Toyota Engines Can BREAK? (Camry STALL- RATTLE P0015-P0017) - REPAIRS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2023
- We have the expensive hard-to-get Exhaust VVT Phaser on-hand to repair this STALLING/rattling 2011 Toyota Camry.
Book time is over 4 hours to install the new VVT phaser...let's get to it!
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Ivan - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
A few months? Nope, just eight hours 😂
and ya kno..... the process of major repairs requiring lots of part/bolt/screw/nut/connector/whatever removal makes the tech implant lots of data in da brain as to where everything goes. So maybe learning all of those history dates in school were appropriate to FORCE the brain to memorize.
As in - - - - > to me the HARDEST element of repair is having a system of reconstructing the teardown. So MUCH stuff!
That engine is extremely clean inside!
The owner did a great job keeping up on oil changes.
Too bad interior wasn’t very clean.
@@JohnSmith-lw2bmyou're the type of person that finds faults im everything
@@drivewayhero You're the sort of person who celebrates failure.
@@Malc180s not sure you know what you are saying, possible that you have a couple of loose nuts in your head that need tightening
@@JohnSmith-lw2bm That is how I keep my cars. Look like crap so thieves leave it alone.
You know you’ve come full circle when you can make tools that you don’t have! Also, what a win for the customer getting a Toyota part in SMP box! 🇺🇸
Yeah. Standard Motor Products is my go to for VVT sprockets. You get the surprises like the OEM Toyota parts.
Before the arm chair mechanics freak out about parts in the pan Ive been rebuilding diesels for over 20 years and the parts and chunks I have found in pans is no big deal once they find the bottom of the pan they stay there Its the plastic and gaskets, O rings that clog up the pick up tube
Echlin here in Branford, Connecticut used to make parts for Standard Motor Parts (especially ignition parts), and they were very good aftermarket parts. Sadly they left about 20 years ago to become part of a larger company and are now just a memory.
That homemade hex was absolutely brilliant.
IT's funny that you showed the factory part in the aftermarket box, I had people say I made it up in a video I did on a Ford part in a Standard box, lol.
Nice work as usual!
Oh gee, someone left the shims out.
I had a guy leave the caliper bolts loose and the spindle nuts on all four wheels when I had him do my brakes on my Peugeot. 😮😮
Good job Ivan! 😊😊
In the 1960’s, made in Japan was considered junk. Now in 2023, made in Japan is a premium product.
I have had good luck with Standard Motor parts being re-boxed Toyota and Honda OEM parts. They are a little pricey compared to other aftermarket brands, but well worth it if you end up with an OEM part.
IPD USA has a great explanation about OEM, OES, etc. For some Volvo parts, the parts are actually made by a different company (e.g. aisin) and sold for cheaper by those companies, and sometimes they even sell revised, improved parts.
If the part is bought directly from the original manufacturer, they will be cheaper except they don't come in Volvo box or they might have the Volvo logos filed off the parts.
At least IPD may recommend a good aftermarket part over the original if the aftermarket is improved in some way such as better durability. It is real interesting stuff !
Sounds like Toyota has made that phaser part themselves since it has their name stamped on it, or a company working with Toyota, but how did that aftermarket company get that genuine Toyota part?
Look up Hyundai phaser failure from migrated pin. Just fixed my buddy's 2017 Elantra 2.0 mpi. Worn and stretched chain, destroyed tensioner ratcheting, and ripped up phaser that was off by almost 10°. Runs great now, with a new chain and phaser set (OEM)
How many miles?
It's absolutely incredible that this customer did not crash their valves this is one of the worst case scenarios on this particular issue
I did the job following this video, my cam phaser broke in the exact same way. I got extremely lucky and found the broken piece when I removed the timing tensioner cover, it was wedged between the timing tensioner and the timing cover. I couldn’t believe my eyes.
What year was your Camry that you had to do the repair on @@servandogarcia941
I am a retired machinist and i go and get an allen wrench, cut off a chunk and add it to my tool collection, but your solution is cheeper to make and faster!
Good job, Ivan! Possibly the spring broke first and the carnage inside came as a consequence - those 90º bends on such strong springs are a weak point that has to hold all the force.
Brake pad shims are optional :-)
Great that customer was very pleased - that's the important part.
