Remember it was first a UEFA case that run out of time and City was able to walk away, If not for this case the League would have taken action against City a few years ago.
I've never understood this argument, it's City's fault it's taken this long, not the EPL. City have been blocking and not cooperating at every single turn, plus it's 115 charges, 115.... The EPL didn't wrack that up, City did. Stop blaming the EPL for taking so long when the sheer scale of cheating was unprecedented.
Their money comes from people like you watching this drivel. Keep paying sky and BT, buying 4 figure season tickets, buying £100 shirts, so you can support your precious global kikeball teams. Kikeball fans are such morons honestly.
@0xmoo the rules within that democracy aren't very democratic though are they? .."the Premier league telling other people you can spend X or else you will be punished" a Democracy should if you have money you can invest in whatever you want as long as you can prove you have that money .. people stay the Premier league is becoming boring and it was better in 90s and 2000s the only thing that's changed is the laws on spending the Premier league was great when Chelsea came in and spend a fortune and stopped it being a 2 horse race every year same as Blackburn in 95 don't we want a competitive league ? Imagine you had 6 or 7 teams being able to build a squad spending however much they want to challenge City ?
I don’t often defend Danny Murphy, but why should he understand? He is a footballer first and foremost. Ultimately, the game will destroy itself. It is no longer the preserve of the working class
lmfao a room full of British and American hedgefund managers telling Arabs they must accept the results of the election where the terms are set against them before a vote is even cast is beautifully ironic.
@@everlastingbeats Because that's what you do when you're attacked numbnuts. City tried playing nice that's why they didn't make it into an issue when Liverpool hacked their emails, the time for playing nice is over.
Are you a bit short of thinking Greg? Stefan is saying City are unlikely to win the case about the Associated Party Rules… it’s completely different to the 115 charges that City are confident of winning. They’re two different cases.
@@dstewusa7054 Erm, there’s 1 brought by the Premier League against City and 1 brought by City against the Premier League. If you are referring to the UEFA case, City were cleared.
It's funny how matter of fact this guy was when talking about Everton and Forest, but the moment this comes up about his club, all of a sudden, he wants to justify what they're doing.
You guys all running with these Mr Borson agendas is getting ridiculous now. If you listened carefully you would hear on this vid, he clearly stated his opinion was that he thinks City are going to lose this case against the EPL. He also said that the only info he knows of this recent event is from a leak from a newspaper! Where did he justify what city are doing? Everton and Forest breaching FFP is an open and shut case. I believe both clubs agreed that they had breached and so it was just about the punishment. Thats very easy to establish the outcome and to make judgements in comparison to this City case. The difference being City are denying the charges, and like Stefan said in this video, what city are being accused of is the worst case of offence you can commit. Falsifying accounts! Which is much harder to prove. So let’s stop being big softies because our clubs are involved and doing the whole victim act. Let the man give his expert opinion
Well done on proving you know absolutely nothing about the case. The charges are relating to two of City’s biggest sponsors. Literally zero others. Other PL clubs were found to accept commercial agreements with companies with zero staff listed.
It is and has been working for New Castle... only a few years ago they where a yoyo Club. Now they are battling for champions league and where in a cup final.
This to me confirms Pep and others are leaving by next summer. Newcastle feel no need to challenge as they haven’t lost anything yet. City stand to lose all their ill gotten gains.
@@Leenufc Lol. Newcastle just tried to collapse the UK employment law system by demanding an obscene £20 million for Ashworth and threatening to destroy his career and place him on gardening leave for years, unless their absurd demands were met.
Must be a coincidence that the only club in the dock, has decided that the league is unlawful. I wonder would that be the case if they weren't looking down the barrel of a gun.
I'm a city fan insults like this are childish. I disagree with how corporate everything has got, I actually can have a critical view unlike most football fans. I dislike them using lawyers like this. We should just take what the PL decides and move on.
@samwize28 Do you have a job? Do you earn salary out of it? Now if I ask you to have a democratic vote in your office and at least 70% people need to vote in favour of you (you stand is to get larger salary than the juniors and smaller salary than seniors), tell me what will happen? You really think juniors, which definitely are much larger in number than the people of your position or your seniors, will vote for your higher salary than them juniors? And democracy is higher number of votes like more than 50% in case of choosing between 2 options or even less if more options, but not 70% of votes. That's literally tyrannical. That's City's point.
@@deepakpandey8240city position is they want to FAKE the value of sponsorship deals and use oil money to blow everyone out the water using state owned oil. This is what they have been accused off and now this is the case they bring? Unbelievable. Stinks of being guilty
@samwize28 That's not how things work man. If you reverse the roles then all the activities that UK does in UAE or Saudi, the business related activities, they should just leave if in contention with the local laws. I don't think they leave at all. Do they? When these City owners came, there were barely any laws. Even like 5 years ago all these revenue and spending related laws weren't there. And going forward we are looking at new laws basing the lower positioned team's revenue. Nobody signed for these, if they did, that was only forcefully because if someone has invested so much money, they can't just leave. But of course they will put up a fight if the imposed rules create hindrance. Everyone does, all across the world. I don't see anything wrong with that. Now if they are doing it cause of any other reason or its some tactics to help them in another case, then it's either really disturbing or masterstroke. We will have to wait and watch.
They allowed Jack Walker to drive up transfer fees by buying everyone up and putting them in Blackburn kits. We did overspend, but getting Shearer to come home was a stunt. The game changer that took us where we are now was the sale of Chelsea to Abramovich, where money was literally the birth of a "Super club" and one man's unbelievable funds were able to purchase the PL. It enabled them to buy Drogba and a whole plethora of top players, like a World All-stars squad. City were able to continue that model, by having a similar bottomless pit of wealth to cherry pick the outstanding players from any rival clubs....
The other 14 clubs should let the ESL wannabes all piss off and join Florentine Perez and his Superleague Circus, where they were all intent on going a few years ago. The PL never truly punished those clubs because they're too scared of driving them away....
The irony people who don't support Newcastle don't understand is that Mike Ashley (Newcastle's previous """owner""") used Newcastle as free advertisement for Sports Direct (his company), paying £0 for the priviledge while also entrenching his own brands in the club, for absolutely no monetary compensation. Now suddenly a new owner, with a lot of money, wants to use their companies to help Newcastle financially and it's instantly shut down and regulated. Nobody batted an eyelid when Mike Ashley was ripping the soul from the club, because it wasn't a threat to the so called Elite.
Yeah but Mike Ashley was only damaging Newcastle not making a disproportionately unfair playing field for the rest of the PL and thus fans of clubs not ran by the national investment vehicles of oil rich petro states. How is Newcastle being able to buy every elite player in world football good for football and the integrity of the premier league? Answer is, it isn’t
@@robbieshackleton8054funnily enough due to how he ran Newcastle actually put them in a hugely profitable situation year on year which allowed them to spend a lot more the last few years, he made them such a healthy club which probably attracted the Saudis
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@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Humans imagine tempoary delusions that don't matter, We are Slaves but we think ourselves into thinking we are not Some slave owners are nicer and fairer than others The Saudi Royal Family treat their slaves awfully
Hell never accept the results. Even when City get cleared of the charges he wont accept it hell just scream and cry and say they must have bribed the courts hell present no evidence of course @tomben6180
@@rosssloman1309 Don’t need look. As Khaldoon said today in his end of season review.. “we will be judged by facts, not hearsay in the media and on social media”. You can use it to excuse why your team didn’t win but it doesn’t mean anything.
@JulioTr95 lol it does sound like something a 14yo would say, too bad it was city. Agreed to the rules but don't like they can't just make the rules themselves. Hilarious.
This is naked financial pollution of our beautiful leagues. The PL need to grow a pair and protect our national game from these sportswashing bullies - Enough! Enough! Enough!
I can't stand city. Cheating of the highest order. However, let's be honest, this is ALL the PLs fault. They wanted foreign money; they welcomed it. They want to take the PL global, and have splashed their disgusting money all around the world. Now they want to act shocked that the fox has turned on the hen house...?
To paraphrase the late great Brian Clough "Take all your medals and all your pots and all your pans and put them in the biggest dustbin you can find because you got them all by bloody cheating" Relegate 'Citeh' to the national league north. 😏
Well done on copying and pasting the same meme posted by bitter Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal fans online. Relegate City to the national league for what exactly?
@@shoutinghorse its not remotely the same those leeds players played filthy the city players amd TEAM have been phenomenal andbplayed stunnijg football its the higher uos that's the problem
Jhit this is an separate case and why not it make alot of sense to sue the PL for they allegation trying to make city look bad it’s 100 percent go for me
The rules were pretty loose until 2012, when the big 6 at the time suddenly realised Man City were going to steamroller everything going forward, since then its been a stitch up to clip City's wings
As an American watching this video all I can tell you is that foreign money has made the premier league the best league in the world and one of those contributors of that is Manchester City,,,don't shoot yourself on the foot.
