That's also a good visual representation and you can certainly learn things from it, but the point of (actual) ballistic gel is to provide a close enough analogue of tissue *which is repeatable enough to allow for consistent testing*
While I have zero need for a .22LR as a SD round, I can not express enough how great it was seeing you take the time and go into such detail explaining why others were not getting the same results as you did. Just another reson I enjoy your videos so much.
As an author and consultant in the field of penetration mechanics, I am pleased to see that 22plinkster is the latest to document the issues that plague the use of the Clear Ballistics Gel product. There are only two factors that produce the dynamic pressure that initiates and drives projectile expansion in a terminal ballistic test medium. They are 1.) projectile velocity and 2.) density of the test medium. If the density of the test medium is not close to that of human soft tissues (1.040 ± 0.020 g/cc), then there is no way that the test medium can accurately reproduce the expansion and resultant penetration depth of a test bullet. The density of human skeletal muscle tissue is 1.057 g/cc. The density of human adipose tissue (aka: 'fat') is 0.945 g/cc The density of properly prepared and calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin at 39°F is 1.037 - 1.043 g/cc. The density of water is 0.9982 g/cc at STP. The density of Clear Ballistics Gel is 0.824 g/cc. The Clear Ballistics Gel product is between 13% and 22% less dense than human soft tissues. This is why Clear Ballistics Gel produces less dynamic pressure to initiate and drive projectile expansion. Clear Ballistics Gel produces less expansion and greater penetration than what occurs in any human soft tissue or either of the two valid accepted soft tissue simulants: 10% ordnance gelatin and water. The take-away? Clear Ballistics Gel is an inferior test medium which is incapable of producing test data that is representative of any human soft tissue or either of the two accepted human soft tissue test mediums. Nicely done, 22plinkster!
@charlesscwab… You more or less gave a perfect numerical substantiation of his explanation. A+ Sir, along with the A+ for the Video. Long live the 22LR and 22 Plinkster channel! 🇺🇸
Now he should go post that on T&Ts video comments where he tests this round and argues with 22plinkster in the comments. Most of his channel subscribers are simpletons who don't understand science. It's very obvious from the comments.
I'll have to verify this information for myself before I can take it as gospel, but this is a damned fine explanation. As a gun newbie I am constantly frustrated by all the "folksy wisdom" being passed of as fact in the community.
@@RedlinePush Yeah, if you research this you'll find that it is 100% true. Clear Ballistics Gel was a recent corporate invention that only got popular because they sent a ton of free blocks to Guntubers. Many of the morally challenged Guntubers knew Clear Ballistics Gel was inferior, but were too lazy to do it the right way and also knew that they could get popular with Clear Gel without all the hard work. It's why Paul Harrell never used it because he had integrity and wanted to show viewers the truth. I have gotten to the point where I would NEVER rely on any test results for self defense or hunting ammo that was tested in Clear Ballistics Gel. It's just a false sense of security to use those results and rely on them.
People don't know the engineering that goes into the bullet designing to make it perform to f.b.i. standards for self defense, so thank you for the time an effort you took to explain all this to enlighten the people that sneer at .22 for self defense.
I watched your original video on the uppercut first and was impressed with the expansion. I then watched other videos and was wondering why they were not getting the same results. Thanks for clearing that up.
Well I have fell on hard times wife got really sick was in the hospital for 41 days and fought thru dialysis and we sold our self defense weapons but kept our 22lr hand gun and rifle nice to know there’s ammo out there to utilize thanks for another informative video
I have been using cci 22 ammo for decades. I have had no problems with it. I use cci round nose in my little derringer. Thank for you videos. I enjoy watching them.
It's crucial to know the ins and outs of different ammunition options, and this video sheds light on the performance and reliability of CCI Uppercut rounds.
What none of the companies will tell you is that standard copper plated round nose .22lr is the best defensive round for a small .22 handgun. You dont need expansion for a .22, you want penetration and 40 grain copper plated round nose cci mini mag will do just fine.
@@immikeurnot Yea but if you train malfunction clearing and your gun can easily be cleared I think with enough training it's a viable option. Double action revolver is an option also.
@@clintmullins8670 plated bullets penetrate better than standard lead round nose bullets. They have less of a tendency to deform on bone or through heavy clothing. Lead round nose will get the job done as well but it is more easily stopped by hard objects. I shot a Remington thunderbolt at an old truck core support and it didn't go through the steel but a Remington golden bullet went straight through. Wouldn't recommend Remington .22 for a defensive gun but both of those ammo types were loaded similarly with the same weight bullet from a 4 inch barreled handgun, the only real difference being the plated vs non plated projectile.
@@clintmullins8670 the copper plate is a bit harder than plain lead, and is less apt to "catch" on anything in the loading process, especially with a semiautomatic. Also, the plating on the bullet base helps to reduce lead vaporization, that in turn builds up in the barrel and especially in compensators. Probably cleaner in suppressors, as well. I shoot a lot of CCI Tactical and CCI Minimags during competition, and have had exceptional results.
