend money on what they want it will not bring more viewers - go woke go broke as some says.@@markjones-gu2fj
There's nothing really impressive in destroying a long term show that brought joy to everyone for the sake of message and also their miserable diatribe against men also suggests that transmen are bad too.
that's why whenever you see a trans character on screen, they're always trans women. they literally hate all men
Embarrassing to chastise Tennant about an alien's pronouns- 😢
It’s just absolutely pointless
@thejessegrant imagine if the doctor told Donna - oh you're a woman and know nothing!!?? 🤔 whoa
Here we go again! Doctor Who is fully in the panderverse now 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@thejessegrantexactly like the alien most likely has not been subjected to human social constructs where pronouns are an important part of society and getting called the wrong one (in the middle of saying he’s going to help bring the Meep home) sets a trans girl off to berate the Doctor when the Meep didn’t even have a reaction to getting called a ‘he’ BECAUSE IT DOESNT MATTER IN THE SITUATION
Besides, it's the TARDIS doing the translation, so this is completely ret*rded in more ways than one.
It's pretty obvious that the current writers and show runners have a huge problem with the Doctor being both a male and usually white. You can trace it all the way back to about mid-way through Matt Smith's run when Clara showed up. His companions were always clever and added interesting and creative solutions to the problems they faced, but Clara was the start of trying to make the doctor look more ignorant and feeble compared to a strong woman. This persisted all the way through Peter Capaldi's run and it's one of the reasons Clara was generally not well received by fans.
Then of course you have Jodi's run as the Doctor, which was consistently the lowest rated and lowest viewed in the shows entire history. Not because the Doctor was a woman, but because the writing was atrocious and cared more about pushing every social narrative it could. It's sad really, because shows like this have such great potential to really highlight this stuff, just look at past Dr. Who or the original Quantum Leap. Tackling social issues with good writing and common sense but all that seems to matter now is that the message is made clear, if you're a white male you're subhuman and you should feel horrible for even being associated with the patriarchy. The fact they actually state that the Doctor couldn't understand because he's "male presenting" just shows the utter hubris and ignorance of these people. He's thousands of years old, has been multiple people including a woman, and yet he couldn't understand? To imply that some 15 year old understands more about the universe than the person who's literally saved it for millennia simply because they are non-binary is vomit inducing.
I had a lot of hope for this show when I heard the former cast and crew were returning, I even had hope for the next doctor, but after this it's blatantly clear that they want nothing more than to completely destroy this entire series.
Just like Marvel’s Kevin Feige before him, RTD is yet another representative of questionable integrity exposed by his own choice of action and words towards the long time supporters of his legacy no less. Doesn’t matter how deeply rooted your attachment and passion for this established universe of characters is, if you randomly happen to have the wrong type of melanin, gender and physical prowess “you’re still a lower human and bound to be forever isolated” by the next paint-by-numbers cultural overhaul and watch your favorite brand of escapism being gradually deconstructed in front of your very eyes. His words, not mine. To the former fans of David Tennant’s Dr. Who, my condolences.
@@Dinoslay It's utterly depressing. I got into Dr. Who when it was revived with Eccleston and was an avid viewer all the way up until Jodi, and I gave it an earnest chance, but I'd already seen the writing on the wall and knew it was building to this. Maybe one day after it's been cancelled it'll be revived again, but until then I'm done.
Yes you hit it right on the nail!
As I said in my comment,
I stopped watching the series after they ruined it with Soo many stupid ideas they had done with the Doctor...
As far as I'm concerned,Capaldi was the last!
Everything else is just wrong!
I watched all of Jodi's run. I felt like people were directing their hate at Jodi when the problem was with the shitty direction, shitty production, and atrocious writing. Jodi's doctor was bad but people put far too much emphasis on Jodi when assigning blame.
I felt like there were times in Jodi's run when she was doing pretty damn good only for some plot contrivance and shitty message to totally ruin it.
@@Unethical.Dodgson I remember when I was in school, when Tennant was in the role, and even then my friends and I were talking about the 13th regeneration. We knew there'd only be 13 and heard rumours that the last one would be a woman because, I dunno, Timelord rules or something. This was back in the 2000's. At that age we were just excited and curious to see what they could do with the stories of the last regeneration, we didn't care whether it was a man or woman. My friends and I tapped out during the middle of Matt Smiths run (I actually think it was when Clara joined) because the writing took a nosedive and we never got to see the fun stories we'd hoped for.
Could you imagine destroying someone like Indiana Jones or Luke Skywalker? Unthinkable. Yet, that's exactly what they are trying to do to Dr Who. What's next, a Scooby Doo cartoon without a dog????
The horrible Velma show proves that they will destroy anything.
