Had mine on my PC for years now still good as the day I put it in there... its meant to last FOREVERRRR lol (maybe not forever) but thermal paste dries up over the years and needs replacing. Highly recommend this thermal pad!
No, but really. That last comment in the video sounds like it was intended as a joke, but you really should use these in all your thermal tests from now on, since it's a consistent application you'd never be able to replicate as accurately with paste. Unless you're specifically testing a paste, obviously.
Agreed. Unless this product isn't _quite_ as good as advertised, or unless Linus messed something up, then yeah. We've invented something better than thermal paste. Thermal pads are industry standard now. **shrugs**
The performance of this pad is probably really dependent on how flat your cpu and cooler are, this might give irregularities when comparing coolers if one is more flat that the other which would not necessarily give problems with thermal paste.
It makes me feel uneasy when something works the first time, like maybe it only looks like it's working and the moment I look away it'll catch fire or something.
Im american so I'm bat-shit dumb with metric (as expected right?) But what does the "/meter" part mean? I have my own multimeter ..is that what that is kinda relating to?
Michael Alvarado No, a meter is +-3 feet (from memory, probably slightly off), it's the standard unit on which kilometers (1000 meters), millimeters (1/1000 of a meter), and other like km/h (kilometers per hour) are based. That's the very practical metric system. (Metric for meter)
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If anyone was wondering if it preforms well or not, I've had the cooling pad on my system for almost a year now (in April) and it works amazing. No problems with cooling what so ever.
Not really, no one starts marketing only after they have a product ready. This is pre-launch hype and it's working pretty good. They can get a sense of the demand from the hype and stock up, then make a big marketing splash so everyone knows it's available. At that point people who've seen this video (and others) have told about it to their tech circles and they have a large customer base ready to order on launch. People here are already talking about new industry standard.
Thin graphite pads sandwiched between thin thermal pads improves thermal conductivity significantly. Not something you'd do on a CPU/GPU/chipset mount, but great on RAM heatspreaders or GPU backplates.
MMm as advertised i think not that look at what Linus opens then go to the link and bang not as advertised ! and to think i was actually going to buy it especially since would never have to deal with that thermal compound damn i hate that crap on my hands
Finally..... proper easy thermal pad for the CPU. No more of the poxy pate to deal with. Can you see how well it works with the pad directly on the CPU die? That would be interesting (esp compared to liquid metal)
Liquid metal is also conductive...what you do is coat the parts in liquid electrical tape or select clear nail polish. My only issue is that liquid metal would be thinner and has just a hair over 2x thermal rating (73 W/mk). So the pad would perform worse, way worse. Not only by being thicker than liquid metal, but by this video, it was a hair away from the same temps as IC Diamond, we are talking 1c difference. So the pad, which is thicker, has a 8x higher thermal rating vs IC Diamond, was the exact same temp. All in, its a great idea. It would remove the need to replace dried up TIM over the years, would stop new builders from messing it up, and would be great for those that test CPUs, MOBOs, CPU Coolers. But for the high end users, those wanting to get the most out of their cooling system, this is a waste of time and money, and would get better results from something like KRYONAUT from Thermal Grizzly (the makes of the most common liquid metal).
it is thicker so I don't think it would fit between the die and spreader. the socket would put extra pressure on the substrate because the spreader would be a tiny bit higher
i actually bought one of these. i get the same temps as paste, or slightly lower!! works great! ! paste idle - 30-32c throttle- 60c IC graphite pad idle - 20-26c throttle - 55c
After seeing this video last year, I replaced my PC and server's thermal paste with these pads. I've seen no issues so far and they seem to equate any other normal compound without the mess. Install was a pain in the ass as they slide around VERY easily. Only thing I would like to see is the pads a little thicker or confirmation they can be stacked and maintain conductivity. Will probably stick with these as I start to build up my home network. Hope that helps anyone curious about them :)
Looks very practical! I just can't help but think touching it with fingers would degrade the performance because of the oil, so it would always have to be applied with tweezers. Not a big deal, though
I think you would just mean "included" they don't really attach strictly speaking...and you wouldn't want or need to put anything else between them and the metal
It definitely doesn't perform as well as the liquid metal stuff, liquid metalI is basically unbeatable in above sub-zero applications, I tried both in my laptop, and comparing to arctic mx4 the liquid metal can usually bring the CPU (i7 4870hq) temperature down about 5~7°, but I just don't feel confident enough keep it in my laptop, and as far as longevity goes, liquid metal doesn't need to be re-applied often or at all, but some people say after about 2-3 years, you will want to reapply it. It's thermal results won't get worse, but over time, it does leave a sand-like texture on the die and underside of the IHS. You will have to lightly sand this texture off both the die and IHS if you leave it on too long. Again, this won't damage anything, it's just an inconvenience more than anything. As far as the IC graphite pad goes, I like them a lot simply because the performance is on part with good thermal paste (I use arctic mx4) but it won't dry out overtime.
@@richardguo1892 that sandy type of texture it leaves can actually cause worse thermal conductivity due to leaving a thicker layer for the heat to travel throughm
There is a 40 x 40 pad BUT also a 70 x 70 from Panasonic: www.amazon.com/PANASONIC-INDUSTRIAL-EYG-T7070A20A-Thickness-Interface/dp/B0748LLJP4/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1525069320&sr=8-3-fkmr1&keywords=IC+Graphite+thermal+pad
I can't see any reasons why it should not be a next mainstream way of conducting heat away from CPUs. Easy to apply, pretty much foolproof (considering you are not an idiot who delids their CPU and puts the pad over the sensitive bits), buy once - use forever and it doesn't affect performance that much. They have been using thermal pads in cellphones for quite a while, but current ones suck, so I'm stoked to see these being used in the near future (I know Sony uses thermal compound instead of pads, but they could make the switch too)
razaelll I totally agree but it's probably quite a bit more expensive for them to use these than their bulk thermal paste. Also if they have to cut it to size in say a cellphone, how much would they lose in extra or poorly cut material. Also we'd have another case of ram shortage for our prescious graphite thermal pads X)
Kevin Doyle if you need custom sizes in large quantities, you make them that size. Or cut from larger sheets. Graphite is also quite reasonable to recycle. And very efficient, when all the scrap has the same composition like in this scenario.
pr0xZen yes good point and I understand that most manufacturers will do this, I was speaking from only the point of a manufacturer buying from IC who isn't obligated to custom make graphite pads. I understand it's probably really easy to custom make them but I am wondering about the overall production cost of making graphite pads vs large quantities of the basic thermal paste that most manufacturers use.
Thing is, most cellphone manufacturers already put thermal pads in their devices, It's just the matter of making them from different material (in this case, graphite). My point was, current thermal pads are not that great. They look like compressed chewing gum lol
razaelll true, I was just trying to point out that manufacturers are trying to make the most money and if they can just use something that they've been using that may be cheaper or even cost the same, then they'll probably stick with that since they can either save a few cents per device or at least not have to change suppliers or infastructure assuming performance isn't vastly affected by their current chewing gum lol.
I got some of Panasonic carbon thermal pad material Digikey # P14965-ND THERM PAD 180MMX115MM W/ADH GRAY 0.0008" (0.020mm) The thinner the carbon pad the better the transfer vertically if you read the specs. I used it as a cpu thermal transfer on a Intel 9600K in place of thermal compound. It is easy to cut since it has a removable mylar backing. With the mylar removed it holds together and has a slight adhesive so it stays in place. You can peel it off to reposition if you need to. I could not see any difference in the cpu temperatures after application. One sheet is 4.5" X 8" so you can do a good number of cpu's with one sheet.