No one was fussed when Mike Ashley used to offer below market rate sponsorship deals to his associated companies given Newcastle’s commercial revenue was ahead of spurs before his takeover and never increased after it
Of course they weren't bothered. These rules have to be approved by the majority of the clubs in the league, why would they be upset about something that was weakening one of their rivals? That was a problem for Newcastle only. It's the same thing that happens at United with the Glazers taking out dividends, of course the other teams won't bother to try to stop that. On the other hand, having a club artifically inflate their sponsorships will obviously get the other teams that don't have rich oil sugar daddies riled up to try to stop it. It's called democracy.
@@purplebutterfly314all take dividends out of the club. That's not the argument. Being sponsored by sports direct and getting no financial reward for it was disgusting
Funny thing is that City themselves have used the rules they now see unfair. They voted against United and Liverpool getting a bigger share of the broadcasting revenue ( more fans watching the games).
Please please please throw the book at them,theyre a good team, great manager,but not giving 2 ducks about rules and just throwing money at everything is just ruining the game. THESE KIND OF PEOPLE WITH BILLIONS NEED TO BE KEPT AWAY FROM SPORT,NEEDS TO BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL.
A level playing field would be a fixed (not %age) spending limit on transfers and wages. Most city fans would support this. They wouldn't support rules enabling the richest clubs in terms of revenue to prevent challenge on the pitch
Funnily enough that villa can’t get a good front of shirt sponsor but Newcastle managed to get very easily a 20m sponsor just off getting top 4, the very best a non top 6 club has ever gotten was Everton at 12m even Leicester after getting the title didn’t get close to it
Nah Leicester we’re getting £12 million from King Power then FSB took over and paid more though the sum wasn’t disclosed Leicester described it as record amount
Whats is sad is to see the Premier act innocent like they didn’t know what City was doing, the money is more important to them than the integrity of the English league
It was a part of the reason they brought the rules in. Proving fraud is difficult when you have government level of power. Able to seize evidence, give subpoenas, raid offices. The prem has to ask.
@@johnhopkinson4054 Why has it taken the PL nigh on 10 years to come up with the allegations? Supposed you were speeding in your car 10 years ago and the Police have just decided to prosecute you, you'd be happy would you?
The Premier League is so cooked. The whole "best league in the world" thing is like when Americans say the U.S. is the greatest country on earth. Total facade
Man City shills like this chap want you to believe that this is all too complicated and the layman could never understand the complexities of this situation. We understand mate, and we see straight through you.
Remember when this guy was going in on Chelsea based on rumours and hypothetical outcomes whilst casually dismissing the voracity of the charges against City..He's a shill for City and as of today Chelsea still have not been charged with anything..He's not objective and quick to judge others !
Well if Chelsea doesn’t get themselves back into top four then there going to be missing out on a lot of money The amount of money Chelsea spent on transfers fees in the last three transfer windows is ridiculous and the wage bill is probably even more ridiculous Especially the players they signed for no reason because there is no space in that squad for them
No one puts much respect on City these days. It’s such a shame for players like KDB that this shitshow overshadows most of his career. City’s owners need to man up and accept majority vote of all clubs and stop acting like petty dictators.
They have been kicking the can down the road for ages and only now chose to sue the Premier League over the APT rules, why now?... because they know this will impede the 115 case in November if they lose this one and they are more than ever aware whats coming in the form of punishment further down the line. Its the Premier League duty now to win and restore integrity in the League , because if the PL losses this, their credibility and reputation goes too.
Lol. City has won 6 of the last 7 premier leagues. Even if they charge City, the premier leagues credibility is already gone. It would only make it worse in my opinion.
Why now? Because the AP rules changed in Feb and the arbritation hearing was set for June. It is all confidential as per PL rules and only reason we know about it is due to a leak
You make it sound like the investigation has come post charges and the Premier League have to investigate because City were charged 😂 The Premier League brought the charges after their own investigation.
There is no doubt that the likes of Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal have pushed for these rules to try and stop City and now Newcastle. In City's case it hasn't worked though. City haven't even been the biggest spending club for the last 6 years and are still way ahead of everyone else.
@AlexPaulMason-nl8yk I'm not even a City fan. I just don't think they've done anything wrong. All they've done is upset the traditional big clubs and they don't like it. Long may it continue
If you cheat for a decade to get into the position so you can have a lower net spend that doesn’t make it impressive pal haha They have been selling players they bought cheating mate 🤷♂️
If you set up a business and buy your infrastructure in the first few years, you’re overheads are going to be less in the future. Of course you spend less once you have it all already.
He stated the other month to Simon that they will be found not guilty of all charges as they had done nothing wrong. Now Man City, Pep oh and the bookies make it look like they have done something wrong. He says they're taking the premier league to court because the rules are wrong. Al Man City fans have gone quiet as they know it's coming
@@britpackdog4545 You mean the emails the EPL has from Der Spiegel from Football Leaks that show premeditated fraud to pay staff and players off the books. How in Earth are you not aware of this. They have emails between execs planning the way forward to cheat FFP. Where have you been?
As a real madrid fan, I have I'm gratefull laliga does not allow this type of ownership to come to spain, and I feel sorry for english football that has given us a lot of joy over the years.
You just mad that he’s actually spitting facts and not convicting city like the rest of the Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool fans who are mad that they can’t beat city on the pitch so now they’re hoping the premier league can help them out.
@@eddiechea3603 lol who said I was mad. It's just an observation that he's clearly not providing unbiased commentary on the issue. You sound like an overly defensive city fan though that's for sure
how is he bias when he just said they are likely to lose the case? When someone with the actual basic knowledge of this type of problems speaks (unlike the majority of comment sections of socials) looks like they are defending city when they just present you the real case
Let’s get it straight.. this is what happens when state owned football clubs are allowed. The government have already met Abu Dhabi representatives and have attempted to help them brush it under the carpet saying it would be bad for relations between countries. Clown show
Man U , Chelsea , spurs and arsenal all feathered their nests before all these rules were brought in and unless the rules are changed the top 6 will never change apart from the odd brief inclusion!!
@@howardramaru6674 They didn't win that case at all. The case was dropped because of a time limitation. Winning the case and having it thrown out on a technicality are not the same thing.
@@alfieb6711 That is irrelevant. He still worked for them. Therefore he will always have bias, it's just natural. Should be someone who has never had any affiliation with City in any capacity. Is that really that difficult to comprehend?
Racism and Realest. One without the other you're just a follower. Church on Sunday shite. How do you know this? Stalking mum again? Counting..... and very accurate. Reminiscing. OR Perhaps deja vu on your part?
Man City have rattled that many fans that people think the Premier League is some squeaky clean operation that’s run with everyone’s best interest…….. Seems a lot of plastics are desperate for an excuse for why they’ve fallen short albeit getting really annoyed about something they know nothing about. Circus.
Reason sponsorships is hard to get is cuz of greedy players and agents, wages and costs are so high now that clubs want more sponsorship money and big companies don’t want to pay the big money clubs want…sooner there’s a drop in tv money or at least it’s stable then wages are going to have to start doing same or players can go off to Saudi if they prefer money over their “love of the game”
Why would it put off sponsors? All it means is that there are limits to how much they are allowed to pay, so they will inevitably get a better deal, if anything.
if they're investing presumably they think football is a gold value growing market... they'll be investing at market rates set by independent bodies.. so what's the problem then?
Or maybe you are blinded with your bias. As a neutral, let it play out. Your last sentence suggests you have an agenda when at it stands it’s innocent till proven guilty.
Bias mongo, you didn't even listen the video. He says the case will not work. So blinkered you just can't help using that sucker on the keyboard. Probably a Guildford plastic scouser
This, of course, has an almost nuclear potential to destroy English football. The fall-out alone may be alone to do that.The game simply cannot absorb the global ambitions - greed - of those at the top. When law fare breaks out, its all over.
@JulioTr95 No one else should spend. Fanbase size should keep everyone in their place. United have spent more than what City are accused of "cheating" to get. Idk what their excuse is
This completely relates to the 115. If they can prove that Etihad should be able to pay what they want in deals now, they can point to the old rules and say there were also wrong. They are trying to chip away as many of the 115 as they can. I wouldn't be surprised to see more cases appear. What they also forget to mention is that UEFA and FIFA have stricter rules and so even is city win, they cannot spend as they want ECL and World club football.