The Message
Disney has already destroyed starwars ,Indinana Jones and many other beloved franchises
Anything they touch dies
Unfortunately Disney's not alone , Amazon, Netflix and the MSHEU are doing the exact same thing to anything they touch too
Since none of them are listening to the fans or audiences we have to hurt them in the wallet as this is the only thing theses idiots understand
So boy cotting Disney ,Amazon Netflix and the MSHEU is all we can do
Before the studios have destroyed everything leaving only dried out corpse husks in thier wake
You are so lucky,you missed "Velma"
They =did= destroy Indiana Jones and Luke Skywalker!
Thank you for showing that clip of Henry Cavill. I forgot what a professional actor in Hollywood acts like when promoting a project. That’s why we like him, he has passion for what he does and a true fan. I hope Jennifer Salke stays far away from the project and it with him as producer. Hopefully it will be great.
If they were confident in the message they were pushing, they wouldn't need to attack the fans.
Now, more than ever, a certain quote from the 200th episode of Stargate SG-1 comes to mind: "Never underestimate your audience. They're generally sensitive, intelligent people who respond positively to quality entertainment."
I didn't exactly have high hopes for RTD's return, but this was a new low even for him. I may give the remaining 2 specials a shot, but something tells me I will probably end up sitting out his tenure.
Good god, the hubris of RTD. The fans are never wrong, only the creators. If you go to a restaurant and order a meal and it tastes like crap, you're entitled not to like it and complain What's the difference? None.
One difference is the servers and busboys don't insult you for complaining about the food they had nothing to do with preparing. Unlike many actresses that take complaints about the writing/directing as a personal attack.
You are EXACYLT right.
@@landor7610 Oh, you mean the actresses that talk about how wonderful they are and how much better than men they are? Or do you mean the actresses who take on roles that are morally reprehensible and somehow think they are being virtuous. They don't have to take on those roles. They don't have to take part in the spreading of "the message". They choose to do so and to promote the material. They are therefore making their opinions public and trying to profit from the public reaction. If they are going to politicise their "art" in these ways then they can damn well expect to be criticised for doing so.
RTD has had hubris for years - he's now just got more freedom to show it. He's one of the worst writers in creative history.
I was at work once and had a work colleague who in middle conversation blurted out "I'm a lesbian, I am into girls" to which I said "What has that got to do with what We are talking about?" To which She said "Nothing I just wanted to put it out there" to which My reponce was "Right, well you being a lesbian is completely irrelevant to the conversation We were having and completely irrelevant to Me" to which She responds with "Ohhh".
Im just sick of all western media calling me evil for how I was born
I know! I could have SWORN that was the thing “the message” is supposed to be about, isn’t it? We’re not supposed to judge and condemn others for how they were born, or who they love? Weird
Ironic indeed, considering the Doctor CANNOT CHOOSE the identity or look of his body, meaning he has no choice but to identify in the moment of whatever the hell his body is. Like, even if the Doctor was experiencing dysphoria, it'd either end up with a grim case of the doctor doing something to try and change gender (unaliving), or having to somehow physically change gender without doing that, and then it being undone when they regenerate. SO it's literally shitting on someone who has 0 choice in their physical body @@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access
We are aware of the Disney executive zoom conference in which Disney's "not at all secret gay agenda" is acknowledged
and a producer brags about "adding queerness" to programming. Russel T. Davis has now shown himself to be all in. Davis,
the BBC, and Disney should accept the fact that 95% of the audience are heterosexual and they are not tuning in to be
lectured to about the goodness of homosexuality..
That leaked zoom meeting is when i was completely done with all things Disney. I cancelled my Disney+ immediately. There is morning they can put out that I will watch.
Did we expect anything less? Disney's input all over it, they really are the kiss of death to any franchise they touch.
Did you watch the chibnal/jodi seasons? The BBC is actually worse than disney. But not by much.
Disney's input does not explain why Tennant would agree to violate and murder The Doctor like this.
Peanut
@@miller-joel easy... the script he read and the script they filmed were 2 diff scripts.... also I don't see how they murdered the doctor by mentioning pronouns.. the doctor is the kind of being who never gave a shit about gender, your all actually surprised the doctor is pro-trans? lmao funny people, have you even been watching this show through the years? watching maybe but not paying attention clearly.
@@ImJamieX Wrong. Tennant's public statements clearly show where he stands. I'm not going to waste time explaining how this is toxic woke garbage. You obviously don't get it or care.
I’m dreading for more franchises being ruined by modern Hollywood such as The Chronicles of Narnia, Back to the Future, and Nightmare on Elm Street.
You just know the Christian core of Narnia will be lost
Don’t give them ideas it already sucks that they ruined 80% of the things I grew up with. Don’t give them another 5%
Such a cheap excuse for the bad writing and execution 😂. No, the problem is that they are underestimating the Audience. Not showing a good story, believable characters, real problems (of non binary people for example - still think in this kind of show it will become a caricature), but they are trying to beat us with placards on sticks like we are a little brats needed to be teached what is good. C'mon! Really? I thought these are an escapist series and open minded to everybody from the beginning, without screaming about it so loud over everything else. Bat writing, that's all.
