What Xing Yi Quan Really looks like in Reality: Teaching 5 Elements in Application
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In this video Paul is teaching his student Daniel about how Xing Yi can be applied practically and how the classical or standard applications may not be so obvious but are still there within the movements we use for sparring/fighting.
They discuss using initial strikes to "test" the opponent and get a reaction then how to follow up from that. The discussion continues to talk about tactical issues such as using "dragon body" to slip around incoming strikes for simultaneous attack and defence, using positional advantage ("seeing the heng"), distracting the opponent's by sending intention high or low and striking at the opposite level, and defending through position but maintaining threat/pressure to stop yourself being overwhelmed.
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It's interesting for me ,a Chinese , to watch video of martial arts made by foreigner.It's seems foreigners can learn and use Chinese martial arts in a much more direct way.Many ancient books about Xingyi talked in a mysterious way,containing words such as inner power,Chi,which were quite hard to understand.
I know this is a late comment, but people in the west, we love to fight. Fighting becomes a deep science many of us. For me personally, I take something like Xingyi, very direct and easy to see fighting application, and then look at something more "mysterious" like Bagua or Taichi, and I have to think, how can I use this for VIOLENCE? What elements of this works for fighting and what is more for body development (if at all)? To make your martial arts work, you have to look at it and say, when it comes down to a fight, what works for violence and what from the art does not? 5 Elements Fist is very adaptable for fighting. In fights, I probably have used more from this than either the Ba Shou of my particular lineage or the 12 animal forms. I have noticed the Chinese like to teach in riddles and like you said, "mysterious ways" and words such inner power, chi, etc. Just think back to before modern times in China's history. Did soldiers of the warring states period have time for riddles or did they have to train for war? Approach your martial arts the same way. Ask yourself, what works?
@@bigwavesun I don't love to fight. Only dumbfucks love to fight. Chinese people have a higher IQ and it's only through Communism that ancient wisdom was quashed there. We were stripped of ours long ago in these shitty war machines of the West that have caused so much destruction. Also there is the factor of fluidity, something that barely even exists in the more aggressive, macho West. It's plain dumb to reduce internal martial arts to purely external forms because their essence is feminine and belongs to very ancient times when people were more open and flowing, and attuned to dimensions beyond the purely physical. Sure you can pick those up easily enough but your understanding will be comparatively shallow when you consider the sheer depth and breadth of understanding that involves internal and earth energy. This is how meditating Taoist monks fended off bandits. They didn't stoop to their level. They used their spiritual practises to their advantage. Anyway, we don't want people who enjoy getting into fights to master the subtler aspects. That's why there are riddles and secrets. They must be earned. Several Chinese generals taught xingyi and bagua after retiring because when you're at war you need an advantage over your enemy. And that's where using energy and mind come in. If you can't feel chi that's good. It means you're likely to stick to harder styles and allow us softies to get on with it. We need an advantage and to capitalise on our (superior) sensitivity and intelligence. Peace.
@@Antraeus
You are quite right about the importance of the "Internal" Aspects of Combat, whether it's Hand-to-Hand One on One, (or Many), or as An Entire Military Force when you consider the Importance of such Elements as Strategy, Tactics and Principles of Combat. These Elements apply not only to Professional Fighting Force, but equally to an Individual. No Fighting Force, even with the Highest quality weapons, would be effective without the application of those Elements and the same is true for the Individual.
Your statement regarding sensitivity and intelligence is also more important to the development of the Higher Levels of Skill specifically with respect to Application in an Actual Confrontation in ways that are less than obvious. A simple aspect of this is Awareness . . . which is found in abundance with a relaxed Mind and almost nonexistent in a Tense Mind, and is something seldom found in the Overly Aggressive individual.
There are so many Hidden Aspects related to the development of the Higher Level Skills . . . Character and Personality being foremost among them.
Be Well
@@johnnyb6049 Well said. Yes there are so many subtle layers that emerge with time, with patience, with intuition, with meditation, with instruction, with tradition, with study of theory, with contemplation, with feeling, with understanding, with destiny, with guidance from the spirit realms. And a pinch of TH-cam!
The attitude that is invoked by today's corporate culture (which is about dumbing people down and turning them into slaves) is one of greed and impatience. A purely external focus is BOUND to make one shallow and believe that only the physical world exists. So when it comes to martial arts now people want the result at the beginning!