In many tech businesses, sponsors have to tell marketplaces what their intentions and purposes are when making deals - but not for each specific vendor they're working with. I guess football's a little different. 😅
Cheat the system very blatantly, Now when you are about to be taken action against you and to be called cheater, try to remove all the rules that makes you cheater. Now you are no longer called cheater. 😂😂😂
If all the other clubs want to only stop city’s success, why weren’t United charged through such collusion in the past? Why are Bayern and PSG still in existence? Let’s not be ridiculous in our arguments.
The rules would work for Man City and Newcastle if the owners were prepared to grow the business over a period of time, but in this day and age nobody has any patience and they would ideally want to pump loads of money in to the club and have instant success. Clubs like Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal didn’t suddenly become big clubs overnight they had to grow the club and the fan base over time.
that's true but if you look back they had the most say at league meetings and ALWAYS wanted more of the pie than the others and they got it through rule changes - once the got wealthy money generates money - but now people with deeper pockest come along and they don't like it up em
The rules didn't exist before they took over. The rules seem to target them the most and changed when others hit the ceiling. The rule they are actually challenging came in 2021.
It's not about any of the rules that were in place in the last 10 years, it's not even about the ones that were rushed in, in 2021(APT) as a knee-jerk reaction to the Newcastle takeover. It's about the recent *updates to the APT regulations,* announced in February 2024. City made an official statement that they would be challenging them legally if they attempted to put them in place(possibly wanted amendments?) and that's where we are now. City may not have liked some of the rules introduced since 2011 or voted all of them in but they never challenged them legally. So this is different and people should view it as such. So unlike with all the other rules which were either aimed directly at stifling their growth or future clubs like them, City must have felt something in this latest set of updates was a step too far(legally so at that). Also, if the PL/it's members are attempting to introduce rules which are discriminatory and/or contravene anti-competition laws, then a majority vote would become irrelevant. They'd be attempting to enforce unlawful rules and the PL would deserve punishment/fines etc. I don't see why the times placed so much focus on a small line of text as if the whole case was built around the fact that they don't agree with a majority vote(very doubtful as Stefan said, context could be key and help us make more sense of it).... Oh wait a minute, the UK press covering a City story? Of course we know why he placed so much focus, on the one thing that would paint City's legal complaint in the worst possible light. It's what they always do. Newcastle fans are only beginning to get a small taste of what it's like now and they're viewing the City coverage in a different light already. Shame that's what it takes for anyone to truly look at things objectively. ps - Wasn't it said to be 100+ of pages? Why aren't we questioning who leaked it? How come only one journalist got to see it and why did one of the member clubs leak it? They've put the PL at further legal risk and should be subject to charges themselves... Both sides are bound by confidentiality laws on this(especially the PL), which is why City weren't silly enough to comment or offer any further info.
@user-pn8nc8pr3z Aint gonna happen, they know they are in the mud when Pep, KDB, Rodri etc finally leaves and they cant replace them with 200 million pound bench warmers.
“It could scare potential sponsors away” in reference to explaining the intra company sponsors….. well only if it’s dodgy as otherwise it’s just form filling which you pay a lawyer to do
I havent paid any taxes in years, the rates are totally unfair and they hold me back in life. I have submitted many requests to the government to change the tax laws. I will continue holidaying with the money i save as when laws are changed then im not guilty anymore. Its disgraceful that the government were voted in by the majority in the first place.
Unless those taxes didn't exist b4 and seemingly only holds you back and changes when your competitors hit the same ceiling it was meant to hold u. Can you say how these rules actually benefit the league?
@@LionKingMCFC it doesn't matter. The fact is the rules were voted by the majority (that's called a democratic vote) and City felt free to break them anyway. Now they wish to sue after the fact as it's time to face the music. Why didn't they try to sue for the rules being unfair before breaking them?
don’t agree with the ffp/psr (whatever iteration) rules. If an owner can afford it. Lucky for that club. However. The rules are the rules. And those rules are agreed by all the clubs. That system has made the prem a very profitable league. Instead of this they should work with the clubs to propose a better system for the league. For example, teams can spend what they like, but all player contracts and staff costs, the value of them, needs to be held in escrow. That is what the nfl does. You hand out a big contract. You have to put that money into escrow. Proving you have the funds and no matter what, staff and players always get their pay. Also, you are only allowed to leverage a certain amount of debt against the club. So you can’t run up a huge bill against the club you can’t actually afford. Again nfl does this. There are debt limits. Lots of better solutions. But taking the league to court. Struggle to see who wins in this.
If the Owner can afford it - there lies the problem the RED CARTEL do not want that because they are no longer the richest kids on the block and the share of to gravy train is diminishing for them
I'm a City fan, and my speculation is this; It depends whether you want football to be a sport, or a business competition. The Premier League is a business. The Premier Leagues formation was a wealth grab, where the founding members of the Premier League got a bigger share of the revenues from Sky TV et cetera than non-Premier League members. The old football league used to be run on a more egalitarian, sporting competitive format. Where the richest clubs to some extent subsidised the poorest clubs, to make the leagues a more sporting level playing field. This meant that clubs like Nottingham Forest could come out of the 2nd division, win the first division and win the European cup. For not only was the English league and more sportingly even league, so was Europe. The European cup was just a European wide sporting competition, not the massive profit producing Champions League we have today. The Champions League and the Premier League created super wealthy clubs like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, and others. Every year their bench was more valuable than most other teams whole team. And where Real Madrid and Barcelona would often have "Galactico" players for which was paid world-record prices. Since the Premier league Manchester United has broken the "record spend on a player record" more times than any other club in history. Manchester United would use its economic power to nobble opponents, such as Newcastle, by buying their star player for a record price, Andy Cole. Did Abramovich by Chelsea as a plaything, I'm not sure. His spending blew everybody else out of the water. But he also had a long term plan of stockpiling players throughout Europe, upon which he made money, but never played for Chelsea. Perhaps he saw a gap in the market. A lot of people thought the Sheikh had bought Manchester City as a plaything. More recently "sports washing". But the truth is, this is a BILLIONAIRE interested in diversifying his wealth production from oil, to other fields. In this case wealth production through sports ownership, not just in England, but 13 clubs throughout the world. This will be done by creating a brand through a major club, Manchester City, through the use of business best practice in every area of the club. Not just the best manager in the world, but the best in the world of physios, secretaries, CEOs, EVERYWHERE. This guy isn't motivated by image, religion, or anything else other than MAKING MONEY. This is nothing new. Harry Redknapp, I think, said a long time ago "if you look at the wage bills of any teams in the Premier league in a league table, the league table of wages virtually perfectly matches where the team will end up in the Premier League at the end of the "sporting" season. The Premier league is an ECONOMIC competition, to make the biggest profits, and through that produce the best football teams ever seen. The Premier League is already the European Super League. Throughout the league from top to bottom we have the best football athletes in the world. The Premier League is more competitive now, with the first time in its history a 3 horse race for winning the Premier league (2 within 2 weeks for 3 teams, and on the final day of the season for 2), than it's ever been. The champions league, less so. As the Premier league is economically crushing all the other European leagues. THIS is why so many of the old money clubs of Europe are desperate for the European Super League, because without that money trough they will become extinct. Look for example at Barcelona and all the other the old money clubs of Europe, they are becoming economically derelict. Show Sheikh Mansour is interested in nothing else but making money. This is one business competing with other businesses according to the rules. Competition Laws. LAW, trumps any organisation's rules in a country. So the Premier League can have any rules it wants, but if they do not comply to the law of the land, they are illegal in this country so they are null and void. City fans have been trying to explain this to other fans for years now. The old money clubs like Manchester United had a monopoly. Every year they created massive profits, every year they bought the best players, every year they won the best prize money, every year they created massive profits, every year they bought the best players, every year they won the best prize money, for 13 Premier League titles out of 18!!! Manchester United absolutely economically dominated the league, and through the economic domination dominated the league in 'sport' (well sport without a sporting chance). Teams like Leeds and Manchester City have lashed out the cash to trying catch United a couple of decades ago, and it almost broke both clubs. City have always been one of the biggest spenders in England's top flight, through which it amassed the 6th highest points tally in the history of the English top-flight. But United crushed as a business allcomers. United never had any limits on what they could spend, and nor did Arsenal Liverpool Blackburn and Chelsea. In 2021 The Premier League brought in the "Newcastle rule". A rule specifically designed to stymie Newcastle from using its newfound wealth to outcompete the old money businesses of United Liverpool and Arsenal. This is why Pep Guardiola said about the 115 charges "as Julius Caesar said there are no friends there are no enemies, there are only interests (economic)". The majority of clubs in the Premier league have got together and said "look, if we don't protect what we've got we will lose the lot, as these new billionaires run their clubs more efficiently and just blow us out of the water. So we will create this rule that stops Newcastle from financially doping the team, like United Arsenal Liverpool Blackburn and Chelsea did." Does this Premier league rule break England's business antimonopoly laws on competition? The lawyers will decide.