They thought bringing back RTD, Tennant, and Tate would save Dr. Who. So they doubled down on THE MESSAGE thinking fans would still support this crap for memberberries. I actually watched the first season of Chibnal/Jodi Who honestly looking forward to a female Dr... It was so bad just stopped caring anymore. I expected more from the return of RTD.
Agree, they could have done so much better with proper writings.
They never intended to "save" Doctor Who. They could not care less. The only thing they care about is The Message.
There is a part where they straight up said he was better as a woman and that a woman can do it better. Why even put that line in the show. The show is filled with lines that seems to serves no purpose other then to piss fans off.
One of Tennants first lines as 14 was " a few hours ago I was a brilliant woman" trying to make out that witless was a brilliant doctor when in fact she was bloody awful.
R i.p Doctor Who.$$$$$$$$sold out..Shame on you DISNEY!!
@@markjones-gu2fj "Witless", lmao, that's a name I heard our governor called before. Gvnr. Whitless (D-MI), long-lost relative (well, not actually) of Dr. Karen
@@markjones-gu2fj Not only that, but how often does the Doctor compliment and boast about his other regenerations? Entire episodes are built on how much they tend to exchange barbed banter and insults, and generally be quite acerbic and humorously competitive. The most positive it gets in initial statements like that is just dry and neutral like "I was a grey haired Scotsman." So that attitude of "I was so brilliant!" is *jarringly* out of character.
@@demaupin Also in the brain of morbius the 4th doctor said " I had an old grey version before this which some seemed to like " having a thinly veiled stab at Pertwee. When the doctors meet up they always squabble because they all think that thier incarnation was the best to now say that Witless was the best ever because she was a woman is wokeness to the nth degeee.
I suppose they never heard/ understood the phrase, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you".
I have to say this - I used to be a HUGE Doctor Who Fan. David Tennant was MY Doctor. So when he regenerated into Mat Smith i was already kind of .. not liking it. but i gave Matt a Chance and he was really good. What i didn't like that Amy, River and Clara treated the Doctor like he was stupid and they knew better than he did. You didn't really get that w/Rose, Martha and Donna (Oh they gave the doctor clap back but it was more a give and take, and they didn't know MORE than you know the 900 year old alien).
then Peter Capaldi came in and it was more of the same, and I was just... not here for that. Then people clammoured for a woman doctor, and I remember saying that this wouldn't be a good idea for NUMEROUS reasons [#1 being that i don't think the writers would have the care it would take to write for a "female alien doctor who can be kind of douchey at times without it coming off in just being a cow, and she'd never take the heat for it - as much as a Male doctor can, which would hurt the development OF said Doctor.]. i was told i was wrong and then we have Jodi Wittaker (whom i liked in Broadchurch) basically being a cow of a doctor and making horrendous decisions]. Oh did i mention this is on top of the show continually to poop on any male character that they could? who wants to see that? Not me so i just stopped watching.
and I will admit. they caught me. it was RTD coming back, with David and my favourite companion in Donna, and the 15th Doctor seemed kinda interesting [in theory] and i was like. okay.... yes! i'll try it. and it's gonna be on disney+ so that's okay i have that idon't have to struggle to find it else where... and i saw 15 minutes and i was.. What? What? WHAT?! and turned it off. sorry just. no. I am a woman and I never once felt the need to tell a man "if you were a woman, you would get it." unless i was talking about you know. actual bodily functions or something.
so. yeah. Doctor WHo only exists for me in Series 1 through 5. no need to see anything else other than that. if that makes this gal a toxic fan then okay cool. who wants to sit at my table and eat cookies?
Dr.Who only exists for me in William Hartnell to Sylvester McCoy. Genuine Dr.Who has to have shakey sets and non-CG monsters.
Do you have chocolate chip?
got any fish fingers and custard?
Too long a, rant
@@rachelarok you want to be that guy how about I say your comment is too short.
So equality is using men as punching bag?!
That is The Message.
They hate men
Pandering aside (as difficult as that may be), there was too much to wince at,
- Meep sounding like the child of Dobbie and K9, and was obviously the baddie, but apparently that was meant to be a twist
- Affable older-black-guy-day, slightly out of touch granny, geeky nerd kid, boo-hiss screen bullies are all tropes all that were mined with carefree abandon
- "This is a sonic screwdriver, and if it's good at one thing, it's resonating concrete"...... the validity of his concrete remark may have been more pertinent had he not said it just moments after he used the same screwdriver to conjure laser-grade force fields from thin air within seconds🙄
- Did anyone believe that giant rubber insect legged aliens wanted meep fur? ..... What exactly for ... to make curtains, to line their car seats, for toupés ?