The turn radius is doable but tight. Toyota engineers could have made an different design. Maybe that is the one, which was unavailable? I worked for a short time at Imatra Ovako Steel mill in the 1980's. At special products unit we made gun barrels for Finnish military, camshaft steel for Ford Germany, coil spring steel for Volvo and Saab.
Volvo gave us an medal, for delivering spring steel, which did not crack even when the car was absolutely totaled in the accident.
The Volvo accident investigation team could almost every time dig out intact coil springs out of an total wreck. That is the high quality spring steel what Toyota designed the original phaser with and became a victim of sub standard steel later.
It is an art to produce this high quality steel. As Asian producers got to the the market with lower prices we Finns were unable to compete with, that is the result. Toyota original design failing due spring steel not conforming in reality with original specification in the long term.
To make spring steel to last bending for the life of an Toyota, which is more than 180 k miles, cheaper steel is not good enough.
@@jannepo I completely agree - It is an art to produce the high quality steel required for these springs. Maybe cutting costs (or a change in contractors) was one of the factors.
its a nice change to see you working on other task instead of tracking down electrical gremlins even though you still have to use the scanner and trace things, good video, Thank You!
Nailed it! Great job Ivan! Hope none of the "kibbles and bits" find their way into the critical moving parts.
Seeing an OEM part come from a SMP box makes me feel better about using their various parts. I replaced the headlight control switch in my 2001 Durango with a SMP part and it was upgraded to the version with the backlight, nice little upgrade 😊
Good Lord this guy was lucky! This very issue destroyed many a first gen 2GR-FE 3.5 L V6 in the late 2000s.
Good for another 100K. It is super clean under the valve cover.
Honda’s have had their fair share of cam phaser problems on the 2.4L for a long time as well. Not grenading like this Camry but extremely noisy on cold startup after the oil has had time to drain out of them.
Very good diagnosis I was thinking it might be a phaser whenever I heard it rattle on more than one start The customer is extremely lucky that it didn't jump timing
I used to have to do parking brake updates on Certain Deere machines about 23 years ago was able to easily meet or exceed the Book time but just not on the first few Machines, Experience matters and makes all the difference, Unless one can't speed up with repetitive work, Most can just not everyone 😅.
Nice diagnosis and repair Ivan.
Great technical skills Ivan.
Of course customer is happy! They took it to Pine Hollow Diag! Thanks for video, Ivan.
Great diy on makeing improvised tool to take off the cover keep up the good work man
You are truly an auto surgeon Ivan. That was a great video
Awesome as always Ivan!
Great job Ivan. As long as the car goes don't worry about the brakes...🤣
so nice when a plan comes together. this was a prime example of research paid off thanks for sharing
Good job Ivan. Lucky with the Standard part being a reboxed Toyota part.
Thanks for the video. Ivan fixed it again.
Usually the damage caused to the Intake and/or Exhaust Cam Phasers is caused by a lack of maintenance. Thank you Ivan. Appreciate your videos.
Usually... But not this time 😅
Smashing repair ivan :-D
the owner is lucky you were doing the repair.
If the car was sent to an unknown repair shop, the owner might have to sell a kidney to afford it lol.
Dealer ships... lets not go there lol.
Love your glad to see you doing more videos
Great Job Ivan as always. To properly diag internal damage is very difficult, you doing it looks like a breeze. Toyota makes it a bit easier as how its designed, not like BMW or Merch. Fantastic job. Thanks.
Nice repair! Just another Phaser day at PHAD.
I know I've said this before in your comment section, but SMP parts especially for Asian vehicles, excellent in my experience. Years ago, I purchased an SMP camshaft position (TDC) sensor, for an 01 Civic. Never had an issue, could have been OEM too for all I know. Not surprised this one re-boxed OEM. Nice job again Ivan, but Scotty Kilmer not sure this find on the up and up. 😉
"What about that Scotty Kilmer" Loved it LOL
Nice diag ivan👍the carnage afterwards was massy
Very common issue on the “AR” family engines. In my case it was a venza with the 1AR engine. Made sure I took out the timing chain cover and also remove the bottom plate to take out shattered metals from the cam sprocket(exhaust side). Here is one thing I also considered making me take out the entire chain cover. Timing could have jumped and didn’t want to take that risk of not setting my points correctly. Well done
Back orders...lmfao..i have had to order some parts for.. my 1997. Mark iv Toyota supra from a parts dealer in Japan...they have everything
I totally called that from the symptom. I said, cam phasor. I didn't expect to be right though! Cool video!!