This is why we need to scrutinise owners before they buy clubs. The premier league should not be a competition decided on who has the biggest sponsors but who's more savvy on and off the pitch. Rules are there for a reason, play by the rules.
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The bottom line is that whichever way this 115 goes the Prem League are a disgrace for how long all this has taken...
Unlike Laliga who took more than 14 years to free Barcelona of bribery charges? 💀
They've had to make a cast iron. water tight case because City have a million lawyers.
Remember it was first a UEFA case that run out of time and City was able to walk away, If not for this case the League would have taken action against City a few years ago.
I've never understood this argument, it's City's fault it's taken this long, not the EPL. City have been blocking and not cooperating at every single turn, plus it's 115 charges, 115.... The EPL didn't wrack that up, City did. Stop blaming the EPL for taking so long when the sheer scale of cheating was unprecedented.
Premier league team of the year should just be City's legal department.
Spot on 😂😂
City still to win. Red (United, Liverpool & Arsenal) vs Blue (City, Chelsea, Newcastle etc)
@@Emperor-Inker cringe
Hooligans never killed the game like the corporates have.
That doesn't condone hooliganism though.
Both pathetic.
Their money comes from people like you watching this drivel. Keep paying sky and BT, buying 4 figure season tickets, buying £100 shirts, so you can support your precious global kikeball teams. Kikeball fans are such morons honestly.
Your right, hooligans only killed people!
They have destroyed competitive football not only in UK but all off Europe
You mean a club owned by an absolute monarchy has a problem dealing within a framework of democracy? We’re shocked!
Oddsjet that’s the comment sir 🙌🏽
It's not a democracy tho. That's the problem.
@@spark556 why not? Clubs have to vote
@spark556 it is 14 clubs have to agree to any rules I suppose City just want the big 6 to do what they want
@0xmoo the rules within that democracy aren't very democratic though are they? .."the Premier league telling other people you can spend X or else you will be punished" a Democracy should if you have money you can invest in whatever you want as long as you can prove you have that money .. people stay the Premier league is becoming boring and it was better in 90s and 2000s the only thing that's changed is the laws on spending the Premier league was great when Chelsea came in and spend a fortune and stopped it being a 2 horse race every year same as Blackburn in 95 don't we want a competitive league ? Imagine you had 6 or 7 teams being able to build a squad spending however much they want to challenge City ?
The rules haven't stymied City because they haven't followed them
Ha ha…sounds reasonable 👍🏻
Danny Murphy saying listeners can’t understand the intricacies? As if he can 😂😂😂
I’m confident the average viewer has a higher IQ than Danny Murphy
😂😂😂😂😂
I don’t often defend Danny Murphy, but why should he understand? He is a footballer first and foremost. Ultimately, the game will destroy itself. It is no longer the preserve of the working class
@@yorkshirelad1050its not looking good for the future of football😢
He’s an absolute Wally 😂
City claiming Tyranny is beautifully ironic.
Behave.
How so?
Where is the evidence? Stop assuming that city are guilty or whatsoever
@@s4tt3r52if they aren’t guilty, why are they at war with the PL?
lmfao a room full of British and American hedgefund managers telling Arabs they must accept the results of the election where the terms are set against them before a vote is even cast is beautifully ironic.
@@everlastingbeats Because that's what you do when you're attacked numbnuts. City tried playing nice that's why they didn't make it into an issue when Liverpool hacked their emails, the time for playing nice is over.
Do you remember when Stefan was telling us how relaxed the Man City hierarchy was about the charges?
Are you a bit short of thinking Greg? Stefan is saying City are unlikely to win the case about the Associated Party Rules… it’s completely different to the 115 charges that City are confident of winning.
They’re two different cases.
@tomben6180
Yes. Multiple cases associated with MCFC - it’s becoming a theme…🤔
@@dstewusa7054 Erm, there’s 1 brought by the Premier League against City and 1 brought by City against the Premier League.
If you are referring to the UEFA case, City were cleared.
@@tomben6180they ain't winning
@@kinghenry3693 Ain’t winning what?
It's funny how matter of fact this guy was when talking about Everton and Forest, but the moment this comes up about his club, all of a sudden, he wants to justify what they're doing.
Oh wait till he talks "matter of fact" about Chelsea as well. Biased dude he is.
▪︎LiVARpool caught Hacking
▪︎Everton admit to FFP Cheating
▪︎City found Not Guilty in Court
▪︎City are Cheats?😂
▪︎Talksport Censoring comments stating
▪︎LiVARpool been caught Hacking
▪︎Everton admitted to FFP Cheating
▪︎Talksport paid by LiVARpool,Everton?😂
Did he work with Everton or forest in the past? If not you could understand why he might have more knowledge or loose info on City mate
You guys all running with these Mr Borson agendas is getting ridiculous now. If you listened carefully you would hear on this vid, he clearly stated his opinion was that he thinks City are going to lose this case against the EPL. He also said that the only info he knows of this recent event is from a leak from a newspaper! Where did he justify what city are doing?
Everton and Forest breaching FFP is an open and shut case. I believe both clubs agreed that they had breached and so it was just about the punishment. Thats very easy to establish the outcome and to make judgements in comparison to this City case. The difference being City are denying the charges, and like Stefan said in this video, what city are being accused of is the worst case of offence you can commit. Falsifying accounts! Which is much harder to prove. So let’s stop being big softies because our clubs are involved and doing the whole victim act. Let the man give his expert opinion
Jim and Simon? Oh wait, holidaying in Arabia.
And?
😂
@@TT-hx9njThe Turky flew them out
@@eXpressYourselfClips
And?
@TT-hx9nj shut up pal 😂
City has been breaking rules for over a decade. One Sponsor had no staff, and another had total assets of £ 1229.
Well done on proving you know absolutely nothing about the case.
The charges are relating to two of City’s biggest sponsors. Literally zero others.
Other PL clubs were found to accept commercial agreements with companies with zero staff listed.
It is and has been working for New Castle... only a few years ago they where a yoyo Club. Now they are battling for champions league and where in a cup final.
This to me confirms Pep and others are leaving by next summer. Newcastle feel no need to challenge as they haven’t lost anything yet. City stand to lose all their ill gotten gains.
Newcastle are playing by the rules as we should be
▪︎City bored of beating Lpool,Assn
▪︎Everytime City win Title
▪︎PL announce Charges/Accusations
▪︎City be like we want to beat PL 😂
Yep. Pep will be gone by then, at least other clubs get a chance to win the EPL.
@@Leenufc Lol. Newcastle just tried to collapse the UK employment law system by demanding an obscene £20 million for Ashworth and threatening to destroy his career and place him on gardening leave for years, unless their absurd demands were met.
The only thing being lost in the red fans minds hahahahahahaha
Cant wait for this fella to comeback on the show after the 115 hearing
City suing the premier league for the same rules they agreed on 😂😂😂
Yeah screams innocence
City voted against these rule
@dre tough its the rule.
Why are they suing against it is they never broke the rule then?
@@Dre4peatthey signed up to the rules, whether they agreed with them or not the simple fact is that they signed up to them
@matthewbarber13 because Terry said it doesn't make it valid. The rules should benefit the league as a whole not certain clubs.
@@LionKingMCFC City complaining the rules are unfair because it doesn’t benefit them. Pathetic.
Must be a coincidence that the only club in the dock, has decided that the league is unlawful. I wonder would that be the case if they weren't looking down the barrel of a gun.
Why doesn't City just get sponsorship from somewhere else?
Oh right, they can't because they don't have fans outside Manchester
I'm a city fan insults like this are childish. I disagree with how corporate everything has got, I actually can have a critical view unlike most football fans. I dislike them using lawyers like this. We should just take what the PL decides and move on.
@samwize28 Do you have a job? Do you earn salary out of it? Now if I ask you to have a democratic vote in your office and at least 70% people need to vote in favour of you (you stand is to get larger salary than the juniors and smaller salary than seniors), tell me what will happen? You really think juniors, which definitely are much larger in number than the people of your position or your seniors, will vote for your higher salary than them juniors?
And democracy is higher number of votes like more than 50% in case of choosing between 2 options or even less if more options, but not 70% of votes. That's literally tyrannical.
That's City's point.
@@deepakpandey8240then leave
@@deepakpandey8240city position is they want to FAKE the value of sponsorship deals and use oil money to blow everyone out the water using state owned oil. This is what they have been accused off and now this is the case they bring? Unbelievable. Stinks of being guilty
@samwize28 That's not how things work man.
If you reverse the roles then all the activities that UK does in UAE or Saudi, the business related activities, they should just leave if in contention with the local laws. I don't think they leave at all. Do they?
