Everything I've learned myself exploring different grip sizes plus my own tennis background playing with much larger grips is that larger grips allow you to hold the grip lighter so your wrist & arm muscles will be more relaxed and are able to fire faster - so while you may think you aren't swinging faster, a larger grip, with relaxed forearms is able to produce more speed.
@@Momo_8k There was a crossover point mechanically for me where too big & I could not apply enough grip pressure - I would notice this crossover circumference while serving & not on my forehand or 1-hand backhand where I actually preferred using as large a grip as possible. I also didn't mind it on my 2nd serve where I was a very heavy spinner of the ball - it was really just a 1st serve power thing when I wanted to hit it nearly flat & as fast as possible that I could feel in my contorted wrist angle that too big was too big
you know I'm a former tennis player and have bought used clubs with bigger grips and I have hit them more consistently....mind blown. All of that makes so much sense.
This is probably specific to the certain sports. In biomechanics, there's a principle of Active Insufficiency: get a muscle busy doing one thing and it can't do another. In weight training there is an equation to figure out for every bit of grip thickness, how much heavier the weight will feel. With golf, I think the principle applies when it comes to the traditional thinking: thicker grips quiet the wrists. As the video shows, it's not always cut and dry.
Two other points at play here: playing an incorrectly sized grip is a risk factor for medial epicondylitis ("golfer's elbow") which may take a few weeks to develop depending on how much one plays. Six-to-8 weeks recovery time is not unusual for this tendinitis. The other factor regarding grip pressure, there are well know tables in the ergonomic and biomechanic literature that illustrate the effect of the diameter of the object being gripped vs the maximum grip force the can be applied, the Maximum Voluntary Contraction (MVC). Golf grips are very small relative to the size for maximum MVC, but you wouldn't want to play with that sized grip (Apprx. 3.7cm) because releasing the club would be more than difficult. Golf grips are "inefficient" in this regard but reinforces your point that applying maximum grip pressure is NOT what you want to do. A test with non-taper grips would be intriguing. I have played mid-sized non-taper grips for quite some time to mitigate medial epicondylitis.
Physical therapist and trainer here. Always been interested in this issue…Comparing percentages of grip pressure between pros and amateurs is only valuable if you know what the max grip pressure is for each individual. For example a pro with a max grip pressure measured at 50kg gripping it at 55% when hitting golf shots is applying 27.5kg of pressure. But if the amateurs max measured grip pressure is 30kg then that same 27.5kg is actually 91% of their max pressure. It’s also true that all individuals can apply more grip pressure when their joints are positioned in a mid range vs. all the way closed or all the way open. Have always felt like you just can’t afford to lose grip pressure/energy transfer between the hands and the club. Would definitely err on the side of bigger grips for this reason and I think the stark difference in club head speed in this test shows this. Great video.
I’m age 69, 70 in 12/23. Hcp 6.2. Arthritis in my hands has become a major issue in my golf game. The inability to fully close the hands makes a larger grip essential. In addition to using some mid-size grips, I have experimented with using tennis wraps like tourna-grip or Gamma wraps on my standard grips with some success. I have become aware of the swing weight issue in larger or heavier grips. A lot to unpack. Thx for the video!
Would be really interested to see you do a retro fit. Someone who can’t afford or doesn’t want to buy all new clubs, but wants to dial in their current set with correct grip size, lie angles tweaks, loft adjustments, new driver shaft, etc.
One thing I’ve found with Retro fits is what happens when the club heads you have are wrong. Or the cost of reshafting irons outweighs the cost or value of the clubs themselves. Small tweaks like loft and lie are inexpensive but reshafting a set of old irons most times isn’t worth the price you end up paying. Likewise if you have a driver head which isn’t suited for you, you’re putting money into the wrong thing.
Definitely agree that reshafting old irons wouldn’t be worth the cost. However, I do think there’s value in looking at a new driver shaft and/or adjusting the loft. I started out with a 10.5 degree driver lofted up to 11 in a stock regular shaft. As I started to increase my swing speed I moved to a stiffer, more stable shaft and lowered the loft. It really helped tighten up my dispersion, get my launch in the right window, and added some distance.
I think reshafting old heads is totally worth it if you love the heads and they fit you well. Golf clubs definitely DEFINITELY are not an investment so do what you want to play better.
I went from Midsize with chronic deathgrip issues to jumbomaxes ultralites, and I'll never go back. Feels so much better, changed my strike location for some reason, helps with blisters, sore fingers, I no longer wear gloves etc. Downsides, I can't hold a standard grip to save my life. And they're expensive and hard to find in Canada.
I switched to the Bryson JumboMax light grips when hand surgery made standard grips excruciating, and also began holding the club baseball style. So comfortable and confidence inspiring, and I've stopped wearing a glove. Didn't see any effect on ball path except my ball now goes a lot longer.
I switched when I had Radial Tunnel issues. Helped a lot. Once that got sorted out, I moved back to smaller grips. (Small of the jumbo max then now jumbo sized) I keep delivering the face closed and feel like it's the grips... maybe it's just me being terrible 😂
Recently went to Dri-Tac Midsized grips with 4 wraps because I have larger hands and I found with standard sized grips, my finger tips would dig into my palms. My irons just feel solid in my hands now so I plan to have the same done to my wedges and woods sometime this year.
I went up to mid size grips end of last season and liked what i was seeing so when I bought my new irons at the end of the year last year I fit mid size grips on them, I found I instantly had a lighter grip when i went up in size. I felt less likely to be choking the crap out the club and therefore I have been hitting straighter more consistently. I went bigger because of age and my arthritic hands and was told it would help, and boy it did.
I always had mid sized grips due to having larger hands but I recently switched over to Jumbo Max STR8 Tech (Medium) and my wrists feel much better. Def loving bigger grips, spendy but well worth it imo
Over the years I have migrated from standard to midsize Grips and for the last 3 years, I have been using the JumboMax XL on all my clubs and totally LOVE them. My original motivation was arthritis in my fingers which got so bad that I was on the verge of quitting golf, now with the JumboMax XL Grips I can play totally pain-free with the added bonus that I can hit the Ball harder, so my yardages have improved as has my dispersion
I have recently switched to all midsize dritac grips. It’s made a massive difference for me, I have otherwise always struggled with feeling like I have to over grip the club. Something about even a larger tour velvet material grip makes me mentally feel like I have to choke the club too hard in order to have decent grip on the club. It has definitely freed up speed and consistency for me!
Perfect. Tim recommended reduced taper grip due to closure rate in my fitting. MCC+4 2 wraps on all my clubs now. Worth the time and investment. Nice job, guys. Thanks!
I've played standard size tour velvet for 30 years. 6 months ago I demoed a 3 wood with midsize Golf Pride CP2 Pro wrap. Epiphany: I used less hand squeeze that relaxed my swing. I put the midsize CP2 on all my clubs. Hasn't lowered my handicap, but my arthritic fingers hurt less after 18 holes.
just regripped all mine with TV +4 midsize with extra layer of tape at bottom to reduce taper even more. So comfortable and really feel better control and able to put power through the club. Wish I'd done it 20 years ago
Fascinating stuff as always. I wear a small glove but recently went to midsize grips as they just felt better and improved my average strike. This has given me a little insight into why that might be the case 👍🏽
I'm going into the Club Champion in Ft. Myers, FL for a fitting this Saturday, and this is the first thing I want to address.. Not only for getting the right sized grip for me, but also I anticipate the weight of a larger grip will have an impact on the rest of my fitting process from a swingweight/shaft weight perspective.
hate going to a demo day etc, and all they have is standard size grips, I'm 6 3" and wear xxl gloves, standard size grips feel like toothpicks in my hands when I swing.
