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the truely scary thing here isnt your mustache but the general vibe that radiates from it
Damn.
It’s called aura
It feels like he lost a bet or something, it’s so horrible
@aid1705 it's actually spiritual pressure
@@ivandankob7112 Its gotta be a lost bet, or some kind of joke. It looks way too bad for this to be an unironic thing.
Suning also used to own Jiangsu. The team didn't get relegated, they were dissolved a few months after winning the Chinese league because of financial issues.
Steven Zhang is running Inter the way a rich kid plays with his dad's expensive cars.
The Chinese super league is messed up now it used to be the place where old players get a easy paycheck now it's mostly domestic Chinese players and like 2 foreign players. Saudi will have more foreign players as the league is picking up attention.
@@declangaming24 Saudi league will look exactly like the Chinese Super leage in forseeable future.
@@declangaming24 Because they were overpaying for a bunch of old hasbeens that would never translate to elevating Chinese football which was the whole idea in the first place behind attracting foreign talent with big salaries.
They should've put all that money and invested it into their youth players, and developing their own domestic talent instead which I'd hope they're doing now.
@@55TheOracle55 if China did that and bought some older stars it could work
@@declangaming24 It seems like Saudi Arabia is doin that, unlike China they jus have a insanely stupid amount of money that they could redo their project 50 times over without making a dent
Suning was horribly mismanaged and on the way out, I'll be amazed if they make it to 2026 so as an Inter fan this is better than whatever Suning was doing. Also, the loan did not go to Inter as an entity, but to a Luxemburg holding company that Suning was using to control the club so the club was not liable for the loan. It was just a full shitshow with Suning pretty much from the start and the results game in spite of their handling of business.
Hopefully they fix the ugly eSports logo and put back the elegant or even classic logo
How do you guys feel about the titles you have won over the years? Was it worth it or not? Not trying to take the piss, just curios as a Milan fan myself
Zealand looks like an 80s detective in Miami
More like a pimp from Magnum PI/Miami Vice kinda thing
Man the more i look into international football the more i love the 50+1 Rule 😅
Everyone should listen to german football fans, it's just the truth
Less money in the league makes it less competative
the 50+1 rule restricts investment and growth of german football. bundesliga makes nowhere near the revenue of the other top leagues. i.e: sponsorship, foreign investment etc.. and they'll continue to fall behind.
it also limits bigger individual club development the same as the entire league. smaller clubs will gain ground but then plateau.
there's also a lack of transparency pertaining to external shareholders and sponsors. as insiders and club members will be able to vote on issues without any backlash.
having said all that, foreign investment has ruined english football.
and i would say that I wished all clubs were locally owned
Germany is just as football mad as England. Germany has more people and businesses than England. Those businesses and people make more money, on average, than their English counterparts. Yet the bundesliga makes less than half that of the premier league. The 50+1 rule has, while maintained the culture well, doomed the bundesliga into a farm league and made it easier for Bayern to dominate
@@rhh3828 did you follow the bundesliga this season
ill sum it up. as a MIlan fan im laughing my ass off, but as a calcio fan, this is deeply worrying and setting a terrible precedent.
im a juventus fan, and i completely agree. i always root for italian teams in european competitions and am generally happy when italian teams do well, but at the same time, im not exactly crying either, because it is inter
@@AlessandroZanotti-nt5vii couldn't imagine rooting for Real Madrid in Europe as a Barca fan, but also, I'm not Spanish so idk
Why is it a terrible precedent since it's neither terrible nor unprecedented?
This could not have happened in Germany with the 50+1 rule. Seems the only solution is for clubs to be owned by the fans.
Leeds about to get smoked next LOL (waiting for a video on this) considering they didn't get into the Premier League after spending £198m lol
who owns leeds? do they have any investors/debts that they won't be able to pay off because of this?
Luis Felipe Scolari vibes from that moustache, ngl
Z: Serie A will do what they always do and inflate players value to cover their books
Premier League clubs: 😅
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This is either going to be okay ala AC, Thank you Elliot or a spectacular disaster either way vibes for me personally.