When these City owners came, there were barely any laws. Even like 5 years ago all these revenue and spending related laws weren't there. And going forward we are looking at new laws basing the lower positioned team's revenue. Nobody signed for these, if they did, that was only forcefully because if someone has invested so much money, they can't just leave. But of course they will put up a fight if the imposed rules create hindrance. Everyone does, all across the world.
I don't see anything wrong with that. Now if they are doing it cause of any other reason or its some tactics to help them in another case, then it's either really disturbing or masterstroke. We will have to wait and watch.
Very few have integrity these days and that guy on the right is not one of them
The one one five? Is that his attempt to make it sound better than one hundred fifteen?
He only said it at least 3 times in less than 10 seconds in his first sentence.
In his defence at the start he said its actually more than 115
@@VP-fx3nf but did he say more than 115 or more than one hundred and fifteen?
@@hicks3749 😂😂
Tbf one one five does have a nice ring to it.
Throw them out...they be looking to ban gay players next...once the league allowed this ownership model..they were screwed
They allowed Jack Walker to drive up transfer fees by buying everyone up and putting them in Blackburn kits. We did overspend, but getting Shearer to come home was a stunt.
The game changer that took us where we are now was the sale of Chelsea to Abramovich, where money was literally the birth of a "Super club" and one man's unbelievable funds were able to purchase the PL. It enabled them to buy Drogba and a whole plethora of top players, like a World All-stars squad. City were able to continue that model, by having a similar bottomless pit of wealth to cherry pick the outstanding players from any rival clubs....
Its like a drink driver complaining about the drink driving laws
Other 19 clubs should just handover the title to City and form a separate league
😂
The other 14 clubs should let the ESL wannabes all piss off and join Florentine Perez and his Superleague Circus, where they were all intent on going a few years ago.
The PL never truly punished those clubs because they're too scared of driving them away....
The irony people who don't support Newcastle don't understand is that Mike Ashley (Newcastle's previous """owner""") used Newcastle as free advertisement for Sports Direct (his company), paying £0 for the priviledge while also entrenching his own brands in the club, for absolutely no monetary compensation. Now suddenly a new owner, with a lot of money, wants to use their companies to help Newcastle financially and it's instantly shut down and regulated. Nobody batted an eyelid when Mike Ashley was ripping the soul from the club, because it wasn't a threat to the so called Elite.
Does he cut off your arms if you say something bad about him?
@@AlexPaulMason-nl8yk No, worse! He renames the stadium to Sports Direct Arena!
Lol the problem is not that they are doing it, it’s that they are lying about the figures
Yeah but Mike Ashley was only damaging Newcastle not making a disproportionately unfair playing field for the rest of the PL and thus fans of clubs not ran by the national investment vehicles of oil rich petro states. How is Newcastle being able to buy every elite player in world football good for football and the integrity of the premier league? Answer is, it isn’t
@@robbieshackleton8054funnily enough due to how he ran Newcastle actually put them in a hugely profitable situation year on year which allowed them to spend a lot more the last few years, he made them such a healthy club which probably attracted the Saudis
Democracy and Middle East don’t go hand in hand! They wouldn’t know😂
Especially when only one of those allows you to keep your hands 😄
So in your very stupid opinion, City is fighting against democracy? What a waste of oxygen!
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If a Govt/Corporates/College
▪︎Criminalize protesting against
▪︎Starvation,Death Camps,Gassing/White Phosphorus,Dehumanization,Pogroms,Mass Graves,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
▪︎Pro-Democracy or Pro-Nazi?
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Humans imagine tempoary delusions that don't matter,
We are Slaves but we think ourselves into thinking we are not
Some slave owners are nicer and fairer than others
The Saudi Royal Family treat their slaves awfully
You're Indian.... remember who cleans the toilets in Dubai xD
They are going to moan again when they find out the judge isn’t a Man City fan
You’re going to moan when you realise City aren’t guilty and win
Hell never accept the results. Even when City get cleared of the charges he wont accept it hell just scream and cry and say they must have bribed the courts hell present no evidence of course @tomben6180
@@tomben6180good luck with that. 😂
@@rosssloman1309 Don’t need look. As Khaldoon said today in his end of season review.. “we will be judged by facts, not hearsay in the media and on social media”.
You can use it to excuse why your team didn’t win but it doesn’t mean anything.
@@tomben6180lay off the state funded propaganda juice lad
"The tyranny of the majority" tells you all you need to know about the owner's mindset.
yea bro the 14 y/o arsenal fan that wrote that in a tweet must be salty
@JulioTr95 lol it does sound like something a 14yo would say, too bad it was city. Agreed to the rules but don't like they can't just make the rules themselves. Hilarious.
How have the rules benefited the league... apart from holding back certain clubs.
@@LionKingMCFC the point being MC is one of those beneficiaries who is now complaining that it's holding them back lmao
Yeah the 12 American owners are manipulating things behind the scenes
This is naked financial pollution of our beautiful leagues. The PL need to grow a pair and protect our national game from these sportswashing bullies - Enough! Enough! Enough!
Baby
Without foreign money the PL will basically be the championship
I can't stand city. Cheating of the highest order. However, let's be honest, this is ALL the PLs fault. They wanted foreign money; they welcomed it. They want to take the PL global, and have splashed their disgusting money all around the world. Now they want to act shocked that the fox has turned on the hen house...?
Kick em oot
@@denisako6493 bring in the 3 foreigner rule and it will be at the same level for sure
To paraphrase the late great Brian Clough "Take all your medals and all your pots and all your pans and put them in the biggest dustbin you can find because you got them all by bloody cheating"
Relegate 'Citeh' to the national league north. 😏
Well done on copying and pasting the same meme posted by bitter Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal fans online.
Relegate City to the national league for what exactly?
@@tomben6180 Oh dear, are you offended? Cry harder.
@@shoutinghorse No go on… what are saying being relegated for?
You mean Cloughie who bought the league and european cup by smashing transfer records at the time
@@shoutinghorse its not remotely the same those leeds players played filthy the city players amd TEAM have been phenomenal andbplayed stunnijg football its the higher uos that's the problem
City are beyond laughable. If they were innocent would they be bringing this case?
No.
Jhit this is an separate case and why not it make alot of sense to sue the PL for they allegation trying to make city look bad it’s 100 percent go for me
Because the rules that didn't exist years ago seem to only target their type of ownership.
The guy in the video just said that are 2 diferent cases...
If you watch the video you’ll learn you tit!
2 different cases…are u that dumb?
Football is a business now. Undermining the competition is part of multi national company games.
The rules were pretty loose until 2012, when the big 6 at the time suddenly realised Man City were going to steamroller everything going forward, since then its been a stitch up to clip City's wings
As an American watching this video all I can tell you is that foreign money has made the premier league the best league in the world and one of those contributors of that is Manchester City,,,don't shoot yourself on the foot.
No one was fussed when Mike Ashley used to offer below market rate sponsorship deals to his associated companies given Newcastle’s commercial revenue was ahead of spurs before his takeover and never increased after it
Newcastle didn't win anything, it's just bitter little daft football school boys crying because their team didn't win.
Of course they weren't bothered. These rules have to be approved by the majority of the clubs in the league, why would they be upset about something that was weakening one of their rivals? That was a problem for Newcastle only. It's the same thing that happens at United with the Glazers taking out dividends, of course the other teams won't bother to try to stop that. On the other hand, having a club artifically inflate their sponsorships will obviously get the other teams that don't have rich oil sugar daddies riled up to try to stop it. It's called democracy.
@@purplebutterfly314all take dividends out of the club. That's not the argument. Being sponsored by sports direct and getting no financial reward for it was disgusting
All the youtube lawyers and financial experts are back 😂😂😂
They are about as impartial as Simon borston
No need to be a financial expert or a lawyer. A 6yr old can figure out MC's been comitting financial fraud.....
@@potjhm1 you do know the difference between charges and being guilty 🤔
@@potjhm1funny u say that when u couldn’t even see these are 2 different cases
This has nothing to do with law 🤣🤣🤣
The approach is a classic legal strategy, weaken the party you are about to go into a legal tussle with prior to the 115 charges are heard.
Funny thing is that City themselves have used the rules they now see unfair. They voted against United and Liverpool getting a bigger share of the broadcasting revenue ( more fans watching the games).
Could tell you've just watch TFT
That's a false statement. City don't need to have any restrictions
Did you watch the video?
Please please please throw the book at them,theyre a good team, great manager,but not giving 2 ducks about rules and just throwing money at everything is just ruining the game. THESE KIND OF PEOPLE WITH BILLIONS NEED TO BE KEPT AWAY FROM SPORT,NEEDS TO BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL.