I recently upgraded my irons to a combo set of Taylormade P790s (6, 7 & 8) which I play as my 5, 6 & 7 irons and P7MCs in 8, 9 & PW. I went with the Golf Pride Z Grip 360 with 3 wraps on the bottom hand and 1 wrap on the top. I had always played standard grips but found that with the gentler taper, due to the extra bottom hand wraps, that I have more control and that I am not gripping quite as tight as I did with standard grips. It also feels more natural choking down the grip when not playing full shots.
First thing I do when I buy a club is tear off the grip and put on a Tour Velvet midsize grip. I hit standard size just fine but midsize is just more comfortable.
Maybe next time you could use the Dri-Tac Winn grips. They are all 50 grams, from standard to oversize. That way the results aren't scewed by swing weight
I changed regular Lamkin to Mid size Golf Pride TV in my 3 iron because it just wasn't comfortable and it took away my left miss. Now I understand why. Getting the others changed now. Looking forward to more head speed in all the others!
I always had a problem with standard grips because I grew up playing with them and as I got older I had to squeeze the grips tighter and tighter for it to feel secure and it's created bad habits in my swing and grip pressure. A bigger grip has 100% helped me stay more loose while feeling like I have control.
Last year in a charity tournmament I was partnered with someone who had the almost exact same driver as I had but with a Jumbomax grip (medium size) on their driver. I hit it so much better then my driver I changed almost imediately. I have had so much more control since I made the change. I'm a smaller fella and I used to play undersized grips feeling they fit my hand "better" but as I've played around more I find that I kinda like larger grips. I usually regrip my own sticks and I think next time I regrip I'm gonna go midsize or maybe even jumbo just for funzies. Anyway, love your channel and I love the way you all present your info. Happy Wednesday.
So glad to see this concept covered, well done guys and thank you. This video gave me validation to something that I discovered experimenting. I struggled with trying to find the most comfortable grip till I tried a mid-sized grip and found for me that I was able to use less grip pressure during my swing. Then I kept trying to find a style that was most comfortable in the mid-size and settled on the Golf Pride Tour Velvet Mid until my last club fitting and with a suggestion from a fitter I ended up really liking the Golf Pride CP2 Wrap. Best, funny and sad part is I never tried a wrap just cause I did not really like the wrap look and yet it has become the most comfortable. You all gave a great idea to let a fitter experiment during a fitting to in reality be fitted for grips. Something that most won't think about and as small as it seems, the right grip can play a big influence in how we perform in our swings.
I've played with many grips of different weights and sizes. I have longer fingers, and always felt uncomfortable until I finally went to very large grips. It also helps a ton to remove shape from my longer clubs.
Funny, just started to mess around with grip size before getting my new set of clubs (old Ping i15's w/ Standard grips). I've got decently large hands & I def get some harsh left shots when I know my grip gets too firm or I turn it over too much. I bought a Tour Velvet +4 Midsize for a wedge & it feels a lot better to control! I really feel my body controlling path a lot more, since my hands feel a lot more quiet with a Midsize. Excited to get some for my new set!
I picked up used clubs with undersized grips. Got five wraps of tape under them and they feel more like midsize grips. Now I can swing more freely without thinking about pulls that I used to get with the without the wraps.
Wear a medium glove & just made the switch to midsize last season. Bought a used wedge set that had midsize on them and liked them so much I regripped my irons to match. Easy switch, more comfortable and I definitely use less pressure now. Anybody on the fence should try them. Just start with a 7 or 8 iron. Cheap experiment.
Be conscious of the weight of the grips as they have a considerable effect on swing weight and balance of the club. Especially if you are moving to an oversize grip. I made the mistake of installing the lamkin crossline oversize, a very popular grip, great look and feel but didn't realize it weighs 75g. I lost 3 swing-weight points. The only JUMBO i have found that is in the same weight ballpark as a standard or mid size grip and not "jumbo max or winn brand" is the golf pride tour velvet.
I played Winn jumbo for a couple years. Half way through last year I switched to the JumboMax xSmall (still large +3/16”)ST8Tech ultralight. For me I like the light grip pressure while easily hanging onto the club. I hit the ball pretty straight with them as well. I started with my driver and 3 wedges(swing weight D4). I liked them enough to swap out the rest of my bag.
I recently had the same dilemma. I wear a large glove and I've played, at least 2 years, with 4 layers +mid size grip. From a comfort perspective, it felt good as I thought that I had the club secured in my hands. Over the years, as I got a little better, I started to roll my wrist as I intuitively felt like the face was open. This led to very inconsistent strike patterns which weren't so good for my game. I recently returned back to 2 layers + mid size. I noticed that I had a tighter dispersion (especially with my irons) which was a function of better contact and feel. The driver on the other hand is a bit iffy. I guess I need to get used to it 😅
I think it’s great you guys revisited this topic. As a follow on, I would love to see comparisons between reduced taper and standard taper grips. Also I’d like to see what impact to swing weight has in changing grip sizes for the average golfer. I’ve always played standard grips until I discovered my hand/glove size suggests I need to go into a midsize grip. I swapped out grips but didn’t realize how much weight to the grip end of the club that change made to the overall swing weight. I’m not a robot so I can’t say for certain if that had any impact to my swing, but to remove that ‘variable’, I moved back to a standard grip (+4) with +2 wraps to give me more of tweener grip size and maintain the relatively same swingweight with std grip.
This jives with the idea of using larger grips for putting. Theoretically, smaller grips require more grip pressure, larger grips require less grip pressure. Cool to see that translate to irons. I find this also to be true because when I'm not playing well, I get tense and tighten my grip more and tend to hook the ball more. Closing the face too fast due to increased grip pressure. Great video.
I’m going to be signing up for a fitting this fall with you guys, and grip size is one of those things I want to explore more (always been a std MCC guy). This video was super timely and can’t wait to try out the options!
Always messing around with different size grips mainly on my woods and wedges. Little hack I learnt was to use you car tyre pump if you have one and a ball inflation needle to blow them on and off. Got plenty of funny looks in the driving range carpark doing it.
Loved it guys! Well done. Biggest take away is grip pressure. I think it's why the less tapered grips are out there more now. Definitely information I'll use with golfers when they come to see me. Grips are my thing! My little niche out here in YYC!
I have a fairly small hand but I use midsize grips , standard size is a tad to small for my liking, I feel like I grip to tight because there is just not enough for me to feel comfortable, never really thought how this would affect my strike
I play Jumbo Max Lite on my driver and fairways and Tour Velvet midsize on my other clubs. The Jumbo Max lite do not change swing weight as much. There is a great video of Retief Goosen discussing how the size and weight of a grip affect the timing of his swing. He plays Jumbo Max and has some very informative comments.