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Greetings from the blue oyster young man
Zealand looking like an Australian Truck Driver
That’s pretty much how the Glazers bought Man Utd, I think the loan is still not paid off - just interest payments paid? The rules in England changed to prevent that kind of purchase after it.
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Hello, Zea! I was wondering if you could talk about Antonio (West Ham), who recently spoke out about his mental health challenges. He has been open about going to therapy, and is talking very positively about the experience. I think this is a topic that is sorely needed in the football community!
I guess a rule against setting up a club as asset for a loan wouldn't change anything. Still it would be possible to just sell the club to any company, including the company of the debt collector (or a subsidary of those megacompanies), when you can't fulfill the debt. It wouldn't change the result.
Leave it to Zealand to do a story about loans
I'm gonna need you to LOAN LOAN LOOOOAAAAAN
That will depend, if Oak Tree pulls an Elliot move like they did in Milan, they didn´t messed with the management, the scouting and hiring teams and let people that knows how things works do their job, then Inter will be fine. But if they start to fire people in order to put their own personal to run things up and sell players to recoup loses because they think that´s how they will make their money back... yeah, things could go very bad.
I can't imagine that they are actually interested in owning a football club, that would just lose them money. Best case they just decide to sell the club on immediately, worst case they strip it completely selling off all assets to make back as much as they can.
Do a video abt rooney upgrading clubs while relegating with others like kompany its crazy
There are 2 things that are true at the same time to me. Serie A Is obviously struggling to make enough money, Juventus was dominant for a decade, it's the most succesfull club in Italy and yet had to resort to the market manipulation that they did in order to sustain themselves and eventually got caught and penalyzed. I personally believe that there's a too big of an effort devoted to keeping the larger clubs afloat and on top of the food chain and too little effort pur into cultivating a movement from the ground up. We Italians are good with football things, just think about how low the resources of our movement are compared to Spanish English and german ones, and yet we keep developing the best coaches in the world and make good finishes in both club and international competitions, look at Inter building a serie a winning team on free transfers, serie a making 6 european finals in 3 years, Italy winning last euros while being the 5th best team (ans that's being generous), however we can't seem to be able to build an infrestructure to make our results consistente.
As far as the oaktree situation goes, chinese properties in Italy already had a similar approach with AC Milan, they basically never payed the loan out and lost the club to theese funds, It seems like this is the least bad loss they could've endured given the situation.
Corruption and greed
Hey Zealand 👋 I've been watching you for a while now and I really appreciate your work and I'd love to do a flag knowledge competition if you happen to be around Luxembourg someday, I'll beat you for sure 😄. Nah but seriously, keep doing what you're doing man, I really like it! 💪
If you want to see profitability in Serie a look at Atalanta who deserve a video in itself for winning the Europa league with one of the greatest managers around in the profit. Serie a only gets a bad wrap by English pr it's a shame
How did you get that kit. Cause even back home(in Tanzania) it is pretty hard.
Also Milan's ownership did the same thing with overspending 3x what they had and never won. Both were mismanagement
It really does not feel like it, AC had a good run in the 4 years of Elliot Management, arguably better than the RedBird acquisition as now, mostly because, yes, they are debt collectors and they want to gain as much from the sale of the asset as possible.
But to gain that much profit means creating a interesting project for spenders, meaning improvement to the club overall.
About Serie A and its colossal money problems, more than the club itself is the entire system in Italy, in particular clubs have a gargantuan job fighting with bureaucracy to basically do anything.
It is very telling all the stadium situations in Italy, which aren't owned by the clubs and are limited by the local government, mostly putting vetoes on stadiums architecture and structures that does not make any room to grow.
In particular this situation is seen in the biggest cities in Italy, the recent San Siro drama, but also the Stadio Olimpico in Rome(in particular Roma tried to move out of the dtadium in recent memories) or Artemio Franchi in Florence. With those limitations clubs have little possibilities to make profits from sponsorships or structure.
In Milan for example, both AC Milan and Inter Milan museums, stores and important locations are very far from the San Siro core, making it convoluted for outsiders to navigate when it is match day while all the same the clubs have to sustain the cost to maintain the stadium and a fee given to the Italian Government to actually use the stadium itself.
