I feel the Polaris is the weakest machine, I have owned several and I can say they break very ez, My cf moto is a superior machine for the kind of riding you guys are doing
From me and all the diehard cfmoto people who have stuck with this brand for years thru thick and thin. We wanna personally thank you Julian for taking a chance on a cfmoto.
Hey Jimmy. I appreciate the thoughtful message. My goals here are pure, i just want to have fun and show people what these machines can handle. I’m very happy to hear so many people are enjoying the videos. The overall feedback has been overwhelmingly positive and I’ve tried to stay as unbiased as possible. As most people know i enjoy all the various machines and I’ve really been having f a blast with the Z-Force. It continues to surpass my expectations and I’ve been totally open about the fact that I wasn’t a cfmoto fan in the past. So hearing you leave a comment like this as a die hard cfmoto guy really puts a big smile on my face. Thanks for watching. Thanks for the support. I appreciate you and your feedback.
How does Julian not have a huge number of subscribers!?!?! Every video I feel like I'm on the ride with them. Top notch videos! Hope to hit the trails with you someday.
Because the entire channel went from being one of the better ones for moderate riding, to an endless commercial for CFMoto. Taking on sponsors is fine, but it's like they own the channel now.
@@MontanaBighorn lol, really? I'm not affiliated with CFMOTO in any way. I got the CFMOTO to stir things up and judging by your comment it's working. The goal is to test out some of the CFMOTO's to see how they do. The other machines aren't going anywhere but we can't just redo the same videos over and over again. There are plans for more machines to be added to the mix besides the CFMOTO's and Segway's. Also, as a rider I like riding various machines so even riding a machine that isn't as fancy or built as my RZR Turbo is a ton of fun. If you feel like it's one big CFMOTO commercial then just skip over the CFMOTO related content. Day 3 which is the next video I drive the RZR Turbo instead and there is 3 RZR's and 1 CFMOTO. As far as the guys at MSC, they are great and fun to spend time with. We had a blast riding and filming. I've been trying to be open minded with this CFMOTO and the goal is still to have a good time while creating quality content. It hard to please everyone, every time.
Thanks Kevin! I'm super pumped with the following that we have built. Day by day things continue to grow. We have a super good and engaged group of subscribers on the channel so that's awesome. The comments sections are always a good time. The Facebook page stirs up some good discussions too. I'd love to see more growth into the future because I have some cool plans in the works. Hope to cross paths with you on the trails one day too.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd I'm not trying to be critical of your channel; it's your channel. As a fan who has followed you for a long time, it's different than it used to be. It used to be about riding; now it's about CFMoto. People buy CFMoto because either they can't afford a premium brand, they are too cheap to buy a premium brand, or they don't know any better and took the word of content publishers who convinced them the CFMoto will give you the same experience as the premium brands for less than half of the cost. If this is the target demographic, I would ask you to truly test them to show those who don't know any better how they truly compare. Join up with The Can Am Crew or the Slew Crew or reach out to Billy Kamm and ride the Most Difficult trails that will show if they are truly capable machines. Anyways, I wasn't trying to be critical. When the guy asked about numbers, this is the obvious answer. I'll always be a fan of your earlier work and I hope eventually your content will revert to what it was after the CFMoto thing passes. And I'm confident it will after enough riding. Best wishes.
thanks for being open minded and willing to invest money/time to give unbiased reviews on the CF Motos. i currently own a 1000xl, 950 HO EX, and an older 500 HO, zero issues so far.
I'm glad I gave this thing a shot. I'm glad you and so many others are interested in the CFMOTO related content. I've already met a ton of great people in the CFMOTO community. Can't wait to get more trail time behind the wheel of this thing.
Enjoy watching videos, my brother and my nephew both own CF Motos, one 1000 Z force with 8500 km with no issues(2019) and the other had an 2018 800 ZForce with 9000 with no issues and traded it for a ZForce 950 HO EX and because of that, I now own a ZForce 950 HO EX, and I love it, 1000 km on it and no issues so far. On a name for yours, when we go riding, my buddy calls mine Quasi-Moto. so, maybe you can call yours that!!
I do like the CFmoto but that villain seems to be a bad ass machine watching these small series of videos . I’m thinking of adding one to the fleet. My yxz is just for hauling ass through the trails .
Everyone wants to know if the Chinese side by sides can keep up with the other brands so we are doing our part to show everyone how they stack up. We beat on them and abuse them just like we would any other machine on the trails. The true test will come in the long term though. It's not about doing well on one or two rides, the real test will be to see if these machines can take repeated abuse and stand the test of time. Long term reliability is one of the most important factors when it comes to judging the quality of a machine. The goal is to test these machines in many different settings and to beat on them hard but logically. As always, I try my best to be unbiased and open minded. Leave your thoughts, comments and questions below!
The CF Moto are good machines but in Canada they've raised prices too much. You can buy a Polaris general for the same money as a gen2 Z-Force 950 sport. Or an outlander 500 DPS for less than a cforce 600. I have a 2022 cforce 600 that was $8999 and now it's $10,300. The value part of buying them just isn't there anymore especially when you have to spend $500 on a clutch kit. I've owned can ams and polaris and never even looked at the clutch, I just rode them.
@@mjuhanil All valid points. I agree that prices in Canada are too high, but that really seems to be the case with just about everything right now. However, in the USA (where about 80% of our viewers are) currently there are some seriously good deals on CFMOTO machines well below a lot of the competition. I still feel overall CFMOTO is cheaper up front but like you mentioned, if the price isn't competitive enough then it really does make CFMOTO a much harder sell.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd Yeah I've seen people say they can get a gen2 950 sport for $15,000 out the door in usa. Even with exchange its $7500 less than here. As far as Segway goes, they look like decent machines but there's no dealer network in Canada. There used to be 9 dealers a few years ago and now there's only 6.
@@mjuhanilthere is a ton of cfmoto dealers in our area but the dealer network accross the country isn’t anything like Polaris or canam. As for price I heard you can get a 950 HO EX in the states right now under $12,000 out the door. That’s insane.