18 of the 20 clubs have billionaire owners. 16 have multi billionaire owners. Man city are the 3rd most wealthy owners
A level playing field would be a fixed (not %age) spending limit on transfers and wages.
Most city fans would support this.
They wouldn't support rules enabling the richest clubs in terms of revenue to prevent challenge on the pitch
Ie likes of Luton can spend the same as utd, Liverpool and arsenal.
Fair? Agreed?
Funnily enough that villa can’t get a good front of shirt sponsor but Newcastle managed to get very easily a 20m sponsor just off getting top 4, the very best a non top 6 club has ever gotten was Everton at 12m even Leicester after getting the title didn’t get close to it
Nah Leicester we’re getting £12 million from King Power then FSB took over and paid more though the sum wasn’t disclosed Leicester described it as record amount
Whats is sad is to see the Premier act innocent like they didn’t know what City was doing, the money is more important to them than the integrity of the English league
It was a part of the reason they brought the rules in. Proving fraud is difficult when you have government level of power. Able to seize evidence, give subpoenas, raid offices.
The prem has to ask.
That makes no sense, if they are acting innocent based on what City have been doing why have they charged them with over 115 offences ?
They didn't act innocent. They have spent the last 4 years investigating them
@@johnhopkinson4054 Why has it taken the PL nigh on 10 years to come up with the allegations? Supposed you were speeding in your car 10 years ago and the Police have just decided to prosecute you, you'd be happy would you?
😂😂 Delete your comment
The Premier League is so cooked. The whole "best league in the world" thing is like when Americans say the U.S. is the greatest country on earth. Total facade
Only thing cooked mate are city’s books 😂😂😂
USA is best, where else can you get meth in less than 10 minutes?
No talk ever about americans
the USA is the greatest country on earth. You can be mad about it and cope and seethe, but you can't deny it. It's a fact.
Man City shills like this chap want you to believe that this is all too complicated and the layman could never understand the complexities of this situation. We understand mate, and we see straight through you.
Agree - it is not rocket science 😊
Can guess who you support. He’s literally simplified it. The fact you think it’s too complicated after he’s simplified it says more about you.
@christopherbutton1804
They should televise it all, then we peasants wouldn’t be so “in the weeds” about everything 😆
Remember when this guy was going in on Chelsea based on rumours and hypothetical outcomes whilst casually dismissing the voracity of the charges against City..He's a shill for City and as of today Chelsea still have not been charged with anything..He's not objective and quick to judge others !
Well if Chelsea doesn’t get themselves back into top four then there going to be missing out on a lot of money
The amount of money Chelsea spent on transfers fees in the last three transfer windows is ridiculous and the wage bill is probably even more ridiculous
Especially the players they signed for no reason because there is no space in that squad for them
This club is just rotten. Nobody admires or respects them.
Feel the same about you
Jelly
@@GWJUK Oh no! Please don't say that 😆
On the contrary
Plastic club
No one puts much respect on City these days. It’s such a shame for players like KDB that this shitshow overshadows most of his career. City’s owners need to man up and accept majority vote of all clubs and stop acting like petty dictators.
Why should they . Time they clamped down on this club got away with too much
Not true. Tribalism of football fans ..
Well if the premier league's law is unlawful with English Law then the English law will win.
English / British law > Premier League 🤷🏿♂️
They have been kicking the can down the road for ages and only now chose to sue the Premier League over the APT rules, why now?... because they know this will impede the 115 case in November if they lose this one and they are more than ever aware whats coming in the form of punishment further down the line. Its the Premier League duty now to win and restore integrity in the League , because if the PL losses this, their credibility and reputation goes too.
Lol. City has won 6 of the last 7 premier leagues. Even if they charge City, the premier leagues credibility is already gone. It would only make it worse in my opinion.
Why now? Because the AP rules changed in Feb and the arbritation hearing was set for June. It is all confidential as per PL rules and only reason we know about it is due to a leak
educate yourself
@@Mag88909the leak of course to cover up the terrorism sponsor of Liverpool..
@@arsmasterCity have been charged hence the hearing in November. Remarkable how even now, people don't understand the most basic of details
I mean its normal to get investigated when you have more charge than a bloody battery
You make it sound like the investigation has come post charges and the Premier League have to investigate because City were charged 😂
The Premier League brought the charges after their own investigation.
Tyranny of the majority! A very wealthy Middle Eastern dictatorial thing to suggest. I was always taught that majority rules in a healthy democracy.
Oh yeah, like how white people voted in great majority to keep black people as slaves. Why would anyone protest such beautiful healthy democracy?
They'v used that very rule themselves in the past. They are complete muppets.
So if the majority decided to ban black people from using public toilets would that be a healthy democracy?
This same type of democracy is the reason why the world is how it is, where is the democracy for Palestine
I bet these rich sandy people want to introduce Sharia law to the league. LOL
There is no doubt that the likes of Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal have pushed for these rules to try and stop City and now Newcastle. In City's case it hasn't worked though. City haven't even been the biggest spending club for the last 6 years and are still way ahead of everyone else.
Because they cheated since the takeover. Lied about income. Chelsea started the trend with dodgy deals and EPL said no more. Your titles meant sh&$.
If you spend 500m but claim your income was 600m you could claim you turn 100m profit
@AlexPaulMason-nl8yk I'm not even a City fan. I just don't think they've done anything wrong. All they've done is upset the traditional big clubs and they don't like it. Long may it continue
If you cheat for a decade to get into the position so you can have a lower net spend that doesn’t make it impressive pal haha
They have been selling players they bought cheating mate 🤷♂️
If you set up a business and buy your infrastructure in the first few years, you’re overheads are going to be less in the future. Of course you spend less once you have it all already.
Just kick them out of the league already 😒😴
Dry your eyes mate
@@mickmcfc hahaha your going to cry soon enough.
@@rLxJake We’ll see 😂😂 don’t delete your comment in November when we’re cleared.
@@mickmcfchahahaha bro UEFA already found your joke club guilty…. There isn’t a loophole for you to escape this one.
CAS cleared City
He shouldnt be advising on this. He is a city fan. He said they done nothing wrong now he says the rules are wrong.
He said nothing of the sort. You either haven’t watched him or haven’t understood what he’s said, even at basic level….
And you should be. Am guessing you're a fan of the red cartel
🤡🤡🤡
This has nothing to do with the 115 charges, how can’t you understand that?
He stated the other month to Simon that they will be found not guilty of all charges as they had done nothing wrong. Now Man City, Pep oh and the bookies make it look like they have done something wrong. He says they're taking the premier league to court because the rules are wrong. Al Man City fans have gone quiet as they know it's coming
They should give their preimer league title's up, 115 charges against them it's a joke. 😡
U r a joke a f⚽️⚽️l too‼️🙄😆
u are right they cheat to them trophies 😡
😂 your embarrassing yourself mate
@christruesdale2514 wheres your proof?
@@britpackdog4545 You mean the emails the EPL has from Der Spiegel from Football Leaks that show premeditated fraud to pay staff and players off the books. How in Earth are you not aware of this. They have emails between execs planning the way forward to cheat FFP. Where have you been?
As a real madrid fan, I have I'm gratefull laliga does not allow this type of ownership to come to spain, and I feel sorry for english football that has given us a lot of joy over the years.
Your team is funded by your gov. End off.
@@AlexPaulMason-nl8yk 1st my gov is the moroccan, 2nd you may wanna go and lecture yourself a bit bcuz you sound like an idiot.
Your club was the club of a dictator, my friend
He wasnt talking about Madrid, now was he?
Comedy gold!! Madrid and Barcelona have been 'protected' by La Liga for years!
Danny looks like he needs a pick-me-up. Someone buy him a Coke.
Which kind of a coke?
@@Hakeem990Cherry
Not the city guy? Looks like he's as stressed as city
@@Hakeem990 he needs some decent clobber, hoodies!!!!
@@chindit9749clobber? Who needs to learn better words FFS clobber😂😂
2 minutes in and the "expert" sounds like a City spin doctor.
You just mad that he’s actually spitting facts and not convicting city like the rest of the Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool fans who are mad that they can’t beat city on the pitch so now they’re hoping the premier league can help them out.
@@eddiechea3603 lol who said I was mad. It's just an observation that he's clearly not providing unbiased commentary on the issue.
You sound like an overly defensive city fan though that's for sure
That's how an EXPERT would sound. Pundits and commentators would sound more like what you would expect.
