Fisker Ocean Extreme driving impressions and summary
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33:52 that's me in the Karma! I'm actually quite happy with it! Feels like a GT car on long drives.
I live in the Jessheim area. Let me know if you want to give the Karma another go!
Maybe your mind will change since last time you tried it :)
That's not how REM's song goes?
@@bjornnyland I'll email you!
@@TeamHahah bow chicka wow wow
That is some INSANE odds, he starts speaking about extremely rare Karma and you show up in front of Bjorn lol, crazy
I‘d love to see a Karma review 👍😀
33:46 NO WAY!!!
"This car is nowhere as bad as the Karma" - meets Fisker Karma!!!!
We lose money on every sale, but make it up in volume!
That‘s probably advanced startup math 🫣😁
They don't make a loss, they make a negative profit.
If the loss has some constant component like development costs that need to be paid off over a limited time, that can even make sense.
I'm in awe at the lack of signalized intersections during your cruise. If only we built our cities with traffic circles from the start, our fuel consumption would be about a third less compared to the sea of signalized intersections we have in the USA. My state has maybe 4 traffic circles in the entire state. It's insane the amount of congestion we have during rush hours. Though we unfortunately could never convert all our intersections to circles. The amount of buildings that would have to be torn down to make room for circles would be in the hundred of billions to compensate.
There is a video online that has info on a state/city in the US which has lots if roundabouts. Maybe Elon Musk should visit it and see that we still need stalks for signalling.
fairly good review. I am an owner for 6 months now. Love the drive and agree that the software needs a lot to work on. I think that the built of car is excellent and the drive is very good. It was not built as a performance car.
This review was timed perfectly, with no excuses about future software updates, and the car is still working at its best, without whatever manufacturer backend services it might rely on already shut down.
I really love the design of this car and hope a large company comes in and takes over.
Fisker Ocean very similar to the Land Rover Evoque.
nope it wont . 99% Fisker is bancrupt within 2 months
Fisker are in NDA talks of a partnership with a potential 4 large companies. There’s a possibility of survival
@@ixmrpurplexi6657 Fisker also said they have four vehicles that they’re going to build, but in reality only have one. So, I assume it’s the same kind of sleight-of-hand here. Tata Motors the corporate interest here.
Of course it would be a blessing for current Ocean owners if an investor would pay for warranty repairs, spare parts and software refinement.
I see 2 scenarios for buying this car. Either to keep it as a garage princess, hoping it will go up in price in 50 years 😅 or buy it for the dicounted price and use it to its death, with hopes of its hardware lasting as long as possible. The resale value will plummet so I don't think buying for short term makes sense, even with discounted price.
But, getting a big comfortable car and a very big battery for 40k is not such a bad deal, as long as the car is usable and one can compromise a bit in software experience etc. With some luck, Fisker might also deliver updates and improve the experience somewhat.
Overall, I agree with Bjørn, it's not such a bad car and with the heaviness and influence that Marques' voice has, the message he conveyed came out a bit too critical, in my opinion. Of course I trust Bjørn's opinion more on this topic. But being a viewer/consumer of both of them, I can say that my impression of the car was pretty much as Bjorn presented it here, after having watched Marques' review. I got an objective look at the car and its features and drawn my own conclusion so I think it's subjective how people receive the message as well. Then again, most people will probably take Marques' message word for word and further downplay Fisker as the worst car manufacturer ever, even though this is clearly not the case.
Provided that Fisker stays afloat and they continue to provide software updates to fix the bugs and add missing functionality, then yes, getting this car now at its discounted rate is a really good deal. The hardware and build quality seems pretty good. It just needs some better software.
No adaptive cruise control after being on the market for more that a year, is wild.
Would never again buy a car without adaptive cruise control and steering assistance.
Hey its not like tesla sold cars in 2012 and didn't come out with adaptive cruise till late 2014 or anything.
