Star Citizen: Should you buy the RSI Zeus Mark II?
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- 3 variants of a new ship based on a historic ship, the RSI Zeus is in concept sale now, but should you buy it? Learn more about it here!
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Were you aware you said "storage suit for lockers" in the video? Genuinely asking not making fun
As an MSR owner... I really appreciate that it has three different ways to enter/exit. If the ladder works like the Freelancer the animation makes it very secure since it closes once you are done entering or exiting. No one's going to sneak past you onto your ship.
Not entirely accurate. Someone on top of your ship can hop in as you enter/leave, but yes, it is a lot more secure than a ramp. Also, the MSR will be getting a second entrance "Soon", as stated about this time last year.
More than that I like that it has a small docking collar.
Being able to move between ships without going EVA is a huge deal
@@qdaniele97LOL none of the medium or small docking collars actually work to dock. Do you even play?
@@CHRISXTR3M3GAMING LOL what is not here today, might be here tomorrow. Do you even think forward?
Three entries, and one of these is a docking collar. I like Crusader designs, but it is impossible to enter their ships :D
Worth checking the dev posts for what Mark Gibson had to say about Spirit vs Zeus components. It looks like the Zeus is configured to a new standard that all ships will get moved to eventually.
Would you happen to have a link to this ?
With so many extra shields compared to other ships of similar size... I hope it is.
But will other ships be adjusted up or down?
I was hoping so, because if not this thing is minmaxed to the gills and the min isn't even that min, it's mostly just a lot of max.
And this feels like a good design decision, because this ship does not feel milquetoast. Like the Defender, and some of the other Alien ships, it has character, and feels like it has a little something other ships don't. If all small ships have all size 1 parts, it makes part sizes feel redundant.
The cockpit/nose of ship, looks more like a Anvil Carrack than it does RSI IMO.
Also at Citcon The dev presenting the Zeus line of ships said, the CL would have extra hull Armor and under wing thrusters for extra lift.
The Cutlass Blue also has a dampener or emp to keep you from quantum. I don't remember which, but one of them
It's the only part I don't like
It’s rehashing a few ship designs. Front is Carrack, rear half shape and plating resembles the Eclipse, overall shape from above is Galaxy, overall shape/crossection from the front looks either like Terrapin or Nomad.
The cockpit's more like the Scorpius. I noticed newer RSI stuff is going to the single sloped glass body cockpit with "mandibles" to either side. Honestly I hope they go this with the Connie because RSI needs to get over that cockpit strut fetish they had early on.
@@tetsatou2815 Agreed, the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger on the Zeus, is I have a Taurus .
If I have to be fair, the Carrack has an RSI type cockpit compare to all the other anvil ships.
Just upgraded my Freelancer Dur to the Zeus ES!
All I ever wanted was a bigger Avenger Titan with a copilot seat. Could this finally be it?
Same! Love my titan but i'd love some extra cargo space, interior, and multicrew capability
@@robopenguin5501 get a cuttie... it even has side panels !
@@wilbur218I’ve got a cuttie now, but I would like it to have some more health and some proper long range stuff like a bathroom or small kitchen so
Its nothing like an Avenger Titan lol.
I went for a CL as a daily driver, CCU'd from my nomad, it seems like an upgrade in every way.
Why the CL over the ES?
@@xekeys already own a 600i so it wouldn't have been able to compete as an explorer and I like to have loads of cargo space, making it more versatile for shorts session of game.
How much was the ccu and what was your placeholder ship??
@@orbitalpotato9940 the CCU was 70$ (store credits) and I'm not sure what you means by placeholder, if it's the loaner then at the moment it's an A1
Thanks for the video! I rolled the dice and replaced my Blue with a MR. I like RSI stuff over Drake stuff.
The component setup of the ES is what drew me in - having large fuel tanks is very attractive with locations like Pyro where distances are way greater than Stanton.
I am continually surprised that they can't put out a brochure with correct data. Does no one say 'Hey Chris we're launching this ship tomorrow, can we have someone double check the data before we ask people for money based on incorrect data?'