Not really, because non-conductive liquid isn't really a problem, infact you can run your computer in a bucket of oil if you wanted to. The dry approach (in this case) is more dangerous because it's more conductive.
I absolutely love this I used it on my old, early 2008, 24” iMac’s CPU and GPU/memory. It drastically improved the performance. I cut the pads to the shape of the components, along with micro dots of paste to prevent shifting during heat sink re-install. If you want to avoid the messy paste, I highly recommend the thermal pads.
I just bought some noctua paste today to change my 2 years and half 5820k - nzxt kraken x61. I don't know if I shall make some tests with before and after cause I am lazy, but I will do it to see the difference between the old and the new. I cannot even remember if I used the noctua paste or the one that came with the kraken kit.
@@Tony_Goat Yeah, or apparently the left and right arrow key buttons work the same way as the "double tap" skip. I guess I just never thought to try it on a computer until I got in the habit from using the feature on mobile devices.
Last May, I bought this and used it in an old iMac right after I saw this video. It works great. Easily trimmed to fit over the CPU and GPU and memory. No mess and improved its performance.
W/mK is a measure of how much heat energy (Watts) gets transmitted across one meter of material for every degree (Kelvin) difference in the end temperature. If that material is 9 times better than the paste then that's only good provided it's less than 9 times thicker.
+Andrew Louw It can be a bit thicker than [9x] thermal paste and still be better, since it's application is more consistent, reusable, and they're comparing it to ideal paste that is more likely to expire over time rather than lower conductivity longer lifespan pastes. Of course that's ignoring its ability to fill the defects that TIM is meant for, it might not make as good contact on each surface, which would reduce it's conductivity a bit further.
ty for the explanation of the Kelvin part. I was having a hard time understanding how the third variable fit in :P It seems it must be almost exactly 9 times thicker then, because the temps were about the same. Either that, or maybe the bottle neck is just how quickly the heat transfers from the base of the actual heatsink to the fins. Either way, it's certainly a lot more convenient.
@Joe Chief Sounds like a good reason to do like we used to a few years ago Lathing, Sanding, Smoothing the CPU and cooling block again. So do you think smoothing would help it work better.???
Smoothing sounds counter intuitive since you usually want more surface area for heat transmission. But I guess since this is a flat, solid material, smoothing would have a better application as it can't get into surface grooves. I wonder if this can ever be adapted into a paste with the same performance, then it'd be the best product on the market, theoretically.
You can get graphite powder at the hardware store. Look for lock lubricant. There's a pretty good reason it probably wouldn't though. Thermal paste is fine particles of solid material that's great at conducting heat suspended in some kind of liquid that's pretty ok at it. Even if you smash the graphite into as fine a powder as you can and and mount the heat sink so tight it's just shy of breaking the motherboard, the liquid that your awesome conductive graphite is suspended in is plain old air.
I think one of the reasons it conducts so well in the longitudinal axis and is electrically conductive is that the carbon atoms are formed in a unidirectional way. Shaving a pencil would just produce a random mix of randomly oriented carbon molecules..
@Daniel McKenzie: I doubt it will actually fry your motherboard everytime... And since most of the time when you are sneezing while putting this on you'd have the computer on. The takeaway is that it saves you from the cleanup.
For anyone looking to buy this, just make sure you clean every last bit of leftover thermal paste off the heatsink and CPU, otherwise it creates an uneven surface and kills temps. I used this with an i5 3570s, (just as a test, totally not me being lazy or anything) and I didn't perfectly clean off all the thermal paste, so the temperatures were easily hitting 100°c. I did not care. It took me 8 hours to get that damn CPU working (part of the issue was the leftover thermal paste, part was the bios I thought was updated for ivy bridge) so I just dealt with it for 8 months until I decided to get an i7 3770. Only then did I discover what a difference cleaning all the thermal paste off makes.
That's not how it works. Besides would you rather a reusable material like this to forever be stuck to the heatsink or just own it and use it wherever you need? Innovation Cooling don't just make enthusiast PC builder products.
Innovation Cooling could, in fact, cut a deal with the likes of Intel or AMD for their product to essentially be included with every chip, or it could just remain a product to be purchased directly by the consumer. I'd personally prefer the latter.
I don't see how they wouldn't benefit from that tech. I can see Innovation Cooling owning the patent and just share the tech with those companies while selling their wares online. It's a compromise for the market and may be better for us consumers as we will find more options at the store than glorified brands.
Luise Atoll people spend 100's of $ on thermal pastes if the cooler companies apply this and sell the thermal paste companies will go bankrupt, if the companies like Intel and amd start putting good paste on their CPUs and sell them the thermal paste companies will go bankrupt.its a conspiracy to make you spend money
Well they did say it's conductive, which usually you wouldn't wanna use on gpus. But I've seen people use liquid metal on gpus, which is very conductive. They take huge precautions to make sure it doesn't get on other chips. Hypothetically because this is a pad not a liquid, it'd be perfect for GPUs given that the cooler is mounted properly and tightly so the pad doesn't shift around and if it's cut to the exact size of the die.
The difference between horizontal and vertical heat transfer efficiency could be due to the crystal structure of graphite, which is made of layers of graphene. There is lower resistance within a layer of graphene than there is between different layers in a piece of graphite. Cool stuff!
fix what ? Mr. one video channel if you are a troll then stop replay back and I'll stop I might not have the best grammar in the world but at least I respect the comment of all viewers here if you think you are better correcting people I suggest to stop doing that
I have had one of these running in my ryzen 5 system for around 6 months and I'm still loving it. If I ever have to take my system apart for any reason I dont have to deal with any mess and I never have to feel like I'm wasting thermal paste.
just using liquid metal is much better, since the layer is thinner and the conductivity is better. It doesn't move and is sealed, so there is no reason not to use LM for that.
Of course it's better than what comes with the CPU, even the shitty ic diamond is. It's just that when you're delidding, it's a waste of effort to use anything else than LM (also LM is cheaper than this)
It would still be interesting to see how this pad performs as TIM replacement. The general assumption is that Intel uses its horrible TIM because it does not degrade too much over time, as would be the case with many higher-performing pastes. Depending on the price of these pads there should be no excuse for Intel to continue with that bullshit. Using such a pad it would also be possible to improve CPUs in moving environments, which is not recomended with liquid metal. So it could be a good option to improve cooling in laptops as well.
W/mK: W: Joules per second of heat energy conducted K: Difference between hot side and cold side in degrees K (or C) m: Thickness of the conductive material in meters (IDK about you, but I'm amused and confused picturing a meter-thick thermal pad)
And your point? Of course, they have been. This isn't a standard "thermal pad" in the slightest. Why are you even replying to my comment with this nonsense?
500k people have seen this video and you think they would have enough to go around? a new cooling solution thats just come off the production line and you think they just stack that shit?
I can see this product working very very well in a lot of product spaces. 1: Eliminates the guess work of "Was that enough, not enough paste?!?!?!" 2: Hi-Part swap system builds - Smaller rack mount labs, etc... 3: DIY people who are looking for a fast, easy, simple approach.
Well, send them to Intel, so they can stop using their toothpaste that they are so in love with and get something proper on there since they have forgotten how to solder :D
I've heard they slide around easily and they conduct electricity. Meaning if they slide off during installation and you don't see it = shorted out fried board.
I have a pair of these in an R710 X5680, X3550 M5 Xeon E5-5680 v3 and R7910 with Xeon E5-5680 v4. None of them have missed a beat. I use the 40x40mm sized IC Graphite Thermal pads.
