@22plinker These were invented in 1971 by Lawerence Fererro (my father) ...he developed them for snakes while fishing to fire from a .38 cal pistol with an 1- 7/8 barrel using a .357 case a cardboard wad filled the remaining case with no. 9 shot another cardboard slightly crimped and covered with a drop of wax. He later found pill capsules from a veterinarian that worked. also being a mold-maker he developed the cases you now use. he submitted his idea to Speer who bought it for i believe $ 1200 after rejecting an offer of a royalty of .5 cents per shell sold.... boy has he regretted that... lol
They were for snakes, I remember in the early 80s and late 70s, they were only seen for . 22 and .38 and had a viper on the box. I've shot a many snakes growing up in Louisiana!
Great idea & one of my favorite types of ammo. Always called them snake loads because they were far superior to anything else for that purpose. They greatly improved my success rate when they first came out. Unfortunately for the snakes. 👍
The reason the smaller the barrel makes the shot more accurate is because shooting birdshot/buckshot out of a rifled barrel causes the spread to be larger because the spin the rifling puts on the shot, this is why most shotguns have smooth bore barrels. So the shorter the barrel, the less spin it can put on the shot, the more accurate it becomes.
I love that he cares enough to use proper terminology went thru the effort to correct bullets to shot thru editing and speaking, and he actually said venomous snake instead of poisonous. Why does this video have so many dislikes??
People see through Plinksters efforts to please our overseers, who don't approve of these shot shells for shooting deadly attackers in the face. Everything else about the video was OK even very informative.
Back in 1980 when I began reloading, I was buying the CCI shot capsules and loading my own shot cartridges for .38 Special and .44 Special. I experimented a little and found that number 6 shot worked best for me. It gave decent penetration and pattern density. Good enough for soda cans tossed into the air. Shot cartridges in handguns have never been good for much, but they are fun to shoot.
The reason for the better pattern with the increasingly shorter barrel is the lack of rifling. Rifling is great for stabilizing a bullet or slug because of the centrifugal force it creates. However, with any shot, the centrifugal force causes the shot to scatter outwardly as soon as it leaves the barrel.
Excellent video! It's rare to actually come across shooting related videos that actually answers a question I had. I've always wondered what kind of patterns those types of cartridges would make at different distances and you covered it. Thanks!
i think the COP did best because when you shoot shot out of a rifled barrel the pattern spins and gets wider so the shorter barrel spun the shot less which caused a narrower pattern.
Some observations based on my experiences... and lots of reading! The rate of spin of the bullet/shot capsule is a function of the rate of twist of the rifling not barrel length. For example, a rate of twist of 1:18 would result in the bullet rotating once in 18" of travel regardless of whether the barrel was 2.5" long or 24" long. It would be interesting to know the rate of twist for the three guns... but I suspect they are not significantly different. In the the case of the COP, if it is anything like the one I have, the rifling is so shallow and the bore so loose that it doesn't stabilize jacketed bullets--keyholing on targets is the norm. It is possible the COP is barely breaking up the capsule and is not spinning the capsule as fast as the rifling would suggest, i.e., the capsule is stripping through the rifling. Bullets recovered from the COP I have show that jacketed bullets were not fully engaged by the rifling and the faint grooves left in the bullet were smeared. Velocity is probably the biggest variable here. The velocity out of the COP is likely significantly slower than that of the 6" revolver or rifle. As such even if the rate of twist was the same for all the guns the rotational velocity (a function of rate of twist and projectile velocity) for the shorter barrelled gun would be slower and thus would not disperse the shot as quickly via centrifugal force. For more on the theories see a quick summary I Googled up at www.schuemann.com/Portals/0/Documentation/Webfile_Barrel%20Twist%20Rate.pdf
Give this guy credit. He is showing us something I did not think would happen. that COP pistol is an amazing shooter. with this new CCI ammo. I don't live in snake counrty but I can still use this ammo in my home state against larger pests. Thank for your efforts .22 plinkster.
When I ran a trap line in college (Idaho), I only ever carried a .22 with me. Headshots and the guns don't weigh much, ammo cost nothing (back in the 1980s).
The shorter barrel is more accurate with shot. The shot is pushed from the shell and gradually spreads in travel. The longer the barrel; the more of the shot ricochet's off of the barrel leaving the muzzle at various angels. If there were no barrel the shot would push forward with minimum spread right from the shell.
Good video. The results with the COP are interesting. The gun seems to have been almost universally disliked when it was in production 40 years ago - heavy, bulky, high effort trigger pull, inaccurate with ball ammo, etc.... And yet the shot shell tests show that it can produce a pretty tight pattern within 15 feet. With 4 barrels, I could see using a mix of ammo, ranging from less lethal to more so. Would just need to identify the initial firing barrel.
4:00 You're are absolutely right . I knew it in advance, before the results, but it's nice to watch the theory in practice, good video. The longer the rifling is, the wider pattern. A smoothbore barrel would be better and the results would be the opposite, the longer barrel the tighter pattern as long as there is not any choke involved.