Mark gibson said that the components for the Zeus shown are the new standard for every ship going forward. So every ship stat is up in the air with balance now. We don’t know anything more, but for example all the cutlass could have x4 s2 shields.
@@ferenctokaparticularly with shields, and the ability to mix them to get the best of everything. An ES can have one extra fast regen, one fast, one medium, and a slow chonky boy, and have over-all shields that are both quick, and strong. Other ships would be at a pretty sigbificant disadvantage. All other things beong equal, it is a solid tie breaker.
They can't even bother to task some secretary or intern to keep the website ship matrix up to date.
@@Kyle-sr6jm if I really heard it right that there are only 28 ship designers working on SC ships, that's about 3% of their staff. If they can't even spare money to make the ships they sell, how could they ever afford such an extravagance? 😆
Thats done on purpose, gives them an out when they change it later.
The devs stated that the reason for the large cargo capacity was that the cargo will be loaded to a point that it's blocking access to components. unlike many ships were you will always have space to access you components.
Looks like the cargo hold is basically the same size as the freelancer max, just with the cargo grid going all the way to the wall. It also probably helps not having that turret access blocking some of it
@@monty58 if you wouldn´t care about the turret access, you can easily fit 12 additional SCU in the MAXes Cargo Hold and still be able to access the components.
My money for the ST goes on it being (or at least was) a STealth military ship. Extra turret, modified body, dark paint scheme, along with RSI's involvement in building ships for military service.
Also, I picked up CCUs for all three variants, because I really love the look of this ship. Space dorito fleet ftw.
I've been waiting for a Stealth military ship, that can hold at the least a Cyclone-RN .
ST means STATUS, so it's probably a luxury version
@@xvieiraxWhy do so many people say this? Was there a clue I missed?
@lystic9392 it was write STATUS in the upper left corner of the picture from the ship that was leaked
@@xvieirax Ah, nice catch.
I like the new look RSI is going with. I picked up the Marky Mark for some bounty hunting game play. The biggest draw it had on me,was that is has both the EMP and quantum dampener on it. Since I did not already have a dedicated bounty hunting ship it was an easy pick up for me. I also like the extra cargo varient one but I did not get it since I already have a MSR and will potentaly make more money when data running comes in game and you can mix both electronic cargo and physical cargo together.
The bounty hunter version is the Marque (Mark) as in "letter of marque." An old naval tradition of giving a privateer crew an "official license" for piracy against the enemies of the crown. Or in this case, bounty hunting.
Solid information and definitely appreciate the added comparisons, helped me make my decision very easy. 👍
With regards to the CL's larger cargo hold, other than the larger footprint, comparing the profiles, the roof of the rear is markedly larger, more squared and less tapered. So I imagine that feeds in to the increased capacity somewhat. I only mention it, as I haven't encountered anyone who has brought it up.
Im going to change out my DUR which i love for the Zeus ES! Thanks for the comparisons. Helps alot!
Thanks for the video. Your should you buys are often the highest quality around. Great stuff
As a FL Max owner i think i will wait to see if the gold standard pass on the Lancers wont at least even out the range difference a bit. But other than that, i am glad i already filled my concept ship budget with a Spirit. Otherwise i would have bought either the ES or the CL before the panel was over
I think they will not tune down these stats, but CIG will tune up a lot of older ships
Will be interesting to see what happens with the freelancer as it needs a full rework.
I love MISC ships, and the new ones like the HULL-A have beautiful internal design. I really hope they do cause they would become some very cool ships
I'm really excited to see how stealth mechanics will play out over the next few years with scanning being fleshed out... I bought the CL as a replacement for my Kore because I like to run cargo and smuggle but wanted something that would have just a little more space than 6 scu. Here's hoping it'll be as fast as it looks and eventually have another paint scheme than hazard tape/blue/black.
Pretty much mirrors my feelings on all these ships. Got the ES because eventual exploration game play is a goal of mine and I could never get behind the DUR. Agree that if you care more about transporting cargo than Urzas, the CL probably is the way to go. However the pilot controled firepower on the MAX is better so, still a conversation perhaps. The MR will come down to how they adress the turrets vs the EWAR package. If one copilot only gets to switch between turrets while the other controls only the EWAR as on the Antares, its only slightly better than the Antares (from a crew engagement standpoint) and we all know how well received that was.