@@PeteNPianoTesla were inventing everything from scratch. Fisker have no excuse for it.
@@PeteNPianoThere is discussion on out of spec channel where Kile was saying his opinion about Cibertruck with out some features which is not acceptable when you sent the car to customers
@@igor6559 sure for context Kyle also feels hoodie and bowlcut is professional; maybe take his opinion with a grain of salt. People have successfully driven cars for 100 years without any digital involvement. The expectations of everything, immediately is a millennial+ thing who have lost attachment to reality, costs and logistics of supplying products in today's supply chain.
I just read that several insurance companies in Norway will now no longer offer new Fisker owners anything more than liability insurance. If you want comprehensive insurance, you're out of luck.
So the Fisker Ocean is reasonably well built and it drives reasonably well. However the software is very buggy but that can potentially be fixed over time with software updates, if the company survives. I hope Fisker can find a way to survive as more choice is good for the consumer, especially with the inevitable influx of Chinese EVs that will be coming in.
Just looked up insurance for it in Germany. It’s 59-99 € for the insurance to cover all repairs a month. Including battery and co. Pretty good.
Thx Björn, for reviewing the car timely before fisker goes out of business! 😊 It’s a prime example of just building and selling a car without too much testing and bugfixing in front. This piece is a disgrace for every customer.
thanks Bjørn! Great review 🙏🇳🇴
Seems it has the basis of a good car but they did not have the money to iron out the bugs. Wonder if it will remain in that state or they will fix it. Huge gamble to buy one. To bad since there seems to be much to like here.
Didn’t know about the door handle trick! That’s great!
20:47 charge port open may just be the sensor not in adjustment or too sensitive detecting.
I believe most of bugs can get squashed with software updates, and efficiency in colder climate could be improved with some hardware tweaks.
I hope Fisker get funds or get acquired by other manufacturer, as the car seems a solid product and it is made in Europe, it would be a waste to let all that engineering effort go wasted.
Throw some two or three billion Euros, some advanced engineers and some hardware and software changes in, then this could work in a few years.
If Fisker software has a bad design, then that's it and it'll always be bad. Perhaps after 2-4 years of development and testing, replacing their whole teams and pouring insane money in, it could become acceptable or bearable. But that won't happen, it's too bad, too expensive and too late.
Bjorn very good reviews loved your videos on this car!
My impressions of the car (based on your and other reviewer observations) is that the mechanics of the car aren’t bad, but the software to run the car just wasn’t (and still isn’t) ready for release. It may have been the worst car MKHB ever tested, I think his experience is limited. I don’t recall him reviewing Chinese cars, or even the Vinfast. There are worse cars.
That’s a pretty fucked up benchmark if you’re proud of being better than Vinfast lol
Many cars (also ICE) have this kind of limitation for launches. They just don't show the counter like that.
When you disable the lane departure warning and the other warning do they STAY disabled ??
No
@@bjornnyland Lol.. Unreal
Perhaps Magna could do some of the service and repair? Dangerous when a company is relied on one person.
This car is suitable for risk takers who can afford to write off the car if it fails, who have the cash readily available (financing this car will be near impossible) who have another ride when this one breaks down, who live in an area with many fisker ocean owners (so that there will be third party repairs available in case of bankruptcy) etc. For those people it will be an interesting ride, in many ways.
I wish I could record on my phone and show you at the same time time how my Bluetooth says connected but when I hit play on my phone, music plays on only the phone yet says connected. And you can’t hit play on the car either as it’s grayed out. That’s a constant issue for me unfortunately. Says connect but no music on my Apple iPhone 12 Pro. Spotify and others work perfect. Also, my car number for my ocean disappeared at 1.11 and hasn’t comeback even with 2.0. Software when I click it shows error 404 if I try to read the notes. Wondering if being sequence 1808 they had different computers? Yours does seem snappy. Not sure how to DM on TH-cam but happy to show videos of mine. Definitely not the same experience. Love the car but very very glitchy every day. I’ve also been in hill hold mode in traffic or a long drive through line and it goes into park without me realizing it. The Bluetooth is the most annoying thing and having to click the key fob and wait even with a new battery and it “says” I have 2.0 and have had it for at least 3 weeks for more without improvement. I have seen people with 2 1/2 so maybe I didn’t get the full update?