That is false.. I priced out a polaris 900 trail and it was 5 grand more than the g2 950 i just bought. Not to mention the polaris never had a winch or a roof or doors worth talking about. I only have 150km on the zforce but so far so good . @mjuhanil
"UnderDog" That's a good name. I like it. Awesome video brother. Your edits are on point. This was such a fun day. I'm totally impressed with the CF Moto Z force 950's. The segway spoke for itself. Thanks for another awesome video to watch. See ya in the next one
As always, thanks for the great content. I think you should name the CF Moto the Value Wagon. I also saw another one in the comments I liked, the Quasi-Moto.
great video again Julian well as of today after work i pick up my 2023 Z force 950 HO EX pulled the trigger so thanks to you and Blake my to favorite reviews on how cf moto is a solid machine. and not even just the price point
Thanks man! I'll be watchin your most recent upload later on tonight. It was such a great time, already lookin forward to the next adventure in the new year.
Pumped you enjoyed it enough to watch more than once!! That's awesome! Ya, all the machines did really well overall. I think you'll like the next video even more.
Sport mode is default, so normal is throttled down. I prefer to change to neutral before shifting 2wh 4wh on and off? 360 hours on my HO EX rocker bars and front brush guard get outdoors and have fun.
Thank you John. Very happy to hear you enjoy the videos! Hope the cfmoto holds together and keeps performing like this. As for panther rock, yes, very beautiful!!
Can't go anywhere without seeing a Dollar General! Legend has it, if one of their bags gets loose and lands in a field, it sprouts a new store. I read the captions too. Wasn't considering CFMoto - really would like an RMAX 4 - especially the new 2025's with dump box. The ZForce does seem to hold its weight. Seems to be many folks that have had them a while.
My nephew has a CF Moto that has yet gone on a ride without overheating. While the Rzrs,and Talons in our group have no problem running the same trails.
I’ve heard from multiple people that you really have to wash the cfmoto rads out well. In the past they had a lot of heat issues but i believe they have really improved on that. Sorry to hear about your luck. Are you sure there are no other cooling system issues like air in the system?
I personally read the sub titles. Im making a ist of places togo based off you're video's. I want to head your way for the cancer benefit ride. Thats important for me to make it there.
Great Video Sir. If you can send me a couple of your decals I’ll put you on our presentation in our waiting room with Blake, MSC and Justin promoting y’all channels keep up the great content. Ready for the next one
I'm glad to see some unbiased comentary for CFMoto and looking forward to seeing more. CFMoto has a bad rap, maybe the early years or maybe because they are a Chinese ..... ish ..... Brand that is not totally deserved. They do have some short comings but lets face it not everyone has that $30,000+++ to drop on a new machine. I just upgraded my UForce 800 which was a good solid dependable machine to a 950HO EX I've been liking the new machine so far with no complaints but lets see how things stack up come this time next year.
They have come along way and its like some car brands that were not so great in the 90's at first, but now they are doing great and have all the bells and whistles at a lower prices. In todays world price is going to win because price and intrest rates are crazy. but again to each their own, I just got a Rmax x4 cause i love yamaha brand its reliable, dependable and with a 10 year belt warrenty I can certainly tell the difference in the clutching compared to my old canam comander i had haha :) ( no more 3 wheel peel) that thing if you didn't put it in low when needed belt done! longevity is my biggest thing with the CFmoto so glad your testing that. I honestly hate the backend on the CFmoto with those two rockets sticking out the back, but thats just me. So as you requested a name how about "Orange Crush" or Orange Crusher" :)
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd Man, you could just FEEL the fun you guys were having! Great vid. As usual, NY Mike is a champ schooling the bigger tired machines!
@@RhinoOffroad-zq8fhglad you enjoyed it and could feel how much fun we were having out there. Ya, Mike really showed us it’s not all about size… just wait to see the next video, he takes things to the next level.
Awesome video Julian best in the class!. I am so impressed with that Porsche I mean IE,.... VILLAIN on 35-in tires on a stock clutch, stock vehicle, unbelievable!. Try that on an XP 1000 with 35-in tires... oh wait, you couldn't they would rub lol respect to that villain, Best rig for the money hands down!
you have a battle wagon how about a War Horse! i ride a 2013 cf moto Sntper 600 still running strong, im going to be upgrading to a new one this summer! im looking at the trail modals
Hey man. They are loads of fun. Is there a reason you are choosing to get a trail model? Unless there are restrictions in your state that limit you to 50 inches I’d recommend at least going with a 60 inch sport. The can-am visco lock front diff doesn’t offer true 4 wheel drive, especially in crawling situations. The newer ones are as bad but the older design is weak.
@AdrenalineJunkieProd It's hard finding any SxS in my country, so can't really be choosy. Our trails have been known to fit quad well but anything wider might be restricted. I do have an option of another used Segway which I believe is 72in. The owner did tell me that some trails are prohibitive with that SxS due to the width of the trails. Love your videos man, very inspiring.
Blown Budget Off-Road is definitely worth your time to check out. Sadly, due to familial obligations (they started having kids and can't travel anymore), they stopped making videos as of 2023, but their content is pure good. They ride the absolute most difficult trails, and they are fun and entertaining without all the drama and fraternity type garbage you see on SxSBlog. Also see Broke Boys Off-Road and the Slew Crew, both excellent channels. I also enjoy the Can Am Crew but since they sell SxS parts, they are also starting to be a continual commercial. But Jesse's wife is an amazing off-roader and often I watch just to see her do things 90% of men wouldn't do. Off-Camber Industries is another good one, although shamelessly loyal to Polaris (which is fine if that's what you're into, I just look at it different. I just love to ride and don't care what name is on it so long as it performs). Definitely check out GrimRZR and the Southern Land Riders, another good one. But if I had to pick one channel, it's Blown Budget Off-Road, even though they stopped producing content. They have more up now from the last 6-8 years than you could watch.
Hey Julian what’s all done to that Segway? I’m looking into getting one and I want one set up like that. Is it all stock or does it have any clutch work or anything? Great content by the way I’m loving it!