On my drivers I have played a mid-sized minimum taper grip for several years, and a nice fade was the normal. In the middle of last year I tried a jumbo grip on my backup driver and that was nothing but hook, pull hooks and duck hooks, , and was cut off in no time and back to my normal grip, take from that what you want.
You guys hit on it but held off making an absolute confirmation. Its all about grip pressure and the less the better basically. In my view, there is no question that larger grips tend to encourage a lighter hold because we feel like the club is under control. Soooo, we should find the grip size that lets us grip the club "properly" so that the swing is unhindered by grip pressure. I have small hands and a standard grip is not as comfortable as a midsize. All my clubs have midsize grips but now I think I'll dig a little further - maybe not up to the Jumbo size but maybe more underlying tape....... PS: Very good work.
I played CP2 Wrap Midsize grips on all 13 grips for a year and after my fitting hitting Standard grips the whole time and then going back to the Midsize they felt super mushy. I moved into Lamkin Sonar+ Standard grips and they feel great in my irons, I've bought the rest of the set, excited to get everything regripped!
I’m a big body rotator and the hands don’t keep up so add tons of dynamic loft by keeping the face too open. Went from standard to undersize and compression and strike were amazing. Changed my game, to low single digit.
Having some trigger finger issues and arthritis going on, I've recently went from midsize to oversize in my irons, WINN DRI-TAC LITE oversize. Like the feel with oversize, makes me have less grip pressure
Great video! This is just what I needed! I am a lefty but have a permanent disability with my left hand and don’t have the grip strength anymore. I am considering the mcc plus 4 standard or midsize to help. I hope Dicks can fit me properly since I am not near TXG!
Great video, I use Lamkin Oversized grips. I find them the most comfortable for me, with 2 full wraps. It makes a big difference for me in terms of releasing the club head. When I try my friends clubs with smaller grips, it does not feel comfortable,and I do not feel like I have the same control over the club head.
Good video as always. There's definitely more to it than just the conventional wisdom of "smaller grip is easier to turn over". I recently switched from midsize to jumbomax on my driver and it helped turn my slice into a baby fade, which is opposite of the conventional wisdom. I'm not swinging the club any different on purpose but I do feel more comfortable with the jumbomax which may lead me to subconsciously swing the club a little different. Next up I may try a jumbomax on my fairway woods. Irons and wedges are probably staying with midsize though.
Had a lot of experience with grips in my short time in golf. Experimented with standard, adding wraps, using a +4, a midsize, and an oversize grip. Ended up with the Jumbomax UltraLite M's. I have a lot of control of the face rotation, I'm able to put less pressure on the grip since I'm putting the grip on my palm now opposed to my fingers, which also distributes for force around the hands and I'm able to swing it faster. There are cons to newer players that I did see, e.g it seems like if you don't have enough body rotation its basically just going to be a shank, which might also be a good thing since it forces you to turn your body. A big part for me is that I was always injuring my wrist, forearm and back when i used a standard grip. Ever since I've changed to jumbomaxs all of those seem to go away, and im nearing to around a year now with these grips. I see a lot of people trying bigger grips for a couple of days and switching back to std when they say it doesnt work for them, well honestly it takes a long time to get used to (atleast for me). It took me around a month of constantly going to the range and practicing. Would like to hear stories about other people as well and their experiences with grips
Hand size (especially finger length) is a key consideration in this for me. If a grip is too large (at least for me), it’s harder to keep a strong grip “in the fingers” of of my left hand
I've got small hands and have always played standard sized grips - only because thats what I "thought" I was supposed to play as someone who wears a size S glove. Over the winter, I have been working on loosing my over hook and am using mid sized grips to help reduce grip pressure and to help with better face control. Maybe its a placebo effect but I do feel that the larger (mid sized MCC+4) grip has helped me grip it softer which in turn keeps my once over flippy hands a bit quieter. Win.
I switched to arthritic grips (72 to 75 grams, like a Jumbo) last year; needed to. As you mentioned less grip pressure and better ball striking. I utilized my large muscles and put less stress on my hands. Very good for me - 70 years old.
Top tier as always fellas. Regarding comment on the grip pressure differences between tour pros and amatuers, I heard the other day about a study on this, and although the pro will be gripping considerably "lighter" (50% compared to 70%) than an amatuer, their 50% is creating more pressure than an amatuers 70%, due to superior grip strength, whilst maintaining a more relaxed feeling grip.
Oh my god. So I picked up a set of use MP-20 irons and they had standard GP TV on them. My wedges have standard MCC, and I tried the grip pressure test, and with the standard TV, the toe turned in, but with the MCC it didn't. Both standard size. I'm heading to get MCC put on my irons lol - Amazing.
Loved this! My only issue I've ever had with grips is being shorter at 5'8 ish with a short palm and long fingers is swing weights with midsized grips. They can be quite heavy and really mess with how much awareness I have with the head. Winn grips being lite are neat but they dont handle high speed very well and twist unlike a good rubber grip. Going to experiment with a smaller jumbomax soon to see if they twist or shift during the swing.
great content guys, love these test videos!! this is why I have a huge problem with fittings in my area, I play cp2 pro jumbo grips and everywhere that offers fittings don't change grips, so using a standard size is just uncomfortable and I don't get the most out of it. wish more places would consider changing grips for different people, especially when a person wears an xl-xxl glove!
Last year I switched to CP2 jumbo grips from golf pride. It definitely eased my grip pressure and alleviated pain in my forearms. The other thing I noticed is it made my club heads feel much lighter. I liked the lighter feel but on the flip side it was harder to feel my clubhead position.
Interesting one. My hands are "low volume" or "piano fingers". That is to say "XL" glove for correct length but just "ML" palm and finger diameter. Gloves and grips are just pure confounding me. I have built up some different grips and found it really interesting... but not yet definitive, except if I play standard size I get cramps in hands during a range session while midsize or larger is fine. Also the adaption I had to make between Tour Velvet midsize and midsize MCC+4 was surprisingly large.
I use lamkin midsize +1tape in 3-9 and jumbo with 1tape in my wedges and woods( inc driver) i found its straightend my wood shots nicely and gave me better feel and consistency with my wedges, especially around the greens.. my irons are good with the midsize but Im tempted to go jumbo in my irons aswell. Gonna try it on my 3 iron first as i do tend to over draw that a bit and see how it goes.
Just in time for the re-grip event at GT, my current grips are quite worn down and was going to just grab a standard black full-cord replacement based on the feel in store itself, but maybe they've got some demo clubs with different grip sizes that I could try out to see if anything different feels better or worse
Not a huge handed guy, and yes I find smaller grips easier to turn on a draw. However my “Older Arthritic” type fingers and hands prefer the midsize comfort. Just have to ensure release is correct.
Really enjoy the experimental videos like this. Can be hard to tell if a factor impacts your game as a player or if you’re getting too deep in the weeds. Much appreciated guys
Great video. What is the impact of the SW changing with the different grips? The oversize grip produced a C7.7 SW and the undersize a D3.5. That is a big variance. Would you consider another test wherein for each grip the SW was adjusted to Matt's preferred SW. Assuming his preferred iron SW is D2, how would the jumbo grip perform at D2 vs C7.7?
Have you tried different grip sizes with matching swing weight to decipher if the differences seen are more about (grip or grip pressure) or the swing weight which seemed to be pretty substantial???
