THE SETUP & WALK-AROUND - UMC 500 - Pierson Workholding
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
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We're getting our UMC 500 all set up here at Pierson Workholding. Follow along as we show the leveling process and reveal the unexpected accessories that came with the machine.
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Seventeen thirtyseconds drill.. dont know how you live with imperial :) Cant wait too see the machine in production!
Absolutely hyped so see you use this machine, congrats
Yeah! So excited to see what product ideas you have for 5 axis.
Programmable coolant = WIN. I love it.
The position of the tool setter gives you a fighting chance of calibration. If it was in the back corner, you would have to climb inside the machine to calibrate.
The tool carousel window is great - so easy to see what is in the machine!
The usable workspace in this machine is surprisingly big. At first glance it looks small, but after diving in - it is REALLY nice relative to putting a trunnion on a vertical machine.
Loving this thing......
I use IBC totes under all my Haas machine and when its fill we pick it up with the forklift and drain out coolant back into the machine. keeps the floor clean and we mostly cut ALU all day so it works great for us.
Haas has a program you can run to set the pcool automatically for all the tools based on the length. Comes in handy.
Just found your channel and am loving it! 🤙
I always love to see new machine candy!
Wow! Just checked the base price for this machine on the Haas website.
Its 112k and even cheaper if its in stock. Damn that's cheap for a 5 axis mill.
theres is a programmable mid position for tool change, you don't write it into the post you do it from the control. Its under Settings - User Positions.
Hi I work for Grupo HiTec Dealer from HAAS at Mexico. I like a lot your videos and definitely I Will like to have that feel of new machine in my own jobshop. Someday. Great job guys!
A clean shop is a happy shop
that ball is for calibration of kinematics..every time you work some extra precise part,it would be good to check and recalibrate your machine so you achieve most of the machine precision and your tools in sviwel work the best..i use it on DMG MORI DMU 75 every few days,it uses few minutes only
Maybe Haas has a better type of tool release button for the VF2. Congrats on your new UMC! P.s. our trash cans are on wheels too..makes moving things easier if it's all on wheels
The probing is a calibration for the machine kinematics. You do this on all 5 axis machines. Expect to do this from time to time especially if you have a little accidentally bump
3:32 that are GN gastronomy containers, they stack, they standardize, and cames in many types and favors
I never bought into the P cool, especially when you have through spindle coolant. Using a TSC tool is cheaper than a $1500 option that you have to make sure your post processor works with. As opposed to just turn your coolant on. With some TSC tool holders they can spray coolant from the chuck body itself so you get the benefit of P cool but with the ease of a single M code.
just fyi, you set the p cool height when you set your tool length. no post processor needed. i think the p cool is neat
@@faxxzc neat but questionable value imo
Great !
A Taiwanese machine the Amtech sells has a pump for regular coolant, a pump for the thru coolant, and a pump for the wash down.
make sure you check the B axis at 90 with a dial indicator in the z axis
never thought about the heat shrink thing. the more you know.
16:17 this is for calibrating the exact center of rotation of the rotary axes
Are you sure that the tech installed the coolant hoses correctly?
Good eye... They did NOT install the hoses correctly! We caught it and rerouted them ourselves based on the installation sheet that was provided.
so we've had ours for about 2 months now and i've got some time under my belt with it. we have the SS with 50 tools and TSC.
didnt go for Pcool because this one has 4 nozzles and you can stagger them over the tool length easily so that each one sprays at a different height and its more than plenty for chip evac that i've seen so far. the Pcool is placed where it is for clearance and having a good shot at your work because probably 90% of the work you'll be doing will be with B tilted positive which means spindle is on the left side, about the only good place to put the pcool.
i'm personally not a fan of the toolsetter being where it is, super close to the table, and easy to fuck it up if your hand slips tightening a workholding setup etc, i'd much rather have it on the back side.
speaking of posts, make sure to edit yours so that G53 is at X-24. Y0. i broke a 250 dollar harvey lollipop when it changed the tool, went to g53 home and then b tilted to 100*, X-24 is where it should be for tool change if you wanna play it safe.
i agree with you on pretty much everything else you said, the machine is pretty awesome! especially for the money. we're super glad we got the SS because simultaneous 5x movement is on the brink of being too slow as is, i would HATE life if we had the base speed model.
curious to see what you think after some time using it!
oh, p.s. the side door is cool, but i havent found myself using it to load anything, reach from the front/main door is easier at least for me so far than the side. and i havent touched the jog handle yet... haha
oh, P.P.S. get yourself a metal encased magnet to use to bypass the door lock/sensor. the new 'safety' features are absolutely stupid on this thing. the spindle will not run AT ALL with the door open, regardless of key settings on the side. so if you need to dial in a bore or anything like that, you're SOL unless you bypass the lock.