Hey. You might of missed the part where I mentioned it’s completely stock. Only thing changed performance wise were the 35 inch tires and aftermarket wheels. Stock clutching in this video. With that being said, obviously you should clutch the machine properly but they just wanted to see how it would do stock for a baseline. It did awesome. A few of my friends have them now too and I’m hoping to get out for a ride with them in the near future.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd apologies I might have missed that part, I had the video playing while I was doing things around the house lol. That’s pretty incredible though to be completely stock on 35s. The more I research on these the more I’m interested in them.
I agree with your advice on getting a machine that suits you and your area of riding. I got a krx and for windrock and local areas there where I live it can’t really be beat. Lots of locals want the turbo machines and I’ve yet to ride with anybody who can outrun or climb a stock krx 2seater on 35” zillas. That accelerate faster but by the first turn or bump I’m on them and by the 2-3rd I’m past them and pulling away lol
Honestly, me too... LOL! Based on a lot of what I had seen and read online these things should have fallen apart by now. Surprising since I thought everything I read online was true... lmao.
@@sxsoutcast7651 That sucks. Serious issues like that are awful. Even when covered under warranty stuff like that is a pain. I’m glad my experience has been mostly positive so far. I would hope they have worked those issues you experienced out over the last few years.
As I mentioned earlier CFMoto has graduated to Triple A. Almost ready for the big leagues. I have no doubt they will earn their way there. I’m leaning toward “Underdog” for a name.
Yup 100% Justin who was driving it actually mentioned that in the video. Wrong tire and wheel package for this ride but you gotta run what ya brung sometimes.
I was a zforce fan until them segways come out!! Hands down without a doubt they are my number 1 fav sxs now!! Im not so sure about the newer hybrid one but time will tell like em all!! Segway for tha win!! Ps btw i ment the gen 2 zforce was my fav b4 the segway!! Lol just had to clarify that!! Happy belated holidays!! Junkie crew n fam to 2024..have a safe yr!!
Thanks man! Wishing you a great new year also. The Segways have been working well, like you said though, the true test is always to see how they do in the long run. I think the new Segway Super Villain looks amazing. I bet it’s going to be a really cool machine.
Occasionally but not often. There was a general in or most recent West Virginia series. We don’t have a general in our core crew. Which is too bad because I really like them. I’d love to have a general as part of our main crew.
Hey Bill. Only about 350 trail miles on the machine so far so a little early to tell how it is really holding up. Gotta keep thrashing on it and time will tell
I've driven a 950EX HO. Rode like a dump truck compared to my XP1000, especially on the faster chop. The turning radius was terrible too lol. CFMoto is an ok value for an entry level machine, not much more IMO.
I agree that the overall ride quality isn’t great compared to a rzr. The stock suspension is a weak link in my opinion but also a major area they are able to cut costs.
Kawa,yamaha, polaris, honda etc have long reputations and reliability u pay for as well as easy parts support .it wasnt earned over night so some rather pay for that. 15k for a 950 ho ex or 17 for a krx 1000 or rzr xp 1000 i know what im buying
Yes I read the captions, but I have to pause it because I don't read fast enough. Or maybe you don't leave it up long enough. I forgot, I was gonna tell you that.
Honestly, im just impressed you can even read man…. 😉😉😂 I’m gonna extend the time the captions stay on screen in future videos because a handful of ppl have mentioned that. When I write them I try to guess how much time people need to read them without keeping them up too long and making them annoying.
Yeah I think it would be cool for you to edit up some videos from the other guys rides. Ever considered a Patreon account where “not so TH-cam friendly” clips and videos could be posted?
Now Bud. You know I love your Videos, and you know I love all the content. I am not going to say you are getting lazy because that would be so wrong on so many levels. With that said. Knowing you are out on the trails riding and having fun for 12 hours yet only have 2 hours of content seems like you are cheeping the trail rides. Spending 45 minutes on people getting stuck in the same spot just helps show how you use this to add time on something we all see when they are stuck and try a couple times. I guess what I am saying is you need to make longer Videos lmao. On a happy note, the longer the videos the more you can make on the video to help you do a lot more trail riding.
I enjoy watching your videos! I'm from Ukraine! CF Moto is very popular in our country! I have a zforce1000 sport and a cforce 625(atv). I am engaged in the production of buggies with friends... can I send a photo if you are interested?
I listened to blogs and comparason videos like this and bought a polaris northstar ultimate and forked out a ton of money, and I got to say, polaris is the biggest piece of shit that I ever had. It's my own fault I said I would never buy another polaris because of past experiences. Then I saw all the videos of how good they become and spent the money and bought one and boy was I mad at myself. After 500 klms driving on normal gravel rds to get to my cabin the thing felt like my drunk uncle went to the scap yard and built it from old parts. I've had nothing but issus, not to mention the buddies that bought the 850 snowmobiles blowing plugs breaking down, blowing clutches ext, then my brother bought a rzr because I convinced him that from all the reviews on TH-cam made it out like they were bullet proof boy was I wrong. I'm surprised I'm still alive for convincing him to buy a polaris. My brother had nothing but issues with his, so from past experiences and current experiences trust, nothing till u dig deep and then keep digging because it has been a nightmare, Goodluck all spend your money wisely.
I think you musta done something to your microphone. You used to be 3x louder. And now the audio sux. You can hear that exhaust a lot more then we can hear you. Hopefully, you will go back to the other way. I think you got that new system or something, where you can talk to other riders. But, as a viewer it absolutely sux, IMHO.
Thanks for the feedback. The way the wind moves on this machine is different than the RZR. It may sound weird but something like that can have a big impact. It took me a little while to dial things in on the RZR, so I'm still figuring this one out. There are a ton of inconsistent and changing variables that have an impact on audio quality. I do agree with you, the in car dialogue should have been louder. I recently changed front cameras and that has changed audio a bit along with the machine being a bit different. Historically, audio has always been the most unpredictable and difficult part of creating this content. I actually have a fix in mind that should hopefully bring the in car audio back to where it should be and used to be. What's really hard about audio is that you usually don't notice these audio issues until you are back in the studio after a shoot. It's hard working in the environments we shoot in and you can't really redo anything like you can in a studio environment when the audio is off. I appreciate and value your honest feedback, it helps me improve future content. Things are always changing and we are always learning.
