@@theturkeysopinion speaking of the 10mm..... for me, I think Hornady and Underwood makes some of the best 10mm factory loads on the market, and even heard some good things about Grizzly and Buffalo Bore, when it comes to their 10mm loads as well.
The Lehigh projectiles are our go to when we go hog hunting it's either that or hardcastle. You're correct it's barrier blind. it'll go right through bone and keep doing damage. I've never shot that light of a grain, but I got confidence in doing it now. Great testing keep it up we love it can't wait to see it out of the carbine
Yo MM! I always remember bill wilson talking about testing all these things out on hogs. I'm glad we don't have them up here but we do miss out.I'm getting to do the testing in real life. We will be testing the one hundred and one forty in the next two days.👍👍👍👍👍🦃👊
@@theturkeysopinion This channel gave me the confidence to start reloading. And it opened up an entire new world. I appreciate the real content. I'll get the next one for you. Thank you sir
Great test, Mr. T! Your velocities are right in line with the results I get with the same ammo, which unfortunately has been discontinued by Lehigh (now owned by Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat fame). The new bullet is 115 grains. With the 100 gr. bullets my Glock 29 averages 1688 fps and my Glock 40 gets 1852 while it gets 1960 with the Lone Wolf 9" barrel. I'm interested to see what it will be out of the LC since I have one on order. Your gel results are excellent as well and are again, right in line with my own and what others have gotten in gel (my tests were in water). These bullets are a lot more visually impressive when shot into 10% ordance gel although the numbers are similar. They are equally impressive when shot into flesh, something I saw when a 9mm bullet was fired into a previously killed 125 lb pig. It was hit in the shoulder and the bullet went thru both shoulders, stopping just under the hide on the off side. Everything between where the bullet stopped and the entrance was basically mush! That test is what convinced me to start carrying this ammo, as I now believe these are the best bullets for self/home defense money can buy! Unfortunately, the pig necropsy vid was pulled by u tube. I am also very pleased with the total penetration and it is exactly what I want to see in any bullet I carry in a handgun. I am not in the least opposed to exit holes as they are generally at the end of a bullets travel and any little bit of energy wasted is ok with me! Short of something nuclear, I can't imagine a bullet working any better than these! Cheers, jc
@@timg7627 It depends on the company you work for. I’ve worked for one company that issued weapon and ammo. Armored car companies allow you to carry your own weapon and ammo (within certain parameters). The company I just started working for allows you to carry your own weapon and ammo as well.
I want everyone to know that because of TTO's channel and his use of the Springfield 10mm, I bought this exact same model and it's a great pistol as stated. I may try a DPM recoil system in the future but it's not bad on the hand/wrist and I'm 67yo if that tells you anything. As a drummer, I'm curious what that bass drum is doing at the range.....LOL! McLuvin this 10mm series.....Thanks!
Been waiting for this one...thanks Turkey. Anxious to see what Mr Ruger will do. Both my 10mm love the Underwood Extreme ammo. Love 10mm. My home defense Sig P320 X is loaded up with Platinum Xtreme Defender 115gr. My woods/hunting gun, Kimber Super Jagare is loaded with Xtreme Hunter 150gr.
Thx. I doubt I'll ever buy a 10mm. Already have .41 mag. Thinking of getting .41 special from Starline to load. They have an article on loading it which lists a 215 grain swc over 10 grains of Unique at 1232 fps out of the 6.5" Blackhawk. Good match for 10mm.
Great video buddy. Well done! Love the xdm 3.8 and love the extreme defender rounds. Twice the penetration as a jacketed hollow point with twice wound channel. Nastiest round avaliable.
Love it, great video and my favorite monolithic Lehigh projectile, can't wait to see what velocities you will get out of the carbine version. Also imagine what this will do out of a .40 Super. There is also I believe a 115 grain version of this.
Yes! For the carbine, this and the 140gr. XP… also, how well do these maintain accuracy at over 75 yds.? Seems like this design projectile tends to drift off course around 50-75 yds.
