@2:15, I'm the bastard responsible for putting all the keyword counters in a single category on the mtg wiki, and it makes me so happy to see the effect I have had on this video.
Spicey Boy: "But have you heard of these types of counters?" Me, who has a deck that tries to put every type of counter on Skullbriar: "Yes, yes I have."
@@Oopsall Divinity counters are actually really easy in comparison to some other types. Kindred Boon and That Which Was Taken both can just put counters on Skullbriar directly.
@@cassidycook9018 @BroeJoe I've got the deck in paper, but lost my digital record of it a while ago when I had some account issues on MTGGoldfish. I'll go through the list and reupload it if people really want to see it.
"Not unlike panicking during an ikoria draft and exclusively picking up Sudden Spinnerets. Ever counter from this point out is gonna be a reach" You are so delightfully clever and your videos are very enjoyable
Children have a LOT of blood counters. If I was a child and a nice green woman asked for my blood counters... I'd give her the blood counters Miriam she NEEDS them!
I really thought you were going to go with a "charging of the bulls" and leave the charge counters on the Transmogrifying Wand as a "psych" because that Ox is definitely looking like it wants to charge that wizard.
ACKUALLY what if the animal in the art of transmogrifying wand is an ox/ram hybrid, and what do rams do? THEY CHARGE AND THEREFORE THE CHARGE COUNTERS ARE A PERFECT FIT *insert nfl theme*
You can’t put loyalty counters on Shrine of Loyal Legions, that would break the game! You could put a loyalty counter on your shrine, then move it with Nesting Grounds to give a free +1 to one of your planeswalkers every turn! The game would never recover!
The mechanical reason is because there are effects that add and remove charge counters specifically and effects like The Ozolith could move counters of the same type around to something with a different function for them potentially creating unintended combos.
I was thinking, "Bounty doesn't mean that within magic", and this explains why that's an issue. I put mana into Cornucopia, it represents more food or W/e, and then I find a way to move it, and suddenly it means someone has a price on their head.
@@calemr 15 flying squirrels can beat the physical manifestation of an eldritch monstrosity that exists in the space between planes. A little wordplay probably isn't that big of a thematic issue.
Spiceman is a marketing genius: He created a problem I never thought to have than he propose his solution his solution is very well made my problem with charge counters has been resolved
Spice: doing the ending spiel and talking about it being a shorter video and how much of a pain it'd be to alter Mirrodin Charge counters. Me: sweats because there's about 20 mins left in the video
I haven't watched this yet but I always thought it would be funny if they made a keyword ability named Charge so that Charge counters retroactively became an Ikoria keyword counter. Bonus points if whatever Charge does can stack.
Blast zone could use Fuse counters, it is just a land reprint of Powder Keg. Same with Engineered Explosive and Ratchet Bomb. bring back fuse counters for bombs
1:36 in the exact moment, where he went to the left side, I swiped to the left on my phone. I had to rewatch the scene to make sure, TH-cam didn't went interactive.
Etrada's hit counters. I dont know if it was a joke or not, but it sounds like Spice thought it was literally signifying that Etrada needs to 'hit' your opponent to gain the counter. but "hit" in this case refers to assassin4tion. "Carrying out a hit" is a common phrase with bountyhunter's and such.
And now that we have Streets of New Capenna, Palliation Accord is no longer the only card with shield counters. That Gremlin card is now more interesting.
You were so preoccupied with whether you could, you didn't stop to think whether you should. (also I'm Untap, Upkeep, Lose. I'm glad you enjoyed my patreon name)
Spice8Rack videos have two types: -Insanely well researched discussions about important topics contextualized through Magic The Gathering -Insanely well researched categorization of something weirdly specific that no one had an issue with or even cared about in the first place and i wouldn't have it any other way
I actually think "charge" counters make sense with the Transmogrifying Wand - the glowing runes on the wand suggests limited 'charges' of the spell loaded into the wand.
This video had the side effect of making me realize the history and significance of charge counters. So I actually appreciate them a lot more now. Thank you Spice!
There’s this thing about representation, the difference between “oh I get that, that’s like me” and “whoa, that IS Me.”. Not that there aren’t other Queer content creators doing good work, but so much about your videos resonates differently for me. Love your nails here. Thank You for the work
i know the ultimate argument of Wizards will be that "retireing" all those counters and replacing them with a "generic" charge counter makes the game easier to understand and play, i still appreciate the thoughtful and in depth deconstruction of the existing counters here.