@AdrenalineJunkieProd wasn't trying to be an Ahole. I have been viewing your vids for years, and you were the 1 whom helped me make my SxS purchase. That being said, I was mostly referring to when you are talking. It used to be much LOUDER, and I don't think the machine has anything to do with it. Perhaps new equipment or relocation of microphones. But, don't they make microphones that you can attach to the Go~pros. If they do, I'd suggest adding them to the helmets. Or maybe attach them to your shirt, So we can hear what you're saying. Something definitely is different. Hopefully, you can figure it out. Again, I'm a big fan, and I definitely enjoy your videos. I'd also definitely purchase 1 of them CFMOTO SxS. 💪 You bring valuable knowledge to the OHV community & great content. Keep up the great work! 😋
@@brapppn-can-am-man6906thanks man. I wasn’t offended or upset by your comment. Like I mentioned I value this kind of feedback. I’m hoping I can dial in the audio over the next ride or two. Thanks for all the positive feedback. Happy to hear you’ve been watching for years and enjoy the content overall. Hope you stick around for many more years!!
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd thanks brother I really enjoy the video we are in North Carolina and I would love to get out there sometime it look like some awesome trails
Lets be honest for rough trails that require wheel spin and ground clearance polaris rules the roost! From the factory me and my little crew have 23 1k xp, honda talon, yxz, canam maverick, and a cf moto c force. All 100 stock. We did some tests after a few rides together the xp had more ground clearance better acceleration than the non turbo machines. It also had the best torque granted im the owner of the xp but we talk alot of crap and as of yet im the only one who hasnt had to hook the winch. The only thing id say would trail better a buddy that rides once in a blue moon has a krx it was stock and had alot more ground clearance than even me stock. Speed still better on the xp
lol, it’s still far from cheap… or not cheap enough at least. Either that or I need to make more money 😂 I do like the name idea though. Compared to many of the others it’s totally a cheap seat!!
@AdrenalineJunkieProd I love your videos. You have prompted me to buy a CFMoto. I pick up my z950 HO Ex tomorrow at the dealership. Look forward to seeing what you do with yours.
@@chasincheckers2132 congrats on the new ride man!! Glad you enjoy the videos and that they helped you choose a machine. I’ve been happy with the z-force so far. If it keeps working this well I’ll be very pleased.
THUMBS UP if you feel the CFMOTO and SEGWAY machines can keep up with the competition!
You gotta drive the Villain and make a pov video of it!
Name your machine the "underdog"
Keep up, and honestly the villain is my favourite in the looks dept.
Very much enjoy watching your vids. Great content and good car setups!!! Your channel gives me some great ideas on how to build my rig
I feel the Polaris is the weakest machine, I have owned several and I can say they break very ez,
My cf moto is a superior machine for the kind of riding you guys are doing
From me and all the diehard cfmoto people who have stuck with this brand for years thru thick and thin. We wanna personally thank you Julian for taking a chance on a cfmoto.
Hey Jimmy. I appreciate the thoughtful message. My goals here are pure, i just want to have fun and show people what these machines can handle. I’m very happy to hear so many people are enjoying the videos. The overall feedback has been overwhelmingly positive and I’ve tried to stay as unbiased as possible. As most people know i enjoy all the various machines and I’ve really been having f a blast with the Z-Force. It continues to surpass my expectations and I’ve been totally open about the fact that I wasn’t a cfmoto fan in the past. So hearing you leave a comment like this as a die hard cfmoto guy really puts a big smile on my face. Thanks for watching. Thanks for the support. I appreciate you and your feedback.
How does Julian not have a huge number of subscribers!?!?! Every video I feel like I'm on the ride with them. Top notch videos! Hope to hit the trails with you someday.
Because the entire channel went from being one of the better ones for moderate riding, to an endless commercial for CFMoto. Taking on sponsors is fine, but it's like they own the channel now.
@@MontanaBighorn lol, really? I'm not affiliated with CFMOTO in any way. I got the CFMOTO to stir things up and judging by your comment it's working. The goal is to test out some of the CFMOTO's to see how they do. The other machines aren't going anywhere but we can't just redo the same videos over and over again. There are plans for more machines to be added to the mix besides the CFMOTO's and Segway's. Also, as a rider I like riding various machines so even riding a machine that isn't as fancy or built as my RZR Turbo is a ton of fun. If you feel like it's one big CFMOTO commercial then just skip over the CFMOTO related content. Day 3 which is the next video I drive the RZR Turbo instead and there is 3 RZR's and 1 CFMOTO. As far as the guys at MSC, they are great and fun to spend time with. We had a blast riding and filming. I've been trying to be open minded with this CFMOTO and the goal is still to have a good time while creating quality content. It hard to please everyone, every time.
Thanks Kevin! I'm super pumped with the following that we have built. Day by day things continue to grow. We have a super good and engaged group of subscribers on the channel so that's awesome. The comments sections are always a good time. The Facebook page stirs up some good discussions too. I'd love to see more growth into the future because I have some cool plans in the works. Hope to cross paths with you on the trails one day too.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd I'm not trying to be critical of your channel; it's your channel. As a fan who has followed you for a long time, it's different than it used to be. It used to be about riding; now it's about CFMoto. People buy CFMoto because either they can't afford a premium brand, they are too cheap to buy a premium brand, or they don't know any better and took the word of content publishers who convinced them the CFMoto will give you the same experience as the premium brands for less than half of the cost. If this is the target demographic, I would ask you to truly test them to show those who don't know any better how they truly compare. Join up with The Can Am Crew or the Slew Crew or reach out to Billy Kamm and ride the Most Difficult trails that will show if they are truly capable machines.
Anyways, I wasn't trying to be critical. When the guy asked about numbers, this is the obvious answer. I'll always be a fan of your earlier work and I hope eventually your content will revert to what it was after the CFMoto thing passes. And I'm confident it will after enough riding. Best wishes.