@@theturkeysopinionlooking forward to your videos! I believe it was Gun Sam_Revolver Aficionado_ that displayed the LeHeigh style bullets deviating when fired at distance from a handgun. I just bought a 10mm LC Carbine and impressed with the grip’s ergonomics. Glock could learn from Ruger! Itching to shoot it soon! Thank you for all you do for us!
Per the deviation. Even in the middle I’ve seen the extreme defender deviate. It’s not a favorite bullet because of that. Great testing TTO!! Loving the series!!
Interesting🤔 I wonder why does that.... It's crazy how a hallow point can do its thing and travel straighter.... But this thing theoretically should be perfectly balanced🤷♂️ Thanks TBP!👍👍👍👊🦃
@@theturkeysopinion Also, I've seen it deviate in 10mm and not in 9mm (but just saw it do it again in 380 acp...). Very odd. Also, I've seen it do it in other medium (water) with other channels too with 10mm.
A solid projectile in a longer barrel should penetrate farther but a holliwpoint will have the longer barrel penetrating less due to more energy tranfer earlier!
I have been watching a lot of these solid copper fluted projectiles lately.🤔 I am starting to see their usefulness.🤷♂ I am very curious to see them out of the carbine because I think these could possibly be a good hunting option out of the carbine.👍 The other place they seem to perform better than traditional hollow points is actually out of a .380 ACP.🤷♂ But I am glad to see the industry look at lead alternatives, there was a lot of push from the anti hunting crowd for more "environmentally friendly" options back in the 90's. I think the environmental damage aspect of it has been largely discredited today, but you know how those perceptions can linger amongst those ignorant on firearms.🤷♂
The proof is in the pudding, or gel. I have been relying on underwood (Lehigh) loads for quite a while. I know it’s not ever going to clog, or fail to disrupt fluid dynamically. I have not yet witnessed a Lehigh fail yet.
9:42 yep, that is meters per second (m/s) and that is ridiculously fast for a pistol round. Yes, barrierblindness is a reason why these bullets exist. And another one: there are jurisdictions, where deforming bullets are illegal. So these here come in handy as an alternative.
It was funny when TN Outdoors9 tested the 9mm extreme penetrator and it went completely through his gel blocks. It was one of those what did you expect when it says extreme penetrator on the box?
I like the Lehigh bullet especially powered by Underwood. I need to update my Antiquated reloading system but the first die set I will buy will be 10 mm.
Well because this is the "10mm Ammo Test Series" #23 actually. I explained in the video that I don't want to screw up our normal procedure. People are. Used to the exact same protocol in the previous 22 tests. Furthermore the LC has it's own audience with some overlap. Keeping the LC separate helps more interested people see it. Thanks for watching👍🦃👊
Have you considered loading a Berrys plated 180 grain plated flat nose from the 400 legend? It’s not supposed to be an expanding projectile but it also says it won’t perform like an fmj above 1500fps. I’m curious as to how it would deform and penetrate in gel.
These rounds tumble. The "external hollow point" idea with the flutes causing significant cavitation hence tissue damage has been refuted as far as the wounding effect. Not saying that's a bad thing necessarily but people should understand what these rounds do/don't do. They are remarkably consistent which is a plus. Thanks for all the work you do. I'm a faithful subscriber.
@@theturkeysopinion I probably have seen them all I have a 3.8 x d e also, just didn't remember off the top of my dome the mother two companies are really good and one does copper better than most companies do in a handgun
loving this 10mm series
Thank you for watching it!🦃👊👍
@@theturkeysopinion speaking of the 10mm.....
for me, I think Hornady and Underwood makes some of the best 10mm factory loads on the market, and even heard some good things about Grizzly and Buffalo Bore, when it comes to their 10mm loads as well.
Calls himself an average shooter. Proceeds to destroy the X ring.
The late "average shooter" Paul at least had flyers.
Well done.