FSRN is listed on the Over-The-Counter Exchange in the U.S. I would expect it will eventually be revealed that Fisker is a look-behind special purpose shell company that is Tata Motors’ entry into the U.S. auto manufacturing business. Tata Motors owns Land Rover in the UK, and has recently signed a deal to construct a £9B battery gigafactory.
That estimation seems not formulated by accumulated road travel. The Fiskers' software estimations are based on the best-case scenario from a constant formula programmed in the software, without variables.
It should have a "learning" formula to adjust the consumption based on past trips, in both settings of the actual trip and since zero, which has not.
I am "impressed" at how often the sat-nav thinks you are going in one direction in the roundabouts, and then has to correct after... Making the nav map turn back and forth ALL the time. Super annoying. And the flashing screen when it switches between spending and regen electricity.. So many attention grabbing issues.
Well, for that price in the end only the battery pack and the motors cost around 25k🤷 So at least you can cut some loses if all goes to shiiiiit....
At least the icons seem to be the right size, since NHTSA has not issued a recall in the US /s/
Would the solar roof be any factor?
People have tested it in california, adds a miniscule amount of power. In norway its completely useless.
It's a sales gimmick. Adds about a mile or two per day in real world conditions.
No
About the HVAC 15:00 .. Maybe they don't have Temperature in Denmark...?🤔😄
Daily switching between below freezing and a skin cancer inducing 20c has made us give up on temperature 🫠
Maybe a misplaced sensor or a problem with the airflow? Maybe the PTC heater is just consuming lots of energy but not heating the cabin? Maybe an actuator is not properly controlled by some buggy software?
Unfortunately, the air conditioning setting is still not reliable. Especially in EARTH mode you have to set a higher temperature than you actually want. Many other electric cars with heat pumps also have this (e.g. MG4)
there is price drop for the Fiscer Ocean, it is cost now 40% less
Hope they release the sourcecode before they go down. So others can fix the bugs.
But who would take the responsibility that everything works as it should? Sorry, as a Fisker Ocean owner, I don’t want to rely on that some guy programming the adaptive cruise control in his spare time. I doubt that this can be homologated and any insurance company will pay if you have an accident due to some non-manufacturer software you are running on your car.
This could work, if a company takes over the development, responsibility and approval processes. Sounds like this could turn out to be expensive for the owners.
Need google/apple carplay
Likely the only software they can release source for is the Android-based infotainment software. Sourcse for the various vehicle components can likely not be given out.
Even with the source for the infotainment there's a potential it wouldn't be possible to update because it relies on cryptographically signing the software, granted there's a remote chance that it could be jailbroken so the source would be useful but it's unlikely Fisker is in any position to make that work and they shouldn't release any of their own private keys to allow it.
And yeah then there's a potential of who's responsible in terms of software if it's some random person suddenly upgrading it, even though they likely won't be able to make changes to the underlying control units (and hence probably not fix the critical shortcomings like missing ACC) but if they could who takes on responsibility for that?
Nice idea, but that’s not homebrew software for a gaming console. The safety risks are too high. A software malfunction could kill people. 😱
Source code? 😂 Fisker relies on Magna on software and manufacturing.
Knowing how I am about computers and the type of work I do, having this many faults in the software would steer me away from buying this as it sits now. Not to mention, I am not the only one that will need to drive it from time to time. I cannot know these problems exist and have to pick up my phone and listen to her own experiences while she's out driving the car. Not to mention her constantly asking me, "how much did you pay for this"? That would be worse than dealing with the car. So, thanks for saving my sanity since I was at a point that maybe I would be ok with it. The Fisker runs afoul of the "Happy wife, happy life" principal and I need my sanity. lol. Thanks Bjorn. All the best sir.