That's not 'MMA.' People like Bruce Lee mastered a style and made it their own, gradually incorporating other styles and creating their own. Yes, intent (xingyi) and awareness (bagua), and conquering the mind and spirit of one's opponent. With a smile. But then they're probably in a gang because no bamboo stem can afford to go it alone. Kung Fu Panda is always rubbing his belly!
@@Antraeus
Such is the way of the Dark, but their are those of the Light that work to oppose them.
Perhaps Kung Fu Panda eventually realized that one is Never truly Alone and rubs his Belly being sated and content with that Knowledge
Scientia Potentia Est
Peace
Im an mma guy who was gunna talk shit but im impressed this man was able to strip down the bullshit and pull out the practical elements from a flowery classical form physics is physics and techniques that work look similar from style to style im a south paw and we have worked similar combinations on pads jab, gard pulldown, left cross, uppercut, leg kick good stuff man
Thing with Neijia arts is they have a different approach to power generation compared to more "external" things like MMA. I was skeptical because I came from boxing and judo but I have to admit the way they train their bodies and the unified power is a useful skill. It's much more of a time sink though to learn vs a more "external" chained power like boxing or mma though. Those methods get you better faster.
End of if the day it doesn't matter if it gets the job you need done done lol
Finally, someone actually posted on real xingyi fight strategy, not their free interpretations of dueliang taolu. Really appreciate it.
。。。why his opponent doesnt move？
this is what happens if his opponent moves
th-cam.com/video/q9VH00NYAZg/w-d-xo.html
Yes I was trying to get him to move more but some of the video was discussing tactics not free fighting. We'll film some things where my opponent moves. It's not completely about style Xing Yi is a great framework for practical martial arts but fighting has to be a personal or individual thing.
JlingX Jolly I liked this as an example of how to handle an aggressive woman. As women tend to grab under attack... Its a good way to hold them off, not get hurt or hurt the other... Opens up choice, which I like.
@@alecfleming373 Take up MMA if you're being bullied by girls. They only leave the 'A' out of MAMA because they don't want people to know they're cry babies. :)
@@Antraeus I ligit laughed!
It's the same with us in Tai Chi. We practice with the large broad movements and make them small in the person on person full speed applications.
All Kung-fu (especially emphasized by "Internal Arts") has large and small frame...High and low as well.
Duhh
Good job showing practical use of Xing Yi Postures. Tai Chi, Ba Gua, are the same in that the Large flowing movement teach Linkage and develop energy, But in fighting the moves become more compact to become practical in a fight. Again Very nice Video.
You guys have the right idea. Individualizing the techniques is your first step to being able to apply them in a fight but that's just scratching the surface. The hard part is applying the theories and philosophy within those punches. The philosophy and theories are the significant aspects to differentiating between the styles. If you punch and kick like you were a kickboxer why not just call yourself a kickboxer instead? So to the people who take everything at face value when learning styles like this...you need to learn how to make the technique yours like these guys or else you won't progress. But the hard part is yet to come because everything guys did was just in "theory"..by showing us the many ways it can be used. Demonstrating and actually executing those techniques in a match/fight are separate. You can make the best strategies in your mind but it won't mean anything if you can't apply them.
Excellent video.... in Choy Li Fut (I'm sure in most Chinese arts) we do big movements, but in reality it's small, quick and explosive.
Thank you for showing this. Just witnessing this give beginner practitioners a guidance on where to place intent when solo drilling. Intent is challenging to direct, if you don't have a scheme in mind where to specifically send it. Would love to see a video on Heng. I like your demonstration of it here as a simultaneous evasive step and counter.
Funny I was just making up my list of intentions, one was to learn the five elements, which brought me eventually to this brilliant display of Instilling knowledge by practical application, the example is inspiring to the layman, we are never to old to learn ( age 60), these moves are a good place to start to meet my sons and grandsons on the next challenge...thank you and peace be on you both for this vital much appreciated knowledge.
This stuff if coming over, clearing, and forward pressure is super similar to the water concept in wing chun. This is super interesting!
Very interesting way to practice. Thank you!
This is the real deal. Thanks for sharing.
how do you generate power in this style? do u have a video on it?
Nice! Thanks for sharing.
I started sword fighting classes recently but have been training xing yi alone for some time to improve my body mechanics. It is always nice seeing your practical application of motions and concepts.
every. single. time. I watch this video i get something new out of it. WOW.
Spot on!
Yeah.