- Donna, who apparently "misses everything that ever happens" when a spaceship crashes above her head, spots the motionless meep in a shed hidden amongst a pile of soft toys
- The lava-cracks only went through the roads in the middle of a compact metropolis, which then got magically reversed
- The screwdriver is not a magic wand.
- The 1,000 year old mega-space genius constantly looking baffled until the final 15 minutes when someone fresh out of a mediocre drama school shows him the way - is wearing a little thin
- Donna yelling "What the HELL is that?" is numbing to hear once let alone multiple times in the one episode
- It had obviously landed, it didn't need Space-Gandalf to confirm it
- The baddies yelling about reigns of terror is insulting the intelligence of the viewer, even if the viewers are kids.
- How does a wheelchair fire two stun darts in quick succession to two different necks with absolute pinpoint accuracy .... and rockets have a kickback (Newtons Third Law) and thrown the chair or violently tipped her over.
- Speaking of laws, whatever happened to the law of "Show Don't Tell" from filmmaking 101?
- It was just and exhaustive 50 minutes of fan-fondling.
and the viewership figures will repeat the same pattern of season decline. And I used to think that would be a shame. But now I think it is so tired and empty, and it just needs putting to bed.
yeah. Shame.There wasnt much to like about this at all. It felt like an exercise in forgiveness to me, without a lot of payback.
Just one note: The sonic screwdriver has been treated as a magic wand throughout the entire reboot. Having it generate some sort of barrier effect actually makes way more sense than using it to take sensor readings or hack computers.
Shame on Europe and the BBC for dragging David Tennant through the mud.
Sad
You do know that Tennant is one hundred percent on board with this right?
Dragging Tennant through the dirt? Tennant is pro trans and non-binary children. He's the worst of the bunch.
He is completely on board with it.
It truly sickens me watching this. They've destroyed everything I've spent nearly 50 years supporting: Comics, Movies, Shows, etc. I've been a DC fanboy my whole life, amassed over 6,000 comics, thousands of action figures, statues, etc. Been a fan of Star Wars since 1977 and it very much molded my life as a child and into my adulthood. I've loved Doctor Who since Eccleston started. Now I don't watch or buy any of this shite. It's disgusting.
whatever old man, it all belongs to women nowwww hahaha 🎉🎉🎉
@@eriksonoliveiraiii1605 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@Nok1me hail women
@eriksonoliveiraiii1605 You are soooo behind the times! Women are just birth givers. It all belongs to trans now.
Calm down mate its literally like 2 scenes the plot didn't even revolve around it your acting like they changed everything
The Fourth Doctor is my favourite Doctor Who variant, Tom Baker is a legend.
Can’t say I’ve seen a lot of him but from what I have seen he was great
@@thejessegrant He eats jelly babies, his scarf is iconic and Tom Baker is still going strong at the age of 90.
@@thejessegrantomg, yes! Tom Baker is great! When dr who was a wonderful, silly, FUN, sci fantasy show. Tom Baker is my first Doctor, and Tom said that Dr Who was asexual. I loved that about him. Then they turned Dr who into just another romantic lead, in love with his companions. (Which was interjected into the Paul McGann movie) he became less interesting in one regard. The show wasn’t about sex. It was a silly romp adventure monster of the week crazy ride. Love Jon Pertwee and many of the early doctors. I don’t recognize the show post capaldi. Jodi is terrible, never liked her in anything. I’m for “woke” causes, but doctor who isn’t the place for pushing this rainbow capitalism!
@@thejessegrant Tom Baker episode called "Image Of The Fendahl". A country woman says "'ere, how do 'e know so much?". And his response is "I read a lot".
Tennant's Silence In The Library episode or whatever the stupidity was called. He bounces in, yells "books! Greatest weapons in the universe!".
And throughout the entire episode, never ever uses a book for any purpose whatsoever.
It's not just that Tom Baker was great. The WRITING was great. And not just tight, not just science-fictiony, not just COMPLETE ABSENCE OF STUPID AGENDA, but was written in exactly the ways you mention in your video. It drove the plot forward. It came from the plot, it came from the mouths and minds of the characters.
And even when the series went off the air between 1989 and 2005, except for the one single movie co-produced with Fox... they had audio plays and novels. And some of the novels were FANTASTIC. And there was even a spinoff -
But a big chunk of original Russell Davies, virtually all of those idiots Steven Moffat and Chris Chibnall... they were scum. They were garbage writers. And they wrote garbage scripts. The only thing that saved Peter Capaldi's episodes was PETER CAPALDI. Everything else about Doctor Who since about 2006 - and man, I'm telling you this as a 52 year old who's seen every surviving episode of Doctor Who ever - is garbage that ought to be burned.
I'm thankful that due to quirks in where I lived, the ONLY Dr Who I got a chance to watch were those with Tom Baker. I saw a quirky entertaining show, at the perfect time in history. Feel bad for the Whovians that had to watch the newer ... shite.