"Finally we have a counter to Palliation Accord, the only card that uses them" Less than a year later: Shield counters reintroduced in New Capenna, Palliation Accord gets errata changing it to using palliation counters
Mechanically speaking I think most of the artifact counters need to be converted TO charge counters… there are a lot of cards that refer to charge counters on other cards, and those cards usually interact with how many times or how quickly the charge counter ability is able to be used. If you think of charge counters like charges on magic items in d&d, it makes sense that something being able to recharge a magic tool’s energy should be universally able to do so (with some exceptions). Brick counters from amonkhet, for example, are a great flavor win with them representing the building or destroying of literal buildings and the gain or loss of their effects, but when the building is completed or demolished the artifact card is still on the field. The brick counters in this case represent the buildup or depletion of the special ability of the card/building. As in it’s charging up or losing charge.
This is an over 40 minute long video where an adult talks about a non-issue in a child’s card game, based off of another adult singing about said card game to the tune of a song from a cartoon older than Minecraft. Another beautifully executed video. Cheers!
fun fact: the reason that MTGO uses the "paw" shape counter for hoofprint counters is that there was a limited budget available to make counters, and there was one made that had to cover all animal-type things. it's not the goofiest association in the game, but even so, given the options that were available when making that decision, I maintain it's the correct choice.
That Forge of Darkness in the background though. I love me some Erikson. The Karkanas books must have been in your wheelhouse being a poet yourself. Imagine if Blind Gallan popped up in a video to comment on the state of mtg This video is also absolutely fabolous!
14:45 This just isn't true. Blast Zone specifically represents when Bolas' Planar Bridge opened and blew up the Chamber of the Guildpact. It wasn't any kind of barrage by someone that was aiming at the building from outside.
you CANNOT put a clip from "a crow looked at me" without warning like that. my heart just dropped a thousand miles (kilometers?) once it figured out what was playing.
For the wand variant i think charge is flavorful enough. Since those wand has limited charge before running out so you need to add it back or it is the throwable type and cant be recharge.
I see charge counters on magic items like the magistrates scepter and the wands to harken back to D&D and how all magic items also use charges. So I feel like those are fine. But yeah, charge counters on some of these definitely need rewording
Alright my vorel charge counters deck needs you to stop right there. How am I supposed to use surge node to take more turns than is ethically acceptable with magistrate's scepter otherwise?
I completely guessed wrong about what this video was gonna be. I thought it was gonna be like an insightful engineering thing, since all counters generally work the same way but to more easily keep track of multiple different counters.
For everflowing chalice, the card gives you back a reward proportional to your initial investment. I think this is flavorful of a chalice which accepts whatever liquid you have and then only gives you that one liquid. So the stronger your initial potion the stronger the output. I haven't gone through all the counter names, but something like brew or potency?
![I gave every Magic: the Gathering Planeswalker a Fursona [CC]｜Spice8rack](/img/n.gif)
I gave this video a “like” counter if you know what I mean. Right folks
Heh heh heh 😎
That’s what she said
I think he's just looming the mill vs discard video over us to keep us subscribed. I mean that in the best way possible, love your stuff Spice!
It's coming this year ;)
@@Spice8Rack Yay! I got you to confirm lore about the Spice8Rack cannon!
@@Spice8Rack sure it is
@@Spice8Rack ill wait for you forever
@@Spice8Rack But spice, it's the 19th month of 2020 and it's not ending anytime soon, this year doesn't narrow it down at all!
@2:15, I'm the bastard responsible for putting all the keyword counters in a single category on the mtg wiki, and it makes me so happy to see the effect I have had on this video.
Thank you for your sacrifice
"I tap 7 and play Sphincter Boner."
"...You mean Sphynx-Bone Wand?"
"No."
"Did I stutter?"
I once played the counterspell Geist Snatch and yelled “GHOST PUSSY!!!” and everyone died laughing for like 4 minutes
Spicey Boy: "But have you heard of these types of counters?"
Me, who has a deck that tries to put every type of counter on Skullbriar: "Yes, yes I have."
How's the divinity counters going lol
@@Oopsall Divinity counters are actually really easy in comparison to some other types. Kindred Boon and That Which Was Taken both can just put counters on Skullbriar directly.
