Starting to think Halls of Valor wasn't a completely random m+ choice. We're gonna start getting story hints with highlighted past dungeons like they're "previously on.." set ups for tv episodes.
Makes you wonder if the Mop one a similar choice then too maybe? Pretty sure they picked the one that has a boss with corrupt water you purify and then go on to do a fight with a giant Sha, which are remnants of Y'Shaarj. Maybe it turns out all of the old gods been spiking the coolaid
@@TaliesinEvitel That's it? Obi-Wan just helped you out and that's how you respond? Should've ended with: "Thank you, master." Also, welcome back to life, master Obi-Wan.
This information has me thinking about the DK order hall mount, an ancient red dragon that died fighting a great corruption on a glacier north of Icecrown. I wouldn't say that was necessarily old god related at this point. Especially considering how tightly kept of a secret it was that the dragon was there at all. I don't think we would be telling Alexstrasa anything she doesn't already know.
I like to think that the reason my character never tells anyone about the lore revelations they come across in hidden books and scrolls is because they're very stupid. They just go "Big book, nice. Good for smashing skulls."
Watcher Malenia? I've heard about her... She is the blade of somebody, can't quite remember who, but I do remember that she is very tough, so tough that nobody has ever defeted her.
No, there was one, a man who simply was referred to as "Let me solo her". No one knows his true name. Only his strange preference of headwear and his savage ability.
I like that Blizz is casting doubt on the Titans. It's good for people to know that a separate class of people who rule over them do not have their best interests at heart -- no matter how lovely they seem.
"are we the baddies?" common now. The Player Characters have been either the intentional or unintentional baddies SO many times, it wouldn't even slightly surprise me we're doing it again.
Regarding Perethales: Thales, Thales of Miletusnoun. a presocratic Greek philosopher and astronomer (who predicted an eclipse in 585 BC) who was said by Aristotle to be the founder of physical science; he held that all things originated in water (624-546 BC) Pere: Father. Perethales: The Water Father! dun dun DUNN
Eh, it's pretty morally grey, with the waters. After all it says _keep_ aligned with order, not *make.* And given that the alternative they just saw, with a dragon falling to chaos, was Galagrond, a dragon that could've killed Azeroth, it makes sense that purifying the waters to shield dragons from that, was a good act in their eyes. From an order point of view, anyway.
Elemental invasions remind me of the prepatch event for Cataclysm moreso than Legion, as Cata also had it being elementals leading into a dragon-themed expansion.
Tbf even in Norse mythology Týr is not the good guy everyone paints him to be. He tricked his best friend Fenris into being trapped, just because him and the other Gods were afraid of how powerful Fenris had become, even though he never really did anything wrong. There was a prophecy that Fenris would bring about the Ragnaork, but it was a self fulfilling prophecy, because Fenris only got all pissed and murderous BECAUSE Týr and the other gods trapped and betrayed him. He never had any intention of killing the gods and destroying everything.
That's literal Assassins's creed garbage. The Gods KNEW Fenrir was to cause issues by literally tracing the lines of his fate, and Fenrir grew massive and showed no signs of slowing. For fuck sake, Fenrir's SONS devour the Sun and the Moon.
@@grimnir8872 they 'knew'? No they didn't, they were a jealous, insecure decietful bunch that would not accept any challenge to their power. Fenrir only agreed because Tyr promised he could bite off his hand if they tricked him. And only Tyr had the sense of honor to back up his promise after Fenrir was tied down. And the sons of Fenrir are no damnation of Fenrir himself.
@@onnol917 Incorrect. In norse mythology, Fate (with a capital F) is the most powerful force that exists. The three Norns had already written Fenrir's fate to be what it is, but they never showed why it'd happen, leading it to become a self fulfilling prophecy when the gods tried to prevent it, but in the end it would've happened regardless because Fate decreed it to be so. The true villain in this isn't Fenrir or the gods, but the Norns. That's the thing with fate. Once inscribed onto Yggdrassill's bark, you can struggle against it all you want, but it will get you in the end no matter what you do. Its rather cruel like that.
It's been 13 years since the Cataclysm. It's frustrating that the writing team keeps going bigger and bigger with the cosmic scope of WOW instead of taking a break and refocusing on the smaller stories that have been developing in the decade since the Cataclysm on the initial continents that literally millions of people fell in love with. I'm reminded about what I love about The Mandalorian and Andor: rather than saying "hey, remember that single word referenced by throw away baddie in the OG trilogy? let's make an entire movie about that!" Favreau, Filoni, and Gilroy said "let's do a good story set in the Star Wars Universe." I think the latter works better than the former. I felt like the non-faction war stories in BFA were the latter, and the Titans/Old Gods/First Ones stuff in BFA and Shadowlands were the latter. I hope all this Titans/First Ones stuff turns out to be more Rogue One and less The Rise of Skywalker.
I could see our characters telling Alexstrasza and, of course because the water did its job... She refuses to acknowledge it. Because "even the most willful dragons" are under their thumb. It sets up a great deal of complexity. Whether your character believes her or knows they're unable to do anything about it is up to you, but it would definitely feel very interesting that the player knows what's going on, but the Titans are a thousand steps ahead so figuring out step 3 doesn't mean shit. It's a lot like your theory about the Jailer; it's not luck if you have all the time in the world for your pieces to fall into place.