Great info..great way of replacing phaser lot of time savings...cheers
Tools made out of necessity are the best!!! I have lots of them. They're lucky the broken piece didn't get caught in the crank sprocket and break the chain. I had one do that and the head had to come off to replace bent valves. Nice work!!!!!!
That was particularly relevant to me - the wife's '07 is just over 200,000 miles now. You certainly made it look easy! I've been wondering if the timing chain might be worn. No check engine light so far, though. I treated the transmission to some new ATF today, thinking that might head off some trouble. $18 a quart at my local Toyota dealer!
At 200K you should NEVER touch the A/T fluid unless you've changed it every 60K miles (more or less)......
Another job well done.✌
Great job awesome info
3:06 Weld... Deez NUTZ!
Great Video
Yooooooo!!!!! Two in one day!!!!!! You got my attention!
Just had one of these come in the shop !
perfect video as always
Well done Ivan, looked a bit tricky, i think you made that look easier than it actually was...F.
It looks like you'd overtorkqed that first bolt in camshaft by beating it with Milwaukee, so when you'd try to tork it by hand there was no movement at all at 63FP. I wonder how was torq on camshafts clamps where you also used smaller impact driver.
I needed one of those last spring in a V6 Lexus. The Lexus dealer said 800 but it was special order and they didn't know when it would be in. I asked the parts person to run the same part number under Toyota parts department. It was available next day for 250! They didn't know the parts were interchangeable!😂😂😂 independent shops now have to be part hunters. I have about five local places and still have to resort to web purchases to get people rolling again.
Thanks Ivan!
great job
The car care nut explains this phaser problem in detail
Thanks for the video 👍
You're the best Ivan, think about selling some products to help fix cars?
Great repair Ivan.
@@Michael_J_M14 it's not floating around... A couple metal chunks are heavier than oil LOL
@@Michael_J_M14 I don't think the Camry is going to the race track and pulling 1g corners to slosh anything around 😜
great video wish you would have shown the removal and installation of the chain tensioner.
Just 2 bolts...
I would've fished the broken camshaft phasor parts out with a magnetic wand which are very handy.
I can remember 30 years ago it might've been me who dropped a magnetic part into an oil pit when I was doing work experience as a 15 year.old.wotk experience kid & the mechanic pulled out his telescopic magnetic wand to fish it out of the oil pit so I have bought one since which has been invaluable !
Have a 2014 in shop now with chain rattle at 200k miles, second time on this one, we're replacing BOTH cam phasers and chain kit got lucky found parts on Amazon as Toyota is 3 months out back order! All the Littles oil seals only toyota has them!
Awesome im going in.
Luckily this is a 2010+ XV40 Camry, with the less oil burning 2AR vs the 2AZ predecessor
Good work as usual Ivan 👌
One thing to be super cautious about is removing the cam caps. The valve springs have upward tension on the cam lobes and removing the caps little by little alternating them all until most tension is gone is real important as there are some risks that the spring tension might crack the cam if not evenly removing those caps. It does make sense.
To check the VVTi go on the freeway and drive as normal but at high speed. Then hit the peddle and see if you've still got descent acceleration. The VVTi kicks in above about 4000 revs I believe.
Great job as always sir👍🍻
I know you don't want to hear it, but you need to pull the pan and check for metal. That stuff can clog up the pickup tube, and he'll need more than a phaser at that point.
I do Cars shows that often
I guess the customer was on an extreme budget. Or the customer wanted to do that himself/wait for the next oil change.
It's a couple big chunks vs the forbidden glitter or bearing material 😉
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I mean technically those chunks could somehow get through a gap in the baffle plate (but not sure how that looks in this case) and wreck havoc there. Unlikely but not impossible, I'd guess.
One can always cut the Can of the oil filter and inspect the paper element inside as well for shiny's...Thanks Ivan Great sounding engine keep it up👍
Excellent
At least there is no UAW in a Toyota factory. That translates to better working attitude and in turn, better product
Might have done both.