Lol. Thank you sir for the comment👍
I really like these solid coppers for accuracy in handguns.
Thanks for watching!🦃👊👍👍👍👍
Right?! Drilled a 1/2" hole with those defenders lol.
XDM is severely underrated.
That is a powerful load! Whatever gets shot with that stuff, it is done.
This really is the best channel for thorough, no BS testing
The Lehigh projectiles are our go to when we go hog hunting it's either that or hardcastle. You're correct it's barrier blind. it'll go right through bone and keep doing damage. I've never shot that light of a grain, but I got confidence in doing it now. Great testing keep it up we love it can't wait to see it out of the carbine
Yo MM! I always remember bill wilson talking about testing all these things out on hogs. I'm glad we don't have them up here but we do miss out.I'm getting to do the testing in real life.
We will be testing the one hundred and one forty in the next two days.👍👍👍👍👍🦃👊
@@theturkeysopinion This channel gave me the confidence to start reloading. And it opened up an entire new world. I appreciate the real content. I'll get the next one for you. Thank you sir
@@michaelmcmillan2776 That is awesome! It is definitely life changing for people in this hobby/world.
I hope he's a good one!😁
Thanks brother!!!👍👊🦃
My favorite mm!
Great test, Mr. T! Your velocities are right in line with the results I get with the same ammo, which unfortunately has been discontinued by Lehigh (now owned by Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat fame). The new bullet is 115 grains. With the 100 gr. bullets my Glock 29 averages 1688 fps and my Glock 40 gets 1852 while it gets 1960 with the Lone Wolf 9" barrel. I'm interested to see what it will be out of the LC since I have one on order. Your gel results are excellent as well and are again, right in line with my own and what others have gotten in gel (my tests were in water). These bullets are a lot more visually impressive when shot into 10% ordance gel although the numbers are similar. They are equally impressive when shot into flesh, something I saw when a 9mm bullet was fired into a previously killed 125 lb pig. It was hit in the shoulder and the bullet went thru both shoulders, stopping just under the hide on the off side. Everything between where the bullet stopped and the entrance was basically mush! That test is what convinced me to start carrying this ammo, as I now believe these are the best bullets for self/home defense money can buy! Unfortunately, the pig necropsy vid was pulled by u tube. I am also very pleased with the total penetration and it is exactly what I want to see in any bullet I carry in a handgun. I am not in the least opposed to exit holes as they are generally at the end of a bullets travel and any little bit of energy wasted is ok with me! Short of something nuclear, I can't imagine a bullet working any better than these!
Cheers,
jc
Rockin it man! ❤
👍👍👍👍🦃👊👊We Will!👍
The Ruger 10mm LC Carbine is the one EVERYONE wants, it's a perfect PCC. If you can find one.
Looks like good two-legged critter medicine
That gel block is a keeper. What a great example!!!!
A plus again can't wait to see that carbine test
The underwood 150 gr nosler hollow point has a more violent wound channel I think.
Now that’s exiting. Thanks for adding it to the series
These are my chosen duty rounds. I like that they carry the impact through the target. Would be interesting as a rifle round.
Your Duty rounds? As in you work in law enforcement and are able to choose what rounds you carry??
@@timg7627 Armed security and yes
@@thePrussian thats interesting. I’ve never heard that before. I also thought rounds were issued.
@@timg7627 It depends on the company you work for. I’ve worked for one company that issued weapon and ammo. Armored car companies allow you to carry your own weapon and ammo (within certain parameters). The company I just started working for allows you to carry your own weapon and ammo as well.
I want everyone to know that because of TTO's channel and his use of the Springfield 10mm, I bought this exact same model and it's a great pistol as stated. I may try a DPM recoil system in the future but it's not bad on the hand/wrist and I'm 67yo if that tells you anything.
As a drummer, I'm curious what that bass drum is doing at the range.....LOL! McLuvin this 10mm series.....Thanks!
First time viewer here. Great upload very informative, Subbed keep em coming.