I always wished money was not involved with picking the best of any department issued item, but sadly not the case. In Ohio the state has set bid prices, that all departments can use, which is well below wholesale in most cases. Not every manufacturer is on that list. Several things take a long time to be included. Currently the Ranger +P T series and Gold Dot are the only approved Duty rounds.
This was a great video! I appreciate you educating us on the different types of ballistic gelatin on the market and how and why each is used. Very informative and also entertaining to watch! That combo is often hard to come by!
Anyone who gave you a hard time about this definitely hasn’t followed you for awhile! I’ve never gotten any bad information from you and your channel! Keep up the great work!
Can't thank you enough for this video, it explains a lot of things I have seen on youtube that didn't make since to me. For example, I saw a lead hollow point (from a .38 revolver) traveling at about 950 ft a second that didn't expand in that clear gel...same thing with a semi-jacketed hollow point that was traveling around 1200 feet per second that did not expand. I was familiar with these rounds and knew that the former only required about 725 fps to at least begin to expand and the latter 1000 fps. They weren't being critical of the rounds, I can't even remember exactly what the video was about...but I do remember thinking how odd that was. I have seen a lot of videos using clear gel where the bullets did not expand in clear gel and thought it was odd. Anyway, thanks, now I understand.
Thanks .22 Plinkster, finally someone that knows what they are doing, and I appreciate your test results, I've been subbed to your channel for some time, and gotten some good results from this hectic round, I don't often reply, but I felt like I should on this one, THX 👍 🇺🇸
last bulk buy I got was for some reasons n dropped at a Walgreens drop box. had to track it down. when I arrived to the Austin Tx Walgreens drop a total L turd w rainbow hair and patchy crappy facial hair and a bad attitude knew what it was and sprayed the whole brick box down w ammonia floor cleaner. ammonia will make ammo inert. even fumes will attack and damage primers and brass. etc. ammonia was not even allowed on my family's G shop premises where we manufactured ammo. I paid for discreet shipping box. but that damn sticker gave it away to that shotty arse employee. Needless to say I hope he's on a corner w the rest of that Austin trash holding a sign. leave people and their Actual Rights alone. Beware folks. these an queefa turds are everywhere. Also had a driver deliver to my Rural driveway. always leaving packages at the Rd. like 5 ft from pavement. nods. thermals. ammo. parts. I spoke w his overseer and as I had requested previously reinforced the Sign requirement. so the low tee guy accuses my pup of attacking him. I was of course there and watched him scream like a lil girl. swing his phone around like a maniac and pretend to be bitten. Sherrifs laughed at him and I requested he never deliver to my home again. Point being is coohmp Brothers and Sisters. COOHMP. Just moved back Rural. best decision ever. I cringe at the sight and esp the voice of a low tee.
Everyone my 2nd Modern Meat Target video +p vs +p+ goes live Saturday 4.20 at 10 am EST. I am getting VERY good correlation to OFFICIAL ORGANIC GEL 4 Layer Heavy Clothing Data and old FBI data no one else has having completed 7 tests using this method so far!
Great video! Thank you for the time and effort you put into this! I subscribed because of your determination to make sure your viewers are well informed.
Excellent video Plinkster!.....This is proof of the BIG differences in those gels. And typical of the quality and professionalism of your channel. Well done, and keep up the great work with rimfires!
Thank you for this video. I have always had complete confidence in your testing. The uppercuts seem to work very nicely. CCI should put you on their payroll if they haven’t already.
You can also stack the deck in your favor a little more by pre-filling the hollow point with Crisco and removing the air pocket. The hydrostatic shock will be more uniform and expand sooner. This works to improve the terminal performance of virtually all HP ammo, especially subsonic HP which tends to have iffy expansion.
If these undercuts penetrate more in clear gel, so should the .177 BB. You could have shot the clear gel with the BB gun to prove your words during the calibration check of the fbi gel... But you didn't, becauseit didn't matter. On a positive note, we see you finally learned how to properly operate a G44... Good job!
Dude, quit with the ignorance. Clear Ballistics Gel has NEVER been a real gel used by anyone other than lazy gun channels who used it to get popular instead of working hard to make real gel. Clear Gel has no credibility anywhere. Clear Ballistics was just great at marketing by sending tons of free blocks to channels. That's all. It's a synthetic substance that does not approximate real tissue. It's only attribute is being clear to see things. That's it.
Great video Plinkster. I guess many of us just really miss Paul already. Gelatin is good, but there's something about Paul's meat target that just feels realistic. Maybe Roy will give the meat target a try with CCI Uppercut ammo. Thank you. R, Steve
@@OntarioBearHunter your reply indicates you have a very poor understanding of this subject. The FBI spec ordnance gel replicates muscle tissue very well, almost exactly one to one. It wasn't just invented by some lab geek, or FBI agent, it was developed by very experienced US Army combat surgeons. FBI spec gel is absolutely the most proven wound ballistics test medium, validated by observational data from animal testing, and both surgery and autopsies.
@@chuckhaggard1584 The bubba's think that gel is some kind of sham, when it was proven to correlate to human tissue, in actual field shootings more than 30 years ago, and it keeps on being validated. But it's not as fun as shooting random groceries...