AppleML Have you done a stress test with Aida64? Also what cooler are you using? 74c in gaming is way too high, I get that temperature when I’m rendering which normally is more load for the CPU than gaming. Unless you overclocked it, then 74c would be outstanding. I have the same processor, cooled with Noctua NH D15 + Arctic Silver 4. And when overclocked to 4.7 GHZ it gets to 85 degrees.
How about trimming and putting between the heatspreader instead of liquid metal. This would be an some video! To use this inside would reduce dripping of liquid medal!
Liquid metal also conducts electricity. Covering the surroundings of the CPU die with nail polish as recommended by Der8auer would prevent the cpu shorting in both cases, whether liquid metal or graphite pad. What I think might be an issue is the pad thickness though. Heatspreader may not end up touching the CPU board all around its edges. But that should not be an issue after all if applying pressure evenly from the cooler
I use graphite in glassblowing. Its super conductive and soft, it rubs off on your fingers. The hot glass ice skates over it, I wonder if you could draw on paper with that little thermal pad.
The graphite that you write with is a mix of graphite and clay, which is why it's soft and can be used to write with. These thermal pads are basically like graphene or carbon nanotubes.
I google'd it up before commenting, just to make sure I wasn't spewing internet nonsense. Graphene is a single layer (or "sheet") of carefully-arranged carbon molecules (as guzmaekstroem said) which are used in numerous applications, including those where conductivity or strength is important (graphene can be stronger than diamond). Graphite is actually just a crystalline form of carbon (which I didn't know), so while graphite =/= graphene, my statement that these pads are "basically like graphene" is accurate. They share similar properties and use similar molecular layouts to perform their tasks.
That looks very similar to what Panasonic sales other than is 28W/m-K in Z direction it looks identical. I will get one from digikey on my next order to test as is less than $10 and larger so I can cut the size that I need. It is 0.2mm thick guessing same as this.
0.005" ? that will be about 127um what I seen that looks similar is 200um still should be good as they say is 0.2 Celsius increase per watt and square cm and so for a 3x3 cm this thermal pad has it means 9cm^3 surface thus for say a 95W CPU at full load you have ( 95W / 9cm^3 ) x 0.2 = 2.1 Celsius temperature delta between the two faces and that is not much at all.
40x40mm have one seller...and they does not ship to Germany... wtf? How about to put some additionally shipping costs and send it?... instead there is only "free shipping" option...
3:40 nope, thats not how it works. That´s not how any of it works. 35W/m.K means, that if you got a cube 1x1x1m, and have a heat flow of 35W the temperature difference between one face and the opposite will be 1K aka 1°C.
That seems a bit convoluted, since you usually have the temperature difference first, then asks about how much energy can be transferred per unit time. So my slightly different definition is that if you got a cube 1x1x1m, and have temperature difference between the sides 1K aka 1°C, you can transfer 35W of power away from the hotter side.
@@gypsyzz yes, that is another way of looking at it, just like the different sides of R=V/I, depends what you have and what you are solving for. In actual design you know how many watts you need to get rid off, and what maximum temperature your cpu can allow, therefore what is the temparature difference cpu to ambient. From that (and thermal resistance of your heatsink) you get the required max thermal resistance cpu to heatskink, in K/W. Now you know the size of the contact area and the thickness of the thermal pad, which lets you determine what minimal thermal resistivity of the bulk material you need. If you know ohms law, then this is the same. Temparature drop is power "flowing through" times thermal resistance.
@@Lowkas One face cannot be at 34W and the other at 36W, that makes no sense. 35W of heat is being transferred from face1 to face2, and that produces 1K difference in temperature, when face1 and face2 have area of 1m2 and the distance between them is 1m.
2:32 "If you just toss it on your motherboard it's gonna fry it" seems like a moot point to me, because NOBODY installs a CPU while the PC is turned on.
HailgodMC the problem is having a thicker layer of the paste between the cpu and the heatsink which reduces the efficiency of heat dissipation. Even if some of it is squeezed to the sides, you'll end up with more of it in between.
Thanks for the review. I was researching this product as I need to either reapply my thermal paste or try a thermal pad. The reviews are still great in 2023, so I think I will give it a shot. It can't be worse than old dried up thermal paste. Another thing to note... in the video they were concerned about the size not covering the entire cpu surface area. Well, a larger size is available. Cheers!
Why call him a moron? I totally agree with him and google is the first thing that came to my mind and even if he (like me) hasn't watched the conference, why is he any reason a moron?
So it works really good edge to edge. So it needs to be oversized and slight stickiness to the heatsink. So the heat moves across the heatsink and over better.
7:59 You could have diarrhea ? This is crazy. I like the reusable part and that you don't have to clean anything anymore. No more scrubbing the CPU when remounting something. I gotta have that somehow.
I bought one of these probably 9 months ago based on this video and I haven't been disappointed. I've always hated the imprecise nature of thermal paste and the "about the size of a pea" type of guidelines for its application. I've had to disassemble my system a couple of times since buying this product, and I really love not making a run to (insert electronics store name) to buy overpriced thermal paste because I didn't happen to have any on hand. It will just always be there and work. I love that.
Aaaaand it's already unavailable on Amazon. LOL If you could just once tell me about something that doesn't disappear before I can get it, that would be great. lol :)
Great product and product testing video. I used this on my new gaming PC I just built in May 2019. (Ryzen 2700 idles at 34 and heats up to around 58 with Prime95 running). Then I bought a 2nd pad when I installed a larger CPU cooler on a prebuilt Lenovo I'm improving for my wife. (Web and office use - removed dust, moved OS to SSD, added 2 case fans and installed larger CPU cooler onto an A10 7800).
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Hey Linus, I've designed my own thermal paste made out of super fine pure Graphite powder. I'll share my results as soon as I get my rig up and running again, thermal pads are not a bad choice, but won't be as effective as thermal paste and/or liquid metal as it doesnt fill up the minor machine marks and imperfections on the block or CPU. According to some research graphite can be up to 1950W/mK. It scales just under diamonds heat conductivity. My thermal graphite paste is up to 0.399 ųm or 0.000399mm and with a compound that doesnt dry out/or get hard with time. Will test it out on a basic entry level 3770(non-k) to see the results
Sorry for the late response, I am serious, so far didn't have any problems yet, temps running cooler Want to test it for a month to see if it dries up or anything like that
www.innovationcooling.com/ Bottom of the page they list distributors. PC-Cooling.DE is listed but all I saw was their IC Diamond line of pastes. Perhaps there is another listed that carries it and ships to Germany. Otherwise, you might want to inquire with PC-Cooling.DE as to whether they will be adding this to their products.
That's what I was thinking. Too many damn graphics cards go bad over on Tom's Hardware because people forget that the relationship between the cpu and heatsink is the exact same as the relationship between the GPU and the heatsink for that, and by too many people I mean when my r9 270x started failing and I barely saved it when I found that out. GPU manufacturers would be wise in adding these by default, but they would lose money on idiots like myself toasting their out of warranty GPU.
Hi, I read somewhere a guy was testing with these graphite pads and discovered that they wear out over time due to compression of the material. If you say replace the CPU on your mother board once or twice no difference but since he was testing with alot of CPU's and changing them he noticed the pad compressed in some areas and wasn't making total contact when he first used the product. So if you are using them for testing you can see it failing over time.
Performs 99% as well as paste, lasts forever, no mess.
Superb.
Yup
But fries your CPU if handled without care
Nice
I mean...it works.
Phate Exactly!!
“An advantage to this dry approach is that theres no liquids”
Thanks Linus.
lol, same
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It's now the year 2020 , We all need a recap of how it's holding up over time .
The computer exploded
@MrKalashnik0va can you use it on gpu die?