@@LionKingMCFC OK buddy; I'm shocked to see that you're a man city fan so also cleared unbiased like the "expert" though... well not that shocked.
how is he bias when he just said they are likely to lose the case? When someone with the actual basic knowledge of this type of problems speaks (unlike the majority of comment sections of socials) looks like they are defending city when they just present you the real case
🎵🎶🎶🎵Who do you think you are kidding Man City 🎶🎵🎵🎶if you think UNITED s done 🎶🎵🎵🎶 UNITED UNITED UNITED ⚽⚽⚽ this is embarrassing for City!!!
PL is clueless
Let’s get it straight.. this is what happens when state owned football clubs are allowed. The government have already met Abu Dhabi representatives and have attempted to help them brush it under the carpet saying it would be bad for relations between countries. Clown show
You didn't make an actual point. Jus vented frustration. Your club isn't doing well is it?
None of that is happening and City aren’t state owned.
@@tomben6180yeh course they’re not pal
@@tomben6180 True because the UAE is a fake country
@@hbsblkk3842 Why don’t you try explaining why they are?
"PL can't prove that clubs get an unfair advantage from APT's"
Isn't Man City themselves the proof?
Man U , Chelsea , spurs and arsenal all feathered their nests before all these rules were brought in and unless the rules are changed the top 6 will never change apart from the odd brief inclusion!!
At the18mins mark, Stefan, Visibly twisting himself in knots regarding the second claim of "voting majority". Get this biased man out of here!
The biased man that said City were likely to lose?
@@jamesontanner8769Ignore Kenny, probably a United fan from Nigeria
@@tomben6180and your a 🤡💀
@@jamesontanner8769the man is biased lol
Can they only get one legal person who happens to be a city troll on twitter for his "expert" opinion.
City were at war with UEFEA now the PL. Seems to be a pattern here.
And they won that case went on to win the competition.
@@howardramaru6674 They didn't win that case at all. The case was dropped because of a time limitation. Winning the case and having it thrown out on a technicality are not the same thing.
@@Gigity1107 a win is a win
@@Gigity1107city disdnt lose to Real Madrid this year in the CL. It was a lottery penalty kick out. How dies that sound?
Yep The G14 wanted to stop them joining the Elite and then the RED CARTEL followed
Democracy would be 11 of the 20 deciding the rules.
That’s mob rule, democracy would include an opt out too
This guy is a city pawn The reasons this guy said not to go, makes me want to attend the league meeting even more.
Go then you donkey. I'll pay you bus fair
Every year the premier league has been disappointing more and more , at this point I’d rather watch Brazilian Argentinian and Mexican football
Use Keiran Maguire instead of this guy. He used to work for City ffs, he isn't going to be objective
He didn't work for City. He was an advisor to selling the club in mid 2000s
@@Mag88909 He was a financial advisor to them. Don't talk semantics. He worked for them, end of story!
@@abyss7049 So you'd rather have someone with no insight? Mongo
@@abyss7049In the capacity of advisor for a sale
@@alfieb6711 That is irrelevant. He still worked for them. Therefore he will always have bias, it's just natural.
Should be someone who has never had any affiliation with City in any capacity.
Is that really that difficult to comprehend?
Oh lord, help me to keep my mouth shut until I know what I am talking about.
They cheated to win. Other clubs didnt. Relegation minimum.
Haha. Tears.
all i hear is mommy he is mean
Ur mum cheated too‼️🙄 What happened 2 her⁉️ Daddy still with‼️😆🤣
@@Gdatshimhis mommy slept 🛌 with 115 n still mothered him‼️🙄😆
Racism and Realest. One without the other you're just a follower. Church on Sunday shite.
How do you know this?
Stalking mum again?
Counting..... and very accurate.
Reminiscing. OR
Perhaps deja vu on your part?
Stefan Borson is a class act when on.........Watching this though driving my OCD mad talk into the mic! 😂
Man City have rattled that many fans that people think the Premier League is some squeaky clean operation that’s run with everyone’s best interest……..
Seems a lot of plastics are desperate for an excuse for why they’ve fallen short albeit getting really annoyed about something they know nothing about.
Circus.
Nah pal!!! One rule for city one one for everyone else
Premier League is dead !!
Money has killed it.
and who wanted it? United Arsenal Liverpool Everton & Spurs 30 years ago - so point the finger at them
Nice one - I’ll have to remember that one if I’m ever found guilty by a jury in a court prosecution……
“ I’ve been done by a tyranny of majority “
😂😂😂😂
The beginning of the end for the Prem, leagues around Europe are licking their lips 😊
nope its the beginning end of man city
@@jlee9624 This will become political. PL will do nothing
@@jlee9624Man City are only going to get stronger
Reason sponsorships is hard to get is cuz of greedy players and agents, wages and costs are so high now that clubs want more sponsorship money and big companies don’t want to pay the big money clubs want…sooner there’s a drop in tv money or at least it’s stable then wages are going to have to start doing same or players can go off to Saudi if they prefer money over their “love of the game”
Mr Bean is back again !!!!
Bumbles around like Mr Bean.Incoherent like him
Why would it put off sponsors? All it means is that there are limits to how much they are allowed to pay, so they will inevitably get a better deal, if anything.
if they're investing presumably they think football is a gold value growing market... they'll be investing at market rates set by independent bodies.. so what's the problem then?
Why u keep getting this fella on? Hes clearly biased. City need expelling from the league
Or maybe you are blinded with your bias. As a neutral, let it play out. Your last sentence suggests you have an agenda when at it stands it’s innocent till proven guilty.
Bias mongo, you didn't even listen the video. He says the case will not work. So blinkered you just can't help using that sucker on the keyboard. Probably a Guildford plastic scouser
How about charging the fans the same for season tickets, and have the same transfer and wage budget . Thats fair , dead simple !
This, of course, has an almost nuclear potential to destroy English football. The fall-out alone may be alone to do that.The game simply cannot absorb the global ambitions - greed - of those at the top. When law fare breaks out, its all over.
yea liverpool and united being the only 2 teams being able to spend money is the end of english futbol, for sure
@JulioTr95 No one else should spend. Fanbase size should keep everyone in their place. United have spent more than what City are accused of "cheating" to get. Idk what their excuse is
City will try to bring the whole thing down with them too.
@bUklMusic bring down the whole thing? These a very recent rules.
@@bUklMusic agreed.
This completely relates to the 115. If they can prove that Etihad should be able to pay what they want in deals now, they can point to the old rules and say there were also wrong. They are trying to chip away as many of the 115 as they can. I wouldn't be surprised to see more cases appear. What they also forget to mention is that UEFA and FIFA have stricter rules and so even is city win, they cannot spend as they want ECL and World club football.
That guy is a part of it.
This is bull ish. Like Simon said City will stall and tie up the premier league with litigation. And that's precisely what's happening
The PL opened the door for foreign investors years ago now they want to backtrack no way. You can't eat your cake and have it
Completely agree
In many tech businesses, sponsors have to tell marketplaces what their intentions and purposes are when making deals - but not for each specific vendor they're working with. I guess football's a little different. 😅
Cheat the system very blatantly, Now when you are about to be taken action against you and to be called cheater, try to remove all the rules that makes you cheater. Now you are no longer called cheater. 😂😂😂
If all the other clubs want to only stop city’s success, why weren’t United charged through such collusion in the past? Why are Bayern and PSG still in existence?
Let’s not be ridiculous in our arguments.
You and the Premier League wanted to make rules to initially try and hurt and damage Chelsea but now you have created your Frankienstein monster
The rules would work for Man City and Newcastle if the owners were prepared to grow the business over a period of time, but in this day and age nobody has any patience and they would ideally want to pump loads of money in to the club and have instant success.
Clubs like Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal didn’t suddenly become big clubs overnight they had to grow the club and the fan base over time.
that's true but if you look back they had the most say at league meetings and ALWAYS wanted more of the pie than the others and they got it through rule changes - once the got wealthy money generates money - but now people with deeper pockest come along and they don't like it up em
The tyranny of the majority my new favourite sentence
When you're a state run club and break the rules, try tonget the rules abolished. This is the best their lawyers can come up with.
The rules didn't exist before they took over. The rules seem to target them the most and changed when others hit the ceiling. The rule they are actually challenging came in 2021.
@@LionKingMCFC you didn't even know city existed in 2008
I mean man city have been dominating English football for 10 years and they still aren't happy??