Not enough screaming and videos titled“COMPLETELY DESTROYED MY $60k SXS!!!!!!!!!!!” for the TH-cam generation.
After next week there will be no more diff lock limiter.. team MSC tune is going to now start removing that. 😉
Super happy to hear that Blake! I don't want to have to hold the "Full Send Button" I want it to be engaged all the time, lol!
that will be one of my upgrades as well does that void the warranty if so I will wait till its done
I want to get my '24' ZFORCE 950 Sport to where I can ride with you guys.
thanks for being open minded and willing to invest money/time to give unbiased reviews on the CF Motos. i currently own a 1000xl, 950 HO EX, and an older 500 HO, zero issues so far.
I'm glad I gave this thing a shot. I'm glad you and so many others are interested in the CFMOTO related content. I've already met a ton of great people in the CFMOTO community. Can't wait to get more trail time behind the wheel of this thing.
Enjoy watching videos, my brother and my nephew both own CF Motos, one 1000 Z force with 8500 km with no issues(2019) and the other had an 2018 800 ZForce with 9000 with no issues and traded it for a ZForce 950 HO EX and because of that, I now own a ZForce 950 HO EX, and I love it, 1000 km on it and no issues so far. On a name for yours, when we go riding, my buddy calls mine Quasi-Moto. so, maybe you can call yours that!!
I do like the CFmoto but that villain seems to be a bad ass machine watching these small series of videos . I’m thinking of adding one to the fleet. My yxz is just for hauling ass through the trails .
Everyone wants to know if the Chinese side by sides can keep up with the other brands so we are doing our part to show everyone how they stack up. We beat on them and abuse them just like we would any other machine on the trails. The true test will come in the long term though. It's not about doing well on one or two rides, the real test will be to see if these machines can take repeated abuse and stand the test of time. Long term reliability is one of the most important factors when it comes to judging the quality of a machine. The goal is to test these machines in many different settings and to beat on them hard but logically. As always, I try my best to be unbiased and open minded. Leave your thoughts, comments and questions below!
The CF Moto are good machines but in Canada they've raised prices too much. You can buy a Polaris general for the same money as a gen2 Z-Force 950 sport. Or an outlander 500 DPS for less than a cforce 600.
I have a 2022 cforce 600 that was $8999 and now it's $10,300. The value part of buying them just isn't there anymore especially when you have to spend $500 on a clutch kit. I've owned can ams and polaris and never even looked at the clutch, I just rode them.
@@mjuhanil All valid points. I agree that prices in Canada are too high, but that really seems to be the case with just about everything right now. However, in the USA (where about 80% of our viewers are) currently there are some seriously good deals on CFMOTO machines well below a lot of the competition. I still feel overall CFMOTO is cheaper up front but like you mentioned, if the price isn't competitive enough then it really does make CFMOTO a much harder sell.
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Yeah I've seen people say they can get a gen2 950 sport for $15,000 out the door in usa. Even with exchange its $7500 less than here. As far as Segway goes, they look like decent machines but there's no dealer network in Canada. There used to be 9 dealers a few years ago and now there's only 6.
@@mjuhanilthere is a ton of cfmoto dealers in our area but the dealer network accross the country isn’t anything like Polaris or canam. As for price I heard you can get a 950 HO EX in the states right now under $12,000 out the door. That’s insane.
That is false.. I priced out a polaris 900 trail and it was 5 grand more than the g2 950 i just bought. Not to mention the polaris never had a winch or a roof or doors worth talking about. I only have 150km on the zforce but so far so good . @mjuhanil
"UnderDog" That's a good name. I like it. Awesome video brother. Your edits are on point. This was such a fun day. I'm totally impressed with the CF Moto Z force 950's. The segway spoke for itself. Thanks for another awesome video to watch. See ya in the next one
👍 Everyone loves an Underdog!
CF name HAS to B "THE VOLUNTEER" U motivated me into buying one I believe.
As always, thanks for the great content. I think you should name the CF Moto the Value Wagon. I also saw another one in the comments I liked, the Quasi-Moto.
great video again Julian well as of today after work i pick up my 2023 Z force 950 HO EX pulled the trigger so thanks to you and Blake my to favorite reviews on how cf moto is a solid machine. and not even just the price point
Hey man! Congrats on the new machine. I hope it serves you well and you have a ton of fun in it!!
Epic video bro!! Such an awesome time
Thanks man! I'll be watchin your most recent upload later on tonight. It was such a great time, already lookin forward to the next adventure in the new year.
Good video. I watched it twice. Couldnt see everything in 1 watching. Lol. All the units did really good. Thanks for the video.
Pumped you enjoyed it enough to watch more than once!! That's awesome! Ya, all the machines did really well overall. I think you'll like the next video even more.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd awesome. Can't wait.
Sport mode is default, so normal is throttled down. I prefer to change to neutral before shifting 2wh 4wh on and off? 360 hours on my HO EX rocker bars and front brush guard get outdoors and have fun.
You always have the best trail tiding videos. Panther rock is a beautiful area. It looks like the CF Motos performed very well on real trails.
Thank you John. Very happy to hear you enjoy the videos! Hope the cfmoto holds together and keeps performing like this. As for panther rock, yes, very beautiful!!
Can't go anywhere without seeing a Dollar General! Legend has it, if one of their bags gets loose and lands in a field, it sprouts a new store.
I read the captions too.
Wasn't considering CFMoto - really would like an RMAX 4 - especially the new 2025's with dump box. The ZForce does seem to hold its weight. Seems to be many folks that have had them a while.
So cool meeting you guys! Super down to earth dudes, all of them. Hope you all had a blast, I love love love Windrock park.
My nephew has a CF Moto that has yet gone on a ride without overheating.
While the Rzrs,and Talons in our group have no problem running the same trails.
Is he burring it in deep mud?
No more than the rest of the group.
I’ve heard from multiple people that you really have to wash the cfmoto rads out well. In the past they had a lot of heat issues but i believe they have really improved on that. Sorry to hear about your luck. Are you sure there are no other cooling system issues like air in the system?