Had mine on my PC for years now still good as the day I put it in there... its meant to last FOREVERRRR lol (maybe not forever) but thermal paste dries up over the years and needs replacing. Highly recommend this thermal pad!
@@3ET0R0v914 does it still taste the same
Mine seemed okay until last week when it ran away with my wife
I screamed in terror when I saw that liquid metal shoot out on the motherboard
bruh
@@tdplay4135 You may be doing it wrong. ...or maybe right.
that's always been my worst nightmare when dealing with metal pastes like arctic silver 5
Special Dude i was just thinking something like that 😂
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sounds like a great product to allow you to do A/B thermal testing with reliable results, since you always have the same "spread" of thermal paste
you seem to be pretty right, no variance in application, that means testing coolers is now very accurate
Hopes this become a permanent solution cause I hate to clean out thermal paste
@@triogalsnope
No, but really. That last comment in the video sounds like it was intended as a joke, but you really should use these in all your thermal tests from now on, since it's a consistent application you'd never be able to replicate as accurately with paste. Unless you're specifically testing a paste, obviously.
Agreed. Unless this product isn't _quite_ as good as advertised, or unless Linus messed something up, then yeah. We've invented something better than thermal paste. Thermal pads are industry standard now. **shrugs**
The performance of this pad is probably really dependent on how flat your cpu and cooler are, this might give irregularities when comparing coolers if one is more flat that the other which would not necessarily give problems with thermal paste.
But with extremely high horizontal thermal conductivity it is probably not that important that there are gaps here and there.
that would definitely also give problems with thermal paste, as you would have way thicker layer in some places..
dan_tm 100% agree
The best products are those you use the first time and just go "huh, it just works, that's so weird"
It makes me feel uneasy when something works the first time, like maybe it only looks like it's working and the moment I look away it'll catch fire or something.
@@Teth47 anxiety be like
They should sell a large version that you could "cut to size".
They do
Lol anyways yes they sell the bigger version too
This a very powerful mattle doesn't made for computer it can kill a person if he take this mattle on his tongue in 7 minutes
Ahmad aassiiff minemind what
@@coolmemesbudd yes it will absorb all body heat
My wife's very excited about this. She's been looking for a reusable pad for years.
J Lock OMG LMFAO :)
hahaha. well said!
It means you can overclocker her, and you can get her nice and hot...
kinda disgusting
>:^(
The sexual tension in this room is 70 kw/meter kelvin
Yeah like...wtf is wrong with this video ??? XD
More like 70 kV...
Im american so I'm bat-shit dumb with metric (as expected right?) But what does the "/meter" part mean?
I have my own multimeter ..is that what that is kinda relating to?
Michael Alvarado No, a meter is +-3 feet (from memory, probably slightly off), it's the standard unit on which kilometers (1000 meters), millimeters (1/1000 of a meter), and other like km/h (kilometers per hour) are based. That's the very practical metric system. (Metric for meter)
Michael Alvarado I'm terrible with the imperial system, it's sooo random. I'm from France, so nobody knows anything about it. That's normal :)
Why is it unavailable? They weren't ready for Linus to blow them up with 20k orders?
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yikes, thanks for the heads up.
+Eric Staswick
Tf was that?
If anyone was wondering if it preforms well or not, I've had the cooling pad on my system for almost a year now (in April) and it works amazing. No problems with cooling what so ever.
How to fail a marketing opportunity:
Have no stock on a product that would work really well and is advertised in a very popular IT channel
It's still in the final testing stages.
We must obtain the unobtainium :3
Let me know, when its actually available :)
Not really, no one starts marketing only after they have a product ready. This is pre-launch hype and it's working pretty good. They can get a sense of the demand from the hype and stock up, then make a big marketing splash so everyone knows it's available. At that point people who've seen this video (and others) have told about it to their tech circles and they have a large customer base ready to order on launch. People here are already talking about new industry standard.
Try Arsylid, they make a similar product
Isn't great when something actually works as advertised 🙂
Thin graphite pads sandwiched between thin thermal pads improves thermal conductivity significantly.
Not something you'd do on a CPU/GPU/chipset mount, but great on RAM heatspreaders or GPU backplates.
THE SANDSEEKER U.K He forgot the question mark but come on!! More than fifty ppl got it, how come you didn't.
It isn't actually thermal interface material as such because it is historically used as a filler while this... isn't.
But does it work in laptops?
MMm as advertised i think not that look at what Linus opens then go to the link and bang not as advertised ! and to think i was actually going to buy it especially since would never have to deal with that thermal compound damn i hate that crap on my hands
Finally..... proper easy thermal pad for the CPU. No more of the poxy pate to deal with.
Can you see how well it works with the pad directly on the CPU die? That would be interesting (esp compared to liquid metal)
ya i wanna see how it proforms on a de-lidded 8700k or something ^^
WeeemRCB It's conductive, so I don't think that direct contact with the die is safe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
it is, just cut it so it's the same size as the die and you're safe
also, I'd like to see them delid a cpu and put this instead of liquid metal.
Liquid metal is also conductive...what you do is coat the parts in liquid electrical tape or select clear nail polish. My only issue is that liquid metal would be thinner and has just a hair over 2x thermal rating (73 W/mk). So the pad would perform worse, way worse. Not only by being thicker than liquid metal, but by this video, it was a hair away from the same temps as IC Diamond, we are talking 1c difference. So the pad, which is thicker, has a 8x higher thermal rating vs IC Diamond, was the exact same temp.
All in, its a great idea. It would remove the need to replace dried up TIM over the years, would stop new builders from messing it up, and would be great for those that test CPUs, MOBOs, CPU Coolers. But for the high end users, those wanting to get the most out of their cooling system, this is a waste of time and money, and would get better results from something like KRYONAUT from Thermal Grizzly (the makes of the most common liquid metal).
it is thicker so I don't think it would fit between the die and spreader. the socket would put extra pressure on the substrate because the spreader would be a tiny bit higher
i actually bought one of these. i get the same temps as paste, or slightly lower!! works great! !
paste idle - 30-32c throttle- 60c
IC graphite pad idle - 20-26c throttle - 55c
This is really cool in my opinion.
If it does really work then it has far greater advantages over paste.
Would love to see this improve even more.
But it'll work even better if you make a paste out of it.
But that removes the advantage of being able to use it again and again.
Maybe integrate it on top of the cpu lid.
Or maybe even delid and out it directly on the dye? Will definitely have to cut it down a bit
Bingo, we have a winner. Never deal with paste ever again and get it to size already for whatever CPU you buy.
Me: Woah this is awesome! I'm gonna buy like three!
*Goes to Amazon page*
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Me: ...
Lazy yep same!
Me : Stop talking about yourself in 3rd person, fuckhead.
You : ...
You can actually buy them on eBay, but the spec sheet says 20W/K, not 35W/K. Still better than 3W/K though.
me: lol
Just like any other PC breakthrough, it's going to be bought and scalped. Just you wait, this shit will be $100 per 30x30mm sheet.
AN ADVANTAGE TO THIS DRY APPROACH IS THAT... THERES NO LIQUID!
i read that right when linus said that in the video lol
you arn't wrong
After seeing this video last year, I replaced my PC and server's thermal paste with these pads. I've seen no issues so far and they seem to equate any other normal compound without the mess. Install was a pain in the ass as they slide around VERY easily. Only thing I would like to see is the pads a little thicker or confirmation they can be stacked and maintain conductivity. Will probably stick with these as I start to build up my home network. Hope that helps anyone curious about them :)
Looks very practical! I just can't help but think touching it with fingers would degrade the performance because of the oil, so it would always have to be applied with tweezers. Not a big deal, though
that's why they used pliers to apply the actual one they tested!