I was grip fitted for my last Irons and they where a joy to play. When fitted for my current Irons there wasn't time to fit the grips so I got them with the original standard size grips, and as you say I grip them hard, so much so I got sore hands and elbows. I was originally fitted for 2 extra layers of grip tape, and the difference over the whole season is massive. Bad dispersion and pain in my hands and arms. My best round this year was in heavy rain in cold weather when I had thick gloves on, everything worked because I had a firm and relaxed grip of my clubs. Next day in dry weather with my standard glove I hit all over the place again clamping down on the grips. Grip size really matter, and my conclusion is that a big grip is better than a small one because you become more relaxed in your hands, wrists and arms when you have larger diameter grips. Just for the reason of ergonomics you should really use a big grip.
I wish they made softer Grips. I know you are not supposed to do a death grip when hitting. but think it would help with feeling more secure swinging club.
Fun fact for everyone, if you do 4 extra grip wraps on a standard tour velvet golf pride grip, it will equate to the same size as a midsize grip. So plus 4 grip’s essentially have a midsize bottom half for anyone who is kind of in between standard and mid size in that grip
Just got a few mcc plus 4 aligns to try out since I didn’t wanna try a midsize right away. Pulled a bunch of scoring clubs last year and was wondering if grip size could be a factor in that
@@robertcrowe7036 did you read my whole comment or were you too geriatric for that? The main point was that if you’re in between grip sizes the +4 grips from golf pride are a good option
@nicholasphi6616 I fully understood your comment, and it's a really good one. You didn't specify if the tape were just placed under the bottom hand or both. If both, my comment is also correct. You will be my age one day. When that happens, I hope the younger generation is more respectful to you. No harm. I've been called worse.
Would love to see what the difference of a MCC plus4 grip vs a regular taper MCC to see the difference on swing performance. Supposedly the plus 4 is supposed to have more power and less tension.
I’ve always used standard and I have big feet and big hands and last year I was pulling scoring clubs so I got a few mcc plus 4’s to try out on a few scoring clubs. Try those b4 going midsize.
I've always stuck to standard size grips with one wrap. Last year I switched it up on my wedges and went with a midsize grip and 3 wraps. I have a bad habit of being too handsy with my wedges and I found it really helped me. Feels much more stable in the hands, I think being a hockey player may have something to do with it. Going to try out midsize on a wood or two, see how I like it. An interesting topic for sure.
Litrally just put lamkin undersize on my clubs to test... I've tried mid and jumbo. Over standard, M size glove. Like the feel of the bigger grip to hold but just loose the clubhead feel and start to come steep and over the top with it, with slappy toe shots. Undersize does strangly feel quite nice as it's easy to get into the fingers... Swingweight should go from d2 to d3 for my clubs and I can definitely feel it a bit more when I give it a waggle...
That's fascinating about the grip pressure. I always feel my poor rounds come from tension and I never even thought of pressure closing the face (tried thr parallel club and sure as s**t... Is closes)
Recently watched another of your videos about this same test. I was excited after watching that one because the smaller the grip the more right it was (left handed tester). This video didn't really see that same pattern. Ordered a midsize grip to see if it tames down my draw. I was anticipating delivery based on your other video. After watching this, I'm not as optimistic. Will test with fingers crossed.
Playing +4 TVelvet with 2 wraps. Interesting regarding maintaining the same grip pressure with a larger dia size. For some reason I do like the feel of a jumbo even though it feels way to large
Great video as always, guys!! I've been playing standard-sized grips ever since I started playing 20 years ago, but this has made me wonder if perhaps I would see different results trying a midsize grip. I never even considered trying anything else because standard has always felt fine to me. Trying out a midsize grip is something I will look into experimenting with.
Hi Guys! I wish you would test the Jumbomax grips. I use the jumbomax tour series small grips. I don't tend to grip as hard on the club and I'm getting somewhere between 5 to 10 yards more because my hands are not as tight. Great video as always! Keep it up! Mark
Good info… grip pressure makes total sense. Hogan grip it like your holding a baby bird… but if having to control the face more say out of heavy rough your grip pressure would change. I’ve noticed that as my grip is lighter I turn it over more. So if a jumbo grip maintains light grip pressure could I be increasing flash speed at the bottom?
After much experimentation, I decided that the JumboMax grip provides maximum stability and control. Undersized and standard grip introduces way to much club head variation due to increased grip pressure required. Now that I’ve settled on the grip size, I am experimenting with non-tapered grips. My bag is sort of a mess with different sizes and shapes, but I will get fine tuned soon. I recently regrouped 4 clubs with non-tapered mid-sized grips and it feels strange with smaller grips, but I’m getting good results with wedges. With the hybrid, I m leaving some shots off the the right and shorter. So, for me, jumbo XL grips get the best results. Tapered vs non-tapered is still a question mark.
I have MCC+4 Standard + 1 layer. That extra layer means my hands don't get as tired in a long session, but I don't feel directly. OTOH, my last second hand clubs were supplied with standard grips. I felt I could not swing "relaxed", and I got more shots left open or snapped. My torque control is better.
I have really big hands and a good size slice. So I've been worried about trying larger grips because of the greater probability of having the face opened more. But the way you present this in relation to grip strength has me wanting to try some bigger grips.
I'm similar, I just can't use larger grips. I'm able to control my shot trajectory with standard grips & never have to worry about slicing my Driver. But with bigger grips, half my shots are a damn slice, and I have absolutely no control over the ball flight with my irons. I'll choose dispersion over comfort😂
Yes! When I ordered my clubs in 2021, the grips I wanted weren’t available. They couldn’t get the +4 midsize. Fast forward to literally last week, I haven’t played consistently well with my longer irons. Played one round this past week with new grip size and it was night and day! No longer am I apprehensive with my 4,5,6 irons over water etc because now I can swing more freely.
Everything I've learned myself exploring different grip sizes plus my own tennis background playing with much larger grips is that larger grips allow you to hold the grip lighter so your wrist & arm muscles will be more relaxed and are able to fire faster - so while you may think you aren't swinging faster, a larger grip, with relaxed forearms is able to produce more speed.
Same for me as an ex tennis player. Went to bigger grips and get way more control, speed and feel with my golf game.
Did you guys find any downsides going with larger tennis grips in terms of the serve, or being able to whip through your groundstrokes?
@@Momo_8k There was a crossover point mechanically for me where too big & I could not apply enough grip pressure - I would notice this crossover circumference while serving & not on my forehand or 1-hand backhand where I actually preferred using as large a grip as possible. I also didn't mind it on my 2nd serve where I was a very heavy spinner of the ball - it was really just a 1st serve power thing when I wanted to hit it nearly flat & as fast as possible that I could feel in my contorted wrist angle that too big was too big
you know I'm a former tennis player and have bought used clubs with bigger grips and I have hit them more consistently....mind blown. All of that makes so much sense.
This is probably specific to the certain sports. In biomechanics, there's a principle of Active Insufficiency: get a muscle busy doing one thing and it can't do another.
In weight training there is an equation to figure out for every bit of grip thickness, how much heavier the weight will feel.
With golf, I think the principle applies when it comes to the traditional thinking: thicker grips quiet the wrists.
As the video shows, it's not always cut and dry.