It is an interesting video, but since you are already talking about Ac Milan being in that same situation I feel like you should also point out what were the results for them: Elliott did a fantastic job as owners, they they cut all financials losses while the team improved majorly on the pitch, they made big sponsor deals like Fly Emirates that are still part of the core of Milan's revenues and all of that culminated with winning the league while making a 1.2mld profit from the club. So Oaktree being a debt collector fund itself is not a garantuee of bad things and it is not different from any other private fund that decide to buy a football club. Yes you already know that they will eventually sell the club but that is not always a bad thing
Zealand looks like a 1980s ATF agent with the moustache.😂
6:43 - Reading FC fans want you to talk to Dai Yongge right now. "Just sell your club!" xD
Oak tree got a steal. I hate to say it as a Milan fan but Inter is definitely worth a lot more than 270 million. Even if you include the interest it's still worth a lot more than 400 million.
They could easily flip it for like a billion or something. Infact even by just selling the players instead of the club they could probably get pretty close to a billion. Lautaro alone would go for like 150-200 million
Both problems are true. The problem Inter had was their spending didn't match the revenues. They were spending at levels similar to Juventus when they weren't even winning trophies or being competitive. This was mid 2010s. Past two seasons they needed to sell players and never did. Its down to mismanagement but its also true Serie A doesn't have revenue that others have and its a problem. They need new stadiums and the clubs need to own them. Its changing slowly as Inter and Milan both have projects to build and Cagliari will have a new one ready to play in in 2025/26
As Inter fan my self, firstly, yeas SUNING were good owners of the club. But the Chinese closing of out-going capital, put them in awkward position, not able to repay the loan, and also not being able to use money in transvers periods. For example, before the Chinese closing down, SUNING brought Lukaku, Hakimi, Eriksen, and others. Then after corona and Chinese closing down, they needed to get a loan, in which they put the club as a collateral, but also it is not so much SCARY as you suggest, because, OAKTREE were also given seat in the Inter board of directors, for last 3 years. So this changing of owners, is really smooth, because OAKTREE know the club inside out. Other thing to inform you, Italian club, have so much negative balance from the 90s, and also Italy as a country don't invest in football, because it sees it as a private entities, not something to invest in. It sees sport as a sport, and not as a business. Thats why, only Juventus and Udinese have new stadiums, others play in amphitheaters. So when FFP came, all of big clubs wound them selves with no money, and in 2010s in a process of rebuilding their squads. Thats why Inter, MIlan, Roma spend so much time in banter era. But Milan has now new American owners, Inter transitioning from SUNING to OAKTREE is noting to be scared (talking as a Inter hard core my self), because Inter is 1season away, from finally coming to green. Next year good CL, top 4 in Italy, and the World Club tournament, puts Inter in green. Also OAKTREE will continue to run the club, but the already have lineup partners, to join them, to add to the investors. And If you don't know, Marrota is also a GOD of director of football. Man has operated for 4/5 years now with 0 budget for transvers, and simultaneously needing to cut the wage expenditure. And Inter won 7 trophies, and played multiple finals in Europe. Inter just signed the best midfielder in Italy, Zielinski on a FREE, and Taremi from Porto on a FREE to join next year. So despite what most of (paid) italian sports new say, Inter will be favorite to be champion next year, and to make deep run in the CL. SUNING just lost a valuable brand in Inter, but Inter position doesn't change at all.
And other thing, the 86 millions loss im 22/23 was the lowest to come....years earlier when the brought the club, Inter had like 500+ millions in the red. SUNING with hard work over the years, cut the red, and were on track to be in the green 1 season away. And knowing how Inter board and director of football operates, just wait till next financial report.
Sorry to say, but you are not one season to go in the green, you have a massive debt to pay. And if you are lucky Oaktree will take on this project. If you are unlucky they will try to cash out as soon as possible. Which could leave you in a terrible spot and a sold out squad... This could go both ways and i would be kinda scared if i was you.