I imagine the average customer would not apply it with tweezers. I question whether the averave customer even owns tweezers.
But they touched it before applying it...
Tweezers seem like a common household item... Perhaps its just a UK thing to always have tweezers (manicure set at least, if not man draw)
oil is pretty heat conductive it wont help cuz of an extra layer but i dont think it will even show up on the tests tbh
Just for the sake of transparency no thermal paste (jump cut). 4:32
ikr
That was hilarious!.
exactly what i was thinking :D
TARAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like sake. Especially transparent sake.
They should ship heatsinks with these pre attatched.
I think you would just mean "included" they don't really attach strictly speaking...and you wouldn't want or need to put anything else between them and the metal
Actually i remember the ryzen 2400g has these things
Not necessarily. The conductive nature of graphite makes it a good candidate to trigger RMA hell from "not tech-savvy" people.
they should ship heatsinks made entirely out of that graphite material!
So the heatsinks can mold and be squishy and not stand in 1 shape??
Would be nice if you would update this, comparing the performance of IC Graphite with Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut and a few pastes.
It definitely doesn't perform as well as the liquid metal stuff, liquid metalI is basically unbeatable in above sub-zero applications, I tried both in my laptop, and comparing to arctic mx4 the liquid metal can usually bring the CPU (i7 4870hq) temperature down about 5~7°, but I just don't feel confident enough keep it in my laptop, and as far as longevity goes, liquid metal doesn't need to be re-applied often or at all, but some people say after about 2-3 years, you will want to reapply it. It's thermal results won't get worse, but over time, it does leave a sand-like texture on the die and underside of the IHS. You will have to lightly sand this texture off both the die and IHS if you leave it on too long. Again, this won't damage anything, it's just an inconvenience more than anything. As far as the IC graphite pad goes, I like them a lot simply because the performance is on part with good thermal paste (I use arctic mx4) but it won't dry out overtime.
@@richardguo1892 that sandy type of texture it leaves can actually cause worse thermal conductivity due to leaving a thicker layer for the heat to travel throughm
@@alphaplayzz1381 No dude. Stop spreading myths.
@Comrade mine says don't apply it to any aluminum surfaces. As far as copper goes, so far from my experience it has been 100% safe.
@@Silent_Shadow I don't believe you.
Try Threadripper with paste, just one pad, then cut them to the best fit you can come up with and compare.
There is a 40 x 40 pad BUT also a 70 x 70 from Panasonic: www.amazon.com/PANASONIC-INDUSTRIAL-EYG-T7070A20A-Thickness-Interface/dp/B0748LLJP4/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1525069320&sr=8-3-fkmr1&keywords=IC+Graphite+thermal+pad
That's a soft 2mm thick pad dude
2 mm Thickness?
Try Arsylid, they make a similar product And also alot larger.
Still performs higher than thermal paste though
I can't see any reasons why it should not be a next mainstream way of conducting heat away from CPUs. Easy to apply, pretty much foolproof (considering you are not an idiot who delids their CPU and puts the pad over the sensitive bits), buy once - use forever and it doesn't affect performance that much. They have been using thermal pads in cellphones for quite a while, but current ones suck, so I'm stoked to see these being used in the near future (I know Sony uses thermal compound instead of pads, but they could make the switch too)
razaelll I totally agree but it's probably quite a bit more expensive for them to use these than their bulk thermal paste. Also if they have to cut it to size in say a cellphone, how much would they lose in extra or poorly cut material. Also we'd have another case of ram shortage for our prescious graphite thermal pads X)
Kevin Doyle if you need custom sizes in large quantities, you make them that size. Or cut from larger sheets. Graphite is also quite reasonable to recycle. And very efficient, when all the scrap has the same composition like in this scenario.
pr0xZen yes good point and I understand that most manufacturers will do this, I was speaking from only the point of a manufacturer buying from IC who isn't obligated to custom make graphite pads. I understand it's probably really easy to custom make them but I am wondering about the overall production cost of making graphite pads vs large quantities of the basic thermal paste that most manufacturers use.
Thing is, most cellphone manufacturers already put thermal pads in their devices, It's just the matter of making them from different material (in this case, graphite). My point was, current thermal pads are not that great. They look like compressed chewing gum lol
razaelll true, I was just trying to point out that manufacturers are trying to make the most money and if they can just use something that they've been using that may be cheaper or even cost the same, then they'll probably stick with that since they can either save a few cents per device or at least not have to change suppliers or infastructure assuming performance isn't vastly affected by their current chewing gum lol.
ln this episode: Linus goes in dry
I see they have reached awareness of their brand
I got some of Panasonic carbon thermal pad material Digikey # P14965-ND THERM PAD 180MMX115MM W/ADH GRAY 0.0008" (0.020mm) The thinner the carbon pad the better the transfer vertically if you read the specs. I used it as a cpu thermal transfer on a Intel 9600K in place of thermal compound. It is easy to cut since it has a removable mylar backing. With the mylar removed it holds together and has a slight adhesive so it stays in place. You can peel it off to reposition if you need to. I could not see any difference in the cpu temperatures after application. One sheet is 4.5" X 8" so you can do a good number of cpu's with one sheet.
The advantage of this _dry_ approach is that there is *no* *_liquid_* .
How can we turn it liqud
notoriousbig3k melt it
and it is reusable
#aircooler master race
Not really, because non-conductive liquid isn't really a problem, infact you can run your computer in a bucket of oil if you wanted to. The dry approach (in this case) is more dangerous because it's more conductive.
I absolutely love this I used it on my old, early 2008, 24” iMac’s CPU and GPU/memory. It drastically improved the performance. I cut the pads to the shape of the components, along with micro dots of paste to prevent shifting during heat sink re-install. If you want to avoid the messy paste, I highly recommend the thermal pads.
I get the feeling that his employees are afraid of him
They are because he is a klutz
Hes kinda like expected to blow the whole building with every one else him included
That's what I got out of it too, weird.
Well he IS their boss...
He rules with a rod of iron.
To be fair though, this guy in particular seems really sheepish and reserved. It doesn't come across like fear, more like social awkwardness.
I just bought the phase changing material "PTM7950" from Honeywell (become liquid at 60°C) nearly as good as liquid metal (and it last forever)
I'd buy the shit out of this. Taking pasty stuff close to electronics makes me feel wonky. No need to apply/wipe.
will u also buy shit ?
I just bought some noctua paste today to change my 2 years and half 5820k - nzxt kraken x61. I don't know if I shall make some tests with before and after cause I am lazy, but I will do it to see the difference between the old and the new. I cannot even remember if I used the noctua paste or the one that came with the kraken kit.
Try Arsylid, they make a similar product
www.aliexpress.com/item/ARSYLID-70-150-0-025mm-High-thermal-conductivity-material-Phone-shell-thermal-graphite-CPU-GPU-artificial/32838781195.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.R1Lo3s
Id buy too. Thermal paste is annoying when trouble shooting a not working PC.
I like how it's immediately obvious Linus is about to do ads before he even opens his mouth...
Its because of that kicked puppy dog look he gets on his face just before he does.
I also like how they're exactly 10 second long on every video, so the 10 second skip in mobile viewers means I never have to listen to them.
ahahah good one!
@@matthewramada922 Desktop viewers too, just press "L" while it's playing.
@@Tony_Goat Yeah, or apparently the left and right arrow key buttons work the same way as the "double tap" skip. I guess I just never thought to try it on a computer until I got in the habit from using the feature on mobile devices.
4:00 Linus is a no lube kinda guy confirmed.
Linustechtips FUCKS
Linus is a power bottom confirmed
What the frick is vivaldi doing on a linus tech tips video
"I don't excite women"
Cool story.