I personally read the sub titles. Im making a ist of places togo based off you're video's. I want to head your way for the cancer benefit ride. Thats important for me to make it there.
I don't have my moto anymore, upgraded to a pro xp4, however these videos make me miss Ling Ling. She was a beast!
It sounds very good with the new exhaust on. I enjoyed the video Brother.
Thanks! I'm super pumped with how it sounds too. Way more fun to drive like this.
Great Video Sir. If you can send me a couple of your decals I’ll put you on our presentation in our waiting room with Blake, MSC and Justin promoting y’all channels keep up the great content. Ready for the next one
Awesome videos name it underdog seems fitting
Underdog is an awesome name! Great suggestion, that one is definitely goin on the shortlist. Happy to hear you enjoy the videos!
Dope video. Dope, seeing the collaboration from the many Off-Road enthusiasts.
Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed it. Hoping we can do a bunch more collabs this season.
I'm glad to see some unbiased comentary for CFMoto and looking forward to seeing more.
CFMoto has a bad rap, maybe the early years or maybe because they are a Chinese ..... ish ..... Brand that is not totally deserved. They do have some short comings but lets face it not everyone has that $30,000+++ to drop on a new machine. I just upgraded my UForce 800 which was a good solid dependable machine to a 950HO EX I've been liking the new machine so far with no complaints but lets see how things stack up come this time next year.
My Uforce 1000xl is my first new machine and my first sxs ever, I'm loving it.
They have come along way and its like some car brands that were not so great in the 90's at first, but now they are doing great and have all the bells and whistles at a lower prices. In todays world price is going to win because price and intrest rates are crazy. but again to each their own, I just got a Rmax x4 cause i love yamaha brand its reliable, dependable and with a 10 year belt warrenty I can certainly tell the difference in the clutching compared to my old canam comander i had haha :) ( no more 3 wheel peel) that thing if you didn't put it in low when needed belt done! longevity is my biggest thing with the CFmoto so glad your testing that. I honestly hate the backend on the CFmoto with those two rockets sticking out the back, but thats just me. So as you requested a name how about "Orange Crush" or Orange Crusher" :)
Dam, just about to head out for a snow-mud run. Definitely gonna watch this in entirety when I get back!
Have an awesome ride man! Wish I was going out for a rip today. Hope you enjoy the video later.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd Man, you could just FEEL the fun you guys were having! Great vid. As usual, NY Mike is a champ schooling the bigger tired machines!
@@RhinoOffroad-zq8fhglad you enjoyed it and could feel how much fun we were having out there. Ya, Mike really showed us it’s not all about size… just wait to see the next video, he takes things to the next level.
Just got an 800s best thing ive done in a long time long time viewer love this stuff. You should come to Saskatchewan sweet riding here
And also what would you recommend for tire size on an 800s I have 28 on now can I go 30s
Love the video been watching for years maybe mighty mouse for a name
CF Moto holding up well so far. Santa needs to bring NY Mike some 32 Zillas!
Hey I hate to read but when it comes to your captions I read
Yup here in N.B. 🇨🇦 I pause the video and read them all.
Awesome video Julian best in the class!. I am so impressed with that Porsche I mean IE,.... VILLAIN on 35-in tires on a stock clutch, stock vehicle, unbelievable!. Try that on an XP 1000 with 35-in tires... oh wait, you couldn't they would rub lol respect to that villain, Best rig for the money hands down!
You put 35s on a Polaris and you best have a belt with you
you have a battle wagon how about a War Horse! i ride a 2013 cf moto Sntper 600 still running strong, im going to be upgrading to a new one this summer! im looking at the trail modals
Dang still rocking one of those old units! That’s awesome man. They have gone a very very long way since then as im sure you know.
Mighty Moto. Enjoy all your videos Thanks Julian
Mighty Moto! Has a good ring to it. Glad to hear you enjoy the videos!
Just watched your latest video new name, Major Moto
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd I’m changing my Mighty Moto to Major Moto. Just watched you new video 👍
Zeus be a good name for the z force. Love the content. Thank you for what you do.
You can repair the XG crawler from the inside with a patch. I had the same thing happened to mine. They don't handle beadlocks well.
Newbie here. Getting really pumped with SxS now.
Am about to get a used 2018 CanAm Maverick trail. What do you mean by CanAm 3WD? Kinda perplexed
Hey man. They are loads of fun. Is there a reason you are choosing to get a trail model? Unless there are restrictions in your state that limit you to 50 inches I’d recommend at least going with a 60 inch sport. The can-am visco lock front diff doesn’t offer true 4 wheel drive, especially in crawling situations. The newer ones are as bad but the older design is weak.
@AdrenalineJunkieProd It's hard finding any SxS in my country, so can't really be choosy. Our trails have been known to fit quad well but anything wider might be restricted. I do have an option of another used Segway which I believe is 72in. The owner did tell me that some trails are prohibitive with that SxS due to the width of the trails.
Love your videos man, very inspiring.
I am new to sxsing so I think I will find another channel with out all the sales pitch after all I dont watch tv because of all the commercials
Blown Budget Off-Road is definitely worth your time to check out. Sadly, due to familial obligations (they started having kids and can't travel anymore), they stopped making videos as of 2023, but their content is pure good. They ride the absolute most difficult trails, and they are fun and entertaining without all the drama and fraternity type garbage you see on SxSBlog. Also see Broke Boys Off-Road and the Slew Crew, both excellent channels. I also enjoy the Can Am Crew but since they sell SxS parts, they are also starting to be a continual commercial. But Jesse's wife is an amazing off-roader and often I watch just to see her do things 90% of men wouldn't do. Off-Camber Industries is another good one, although shamelessly loyal to Polaris (which is fine if that's what you're into, I just look at it different. I just love to ride and don't care what name is on it so long as it performs). Definitely check out GrimRZR and the Southern Land Riders, another good one. But if I had to pick one channel, it's Blown Budget Off-Road, even though they stopped producing content. They have more up now from the last 6-8 years than you could watch.
Bring your crew to Arkansas and ride thru the Ozarks. Beautiful scenery everywhere you look.