Two other points at play here: playing an incorrectly sized grip is a risk factor for medial epicondylitis ("golfer's elbow") which may take a few weeks to develop depending on how much one plays. Six-to-8 weeks recovery time is not unusual for this tendinitis. The other factor regarding grip pressure, there are well know tables in the ergonomic and biomechanic literature that illustrate the effect of the diameter of the object being gripped vs the maximum grip force the can be applied, the Maximum Voluntary Contraction (MVC). Golf grips are very small relative to the size for maximum MVC, but you wouldn't want to play with that sized grip (Apprx. 3.7cm) because releasing the club would be more than difficult. Golf grips are "inefficient" in this regard but reinforces your point that applying maximum grip pressure is NOT what you want to do. A test with non-taper grips would be intriguing. I have played mid-sized non-taper grips for quite some time to mitigate medial epicondylitis.
Physical therapist and trainer here. Always been interested in this issue…Comparing percentages of grip pressure between pros and amateurs is only valuable if you know what the max grip pressure is for each individual. For example a pro with a max grip pressure measured at 50kg gripping it at 55% when hitting golf shots is applying 27.5kg of pressure. But if the amateurs max measured grip pressure is 30kg then that same 27.5kg is actually 91% of their max pressure. It’s also true that all individuals can apply more grip pressure when their joints are positioned in a mid range vs. all the way closed or all the way open. Have always felt like you just can’t afford to lose grip pressure/energy transfer between the hands and the club. Would definitely err on the side of bigger grips for this reason and I think the stark difference in club head speed in this test shows this. Great video.
I’m age 69, 70 in 12/23. Hcp 6.2. Arthritis in my hands has become a major issue in my golf game. The inability to fully close the hands makes a larger grip essential. In addition to using some mid-size grips, I have experimented with using tennis wraps like tourna-grip or Gamma wraps on my standard grips with some success. I have become aware of the swing weight issue in larger or heavier grips. A lot to unpack. Thx for the video!
Would be really interested to see you do a retro fit. Someone who can’t afford or doesn’t want to buy all new clubs, but wants to dial in their current set with correct grip size, lie angles tweaks, loft adjustments, new driver shaft, etc.
One thing I’ve found with Retro fits is what happens when the club heads you have are wrong. Or the cost of reshafting irons outweighs the cost or value of the clubs themselves. Small tweaks like loft and lie are inexpensive but reshafting a set of old irons most times isn’t worth the price you end up paying. Likewise if you have a driver head which isn’t suited for you, you’re putting money into the wrong thing.
Definitely agree that reshafting old irons wouldn’t be worth the cost. However, I do think there’s value in looking at a new driver shaft and/or adjusting the loft. I started out with a 10.5 degree driver lofted up to 11 in a stock regular shaft. As I started to increase my swing speed I moved to a stiffer, more stable shaft and lowered the loft. It really helped tighten up my dispersion, get my launch in the right window, and added some distance.
I think reshafting old heads is totally worth it if you love the heads and they fit you well. Golf clubs definitely DEFINITELY are not an investment so do what you want to play better.
Would be really interesting to see a standard vs reduced taper standard like a tour velvet +4 as well
Yes, I went reduced taper and will never go back.
I went from Midsize with chronic deathgrip issues to jumbomaxes ultralites, and I'll never go back. Feels so much better, changed my strike location for some reason, helps with blisters, sore fingers, I no longer wear gloves etc. Downsides, I can't hold a standard grip to save my life. And they're expensive and hard to find in Canada.
i don't have large hands but standard sized grips always felt too thin for me. I'll be trying a midsize grip now.
I switched to the Bryson JumboMax light grips when hand surgery made standard grips excruciating, and also began holding the club baseball style. So comfortable and confidence inspiring, and I've stopped wearing a glove. Didn't see any effect on ball path except my ball now goes a lot longer.
I switched when I had Radial Tunnel issues.
Helped a lot.
Once that got sorted out, I moved back to smaller grips. (Small of the jumbo max then now jumbo sized)
I keep delivering the face closed and feel like it's the grips... maybe it's just me being terrible 😂
I switched to a 10 finger grip too last year after 20 years. Way more consistent strike and goes a bit longer. Also feels better to me .
@@nathanmichaels3125OLD Ball player ,switched to baseball grip just this March after 23 Years interlock and oh my ,Draw the Ball and playing Real Good
Recently went to Dri-Tac Midsized grips with 4 wraps because I have larger hands and I found with standard sized grips, my finger tips would dig into my palms. My irons just feel solid in my hands now so I plan to have the same done to my wedges and woods sometime this year.
I went up to mid size grips end of last season and liked what i was seeing so when I bought my new irons at the end of the year last year I fit mid size grips on them, I found I instantly had a lighter grip when i went up in size. I felt less likely to be choking the crap out the club and therefore I have been hitting straighter more consistently. I went bigger because of age and my arthritic hands and was told it would help, and boy it did.
I always had mid sized grips due to having larger hands but I recently switched over to Jumbo Max STR8 Tech (Medium) and my wrists feel much better. Def loving bigger grips, spendy but well worth it imo
Over the years I have migrated from standard to midsize Grips and for the last 3 years, I have been using the JumboMax XL on all my clubs and totally LOVE them.
My original motivation was arthritis in my fingers which got so bad that I was on the verge of quitting golf, now with the JumboMax XL Grips I can play totally pain-free with the added bonus that I can hit the Ball harder, so my yardages have improved as has my dispersion
I play a Finau inspired setup, lamkin UTX midsize with two extra total wraps and four extra on right hand. Love the feel and face control.
finau’s got a crazy 14 wraps for his grip
Can't wait until Lamkin drops the UTX greens this year.
I have recently switched to all midsize dritac grips. It’s made a massive difference for me, I have otherwise always struggled with feeling like I have to over grip the club. Something about even a larger tour velvet material grip makes me mentally feel like I have to choke the club too hard in order to have decent grip on the club. It has definitely freed up speed and consistency for me!
Love it guys 🔥🔥🔥
Need to do a putter grip video...
Skinny vs fat
Straight vs pistol
For both arc and straight swings 👍👍
Hello Dean
Perfect. Tim recommended reduced taper grip due to closure rate in my fitting. MCC+4 2 wraps on all my clubs now. Worth the time and investment. Nice job, guys. Thanks!
I've played standard size tour velvet for 30 years. 6 months ago I demoed a 3 wood with midsize Golf Pride CP2 Pro wrap. Epiphany: I used less hand squeeze that relaxed my swing. I put the midsize CP2 on all my clubs. Hasn't lowered my handicap, but my arthritic fingers hurt less after 18 holes.
just regripped all mine with TV +4 midsize with extra layer of tape at bottom to reduce taper even more. So comfortable and really feel better control and able to put power through the club. Wish I'd done it 20 years ago
Fascinating stuff as always. I wear a small glove but recently went to midsize grips as they just felt better and improved my average strike. This has given me a little insight into why that might be the case 👍🏽
I'm going into the Club Champion in Ft. Myers, FL for a fitting this Saturday, and this is the first thing I want to address.. Not only for getting the right sized grip for me, but also I anticipate the weight of a larger grip will have an impact on the rest of my fitting process from a swingweight/shaft weight perspective.
hate going to a demo day etc, and all they have is standard size grips, I'm 6 3" and wear xxl gloves, standard size grips feel like toothpicks in my hands when I swing.