The irony is this ammunition still does not meet the minimum standard for FBI penetration: 12-18". I do respect the effort CCI put into this ammo though.
Correct. Nor is it intended to meet that standard. It is at the end of the day a .22lr round. BUT, for someone who simply can not handle a service round do to many factors, this is what they CAN use for self defense. It beats a sharp stick and bad language.
@@bonjovi2757 The CCI Mini Mag that has been around for eons & everybody uses. Try it. No fancy name, just proven forever to be one of if not the most dependable rimfire rds eveR.
22lr works for self defense. Thousands upon thousands of shootings have proven this. "Working" means breaking contact or saving your life. Government entities like the FBI and state cops use their weapons OFFENSIVELY. Therefore I take all these gel tests with a grain of salt.
Due to there being so much deception, misinformation and outright lies perpetrated on the internet, skepticism has become the default setting for many people on anything they see online. Kudos to you for taking the time and making the effort to detail the differences in the testing methods and materials used.
Likewise, doesn't the clear gel kind of turn color similar to the fbi one after it has been recycled a few times? That could have added to the confusion.
@@johnnykrauze sure if you get a clean shot and you know it isn't (or don't care it is) your neighbours cat. Mostly for rabbits though, the occasional fox for some people.
@jameshealy4594 isint there an overload of cats in your country? Killing all the birds. Aren't the cats hunted because of this? Just what I saw on t.v. I could be wrong. Am I wrong?
Recent subscriber. Really like this video and your logical, scientific approach. Thanks for posting it. Had crossed these off my list after seeing some of those “other” videos. Will now go get some of these for my P322.
Special, preferential treatment for 22Plinkster. They did rename "Stangers" for him for a while. He gets priority and probably unlimited quantities, being sponsored by CCI & other companies.
Thank you for the education about clear ballistic gel and Knox FBI protocol gel. I NEVER knew this or heard about any other gel before. You are a terrific educator. Blessings
Man if there is ever any doubt on anything you do with .22lr, it’s just haters trying to find something they don’t like. You sir are well experienced in the art of .22lr ballistic data through your 10+ years of testing and making videos on TH-cam. Your findings are plenty enough for me to help make an educated decision. Job well done.
Very informational! I knew about gel having to be at a proper temp... I didn't realize that there was a performance difference between "clear" gel and the FBI protocol. Thanks for educating me on the difference.
I thought your explanation in the first video was perfectly clear and understandable. I didn't realize the difference between the two gels. It makes sense. The clear gel does make great videos.
Hey Buckeye, maybe you can make excuses for being lazy and trying to get easy popularity for using a known inferior ballistic medium to test self ammo? You and all of the rest of the lazy, narcisstic guntubers who want fame and money without working hard like 22Plinkster, Paul Harrell, TNOutdoors9, etc. Instead, you get free gel blocks from Clear Ballistics and cash in on the clicks. Sorry, but it takes hard work to do the right thing. Anything else and you are misleading your viewers.
Tools and Targets tested both side by side iirc. The Punch is more consistent, doesn't expand, and actually works fabulously in 16-inch barrels cause it crushes and flattens from the velocity. From what I remember the uppercut didn't like short barrel pistols very much. it can have inconsistent penetration or expansion.
I'm glad you cleared that up. It answers questions about why some channels that use clear gel have such bad results compared to other who use the other gel that get great results from the same bullet with a Similar style and size handgun. I always wobder if it was the gel they were using. Now I know.
Great observation. He also repeatedly said that over penetration always occurs in the clear gel. He could have shot the clear gel with the BB to back this statement, but he didn't because it doesn't matter. This ammo is clearly weak on both accounts. With this small of a round, penetration is more critical for effectiveness. This video appears to be a paid for, scripted, sales, and marketing correction, designed to make logical sounding excuses to cover an obvious flaw in this overpriced, over hyped product.
@@clutchcargo1239 What you’re suggesting would be pretty fucking stupid considering you can see the penetration with your eyes. This video is about expansion and why people were not seeing it in clear ballistic gel. If the intent was to obfuscate the lack of penetration then he wouldn’t have showed it or measured it. But he did.
@@clutchcargo1239 your comment is stupid and not based on facts. Using 22lr for self defense isn't ideal, but if you're going to then using a bullet that expands reliably will improve the performance. This does that on human-like targets. Is it a great self defense round? Not really. Is it one of the best 22lr self defense rounds? Probly.
Thanks for a great informative video. Now I will buy CCI uppercut after watching all these other videos I wasn’t going to, buy! but now I will.😊 thank you very much.
So penetration about the same but will only expand in 10% gel. The actual question is will it expand in the intended target... Bodies. Guess it needs tested on the meat target. If it only expands in FBI gel then it is pointless.
Makes sense some lot numbers of orders before improving the round were out in the public in the same way Sierra improved a 9 mm 124 gr jhp but had old lots sold to the public, even 130 grain 38 special Winchester defender pdx1 not expanding and then months later videos after the round was improved expanding in Knox gel and clear ballistics
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CCI Uppercut, Federal Punch, what's next..Hornady bitchslap?👏lol
Aguila Pimp Hand. Winchester Shoryuken. Remington Dragon Fist.