How does Henry cavill have the best takes, like how is this dude the most handsome man on earth AND intelligent
That's why they keep him down
His appearance is merely a reflection of who he is, ofc. He is beautiful and intelligent on the inside, and because he shows that with the care he puts into how he treats fans AND the media they love, he looks beautiful and intelligently elegant. But seriously, I love his take on "I understand I'll never be 100% what fans want, I just do my best and be respectful of them, their opinions, and the material." I mean, the dude was paid out the ass for the Witcher, but left it on principle once they began fucking with it, because as a fan himself, he 100% understood.
You know Henry Cavell is a prince among men by the way he treats his wonderful dog.
How many times we gotta go through this before we learn? The people in charge of your fave franchises have shown you who they are, and what their message is... bringing back favorite actors/castings are just a bait and switch to destroy your fave characters in front of you for not accepting their message to begin with... but people keep falling for it over and over and over
In this particular case the producer that did this was highly acclaimed because he had already produced the most famous era of modern DW. It was reasonable of fans to expect something at least decent.
I fall for it repeatedly and I don't know whether to hate myself or the producers
I mean the way they molest what we love to its very core, turning it inside out and defecating all over it is beyond appalling
Yeah, the message is making entertaining stuff for people to watch, not politics
In series 3 ep 8 & 9, Martha faces racism and sexism whilst posing as John Smith's servant due to him having to become human in 1913 to hide from the family. This is shown well, as the writers assume we already know that stuff is bad, and it feeds the audiences empathy and shows her dedication to helping him.
The scene where Rose and Donna are walking and she's getting called names worked just fine for me. As it assumes we already know it is a bad thing.
It's when they write as if we're too thick or selfish to understand these specific issues and so have to clunkily place some form of exposition to tell you it's wrong. If the Doctor straight up just asked how to refer to the meep, it would sit in the story much less abrasively.
Patronised is one word for how I felt watching it.
Hope I'm making sense haha.
100% agreed.
Aye, like, no one had to ask the Slitheen their gender identity, because the Slitheen CHOSE to use male/female bodies. A Slitheen could have fitted inside a male skinsuit if they identified as that, or a female.
People hate the episode because the episode hates people
Let me get this STRIGHT, you have a man dressed up like a woman telling a REAL man he wil never know what it's like to be a WOMAN? WTF
A man who was previously an actual woman to.
Welcome to the fall of the West. We're in for a hell of a ride.
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My brain just combusted.
@@TikkyNoSurnamemine too
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In that case, we should apply to write the next season of Dr. Who together. I think that's the main hiring criteria now.
I was a big fan of Russell T. Davies, admiring the way he'd successfully brought back Doctor Who "for modern audiences" while not losing the show's identity. Those first few seasons of the revived show were a masterclass in how to handle a property like that, pleasing the old fans and bringing legions of new fans aboard. WTH happened to RTD? Feels like a "blink twice if you need help" situation.
It's the same crap as the last crap.
Just flush the toilet already, it's full of crap. 😞😔
Sadly
I used to be a centrist politically, but this constant ramming of "The Message" into every IP I loved and completely destroying them has pushed me further and further right wing.
Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Wheel of Time, James Bond, Indiana Jones, The Witcher, MCU Superheroes, DC Superheroes, the list is constantly growing.
At this point, I'd gladly criminalise the insertion of identity politics into entertainment.
Life sentence, no parole.
The Message
I'm still a centrist, my views have barely changed. Most of my friends are leftists but even they don't buy into this new ideology. This new "left" aren't really left, it's something else entirely. It may be most prevalent on the left due to its supposed "progressive" views but I consider it to be a cult.
I think most people move further to the political right as they grow into middle age as through accumulated (often bitter) experience they see more and more truth about the world. Especially as what used to be regarded as the liberal idea, "If there is no harm to others it is permissible", is now regarded as semi-fascistic by many on the left.
Liberal ideal, not idea. Darn predictive text.
As Tolkien said. Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.
Everything Disney touches turns to woke and everything woke touches turns to shit🤣
So true!.
The amount of time they said Rose was beautiful or gorgeous, for no reason... like seriously we get it, she's so fragile that you have to affirm her nonstop! Its pure narcissism.
Anyone else find it kinda creepy that a 21 year old man is playing a 16 year old girl?
@@adrianshawuk I don't think she can be any older than 14.
@@adrianshawukYasmin Finny, the actress who plays Rose, is only 20, and Rose is, at most, 15 years old. Tom Welling played Clark Kent on Smallville when he was 24 and Clark was a 14 year old freshman. It’s not weird
It was so uncomfortable how characters kept constantly saying how beautiful and gorgeous she is. Simultaneously so patronizing toward the character and actress, and so patronizing toward the audience. I honestly don't know who it was insulting more.