I recently upgraded my irons to a combo set of Taylormade P790s (6, 7 & 8) which I play as my 5, 6 & 7 irons and P7MCs in 8, 9 & PW. I went with the Golf Pride Z Grip 360 with 3 wraps on the bottom hand and 1 wrap on the top. I had always played standard grips but found that with the gentler taper, due to the extra bottom hand wraps, that I have more control and that I am not gripping quite as tight as I did with standard grips. It also feels more natural choking down the grip when not playing full shots.
I think the effects of grip size and maybe firmness are the most overlooked factors in club fitting.
Thanks hugely for this video!
First thing I do when I buy a club is tear off the grip and put on a Tour Velvet midsize grip. I hit standard size just fine but midsize is just more comfortable.
Maybe next time you could use the Dri-Tac Winn grips. They are all 50 grams, from standard to oversize. That way the results aren't scewed by swing weight
I changed regular Lamkin to Mid size Golf Pride TV in my 3 iron because it just wasn't comfortable and it took away my left miss. Now I understand why. Getting the others changed now.
Looking forward to more head speed in all the others!
I always had a problem with standard grips because I grew up playing with them and as I got older I had to squeeze the grips tighter and tighter for it to feel secure and it's created bad habits in my swing and grip pressure. A bigger grip has 100% helped me stay more loose while feeling like I have control.
Last year in a charity tournmament I was partnered with someone who had the almost exact same driver as I had but with a Jumbomax grip (medium size) on their driver. I hit it so much better then my driver I changed almost imediately. I have had so much more control since I made the change. I'm a smaller fella and I used to play undersized grips feeling they fit my hand "better" but as I've played around more I find that I kinda like larger grips. I usually regrip my own sticks and I think next time I regrip I'm gonna go midsize or maybe even jumbo just for funzies.
Anyway, love your channel and I love the way you all present your info. Happy Wednesday.
So glad to see this concept covered, well done guys and thank you. This video gave me validation to something that I discovered experimenting. I struggled with trying to find the most comfortable grip till I tried a mid-sized grip and found for me that I was able to use less grip pressure during my swing. Then I kept trying to find a style that was most comfortable in the mid-size and settled on the Golf Pride Tour Velvet Mid until my last club fitting and with a suggestion from a fitter I ended up really liking the Golf Pride CP2 Wrap. Best, funny and sad part is I never tried a wrap just cause I did not really like the wrap look and yet it has become the most comfortable.
You all gave a great idea to let a fitter experiment during a fitting to in reality be fitted for grips. Something that most won't think about and as small as it seems, the right grip can play a big influence in how we perform in our swings.
I've played with many grips of different weights and sizes. I have longer fingers, and always felt uncomfortable until I finally went to very large grips. It also helps a ton to remove shape from my longer clubs.
Funny, just started to mess around with grip size before getting my new set of clubs (old Ping i15's w/ Standard grips). I've got decently large hands & I def get some harsh left shots when I know my grip gets too firm or I turn it over too much. I bought a Tour Velvet +4 Midsize for a wedge & it feels a lot better to control! I really feel my body controlling path a lot more, since my hands feel a lot more quiet with a Midsize. Excited to get some for my new set!
I picked up used clubs with undersized grips. Got five wraps of tape under them and they feel more like midsize grips. Now I can swing more freely without thinking about pulls that I used to get with the without the wraps.
Wear a medium glove & just made the switch to midsize last season. Bought a used wedge set that had midsize on them and liked them so much I regripped my irons to match. Easy switch, more comfortable and I definitely use less pressure now. Anybody on the fence should try them. Just start with a 7 or 8 iron. Cheap experiment.
Still LOVE how the Dirty Dog is back
Be conscious of the weight of the grips as they have a considerable effect on swing weight and balance of the club. Especially if you are moving to an oversize grip. I made the mistake of installing the lamkin crossline oversize, a very popular grip, great look and feel but didn't realize it weighs 75g. I lost 3 swing-weight points. The only JUMBO i have found that is in the same weight ballpark as a standard or mid size grip and not "jumbo max or winn brand" is the golf pride tour velvet.
I played Winn jumbo for a couple years. Half way through last year I switched to the JumboMax xSmall (still large +3/16”)ST8Tech ultralight. For me I like the light grip pressure while easily hanging onto the club. I hit the ball pretty straight with them as well. I started with my driver and 3 wedges(swing weight D4). I liked them enough to swap out the rest of my bag.
I recently had the same dilemma. I wear a large glove and I've played, at least 2 years, with 4 layers +mid size grip. From a comfort perspective, it felt good as I thought that I had the club secured in my hands. Over the years, as I got a little better, I started to roll my wrist as I intuitively felt like the face was open. This led to very inconsistent strike patterns which weren't so good for my game. I recently returned back to 2 layers + mid size. I noticed that I had a tighter dispersion (especially with my irons) which was a function of better contact and feel. The driver on the other hand is a bit iffy. I guess I need to get used to it 😅
I think it’s great you guys revisited this topic. As a follow on, I would love to see comparisons between reduced taper and standard taper grips.
Also I’d like to see what impact to swing weight has in changing grip sizes for the average golfer. I’ve always played standard grips until I discovered my hand/glove size suggests I need to go into a midsize grip. I swapped out grips but didn’t realize how much weight to the grip end of the club that change made to the overall swing weight.
I’m not a robot so I can’t say for certain if that had any impact to my swing, but to remove that ‘variable’, I moved back to a standard grip (+4) with +2 wraps to give me more of tweener grip size and maintain the relatively same swingweight with std grip.
This jives with the idea of using larger grips for putting. Theoretically, smaller grips require more grip pressure, larger grips require less grip pressure. Cool to see that translate to irons. I find this also to be true because when I'm not playing well, I get tense and tighten my grip more and tend to hook the ball more. Closing the face too fast due to increased grip pressure. Great video.
I like larger grips for longer clubs.
Driver: Jumbo
Fairways: Midsize
Hybrids: Midsize
Irons and Wedges: Standard Size
I’m going to be signing up for a fitting this fall with you guys, and grip size is one of those things I want to explore more (always been a std MCC guy). This video was super timely and can’t wait to try out the options!
Always messing around with different size grips mainly on my woods and wedges. Little hack I learnt was to use you car tyre pump if you have one and a ball inflation needle
to blow them on and off. Got plenty of funny looks in the driving range carpark doing it.
Loved it guys! Well done. Biggest take away is grip pressure. I think it's why the less tapered grips are out there more now. Definitely information I'll use with golfers when they come to see me. Grips are my thing! My little niche out here in YYC!
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I have a fairly small hand but I use midsize grips , standard size is a tad to small for my liking, I feel like I grip to tight because there is just not enough for me to feel comfortable, never really thought how this would affect my strike
Ian is a wealth of information! Very informative video guys.
I play Jumbo Max Lite on my driver and fairways and Tour Velvet midsize on my other clubs. The Jumbo Max lite do not change swing weight as much. There is a great video of Retief Goosen discussing how the size and weight of a grip affect the timing of his swing. He plays Jumbo Max and has some very informative comments.