My grandpa used to load his 38 special with bird shot for critters that maybe trying to get at the feed stock and fowl... like, chickens, eggs and ducks and hogs too, and any would be trespassers back on the farm in the early 70's. It reminds me of foghorn Leghorn. lol He also had a special something called salt shot. Now, I never seen any of those rounds in action, but he proclaimed it to be the best hippy potion on the hill. Old pappy didn't play games when it came to his hill farm spread. Including the vegetable garden. The good old days. great times, fun times.
@@clotz1820 it can but requires good shot placement just like this does. If you hit a snake and dont kill it its gonna just keep striking cause its kinda out of options
@Travis Thacker.... Nice imagination, copperheads only grow to about 6', one of the least poisonous snakes in N. America. You surely must be from an urban area somewhere. Give me a .410 with 6 shot and I'll kill all the snakes you want or .22 LR.
Glad to see CCI has finally come out with a shot load that is worthy of the companies name. I loaded shot in .357 mag & 44 mag for years. It is some of the best home defense loadings you could ever ask for. 1 or more shots into the groin & up, the perp is no longer interested in what you have. The upside of all that do not completely penetrate, someone has to go have whatever enter them removed, lead poison is not pleasant. Got ya sucker, no matter what you did to me. As usual, great video.
Exactly correct about rifling. The rifling flings the shot outwards from center, so the more rifling the more spread. If all had been smooth bore it would have worked like you expected.
Main reason to explain why the COP performed so well is that the rifling grooves in the barrel spread out the pattern far far more than if it was smoothbore. Since the barrel length is short with little to no rifling, The Pellets don't spread and remain fairly consistent in spread. These shotshells would make a COP a damn decent 4 shot defense gun.
I make my own by pulling the bullet, adding the shot, and using a little silicone to seal the end. Turned an old Enfield 303 with a shot out barrel into a 410 snake gun using that method.
technically all shots in this video were taken at point blank range. Point blank range is any range over which the bullet maintains a flat trajectory. For most firearms this is hundreds of feet
Incognito Joe its called birdshot these shells suck. Shotgun birdshot will blow a 5 inch hole through a piece of plywood. You would be better off some 22 then this.
I appreciate your testing. As is said around here “It is what it is.” You did the test & whatever the viewers take from it is for their knowledge. Let’s not blame the messenger. I now know what these cartridges will do and can choose to use them or not.
This ammo has a plastic cover and it stays together better in a short barrel. The longer barrels twist the plastic apart and the group starts to separate. Really exactly what I expected.
I’ve got some of those but haven’t used them yet. Thank you for the info! I couldn’t find any shot shells for over a year so I’m glad they are starting to be available again.
The shorter the barrel, the better. I presume it is because the rifling twist the group of pellets inside the pipe better with longer barrels, and is good with slugs but not with pellets, because you make the pattern more wider as you give the pellets more "circular force" and it gives it more aceleration, wich disperses the individual balls of lead
Shorter barrel also means lower velocity. The rifle allowed gas to build up behind the shot so once it left the barrel it was at a higher velocity, his pen test shows this.
Just watched this again. I have a fair amount of experience with CCI and Federal .22 LR shot shells, but only a little with.38/357. Up to 6-7 feet I have been AMAZED at how well the .22 LR shot shells work on our small prairie rattlers... turns their lights OUT! almost NO wiggle and no mouth movement (merely a bit of tail twitch). Works far better than cutting their heads off with a shovel. I'm hoping to get some more experience with the .38 / 44 in the #4 shot configuration, but I'm sure it will be totally deadly up to 10 feet. (So far all the shot shells I've fired from a revolver have averaged a spread of one inch per foot of distance.) Great vid! I went out and bought some of the #4!
I was interested in getting one of those COP derringers... then I saw the price. +$1200??? Do elves make them or something? Discontinued or not that's crazy imo.
Most people who bought them realy Liked them, so once you add in the small number of guns produced in the first place, it drives the pricing up on them, even used. I had one in my hand and didnt get it, i've been kicking myself ever since
I remember when they came on the market late 70s or early 80s. Looked like a great concealed carry gun until I actually handled one. Them buggers are heavy and bulky for CC.
I've been making my own rat shot with all kinds of different shot sizes for at least 20 years. It's very easy to do and it costs literally pennies and spent casings of whatever caliber you want to use. I should have patented the idea years ago.
Hmm... one good reason to keep watching this channel: Better weapon handling safety (for example, finger out of the well until firing) than certain other channels.
I couldn't see your hearing protection but I'm glad to know that you wear something that works. Enjoy your videos and remember my .22LR days with great fondness.
robert tyree, you will be missing out on a top marksman with great reviews. All targets are revealed at 10 mins. There is a reason he has near 600,000 subscribers and millions of views.
Hey dude, thanks for showing the varying distances as well as the variance of guns shooting it. I'm in an apartment & after seeing this, I feel like first round or 2 in my 38 revolver then the rest as normal bullets would be a good way to go to hurt but not immediately worry about wall penetration.