Hornady Haymaker.
Where can I buy a case of BitchSlap?!? 😁
Lmao
I would buy ammo called "bitchslap" in a heartbeat lol
Its why Paul Harrell used fleece, pork ribs and oranges
That's also a good visual representation and you can certainly learn things from it, but the point of (actual) ballistic gel is to provide a close enough analogue of tissue *which is repeatable enough to allow for consistent testing*
Nooooooooo you must use gelatin!!!
Add a 4 inch chuck roast for heart but other then that the meat target is better
I was about to say, The meat target!
Paul is a legend
While I have zero need for a .22LR as a SD round, I can not express enough how great it was seeing you take the time and go into such detail explaining why others were not getting the same results as you did. Just another reson I enjoy your videos so much.
Yepp, it´s all in the details aint it? 😉
Just use punch
Some of us can't afford to stockpile larger calibers.
My wife has bad arthritis in her hands but I still want her to be able to protect herself when she is out with our kids in town.
It’s funny people are trying to justify their use for a 22lr for SD when you said you have zero use for it🤣
As an author and consultant in the field of penetration mechanics, I am pleased to see that 22plinkster is the latest to document the issues that plague the use of the Clear Ballistics Gel product.
There are only two factors that produce the dynamic pressure that initiates and drives projectile expansion in a terminal ballistic test medium. They are 1.) projectile velocity and 2.) density of the test medium. If the density of the test medium is not close to that of human soft tissues (1.040 ± 0.020 g/cc), then there is no way that the test medium can accurately reproduce the expansion and resultant penetration depth of a test bullet.
The density of human skeletal muscle tissue is 1.057 g/cc.
The density of human adipose tissue (aka: 'fat') is 0.945 g/cc
The density of properly prepared and calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin at 39°F is 1.037 - 1.043 g/cc.
The density of water is 0.9982 g/cc at STP.
The density of Clear Ballistics Gel is 0.824 g/cc.
The Clear Ballistics Gel product is between 13% and 22% less dense than human soft tissues. This is why Clear Ballistics Gel produces less dynamic pressure to initiate and drive projectile expansion. Clear Ballistics Gel produces less expansion and greater penetration than what occurs in any human soft tissue or either of the two valid accepted soft tissue simulants: 10% ordnance gelatin and water.
The take-away?
Clear Ballistics Gel is an inferior test medium which is incapable of producing test data that is representative of any human soft tissue or either of the two accepted human soft tissue test mediums.
Nicely done, 22plinkster!
@charlesscwab…
You more or less gave a perfect numerical substantiation of his explanation.
A+ Sir, along with the A+ for the Video.
Long live the 22LR and 22 Plinkster channel!
🇺🇸
Now he should go post that on T&Ts video comments where he tests this round and argues with 22plinkster in the comments. Most of his channel subscribers are simpletons who don't understand science. It's very obvious from the comments.
@@Steven-gv1ke You're describing 90% of the guntube audience......
I'll have to verify this information for myself before I can take it as gospel, but this is a damned fine explanation. As a gun newbie I am constantly frustrated by all the "folksy wisdom" being passed of as fact in the community.
@@RedlinePush Yeah, if you research this you'll find that it is 100% true. Clear Ballistics Gel was a recent corporate invention that only got popular because they sent a ton of free blocks to Guntubers. Many of the morally challenged Guntubers knew Clear Ballistics Gel was inferior, but were too lazy to do it the right way and also knew that they could get popular with Clear Gel without all the hard work. It's why Paul Harrell never used it because he had integrity and wanted to show viewers the truth. I have gotten to the point where I would NEVER rely on any test results for self defense or hunting ammo that was tested in Clear Ballistics Gel. It's just a false sense of security to use those results and rely on them.
People don't know the engineering that goes into the bullet designing to make it perform to f.b.i. standards for self defense, so thank you for the time an effort you took to explain all this to enlighten the people that sneer at .22 for self defense.
I watched your original video on the uppercut first and was impressed with the expansion. I then watched other videos and was wondering why they were not getting the same results. Thanks for clearing that up.
Everyone talks about power, but no one talks about accuracy. Power means nothing when you miss.
A prime candidate for the meat target !
I do believe he tested this bullet, they did expand
I miss Paul already. (anyone confused: Paul Harrell has cancer and is thought to be dying)
Great idea
Well done, I see what you served up there...
@@jeff9062 no he didn't test it
Well I have fell on hard times wife got really sick was in the hospital for 41 days and fought thru dialysis and we sold our self defense weapons but kept our 22lr hand gun and rifle nice to know there’s ammo out there to utilize thanks for another informative video
I hope she’s doing better and is on the road to recovery. God bless you and your family.
Thank you
I hope you and your wife are doing better now.
Sending Many Prayers
God bless you and your family, hope she is doing better. said a prayer for her and you ( basicly bugged God, he is probably mad at me now) .
Thank you for your integrity, and openness, and ability to teach and explain. May God bless you!
Integrity? He is employed by cci. Plinkster is a company shill.