Toyota does this so the customer needs a new vehicle. Great job Ivan. Always enjoy your work and explanation while doind so
I was half-expecting the bonus footage to be adding or repairing the 'shims' in the brakes.
2years ago my transmission was on backorder and its still on backorder right now lol so im going to rebuild it lol
I made the same tool for removing the front wheel on my Triumph
Maybe I've just been blessed in my 30 plus years of turning wrenches, but I've only seen that phaser break one other time. I think I would have pulled the oil pan though. But that's just me. I'm not comfortable with taking chances like that. I've had a pretty good track record with standard motor parts. I would prefer them whenever possible. Nice work though Ivan. Do you know if the customer had taken care of those brake pads though?
Wow, few months since the last video ?? Haha. I've never seen failed phaser happen on Toyota's. That's rare. But I'm not so sure not checking the oil pan for the missing parts. I would if it was my job. Otherwise great video Ivan!!
actually they keep parts in some cases for even longer i was able to get a new turn signal lens for my 79 toyota truck new for 6 bucks from the dealer and a passenger seat cable for my 88 4runner which allows the seat to fold forward and roll to the front to let passengers in the back that was a bit more expensive at 56 bucks but they had them
Amazing!
Awesome
Bonus footage: customer hit tree when front brake pads fell off. ☺
I like your bolt and wrench work. That inside looks great for 180k engine. Just had my kia cams out at 190k, phaser was ok, head gasket under it, not so much.
What's up with these EPDM hoses? It took a lot of money to find all real rubber hoses for the car.
Thanks for posting this! I have a 12 Camry 2.5 with the 1-2 Second startup rattle. Some say the startup rattle is normal but I'm not sure...
I have the same 12’ Camry 2.5 how many miles do u have
@@adriancruz630 120k mi
The customer got his money out of that Camry long ago Ivan! Next breakdown will be something big being close to 200,000 miles!
Cool. That worked out good.
Have you tried to get a Repairlink account? It's great. You can look up OEM parts in detail, get pricing, availability etc. It also shows all the vehicle build specs - like what gear ratio does this have, how many amp alternator did it come with, etc.
The Ford ecoboost had a lot of phaser issues for a while there.
Nice
Scotty would have some excuse for why that's broken. Lol
Hi
The change in cam phaser angle don't show in normal driving on the scan tool.
They only show change when doing a bi directional active test
Any idea where to get a wiring diagram for a 2016 Rogue SL. Apparently my front running lights are kaput. Strange that just the front marker lights would go out. The rear works just fine and the high low headlights and driving lights work fine.
I like the Scotty Kilmer comment, Ivan. However, he calls Toyota out as well from time to time. IIRC his son has/had a 2008 Camry that burns oil. My neighbor has a 2008 that smokes like a chimney upon startup in addition to rattling. Seems they used substandard piston rings that year. Since the owner did such a good job with oil changes (hence the clean engine) I wonder if he/she attempted a front brake job and left out the spring clip shims on the front brake pads? GREAT VIDEO!
Brake hardware left out so the pads actually float instead of rust solid.. "Improved repair method" LOL
Small anti rattle clip missing.
Ford f150’s were famous for their phasors going out. Like 1997-2009 model years. Called the triton 5.4 and 4.6. Ever hear of those engines???
job jobbed at sensible cost and for a customer with no brake hardware I guess job cost is big priority lol .
At least the teardown all fairly well contained, would of sucked if needed pull the chain cover .
I can get spare parts for my 26 year old Toyota hilux but they are not OEM parts l don't go to Toyota l go to a spare parts shop and l live in Australia and the motor industry is heavily regulated that is from spare parts right through to mechanical repair shops it covers everything to do with motor vehicles and there is a very good apprenticeship scheme its one of many things we got from the british
Interesting safety boots….
Same 2007 Mini Cooper non-Turbo
Car Care Nut also released a video about this exact problem on another engine at almost the same time this video appeared.
He's copying me 😆
Yamaha motorcycle genuine coil pack made by Mitsubishi: £240 each from Yamaha. Same identical Mitsubishi coil pack from a 3rd party (with the same Mitsubishi logo and part number on the unit): £52.