I really was going to comment about you "not" wearing hearing protection, but I saw that they were hidden. Thank You for telling people about Hearing Protection. I have tinnitus because of hunting with my .44Mag. The ringing never stops.
I have loaded 7 1/2 size shot in my 44 mag. I use cardboard sheet from a Coke box sealed with hot glue. The cardboard goes under the shot and on top of the shot. They work great on snakes, on my property, here in Tennessee. From my 7.5 inch barrel Blackhawk, they work great at 10 to 12 feet.
This gives me a good idea of what i can expect with my 3 inch Ruger GP100 .357; I bought some CCI big 4 to take out some possums that have been coming in my backyard. Thanks!
I got the opposite shot spread results using a .44 cartridge black powder pistol and rifle. The difference being no plastic shot casing in the BP loads. Two over powder wads were used over10 grains of 3FG then one overpowder wad, the #4 shot, then one or two wads over the shot. I also got your results in CCI .22 shot loads but the opposite results in a crimped non encapsulated .22 shot load. Good video!
Commenting before watching So my guess is that the henry and rugger because of longer barrel will have the worst spread because the shot has more time to spin up because of the rifling while the little 4 shot has a very short barrel so the shot might not spin as fast and therefore the spread should be the smallest. Going to watch the video and see how wrong or correct it was :P
Thank you for the video. I was able to buy a case of this cci shot shell stuff in 9mm 38cal and 45acp 12 years ago at a walmart getting rid of it. I paid under 2$ a box. I found that the 45acp is powerful enough to function in my Glock 30 without jaming, no kidding. So please make a video with that ammo if you would like. Also comment on the difference of the Glock barrel perhaps having a better effect on the grouping. I think it does. God Bless you and your family.
I used to use the 22 mag version for destroying wasp nests under the eaves of my house. The shot pattern was about 6" at 10'. Didn't penetrate the wood, just shot blasted the paint and pulverized the wasps and nest. I wouldn't recommend it for vinyl siding or soffit though.
Man, I don't like all the hate he is getting! He is great, I would never promote someone loosing subscribers, but if you don't like it leave! I think he is very informative, does great things, and Love his channel! Haters going to hate! (loosers)
It's weird that US law means you cant generally buy a smooth bore pistol. A deringer 410 smooth bore would be perfect for humane dispatch and many other tasks when out hunting. You could use slugs if required and the pattern would be so much better with shot.
I know that some of the larger calibre Derringers, like .45/70 and .45LC can chamber .410 shotshells. I'm not sure if both can, but I'm pretty certain the 45LC can.
I believe the Taurus Judge series of .410/.45 Colt revolver families have the minimum amount of rifling to meet the standards of NFA 1934 to not be considered a 'smooth bore handgun' and, from what I have heard, this causes accuracy to suffer when shooting .45 Colt rounds with bullets. But who cares? The whole idea was a devastating, closer range, self defense weapon, not a target pistol.
The rifling makes the pellets spin outward.The shorter the rifled barrel, the tighter.You are one of the few u-tube people that know the difference between pistols & revolvers.
Thompson Center Contender has a barrel in 357mag and 44mag, and they also used to make the shot shells for it. The barrel is rifled and can shoot regular ammo, but it has a thread on adapter for the shot shells. The adapter stops the rotation of the shot before it leaves the barrel. It also appears to act as a choke to tighten the pattern. It would be easy enough to thread a 357 barrel and put the adapter on it. I have a few of these barrels and adapters. It is good to know that someone is making 357 shot shells again. I wonder if the 357 shot shells are WAY overpriced, like the CCI .22 shot shells are?
Looking at this a second time, 3/4 inch what? Pine? Oak? Birch? Maple? That is going to make just as much of a difference as the thickness. Looks like 3/4 inch pine, but it's Christmas and I couldn't claim to be anywhere near sober...so I could be wrong. 😁
I have some for my snub nosed 38. I got a 3 inch pattern at 3 feet killing rats. Works fantastic for what it is designed to do. (kinda loud in the house though)
I just got some CCI for my Blackhawk. I remember when my dad spoke of obliterating a giant spider on our basement wall with a shot shell. Best price I could find was on GunBroker a buck each or 89 cents each in a 100 pack. This is what I got: CCI 357 Magnum Shotshell Pest Control 9 Shot 3738
Love the videos, great job and thank you for all of the work. I have another gun review channel i used to watch but the guy is so popular his opinions aren't grounded at all. When i watch your videos i feel like its a little more on my level, 35 years old and don't think ill ever buy a 4000 dollar 1911 let alone several.
Yeah Joe bought RJF and had to move the company just down the street and changed the company name to avoid badpress from the Fallout of the Legal troubles from the old owner...
I use shotshells in my 45 long colt. I call them waker rounds. when your just waking up and need to shoot a single bullet will more than likely miss the intruder, but I figure a few pellets on the ear and nose area will slow them down. only first two rounds pelletized after that full on metal jacket hollow points .