No condom kinda guy aswel with 2 children lmfao. Nah his family are amazing
Last May, I bought this and used it in an old iMac right after I saw this video. It works great. Easily trimmed to fit over the CPU and GPU and memory. No mess and improved its performance.
So... why not have this permanently attached to the heatsink? Less steps and fuss.
In what way would you permanently attach it that wouldnt affect its thermal properties?
you would need to glue it?
FoodOnCrack flextape
can I glue it to the heatsink with thermal paste and get the same exact thermals if not better on the 9900k as the I C diamond?
@@zazuch Huh? You attach it on the sides, fucking duh.
W/mK is a measure of how much heat energy (Watts) gets transmitted across one meter of material for every degree (Kelvin) difference in the end temperature. If that material is 9 times better than the paste then that's only good provided it's less than 9 times thicker.
+Andrew Louw It can be a bit thicker than [9x] thermal paste and still be better, since it's application is more consistent, reusable, and they're comparing it to ideal paste that is more likely to expire over time rather than lower conductivity longer lifespan pastes. Of course that's ignoring its ability to fill the defects that TIM is meant for, it might not make as good contact on each surface, which would reduce it's conductivity a bit further.
ty for the explanation of the Kelvin part. I was having a hard time understanding how the third variable fit in :P It seems it must be almost exactly 9 times thicker then, because the temps were about the same. Either that, or maybe the bottle neck is just how quickly the heat transfers from the base of the actual heatsink to the fins. Either way, it's certainly a lot more convenient.
@Joe Chief Sounds like a good reason to do like we used to a few years ago Lathing, Sanding, Smoothing the CPU and cooling block again. So do you think smoothing would help it work better.???
Smoothing sounds counter intuitive since you usually want more surface area for heat transmission. But I guess since this is a flat, solid material, smoothing would have a better application as it can't get into surface grooves.
I wonder if this can ever be adapted into a paste with the same performance, then it'd be the best product on the market, theoretically.
I would still use thermal paste for Direct Touch Heatpipes coolers.
The reason for this is that this pad cant really fill in the gaps like paste can.
Graphite, huh? Time to do a shaved pencil test.
Hmm that would be an interesting video, I'd watch that. Maybe I should make that...
You can get graphite powder at the hardware store. Look for lock lubricant. There's a pretty good reason it probably wouldn't though. Thermal paste is fine particles of solid material that's great at conducting heat suspended in some kind of liquid that's pretty ok at it. Even if you smash the graphite into as fine a powder as you can and and mount the heat sink so tight it's just shy of breaking the motherboard, the liquid that your awesome conductive graphite is suspended in is plain old air.
I think one of the reasons it conducts so well in the longitudinal axis and is electrically conductive is that the carbon atoms are formed in a unidirectional way. Shaving a pencil would just produce a random mix of randomly oriented carbon molecules..
Not to mention this stuff is electrically conductive. Sneeze and it's all over your MB
@Daniel McKenzie: I doubt it will actually fry your motherboard everytime... And since most of the time when you are sneezing while putting this on you'd have the computer on. The takeaway is that it saves you from the cleanup.
For anyone looking to buy this, just make sure you clean every last bit of leftover thermal paste off the heatsink and CPU, otherwise it creates an uneven surface and kills temps. I used this with an i5 3570s, (just as a test, totally not me being lazy or anything) and I didn't perfectly clean off all the thermal paste, so the temperatures were easily hitting 100°c. I did not care. It took me 8 hours to get that damn CPU working (part of the issue was the leftover thermal paste, part was the bios I thought was updated for ivy bridge) so I just dealt with it for 8 months until I decided to get an i7 3770. Only then did I discover what a difference cleaning all the thermal paste off makes.
just apply this as a coating to the base of the heatsink in the factory.
That's not how it works. Besides would you rather a reusable material like this to forever be stuck to the heatsink or just own it and use it wherever you need? Innovation Cooling don't just make enthusiast PC builder products.
Innovation Cooling could, in fact, cut a deal with the likes of Intel or AMD for their product to essentially be included with every chip, or it could just remain a product to be purchased directly by the consumer. I'd personally prefer the latter.
The thermal paste companies will put pressure on them not to do it
I don't see how they wouldn't benefit from that tech. I can see Innovation Cooling owning the patent and just share the tech with those companies while selling their wares online. It's a compromise for the market and may be better for us consumers as we will find more options at the store than glorified brands.
Luise Atoll people spend 100's of $ on thermal pastes if the cooler companies apply this and sell the thermal paste companies will go bankrupt, if the companies like Intel and amd start putting good paste on their CPUs and sell them the thermal paste companies will go bankrupt.its a conspiracy to make you spend money
Thing is called Pyrolytic Graphite Sheet. You can get them in larger sizes on digikey, mouser...
That is interesting...I wonder if there are any differences at all in the formula for this.
what if you use them on a gpu?
Ty Rymer the results might shock you! (Literally).. or even burn you? Hmm
With the 2d axis thermal transfer rate on this thing it'll probably be amazing for vapour chamber style coolers!
Well they did say it's conductive, which usually you wouldn't wanna use on gpus. But I've seen people use liquid metal on gpus, which is very conductive. They take huge precautions to make sure it doesn't get on other chips.
Hypothetically because this is a pad not a liquid, it'd be perfect for GPUs given that the cooler is mounted properly and tightly so the pad doesn't shift around and if it's cut to the exact size of the die.
GPUs have some SMDs around the die so you don't want to short them with graphite.
It's not going to short anything out if you cut it to the size of the die. It would work very well.
The difference between horizontal and vertical heat transfer efficiency could be due to the crystal structure of graphite, which is made of layers of graphene. There is lower resistance within a layer of graphene than there is between different layers in a piece of graphite. Cool stuff!
"You finished first, now I feel akward" That's What she said
His poor wife, he mounts dry and finishes first. Sad.
at least it feels natural to him
unexpected coming-Freud-out? )
*SOLID THERMAL PASTE*
get out
Its not paste.... Thats kinda the point of using it.
whoosh
thank you Jesus
Well, it only turned solid after 4:01
Linus keep that guy he is so cool as that thermal pad awesome
Your comment makes no sense.
your comment make no sense either one video channel guy
Ah! Fixed it I see?
fix what ? Mr. one video channel if you are a troll then stop replay back and I'll stop I might not have the best grammar in the world but at least I respect the comment of all viewers here if you think you are better correcting people I suggest to stop doing that
you too two subscribers guy xD
I have had one of these running in my ryzen 5 system for around 6 months and I'm still loving it. If I ever have to take my system apart for any reason I dont have to deal with any mess and I never have to feel like I'm wasting thermal paste.
Could you delid a cpu and use the carbon pad instead of what intel uses and see if it’s better?
just using liquid metal is much better, since the layer is thinner and the conductivity is better. It doesn't move and is sealed, so there is no reason not to use LM for that.
tommihommi1 I know. I’ve head it’s the best around but as an experiment I’d like to know if this pad is better then what the cpu comes with.
Of course it's better than what comes with the CPU, even the shitty ic diamond is. It's just that when you're delidding, it's a waste of effort to use anything else than LM (also LM is cheaper than this)
It would still be interesting to see how this pad performs as TIM replacement. The general assumption is that Intel uses its horrible TIM because it does not degrade too much over time, as would be the case with many higher-performing pastes. Depending on the price of these pads there should be no excuse for Intel to continue with that bullshit.