The set progress looks great, Tali! I have been loving this increasing trend of faux brick walls. The way you go "what did you do Steve?" makes my soul leave my body 😂
I have to say that decision to make it a brick wall was an amazing one and it looks stunning. Also, you did a great job of it. :) As for the weird story writing. I am honestly not sure how I feel about it. It feels very retcon- y and not that is not great writing. Thanks for a another weekly reset. :)
Hey Tali, yesterday I had a day that would be a negative value on a 0-10 scale. Thanks for brightening my morning with a new Dragonflight video to get excited about!
I really like the idea of being able to fly my drake through the caverns under the isles. That would be a blast so fly through, especially if there was dungeons and entrances to areas that can only be found by flying around. Super excited for more lore!!
I really hope Khaz Algar has the same verticality as the overworld in Dragonflight. If Minecraft can have a megahuge underground expanses - there's no excuse for World of Warcraft to release a cramp tunnel. Starting at some peak and having to jump off--the same as Legion and Valdraken--just *feels* epic.
Ooh, yes, something like the Aberration map in Ark. No traditional fliers we're allowed, but we used gliders (which are similar to dragonriding mounts) to great effect.
6:36 More like everyone forgets what heart _does._ It's actually the most OP ring of the Planeteer rings and probably serves as Captain Planet's moral compass, which also makes it the most important.
My wild card guess was that Odyn wasn't going to be an end boss, but a penultimate boss for 10.2 or 10.3. I'm getting more and more confident in my guess.
It depends if we are going to have another titan facility raid. If so, then I would totally see it. However if we don't end up going into any raid like Uldir, then I'm not so sure.
Avalorne could be where Void-powered Knights of the Round Table lay sleeping. Yeah, that isn't likely, but my headcanon is very happy to mull this over. 😄
16:48 May be completely coincidental, but there was a Greek philosopher, astronomer and mathematician named _Thales,_ called one of the Seven Sages of Greece and the Father of Science.
This video was awesome. It really makes me look forward even more to DragonFlight. It would be awesome to see those Lore books at the prerelease video series we usually get.
I'm not sure if the rules for mortals apply to Titan Keepers, but I'd imagine the Keepers to be so infused with Arcane magic, they go to the realm of Order.
@@stormstrider1990 Well - the soul of Argus, who is a titan after all, went to the Shadowlands after we defeated him in Legion. Ok, granted, he messed that place up by breaking the Arbiter, but if a Titan soul can be sent to the Shadowlands a Titan Watcher surely can. Not to mention that we know that this can happen because Helya is in the Shadowlands.
A completely new movement system for flight isn't going to be canned, even if the single dragon is. This isn't anything like legion weapons or azurite necks
@@NoConsequenc3 He didn't say anything about the system being canned. Pretty sure the 'dragonslaying' was sarcasm/humor, hence the smile at the end of the statement.
They need to add a mount equipment slot and release a bunch of equipment that lets ground mounts fly with any of the elements. That way you can get an arcane, fel or nature bauble that will give thematic flair to the magic that is enabling the ground mount to soar.
Mystery dwarves will be the things attacking the Dragon Isles, the titan facility is Tyrhold, and the island is the Dragon Isles or one of its satellites. Let's be honest here, Steve has a storytelling appetite the size of the MCU but the planning capacity of the DCEU. He is not one to lay things down expansions in advance.
My personal fan-theories about the Titans. 1. The original Drakonid and Dragonspawn are transformed titanforged. Their incredible sense of duty (also the Dragon's) is very similar to how the titanforged don't have any own agency beyond their duty. This is the titan's "corruption". Also, dragon architecture looks very similar to titan architecture. It wouldn't be surprising if some were former titan facilities, which begs the questin, where are the personnel? 2. Neltharius with his close connection to the earth was the only one to realize that ordering the elements and worldsoul is not "the only right way", that they might not want it. In an act of rebellion, he created the Dracthyr, a being that has the powers of dragons but is free of the titan's corruption. This is when the old gods struck and increased his concern to outright obsession to topple the titan's order. 3. Odyn created the Djardin. Their drive to kill dragons and appearance as magma-based big humanouds is too similar to be a coincidence. (Especially the fact that the Djardin focus on the black dragonflight, the once that have renounced the titan's duty.)
@@zennim125 It has never canonically been stated where the Dragonkin come from. The most direct was that a Q&A which said they are mortals who "hang out with dragons" In Blackrock-descend, there is a boss who drains a netherdrake to transform acolytes into twilight-dragonkin. There are also Dragonkin in Shadowmoon-valley among the Dragonmaw who apparently learned the method as well. On the dragon-isles however, we also meet children of dragonkin and they as a race have lived on the isles while it was hidden away. My take is simply that the original Dragonkin were the titanforged inhabitats of the titanic-structures that Valdrakken or Wyrmrest-temple are based on.