Holy moly! I have a COP.. you rarely see one. The way you tell which barrel will fire is... it has 4 firing pins and they rotate in a clockwise manner. you can tell which one just fired it sticks out a tad... I load and shoot 44 mag/special shot caps for rattlesnakes.. it kills em like the hammer of thor. centrifugal force spins the plastic case and spreads the pattern.
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@22plinker These were invented in 1971 by Lawerence Fererro (my father) ...he developed them for snakes while fishing to fire from a .38 cal pistol with an 1- 7/8 barrel using a .357 case a cardboard wad filled the remaining case with no. 9 shot another cardboard slightly crimped and covered with a drop of wax. He later found pill capsules from a veterinarian that worked. also being a mold-maker he developed the cases you now use. he submitted his idea to Speer who bought it for i believe $ 1200 after rejecting an offer of a royalty of .5 cents per shell sold.... boy has he regretted that... lol
Michael Fererro Thank you for sharing my dude! One of my favorite types of ammunition.
They were for snakes, I remember in the early 80s and late 70s, they were only seen for . 22 and .38 and had a viper on the box. I've shot a many snakes growing up in Louisiana!
Great idea & one of my favorite types of ammo. Always called them snake loads because they were far superior to anything else for that purpose. They greatly improved my success rate when they first came out. Unfortunately for the snakes. 👍
That’s awesoke
Good story! Thanks for sharing! 😀👍
The reason the smaller the barrel makes the shot more accurate is because shooting birdshot/buckshot out of a rifled barrel causes the spread to be larger because the spin the rifling puts on the shot, this is why most shotguns have smooth bore barrels. So the shorter the barrel, the less spin it can put on the shot, the more accurate it becomes.
I love that he cares enough to use proper terminology went thru the effort to correct bullets to shot thru editing and speaking, and he actually said venomous snake instead of poisonous.
Why does this video have so many dislikes??
My guess is the lack of securing that weapon. He flagged the camera, still held it while handling the wood. Wow.
People see through Plinksters efforts to please our overseers, who don't approve of these shot shells for shooting deadly attackers in the face. Everything else about the video was OK even very informative.
I love the fact that this guy doesn't take himself to seriously: "you didn't think a Tennessee boy could actually count to 17". Great review
I half-thought that was a joke about statutory lol
Back in 1980 when I began reloading, I was buying the CCI shot capsules and loading my own shot cartridges for .38 Special and .44 Special. I experimented a little and found that number 6 shot worked best for me. It gave decent penetration and pattern density. Good enough for soda cans tossed into the air. Shot cartridges in handguns have never been good for much, but they are fun to shoot.
The reason for the better pattern with the increasingly shorter barrel is the lack of rifling. Rifling is great for stabilizing a bullet or slug because of the centrifugal force it creates. However, with any shot, the centrifugal force causes the shot to scatter outwardly as soon as it leaves the barrel.
Excellent video! It's rare to actually come across shooting related videos that actually answers a question I had. I've always wondered what kind of patterns those types of cartridges would make at different distances and you covered it. Thanks!
In deed! Only wish he had mentioned how many projectiles per shell.
You get 10 feet from a squirrel, you don't need a firearm. You're a dang ninja!
Go to New York and the squirrels come to you
@@BoredAmerican Discharge a weapon in New York and the cops will come to you too
i think the COP did best because when you shoot shot out of a rifled barrel the pattern spins and gets wider so the shorter barrel spun the shot less which caused a narrower pattern.
You are correct
Which is exactly what he said in the video....
I'm shocked he didnt know that at first.
Yes,that is reason why shotguns have smoothbore barrels.
Some observations based on my experiences... and lots of reading!
The rate of spin of the bullet/shot capsule is a function of the rate of twist of the rifling not barrel length. For example, a rate of twist of 1:18 would result in the bullet rotating once in 18" of travel regardless of whether the barrel was 2.5" long or 24" long. It would be interesting to know the rate of twist for the three guns... but I suspect they are not significantly different.
In the the case of the COP, if it is anything like the one I have, the rifling is so shallow and the bore so loose that it doesn't stabilize jacketed bullets--keyholing on targets is the norm. It is possible the COP is barely breaking up the capsule and is not spinning the capsule as fast as the rifling would suggest, i.e., the capsule is stripping through the rifling. Bullets recovered from the COP I have show that jacketed bullets were not fully engaged by the rifling and the faint grooves left in the bullet were smeared.
Velocity is probably the biggest variable here. The velocity out of the COP is likely significantly slower than that of the 6" revolver or rifle. As such even if the rate of twist was the same for all the guns the rotational velocity (a function of rate of twist and projectile velocity) for the shorter barrelled gun would be slower and thus would not disperse the shot as quickly via centrifugal force.