Hey Julian what’s all done to that Segway? I’m looking into getting one and I want one set up like that. Is it all stock or does it have any clutch work or anything? Great content by the way I’m loving it!
Hey. You might of missed the part where I mentioned it’s completely stock. Only thing changed performance wise were the 35 inch tires and aftermarket wheels. Stock clutching in this video. With that being said, obviously you should clutch the machine properly but they just wanted to see how it would do stock for a baseline. It did awesome. A few of my friends have them now too and I’m hoping to get out for a ride with them in the near future.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd apologies I might have missed that part, I had the video playing while I was doing things around the house lol. That’s pretty incredible though to be completely stock on 35s. The more I research on these the more I’m interested in them.
I agree with your advice on getting a machine that suits you and your area of riding. I got a krx and for windrock and local areas there where I live it can’t really be beat. Lots of locals want the turbo machines and I’ve yet to ride with anybody who can outrun or climb a stock krx 2seater on 35” zillas. That accelerate faster but by the first turn or bump I’m on them and by the 2-3rd I’m past them and pulling away lol
Awesome video, brother!
Thanks brother lookin forward to the next ride. Maybe you'll have to bring the X3 out and I'll take the Battle Wagon.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd yesss! I can’t wait for that!
I am really surprised on how much the CD motos are performing
Honestly, me too... LOL! Based on a lot of what I had seen and read online these things should have fallen apart by now. Surprising since I thought everything I read online was true... lmao.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProdsome of it is and was true. My 2021 z950 was bad. Blown engine, diff issues and a lot more. It was a bad year.
@@sxsoutcast7651 That sucks. Serious issues like that are awful. Even when covered under warranty stuff like that is a pain. I’m glad my experience has been mostly positive so far. I would hope they have worked those issues you experienced out over the last few years.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd I'm sure it was a 2021 issue. My Segway villain runs so much better.
As I mentioned earlier CFMoto has graduated to Triple A. Almost ready for the big leagues. I have no doubt they will earn their way there. I’m leaning toward “Underdog” for a name.
Good morning !!
Good evening !!
Whats the name of that storage bag you have between the seats? I need one of those.
It’s made by Kemi Moto. It’s very handy. You can find them on the MSC website at: www.teammscparts.com
That villan is a cool looking rig.
Looks too much like those older and ugly Arctic Cats.
@@henrymckay3540 i dont think they do.
Ya, I think it’s cool too! Overall I think it looks better than the Z-Force.
I read the captions. But only because you put it there.
lol, well thanks man. Hope I’m not making you read too much 😂
Love watching Cfmoto tough what’s not u make it tough they all have problems so keep turnin”&Burnin”
The 950 that was struggling the most needs more tire and less wheel.
Yup 100% Justin who was driving it actually mentioned that in the video. Wrong tire and wheel package for this ride but you gotta run what ya brung sometimes.
Awesome ride
Always a great time out on the trails!
Can't wait to see corny and Greg to drive it now its a beast
I was a zforce fan until them segways come out!! Hands down without a doubt they are my number 1 fav sxs now!! Im not so sure about the newer hybrid one but time will tell like em all!! Segway for tha win!! Ps btw i ment the gen 2 zforce was my fav b4 the segway!! Lol just had to clarify that!! Happy belated holidays!! Junkie crew n fam to 2024..have a safe yr!!
Thanks man! Wishing you a great new year also. The Segways have been working well, like you said though, the true test is always to see how they do in the long run. I think the new Segway Super Villain looks amazing. I bet it’s going to be a really cool machine.
Another great one!
That 950 was ripping up the mountain haha
Yes they were.
You know it's gonna be a good day when you're already having a blast on the driveway up to the trails.....
Do you guys ever get out with any Polaris Generals??
Occasionally but not often. There was a general in or most recent West Virginia series. We don’t have a general in our core crew. Which is too bad because I really like them. I’d love to have a general as part of our main crew.
How many miles do u have on your CFMoto now,just wanting to know how it will hold up with a lot of miles on the machine ??
Hey Bill. Only about 350 trail miles on the machine so far so a little early to tell how it is really holding up. Gotta keep thrashing on it and time will tell
I've driven a 950EX HO. Rode like a dump truck compared to my XP1000, especially on the faster chop. The turning radius was terrible too lol. CFMoto is an ok value for an entry level machine, not much more IMO.
I agree that the overall ride quality isn’t great compared to a rzr. The stock suspension is a weak link in my opinion but also a major area they are able to cut costs.
Great video guys
That segway is a beast
How about "Combat Ready"!
Hi Julian. I &ave not received my order if you can check on it please. Ty. No rush
Kawa,yamaha, polaris, honda etc have long reputations and reliability u pay for as well as easy parts support .it wasnt earned over night so some rather pay for that. 15k for a 950 ho ex or 17 for a krx 1000 or rzr xp 1000 i know what im buying
Name it "let zee force be with you"!
How about orange peel since you like spinning the tires in the cf moto 950 and it's got orange on it
Mountain Goat. Those things can go anywhere. Or Billy Goat.
Just can't get past the looks of the CF....I could see myself in a Segway tho
Name your machine the "underdog"
That's the name I'm leaning towards.
It’s funny whenever you show the rearview and the Segway is behind you. It looks more like a VW bug. Lol.
Now that you mention that…
1:10 he doesn't know what stay in it means
Yes I read the captions, but I have to pause it because I don't read fast enough. Or maybe you don't leave it up long enough. I forgot, I was gonna tell you that.
Honestly, im just impressed you can even read man…. 😉😉😂 I’m gonna extend the time the captions stay on screen in future videos because a handful of ppl have mentioned that. When I write them I try to guess how much time people need to read them without keeping them up too long and making them annoying.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd 🤦♂️
Call him the jester… not clowning around!
Lmao, that’s a good one. The styling would suit the role of a jester quite well, lol.
what color is that one buggy
How do I stop cars from going ghost on multi-player I got the maps made but everything I try to play with friends we go ghost
Red headed step child
Lmao! That name would get people asking questions, that’s for sure.
what is the fabric in the back for?