Don't forget about blades for turrets ...
I like the look of the freelancer. I like exploration. But the DUR is just too ugly. 🤷 But it is such an old chassis, I would not be surprised if it got a significant rework. A crew of four on a ship that size is outdated.
Very glad to listen to your analysis again
I got the CL. I really liked the design of the ships. Also, I like the cargo compacity for the price.
Awesome timing!
This really makes me want to see how the connie is going to change, this just seems to outright beat the connie at present
Honestly, I prefer ramps over elevators and I honestly see this handling a lot better than the Connie
Except the connie has 2 - 3 x the firepower of the Zeus.
GAWD this ship is SLEEK! I just got Star Citizen and I wanna get something like this eventually.
The only thing that confused me was that sometimes you were showing a different variant than the one you we’re talking about but good info man, I picked up an ES CCU from my cutlass :)
thanks for this! i was fighting myself with getting either the ES or the CL and i went for the ES, it shall be my home ship lol. thanks again for this vid
Ditto … the ES will be my Millennium Falcon once in game.
Thanks for the information
There was for a breif moment a "Racing" tab on the Zeus page so it is thought that a racing variant may get announced at IAE
Just bought the MR! Can't wait to fly it in a year
I ditched my Hawk for the MR. A couple of friends of mine have joined the game and are keen on bounty hunting; they saw the MR and thought it looked cool. I never particularly liked the aesthetic of the Hawk or the Cutlass Blue for that matter so I upgraded to something we can all play with together. The clipper is tempting too - I have a soft spot in my heart for my old Freelancer Max but the extra shielding is tempting me.
Devs confirmed the shields are designed to be post shield rework, so not to put much stock on the number of shields on the ship.
If the Defender gets 2x S2, I will squeal unattractively
i bought a ccu upgrade to the CL, it being able to hold more cargo than the C1 spirit while being similar in size makes it the better option at the moment.
The primary thing I'm curious about with at least the CL and MR (since those are the two I grabbed) is the type of ground vehicle they'll be capable of hauling
The ST also has an extra turret, rear mounted spoiler, different winglets, and what looks like a skylight over the cargo bay.
As a longtime mustang alpha only owner, the RSI CL looks very tempting. Robert bout to finally get me hahahah
good vid, though a note for future vids so that you don't confuse new SC players looking for an opinion or insight on what might be one of their first stand alone ships, you should consider keeping your slide shows more related to the ship of function your talking about when showing off a ship or one with multiple variants.... like talking about cargo size between different variants and your slides show is just random instead of a side by side comparison of the variants of the ship.... or talking about a specific variant in detail, your slide show is just random as it should be to that ship.... I've been playing SC all the way back when Port Olisar was the only thing around and its always nice to see new players come to a game like this...
It also seems to have atmospheric flight control surfaces. I wouldn't worry too much about what ships have which components, as that's all likely to change with the power grid rework.
Very good video, as usual! I would also compare the ES with the 400i.
Yeah, I'm trying to justify having both ships. I'm an Origin fan, and have the 400i, but it's a L ship with a M Radar.
The Zeus MK II is a M ship with a L Radar.
What advantages does the 400i have?
@@KevinFelker 400i have a size 3 shield, 42 scu of cargo (+10), one more remote turret, the turrets have size 3 weapons and have a dedicated garage for a hover bike that won't take up storage space.
@@KevinFelker Can't be sure yet, but I'd put money on the 400i being faster on top of what was said in ^ comment. We also don't yet know how the jump drive sizes are going to dictate how our ships go from system to system. Maybe the ES has an easier time going through wormholes than the 400i? And iirc the 400i (like other Origin ships) has a fuel scoop, so it's hydrogen fuel will likely last much longer than the ES, but I could be totally wrong on that point. Last thing, many many years ago, the devs said something about how luxury ships will provide some kind of bonus to our ability to have NPC crews stay happier for longer times away from stations/planets. Like some kind of morale boost for having nicer accommodations in ships. IDK if this is still planned, but if so it bears considering if you plan to hire NPCs and keep them out on long excursions.