Good video. Commonsense perspective on xingyi
That place looks really cold
Funny, I've never heard of xing yi. Until I read Kano's backstory. From mortal kombat
Your instincts will shorten your movements and motions in a street fight anyways so this is a good interpretation of the applicability in a street fight
i think i need to watch this about 50 times
Fascinating stuff guys...actually looks like English Bare-fist Pugilism (circa about 1700) in application. Great video.
Very enlightening at the end, keeping the arm out while moving backward to still have the threat, and give the opponent something to run into (physically and mentally).
I like the environment while your recording.
yea
If 45 degree dim mak strike was performed by trickster hit man, how do I illeviate it. Struck just below the button below your sternum. I feel central tightening and maybe fear my intestines wrapping in circles. Anyways to help appreciated
I'm afraid there's nothing that can be done, once the intestines wrap in a circle it's game over.
Yea
Very good video, focusing on reality and not film fighting.
Very good xing yi . That post was same as stiff arm lead the old.boxers would use in bare knuckle times and someway used in modern boxing.
Xing yi has Many similarities to Bkb era
arc3075 actually hsing i (or xing Yi) is the great grand father of Western Boxing or the Father of Karate. Five Elements is five punches.
Modern Witchery the Deer style Kung fu is a style that influence Muay Thai and western boxing, they use the same guards. In 19th century England wing Chung was already there taken by Chinese immigrants. Everything has to come from somewhere.
Thank you for this. I'm a writer trying to do some research for writing a martial artist, and this explanation and demonstration was extremely enlightening.
I like your channel. In fact I like every channel on the three treasures of Wu Tang Shan. I began learning Hsing Yi Chuan in either 1980 or 1981. And here is what I've concluded. Two types of Hsing Yi were created, or developed, by Ji Ji Ke. One was the so called large frame. This was im case of surreptitious public observation. And is good in helping chi-flow and health. But was designed to obfuscate Hsing Yi's true utility and simplicity. The other was so called small-frame. This one was practiced in secret. This one was for fighting. And early on several of Hsing Yi's famous exponents were big men. Like Lui Chi-lan and Kuo Yun-shen. At least larger than an average chinese man of his day. Many teachers had students they couldn't trust. So they kept secrets. Bad idea today. Listen to him. In this he is correct.
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Ching Yi Kung Fu Associatiom
Peace.
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Good video. I'm a xingyiquan man too
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This is a really good video, and I know a lot of purists will be upset about it, but you have to adapt to real life when it comes to survival. Exposing yourself with exaggerated movements in a fight is bad what ever style you're using, and that's just the truth. This is truly the reason that Bruce Lee came up with Jeet kune Do, because he wanted to avoid the rigid, unchanging, and dogmatic mentalities behind the concept or idea of "style".
Purest is just another way of lacking true understanding.
In all internal martial arts you're NOT suppose to extend the arms, even when you're practicing the forms. That's why many Kung Fu practioners have lost fights for extending the arms to much. Most of the ancient Chinese Martial Arts secrets are lost or are hidden or they are some teachers that still teach it. In Chinese Martial Arts the essence is to stay close range.
Good video but the only way to show a martial art for real is to spar for real or to actually fight for real using maybe MMA rules that are modified so that your art can be used properly.
Why is it a bit more like wing Chun? Is Xing yi Quan gas the same root with wing Chun?
Yep. the small and direct character were similar. The difference only in the beginning,the form, but in the end,same. Both internal aspect were similar also. Angle,steps positioning also quite similar
No, they dont have the same root.
Aside from punching people in the face, it's nothing like wing Chun. Wing chun trains economy of movement and is, strictly speaking, an external style. It emphasises speed via economic movement, it takes more than one stroke of the axe to fell the greatest tree.
Xing Yi emphasises continuous bursts of power, it looks tight and economical but the as the the saying goes "when the fist arrives, the body arrives". You dont punch, i suppose you bulldoze through to disrupt their structure. therefore your opponent can neither attack nor defend until they regain balance, just keep going and FINISH THEM. More like cutting a tree down using a stick of dynamite.
Xing Yi may look simple, but its brutally powerful.
Really enjoy the video! The point is in a form it is an idealized version of a fight. Often with much symbols (mantis fist, crane fist etc.) Why? Cause forms only were medias to hold the idea of a technique to give it to the next generation. Cause of this purpose they do forms very "clean" and static and not "wischi waschi" to avoid that mistakes of the movement slip into their technique or of the idea of the technique. Because of that there are so many symbols in forms. That is a system of decode forms and interprete them. When mantis fist shows up you immediately know that at this point it is thought of to grab someone...
Yeah? Yeah.