@@milanistanorway Haha nice one my bitter friend. Since we are owning you, like 3 years in a row, now you know more than Inter finances than their own fans. Lets talk next June ;)
@@ivanajvan Im not bitter at all. As a massive supporter of Serie A i look at this situation very seriously. Im not trying to be toxic or belittle you in any way. Its just the truth. You have around 500-600 million in debt and now with these new owners who knows what will happen. There is no need for the hate. I know Inter is the better side at the moment, but the this could turn ugly for you if Oaktree wants to go that way...
How cute writing "FREE" players forgetting they would get massive wages and their agents will take a pretty large fee, basically worsening even more the financial situation. And no, Inter doesn't have "86 millions loss", it has 800 MILLIONS € of debt.
Less delusions, kiddo.
Zealand P.I.
Bro started looking like a guy who would tell me a lot of facts on the wildlife in florida
Inter should have won the UCL. I'm afraid that was their last chance
yeah their hell with the debt collectors is just starting
I mean to be honest they spent poorly in a dying league. Serie isn’t profitable league anymore I think a mid table EPL makes more than juventus did during its title runs. It’s literally barely more profitable than ligue 1
@@aaronnilestoussaint5672 dude if you're doing better than ligue 1 then I say you aren't a dead league yet lmao. top 4 in leagues in the world is still an achievement for sure!
Zealand should do a story on NK ROGASKA who won the Slovenian Cup and are getting relagated to the lowest Slovenian league (all this year).
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5:04 Boomhauer, is that you? Boowndis-liga 😂😂😂
Gonna be rough several years for Inter until a new real owner comes in and buy out Oaktree
As an AC Milan fan, I have 0 sympathy for inter. But seeing how things turned out for us, I am not worried one bit.
We were purchased when we were 5th in the league. Now, we are consistently top 4, doing well financially, and the sporting project is improving. Inter is top of the league and by far the better sporting project. They are going to be just fine.
They have massive problems financially thooo, there is a big debt to be paid and recovered. This could set them back many years if Oaktree decieds that they just want their money back and maybe some profit to go with it. I imagine there are gonna be some big transfers out of inter in the future...
Bro will soon be doing FC 24 rebuilds
Fun fact suning had a league of Legends team and during 2020 they lost in the world championship finals
I don't see the problem. It sucks for Inter but in a business sense, what else could have happened? The other option is to default to a state bank and have the club go into administration and *then be sold by the bank to whoever*.
What kind of private investor is going to pay real money to buy an Italian club and it's huge pile of debt? NOBODY.
When teams are sold because the owner just wants to sell it we assume this is somehow better, but why?
Yeah I don't see where the problem is. These are totally standard business practices and your club being owns by shrewd investors is exactly what you want if you're interested in success.
Bro what’s that hairy insect crawling across your lip? Sit still a minute while I get the bug repellent
The Glazers lent money to buy United. United still have the debts of being bought...
Reading had the same issue of Chinese owners not being able to adequately fund their team. I wonder what would happen if such a company took over that club
So they are basically me who makes a new career mode on fifa with financial takeover every time I boot up the game only to abandon the club a week later because the AI scored their 30th cutback goal
You could put me in charge of Bayern and id be like "ok lads go out there and win" and id be ok.
Suning is one of the richest, most powerful companies in China. How did this happen? I live in Guangzhou and Suning is everywhere.
exporting funds outside of China is limited
@@superrookie-1 Yes, usually only for regular people. The super rich/big companies usually don't have to follow the law.
I think this is more an easy out for Suning to comply with China than a failure on Serie A's part, honestly. The rest of the league is still doing well in Europe. Juve just feel better poised than ever to retake hegemony of the league now.
If they are debt collectors, they will be the type of owner to asset strip or sell on for more than they loaned out
ZEA!!! Have you seen the Militão situation?!?
The same thing happened to liverpool. Financial crash. The banks took over then sold them.
Different thing, that's more like the recent Chelsea sale. This is a private entity failing to pay another private entity back and so the club was put up as collateral
In England, these clubs get relegated, they don’t default
As clearly shown by man city being champions this year and still playing in the PL😂.
115 charges innit give or take?
0:12 ..are we still talking about the football thing or the hairy thing? /j I've only just shaved the neckbeard off for summer.