I'm 16k miles in on my Ocean One and love it, despite some shortcomings and the obvious business issues. Appreciate this straightforward review.
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Is this the latest Fisker? I’ve seen one that the screen rotates into landscape
Yes it has the rotating screen. It goes in vertical mode while driving.
@@nelcomm But I don't understand why it goes vertical. For safety reasons, horizontal orientation should always be preferred.
I am critical of an operation so far down where the road is no longer even in the corner of my eye and has been the cause of accidents in many cases (yes, even with large haptic buttons)
@@Zedus-rl9hp The model S has sold hundreds of thousands of units with that exact screen configuration, how,is it a safety concern
Pick one up now for just about 25k 😂😂😂
A friend of mine works at the company that used to build it and they stopped production… that company is DEAD ☠️
Bjorn I have a suggestion for you....since you have driven so many cars can you do a video telling us what your favourite car is and why???
Thanks
There is no perfect car. Bjørn likes many cars. It depends on your budget, transportation requirements and personal preferences. If you prefer efficiency, go for Tesla. If you prefer luxury and comfort, go for EQS or BMW i7 😁
Did Bjørn already test the Rimac Nevera? 🫣😁
Selling more cars with a loss doesn’t solve the problem
I won’t buy it even if I’m neighbour with Waldemar 🤣🤣🤣
He can fix broken motor and battery but he can't fix broken software ;)
That solar roof. How good is that actually? When you took the battery to zero the roof was doing nothing! Is that solar roof a hoax?
A mile or two per day in real world conditions. Much ado about nothing.
With Fisker almost certainly going bankrupt within a month or two, buying this car would be very dangerous gamble. No warranty, no software fixes and most likely not even service. There have been several reports of the drive train simply refusing to work.
Even without them going bankrupt it was a dangerous gamble, because FIsker...it was bound to happen. The man's a scammer.
Buy 2 for half price and keep other one for spare parts😂
All problems of Fisker came from business and management side. From what I heard is that Fisker didn't have an experience running public company. He's also didn't put a qualify people at the management top, this resulted in chaos at the corp level
@@mukamuka0 not fiskers first time to go bankrupt, so..
There were already two takeover candidates (not Magna). The only question was what role Henrik Fisker will play after the takeover. At the moment that seems to be the reason why there is no result yet. Otherwise, Fisker would already be safe for the next few years. So this could still be very exciting...
37:43 agreed on the MKBHD subject and the inaccurate "review" of that car. Some things are "content based" his review was just personal limited experience and was done well under that premise.
Mkbhd is total flat idiot for cars. He should stick to iphones and smartwatches
Man, these sounds would drive me absolute nuts. I hope Fisker will sonehow find a miracle buyer/ investor. Doubt it but still...
Even Tesla has had SW issues as well, some for years until fixed, with some never fixed. But I have to agree that the Fisker vehicles have always had issues, so it's unfortunate that it's not better tested.
I also believe some of the slowness or sloppiness you mention with software is also setup for unintended button press.
Great impression, let's hope Fisker took notes after seeing this video. I think it would help people if Fisker would be a bit more transparent about announcing future updates and what they contain. That can give future customers bit of an idea of what to expect.
Fisker exactly knows many more problems not mentioned here. They probably don’t have sufficient resources left to work on these, unless a rich investor appears.
Bjørn, MKBHD´s car reviews on his channel "Auto Focus" are meant to be this "kind" of reviews. He intentionally uses just a an iPhone to film his reviews there, so sound, image quality and camera angles aren´t perfect. I don´t remember the exact reason why he uses just a phone camera to film them but i think it has to do with easiness to film them completely alone in stead of needing a 40k red camera and maybe a camera crew to film his videos.