So in reality it sounds like the advantages the ES would have are 1.) Scanning 2.) better forward fire (although fighting in either ship is probably bad idea) 3.) Jump gate characteristics (but that could go either way) 4.) This is speculation but I'd imagine the 400i may get an "upkeep tax" or something for being a luxury ship. It might cost more to maintain an Origin over a similar ship from another manufacturer.
@@stevenh9474 I've been around since kickstarter, don't think I ever heard that part about NPC morale. Sounds pretty cool, as I plan on running with at least one NPC.
Thanks for the detailed reply.
A silver-metallic paint job on the Cutlass Blue = Din Djarin aka Mando's original ship
- This is the way
We are getting component changes for most ships according to CIG so old ship components are completely up in the air.
I think is they start implementing atmosphere flight dynamics properly, you will see a big ship handling diffidence between the Zeus and it's competitors. like the Freelancer and Drake.
The difference between the ES and the CL might be interior height, but it will probably change before release.
Awesome content
Turrets are all size three weapons iirc. Es is supposed to fit the cyclone class of ground vehicles. Agree there’s plenty up in the air. All I know is I can hardly wait for their release. My guess with the ST is it will be the “Phoenix” or “James Bond” version, with more combat ability than EC or cl but no eWar (emp and dampener) with a more luxurious internal design. Just a guess… and I bet one of mine will be upgraded to it.
I would imagine, once Armor gets properly added into the game, this ship's engine will be quite hard to take out, which would be a tremendous benefit for running away with cargo.
Love the blue, would consider it if it got a rework... but sadly it's getting melted for now. Between the huge armory & usable living space (can finally poop somewhere!), I think the MR will be my daily driver for bounty hunting. It will make a great ship to deploy a small team from for ground based capture missions. Only other thing I'm eager to see is if it will fit in the Crucible bay once it gets reconcepted... if not no biggy.
I really like the style and design of the ship. But im not sure which one to go for. A ES or CL? Which one would be a good general purpose ship? I have a caterpillar, cutlass black, andromeda, and a couple of other small fighters and ground vehicles.
The Vanguard is a heavy fighter. The Zeus is a larger multi-crew ship. So it makes sense to me that the shields are stronger than a Vanguard. What I don't quite understand is that the floorplans appear to have an airlock right behind the cockpit across from the suit lockers. But the exterior doesn't appear to reflect that, so I would presume there would be some modifications in that regard.
I don’t have the link, but they mentioned on spectrum that the shields on these are correct. There was originally going to be an announcement about shield shield rebalancing across ships, but that was put off and will be forthcoming.
A solid maybe since they're apparently going to update similarly sized ship's components....making me think we will have 3 size subcategories: connie size, a1 size, and cutlass size
My guess is that the Zeus would be pretty sluggish, with that big health pool. If not, there’s no real reason to go for the C1 Spirit over the CL (besides looks - it has less cargo, is a bigger target and doesn’t even have multiple entryways - and it’s still a medium hauler with a tractor beam….) unless it goes way up in price. Still picked a CL up though :)
Edit: I’d say it would be a fair competitor to the max, the cargo difference is minimal in exchange for more pilot weapons. The max’s rework may see it gain a tractor beam(?)
i think the ES has an open hallway through the middle that cant be filled with cargo, similar to the C1, where i believe the CL is allowed to go wall to wall cargo with no access to rear ramp
I got the 'Essential' variant because I dont have an exploring ship plus I love the design.
If I may, I think the most direct line of comparison for the Xeus ES is the 400i.
It has about the same shield HP pool, very similar in cargo capacity, the same pilot controlled weapons and similar scanning ranges. The primary advantage the Zeus has at this moment over the 400i is that it should be able to navigate small jump portals as it is comparable in size to a freelancer.
The 400i has the advantage of dedicated vehicle storage, an additional turret and the cartography table but it’s limited to medium jump points and up.
The only reason I am not buying one is that I already own a 400i and at this point I am not ready to trade it for a Zeus. Even though I want one. I will likely pick up a Zeus MR in game when it’s released. I think There is a lot of good gameplay capabilities there but I am not going to spend real money on it.