@@micahanglen4331given they saw Donna's memory loss was 15 years ago, 14 seems like the oldest they could reasonably be, but probably younger given Donna wasn't pregnant and Jason/Rose wasn't around during the End Of Time specials.
And the creators of South Park predicted this when they did the Panderverse.
It was predicted well before South Park. Remember the rumours Tennant was to return and be lectured by Whittaker during her run? The only thing they got wrong was who lectured him.
This is why I don't want Disney to bring back Iron Man. They will ritualistically ruin him!
I was finished with Dr Who years ago. Now I'm doubly finished and glad about it.
BBC created Dr Who - the show is financed and distributed by Disney for Dr Who 60 years anniversary - Disney made Wish for their 100 years, it flopped - Disney/BBC made Dr WHo special for 60 years anniversary - it sucks, You see the constant? Both Dr Who and Wish have the same BS in the writings and Disney spent money for both. Do i need to elaborate?
Everything Disney is involved with is destroyed. SW destroyed, Marvel destroyed and now Dr who. I wonder which franchise is next.
Anyone else surprised to see they fucked up a show for male nerds by trying to turn it into a show for feminist nerds?
Neither am I because it was obvious. 🙄
@@rbhatt2247 Exactly. This show has been changed to appeal to an audience that doesn't exist.
This show is no longer for nerds it’s for middle aged lib Karens.
Woke SJWeirdos have never been, nor ever will be, the paying customer. They bully to get their way and never pay.
Female nerds don’t want this shite either
RTD is more about gays than feminism, he did a DW for gay nerds that are a niche within a niche.
Thanks for this review, you are spot on with your evaluation!
I have 2 things to note...firstly both Tennant and Tate had a CHOICE of taking part in this, and they chose to do so. To me that devalues their previous roles in doctor who, I honestly don't know if I can go back and watch their old episodes now as this leaves a really sour taste!
Secondly what this confirms even more is that the BBC is now merely the media and propaganda wing and mouthpiece of the UK government pushing out it's agenda which is meant to divide us all. The British taxpayers should not be paying to fund this through the licence fee!!
Donna’s ending was the saddest and most heartbreaking ending for a companion in the 60 years of the show. And they flipping undid it for THE MESSAGE. Words can’t explain my and many other Whovian’s pain at what has happened to our show.
There is a message in the episode whether intentional or not that the doctor damaged roses brain which is what made her trans, yet like in real life the doctor doesn't try to cure him but instead pushes them further into their delusions, the complete opposite of how the character usually behaves.
First They Came for Ghostbusters then They Came for Star Wars then Star Trek and Doctor Who, Marvel, James Bond and on and on it goes until...
This is like McDonald's blaming customers cause the fries sucks.
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It's time to put the Doctor on ice for another 16 years, if not longer.
It's all about "THE MESSAGE" #RIPDoctorWho
Star Wars fans don’t get fooled by Dave Filoni turning things around in Ashoka just becuz he became CFO when that was also said about Russel T Davis was going bring back Doctor Who to its roots. Since Disney is also involved in this. Makes you wonder who is really in control over these IP’s
Everyone thought that they brought back david as fan service but in reality they used him as the next doctor is black and they didn't want to have white women berating a black man over his power and privilege. Its so sadly predictable
10.18 million people tuned into the 50th anniversary. Just over 5 million tuned into the 60th. Expect that figure to go down dramatically with the next specials and the season after that.
Attacking fans for show runners garbage work seems to be the thing these days, no accountability?
Pardon a pedantic comment, but I really think that preferred pronoun dialogue could have been written a lot less preachy and aggressive and the joke would have been great.
Rose: Are you sure its He?
Dr: Oh good point, are you he, she or other?
Meep:I just go as the def article, the Meep.
Dr: Ah I can relate (eyes the camera, soft breaking the 4th wall.)
Thus no preaching, no attacking, just the actual topic in a natural and relatable dialogue.
Or just scrap it altogether, because it's uncessary beyond belief
That preferred pronouns line was so over-the-top ridiculous that you'd think it's from a South Park panderverse type parody
If even the BBC roasted their own show, it's clear they *weren't* the ones who did this to the special.
I remember TD back in the 9th Doctor's tenure in the Tardis, calling devoted fans 'ming mongs'. I kid you not. Are you aware the actor playing Rose is transgender? There was no subtlety in the plot around this. All we got was: Race-tick, Gender-tick, Gender Assignment-tick, Religion tick, Disability-tick and little effort in celebrating Dr. Who. My wife and I cringed with the Disney 'Whoniverse' title sequence. Also, The Meep is voiced by well known actor and author Miriam Margolyes. Who is gay. That wasn't pushed to the fore/virtue signalled, so why everything else? All the guff and worthiness did spoil it all alas. Should have been a blast. So much for the 10th Doctor being the Defender of Earth. Bugger! 6.5/10 from us across the Pond.