Yes was just about to comment this, ye he just uses a phone to show you don’t need expensive equipment to start a channel
Kind of matching the poor content on his car channel but honestly the video quality was not really bad to me, it was the “review” itself.
The timing for the release of this EV is what aided in the issue is my thought. Still a great creation. The value now is mint on the scale of value.
That damn loud turn signal
Fisker Conspiracy!! One in millions chance you pass one any day...chances you pass a Karma as you are talking about it one in billions! Must be a set up conspiracy! ;) amazing. They were beautiful cars ahead of their time. I really wished Fisker more success in this second round.
Now 12 fast growing European Fisker Dealerships. .and 6 Dealerships in the US. The Ocean already had over 6,500 deliveries with increases at the end of April due to 2023 model discounts. FSRN..159 % rise month. Thumbs up video/ comments. Thanks.
"fast growing". They've stopped building the car and they're selling the remaining vehicle stock 40% off because nobody wants them.
FSRN still 99% down over 6 months. Its just a hyper volatile meme stock now do it'll be 100% up one week then 50% down the next.
Numbers are easy.
Regardless of the outcome, its still one of the best lookings EVs
The Ocean is the Kardashian of EVs. Nice looking on the outside but broken on the inside.
Bjørn the information you shared about new Modle 3 Performance was wrong
Sorry, what was wrong and what was the correct facts?
18:47 Tesla didn’t say that they only made some small modifications over standard Model 3. New M3P has performance-tuned chassis with improved stiffness, 4th gen drive unit, new adaptive suspension, new track mode, and sport seats.
4th gen drive unit has:
+22% continuous power
+32% peak power
+16% peak torque
I meant old Model 3. You probably missed that part.
@@bjornnyland ah ok thanks
I had to mention the bankruptcy. You might as well be reviewing a 1981 Delorean or any other car no one can buy, get repaired, or find parts for.
Thanks for finally mentioning it.
I wonder if Magna will take full control of Fiskar? Agreed, MKBHD is great with tech but sure isn't a car geek. But, his car review might resonate well for the casual auto buyers at least. Lotsa love to all from Toronto ❤❤❤
There are already two takeover candidates (it is not Magna). The only question is what role Henrik Fisker will play after the takeover. That's probably why it still fails
Why would Magna want to take on Fisker's billion-dollar debt? Auto retailing is not their core mission.
What happen if 500 launches only left 000 launch left?
Then you can take the Fisker Ocean into service and get 500 boost again after checking and, if necessary, replacing some worn drive components.
@@163Grad every time i want to drive i tent to launch the my car. 500 is not enough for me
@@reynoldichi1090 Launch Control on every Traffic light 😂
Come on…
@@163Grad even at gas station before exit. Im not kidding. The wheels spinning and i smell plastic burn
@@reynoldichi1090 I'm out of this age
For the MKBHD camera work stuff... He wanted to make that channel low-production-quality intentionally (ke would keep the filming equipment to whatever the latest iPhones or Samsungs or really phones people can get their hands on with). I guess he knows he isn't a car reviewer anyways
One thing stands out - the price...
The problem with the Fisker Ocean is too great a focus on styling and frivolous features, and not enough emphasis on good engineering and solid design development work. Combined with poor financial, marketing and industrial acumen its not so strange that the company is struggling and at the brink of financial collapse. To buy this car even at its present price point is far to high a risk for most people considering future parts availability, warranty claims and available service personnel.
Tesla will Start Cybertruck Europe Tour April 30th. They will also visit Oslo. Hopefully you can check it out!
It was so awesome when Henrik buddy furiously exclaimed they are going off twitter now that it is owned by a competitor... 😀
Speaking about a car that will not be available soon, is it a good way to inform? Sadly run away from this car!!
My ioniq 5 also disengage ACC in bumps when driving with studded tires.