@@therethan-family1234 first i need to give you credit because i did not remember those examples while yeah, only direct way it was said was in a q&a, we can be sure of two things because of what we see in game they only exist thanks to dragon influence, you need "something" whatever it is, from dragons that make other mortals into dragonkin, they having a whole cycle outside of that is beside the point, they become another species. we know that what makes dragons what they are now is the keepers and titans blessings, that is why they are different from protodrakes, and what they have of different from these drakes is what they have in common with dragonkin, what we see that makes a dragonkin a dragonkin is exactly what differentiate the anatomy of a dragon and a protodrake shape of mouth and head, extra limbs, connection to the aspects and so on i really don't think they are titanforged because it would mean the curse of flesh affected them differently from the other races and also it breaks the timeline a little since the curse of flesh comes after the war of ancients
We just spent an entire expansion fighting Sylvannas and the Jailer with the whole "mind control is bad m'kaay" ; and now we're going to be fighting some people to keep mind controiling the dragons .... ok
I’ve been working on doing Balance of Power for each class (currently 6 classes are finished) and considering hour many times i have to go through Halls of Valor, I’m ready to kick Odyn’s ass for good. Of, and Eyir.
20:00 I don't think Odyn had anything to do with the waters though. I thought it was said in lore and game that he disagreed so much with the idea of creating the aspects that he up and left at the point of their creation of not before.
I ordered dragonflight collectors edition on gear store blizzard, changed my mind an hour later and email to cancel my order - they refused to cancel my order because i dont meet requirements to cancel… absurd
I’m a firm believer and have been saying for a long time that the Old Gods are not evil. Just like the Light isn’t Good. Our moral understanding is well beyond Cosmic. I’m a firm believer of The Old Gods being part of The First One’s. If not them directly, the spawn of them. It makes sense because simply only the player canonically interacted with them hence our interacting with First One relics in SL. I believe… we are gonna be quite surprised that N’zoth wasn’t wrong””. It’s a Cosmic fight, not a moral one. Right, wrong, our understanding is invalid.
19:40 A liquid being applied to dragons and their eggs to make them subservient? _Now I'm really kicking myself for not reserving Cricket as my bronze drakthyr name before it got taken._
The timing is starting to get to me. Wrath Classic launched on Monday (midnight) after a Bank Holiday weekend. Prepatch will go live as October week is ending...
Perethales seems to be consisted by two greek-origin parts; Pere (Περί) meaning “around” in greek and also being the first part of many archaic (and modern) greek names Thales (Θαλής) which is actually a name itself, Thales of Miletus (Θαλής ο Μιλήσιος) known pre-Socratic pholosopher and also Mathematician and Astronomer among others. Now, the interesting part connected to the wow lore is that he was a hylozoist (one who thinks that matter is alive i.e. containing soul(s) (Υλοζωιστής). Also, Thales is known for his theoretical and practical use of geometry, and is often considered the first person in the western world to have applied deductive reasoning to geometry (and by extension is often considered the first western mathematician). Geometry resonates a lot with Zereth Mortis, the First Ones etc. Could that be another hint? P.s Love your videos :)
Dragonriding mounts are like artefact weapons in that we're gonna abandon them immediately at the end of the expansion for no reason and everyone is going to hate it
Serious question. How does a prepatch event during Shadowlands work in a time line when Dragonflight is post time skip? Is the time skip at the prepatch launch and Shadowlands effectively years in the past despite being current tier?
I think the lore books work well if we steadily progress towards letting more people know about those things and them becoming an actual thing. It gets weird when these 4th wall lore texts somehow suddenly become expected common knowledge.
Also about Avalon, there is a city/port from the Tolkien universe called Avallone on the island of Tol-Eressea wich is near Numenor wich is also called atalante in sindarin(elvish). So it is not so far fetch that there is an other island (sunken or not) near the dragons isles just like in the old tales of Avalon / Numenor /Atlantide. sorry my english is limited.
It's worth pointing out as well that Avalon in legend is shrouded by mist, reachable from any body of water... Rather similar to how Kalimdor, Pandaria, Dragon Isles, and the backside of Azeroth had all been shrouded themselves.
16:07 - I thought this was fairly obvious after what he did to Helya XD. One of the few instances where I sided with a big-bad and wished they had won in the raid.
I think the books should be attached to a quest (perhaps the zone quest that all dungeons come with), or not included at all. Lore is not storytelling, but it is a tool that can heighten and inform the story being told. If the information in these books is not worth of influencing the story, then maybe it shouldn't be included at all. As was pointed out, Alexstrazsa would want to know this information (we may even find out that she already knows), and in addition to that, our characters have a relationship with Odyn himself; we could and should confront him with this information. It all seems like an unnecessary detachment of the overarching lore and the story of Dragonflight. It is also worth noting that Halls of Valor is a dungeon we will be doing for the sake of mythic+ variety and thus squandering this Lore-fueled reason to go back there and hit some major story moments.
Blizzard has always put lore in books laying about in the world - in prior years, you needed to actually keep your eyes open for books laying around that you could click on and read (the old Sargeras lore was still in books in the game last time I checked, even, lol!) So...I kinda like it being lore you need to go out of your way to find *in-game*. It's not just handed to you - now, if all important lore was handed down this way, it'd be crappy. But it's just fun lore tid-bits our characters wouldn't already know.