How accurate is it when you rotate the axis, on the umc750 haas says it can be off by .002 when you go to from b0 tp b90 and if you drill b90 c0 and b90 c180 the holes can be off by .004. Is that the same for the umc500?
@@user-ni8lb2vr5t ours is off by just under a thou, maybe 7 tenths
closest thing i ever get to one of these is the fusion 360 model...
Wish I could figure out how to override the door lock, I can’t lean my machine while the conveyor is on cause the door is locked
Once you have used a pendant and realize how less tired your arm and shoulder gets from stretching to reach the panel and how many fewer times you lean into and out of the machine to push buttons, you will never go back. It’s lean and mean baby!!!
Agreed! But, the UMC500 is so small that we moved the pendant to our larger VF4 for the same reasons you mentioned.
Do haas not support face and taper holders?
I want one.
Now it's got a food tray and cup-holder, but no cutlery drawer.
Once you start using that remote jog handle you'll never go back..
I completely agree! My Siemens control from 2001 had a similar remote jog pendant for easier setup.
Could you talk about the options you did not get? Why not super speed, the fastest spindle etc. I realise the short answer would be because of cost, but why are these things not worth it?
Hello Baldur, I think the upgrades are a really good option when you can justify them. E.g. I have a customer who has to get a piece in 63.8 seconds we tried to do it in a standard machine but It goes more than 63.8 seconds and for a yearly demand them Will need 1.3 or 1.4 machines to comply with It. So when we change the Time study for the part with an SS model we comply with the 63.8 and only 1 mahcine for the project. This was not exactly for a UMC model was for a VF, however, I think its the same principle. In my opinión cost Is not the smartest reason yo choose, Is More like how much money you can make with the shorter investment. In my case was better to invest in a SS model intstead two standard VFs. Greetings from Monterrey México.
I still wish the coolant on and off was on the controller.Thats the only thing I like about a Fanuc control.
There is, that is just the manual shut off valve. I mostly only turn it off when I'm going to wash down the machine and don't want to get coolant all over my face
Agree. I have my Haas posts set to write a block skip in front of the M8. Works great when you're proving out a program but don't forget to turn it back off before walking away
Hi Pierson.. why didn't you take a UMC 500SS??
We never put speed as a top priority.
How long time went before you crashed with this machine, you know everybody crashes from time to time, please?
No crashes yet. Last crash of any machine in the shop was about 3 years ago.
Using a barrel for chips is kind of a joke they are just a pain for everyone that has to deal with them
How do you make money
manufacturing in california ?
California is a global manufacturing powerhouse. It's actually more efficient to do business here, hence higher profit margins.
@@PiersonWorkholdingok. im a cnc mill guy in ontario, we were a power house about 20 yrs ago. last 2 machs i was on was a snk rb6 6 and 8 meter.
i usually have 3 guys installing the machines.. Me, Myself and I.
honestly from my point of view your money would've been better invested into a CMX70U or CMX50U from DMG Mori, it has a smaller footprint and you have more choices for your spindle as example
For anyone interested, the CMXU series is 3+2 only and should not be confused for a full simultaneous 5 axis machine.
@@1998clayster oh really? didn't know that tho thanks
That's not true, the umc series is full 5 axis
@@kylemaurice4012 i think he/she/it is refering to the CMX U
@@kylemaurice4012 We are talking about the DMG CMXU series of machines. I should have been more specific will edit now. Thanks.
Should have got a dmg lol
Hey guys i really love the videos im hooked, im a 15 yrs centerless infeed / profile grinder i run upgraded nc machines and I dream to buy a machine for my garage, or a space to rent but i dont know were to start can you help ? I have money saved as my centerless work pay well my company is good we really have a niche there but i want to do my own side / hobby thing , maybe Tormach ? Or somthing used any way you can help me out ? Point me in a direction ? I have a tone of experience making stuff round mostly and tooling or parts for our machines please help a clueless family guy lmfao thanks
After covid passes and you'll be able to pick up late model machines for pennies on the dollar from companies that relied on debt to grow.
@@PiersonWorkholding thanks for your response . Its been sorta a dream for a while now
If you have your guys taking time to wax your machines you need more work or start reducing your cycle time lol
Run a dirty sweatshop with endless work and see how long people stick around. A stressful and dirty environment doesn't lead to happy, productive people that are loyal to the company. Wax on!
i'm never gonna scratch that machine so the next guy that gets it can beat the piss out of it ......i never understood that , beat that Haas like it owes you money . make it earn its keep thats my thoughts on it OMG dont drive that 2020 Corvette you will RUIN it !! PFFFT !
oh wait that Haas DOES owe you money about what 175 G or so ?