For more on the theories see a quick summary I Googled up at www.schuemann.com/Portals/0/Documentation/Webfile_Barrel%20Twist%20Rate.pdf
Give this guy credit. He is showing us something I did not think would happen. that COP pistol is an amazing shooter. with this new CCI ammo. I don't live in snake counrty but I can still use this ammo in my home state against larger pests. Thank for your efforts .22 plinkster.
Really really interesting to see the different barrel lengths and how they affected the results. Thanks brother.
He says "wow" as often as Owen Wilson.
He does
Wow
Wow, you are more observant than I. :)
When I ran a trap line in college (Idaho), I only ever carried a .22 with me. Headshots and the guns don't weigh much, ammo cost nothing (back in the 1980s).
"We need a dispenser, here!"
*scout pushes engie to a cliff*
I knew I wasn’t the only one who plays tf2 and watches gun videos
Irl shortstop
Scout primary
pootis pencer here
5:18
Did anyone else see the bb fly by the camera too? Lol
Yes, yes I did. That’s why we wear PPE with our guns. 😉🖖🏼
I Think there maybe another at 8:06 when he shoots the Ruger at the plywood
DMC Tinytank yeah I saw it
@Josh Frank shot cup
Yea saw it... Like oh crap duck 😆
Great tests! Very useful! I would be interested in the ricochet problem at 5 feet, especially into rocky soil. Don't hurt yourself!
The shorter barrel is more accurate with shot.
The shot is pushed from the shell and gradually spreads in travel.
The longer the barrel; the more of the shot ricochet's off of the barrel leaving the muzzle at various angels.
If there were no barrel the shot would push forward with minimum spread right from the shell.
Good video. The results with the COP are interesting. The gun seems to have been almost universally disliked when it was in production 40 years ago - heavy, bulky, high effort trigger pull, inaccurate with ball ammo, etc.... And yet the shot shell tests show that it can produce a pretty tight pattern within 15 feet. With 4 barrels, I could see using a mix of ammo, ranging from less lethal to more so. Would just need to identify the initial firing barrel.
I've been watching your vids for 3 or 4 years - great stuff and very practical. Thanks for your work and your great attitude!
Thinking about these rounds for my 38 snubby as a carry round for Rattlers on my fishing trips. Looks perfect for me. Great video. Thanks.
4:00 You're are absolutely right . I knew it in advance, before the results, but it's nice to watch the theory in practice, good video. The longer the rifling is, the wider pattern. A smoothbore barrel would be better and the results would be the opposite, the longer barrel the tighter pattern as long as there is not any choke involved.
My grandpa used to load his 38 special with bird shot for critters that maybe trying to get at the feed stock and fowl... like, chickens, eggs and ducks and hogs too, and any would be trespassers back on the farm in the early 70's. It reminds me of foghorn Leghorn. lol He also had a special something called salt shot. Now, I never seen any of those rounds in action,
but he proclaimed it to be the best hippy potion on the hill. Old pappy didn't play games when it came to his hill farm spread. Including the vegetable garden. The good old days. great times, fun times.
They used to be called "Now you've pissed off the snake"!
You are type of guy to say 22 cant kill...
@@clotz1820 it can but requires good shot placement just like this does. If you hit a snake and dont kill it its gonna just keep striking cause its kinda out of options
@Travis Thacker... What, I've killed plenty of snakes with .22 S/L/LR and shot shells in Louisiana growing up. It's called knowing how to shoot!
@Travis Thacker.... Nice imagination, copperheads only grow to about 6', one of the least poisonous snakes in N. America. You surely must be from an urban area somewhere. Give me a .410 with 6 shot and I'll kill all the snakes you want or .22 LR.
@Travis Thacker... I grew up in Louisiana, trust me I know snakes, especially cotton mouths!
This is an absolute cool gun I have never seen anything like it never ceases to amaze me the new types of weapons out there
Glad to see CCI has finally come out with a shot load that is worthy of the companies name. I loaded shot in .357 mag & 44 mag for years. It is some of the best home defense loadings you could ever ask for. 1 or more shots into the groin & up, the perp is no longer interested in what you have. The upside of all that do not completely penetrate, someone has to go have whatever enter them removed, lead poison is not pleasant. Got ya sucker, no matter what you did to me. As usual, great video.
Exactly correct about rifling. The rifling flings the shot outwards from center, so the more rifling the more spread. If all had been smooth bore it would have worked like you expected.
I've always wanted one of those little COP's. They're just cool.
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Main reason to explain why the COP performed so well is that the rifling grooves in the barrel spread out the pattern far far more than if it was smoothbore. Since the barrel length is short with little to no rifling, The Pellets don't spread and remain fairly consistent in spread. These shotshells would make a COP a damn decent 4 shot defense gun.
5:15 Glad I was wearing my eye protection. Bout took my eye out with what I'm assuming was a .357 cal shot cup.
The number 12 shot was put in the .22 and 9mm shot capsules the larger calibers all have #9 shot in them, so now for some calibers they offer #4.
"Topper right"! I love that.
great video man
I make my own by pulling the bullet, adding the shot, and using a little silicone to seal the end.