I think these are your best videos. tee height, grip size, etc.
My coach and Dean at TXG both told me to up my grip size as I was tearing up my hands in standard grips. So happy I did, no more blisters!
I find this interesting as I changed my grips from standard to midsize last year because they just felt better. Thanks guys.
On my drivers I have played a mid-sized minimum taper grip for several years, and a nice fade was the normal. In the middle of last year I tried a jumbo grip on my backup driver and that was nothing but hook, pull hooks and duck hooks, , and was cut off in no time and back to my normal grip, take from that what you want.
You guys hit on it but held off making an absolute confirmation. Its all about grip pressure and the less the better basically. In my view, there is no question that larger grips tend to encourage a lighter hold because we feel like the club is under control. Soooo, we should find the grip size that lets us grip the club "properly" so that the swing is unhindered by grip pressure. I have small hands and a standard grip is not as comfortable as a midsize. All my clubs have midsize grips but now I think I'll dig a little further - maybe not up to the Jumbo size but maybe more underlying tape.......
PS: Very good work.
I played CP2 Wrap Midsize grips on all 13 grips for a year and after my fitting hitting Standard grips the whole time and then going back to the Midsize they felt super mushy.
I moved into Lamkin Sonar+ Standard grips and they feel great in my irons, I've bought the rest of the set, excited to get everything regripped!
I’m a big body rotator and the hands don’t keep up so add tons of dynamic loft by keeping the face too open. Went from standard to undersize and compression and strike were amazing. Changed my game, to low single digit.
Having some trigger finger issues and arthritis going on, I've recently went from midsize to oversize in my irons, WINN DRI-TAC LITE oversize. Like the feel with oversize, makes me have less grip pressure
Great video! This is just what I needed! I am a lefty but have a permanent disability with my left hand and don’t have the grip strength anymore. I am considering the mcc plus 4 standard or midsize to help. I hope Dicks can fit me properly since I am not near TXG!
Great video, I use Lamkin Oversized grips. I find them the most comfortable for me, with 2 full wraps. It makes a big difference for me in terms of releasing the club head. When I try my friends clubs with smaller grips, it does not feel comfortable,and I do not feel like I have the same control over the club head.
Good video as always. There's definitely more to it than just the conventional wisdom of "smaller grip is easier to turn over". I recently switched from midsize to jumbomax on my driver and it helped turn my slice into a baby fade, which is opposite of the conventional wisdom. I'm not swinging the club any different on purpose but I do feel more comfortable with the jumbomax which may lead me to subconsciously swing the club a little different. Next up I may try a jumbomax on my fairway woods. Irons and wedges are probably staying with midsize though.
Very well-timed video, haha I was just considering a change in grip size today. Thanks for the info fellas!
Had a lot of experience with grips in my short time in golf. Experimented with standard, adding wraps, using a +4, a midsize, and an oversize grip. Ended up with the Jumbomax UltraLite M's. I have a lot of control of the face rotation, I'm able to put less pressure on the grip since I'm putting the grip on my palm now opposed to my fingers, which also distributes for force around the hands and I'm able to swing it faster. There are cons to newer players that I did see, e.g it seems like if you don't have enough body rotation its basically just going to be a shank, which might also be a good thing since it forces you to turn your body. A big part for me is that I was always injuring my wrist, forearm and back when i used a standard grip. Ever since I've changed to jumbomaxs all of those seem to go away, and im nearing to around a year now with these grips. I see a lot of people trying bigger grips for a couple of days and switching back to std when they say it doesnt work for them, well honestly it takes a long time to get used to (atleast for me). It took me around a month of constantly going to the range and practicing. Would like to hear stories about other people as well and their experiences with grips
Hand size (especially finger length) is a key consideration in this for me. If a grip is too large (at least for me), it’s harder to keep a strong grip “in the fingers” of of my left hand
I've got small hands and have always played standard sized grips - only because thats what I "thought" I was supposed to play as someone who wears a size S glove. Over the winter, I have been working on loosing my over hook and am using mid sized grips to help reduce grip pressure and to help with better face control. Maybe its a placebo effect but I do feel that the larger (mid sized MCC+4) grip has helped me grip it softer which in turn keeps my once over flippy hands a bit quieter. Win.
I switched to arthritic grips (72 to 75 grams, like a Jumbo) last year; needed to. As you mentioned less grip pressure and better ball striking. I utilized my large muscles and put less stress on my hands. Very good for me - 70 years old.
Top tier as always fellas. Regarding comment on the grip pressure differences between tour pros and amatuers, I heard the other day about a study on this, and although the pro will be gripping considerably "lighter" (50% compared to 70%) than an amatuer, their 50% is creating more pressure than an amatuers 70%, due to superior grip strength, whilst maintaining a more relaxed feeling grip.
Oh my god. So I picked up a set of use MP-20 irons and they had standard GP TV on them. My wedges have standard MCC, and I tried the grip pressure test, and with the standard TV, the toe turned in, but with the MCC it didn't. Both standard size. I'm heading to get MCC put on my irons lol - Amazing.
Great little experiment and really good ender there Ian on the grip pressure! Insightful as always gentlemen!
Loved this! My only issue I've ever had with grips is being shorter at 5'8 ish with a short palm and long fingers is swing weights with midsized grips. They can be quite heavy and really mess with how much awareness I have with the head. Winn grips being lite are neat but they dont handle high speed very well and twist unlike a good rubber grip. Going to experiment with a smaller jumbomax soon to see if they twist or shift during the swing.
great content guys, love these test videos!! this is why I have a huge problem with fittings in my area, I play cp2 pro jumbo grips and everywhere that offers fittings don't change grips, so using a standard size is just uncomfortable and I don't get the most out of it. wish more places would consider changing grips for different people, especially when a person wears an xl-xxl glove!
Last year I switched to CP2 jumbo grips from golf pride. It definitely eased my grip pressure and alleviated pain in my forearms. The other thing I noticed is it made my club heads feel much lighter.
I liked the lighter feel but on the flip side it was harder to feel my clubhead position.
Interesting one. My hands are "low volume" or "piano fingers". That is to say "XL" glove for correct length but just "ML" palm and finger diameter. Gloves and grips are just pure confounding me. I have built up some different grips and found it really interesting... but not yet definitive, except if I play standard size I get cramps in hands during a range session while midsize or larger is fine. Also the adaption I had to make between Tour Velvet midsize and midsize MCC+4 was surprisingly large.
I use lamkin midsize +1tape in 3-9 and jumbo with 1tape in my wedges and woods( inc driver) i found its straightend my wood shots nicely and gave me better feel and consistency with my wedges, especially around the greens.. my irons are good with the midsize but Im tempted to go jumbo in my irons aswell. Gonna try it on my 3 iron first as i do tend to over draw that a bit and see how it goes.
Just in time for the re-grip event at GT, my current grips are quite worn down and was going to just grab a standard black full-cord replacement based on the feel in store itself, but maybe they've got some demo clubs with different grip sizes that I could try out to see if anything different feels better or worse
Not a huge handed guy, and yes I find smaller grips easier to turn on a draw. However my “Older Arthritic” type fingers and hands prefer the midsize comfort. Just have to ensure release is correct.