And then you can survive not brawl.
who was your Sifu, and what lineage did he come from?
I don't think that really matters. But my teacher's name is Damon Smith. He had 4 main teachers from 3 lineages of Hebei Style Xing Yi.
It's always hard for some people to understand the difference between form and practical application - The principles of application and change in a combat street situation
This is why aikido will not work against an actual attacker, it's also why an aikido practitioner would not stand a chance against a hsing i boxer....
இவர் எதிரிலுள்ளவர் பயிற்சி அற்றவர்,அவரிடம் இவ்வளவு பயிற்சிகளை இவர் செய்வதை விட டம்மி வைத்துக் கொண்டு செய்யலாம் அல்லவா?
love it but you do realise hsing-i is weight back not front that's where it gets its power from, the legs, weight on back leg arms relaxed. (Newton's law of motion).
Too simple to think of the entire art as weight back, there are weight forward and weight back methods throughout. Thanks for watching.
Xing Yi Academy
I appreciate your applications are good and you are very focused on real street scenarios, but from what I have seen you lack the power of Xing Yi. It looks very external and you clearly do a lot of weight training. Xing Yi is only effective when you can produce Jin and send a shock wave into another persons body. Otherwise you are simply doing an inferior style of boxing. This Jin is only developed through having relaxed muscles not weight training
Xing Yi Academy true but most of the power comes that way, which people find weird when really it's just Newton's law of motion.
Xing Yi Academy also weight forward is also debatable eg yes there are stepping and transferring weight in some parts of the linking set in moving forward but when you actually strike your weight is mostly back as that's where the power mostly comes from (excluding Chi of course).
The variations of the five elements shown in this video focus on heng quan and pao quan which in my system are first taught as weight forward. I'm debating that there are not weight back movements in Xing Yi Quan of course there are, and we have many in my system but weight forward or weight back is not better or worse both work. I think you may be limited in your experience of the full depth of Xing Yi Quan. Also there are three laws of motion - an object at rest persists in that state or continues in a straight line unless acted upon by forces impressed on it. Force is equal to the change in momentum per change in time. For a constant mass force = mass x acceleration. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. None of which would favour a weight back stance over a weight forward stance.
视频中没有整体发力一说，只有形状而没有意识的统一配合，形意拳技术更多的是把人抛起，或整体像车一样的撞击力。
Zheng, I'm not fluent in reading chinese. However I understand mainly what you have said here. "There is no overall force shown in the video. There is only a shape and no unity. Xing Yi should try to impact and move people like being hit by a car". I agree with your comment - this video is a demonstration where I am teaching a student and we are not really looking at the force here only how to get into the correct position. Thanks for watching
请问，您是从哪里学到的形意拳，是不是愿意告知我。我觉得这个拳法很有趣，健身功能与打击功能都具备，我也在练习这个拳法，我很欣赏它。 看到你的视频我也很开心，能有国外的朋友热爱它，也非常感谢你的广泛传播。
@@zhengwei1214 My teacher is from the United Kingdom. He learnt Xing Yi Quan from 3 different schools. 1. Chinese teacher from Malaysia who was studying in the UK. His grandfather studied under Guo Yun Shen (Hebei Style Xing Yi Quan). 2. Chinese teacher from Beijing who worked at UK university. This teacher was called Zhu Guang and was taught by a number of other teachers of many styles. His main Xing Yi teacher was called Luo Da Cheng from Beijing. 3. Chinese teacher in Beijing. I can't give this name publically, he was a master of Bajiquan and Xing Yi Quan with a small number of students private teaching only. I have also studied in Beijing myself but I went to meet Yao Cheng Rong (who teaches Yi Quan) and I also met a man called Wang Tong Qing who taught me a little bit of Shuai Jiao (wrestling).
No one would want to see you apply pi chuan to a guy at range who’s a head taller than you. It makes no sense.
you show your student too much at once, total buffer overflow, he has not even yet mastered the basic armstructure of his own style and you are chasing him with an advanced attackline if not the advanced attackline .... your own structure is really good ./like
I know, I'm showing a lot at once here and my student in the video hasn't got the same experience and body structure. I don't have many students so to film things sometimes it's difficult to find someone who can match what I want. He is a good student though and I think he did well in this video and he learnt a lot. Often in Chinese systems you get shown things you are not ready for or given lots of information and only some sticks, after many months and years training things start to fall into place. Thanks for watching.
@@Xingyiacademy Actually i enjoy all your videos, very informative.