Link to list?
List tho?
@@cassidycook9018 @BroeJoe I've got the deck in paper, but lost my digital record of it a while ago when I had some account issues on MTGGoldfish. I'll go through the list and reupload it if people really want to see it.
"Not unlike panicking during an ikoria draft and exclusively picking up Sudden Spinnerets. Ever counter from this point out is gonna be a reach"
You are so delightfully clever and your videos are very enjoyable
This video felt like one of those bizarre Courage the cowardly dog episodes.
Children have a LOT of blood counters. If I was a child and a nice green woman asked for my blood counters... I'd give her the blood counters Miriam she NEEDS them!
"What is monarchy but the theft of a nation by aristocratic birthright?"
I need a time machine so I can make that my yearbook quote.
I really thought you were going to go with a "charging of the bulls" and leave the charge counters on the Transmogrifying Wand as a "psych" because that Ox is definitely looking like it wants to charge that wizard.
ACKUALLY what if the animal in the art of transmogrifying wand is an ox/ram hybrid, and what do rams do? THEY CHARGE AND THEREFORE THE CHARGE COUNTERS ARE A PERFECT FIT *insert nfl theme*
*phone rings ominously*
Jesus christ it looks like you are about to burst out of the walls with all that energy. Also love the video, I'm happy you took you're time.
I guess he had too many.....energy counters.
bro stop looking at me
Charge, one might even say
You can’t put loyalty counters on Shrine of Loyal Legions, that would break the game! You could put a loyalty counter on your shrine, then move it with Nesting Grounds to give a free +1 to one of your planeswalkers every turn! The game would never recover!
More of this strange sentiment... It's probably nostalgia.
Was just thinking you could never use spore counters on that mana fungus because of the very powerful Spore Sower combo potential
WotC: "screw it, change everything to charge counters, unify everything. Planeswalkers included."
I had such a good time making my bits for this! The finished video is AMAZING 😍 love this so much!
That Jin-Gitaxis bit was not the mental image I was expecting but probably the mental image I deserved
Love you max eaven if that make up will hunt my lite forewer
Jesus the phyrexian unlife
The mechanical reason is because there are effects that add and remove charge counters specifically and effects like The Ozolith could move counters of the same type around to something with a different function for them potentially creating unintended combos.
I was thinking, "Bounty doesn't mean that within magic", and this explains why that's an issue.
I put mana into Cornucopia, it represents more food or W/e, and then I find a way to move it, and suddenly it means someone has a price on their head.
@@calemr 15 flying squirrels can beat the physical manifestation of an eldritch monstrosity that exists in the space between planes. A little wordplay probably isn't that big of a thematic issue.
Spiceman is a marketing genius:
He created a problem I never thought to have
than he propose his solution
his solution is very well made
my problem with charge counters has been resolved
The "Tease mill vs discard and publish other quality vids that are about something else" strategy is pretty cool actually
If you haven't heard, conversion therapy is no long legal in the uk!
Yay
I was pretty sure but was worried I’d miss heard when he said it
Spice: doing the ending spiel and talking about it being a shorter video and how much of a pain it'd be to alter Mirrodin Charge counters.
Me: sweats because there's about 20 mins left in the video
Counter point: I should still get to be able to beat you with my Pir and Toothy deck that runs a charge counter sub theme.
"We're giving my dog human legs" was not the take I was expecting in this video. Love it lmao
He loves to run
I haven't watched this yet but I always thought it would be funny if they made a keyword ability named Charge so that Charge counters retroactively became an Ikoria keyword counter. Bonus points if whatever Charge does can stack.
Blast zone could use Fuse counters, it is just a land reprint of Powder Keg. Same with Engineered Explosive and Ratchet Bomb. bring back fuse counters for bombs
1:36 in the exact moment, where he went to the left side, I swiped to the left on my phone.
I had to rewatch the scene to make sure, TH-cam didn't went interactive.
"What is monarchy if not theft of a nation by aristocratic birthright?"
Damn, subtle jab at the queen, love it
I love how insane this video got at times, just like every other video it’s great
Etrada's hit counters. I dont know if it was a joke or not, but it sounds like Spice thought it was literally signifying that Etrada needs to 'hit' your opponent to gain the counter. but "hit" in this case refers to assassin4tion. "Carrying out a hit" is a common phrase with bountyhunter's and such.