T&E&Children I just, simply, LOVE YOU GUYS! The BEST WoW content MAKERS! On a topic of an subject, ever since WotLK and stories of Titans around Storm Peaks, and Legion Warrior Class Order with Odyn, Whole Titanic stuff seemed quite fishy to me...
Perhaps those dwarves are actually ones we’ve already met, the earthen in Deepholm perhaps? In that case, the book would have been written around or before the end of the Black Empire, before Helya and Ra-den walled the elements off to trap the Old Gods armies
Zereth Ordus... Seems like every cosmic power has its own realm made by the First Ones. Zereth Mortis is death, Ordus is order, maybe there is a Zereth Vita, a Zereth Chaos, Zereth Lux and Zereth Tenebris...
Ok, in game thing. Some players might not want to RP telling the dragons this information, thus there should never be an "in game" exposition of said information. But some players would definitely want to let the dragons know, thus there will be sometime in the future a way or dialogue or something in game that will let players know that the dragons have this information. It is new and fresh lore right now, give it some time (a patch or two) for the writers and developers to get said information into the minds of the npc's. I think it would be VERY strange if at the same exact time the player base finds out this information that the npc's would have dialogue already discussing it.
Hmm, so how does this blue bot reveal impact what we know about the black dragonflight and their corruption? Did Neltharion learn of the mind controlling waters from an old god's whispers? Was it this Revelation that proved the initial seed that peeled away his loyalty and fidelity to the other aspects and led to his overall corruption? And did the other aspects seal their fate when they closed off the dragon isles during the sundering before they knew they were betrayed, preventing them from bringing the black dragons back under control?
Starting to think Halls of Valor wasn't a completely random m+ choice. We're gonna start getting story hints with highlighted past dungeons like they're "previously on.." set ups for tv episodes.
"I wonder why they're recapping stuff from 5 episodes ago, about an important character that hadn't been seen since"
Makes you wonder if the Mop one a similar choice then too maybe? Pretty sure they picked the one that has a boss with corrupt water you purify and then go on to do a fight with a giant Sha, which are remnants of Y'Shaarj. Maybe it turns out all of the old gods been spiking the coolaid
"We have no ideas, lets make some stuff up... umm... Zoval was behind the LK all along."
Uhhh… Tali The title is a red bot spoiler 😂
Fair shout. Title changed
@@TaliesinEvitel That's it? Obi-Wan just helped you out and that's how you respond? Should've ended with: "Thank you, master."
Also, welcome back to life, master Obi-Wan.
What was the original title?
The all brick background like an open mic comedy night in the 1980s is the best background
"..step on us as a reward" had me rolling. Had to pause to laugh, great one Tali
This information has me thinking about the DK order hall mount, an ancient red dragon that died fighting a great corruption on a glacier north of Icecrown. I wouldn't say that was necessarily old god related at this point. Especially considering how tightly kept of a secret it was that the dragon was there at all.
I don't think we would be telling Alexstrasa anything she doesn't already know.
I like to think that the reason my character never tells anyone about the lore revelations they come across in hidden books and scrolls is because they're very stupid. They just go "Big book, nice. Good for smashing skulls."
Talie and Evi using their secret powers, to get the pre-patch officially announced, by releasing another episode of the weekly reset. 😂
Your WoW videos continue to be my favorite WoW content to watch on TH-cam. Thanks for your work.
The Captain Planet reference had me bent over laughing with mountain dew spewing out of every orifice! Point Taliesin&Evitel
They've been hinting towards the Titans being bad since Pandaira with the Klaxxi warning you get in their chamber after being exalted with them.
Since the Algalon fight in WotLK we know the titans have no problems with wiping out whole planets populations.
Watcher Malenia? I've heard about her... She is the blade of somebody, can't quite remember who, but I do remember that she is very tough, so tough that nobody has ever defeted her.
No, there was one, a man who simply was referred to as "Let me solo her". No one knows his true name. Only his strange preference of headwear and his savage ability.
I swear if there's in any way a Malenia questline, it better drop a cosmetic helm that looks like a jar
LOVE THAT SCARLET ROTUSSY
HAHAHA!
I don't even think she's ever known defeat....minus the jar incident.
Tali is taking so long to finish his set that, by the time he's done, he'll instantly replace it with some greens.
I like that Blizz is casting doubt on the Titans.
It's good for people to know that a separate class of people who rule over them do not have their best interests at heart -- no matter how lovely they seem.
"are we the baddies?"
common now. The Player Characters have been either the intentional or unintentional baddies SO many times, it wouldn't even slightly surprise me we're doing it again.
Regarding Perethales:
Thales, Thales of Miletusnoun. a presocratic Greek philosopher and astronomer (who predicted an eclipse in 585 BC) who was said by Aristotle to be the founder of physical science; he held that all things originated in water (624-546 BC)
Pere: Father.