So the fire sale is on at Inter this window?
Looks like FSG is going to buy Inter for a great price. They wanted another European team and this is a juicy option that is also very successful.
I don't think it's Inter that isn't making much money but more so whatever debt Suning owed was too much for Inter to pay off. They probably had other business debts and Inter was already subsidising their other ventures, but it wasn't enough. On top of that, the loan itself was at a massive interest rate. Loaning to a risky Chinese business probably warrants that 12%, it's egregious and definitely what caused the debt to balloon but understandable.
Also, I don't think it's that bad. Elliot did great with AC Milan (they also won the league) and these iconic Italian teams have a lot of commercial potential, in my opinion. Also, apart from Boehly and the Glazers, most firms seem to know what makes these clubs valuable and I don't think they'll strip and sell the club for parts or anything like that.
I told an Inter Milan fan that y'all are going to get pegged just like we are at Chelsea.
4:42 this is just a wrong generalization, Milan and Napoli did well in the UCL last season (this season not so much, but the trend is positive), Atalanta in EL. and all of them are making a profit regularly and reinforce their squad steadily (not Napoli with DeLaurentis being a clown this season), Serie A clubs showed they can compete without throwing money like the Prem teams, its just a Suning specific problem (and Inter too obv).
Inter problems are just Suning putting more or less a billion since 2016 into the club and not thinking that, maybe, they should be using this for building a long term project, propping up financial income and deals while making a squad with efficient spending; but then they decided to bring in Conte and spent a huge amount of money for a strong squad now that was just too costly for Inter incomes, then add their financial issues in China, Covid and a too light/ slow cost review of the club by Zhang and bam, the inevitable came knocking the door.
Now I don't think Oaktree will do something as drastic as Elliot, since Inter has already started the spending review and clean up, plus I think I read that they had an advisor on Inter board since the loan so they probably have a clear idea on what to do, so I wouldn't be so dramatic, a realistic scenario is just that finally they will sell some deadwood (Sensi and co) and maybe putting some sense on Lautaro requests renewal, for this window at least
As an Italian fan, Inter is in a very bad situation, and while they're not the only teams running at a continuous loss there are also teams that don't.
Also this ownership change has brought to light that inter had failed to disclose that lionrock no longer owns 30% of the club, so we'll see what happens there
hi
less about the mustache and more about the hairline.
Is it true that having that kind of moustache automatically unlocks ability to speak German?
What if they were so successful because they spent like a championship team?
I pray on their downfall but not like this.
Seriously though,what did the people working a Serie A do to negotiate such a bad television deal? The league as a whole seems completely undervalued in that metric
Because TVs don't wanna invest too much in a League that, sure, has many good teams on top, but also unwatchable teams at the bottom. Ask a Turkish football fan what they think about Cagliari-Lecce.
All I could see is a huge bouncing mic bar. I can't handle more distraction !
Hello
Serie A champions have been cursed these last few seasons. Inter Milan had financial crisises and lost their stars after Conte's scudetto and now it's happening again. AC Milan got new owners and now sacked Pioli. Napoli are shit now a year after winning it all
If you think sacking pioli is bad for Milan then you haven’t been following the team. His tactics were horrendous.
Italian football is not sustainable. Restructuring is needed, Serie A needs new broadcasting rights and proper stadium infrastructure.
*Keep the mustache*
My question is why do owners keep buying into Serie A? Aren't most of the teams losing money every year? It seems like a terrible investment unless you can flip it to someone even more reckless
Seria A fan here, the Chinese owner was bad at spending money, he signed so many expensive players on high payrolls and signed expensive coaches on top of not owning a stadium
AC Milan was the same, however in Milan's case once Elliot took over all debt was gone, but inter has 400 mil on the club's nam, not the owner THE CLUB that is due on 2027
Oaktree will eventually force inter's management to sell so many players and cut costs, Inter's hell is just starting
Milan however is doing much better financially and they are on their way to build a stadium, so slowly inter will fade away while Milan will go up
Signed: a -Milan- Serie A fan
@@Damian_1989 we'll take any chance to laugh at merda haha
Why Italian clubs struggle economically is easy to understand, just check out their stadiums and how the ownership structure is around that! That's right, only Juventus own's their own stadium outright. Italian clubs play in out of date-stadiums where they don't even cash out much of the profit from them. The city/municipality/region owns the stadiums and ofc then takes a cut from the winnings. They're just so far behind England on this front that it will take at least 20 years to make it halfway up there. You will soon have teams in Championship with better setups than most of the Italian teams. Now Inter and Milan can keep on overspending as they dominate Italian federation and work together, hence why when you see the scandals unrevel it always batter all the other teams(specifically Juve, not innocent as they just did what Inter and Milan always did) while Milan and Inter gets firm slaps on the wrist instead.