I mean, he also recontextualized bounty and wind counters :P
And now that we have Streets of New Capenna, Palliation Accord is no longer the only card with shield counters. That Gremlin card is now more interesting.
It actually got errata'd to have its own new Palliation counters instead, so it's out of the running.
Spice 8-Rack is out here trying to end Myr Coretapper's career. Sadness. Edit: A bison is a sweet and sour
yeah seriously if anything charge counters should be more universal to better support them as one cohesive mechanic
Speaking as a Teysa Karlov player who plays with a person who has an Animar deck, I feel as if that joke was made for me.
You were so preoccupied with whether you could, you didn't stop to think whether you should.
(also I'm Untap, Upkeep, Lose. I'm glad you enjoyed my patreon name)
I loved it too!
now, I actually wish more cards would use generic charge counters so they could synergize better
I really hope Purple Monkey becomes a recurring character. No matter how dead he is.
Rip Purple Monkey
This video makes poor little Coretapper very sad. Myr have feelings, too!
Spice8Rack videos have two types:
-Insanely well researched discussions about important topics contextualized through Magic The Gathering
-Insanely well researched categorization of something weirdly specific that no one had an issue with or even cared about in the first place
and i wouldn't have it any other way
Screw normal counters, all my homies love charge counters
I actually think "charge" counters make sense with the Transmogrifying Wand - the glowing runes on the wand suggests limited 'charges' of the spell loaded into the wand.
This video had the side effect of making me realize the history and significance of charge counters. So I actually appreciate them a lot more now. Thank you Spice!
My favorite part is seeing him pick up and read definitions out of books that are clearly not dictionaries
They're just an abridged remix of a dictionary, to be fair.
I can’t believe you would do this to my poor baby core tapper. THEY ARE JUST A LITTLE MYR THEY DON’T DESERVE THIS
Ah crud, shield counters are something different now...
There’s this thing about representation, the difference between “oh I get that, that’s like me” and “whoa, that IS Me.”. Not that there aren’t other Queer content creators doing good work, but so much about your videos resonates differently for me. Love your nails here. Thank You for the work
Oooh a video from my favorite channel with a rack that has 8 spices on it.
Bless you
I was certain that Transmogrifying Wand was going to be “Change” counters or Hoofprint counters because of the ox
I can't believe you'd call out Graham Stark like that. Good luck getting into the PPR now...
The pop team epic plushie is just amazing
It's wearable!
Lovely video! This video has placed a “spice counter” on my brain and I feel like proliferating! ⭐️
I had a deep primal fear that when you got to Empowered Autogenerator I was about to get sent to the Eyeball Zone.
Y'know you've called a few of your videos fever dreams, but this one really is. XD
I had to pause the video to take a moment and appreciate the Sudden Spinnerets joke. Gave me a big dumb smile.
"Who is playing that music?"
I'm goanna guess Oko.
i know the ultimate argument of Wizards will be that "retireing" all those counters and replacing them with a "generic" charge counter makes the game easier to understand and play, i still appreciate the thoughtful and in depth deconstruction of the existing counters here.
"Finally we have a counter to Palliation Accord, the only card that uses them"
Less than a year later: Shield counters reintroduced in New Capenna, Palliation Accord gets errata changing it to using palliation counters
This was amazing. Unexpectedly so, considering the subject. That's the Spice magic.
Streets of New Capenna hates this version of Gremlin Mine
I'm surprised there was no card that was about running really fast in a group towards an enemy that needed an _aggressive jogging_ counter
Mechanically speaking I think most of the artifact counters need to be converted TO charge counters… there are a lot of cards that refer to charge counters on other cards, and those cards usually interact with how many times or how quickly the charge counter ability is able to be used. If you think of charge counters like charges on magic items in d&d, it makes sense that something being able to recharge a magic tool’s energy should be universally able to do so (with some exceptions). Brick counters from amonkhet, for example, are a great flavor win with them representing the building or destroying of literal buildings and the gain or loss of their effects, but when the building is completed or demolished the artifact card is still on the field. The brick counters in this case represent the buildup or depletion of the special ability of the card/building. As in it’s charging up or losing charge.
« But it is cum » 😂
Pleasant Kenobi, get out of Spice’s body!