Turned an old Enfield 303 with a shot out barrel into a 410 snake gun using that method.
Five feet from the target plus plinkster's five foot reach makes it point blank right?
hahaha
Does it kickback a lot?
lol 5' reach? that would make him around 12' tall
technically all shots in this video were taken at point blank range. Point blank range is any range over which the bullet maintains a flat trajectory. For most firearms this is hundreds of feet
Is the correct answer (apart from the hundreds of feet)
Your videos are USUALLY well made , I enjoy them , keeps me from having to test myself !
Man, CCI should make some of these but for a shotgun! That’d be crazy!
Incognito Joe its called birdshot these shells suck. Shotgun birdshot will blow a 5 inch hole through a piece of plywood. You would be better off some 22 then this.
Huh?
I read a lotta negative criticism in the comments, but you showed exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks.
I'm more impressed how that table is still standing lol
I appreciate your testing. As is said around here “It is what it is.” You did the test & whatever the viewers take from it is for their knowledge. Let’s not blame the messenger. I now know what these cartridges will do and can choose to use them or not.
This ammo has a plastic cover and it stays together better in a short barrel. The longer barrels twist the plastic apart and the group starts to separate. Really exactly what I expected.
I’ve got some of those but haven’t used them yet. Thank you for the info! I couldn’t find any shot shells for over a year so I’m glad they are starting to be available again.
The shorter the barrel, the better. I presume it is because the rifling twist the group of pellets inside the pipe better with longer barrels, and is good with slugs but not with pellets, because you make the pattern more wider as you give the pellets more "circular force" and it gives it more aceleration, wich disperses the individual balls of lead
After I wrote this, you explained why shoreter barrels made better groups
Shorter barrel also means lower velocity. The rifle allowed gas to build up behind the shot so once it left the barrel it was at a higher velocity, his pen test shows this.
By circular force, you mean centrifugal force.
***** Yes.
I believe you mean centripetal force
Just watched this again. I have a fair amount of experience with CCI and Federal .22 LR shot shells, but only a little with.38/357. Up to 6-7 feet I have been AMAZED at how well the .22 LR shot shells work on our small prairie rattlers... turns their lights OUT! almost NO wiggle and no mouth movement (merely a bit of tail twitch). Works far better than cutting their heads off with a shovel. I'm hoping to get some more experience with the .38 / 44 in the #4 shot configuration, but I'm sure it will be totally deadly up to 10 feet. (So far all the shot shells I've fired from a revolver have averaged a spread of one inch per foot of distance.) Great vid! I went out and bought some of the #4!
I was interested in getting one of those COP derringers... then I saw the price. +$1200??? Do elves make them or something? Discontinued or not that's crazy imo.
An alternative is one of the Bond or other O/U derringers or a snub revolver.
Most people who bought them realy Liked them, so once you add in the small number of guns produced in the first place, it drives the pricing up on them, even used. I had one in my hand and didnt get it, i've been kicking myself ever since
I remember when they came on the market late 70s or early 80s. Looked like a great concealed carry gun until I actually handled one. Them buggers are heavy and bulky for CC.
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I have the 1 inch barrel snub nose 5 shot revolver. It's very easy to conceal and weighs under 10 ounces.
I've been making my own rat shot with all kinds of different shot sizes for at least 20 years. It's very easy to do and it costs literally pennies and spent casings of whatever caliber you want to use. I should have patented the idea years ago.
scout just called, he wants his shortstop back
Hmm... one good reason to keep watching this channel: Better weapon handling safety (for example, finger out of the well until firing) than certain other channels.
May want to use different targets and show the shot patterns after each shot. Oh by the way. WOW!
I couldn't see your hearing protection but I'm glad to know that you wear something that works. Enjoy your videos and remember my .22LR days with great fondness.
If your doing a sot pattern why are you not showing the patter after each shot
Wasted my time watching for a look at the shot pattern. I will not subscribe, and I will give you a big thumbs down.
robert tyree, you will be missing out on a top marksman with great reviews. All targets are revealed at 10 mins. There is a reason he has near 600,000 subscribers and millions of views.
Alan Frizzell he could take some tips from Paul Harrell though for sure.
robert tyree your loss....move on and take your negative comments elsewhere.....you won’t be missed here 👋
Hey dude, thanks for showing the varying distances as well as the variance of guns shooting it. I'm in an apartment & after seeing this, I feel like first round or 2 in my 38 revolver then the rest as normal bullets would be a good way to go to hurt but not immediately worry about wall penetration.
You have almost two million views.Many by people who have not done anything but criticise.This is a shame,I really liked your testing.Thanks.
I really was going to comment about you "not" wearing hearing protection, but I saw that they were hidden. Thank You for telling people about Hearing Protection. I have tinnitus because of hunting with my .44Mag. The ringing never stops.
the COP is literally the shortstop from tf2 lol
thought the same thing lol.
what did you expect? he IS the scout. You didn't see his other .22 videos with his regular handgun? plus the cap? plus the nose?