Perethales: The Water Father! dun dun DUNN
Just by watching Tali's enthusiasm, I'm filled with joy. I'm happy about getting news, etc. But look at the sparkles in his eyes :) Oh never change
Eh, it's pretty morally grey, with the waters. After all it says _keep_ aligned with order, not *make.* And given that the alternative they just saw, with a dragon falling to chaos, was Galagrond, a dragon that could've killed Azeroth, it makes sense that purifying the waters to shield dragons from that, was a good act in their eyes. From an order point of view, anyway.
Elemental invasions remind me of the prepatch event for Cataclysm moreso than Legion, as Cata also had it being elementals leading into a dragon-themed expansion.
I don't even play wow, just love the lore and enjoying the "culture"
*edit* and them being cute spouses doin the online video game newscasts thing
The set isn't finished? You telling me it'll look even better? Hell yeah
It's kinda cool seeing the mic input on the device on the table. Kind of a "Yup you're hearing this" visually xD
Very enjoyable 10/10
Love the content, thanks for the quality work.
Tbf even in Norse mythology Týr is not the good guy everyone paints him to be. He tricked his best friend Fenris into being trapped, just because him and the other Gods were afraid of how powerful Fenris had become, even though he never really did anything wrong.
There was a prophecy that Fenris would bring about the Ragnaork, but it was a self fulfilling prophecy, because Fenris only got all pissed and murderous BECAUSE Týr and the other gods trapped and betrayed him. He never had any intention of killing the gods and destroying everything.
Yeah, Norse mythology is deep and full of drana/faults from the Vanir&Aesir
That's literal Assassins's creed garbage. The Gods KNEW Fenrir was to cause issues by literally tracing the lines of his fate, and Fenrir grew massive and showed no signs of slowing. For fuck sake, Fenrir's SONS devour the Sun and the Moon.
@@grimnir8872 they 'knew'? No they didn't, they were a jealous, insecure decietful bunch that would not accept any challenge to their power. Fenrir only agreed because Tyr promised he could bite off his hand if they tricked him. And only Tyr had the sense of honor to back up his promise after Fenrir was tied down.
And the sons of Fenrir are no damnation of Fenrir himself.
@@onnol917 Incorrect. In norse mythology, Fate (with a capital F) is the most powerful force that exists. The three Norns had already written Fenrir's fate to be what it is, but they never showed why it'd happen, leading it to become a self fulfilling prophecy when the gods tried to prevent it, but in the end it would've happened regardless because Fate decreed it to be so. The true villain in this isn't Fenrir or the gods, but the Norns. That's the thing with fate. Once inscribed onto Yggdrassill's bark, you can struggle against it all you want, but it will get you in the end no matter what you do. Its rather cruel like that.
It's been 13 years since the Cataclysm. It's frustrating that the writing team keeps going bigger and bigger with the cosmic scope of WOW instead of taking a break and refocusing on the smaller stories that have been developing in the decade since the Cataclysm on the initial continents that literally millions of people fell in love with. I'm reminded about what I love about The Mandalorian and Andor: rather than saying "hey, remember that single word referenced by throw away baddie in the OG trilogy? let's make an entire movie about that!" Favreau, Filoni, and Gilroy said "let's do a good story set in the Star Wars Universe." I think the latter works better than the former. I felt like the non-faction war stories in BFA were the latter, and the Titans/Old Gods/First Ones stuff in BFA and Shadowlands were the latter. I hope all this Titans/First Ones stuff turns out to be more Rogue One and less The Rise of Skywalker.
I could see our characters telling Alexstrasza and, of course because the water did its job... She refuses to acknowledge it. Because "even the most willful dragons" are under their thumb.
It sets up a great deal of complexity. Whether your character believes her or knows they're unable to do anything about it is up to you, but it would definitely feel very interesting that the player knows what's going on, but the Titans are a thousand steps ahead so figuring out step 3 doesn't mean shit.
It's a lot like your theory about the Jailer; it's not luck if you have all the time in the world for your pieces to fall into place.
One of the best videos! This had a spark of the energy and cheeky humor that I love. Glad to see you Tali. Sending hugs to Evi.
The set progress looks great, Tali! I have been loving this increasing trend of faux brick walls.
The way you go "what did you do Steve?" makes my soul leave my body 😂
I have to say that decision to make it a brick wall was an amazing one and it looks stunning. Also, you did a great job of it. :)
As for the weird story writing. I am honestly not sure how I feel about it. It feels very retcon- y and not that is not great writing.
Thanks for a another weekly reset. :)
Hey Tali, yesterday I had a day that would be a negative value on a 0-10 scale. Thanks for brightening my morning with a new Dragonflight video to get excited about!
I really like the idea of being able to fly my drake through the caverns under the isles. That would be a blast so fly through, especially if there was dungeons and entrances to areas that can only be found by flying around. Super excited for more lore!!
I'd really love to see the underground zone be a spiritual successor to the Azjol-Nerub we never got to see
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I really hope Khaz Algar has the same verticality as the overworld in Dragonflight. If Minecraft can have a megahuge underground expanses - there's no excuse for World of Warcraft to release a cramp tunnel. Starting at some peak and having to jump off--the same as Legion and Valdraken--just *feels* epic.
Ooh, yes, something like the Aberration map in Ark. No traditional fliers we're allowed, but we used gliders (which are similar to dragonriding mounts) to great effect.