I have been using cci 22 ammo for decades. I have had no problems with it. I use cci round nose in my little derringer. Thank for you videos. I enjoy watching them.
It's crucial to know the ins and outs of different ammunition options, and this video sheds light on the performance and reliability of CCI Uppercut rounds.
the 32gr cci stingers are still my go to. lol they have been a long time favorite of mine.
What none of the companies will tell you is that standard copper plated round nose .22lr is the best defensive round for a small .22 handgun. You dont need expansion for a .22, you want penetration and 40 grain copper plated round nose cci mini mag will do just fine.
What worries me most about the thought of using .22 LR is reliability. Even the best .22 I've fired has the occasional misfire.
@@immikeurnot Yea but if you train malfunction clearing and your gun can easily be cleared I think with enough training it's a viable option. Double action revolver is an option also.
Yea? So why the plating? What's the diff?
@@clintmullins8670 plated bullets penetrate better than standard lead round nose bullets. They have less of a tendency to deform on bone or through heavy clothing. Lead round nose will get the job done as well but it is more easily stopped by hard objects. I shot a Remington thunderbolt at an old truck core support and it didn't go through the steel but a Remington golden bullet went straight through. Wouldn't recommend Remington .22 for a defensive gun but both of those ammo types were loaded similarly with the same weight bullet from a 4 inch barreled handgun, the only real difference being the plated vs non plated projectile.
@@clintmullins8670 the copper plate is a bit harder than plain lead, and is less apt to "catch" on anything in the loading process, especially with a semiautomatic. Also, the plating on the bullet base helps to reduce lead vaporization, that in turn builds up in the barrel and especially in compensators. Probably cleaner in suppressors, as well.
I shoot a lot of CCI Tactical and CCI Minimags during competition, and have had exceptional results.
Nicely done Sir. I had to use the same argument in 1996, to get the admin to pay for correct gel while testing for new department issued sidearm.
What did y'all end up going with? Hydrashok, gold dot, HST wasn't out yet?
Black Talon, then Ranger Ext, same round minus the Teflon coating.
@@ckelley6940 gotcha
The talon series tend to fail expansion when denim is involved
I always wished money was not involved with picking the best of any department issued item, but sadly not the case. In Ohio the state has set bid prices, that all departments can use, which is well below wholesale in most cases. Not every manufacturer is on that list. Several things take a long time to be included. Currently the Ranger +P T series and Gold Dot are the only approved Duty rounds.
Outstanding sir👍🏻🥃. Thanks so much for being as thorough as you always are with all the testing you do!
This makes me rethink all of the "tests" with clear ballistic gel
As a .22 plinkster I really appreciate the thorough explanation of the different types of ballistic gel.
Thanks for the clarification! I was bummed after I saw the other tests, but this makes sense too.
Love the in-depth information and the way you explained it.
the clarity on your calibrated block of natural gelatin was fantastic
Dude, never doubted your reviews. Thanks for the clarification but not needed. Bless you and yours.
This was a great video! I appreciate you educating us on the different types of ballistic gelatin on the market and how and why each is used. Very informative and also entertaining to watch! That combo is often hard to come by!
Paul Harrell did a test on the .22 punch that is worth reviewing.
Anyone who gave you a hard time about this definitely hasn’t followed you for awhile! I’ve never gotten any bad information from you and your channel! Keep up the great work!
I'm really glad you did this video. Too many people out there testing incorrectly and spreading incorrect information about the round.
As always straight up, honest and accurate content delivered in an informative and fun manner.
Thanks
Can't thank you enough for this video, it explains a lot of things I have seen on youtube that didn't make since to me. For example, I saw a lead hollow point (from a .38 revolver) traveling at about 950 ft a second that didn't expand in that clear gel...same thing with a semi-jacketed hollow point that was traveling around 1200 feet per second that did not expand. I was familiar with these rounds and knew that the former only required about 725 fps to at least begin to expand and the latter 1000 fps. They weren't being critical of the rounds, I can't even remember exactly what the video was about...but I do remember thinking how odd that was. I have seen a lot of videos using clear gel where the bullets did not expand in clear gel and thought it was odd. Anyway, thanks, now I understand.