Using such a pad it would also be possible to improve CPUs in moving environments, which is not recomended with liquid metal. So it could be a good option to improve cooling in laptops as well.
no cause the pad is electrically conductive
W/mK:
W: Joules per second of heat energy conducted
K: Difference between hot side and cold side in degrees K (or C)
m: Thickness of the conductive material in meters (IDK about you, but I'm amused and confused picturing a meter-thick thermal pad)
meters can be substituted with centimeters
*Goes to buy one*
*Currently Unavailable*
Yeah...Thanks, Linus, for showing us something we cannot get a hold of.
We must obtain the unobtainum
thermal pads have been around for years
And your point? Of course, they have been. This isn't a standard "thermal pad" in the slightest. Why are you even replying to my comment with this nonsense?
I'd like to order one industrial thermal padding, please. Wait a minute, It is too big and fluffy and it retains heat instead of transferring it.
500k people have seen this video and you think they would have enough to go around? a new cooling solution thats just come off the production line and you think they just stack that shit?
I can see this product working very very well in a lot of product spaces.
1: Eliminates the guess work of "Was that enough, not enough paste?!?!?!"
2: Hi-Part swap system builds - Smaller rack mount labs, etc...
3: DIY people who are looking for a fast, easy, simple approach.
Well, send them to Intel, so they can stop using their toothpaste that they are so in love with and get something proper on there since they have forgotten how to solder :D
I want to see more of this:
1- delid a cpu with this
2- Don't re-apply IHS after deliding
Why would you do that?
I remember there being an issue with applying coolers directly without the IHS
Good way to crack the CPU die
Word.
If I consume it, will that mean I will always be...Cool? Ill let myself out...
You can ingest any thermal paste if you want to be cool.
I would strongly suggest you stay away from the cheap tub. You'll be cool, but not cool enough.
You’ll definitely be cold. Stone *dead* cold that is.
Yes, but with this, it'll be permanent... o.o
Linus needs to pin this
I've heard they slide around easily and they conduct electricity. Meaning if they slide off during installation and you don't see it = shorted out fried board.
Do we have EUREKA moment here? This looks like the best thing out there for any average Joe in this world
"There are things in life that feel natural to mount dry." - Linus Sebastian
7:56 - "...you could actually have diarrhoea..."
lol that pause.....
I have a pair of these in an R710 X5680, X3550 M5 Xeon E5-5680 v3 and R7910 with Xeon E5-5680 v4. None of them have missed a beat. I use the 40x40mm sized IC Graphite Thermal pads.
Shit Luke’s gotten really skinny
Where is luke? Did he leave?
Drew H Well technically yes, he now works for Floatplane Media which is technically a separate company.
MrDrosophila Yep same!
4:00 LinusSexTips
Mustafa Ahmed true
4:40
keep the likes at 69...
you know why..
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Please make a follow up on this Guys, New tech?
Been using this pad now on my 8700k for 7 months. No issues at all, absolutely love it
How's the temp?
@@AAmxs max ive seen is 74c and that was during gaming
@@appleml8013 thanks man
AppleML
Have you done a stress test with Aida64? Also what cooler are you using? 74c in gaming is way too high, I get that temperature when I’m rendering which normally is more load for the CPU than gaming. Unless you overclocked it, then 74c would be outstanding.
I have the same processor, cooled with Noctua NH D15 + Arctic Silver 4. And when overclocked to 4.7 GHZ it gets to 85 degrees.
How about trimming and putting between the heatspreader instead of liquid metal. This would be an some video! To use this inside would reduce dripping of liquid medal!
better yet, use this with the de-lidded water cooling block ;)
Except that this conducts electricity really well. That introduces the possibility of shorting out your CPU.
Liquid metal also conducts electricity. Covering the surroundings of the CPU die with nail polish as recommended by Der8auer would prevent the cpu shorting in both cases, whether liquid metal or graphite pad. What I think might be an issue is the pad thickness though. Heatspreader may not end up touching the CPU board all around its edges. But that should not be an issue after all if applying pressure evenly from the cooler
I hope Linus Tech Tips tries this
hence it would make a great video
Linus: "you finished first, now I feel awkward"
The only reason you have to feel awkward is from saying that that to an employee.
Anchor Bait if was a female employee the media would be all over him
Oh my god, I didn't get that while watching the video (thinking linus would be faster at ... screwing) but now in that context... All inuuenedo, smh.
USS-DH naughty Linus.. Bad! Bad! Haha
I use graphite in glassblowing. Its super conductive and soft, it rubs off on your fingers. The hot glass ice skates over it, I wonder if you could draw on paper with that little thermal pad.
The graphite that you write with is a mix of graphite and clay, which is why it's soft and can be used to write with. These thermal pads are basically like graphene or carbon nanotubes.
Isn't graphene very different from graphite? I don't think that pad is anything but pure graphite, or is it?
Graphene is just one layer of molecules - theoretically on same orientation, graphite is just a whole mess of carbon molecules next to that.
I google'd it up before commenting, just to make sure I wasn't spewing internet nonsense. Graphene is a single layer (or "sheet") of carefully-arranged carbon molecules (as guzmaekstroem said) which are used in numerous applications, including those where conductivity or strength is important (graphene can be stronger than diamond).
Graphite is actually just a crystalline form of carbon (which I didn't know), so while graphite =/= graphene, my statement that these pads are "basically like graphene" is accurate. They share similar properties and use similar molecular layouts to perform their tasks.
"I kind of feel like you could actually have diarrhea." - Linus from LTT, 2018
7:55
i'm so glad that also other people hear this.
now i don't feel like Alfred E. Neuman anymore
That looks very similar to what Panasonic sales other than is 28W/m-K in Z direction it looks identical. I will get one from digikey on my next order to test as is less than $10 and larger so I can cut the size that I need. It is 0.2mm thick guessing same as this.
Some reviewer said it was 0.005 thick; there is PGS available in 0.0051 so...
0.005" ? that will be about 127um what I seen that looks similar is 200um still should be good as they say is 0.2 Celsius increase per watt and square cm and so for a 3x3 cm this thermal pad has it means 9cm^3 surface thus for say a 95W CPU at full load you have ( 95W / 9cm^3 ) x 0.2 = 2.1 Celsius temperature delta between the two faces and that is not much at all.
would this work for mobile devides like laptops and nuks ?
Yes. In fact most of the testing and discussion on IC's own website deals with cooling laptops.
Laptops have a CPU die similar to a GPU.
They have no IHS, just a bare die.
So you will have to cut it to size and be careful
Yeah it totally works on nukia
I'm guessing it should be way way better than stock paste?
flyingvish sure but you might break your phone if you accidentaly fuck it up
Watch 4:40 then watch 2:41
Conclusion 5:54
Other man bonding moments
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3:04 The IC diamond 24 is 2000 - 2500 W/mk
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I found it yesterday and went ahead and purchased it.
40x40mm have one seller...and they does not ship to Germany... wtf? How about to put some additionally shipping costs and send it?... instead there is only "free shipping" option...
Check the comments, there is a link to amazon there for the product :)
Checked the link, that's the message i'm getting. I guess Romania is not something on the list for that product.
it's on amazon, but the bloody store doesnt ship to australia
3:40 nope, thats not how it works. That´s not how any of it works. 35W/m.K means, that if you got a cube 1x1x1m, and have a heat flow of 35W the temperature difference between one face and the opposite will be 1K aka 1°C.
That seems a bit convoluted, since you usually have the temperature difference first, then asks about how much energy can be transferred per unit time. So my slightly different definition is that if you got a cube 1x1x1m, and have temperature difference between the sides 1K aka 1°C, you can transfer 35W of power away from the hotter side.