Thanks for watching! Welcome to the channel!👍🦃👊
Please test 10mm 180 grain XTP Buffalo Bore. Thats considered by many to be the best 10mm round
Been waiting for this one...thanks Turkey. Anxious to see what Mr Ruger will do. Both my 10mm love the Underwood Extreme ammo.
Love 10mm. My home defense Sig P320 X is loaded up with Platinum Xtreme Defender 115gr. My woods/hunting gun, Kimber Super Jagare is loaded with Xtreme Hunter 150gr.
Love these videos
Thx. I doubt I'll ever buy a 10mm. Already have .41 mag. Thinking of getting .41 special from Starline to load. They have an article on loading it which lists a 215 grain swc over 10 grains of Unique at 1232 fps out of the 6.5" Blackhawk. Good match for 10mm.
I run the 115gr ED in my XTen, extremely reliable and accurate. Might have to try these.
Great video buddy. Well done! Love the xdm 3.8 and love the extreme defender rounds. Twice the penetration as a jacketed hollow point with twice wound channel. Nastiest round avaliable.
Love it, great video and my favorite monolithic Lehigh projectile, can't wait to see what velocities you will get out of the carbine version. Also imagine what this will do out of a .40 Super. There is also I believe a 115 grain version of this.
Love the series for bear defense I would have to see it going through fresh bone not dried out.
Yes! For the carbine, this and the 140gr. XP… also, how well do these maintain accuracy at over 75 yds.? Seems like this design projectile tends to drift off course around 50-75 yds.
We have recorded them both in the LC!😁👍👍👍 We will be putting them out over the next two days.
I have never tried them at distance actually🤔
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@@theturkeysopinionlooking forward to your videos! I believe it was Gun Sam_Revolver Aficionado_ that displayed the LeHeigh style bullets deviating when fired at distance from a handgun.
I just bought a 10mm LC Carbine and impressed with the grip’s ergonomics. Glock could learn from Ruger! Itching to shoot it soon! Thank you for all you do for us!
I’ve shot these through my 8” banshee at 100 yds. I ended up with a 3-4” group. No windage drift
G9 out performs underwood at distance
I use it in 9mm, 10mm, and 44mag. Would love to see your carbine test looking forward to it.
Da ten millimater🎉 😂. Love dem underwoods🎉🎉
Thank you from Florida
Reatree video. Looking forward to the test through the Ruger LC Carbine.
good info thanks for video.
Thanks for watching it!
Sweet!!! Im really excited to see how the extreme penetrators perform in the carbine... Do you think it will clear 2 gel slabs?
looking forward to the carbine test
There is also the Xtreme Hunter for 10mm from Underwood.
@The Turkey's Opinion I think you should try out the Hogue finger groove grip for your 1911. They look cool and comfortable
finally back no bench rest😊.
Lol😁🤣👍👊👊👊👊🦃
Per the deviation. Even in the middle I’ve seen the extreme defender deviate. It’s not a favorite bullet because of that. Great testing TTO!! Loving the series!!
Interesting🤔 I wonder why does that....
It's crazy how a hallow point can do its thing and travel straighter.... But this thing theoretically should be perfectly balanced🤷♂️
Thanks TBP!👍👍👍👊🦃
@@theturkeysopinion Also, I've seen it deviate in 10mm and not in 9mm (but just saw it do it again in 380 acp...). Very odd. Also, I've seen it do it in other medium (water) with other channels too with 10mm.
A solid projectile in a longer barrel should penetrate farther but a holliwpoint will have the longer barrel penetrating less due to more energy tranfer earlier!
I would love to see the Underwood Extreme hunter and the Double Tap 155 tac xp.