Thanks .22 Plinkster, finally someone that knows what they are doing, and I appreciate your test results, I've been subbed to your channel for some time, and gotten some good results from this hectic round, I don't often reply, but I felt like I should on this one, THX 👍 🇺🇸
appreciate all you do, no worries here, I know your a stand up dude, wish there were more like you
Brilliant video! Excellent clear explanation! Excellent demo! Thank you for your work, David! Great CCI product! All the best from Switzerland, Rob
CCI? ...sigh, time to order some and get a dirty look from the UPS guy again lol
Stop making the poor guy carry those 100 lb boxes up to the house twice a week! 😂😂
last bulk buy I got was for some reasons n dropped at a Walgreens drop box. had to track it down. when I arrived to the Austin Tx Walgreens drop a total L turd w rainbow hair and patchy crappy facial hair and a bad attitude knew what it was and sprayed the whole brick box down w ammonia floor cleaner. ammonia will make ammo inert. even fumes will attack and damage primers and brass. etc. ammonia was not even allowed on my family's G shop premises where we manufactured ammo. I paid for discreet shipping box. but that damn sticker gave it away to that shotty arse employee. Needless to say I hope he's on a corner w the rest of that Austin trash holding a sign. leave people and their Actual Rights alone. Beware folks. these an queefa turds are everywhere. Also had a driver deliver to my Rural driveway. always leaving packages at the Rd. like 5 ft from pavement. nods. thermals. ammo. parts. I spoke w his overseer and as I had requested previously reinforced the Sign requirement. so the low tee guy accuses my pup of attacking him. I was of course there and watched him scream like a lil girl. swing his phone around like a maniac and pretend to be bitten. Sherrifs laughed at him and I requested he never deliver to my home again. Point being is coohmp Brothers and Sisters. COOHMP. Just moved back Rural. best decision ever. I cringe at the sight and esp the voice of a low tee.
@@tomschrein417I need to be friends with you... my partner thinks I'm on a watch list for my little shipments 😂
YEA ....UPS IS WOKE !
The world needs a Paul Harrell Meat-Target analysis!
Yeah, but we don't deserve him. FBI gel is fine and more scientific. 🤓
That's even less useful than Clear Ballistics.
Everyone my 2nd Modern Meat Target video +p vs +p+ goes live Saturday 4.20 at 10 am EST. I am getting VERY good correlation to OFFICIAL ORGANIC GEL 4 Layer Heavy Clothing Data and old FBI data no one else has having completed 7 tests using this method so far!
you be the judge!
@@immikeurnot Bite your tongue!
Great video! Thank you for the time and effort you put into this! I subscribed because of your determination to make sure your viewers are well informed.
Thank you this is a great video explaining the differences of the different gels and their purpose.
The non-pedantic among us appreciate all your videos and enthusiasm for your craft. Glad that CCI is offering these now.
Thanks for professionally showing us the difference in the jells !! Good job.
Professionally is exactly correct. He was definitely paid to run the script of this CCI infomercial.
Thanks for the clear explanation. Thanks for the side by side comparison/demonstration.
Excellent video Plinkster!.....This is proof of the BIG differences in those gels. And typical of the quality and professionalism of your channel. Well done, and keep up the great work with rimfires!
YT protocol... considering their love of pew pews, they might not appreciate that one. 🤣
Thank you for this video. I have always had complete confidence in your testing. The uppercuts seem to work very nicely. CCI should put you on their payroll if they haven’t already.
Lol, you think? 😂😂😂
Well done sir. Always a pleasure watching your show.
You can also stack the deck in your favor a little more by pre-filling the hollow point with Crisco and removing the air pocket. The hydrostatic shock will be more uniform and expand sooner. This works to improve the terminal performance of virtually all HP ammo, especially subsonic HP which tends to have iffy expansion.
Great video! Thanks for the excellent explanation!
Lol😂😂Lol 😂Tools and target is going to be pissed because he is now proven wrong 😂😂
IMO, you are very professional and I appreciate the useful information that you provide.
Good job
👍
Great video and thanks for taking the time to explain yourself and the difference in the gels out there. Keep up the great content!
If these undercuts penetrate more in clear gel, so should the .177 BB. You could have shot the clear gel with the BB gun to prove your words during the calibration check of the fbi gel... But you didn't, becauseit didn't matter. On a positive note, we see you finally learned how to properly operate a G44... Good job!
Dude, quit with the ignorance. Clear Ballistics Gel has NEVER been a real gel used by anyone other than lazy gun channels who used it to get popular instead of working hard to make real gel. Clear Gel has no credibility anywhere. Clear Ballistics was just great at marketing by sending tons of free blocks to channels. That's all. It's a synthetic substance that does not approximate real tissue. It's only attribute is being clear to see things. That's it.
Great video Plinkster. I guess many of us just really miss Paul already. Gelatin is good, but there's something about Paul's meat target that just feels realistic. Maybe Roy will give the meat target a try with CCI Uppercut ammo. Thank you. R, Steve
It might feel realistic, but it's not. Feelings mean nothing.
@@chuckhaggard1584 Welllll, if you use a really realistic target expect to live the rest of your life in prison.
@chuckhaggard1584 the FBI gel isn't either and noone bothers to read what the medium and results were meant to achieve...
@@OntarioBearHunter your reply indicates you have a very poor understanding of this subject.
The FBI spec ordnance gel replicates muscle tissue very well, almost exactly one to one. It wasn't just invented by some lab geek, or FBI agent, it was developed by very experienced US Army combat surgeons. FBI spec gel is absolutely the most proven wound ballistics test medium, validated by observational data from animal testing, and both surgery and autopsies.
@@chuckhaggard1584 The bubba's think that gel is some kind of sham, when it was proven to correlate to human tissue, in actual field shootings more than 30 years ago, and it keeps on being validated. But it's not as fun as shooting random groceries...
there's a darn good reason I watch and like your videos and today's video is exceptional
Thanks for clearing that up. Really enjoy your channel
The irony is this ammunition still does not meet the minimum standard for FBI penetration: 12-18". I do respect the effort CCI put into this ammo though.