Look how interestingly the Tonali-incident unrevels AFTER Milan sells him for big money to Newcastle..... Weird huh? ;P
Thank God for Atalanta or I would've stopped watching this league A LOOOOOONG time ago.
There are some stadiums owned by the club
Particularly Mapei Stadium of Sassuolo, Dacia Arena of Udinese, Sardegna Arena of Cagliari and most importantly Gewiss Stadium in Bergamo of Atalanta. In general though this happened in cities that aren't the giant cities of Italy.
The only exception is the Allianz Stadium in Turin owned by Juventus, which is still middlish-bad for a club as big as Juve. Expecially Allianz Stadium is particularly small and ticket prices are extremely expensive for any match Juve participates in.
Serie A and FIGC are doing a pathetic job because their mentality is 'our management worked in the '90 early 2000 and Serie A was the top league in the world.
Their tactics are 20 years old at best and they are refusing to aknowledge that football is changing constantly
Look up how FSG took over liverpool
This is how it works in business.
Which is what football is.
A massively corrupt business.
Nice moustaché
distracting from the hairline
@@richyq8786 my hairline is starting to look the same so I fully get it
Barcelona are also broke
Not really. You're broke when your liabilities outgrow your assets or in common parlance get dangerously close to that. Barca's assets dwarf their liabilities, probably by a few billions. Barca's only problem is the structuring of their debt.
😂 your moustache is weird bro looking like one of those guys living in drakes mansion
China getting a taste of their own medicine.
What? It's the deliberate actions of the Chinese government that caused this situation. How us that getting a taste if your own medecine? They achieved what they wanted which is erasing the debt of one of their companies.
Don’t give the people outside of Italy false thoughts about inter being close to bankruptcy because it is far from the truth, the debt that has been claimed by sources was the debt of Zhang, and if it were the case that inter were struggling financially, it wouldn’t be possible to give contract renewals with improved salaries but this is all made possible due to the new Champions League and new Club World Cup where Inter will play in both competitions.
It’s fine for you to do these videos, you can earn your money from the title, etc etc. But what you are insinuating is that the club is in danger and it is far from the truth
I don’t think this said or insinuated but that these kind of owners won’t have the clubs best interest in mind but their own and might assetstrip it and then sell it to make quick money or just their investment back. Not Inter’s financial situation but the previous and current owner’s situation.
@@thargoff we will see, because if they are doing things not at the best interest of the club then I will be surprised because they have decided to keep all the sporting directors that have managed to guide inter in a tougher period, and know how to work with a budget less than €0, but what is being reported is that nothing has changed on the transfer market objectives despite the change in ownership.
And it has been reported they want to keep the club for a few more years, and do you know what that will mean? They won’t destroy the club by selling important players, they want the club to go far in Europe and in the club world club to increase the value of the club but by doing sustainable transfer markets, which have been done since 2021 in the summer.
The players already bought Taremi (replacing Sanchez) and Zielinski (who will replace Klaassen and Sensi (didn’t play a single game this season so frees up wage budget). Two extra signings that can be made Bento (Brazil keeper) to replace Audero as Inter’s number 2, and Gudmundsson (Genoa attacker) possibly to replace Arnautovic that is still in the unknown.
But a player that is likely to leave if he doesn’t renew this current summer will be Dumfries and for some reason he gets interest from top premier league clubs, and he isn’t anything special, so to earn something back from him is actually a massive bonus
@@thargoff
What your saying makes absolutely no sense. If someone owns a club, his interest and the club's interests are tied, by definition. If the club is a failure, its market value will come down.