Other way around, the COP has been around for a while now.
+GreenGiant622 But the thing shooting shotshells makes it the exact configuration that is used in the game. Which is pretty funny for us gamers.
Dominick Lembo But the thing used in the game came after the COP, so GreenGiant662 is correct about Dr.Tibbles being wrong.
I have loaded 7 1/2 size shot in my 44 mag. I use cardboard sheet from a Coke box sealed with hot glue. The cardboard goes under the shot and on top of the shot. They work great on snakes, on my property, here in Tennessee.
From my 7.5 inch barrel Blackhawk, they work great at 10 to 12 feet.
Here's the summary:
Bang...."wow!"
Bang...."wow!"
Bang...."wow!"
Bang...."wow!"
Ho hum.
So, was it good fer you?
I guess this isn't one for the impatient
it is enoying ye,
Noah jackson
Sham Wow
Just the good ole boys never meaning no harm. Lol. Well done. I freaking love this dude.
yeah thats just a real life short stop
I WAS LOOKIN FOR THIS COMMENT
When you test shot shells it always reminds me of your blasting those bees on your porch with your 22 at home. Great way to spend an afternoon.
anyone else having tf2 scout flashbacks
Yes
No
YES
My favorite gun in the game. Very versatile.
No
This gives me a good idea of what i can expect with my 3 inch Ruger GP100 .357; I bought some CCI big 4 to take out some possums that have been coming in my backyard. Thanks!
Could you test them on carpenter bee's. I've used the 22 shot for this and they work well, but I bet that big boy load would even better
I got the opposite shot spread results using a .44 cartridge black powder pistol and rifle. The difference being no plastic shot casing in the BP loads. Two over powder wads were used over10 grains of 3FG then one overpowder wad, the #4 shot, then one or two wads over the shot.
I also got your results in CCI .22 shot loads but the opposite results in a crimped non encapsulated .22 shot load.
Good video!
Hey Plinkster, you keep those videos coming bud, all the haters are ganna hate!!!! I love your videos! God Bless!
Very good video! I have been meaning to get some shot shells to have around for snakes, and I'm going to try some CCI . Thanks for the test results!
Commenting before watching
So my guess is that the henry and rugger because of longer barrel will have the worst spread because the shot has more time to spin up because of the rifling while the little 4 shot has a very short barrel so the shot might not spin as fast and therefore the spread should be the smallest.
Going to watch the video and see how wrong or correct it was :P
Good guess.
Anyone who's seen a Public Defender perform knows this.
Kente Van Horn i guessed this because i knew if you shoot shot from a rifled 12gauge the spread is crazy
Thank you for the video. I was able to buy a case of this cci shot shell stuff in 9mm 38cal and 45acp 12 years ago at a walmart getting rid of it. I paid under 2$ a box. I found that the 45acp is powerful enough to function in my Glock 30 without jaming, no kidding. So please make a video with that ammo if you would like. Also comment on the difference of the Glock barrel perhaps having a better effect on the grouping. I think it does. God Bless you and your family.
5:14 anyone else see that shot bounce back towards the camera?
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Luck - 11
was either a shot cup or wad.
Thanks for this valuable info. Didn’t know these would perform so well.
nobody noticed the wad fly under his arm @ 5:15 ?
Yep!
The one @ 8:05 hits him in the glasses
Orson in charge was scrolling three comments to see if anyone else noticed.
Lmao
@@ITpanda Plenty of folks noticed and a few idiots commented, what did you expect that the wad would magically disappear? It has to go somewhere.
I used to use the 22 mag version for destroying wasp nests under the eaves of my house. The shot pattern was about 6" at 10'. Didn't penetrate the wood, just shot blasted the paint and pulverized the wasps and nest. I wouldn't recommend it for vinyl siding or soffit though.
"Blablablabla.. Bang.. Wow"
SkyRules *repeat*
Why my fan won't come on ,on my ford ka 1.3
Micky Payne ITS A FORD it says it itself. JUNK
That C-ops Gamer 12 Ford is actually a good car
@@senslezz7238 Another car snob who has NO clue!
Look how much of a circle that Blackhawk made at close range... it definitely smacks of rifling effect in a very cool way
Man, I don't like all the hate he is getting! He is great, I would never promote someone loosing subscribers, but if you don't like it leave! I think he is very informative, does great things, and Love his channel! Haters going to hate! (loosers)
I like seeing the patterns being made ...
I would imagine technically the cop is a derringer
Anthony Williams some play a little hunt showdown lol
Old term was pepperbox for a four shot handgun.
cci has been making these shot shells since the 1980s . I used them for home defense when i was in highschool
It's weird that US law means you cant generally buy a smooth bore pistol. A deringer 410 smooth bore would be perfect for humane dispatch and many other tasks when out hunting. You could use slugs if required and the pattern would be so much better with shot.
I know that some of the larger calibre Derringers, like .45/70 and .45LC can chamber .410 shotshells. I'm not sure if both can, but I'm pretty certain the 45LC can.