@@jakkaljakobie8774 Yes! Like Aberration, there could even be multiple zones and multiple surface-entrances!
6:36 More like everyone forgets what heart _does._ It's actually the most OP ring of the Planeteer rings and probably serves as Captain Planet's moral compass, which also makes it the most important.
Last boss of expac: Odyn riding Galakrond.
it is unknown if titans does have good side of their own.
My wild card guess was that Odyn wasn't going to be an end boss, but a penultimate boss for 10.2 or 10.3. I'm getting more and more confident in my guess.
It depends if we are going to have another titan facility raid. If so, then I would totally see it. However if we don't end up going into any raid like Uldir, then I'm not so sure.
Genuinely belched out laughing "ON THE PLUS SIDE..........................." Well done, great way to start my morning.
Tali your ding noise announcing the new stuff is the bane of my poor pup’s existence. He absolutely wigs out when that ding happens.
Avalorne could be where Void-powered Knights of the Round Table lay sleeping. Yeah, that isn't likely, but my headcanon is very happy to mull this over. 😄
16:48 May be completely coincidental, but there was a Greek philosopher, astronomer and mathematician named _Thales,_ called one of the Seven Sages of Greece and the Father of Science.
This video was awesome. It really makes me look forward even more to DragonFlight. It would be awesome to see those Lore books at the prerelease video series we usually get.
I’m honestly shocked we havn’t yet escorted Odyn to Revendreth yet, but I remain hopeful there will be a third time we easily defeat Odyn
I'm not sure if the rules for mortals apply to Titan Keepers, but I'd imagine the Keepers to be so infused with Arcane magic, they go to the realm of Order.
SAME. Really wanting that guy to, you know, get punted to there or the Maw. SUCH a jerk.
Want Odyn punted in patch 9.0 Maw for a whole xpac, that’ll teach him humility
@@stormstrider1990 Well - the soul of Argus, who is a titan after all, went to the Shadowlands after we defeated him in Legion. Ok, granted, he messed that place up by breaking the Arbiter, but if a Titan soul can be sent to the Shadowlands a Titan Watcher surely can. Not to mention that we know that this can happen because Helya is in the Shadowlands.
We will sacrifice our dragon at the end of Dragonflight as is tradition with artifacts :)
A completely new movement system for flight isn't going to be canned, even if the single dragon is. This isn't anything like legion weapons or azurite necks
@@NoConsequenc3 He didn't say anything about the system being canned. Pretty sure the 'dragonslaying' was sarcasm/humor, hence the smile at the end of the statement.
@@NoConsequenc3 You underestimate just how depraved Blizzard can be.
Nah man we will fight on them!
@@MegaHelloKitty4 The long rumored fight on a flying mount system will finally be in game but only for 1 patch lol
I love your vibe! Makes me all excited in a childish way
Woah. Was that a Fifth Element reference for the stones? Nicely done lol
I can't wait for Sylvanas to be the one true aspect and save us all.
They need to add a mount equipment slot and release a bunch of equipment that lets ground mounts fly with any of the elements. That way you can get an arcane, fel or nature bauble that will give thematic flair to the magic that is enabling the ground mount to soar.
So we have the mystery dwarves, the titan facility, the mystery island...
Hopefully we'll be able to actually go to all of these places eventually :')
Mystery dwarves will be the things attacking the Dragon Isles, the titan facility is Tyrhold, and the island is the Dragon Isles or one of its satellites.
Let's be honest here, Steve has a storytelling appetite the size of the MCU but the planning capacity of the DCEU. He is not one to lay things down expansions in advance.
Nice work on the wall, Tali :) it looks really good.
My personal fan-theories about the Titans.
1. The original Drakonid and Dragonspawn are transformed titanforged. Their incredible sense of duty (also the Dragon's) is very similar to how the titanforged don't have any own agency beyond their duty. This is the titan's "corruption". Also, dragon architecture looks very similar to titan architecture. It wouldn't be surprising if some were former titan facilities, which begs the questin, where are the personnel?
2. Neltharius with his close connection to the earth was the only one to realize that ordering the elements and worldsoul is not "the only right way", that they might not want it. In an act of rebellion, he created the Dracthyr, a being that has the powers of dragons but is free of the titan's corruption. This is when the old gods struck and increased his concern to outright obsession to topple the titan's order.
3. Odyn created the Djardin. Their drive to kill dragons and appearance as magma-based big humanouds is too similar to be a coincidence. (Especially the fact that the Djardin focus on the black dragonflight, the once that have renounced the titan's duty.)
Dragons, (and thus dragonkin), come from elementals.
@@nazarenogualco1199 Are there any dragonkin of protodrakes though, or just the dragons infused with titan juice?
@@joshuaanson5939 if i am not mistaken the dragonkin are any other race that was touched by the dragons, they are half dragons
@@zennim125 It has never canonically been stated where the Dragonkin come from. The most direct was that a Q&A which said they are mortals who "hang out with dragons"
In Blackrock-descend, there is a boss who drains a netherdrake to transform acolytes into twilight-dragonkin. There are also Dragonkin in Shadowmoon-valley among the Dragonmaw who apparently learned the method as well.