Every software for hardware experiences "software bug fixes" 👍💯👊
18:10 there needs to be a warranty limit with the boost launches on the drivetrain as a whole. If you FULL THROTTLE any car from a dead stop FISKER was smart to put a VISUAL for those that just don't get it. You definitely understand that. 👍💯👊
so it would be an ok car, but fisker sheeet the bed....the bench from the rear 🤦♀
Even with a discount, why take the risk and buy a still expensive car thats buggy and from a company that could very likely be dead very soon, doesn't make sense
This car will be useless once they take the servers offline.
it is baffling why a company that outsourced the whole manufacturing process, decided to embark in making the software, rather than relying on something that works like Android Automotive
it's andoid automotive, but there is still some work to be done...it's not windows for a laptop/pc kind of thing...
MKBHD has around 1 milion subscribers on his car channel. I heard from him somewhere that he tested around 70 cars. I would not say that he doesn't have experience with reviewing cars. Of course he can't be as detailed as your reviews, because his style of the videos is different.
But how many EVs did he test? He doesn't talk much deep into EV tech. Mostly about software and looks.
@@bjornnyland of course not so many as you.
I feel sad for Fisker, although their cars were never that good. It feels like a passion project that unfortunately can't compete with the market well enough.
8:02 unfortunately you did not enable "boost mode" correctly. This is ALSO where things fail with "reviews". Your content is still informative. What people are seeing with "bugs" is more operator error. This EV is the first and only one I've wanted in my driveway. Still good content/entertainment you provide. 👍💯👊
I did as Fisker guy instructed...
@@bjornnyland👍 Okay. Not being in the car with you it appears as though things weren't done correctly. Didn't know you switched to hyper driving mode. Tried to zoom into the screen before I commented. Also not sure that boost launch is designed for "on the fly" usage. 🤣😂
@@bjornnylandas said still good content/entertainment👍💯
That screen is too small.
A, nearly, 18” screen is too small?
Звук поворотника такой, как будто пират деревянной ногой болтает в дубовой бочке 😂
Sadly, a car company that will enter into history for the wrong reasons (for the second time…… but that’s Karma).
Or the third time, if Nissan buy them (but that is looking unlikely)!
Will be bugfree later this year. Same happened with Tesla in the beginning. This car is still a great EV!! ❤❤
But you might have no more development soon!!?? Very soon! But with those power consumption it will be a very expensive car in a yearly ownership!!
Who exactly do you think will be fixing the bugs, after Fisker goes bankrupt in the next 1-2 months?
This is an insult to Tesla!
What world do you live in, where bugs magically fix themselves?
@@Yggdrasil42 💀
Wondering the things MKBHD was wrong about.
Nothing. He reviewed the car as was available at the time. He is a tech & software expert. That's the core of all EVs.
@@melvinholland9656no, he is not reviewing cars. He is reviewing infotainment lol. And pretty shallow. He's a clueless idiot. Was watching some.of his reviews, dude didn't even drive some cars, i think vinfast. Wtf, total scammer and idiot. Reminds lot of LTT and that cooler drama.
Btw he's far from expert, just good marketing and youtube/ad money collector
Why even review this car
Why not?
Used car market. I'm waiting for it to fall to beater/hoopty level pricing. Then it would make a lot of sense.
Tbh even a BYD is better
What a mess. Wouldn't get one if they paid me.
So once the company goes bankrupt this car will practically become a heavy toxic brick...no matter how cheap it is..., as soon something goes wrong there will be no support or spares....,what a joke those toys cars are. Not the future for sure
The Ocean already holds the EV sector 1st calendar year production record of over 10,000 in 2023.. has 4 OEMs looking to acquire Fisker as of last week. Just the Beginning.
@@2023gainer the beginning of the end.
@@meguinness1116 FSRN up 159 % month and just starting to climb. New Dealerships opening monthly. Nearing 12,000 Ocean sales
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