Man that shock squeak is getting on my nerves LOL.
Yeah I think it would be cool for you to edit up some videos from the other guys rides. Ever considered a Patreon account where “not so TH-cam friendly” clips and videos could be posted?
Now Bud. You know I love your Videos, and you know I love all the content. I am not going to say you are getting lazy because that would be so wrong on so many levels. With that said. Knowing you are out on the trails riding and having fun for 12 hours yet only have 2 hours of content seems like you are cheeping the trail rides. Spending 45 minutes on people getting stuck in the same spot just helps show how you use this to add time on something we all see when they are stuck and try a couple times. I guess what I am saying is you need to make longer Videos lmao. On a happy note, the longer the videos the more you can make on the video to help you do a lot more trail riding.
I guess we could call it the” Orange crusher”😊
After giving it some more thought I guess we could call it “Hong Kong phooey” after my favorite cartoon character😂
Tell Blake to guve that #teamajp sticker back!!! Haha
I enjoy watching your videos! I'm from Ukraine! CF Moto is very popular in our country! I have a zforce1000 sport and a cforce 625(atv). I am engaged in the production of buggies with friends... can I send a photo if you are interested?
I listened to blogs and comparason videos like this and bought a polaris northstar ultimate and forked out a ton of money, and I got to say, polaris is the biggest piece of shit that I ever had. It's my own fault I said I would never buy another polaris because of past experiences. Then I saw all the videos of how good they become and spent the money and bought one and boy was I mad at myself. After 500 klms driving on normal gravel rds to get to my cabin the thing felt like my drunk uncle went to the scap yard and built it from old parts. I've had nothing but issus, not to mention the buddies that bought the 850 snowmobiles blowing plugs breaking down, blowing clutches ext, then my brother bought a rzr because I convinced him that from all the reviews on TH-cam made it out like they were bullet proof boy was I wrong. I'm surprised I'm still alive for convincing him to buy a polaris. My brother had nothing but issues with his, so from past experiences and current experiences trust, nothing till u dig deep and then keep digging because it has been a nightmare, Goodluck all spend your money wisely.
I think you musta done something to your microphone. You used to be 3x louder. And now the audio sux. You can hear that exhaust a lot more then we can hear you.
Hopefully, you will go back to the other way. I think you got that new system or something, where you can talk to other riders. But, as a viewer it absolutely sux, IMHO.
Thanks for the feedback. The way the wind moves on this machine is different than the RZR. It may sound weird but something like that can have a big impact. It took me a little while to dial things in on the RZR, so I'm still figuring this one out. There are a ton of inconsistent and changing variables that have an impact on audio quality. I do agree with you, the in car dialogue should have been louder. I recently changed front cameras and that has changed audio a bit along with the machine being a bit different. Historically, audio has always been the most unpredictable and difficult part of creating this content. I actually have a fix in mind that should hopefully bring the in car audio back to where it should be and used to be. What's really hard about audio is that you usually don't notice these audio issues until you are back in the studio after a shoot. It's hard working in the environments we shoot in and you can't really redo anything like you can in a studio environment when the audio is off. I appreciate and value your honest feedback, it helps me improve future content. Things are always changing and we are always learning.
@AdrenalineJunkieProd wasn't trying to be an Ahole. I have been viewing your vids for years, and you were the 1 whom helped me make my SxS purchase.
That being said, I was mostly referring to when you are talking. It used to be much LOUDER, and I don't think the machine has anything to do with it. Perhaps new equipment or relocation of microphones.
But, don't they make microphones that you can attach to the Go~pros. If they do, I'd suggest adding them to the helmets. Or maybe attach them to your shirt, So we can hear what you're saying.
Something definitely is different. Hopefully, you can figure it out.
Again, I'm a big fan, and I definitely enjoy your videos. I'd also definitely purchase 1 of them CFMOTO SxS. 💪
You bring valuable knowledge to the OHV community & great content. Keep up the great work! 😋
@@brapppn-can-am-man6906thanks man. I wasn’t offended or upset by your comment. Like I mentioned I value this kind of feedback. I’m hoping I can dial in the audio over the next ride or two. Thanks for all the positive feedback. Happy to hear you’ve been watching for years and enjoy the content overall. Hope you stick around for many more years!!
The great pumpkin!
where are these trails ?
Windrock Park in Oliver Springs Tennessee, United States.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd thanks brother I really enjoy the video we are in North Carolina and I would love to get out there sometime it look like some awesome trails
What happened to your microphone?
The sleeper it like a sleeper race car
Segway should develop a driveshaft variant
Wow cf motos are selling out in texas😊
Lets be honest for rough trails that require wheel spin and ground clearance polaris rules the roost! From the factory me and my little crew have 23 1k xp, honda talon, yxz, canam maverick, and a cf moto c force. All 100 stock. We did some tests after a few rides together the xp had more ground clearance better acceleration than the non turbo machines. It also had the best torque granted im the owner of the xp but we talk alot of crap and as of yet im the only one who hasnt had to hook the winch. The only thing id say would trail better a buddy that rides once in a blue moon has a krx it was stock and had alot more ground clearance than even me stock. Speed still better on the xp
THUMBS UP if you DON'T think CFMOTO & SEGWAY have what it takes to hold up in the long run!
Need to name it "Cheap Seat"
lol, it’s still far from cheap… or not cheap enough at least. Either that or I need to make more money 😂 I do like the name idea though. Compared to many of the others it’s totally a cheap seat!!
@AdrenalineJunkieProd I love your videos. You have prompted me to buy a CFMoto. I pick up my z950 HO Ex tomorrow at the dealership. Look forward to seeing what you do with yours.
@@chasincheckers2132 congrats on the new ride man!! Glad you enjoy the videos and that they helped you choose a machine. I’ve been happy with the z-force so far. If it keeps working this well I’ll be very pleased.
You know you should call that Z the "PACIFIER"
Name it orange crush
It's weird my CF Moto 800 EX
Name of the machine should be NEMO
I try to read the comments but pls short sentences and only one at a time or leave them up longer.
Pops on Rev limiter