On the dragon-isles however, we also meet children of dragonkin and they as a race have lived on the isles while it was hidden away.
My take is simply that the original Dragonkin were the titanforged inhabitats of the titanic-structures that Valdrakken or Wyrmrest-temple are based on.
@@therethan-family1234 first i need to give you credit because i did not remember those examples
while yeah, only direct way it was said was in a q&a, we can be sure of two things because of what we see in game
they only exist thanks to dragon influence, you need "something" whatever it is, from dragons that make other mortals into dragonkin, they having a whole cycle outside of that is beside the point, they become another species.
we know that what makes dragons what they are now is the keepers and titans blessings, that is why they are different from protodrakes, and what they have of different from these drakes is what they have in common with dragonkin, what we see that makes a dragonkin a dragonkin is exactly what differentiate the anatomy of a dragon and a protodrake
shape of mouth and head, extra limbs, connection to the aspects and so on
i really don't think they are titanforged because it would mean the curse of flesh affected them differently from the other races and also it breaks the timeline a little since the curse of flesh comes after the war of ancients
We just spent an entire expansion fighting Sylvannas and the Jailer with the whole "mind control is bad m'kaay" ; and now we're going to be fighting some people to keep mind controiling the dragons .... ok
Awesome vid 🤟🏻🔥😎
P.s - wall is looking awesome.
Could it be that aspects going crazy over time (Malygos, Murozond, Deathwing) is a side-effect of the Titans' water?
Xal'atath, dearest knaifu of my life, please return and give some snarky insight on all... that [vaguely points at Titans]
I'm still sad we never got the Sethrak as a playable race
I’ve been working on doing Balance of Power for each class (currently 6 classes are finished) and considering hour many times i have to go through Halls of Valor, I’m ready to kick Odyn’s ass for good. Of, and Eyir.
Oh my god, I can't even imagine the grinding fortitude. I did it once & that was quite enough for me.
So...... what you're saying is they're putting chemicals in the water that makes the frickin dragons slaves? Damn you Alex Jodyns.
20:00 I don't think Odyn had anything to do with the waters though. I thought it was said in lore and game that he disagreed so much with the idea of creating the aspects that he up and left at the point of their creation of not before.
I ordered dragonflight collectors edition on gear store blizzard, changed my mind an hour later and email to cancel my order - they refused to cancel my order because i dont meet requirements to cancel… absurd
I’m a firm believer and have been saying for a long time that the Old Gods are not evil. Just like the Light isn’t Good. Our moral understanding is well beyond Cosmic. I’m a firm believer of The Old Gods being part of The First One’s. If not them directly, the spawn of them. It makes sense because simply only the player canonically interacted with them hence our interacting with First One relics in SL. I believe… we are gonna be quite surprised that N’zoth wasn’t wrong””. It’s a Cosmic fight, not a moral one. Right, wrong, our understanding is invalid.
eh no.
it is unknown if titans and order are slaves manipulated and controlled by someone else since titans are still good.
That wall is looking good! Nice job on the DIY set; I hope yall have some time to rest in the next ever.
13:44 but Taliesin... you were among those that said the light contains evil
Love the deep dive!! Keep up the great work
19:40 A liquid being applied to dragons and their eggs to make them subservient? _Now I'm really kicking myself for not reserving Cricket as my bronze drakthyr name before it got taken._
You must have gotten the new camera set up because it looks really nice.
The timing is starting to get to me. Wrath Classic launched on Monday (midnight) after a Bank Holiday weekend. Prepatch will go live as October week is ending...
Your positivity makes me wanna go back to the game! Never stopped following the channel
MY MFGOD !!!!!! 13:10 gave me goose bumps and chills running down my spine ! W O A H !!!
Perethales seems to be consisted by two greek-origin parts;
Pere (Περί) meaning “around” in greek and also being the first part of many archaic (and modern) greek names
Thales (Θαλής) which is actually a name itself, Thales of Miletus (Θαλής ο Μιλήσιος) known pre-Socratic pholosopher and also Mathematician and Astronomer among others. Now, the interesting part connected to the wow lore is that he was a hylozoist (one who thinks that matter is alive i.e. containing soul(s) (Υλοζωιστής).
Also, Thales is known for his theoretical and practical use of geometry, and is often considered the first person in the western world to have applied deductive reasoning to geometry (and by extension is often considered the first western mathematician). Geometry resonates a lot with Zereth Mortis, the First Ones etc.
Could that be another hint?
P.s Love your videos :)
“THEIRE PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER TO TURN THE FREAKING DRAGONS OBEDIENT“
I rly wish the first ones just got retconned out of existence
Dragonriding mounts are like artefact weapons in that we're gonna abandon them immediately at the end of the expansion for no reason and everyone is going to hate it
You keep me playing WoW! I swear your entusiasm for WoW is contagious! /hugs
Serious question. How does a prepatch event during Shadowlands work in a time line when Dragonflight is post time skip? Is the time skip at the prepatch launch and Shadowlands effectively years in the past despite being current tier?