There is no asset stripping possible here. Asset stripping occurs when the value of a company's assets are worth more than the value of the company. That's not true here nor can it ever be true for a football club, especially a big one, because intangible assets cannot be sold and they are worth a lot for football clubs. You cannot sell the Inter Milan brand for instance. So asset stripping Inter (or any football club) would be the dumbest financial move ever. Why would Oak Tree sell the sum of Inter's parts for less than they would get if they sokd the entirety of the club?
I think you are a little misinformed, Inter fans hated Suning Group and Zhang.
Clubs should be owned by the fans. The fact that it’s normal that one person can buy a club is the thing that’s scary.
Why is it crazy? This is as stupid as saying film studios should be owned by cinema goers.
@@BlunderCity sound logic because every city has its own film studio and competes with other film studios in the same country for a title. How dense can you be?
@@f.s.2310
Why does it matter that the studio is in the same city? Most football fans don't live in (or even come from) the same city or town than the club they support since traditionally, people support the team of their parents and and occasionally the team of their first football game or the club that inspires them the most. People move a lot, especially people who come from small town. Cery often, people won't support their local club but another team in the region or in the country.
Which fans are you considering as owners? Who is the aristocracy in your view? Who are the leaders? All of them? And how do you deal with disparities in income. Because, unless you haven't thought about this hard enough, football teams require periodic injection of cash to smooth out the variance. If fans own the club, they also have to fund it.
The experience of socios in places likes Spain shows that it invariably creates an top brass of fans and yet the power lies elsewhere.
I don't think you've thought this through mate. You're just repeating a slogan. The fan-owning model is a terrible idea in the modern world.
@@BlunderCity Your first point is simply wrong most club supporters are locals. You are born in Gelsenkirchen you support Schalke end of story. Even people in small Towns support their local Clubs first and then if they are bad add another bigger club to their fandom. The gras routs support is extremly important especially for smaller Teams.
You clearly dont know anything about Club structures or even what the definition of a what a club is. A Club has paying members those members are the "owners" of the Club. They Vote on important personel and decisions for the Club. This structure increases Support and Fan culture. It also keeps Ticket prices affordable and leads to better atmospheres in the Stadium. The TV rights, Ticket/Merch Sales and periodic membership fees are all the injection of Cash a Club needs to survive.
You bring up Spain as a bad example? Just look at Germany where you have better atmospheres, healthier Clubs and affordable Ticket prices. Clubs are run by Legends and Experts of the Game who know what football means on and of the pitch. Chelsea is just the newest example of a very bad owner who thinks he can spend his way to the top.
The Fan owning Model is the only one that will keep Stadiums alive and stop the complete cemmercialisation of the game we all Love...
A few things about this video:
First of all the situation at Milan was wildly different, Li was a terrible owner and Milan were punished for the debt he caused to the club; inter on the other hand have far more than half a billion in debts and have seen no punishment by neither uefa nor the figc allowing them to play in the ucl and serie a (despite regurarly not having the money to even sign up to the league), the winner of the serie a gets more than enough money, inter are just in that much debt, they've been spending money that is not theirs (maybe it helps that ffp doesn't seem to exist for some selected clubs, maybe it helps that infantino and gravina are widely known to support inter).
And you're not even scratching the surface, what happens on the pitch when inter plays is incredible
Spending money that's not theirs? That makes no sense, how is it possible. Only the government does that. You mean money they've borrowed? Borrowed money is yours, just that you're given a liabilities that is also yours. It's a little known fact but your bank balance is not yours, deposits legally belong to the banks. It's a reverse credit card where you are lending money to the bank and can recall the loan whenever you want.
As for FFP rules, you don't know how they have amortised their assets so you have no idea if they're in breach. You can legally spend more than you earn under FFP, because your purchases are amortised over time. If I buy a player worth 50 million on a 5 year contract and amortise it fully, I will only have spent 10 million that year.
@@BlunderCity i don't have time to argue rn just know you're wrong
@@Burpingtogheter
Brilliant argumentation!