It's not about any of the rules that were in place in the last 10 years, it's not even about the ones that were rushed in, in 2021(APT) as a knee-jerk reaction to the Newcastle takeover. It's about the recent *updates to the APT regulations,* announced in February 2024. City made an official statement that they would be challenging them legally if they attempted to put them in place(possibly wanted amendments?) and that's where we are now. City may not have liked some of the rules introduced since 2011 or voted all of them in but they never challenged them legally. So this is different and people should view it as such. So unlike with all the other rules which were either aimed directly at stifling their growth or future clubs like them, City must have felt something in this latest set of updates was a step too far(legally so at that). Also, if the PL/it's members are attempting to introduce rules which are discriminatory and/or contravene anti-competition laws, then a majority vote would become irrelevant. They'd be attempting to enforce unlawful rules and the PL would deserve punishment/fines etc. I don't see why the times placed so much focus on a small line of text as if the whole case was built around the fact that they don't agree with a majority vote(very doubtful as Stefan said, context could be key and help us make more sense of it).... Oh wait a minute, the UK press covering a City story? Of course we know why he placed so much focus, on the one thing that would paint City's legal complaint in the worst possible light. It's what they always do. Newcastle fans are only beginning to get a small taste of what it's like now and they're viewing the City coverage in a different light already. Shame that's what it takes for anyone to truly look at things objectively.
ps - Wasn't it said to be 100+ of pages? Why aren't we questioning who leaked it? How come only one journalist got to see it and why did one of the member clubs leak it? They've put the PL at further legal risk and should be subject to charges themselves... Both sides are bound by confidentiality laws on this(especially the PL), which is why City weren't silly enough to comment or offer any further info.
That's correct the minute you settle for something the drive is gone
Bye, Bye Citeh was good of you to find us 👏👏👏
Time to leave to the league you belong 1st division!!
😂😂😂 we aren't going anywhere.. We will just keep winning and winning till ww3 starts😂
@user-pn8nc8pr3z
Aint gonna happen, they know they are in the mud when Pep, KDB, Rodri etc finally leaves and they cant replace them with 200 million pound bench warmers.
“It could scare potential sponsors away” in reference to explaining the intra company sponsors….. well only if it’s dodgy as otherwise it’s just form filling which you pay a lawyer to do
I havent paid any taxes in years, the rates are totally unfair and they hold me back in life. I have submitted many requests to the government to change the tax laws. I will continue holidaying with the money i save as when laws are changed then im not guilty anymore. Its disgraceful that the government were voted in by the majority in the first place.
Unless those taxes didn't exist b4 and seemingly only holds you back and changes when your competitors hit the same ceiling it was meant to hold u. Can you say how these rules actually benefit the league?
@@LionKingMCFC it doesn't matter. The fact is the rules were voted by the majority (that's called a democratic vote) and City felt free to break them anyway. Now they wish to sue after the fact as it's time to face the music. Why didn't they try to sue for the rules being unfair before breaking them?
don’t agree with the ffp/psr (whatever iteration) rules. If an owner can afford it. Lucky for that club. However. The rules are the rules. And those rules are agreed by all the clubs. That system has made the prem a very profitable league. Instead of this they should work with the clubs to propose a better system for the league.
For example, teams can spend what they like, but all player contracts and staff costs, the value of them, needs to be held in escrow. That is what the nfl does. You hand out a big contract. You have to put that money into escrow.
Proving you have the funds and no matter what, staff and players always get their pay. Also, you are only allowed to leverage a certain amount of debt against the club. So you can’t run up a huge bill against the club you can’t actually afford. Again nfl does this. There are debt limits. Lots of better solutions. But taking the league to court. Struggle to see who wins in this.
If the Owner can afford it - there lies the problem the RED CARTEL do not want that because they are no longer the richest kids on the block and the share of to gravy train is diminishing for them
This fellas a muppet… theres no questions about that.
Doesn’t tell you what you wanna hear?
Reckon you’re just desperately invested in an excuse as to why your team fell short.
Cute.
@@samroberts6697 “Tyranny of the majority” - that’s all you need to know. Victim 115Fc and their delusional gaslighting fans.
All three on the panel should be bashing City right? That's proper journalism
@@LionKingMCFC city fans 😂 i was talking about the guy not your team… guilty conscience?
@@samroberts6697 city fans 😂 i was talking about the guy not your team… guilty conscience?
I'm a City fan, and my speculation is this;
It depends whether you want football to be a sport, or a business competition.
The Premier League is a business.
The Premier Leagues formation was a wealth grab, where the founding members of the Premier League got a bigger share of the revenues from Sky TV et cetera than non-Premier League members. The old football league used to be run on a more egalitarian, sporting competitive format. Where the richest clubs to some extent subsidised the poorest clubs, to make the leagues a more sporting level playing field. This meant that clubs like Nottingham Forest could come out of the 2nd division, win the first division and win the European cup. For not only was the English league and more sportingly even league, so was Europe. The European cup was just a European wide sporting competition, not the massive profit producing Champions League we have today.
The Champions League and the Premier League created super wealthy clubs like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, and others. Every year their bench was more valuable than most other teams whole team. And where Real Madrid and Barcelona would often have "Galactico" players for which was paid world-record prices. Since the Premier league Manchester United has broken the "record spend on a player record" more times than any other club in history. Manchester United would use its economic power to nobble opponents, such as Newcastle, by buying their star player for a record price, Andy Cole.
Did Abramovich by Chelsea as a plaything, I'm not sure. His spending blew everybody else out of the water. But he also had a long term plan of stockpiling players throughout Europe, upon which he made money, but never played for Chelsea. Perhaps he saw a gap in the market.
A lot of people thought the Sheikh had bought Manchester City as a plaything. More recently "sports washing". But the truth is, this is a BILLIONAIRE interested in diversifying his wealth production from oil, to other fields. In this case wealth production through sports ownership, not just in England, but 13 clubs throughout the world. This will be done by creating a brand through a major club, Manchester City, through the use of business best practice in every area of the club. Not just the best manager in the world, but the best in the world of physios, secretaries, CEOs, EVERYWHERE. This guy isn't motivated by image, religion, or anything else other than MAKING MONEY.
This is nothing new. Harry Redknapp, I think, said a long time ago "if you look at the wage bills of any teams in the Premier league in a league table, the league table of wages virtually perfectly matches where the team will end up in the Premier League at the end of the "sporting" season. The Premier league is an ECONOMIC competition, to make the biggest profits, and through that produce the best football teams ever seen. The Premier League is already the European Super League. Throughout the league from top to bottom we have the best football athletes in the world. The Premier League is more competitive now, with the first time in its history a 3 horse race for winning the Premier league (2 within 2 weeks for 3 teams, and on the final day of the season for 2), than it's ever been. The champions league, less so. As the Premier league is economically crushing all the other European leagues. THIS is why so many of the old money clubs of Europe are desperate for the European Super League, because without that money trough they will become extinct. Look for example at Barcelona and all the other the old money clubs of Europe, they are becoming economically derelict.
Show Sheikh Mansour is interested in nothing else but making money. This is one business competing with other businesses according to the rules.
Competition Laws.
LAW, trumps any organisation's rules in a country. So the Premier League can have any rules it wants, but if they do not comply to the law of the land, they are illegal in this country so they are null and void. City fans have been trying to explain this to other fans for years now.
The old money clubs like Manchester United had a monopoly. Every year they created massive profits, every year they bought the best players, every year they won the best prize money, every year they created massive profits, every year they bought the best players, every year they won the best prize money, for 13 Premier League titles out of 18!!! Manchester United absolutely economically dominated the league, and through the economic domination dominated the league in 'sport' (well sport without a sporting chance). Teams like Leeds and Manchester City have lashed out the cash to trying catch United a couple of decades ago, and it almost broke both clubs. City have always been one of the biggest spenders in England's top flight, through which it amassed the 6th highest points tally in the history of the English top-flight. But United crushed as a business allcomers. United never had any limits on what they could spend, and nor did Arsenal Liverpool Blackburn and Chelsea.
In 2021 The Premier League brought in the "Newcastle rule". A rule specifically designed to stymie Newcastle from using its newfound wealth to outcompete the old money businesses of United Liverpool and Arsenal. This is why Pep Guardiola said about the 115 charges "as Julius Caesar said there are no friends there are no enemies, there are only interests (economic)". The majority of clubs in the Premier league have got together and said "look, if we don't protect what we've got we will lose the lot, as these new billionaires run their clubs more efficiently and just blow us out of the water. So we will create this rule that stops Newcastle from financially doping the team, like United Arsenal Liverpool Blackburn and Chelsea did." Does this Premier league rule break England's business antimonopoly laws on competition? The lawyers will decide.
Your a city fan enough said
Liverpool hacking Man City's computer got hardly any coverage. Sweep sweep, nothing to see here.
It was wrong for that former employee to do that - the clubs settled with a $1.2m payment. Case closed.
Knob...City have destroyed the league.
This is why we need to scrutinise owners before they buy clubs. The premier league should not be a competition decided on who has the biggest sponsors but who's more savvy on and off the pitch. Rules are there for a reason, play by the rules.
Hearing this guy try not to twist himself in knots and make it sound like City aren't trying to rig the system to justify their dodgy dealings.
He used to work for them so 🤷