In my eyes she is not nor will ever be the real rose. And any real fan knows it. The name is wrong. Just wrong
Even the BBC referred to it as “the message.” The term has truly reached mainstream awareness.
That's a brave journalist, knocking a BBC product from a BBC publication? Guts, and they are correct.
They understand the more they ham fist the message, the lower their ratings are going to get. This is why they double down whenever it happens. If fans don't like getting ham fisted, the BBC fists even harder.
Drunk Scotsman snuck into the office
8:28 The problem is also 100% on the political opinions and beliefs
The sarcasm dripping from Tennant's delivery of that pronoun line followed by his flippant delivery of the following line is glorious.
And I swear I heard him say "We can stop this shit..." when trying to stop the Meep ship taking off. I've listened to it several times, and I still hear the same thing. Wish it were true.
There is no sarcasm, what you talking about?
Sorry I don't think he was being sarcastic.... not one bit. Might be wishful thinking on your part and I don't blame you one bit :(
@@friendlyotaku9525 It's subtle, but it's there.
@@SuperLaney81 It's subtle, but Tennant is clearly just not having this special's treatment of his character.
Tennant and Tate's story had a beautifully bittersweet ending in 2008 and capped off 2010. This 2023 nightmare does not exist in my mind... at all!!!
Hollywood is just gonna take itself out at this point they just love the fact that they can blame the fans instead of themselves
Disney - where great shows go to die.
I miss when Doctor Who ten years anniversaries meant we were going to see a really cool overwhelming villain (despite any mental or physical handicaps, they were cool and menacing which is what defined the character), and The Doctor would need help from previous incarnations of The Doctor (played by previous actors). There would be fun references to what came before, and it would be about the adventure...not current day political beliefs that alienate those who think differently.
I also miss when Doctor Who was meant to be a family show about a being going on adventures through space and time. Before The Doctor began trying to sleep with his companions, he used to travel with both male and female companions regularly and never once did any character use their sexuality to save the day. Laughable.
0:12 Steven Spielberg called. He wants his ET scene back. Fuck. Did they really stoop so low as plagiarising the iconic Gerty and ET scene?
But all things being equal - why did no one make a big thing out of Moffatt doing the same thing? (He took p*** out of Return Of The Jedi whilst doing the same thing to Davros over 7 years ago).
'Homage'?!?
I honestly hate Russell T Davis said this because he did some of, if not, the best shows ever made and I had my hopes up since he returned to Doctor Who
Can I point out the irony. While trying to appear to be on the side of transpeople they say an incredibly transphobic line: "You know nothing, it's a shame you're not a woman anymore, cause she would've understood". Imagine their reactions if you said this to a trans-man, and my point would be proven.
Absolutely nothing wrong with diversity and inclusivity in the show and any shows, that’s great. I just wish it didn’t feel so forced, like it was telling people off. I hate all the cruel transphobic comments coming from some of the fanbase towards the actress of rose. The trans message is perfectly fine and important in the episode, I just wish it wasn’t talking down to its audience
People are reacting that way BECAUSE of things like that. It's not that they hate them as a person, but more that they sold themself out to slam this message down people's throats and force this message. Everyone involved saw the script. As a trans person, they had the chance to go "This feels rude and blatantly disrespectful, not to mention pretty contrived and forced. Is there a way we can go about this that doesn't devalue men/non-trans individuals who might not be aware of these issues/fully understand them?" Instead they looked at it and went "OH I CAN INSULT THE POSTER CHILD OF NEW-WHO FOR BEING A DUDE? AWESOME!" and ran with it. Tennant was THE FAVOURITE Doctor of all time, so ofc people are going to be salti af.
The BBC influence of this special was so strong they hired an actor with a BBC for one of the lead female roles, how stunning and brave.
They took a page out of the Disney's PR playbook.
It was produced by Disney as well they co produced it somehow
@thejessegrant Disney successfully drove Star Wars to the ground. Doctor Who just received the same treatment. I guess I am a racist and a phobic now.
The main problem for me was the 60th Anniversary didn't even feel like a tribute to any of Who history whatsoever it was just another typical episode no mentions of past Doctors or any major gotcha moments. The 50th Anniversary really felt special. This 60th was seriously lacking any nostalgia apart from the return of David Tennant and Donna Noble
Just focusing on The Doctor for a moment. What did he actually do in the episode, other than run around a lot and be a target of hate? Bye bye Dr Who. It was a great run, which started stuttering with Capaldi, before becoming a box ticking exercise. Sad tbh.
One could imagine that Dr. Sheldon Cooper would have words with the producers of this show.