NOT to be taken out of context 😂😂
This is an over 40 minute long video where an adult talks about a non-issue in a child’s card game, based off of another adult singing about said card game to the tune of a song from a cartoon older than Minecraft.
Another beautifully executed video. Cheers!
The “hoof print” counter looks like a bear pride logo.
I also learned “sylvan” from magic, the game is great at teaching new words like that
"When the opponent plays island, taps, cast Aether Vial. What does that make you feel?" Oh hi Professor! Nice to meat you U:
SNC update: Shield counters are now a thing with a mechanical purpose and palliation accord now uses palliation counters
fun fact: the reason that MTGO uses the "paw" shape counter for hoofprint counters is that there was a limited budget available to make counters, and there was one made that had to cover all animal-type things. it's not the goofiest association in the game, but even so, given the options that were available when making that decision, I maintain it's the correct choice.
How much money does it take to make a counter on MTGO?
8:32 that little blip hurt my heart and almost made me cry :( Such a sweet message tucked away
Spice is a Pop Team Epic fan - I knew you were a quality chap.
Ooh, another obscure card list breakdown video. I can't wait to find out which counter is his best friend.
I'm a simple man. I see a Spice 8Rack video. I watch it through to the end, like and comment.
Spice’s descent into madness becomes more and more apparent in each new video.
Ever since his “Cats” movie review, his sanity has never been the same…
Spice, I'd love to play EDH with you, you absolute madlad.
Wholesome ending to the video. Happy Dad, happy Lad.
I haven't even finished watching the ad and I gave this a thumbs up
Bless you!
Never questioned the wands because I was so used to them having spell charges.
But if we swap all of these my charge counter matter deck falls appart.
Gremlin mine, with its new spice text, would be hella useful nowadays.
Thumbs up for the hoofprint counters.
That Forge of Darkness in the background though.
I love me some Erikson. The Karkanas books must have been in your wheelhouse being a poet yourself.
Imagine if Blind Gallan popped up in a video to comment on the state of mtg
This video is also absolutely fabolous!
14:45 This just isn't true. Blast Zone specifically represents when Bolas' Planar Bridge opened and blew up the Chamber of the Guildpact. It wasn't any kind of barrage by someone that was aiming at the building from outside.
37:14 My name is Graeme and I was thinking that. I am deeply sorry for ever questioning you Papa Spice, won't happen again
you CANNOT put a clip from "a crow looked at me" without warning like that. my heart just dropped a thousand miles (kilometers?) once it figured out what was playing.
Gotta say that Spice's beard is looking extra dashing lately.
omg I thought that was a random clip of a movie, not your actual dad. Amazing.
For the wand variant i think charge is flavorful enough. Since those wand has limited charge before running out so you need to add it back or it is the throwable type and cant be recharge.
I see charge counters on magic items like the magistrates scepter and the wands to harken back to D&D and how all magic items also use charges. So I feel like those are fine. But yeah, charge counters on some of these definitely need rewording
one of your best videos, and that's a high bar!
edit: I miss purple monkey already
Alright my vorel charge counters deck needs you to stop right there. How am I supposed to use surge node to take more turns than is ethically acceptable with magistrate's scepter otherwise?
as someone who runs a scarab god charge counters deck with mainly artifacts this is a beautiful video ( :
Why do your videos take so much time to make?
(hope you enjoy your day off!!)
I completely guessed wrong about what this video was gonna be.
I thought it was gonna be like an insightful engineering thing, since all counters generally work the same way but to more easily keep track of multiple different counters.
Bring Purple Monkey back this INSTANT
Gremlin Mine coming in clutch against the Brokers in New Capenna
I can't believe wizards STILL hasn't hired you to fix their counter problem.
Woooooooo new video! Nice 👍
I rewatched the others in the meantime. It’s a real delight!
I love when you see a card and you think to yourself "hey, it's a good card, let's buy it !"
Loved the bit with your dad at the end
better fix: just make them all energy counters.
For everflowing chalice, the card gives you back a reward proportional to your initial investment.
I think this is flavorful of a chalice which accepts whatever liquid you have and then only gives you that one liquid. So the stronger your initial potion the stronger the output.
I haven't gone through all the counter names, but something like brew or potency?
Amazing vid!
I feel the need to make a commander deck with Charge counters tribal just cause.