Correct. Nor is it intended to meet that standard. It is at the end of the day a .22lr round. BUT, for someone who simply can not handle a service round do to many factors, this is what they CAN use for self defense. It beats a sharp stick and bad language.
@@bonjovi2757 The CCI Mini Mag that has been around for eons & everybody uses. Try it. No fancy name, just proven forever to be one of if not the most dependable rimfire rds eveR.
Yup. I could see my wife and her arthritic hands using this.
@@bonjovi2757 Punch does a lot better and will typically meet the minimum, even if there is no expansion taking place.
22lr works for self defense. Thousands upon thousands of shootings have proven this. "Working" means breaking contact or saving your life. Government entities like the FBI and state cops use their weapons OFFENSIVELY. Therefore I take all these gel tests with a grain of salt.
Also, I noticed most of the replies from comments aren't showing. I guess the YT algorithms are at it again.
He deleting comments imo
@DinoNucci I don't think he can. The automated algorithms can and do. I'd love to know all the key words it's attracted to.
Oh no, he can DEF delete comments.
@snowdogthewolf Youre.kidding right?
@@DestindKnee of course I am... wait, wait a minute... yes... I am serious...um, what a minute....
Thank you for taking the time to explain all of the details. A+
Due to there being so much deception, misinformation and outright lies perpetrated on the internet, skepticism has become the default setting for many people on anything they see online. Kudos to you for taking the time and making the effort to detail the differences in the testing methods and materials used.
Talking about deception...this guy is paid by CCI to make them look good ..come on
Hi Plinkster, thanks for the clarification, did not know the different gel types. Awesome channel!
Likewise, doesn't the clear gel kind of turn color similar to the fbi one after it has been recycled a few times? That could have added to the confusion.
We get loads and loads of CCI rimfire here in Australia but never seen this version of 22. Great effort with the video thanks
For the cat hunting market?
You gotta look for the Down Undercut there.
Can't find it here either 🇺🇸???
@@johnnykrauze sure if you get a clean shot and you know it isn't (or don't care it is) your neighbours cat. Mostly for rabbits though, the occasional fox for some people.
@jameshealy4594 isint there an overload of cats in your country? Killing all the birds. Aren't the cats hunted because of this? Just what I saw on t.v. I could be wrong. Am I wrong?
Recent subscriber. Really like this video and your logical, scientific approach. Thanks for posting it. Had crossed these off my list after seeing some of those “other” videos. Will now go get some of these for my P322.
Love your videos Plinkster!
you have a fresh 500 round brick and I haven't seen any for sale ever. Ive been looking since Christmas when I found out about it.
because its special ammo 🤣🤣
He’s sponsored by cci
The perks of being connected.
Special, preferential treatment for 22Plinkster. They did rename "Stangers" for him for a while. He gets priority and probably unlimited quantities, being sponsored by CCI & other companies.
@@humorss Yeah it's not like target sports USA doesn't have the whole brick in stock right now🙄🙄🙄 you poors are whats wrong with the gun community
Muscle density can vary. With that round being so sensitive, would it make a difference between fatty tissue vs dense muscle. I think ill pass😂
I saw another TH-camr offer the same exact explanation. Rock on Plinkster. Nuff said.
Great job brother... Thanks for all you do for the Pew Pew community. Keep the cause going... from all of us in Auburn Hills, Michigan
When will it be back on the shelves!?!? Don’t want to shoot my “Stangers”!!!!!
A little birdie told me today, VERY SOON.
back? never seen it yet.....
@@myk7707I heard a few people got ahold of some before it was “pulled”? Could be wrong! Want some!
@@22plinksterthanks, I’ll keep an eye out! I’ll always be a stanger guy but like to try new ammo now and again!!!
Good info
This why your the subject matter expert on anything .22lr and more. Still the best firearms channel!
I'm glad you did that video cause most of the people are using the clear and I figured it wouldn't give the same results with hollow point ammo.😊
You went through a lot of effort to make your point. Very well done. Do not think I would have but this is still an A++ Video.
Thank you for the education about clear ballistic gel and Knox FBI protocol gel. I NEVER knew this or heard about any other gel before. You are a terrific educator. Blessings
Now to find some of it in stock 😂
For what?
@@razormonkey5000 Goblins and angry nope ropes
@@razormonkey5000 stuff and things 💩
Man if there is ever any doubt on anything you do with .22lr, it’s just haters trying to find something they don’t like. You sir are well experienced in the art of .22lr ballistic data through your 10+ years of testing and making videos on TH-cam. Your findings are plenty enough for me to help make an educated decision. Job well done.
Very informational! I knew about gel having to be at a proper temp... I didn't realize that there was a performance difference between "clear" gel and the FBI protocol. Thanks for educating me on the difference.
Go spend 100 bucks on steak, leather and oranges.
RoaR
Last time I did that I was asked to leave the petting zoo
Still cheaper than buying blocks of FBI Gel.
@@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76 OK, this is absolutely the best comment I've ever seen!!