Tali's wall making skills are legendary
I think the lore books work well if we steadily progress towards letting more people know about those things and them becoming an actual thing. It gets weird when these 4th wall lore texts somehow suddenly become expected common knowledge.
That M+ mounts looks like a mount you buy from a rep vendor. At revered.
Nah, it looks like a mount you'd buy at Honored, with a recolor at Revered
what about light light is good not evil it is unknown if light is brainwashed by someone else.
Also about Avalon, there is a city/port from the Tolkien universe called Avallone on the island of Tol-Eressea wich is near Numenor wich is also called atalante in sindarin(elvish).
So it is not so far fetch that there is an other island (sunken or not) near the dragons isles just like in the old tales of Avalon / Numenor /Atlantide.
sorry my english is limited.
It's worth pointing out as well that Avalon in legend is shrouded by mist, reachable from any body of water... Rather similar to how Kalimdor, Pandaria, Dragon Isles, and the backside of Azeroth had all been shrouded themselves.
Love your D20 sign! Mythic Plus Mount should leave a cool stream behind your dragon mounts wings like Ashes of Alar
Ty for all the lore news 💜💛
16:07 - I thought this was fairly obvious after what he did to Helya XD. One of the few instances where I sided with a big-bad and wished they had won in the raid.
I think the books should be attached to a quest (perhaps the zone quest that all dungeons come with), or not included at all. Lore is not storytelling, but it is a tool that can heighten and inform the story being told. If the information in these books is not worth of influencing the story, then maybe it shouldn't be included at all. As was pointed out, Alexstrazsa would want to know this information (we may even find out that she already knows), and in addition to that, our characters have a relationship with Odyn himself; we could and should confront him with this information. It all seems like an unnecessary detachment of the overarching lore and the story of Dragonflight. It is also worth noting that Halls of Valor is a dungeon we will be doing for the sake of mythic+ variety and thus squandering this Lore-fueled reason to go back there and hit some major story moments.
Blizzard has always put lore in books laying about in the world - in prior years, you needed to actually keep your eyes open for books laying around that you could click on and read (the old Sargeras lore was still in books in the game last time I checked, even, lol!) So...I kinda like it being lore you need to go out of your way to find *in-game*. It's not just handed to you - now, if all important lore was handed down this way, it'd be crappy. But it's just fun lore tid-bits our characters wouldn't already know.
yeah would be great to be able to show these to SOMEONE. Like bring this lore stuff into the story in some meaningful way
but dragon aspects are not evil they are good protectors.
As a shaman I already have my heart (of azeroth) at the maelstrom... wait, that probably IS what blizz is aiming at.
T&E&Children I just, simply, LOVE YOU GUYS! The BEST WoW content MAKERS! On a topic of an subject, ever since WotLK and stories of Titans around Storm Peaks, and Legion Warrior Class Order with Odyn, Whole Titanic stuff seemed quite fishy to me...
Perhaps those dwarves are actually ones we’ve already met, the earthen in Deepholm perhaps? In that case, the book would have been written around or before the end of the Black Empire, before Helya and Ra-den walled the elements off to trap the Old Gods armies
I'm awarding +1 bonus point for Taliesin's Rings of Power Prince Durin quote reference, which apparently has gone unnoticed by most people here....
Titans next on the raidboss chopping block! Cause why not its what wow does, churns out the lore thru raids.
Oh no. I'm getting hyped again
Brick wall lookin sweeeeet. Good work Tali :)
Zereth Ordus... Seems like every cosmic power has its own realm made by the First Ones. Zereth Mortis is death, Ordus is order, maybe there is a Zereth Vita, a Zereth Chaos, Zereth Lux and Zereth Tenebris...
I mean the picture of the first dwarf is literally infused with Azerite power, and blue and yellow as everything else in SLs and what not.
I mean at least the ground mount doesn't look silly in mythic plus dungeons. You know.. on the ground :P
Yoggy's connection to death is probably why we got zombie dragons through Gala
Ok, in game thing. Some players might not want to RP telling the dragons this information, thus there should never be an "in game" exposition of said information. But some players would definitely want to let the dragons know, thus there will be sometime in the future a way or dialogue or something in game that will let players know that the dragons have this information. It is new and fresh lore right now, give it some time (a patch or two) for the writers and developers to get said information into the minds of the npc's. I think it would be VERY strange if at the same exact time the player base finds out this information that the npc's would have dialogue already discussing it.
Hmm, so how does this blue bot reveal impact what we know about the black dragonflight and their corruption? Did Neltharion learn of the mind controlling waters from an old god's whispers? Was it this Revelation that proved the initial seed that peeled away his loyalty and fidelity to the other aspects and led to his overall corruption? And did the other aspects seal their fate when they closed off the dragon isles during the sundering before they knew they were betrayed, preventing them from bringing the black dragons back under control?
Talie and Evi: Release a new Weekly Reset
Me: Eeeeeeeeeee !!
I noticed you mentioned King Arthur’s link to Avalon, but didn’t mention his full title Arthur Pendragon - where dragons were his avatar.
Ground mount might be kinda dumb but it's still there to show off for bragging rights and I honestly feel that's the most important