Really enjoy the experimental videos like this. Can be hard to tell if a factor impacts your game as a player or if you’re getting too deep in the weeds. Much appreciated guys
Hope you repair all the pitch marks on green after video😁😁😁
i changed to mid size last year and love it. Now I may try jumbo to see if it does anything for me.
Great video. What is the impact of the SW changing with the different grips? The oversize grip produced a C7.7 SW and the undersize a D3.5. That is a big variance. Would you consider another test wherein for each grip the SW was adjusted to Matt's preferred SW. Assuming his preferred iron SW is D2, how would the jumbo grip perform at D2 vs C7.7?
Recently changed from standard MCC Plus 4 to MCC Plus 4 midsize. Remarkable difference in such a small change, especially in the irons.
Have you tried different grip sizes with matching swing weight to decipher if the differences seen are more about (grip or grip pressure) or the swing weight which seemed to be pretty substantial???
I was grip fitted for my last Irons and they where a joy to play. When fitted for my current Irons there wasn't time to fit the grips so I got them with the original standard size grips, and as you say I grip them hard, so much so I got sore hands and elbows. I was originally fitted for 2 extra layers of grip tape, and the difference over the whole season is massive. Bad dispersion and pain in my hands and arms. My best round this year was in heavy rain in cold weather when I had thick gloves on, everything worked because I had a firm and relaxed grip of my clubs. Next day in dry weather with my standard glove I hit all over the place again clamping down on the grips. Grip size really matter, and my conclusion is that a big grip is better than a small one because you become more relaxed in your hands, wrists and arms when you have larger diameter grips. Just for the reason of ergonomics you should really use a big grip.
I wish they made softer Grips. I know you are not supposed to do a death grip when hitting. but think it would help with feeling more secure swinging club.
Fun fact for everyone, if you do 4 extra grip wraps on a standard tour velvet golf pride grip, it will equate to the same size as a midsize grip. So plus 4 grip’s essentially have a midsize bottom half for anyone who is kind of in between standard and mid size in that grip
Just got a few mcc plus 4 aligns to try out since I didn’t wanna try a midsize right away. Pulled a bunch of scoring clubs last year and was wondering if grip size could be a factor in that
Except, this will be firmer as you're stretching the rubber versus going straight midsize, which will be thicker, slightly heavier and softer.
@@robertcrowe7036 did you read my whole comment or were you too geriatric for that? The main point was that if you’re in between grip sizes the +4 grips from golf pride are a good option
@nicholasphi6616 I fully understood your comment, and it's a really good one. You didn't specify if the tape were just placed under the bottom hand or both. If both, my comment is also correct. You will be my age one day. When that happens, I hope the younger generation is more respectful to you. No harm. I've been called worse.
@@robertcrowe7036 you do realize golf pride makes grips called +4 where it doesn’t require extra tape correct?
Would love to see what the difference of a MCC plus4 grip vs a regular taper MCC to see the difference on swing performance. Supposedly the plus 4 is supposed to have more power and less tension.
I’ve always used standard and I have big feet and big hands and last year I was pulling scoring clubs so I got a few mcc plus 4’s to try out on a few scoring clubs. Try those b4 going midsize.
I game the JMX Ultralite XL in my irons and love it.
I've always stuck to standard size grips with one wrap. Last year I switched it up on my wedges and went with a midsize grip and 3 wraps. I have a bad habit of being too handsy with my wedges and I found it really helped me. Feels much more stable in the hands, I think being a hockey player may have something to do with it. Going to try out midsize on a wood or two, see how I like it. An interesting topic for sure.
as a fellow hockey player, trust me Mid Size +4 is a no brainer
Litrally just put lamkin undersize on my clubs to test...
I've tried mid and jumbo. Over standard, M size glove.
Like the feel of the bigger grip to hold but just loose the clubhead feel and start to come steep and over the top with it, with slappy toe shots.
Undersize does strangly feel quite nice as it's easy to get into the fingers...
Swingweight should go from d2 to d3 for my clubs and I can definitely feel it a bit more when I give it a waggle...
That's fascinating about the grip pressure. I always feel my poor rounds come from tension and I never even thought of pressure closing the face (tried thr parallel club and sure as s**t... Is closes)
Recently watched another of your videos about this same test. I was excited after watching that one because the smaller the grip the more right it was (left handed tester). This video didn't really see that same pattern. Ordered a midsize grip to see if it tames down my draw. I was anticipating delivery based on your other video. After watching this, I'm not as optimistic. Will test with fingers crossed.
Playing +4 TVelvet with 2 wraps. Interesting regarding maintaining the same grip pressure with a larger dia size. For some reason I do like the feel of a jumbo even though it feels way to large
Cheapest way to try it is put a tennis overwrap on the existing grip....if it's good it becomes super cheap to do the whole set
Great video as always, guys!! I've been playing standard-sized grips ever since I started playing 20 years ago, but this has made me wonder if perhaps I would see different results trying a midsize grip. I never even considered trying anything else because standard has always felt fine to me. Trying out a midsize grip is something I will look into experimenting with.
Hi Guys! I wish you would test the Jumbomax grips. I use the jumbomax tour series small grips. I don't tend to grip as hard on the club and I'm getting somewhere between 5 to 10 yards more because my hands are not as tight. Great video as always! Keep it up! Mark
Good info… grip pressure makes total sense. Hogan grip it like your holding a baby bird… but if having to control the face more say out of heavy rough your grip pressure would change. I’ve noticed that as my grip is lighter I turn it over more. So if a jumbo grip maintains light grip pressure could I be increasing flash speed at the bottom?
I started using Medium JumboMax Ultralight - really aids in club face control and alleviates forearm pain.
After much experimentation, I decided that the JumboMax grip provides maximum stability and control. Undersized and standard grip introduces way to much club head variation due to increased grip pressure required. Now that I’ve settled on the grip size, I am experimenting with non-tapered grips. My bag is sort of a mess with different sizes and shapes, but I will get fine tuned soon. I recently regrouped 4 clubs with non-tapered mid-sized grips and it feels strange with smaller grips, but I’m getting good results with wedges. With the hybrid, I m leaving some shots off the the right and shorter. So, for me, jumbo XL grips get the best results. Tapered vs non-tapered is still a question mark.
So crazy…I have been really curious about grip size and grip pressure. Excellent resource. Thank you!
I have MCC+4 Standard + 1 layer. That extra layer means my hands don't get as tired in a long session, but I don't feel directly.
OTOH, my last second hand clubs were supplied with standard grips. I felt I could not swing "relaxed", and I got more shots left open or snapped. My torque control is better.
I have really big hands and a good size slice. So I've been worried about trying larger grips because of the greater probability of having the face opened more. But the way you present this in relation to grip strength has me wanting to try some bigger grips.
I'm similar, I just can't use larger grips. I'm able to control my shot trajectory with standard grips & never have to worry about slicing my Driver. But with bigger grips, half my shots are a damn slice, and I have absolutely no control over the ball flight with my irons. I'll choose dispersion over comfort😂
Yes! When I ordered my clubs in 2021, the grips I wanted weren’t available. They couldn’t get the +4 midsize. Fast forward to literally last week, I haven’t played consistently well with my longer irons. Played one round this past week with new grip size and it was night and day! No longer am I apprehensive with my 4,5,6 irons over water etc because now I can swing more freely.