Matt Smith just became the favourite Doctor of the new series
Totally agree. The fans are the reason for a shows success, and a good showrunner must cater to the fans while creating engaging storylines. The audacity of Rose scolding The Doctor over pronouns was absolutely ludicrous and awkward.I was hopeful RTD would right the ship that Chib had all but sank, but now im skeptical. Especially since RTD took Davros out of a "wheelchair" because he's afraid people with disability would be equated with being bad or evil. Funny, i never once had that thought enter my mind. It makes me wonder why it entered his. If this is the track of the show, it is truly dead.
Spot on! well said. I've been a fan since To Baker was in the 70s. It's so sad to see this series self-implode like this. The most tragic is part of this episode is how they treated David Tennant after he helped to bring the series back to TVs around the world... Unfortunately, the time has come for the doctor.
Dr Who is a male, white, British, eccentric and genius alien. That’s been his character and story arc from the very beginning until Jodie Whittaker took over. BBC already retconned his origins. BBC and Disney, please stop destroying legacy franchises. Create new characters and stories that reflect your agendas. Sad, sad, sad.
There are lots of shows that weren’t "made for me“ that I love.
But now it seems like there are only shows left where the showrunners hate the source material, try to pander to far left extremists and tell me that I shouldn’t watch the show if I don’t like it.
Alright, now you will have to pander to me and make the show exactly how I want it if you want my money.😂
The thing is, Russel T. Davies _was_ a fan of the show. It's the reason he revived it in 2005 in the first place and did a great job. The show started to decline after he left. Now he's back and joining the people that made it suck, apparently.
Its unfortunate the David Tennant came back, they brought him back to denigrate him just like they have to denigrate all of our previous heroes, Luke Skywalker, Han solo, Indiana Jones, Thor and many others
As soon as I found out that Doctor Who was a part of Disney now, I tapped out...
Finished with it after 40 years.
This is what I attempted to get across to a buddy when we talked about it on his podcast.
Ended up turning into: Donna has Always knocked the Doctor in a fun manner"
But I still had problems with the Wokeness garbage, only to learn a few days later that the Deal between Disney and the BBC (though Disney does not own Doctor Who still insisted upon this garbage) would Push the DEI (i.e Quota) when it came to Ethnicity, Gender, Sexuality if Doctor Who was going to be aided on Disney.+.
I have no dog in their silly antagonized battles they crave; what I’ve seen is dealbreaking cringe end of story. You can’t come back from that. People with such an ax to grind can’t make profitable entertainment. There’s an underlying passive-aggressiveness with almost all this kind of media, too. I always just don’t LIKE the characters.
If your not making a show for the fans, you shouldn't have a job.
I really wanted to see david tennant as the doctor again, but with this...I dont want to ruin my memory of his doctor
remember that old, quaint bit of advice for novice writers (as well as experienced) is 'show, not tell' they sure did a lot of telling in that ep
Great video Jesse, I know you dont normally cover Who, you totally put your finger on it, and hooray for you standing up for fans! Thankyou :)
RTD is now totally out of touch with the fanbase and is now concerned with activism over plot and story. RTD is wrong and he knows it but will never admit it.
A big part of this, I think, is that RTD's ego has grown out of control. The man (sorry if I'm assuming his preposterous pronoun by the way) believes he can do no wrong. Listen to ANY of his recent speeches, interviews etc and it's clear that HE believes he is the best showrunner in the show's history. 'HE' owns Doctor Who (in his mind) and can do whatever he wants. Just listen to that diatribe he spouted about Davros and wheelchair users!?! He really should stop thinking he's some great social and spiritual guru and start writing some good stories again.... something he hasn't done for a very, very long time.
RTD replying oh poor baby kinda does prove the statement that someone male presenting can't let go 😂 We've come full circle
Seriously though, I think DW is dead for me and it ended with Capaldi regenerating.
Even Chinball wasn't this preachy.
I have no hopes that it will get better and I believe RTD trying to piss off the fanbase in the very first episode was very intentional.
We appreciate your insights. We will always support you no matter what.
And I thought it couldn’t get any worse than the Jodi Whitaker era….oh was I so wrong
This show litterally saved my life when I was living in an abusive situation. I especially connected with Donna, never enough, not important, pretending like I don't care.
Thank you for this video. I appreciate that even though you aren't a fan of the show that you are still willing to call out the bullshit of RTD
As for me. I did like the part with the pronoun and the Meep, and the Meep saying it was the, that was foreshadowing as "the" is the pronoun villains tend to use, yet also something the doctor does. So that worked well for me.
I also liked how they used it as a solution to the meta crisis, that felt like some fun, classic gender magic and tied it all to the Doctors complex and expansive nature. That also worked well for me even if it was a bit deus ex machina, but hey it is RTD.
What did not work at all for me was those two comments at the end, those where really bad. Do not tell people they are the wrong gender. It is the opposite of what should be done to improve things and how we should treat each other. And it was such a shame as they had to me been interesting and lovely regarding the subject before that. And it makes people also look at the other instances in a different light.