@@BlunderCity ok, i have some time now, sorry for the wait, let me tell i wouldn't correct you if i wasn't 100% sure i'm right, ik my stuff, all clubs' financial figures are public and clubs cannot "borrow money" they have a cap on how much they can spend, ffp which dictates how much money "they have".
inter were 881m euros in debt as of last year and recorded a loss of 140m this year, so yeah i do know that they've been breaching ffp, it has been widely reported that inter have been bankrupt in all but name for years at this point and now you and anyone reading knows as well :)
btw, if you're interested, other Italian clubs (Palermo, Chievo, Fiorentina, Napoli, Reggiana, Siena, Modena...) found themselves in a similar situation to inter's and have faced actual full on bankrupcy, but maybe the rules can be bent for inter as usual.
this whole thing is nothing new, inter (usually alongside juve) have always been relieved of the responsibility of following rules everyone else has to abide to.
hope the sources help, have a very nice day.
www.strettoweb.com/2023/06/guerra-reggina-sistema-calcio-23-anni-200-societa-fallite/1539191/
www.caughtoffside.com/2023/12/28/inter-milan-are-on-the-verge-of-bankruptcy-despite-player-sales/
www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2023/06/09/manchester-city-e-inter-la-finale-di-champions-league-e-la-sconfitta-del-fair-play-finanziario/7185484/
www.ilsole24ore.com/art/violazione-fair-play-finanziario-multe-milionarie-juve-milan-inter-e-roma-AEVT8LxB?refresh_ce=1
www.calciomercato.com/news/inter-mazzola-choc-sui-caffe-di-herrera-aveva-ragione-mio-fratel-352186
www.goal.com/it/notizie/telefonata-inequivocabile-tra-facchetti-e-bergamo-bertini/blt8d63405c68456e13
www.calciomercato.com/news/debiti-in-percentuale-sui-ricavi-il-milan-e-la-big-che-ne-ha-men-99532
www.eurosport.it/calcio/serie-a/2023-2024/i-bilanci-dei-club-juventus-roma-e-inter-con-il-segno-meno.-sorridono-milan-e-napoli_sto10013004/story.shtml
www.calcioefinanza.it/2024/01/03/debiti-squadre-serie-a-juventus-inter-milan/
www.dagospia.com/rubrica-30/sport/intrigo-inter-nazionale-perche-nessuno-ha-mai-comunicato-prima-che-396336.htm
Day 6 of asking for a run vlog
I dont know any chinese ownership that end well,stop selling club to this china owner
Italian football isn't important anymore. The national team has declined, and the league isn't entertaining globally.
Serie A was by far the most succesful league this European season and if I'm not mistaken, the Italian league currently has the 2nd highest UEFA country coefficient.
Why the outrage? It's perfectly normal to put up an asset as collateral for a loan and it's perfectly normal for a creditor to seize the asset if the debtor cannot pay.
Also, why are you worried that they want to make money out of the deal? If you're an Inter fan, would you want your club to be profitable or loss making?
Also, what is being traded is the business structure if Inter, not "the club". If you have a restaurant and you sell it, you sell the shares of the company that owns the restaurant.
As for a financial company running the club, again, I'm not sure where the problem is. It's not like a bunch of accountants and financial analysts are going to deal with the day to day running of Inter. That's not how it works. The company is simply going to hire football executives to run it. In fact, it's likely that the same people who run the club now are going to be running the club under Oak Tree. Only the top echelons of managers is going to change. Oak Tree is not going to run Inter anymore that Bayer AG is running Bayer Leverkusen. It's just the company that owns the capital.
I'm gonna be honest you kind of pissed me off while watching this. Because you show so little understanding of how things are and the history of Serie A. At least the Serie A isn't a sellout league like Premier League, where the working man almost cant get a ticket anymore since the prices are so ridiculously high... Do we have a lot of work to do with the league, yeah we do. But are we competing, yeah i would say we are, when we have two teams this year in finals. Last year two in the finals and three in the semi-finals...
chinese classic money ripoff
16 likes in 3 min. Bro fell way off
Bro fell off
No views in 16sec your falling off