Also I’m already deep enough into this project and I am doing my best to hold off on giving CIG fresh money until Squadron 42 is released.
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So in summary, the $250 ship outperforms the $150 ship.
Like the number of entrances for sure.
This is the best ship comparison video I've seen over the last 7 years of Star Citizen. Thank you!
I wonder if any of the Zeus variants will be able to fit into the Misc Odyseey's ship bay? Although both are in concept and size for each can change, I think the Zeus would be a great asset to have when your in the odyssey. looking at starship 42 it looks like it would almost fit.
The MR's top turret was said to be "Forward Facing." So could be pilot control.
The "Dampner" is listed as both QED and QD so is confusing. QED would have the Snare.
The big requirement for me to CCU from my Blue to an MR, is what the crew positions actually are. :)
We've been told jump point size were being refactored.
What is the point of the Hydrogen Tank size? Most of your flight time is going to be using Quantum fuel. Hydrogen fuel is used in landing approach and leaving an LZ or in Dogfighting.
i have upgraded my c1 tu the zeus mk2 fright cl :) i hope the traktor beam works better then the one on the c1
For the MR vs. Cutty Blue discussion…. This changes now I think. With Master Modes the EMP can now be considered much more seriously…. If you can jump…. You no longer have shields up.
already brought one
If i can fit a roc in the zeus MR i will probably make that my daily driver for its ability to just do a little of anything except cargo i quess, but i can always just rent a ship for cargo running if i want to do that for the day
Do we know yet if the Zeus can fit is small jump points?
Thinking about upgrading my DUR, but if Zeus is medium+ only then I don’t call it an “upgrade” for my plan.
The ST varient is pretty much a for sure based on that fact. They showed it in the art images and they didn't unveil it with the others. Then they showed the silhouettes of the up and coming ships and one of them ones a Zues Mark II but everyone kept saying no it couldnt be as they just unveiled it. But it only makes since that that one would be the ST variant which most likely would be a racing variant or data runner.
During citizencon, they said that the biggest current ground vehicle they can haul is the cyclone
How it fits all that cargo on the CL is it stack wall to wall so you can't walk around the cargo bay when it's full
Hey what do you think is the better option of crusader c1 and zeus mark 2 cl?
It is a nice looking ship for sure.
I kinda hope the MR will be good for something but I'm not convinced about its combat ability. Guess we'll see.
I wonder if the ST is a transport like the E1, would make sense for them to delay it since the E1 got fucked over with a delayed release compared to the other Spirits
Would the Cargo varient be an ok daily driver? I currently daily a C1 Spirit and not sure if I should upgrade
00:36 Zeus was made before jump points where discovered, what only billionares could buy was the drive that could jump across systems, way after the Zeus.
I ended buying it. I upgraded my Cutty Black to a Zeus CL (even though I hate the paint job)
The loaner is an A1, which is kind of worse than a Cutty Black, utility wise. The Spirit A1 also shoots two of its guns weirdly. They cross paths close to the ship.
Otherwise I only have an Avenger Titan, because it's still the best starter ship probably.
really wish we had a medical version! would like something new until we get the Apollo. cutlass red is good, but oh so fragile...and there's only so much space duct tape!
still considering upgrading to the CL...kinda curious to see how big the storage area is. maybe might be able to finagle a C8R in there? prolly not. still worth a shot though!
i'm highly considering it, I have a freelancer Max, which was upgraded from the Freelancer which I've had for a long long time. Though maybe not until its actually ready, but unless the Freelancer series gets a redesign and get a gold standard pass, I just feel like this is a faaar better choice than the freelancers. The freelancer max and this Zeus Mk II are both the same price yet this one has slightly more cargo space, It has vastly more room to move around in and just overall looks better.
I know they advertise the Freelancers as the space truck, but for the price that its being sold as, it just does not seem worth the amount that is being asked for when you could get something way better for a similar price. Which pains me because I do like the MISC line ups. But as we constantly get newer ships, it becomes painfully obvious how old these designs are and how they don't match up with what we currently have. Especially now that we got the Hull C and how good these MISC ships could look.
“Storage suit for lockers” lol hell yeah man good video🫡
Hello, if you have a chance, could you make a video comparing the 325A vs MR please
its the python from ED and i need it.