Pork shoulder is 99 cents a lb. Just buy a 9 lb pork shoulder and warm it up to 98 degrees roughly.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
I gave up looking for it , now the hunt is back on. Thank you , well done.
Great video Homie. I have always carried a .22 for self defense.
Either by itself or sometimes a backup.
I don't believe the FBI for a single second.
And I don't trust them either.
I thought your explanation in the first video was perfectly clear and understandable. I didn't realize the difference between the two gels. It makes sense. The clear gel does make great videos.
Great explanation of ballistic gels and the ammunition. 10/10!
Wish CCI would’ve developed this for a concealed carry sized handgun like the ruger lcp ii or lcr.
Correct
It's for 2.5 - 4.0" barrels, the LCP is in that range (2.75").
Correct.
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Well, considering the CCI Uppercut was designed for 2.5-4” barrels…there’s not much left behind in that market.
When the competitors perform in both the clear gel *and* "fbi" (knox) gel, then this needs to also. No excuses...
Not really.
Why does it matter how it performs in clear gel? Clear gel wasn't engineered to simulate human tissue. So what useful data can it provide?
Hey Buckeye, maybe you can make excuses for being lazy and trying to get easy popularity for using a known inferior ballistic medium to test self ammo? You and all of the rest of the lazy, narcisstic guntubers who want fame and money without working hard like 22Plinkster, Paul Harrell, TNOutdoors9, etc. Instead, you get free gel blocks from Clear Ballistics and cash in on the clicks. Sorry, but it takes hard work to do the right thing. Anything else and you are misleading your viewers.
Thank you
for your patience
This was so informative and i was able to imagi e so many different people's perspectives from all the issues and arguments you said other people had.
This video and demonstration was one of the most clear, concise, and persuasive pieces of evidence that I have seen on the subject.
Thanks for doing this. I’ve been wondering if all the hype has any basis in fact.
Could you please compare the upper cut to the Federal punch? I would like to know just how they both compare to FBI standards.
Tools and Targets tested both side by side iirc. The Punch is more consistent, doesn't expand, and actually works fabulously in 16-inch barrels cause it crushes and flattens from the velocity.
From what I remember the uppercut didn't like short barrel pistols very much. it can have inconsistent penetration or expansion.
He doesn't work for Federal though
@@DinoNucci Its the same company.
@@ckbhack his checks are written by CCI
@DinoNucci wait until you figure out who owns CCI
Thank you, Dave, for a very informative video. Much appreciated. I had no idea that making FBI ballistic gel was as involved as it is ! Thanks again.
I'm glad you cleared that up. It answers questions about why some channels that use clear gel have such bad results compared to other who use the other gel that get great results from the same bullet with a Similar style and size handgun. I always wobder if it was the gel they were using. Now I know.
But isn't this insufficient penetration in both gels to meet FBI standards?
Great observation. He also repeatedly said that over penetration always occurs in the clear gel. He could have shot the clear gel with the BB to back this statement, but he didn't because it doesn't matter. This ammo is clearly weak on both accounts. With this small of a round, penetration is more critical for effectiveness. This video appears to be a paid for, scripted, sales, and marketing correction, designed to make logical sounding excuses to cover an obvious flaw in this overpriced, over hyped product.
Is anyone surprised they can't make a 22lr that performs like a 9mm?
@@clutchcargo1239 What you’re suggesting would be pretty fucking stupid considering you can see the penetration with your eyes. This video is about expansion and why people were not seeing it in clear ballistic gel.
If the intent was to obfuscate the lack of penetration then he wouldn’t have showed it or measured it. But he did.
@doctorgears9358 Lol, you're calling what I said was stupid, when you obviously don't get what my point actually is... Thank you for the laugh! 😉
@@clutchcargo1239 your comment is stupid and not based on facts. Using 22lr for self defense isn't ideal, but if you're going to then using a bullet that expands reliably will improve the performance. This does that on human-like targets. Is it a great self defense round? Not really. Is it one of the best 22lr self defense rounds? Probly.
Nice job - well done!! I learned a LOT today about gel testing ammunition...
Thanks for a great informative video. Now I will buy CCI uppercut after watching all these other videos I wasn’t going to, buy! but now I will.😊 thank you very much.
The only person defending this ammo is a paid employee of the company. Let that sink in.
Another fantastic fact filled / experienced in real world video...many thanks.
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to do it and explain it all.
So penetration about the same but will only expand in 10% gel. The actual question is will it expand in the intended target... Bodies. Guess it needs tested on the meat target. If it only expands in FBI gel then it is pointless.
Correct
I would NEVER count on expansion with any round.
@@walkingwolf8072 wrong
Fantastic video so glad you did this.
Always great videos.
Now it all makes sense, thanks for the update
Makes sense some lot numbers of orders before improving the round were out in the public in the same way Sierra improved a 9 mm 124 gr jhp but had old lots sold to the public, even 130 grain 38 special Winchester defender pdx1 not expanding and then months later videos after the round was improved expanding in Knox gel and clear ballistics
Have you tested them out of a rifle yet?
Thanks for educating me on the different gels.