Sean Kelly Yeah I think they can but the rifling screws them up firing shot.
They have short barrels like the COP here. Would be similar, I guess.
I suspect that the shell length with such a short barrel would mean that the actual length of rifling engaged is rather minimal.
I believe the Taurus Judge series of .410/.45 Colt revolver families have the minimum amount of rifling to meet the standards of NFA 1934 to not be considered a 'smooth bore handgun' and, from what I have heard, this causes accuracy to suffer when shooting .45 Colt rounds with bullets. But who cares? The whole idea was a devastating, closer range, self defense weapon, not a target pistol.
The rifling makes the pellets spin outward.The shorter the rifled barrel, the tighter.You are one of the few u-tube people that know the difference between pistols & revolvers.
At near 5:07 was that a ricochet or just debris? Great video review.
It happened directly at 5:15.
It was the wad/cup, same happened at 8:07
+Dustin Hinds I seen that but I didn't know what it was
+Devin Fuller it was the plastic wad/cup that separates the lead shot from the powder just like a normal shotgun shell.
+Dustin Hinds OK thanks. Good point. Good to always wear eye protection. Thanks.
Thompson Center Contender has a barrel in 357mag and 44mag, and they also used to make the shot shells for it. The barrel is rifled and can shoot regular ammo, but it has a thread on adapter for the shot shells. The adapter stops the rotation of the shot before it leaves the barrel. It also appears to act as a choke to tighten the pattern. It would be easy enough to thread a 357 barrel and put the adapter on it.
I have a few of these barrels and adapters. It is good to know that someone is making 357 shot shells again. I wonder if the 357 shot shells are WAY overpriced, like the CCI .22 shot shells are?
Moral of the story. Dont use for home defense. You know people were planning on that lol.
You can use it. It would be the same as you slapping the shit out of someone...
+Arizona Nomad on a serious note, I would use these but not as a main. Any shot is better than no shot.
oh my god you're so fucking embarrassing. arizona is a shit state filled with retarded hicks
I like this shotshell. I keep em in a Bond Arms 3 inch, .38spec/357mag., as an anti car-jacking tool. Happy Holidays, Mike.
Looking at this a second time, 3/4 inch what? Pine? Oak? Birch? Maple? That is going to make just as much of a difference as the thickness. Looks like 3/4 inch pine, but it's Christmas and I couldn't claim to be anywhere near sober...so I could be wrong. 😁
I have some for my snub nosed 38. I got a 3 inch pattern at 3 feet killing rats. Works fantastic for what it is designed to do. (kinda loud in the house though)
I was ok until you mentioned hearing protection, now my tinnitis is back.
I just got some CCI for my Blackhawk. I remember when my dad spoke of obliterating a giant spider on our basement wall with a shot shell. Best price I could find was on GunBroker a buck each or 89 cents each in a 100 pack. This is what I got: CCI 357 Magnum Shotshell Pest Control 9 Shot 3738
can't see even see the pattern that the bbs make less talky more showy
Love the videos, great job and thank you for all of the work. I have another gun review channel i used to watch but the guy is so popular his opinions aren't grounded at all. When i watch your videos i feel like its a little more on my level, 35 years old and don't think ill ever buy a 4000 dollar 1911 let alone several.
try it with 1/4" plywwod with a jean jacket over it.
"is someone keeping track of my heads batted in? BOINK!"
Where can I buy that awesome shirt?
Aklys Defense sells them.
+22plinkster thank you sir
22plinkster ... Formerly known as RJF (Red Jacket Firearms)... Great guys working there.
+Brian Mccann really? I had no idea. That's cool they are still around at least a different company
Yeah Joe bought RJF and had to move the company just down the street and changed the company name to avoid badpress from the Fallout of the Legal troubles from the old owner...
The Shortstop is real at last
NOTHIN STRONGER THAN RATSHOT
it's fu wasome
I use shotshells in my 45 long colt. I call them waker rounds. when your just waking up and need to shoot a single bullet will more than likely miss the intruder, but I figure a few pellets on the ear and nose area will slow them down. only first two rounds pelletized after that full on metal jacket hollow points .
Someone take this design and make a 12ga out of it...
Scott Winfrey do you know what birdshot and buckshot shells are ? For 12 ga
Try different ranges on drones please. May be your best video ever.
02:02 looks like the tf2 shortstop
right!?
TGBToastBrot ikr thats what I was thinking haha
TGBToastBrot ikr xD
thats wat i was thinking
fuck you that s probably what most of us did.
Finally... MASHER bullets! I might try to find these at the guns shop.
The henry sounds horrible and so does the colt peacemaker the cop was not bad
Holy moly! I have a COP.. you rarely see one. The way you tell which barrel will fire is... it has 4 firing pins and they rotate in a clockwise manner. you can tell which one just fired it sticks out a tad... I load and shoot 44 mag/special shot caps for rattlesnakes.. it kills em like the hammer of thor. centrifugal force spins the plastic case and spreads the pattern.