The time SC Comes out, You'll have to change your name to STLYOldblood!
at the current price it's an excellent boat especially for 138 SCU with the level of shields until scanning gameplay and the secure cargo works it's better than an MSR for hauling
Thinking of upgrading my cutlass to the ES, but Im worried that the ES is too heavily focused on exploration to be my daily driver/general use runaround.
What do you think?
The CL might be a better fit if you want to do the same things as you can do in the Cutty, more cargo space/ space for vehicles and they both have a tractor beam.
just looking for a decent daily driver tbh@@Wilolino
Did you attend CitzenCon? I was lucky enough to go and it was really fantastic. So glad I made the effort to go. Not going to buy the Zeus. Kind of want a Pioneer now that they've gotten us excited about base building.
Know what this reminds me of? The Titan's big brother. Can fight and do a little cargo, mining, exploration, etc without excelling at any of them. Does seem like an _everyman_ ship.
ST:
Stealth?
Status?
Sport Touring?
STarfarer?
ShuTtle?
STriker?
Wonder if, following RSI naming, there will be a Zeus MK2 LN
For me, the MR is a close call to the Cutlass Blue. The question becomes the final performance. The Zeus is said to be less agile than the Crusader Spirit series. The Blue is faster and has better acceleration though turning is, roughly, the same as the Spirit. Which, comparitively, implies the Zeus won't be able to keep up with the Blue. And if it can't keep up with the Blue, what is the intended target?
The pilot firepower in the Blue is higher, but with a crew of 3, the Zeus, probably, has a higher total gun output and more flexible firepower. The Zeus trades missiles for the EMP. Depending on your play style, that may be a positive or a negative. If the Zeus doesn't fly as well as the Cutty Blue, using the EMP might be problematic.
I think the MSR should also have been in the CL comparison. I already think it better than the Max as the wide ramp and bay makes it much easier to load cargo and vehicles plus I prefer to avoid combat so I count the speed as more useful than better weapons. I thought I would never replace my MSR as my medium freighter but the CL might just change my mind. I like the tractor beam set way out to be more useful and the extra exit. It really depends on how good data running is and how fast the CL is. It will not be as fast as the MSR but as long as it is not horribly slow then it might do.
I might also have to think about the ES instead of my Corsair or 400i. John Crewe hinted that the Corsairs radar is no more than 'a bit above average' while the ES seems to have a proper exploration one.
I really hope the MR comes with the red and blue lights 😅
I would like to know if it has the VTOL fans that the constellation series have that is a big factor for me
Traded the freelancer up to the es. I will miss those guns though.
I have a DUR and kind of see it gettin’ an overhall at somepoint, maybe even a rework.
It being the biggest ship to go through small jumppoints is kind of why I got it (also sits well between my Carrack and 315p) but I did get myself a ccu to the ES just incase nothing too worth mentioning happens to the DUR in the future.
Tell me, with everything going on in the CIG camp, do you really think CIG care about the DUR...kinda dont think its on their radar. Nice ship and all, but a rework...really?. You seem to be one for the old guard.
@@davewills148 I don’t think it’s on their radar, was just simply hopeful rather than believing it. One can only hope. 😅
@@DFoss89 I mean, it's 100% certain they (like all old ships) will get a gold standard pass. Question being is that enough to fix what's broken with them? Who knows. I hope they go for a MKII series that's slightly more expensive, but lets people decide to stick with the "classic" or upgrade to new hotness.
I want the ES If I can make money by selling location data. I really hope the scanning and map update gives people a reason to explore and sell the info they have gathered
I believe the reason the CL has more cargo space has to do with the lack of top turret above the cargo area.
But ES doesn't have one too
@@xvieirax ahhh my mistake, I thought it did when I first saw it.
am I the only one thinking that the combat oriented one is the one being the less protected ? I mean the exploration one has one supplementary shield and I have heard that the cargo one has supplementary armor
but nothing for the combat one, huh, strange
What is the other room in opposite to the armory on the MR for??
really loved the look of this ship so i ended up getting the cl but i hate the paint so i hope they release some paints for it