@@gypsyzz yes, that is another way of looking at it, just like the different sides of R=V/I, depends what you have and what you are solving for. In actual design you know how many watts you need to get rid off, and what maximum temperature your cpu can allow, therefore what is the temparature difference cpu to ambient. From that (and thermal resistance of your heatsink) you get the required max thermal resistance cpu to heatskink, in K/W. Now you know the size of the contact area and the thickness of the thermal pad, which lets you determine what minimal thermal resistivity of the bulk material you need.
If you know ohms law, then this is the same. Temparature drop is power "flowing through" times thermal resistance.
@@kubeek Thanks for pointing it out. I forgot about the TDP of CPUs are already specified, that makes more sense to calculate it your way.
@@kubeek so when one face is at 35w another side is at 34w or 36w? I cant wrap my head around the concept of W/m.K
@@Lowkas One face cannot be at 34W and the other at 36W, that makes no sense. 35W of heat is being transferred from face1 to face2, and that produces 1K difference in temperature, when face1 and face2 have area of 1m2 and the distance between them is 1m.
2:32 "If you just toss it on your motherboard it's gonna fry it" seems like a moot point to me, because NOBODY installs a CPU while the PC is turned on.
Whoops I guess I've been installing CPU's wrong this whole time.
I've used it for almost 3 years in my build and reused it with a new aio cooler like a year ago.. never had any issues with it..
This one looks cool! Easier to apply......
If they can get the same or better temps everyone will switch. Hell I kind of want a few now for my CPU and GPU
overapplying isnt a risk though? the excess just gets squeezed out. its a mess to clean up but normal thermal pastes are non conductive.
HailgodMC the problem is having a thicker layer of the paste between the cpu and the heatsink which reduces the efficiency of heat dissipation. Even if some of it is squeezed to the sides, you'll end up with more of it in between.
honestly this would work really well for threadripper. they can just order a larger sheet and cut it to size.
The biggest win with this is that there's no way to find it on your fingers after using it.
Using these would be great for benchmarking cpu coolers. It gets rid of a variable.
Thanks for the review. I was researching this product as I need to either reapply my thermal paste or try a thermal pad. The reviews are still great in 2023, so I think I will give it a shot. It can't be worse than old dried up thermal paste. Another thing to note... in the video they were concerned about the size not covering the entire cpu surface area. Well, a larger size is available. Cheers!
There are somethings that feel natural to mount dry
Like what?
Oh Linus.... C:
They should make the IHS from that material and you wont need thermal paste?
1:31 that's probably going to be one of Apple's color names
Jesus Meza sems to be more like google with just white etc naming
Jesus Meza feel more like what Google it doing I mean REALLY BLUE c'mon
Munjee Syed That was to mock Apple moron.. Watch their conference.
Max M Incorrect. That was to mock Apple. Watch their conference moron.
Why call him a moron? I totally agree with him and google is the first thing that came to my mind and even if he (like me) hasn't watched the conference, why is he any reason a moron?
Did you try without any paste and without any pads as well?
i want to see more about this. like if you got a bigger pad, is it better? can you cut it down to size if its too big?
Layarion I’m pretty sure you can it’s the same material all around and it’s probably cut Into that size from a big pad
you used 30mmX30mm and it didn't cover the whole metal plate
for better results try using the bigger version 40mmX40mm and upload it
@@snaplash 2 years on my laptop, 1 on my desktop and still going :)
@@WarPigstheHun How's the performance vs say a factory applied thermal paste?
@@WarPigstheHun should i use this these on my msi gs66 stealth?
@@rekokovero9155 idkwtf that is, but if its a cpu cooler then yes, hell yes. I haven't changed my cpu thermal pad ever since i put it in its great :)
@@WarPigstheHun can you use it on gpu die?
he seems so scard of getting fired
So it works really good edge to edge. So it needs to be oversized and slight stickiness to the heatsink. So the heat moves across the heatsink and over better.
7:59 You could have diarrhea ?
This is crazy. I like the reusable part and that you don't have to clean anything anymore. No more scrubbing the CPU when remounting something. I gotta have that somehow.
2:42 Everytime Linus Tech uploads another video............
you should submerge a computer in thermal paste.
Neah just mail it to the pole its gonna get cooled
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Cool
@Owen Yin just get more lol wtf
I bought one of these probably 9 months ago based on this video and I haven't been disappointed. I've always hated the imprecise nature of thermal paste and the "about the size of a pea" type of guidelines for its application. I've had to disassemble my system a couple of times since buying this product, and I really love not making a run to (insert electronics store name) to buy overpriced thermal paste because I didn't happen to have any on hand. It will just always be there and work. I love that.
Aaaaand it's already unavailable on Amazon. LOL If you could just once tell me about something that doesn't disappear before I can get it, that would be great. lol :)
Right???? I went digging around online and all I can find is spec sheets and out of stock places.
Great product and product testing video. I used this on my new gaming PC I just built in May 2019. (Ryzen 2700 idles at 34 and heats up to around 58 with Prime95 running). Then I bought a 2nd pad when I installed a larger CPU cooler on a prebuilt Lenovo I'm improving for my wife. (Web and office use - removed dust, moved OS to SSD, added 2 case fans and installed larger CPU cooler onto an A10 7800).
Using a calculator while Excel is open...
They are lacking simple knowledge on every step....
Who the fuck can use excel anyways
Im guessing you are unemployed, Luukasa
@@0611930024838 not everyone know/can use excel. I myself dont know/dont like to use excel that much. Just because they dont use it doesnt make them unemployed.
Matthew Littler 👌👌👌👌
if it has 800w/m-k side to side, why doesn't somebody make a heatsink with fins made of the stuff in an aluminium cage for bump protection only
Hey Linus,
I've designed my own thermal paste made out of super fine pure Graphite powder. I'll share my results as soon as I get my rig up and running again, thermal pads are not a bad choice, but won't be as effective as thermal paste and/or liquid metal as it doesnt fill up the minor machine marks and imperfections on the block or CPU. According to some research graphite can be up to 1950W/mK. It scales just under diamonds heat conductivity.
My thermal graphite paste is up to 0.399 ųm or 0.000399mm and with a compound that doesnt dry out/or get hard with time.
Will test it out on a basic entry level 3770(non-k) to see the results
I can't tell if you're joking or serious.
Sorry for the late response,
I am serious, so far didn't have any problems yet, temps running cooler
Want to test it for a month to see if it dries up or anything like that
The Amazon Links does not work for me, where to buy in Germany?
Yeah German Amazon does not find anything.
I think I saw something like that at a conrad store
"IC Graphite Thermal Pad Available for Test and Review" Apr 9, 2018.
Anjayl thanks. Hope for it to be released soon
www.innovationcooling.com/
Bottom of the page they list distributors. PC-Cooling.DE is listed but all I saw was their IC Diamond line of pastes. Perhaps there is another listed that carries it and ships to Germany. Otherwise, you might want to inquire with PC-Cooling.DE as to whether they will be adding this to their products.
Test it on a GPU.
That's what I was thinking. Too many damn graphics cards go bad over on Tom's Hardware because people forget that the relationship between the cpu and heatsink is the exact same as the relationship between the GPU and the heatsink for that, and by too many people I mean when my r9 270x started failing and I barely saved it when I found that out.
GPU manufacturers would be wise in adding these by default, but they would lose money on idiots like myself toasting their out of warranty GPU.
David Raygoza Not really losing all that many customers, if the application makes for a more reliable experience.
Hi, I read somewhere a guy was testing with these graphite pads and discovered that they wear out over time due to compression of the material. If you say replace the CPU on your mother board once or twice no difference but since he was testing with alot of CPU's and changing them he noticed the pad compressed in some areas and wasn't making total contact when he first used the product. So if you are using them for testing you can see it failing over time.