I have been watching a lot of these solid copper fluted projectiles lately.🤔 I am starting to see their usefulness.🤷♂ I am very curious to see them out of the carbine because I think these could possibly be a good hunting option out of the carbine.👍 The other place they seem to perform better than traditional hollow points is actually out of a .380 ACP.🤷♂
But I am glad to see the industry look at lead alternatives, there was a lot of push from the anti hunting crowd for more "environmentally friendly" options back in the 90's. I think the environmental damage aspect of it has been largely discredited today, but you know how those perceptions can linger amongst those ignorant on firearms.🤷♂
The proof is in the pudding, or gel. I have been relying on underwood (Lehigh) loads for quite a while. I know it’s not ever going to clog, or fail to disrupt fluid dynamically. I have not yet witnessed a Lehigh fail yet.
@@tormentorxl2732 Agreed, they definitely seem to behave as advertised.👍
9:42 yep, that is meters per second (m/s) and that is ridiculously fast for a pistol round.
Yes, barrierblindness is a reason why these bullets exist. And another one: there are jurisdictions, where deforming bullets are illegal. So these here come in handy as an alternative.
A 95 grain G9 ehp would be an excellent comparison to this underwood ammo
It was funny when TN Outdoors9 tested the 9mm extreme penetrator and it went completely through his gel blocks. It was one of those what did you expect when it says extreme penetrator on the box?
It does get a little pokey.😃👍🦃👊
I remember that test. He got pretty sour trying to catch one of those bullets! Lol
Just looked it up. The Springer has a RH twist and the Colt has a LH twist. Wonder if that’s why the bullets deviated opposite each other?
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I like the Lehigh bullet especially powered by Underwood. I need to update my Antiquated reloading system but the first die set I will buy will be 10 mm.
You’ve tested a ton of 10mm if you had to pick the perfect deer hunting round in 10mm what would you choose using a 4.6” barrel?
Why not include the LC with these?
Well because this is the "10mm Ammo Test Series" #23 actually. I explained in the video that I don't want to screw up our normal procedure. People are.
Used to the exact same protocol in the previous 22 tests. Furthermore the LC has it's own audience with some overlap.
Keeping the LC separate helps more interested people see it.
Thanks for watching👍🦃👊
Have you considered loading a Berrys plated 180 grain plated flat nose from the 400 legend? It’s not supposed to be an expanding projectile but it also says it won’t perform like an fmj above 1500fps. I’m curious as to how it would deform and penetrate in gel.
Wow
Wonder which Chrono is more accurate since they both have different readings every time
How is the defender different from the extreme Hunter in 10 mm?
I suspect that those bullets' terminal ballistics would benefit from a faster twist-rate barrel.
Xtreme hunter also in 10mm
504 mps is 1,653.5433 FPS… no I’m not European, but I know how to use Google… 😂 love my 6” barreled 1911 Girsan Hunter… I put a green dot on it.
Underwood Is supposedly going to get rid of the 100 gr. X-Treme defender in 10mm.
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How does this recoil compae to the other Extreme loads? I am looking for a sweet spot. Not as light as .40 but not as stout as 1200 @ 200 grn
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So what happened to the YT explanation at the beginning of your videos. In an odd way I actually appreciate them.
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These rounds tumble. The "external hollow point" idea with the flutes causing significant cavitation hence tissue damage has been refuted as far as the wounding effect. Not saying that's a bad thing necessarily but people should understand what these rounds do/don't do. They are remarkably consistent which is a plus. Thanks for all the work you do. I'm a faithful subscriber.
Where they have been refuted? Because I've seen dozens of tests of this design and never saw any with significant tumble.
In shorter barrels I've seen tumbling only
Brands you have not done grizzly ,stienals and defiant, start by trying to get that 200 grain grizzly phenomenal.
Thank me later ☺️
We have done Grizzly. 180 and 200. Check em out. 👍👊🦃
@@theturkeysopinion I probably have seen them all I have a 3.8 x d e also, just didn't remember off the top of my dome the mother two companies are really good and one does copper better than most companies do in a handgun
Pretty underwhelming for 10mm. I'm sure it's effective enough
Underwhelming????😂😂😂😂
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