the body without organs explains SO much about everything for me. I am autistic and have autistic children. I have read the book and felt the concepts resonate with all my organs. Honestly has completely changes my perception and my live. fkin awesome.
This sounds wonderful! I think the BwO is a work of art (and Deleuze and Guattari got it from Artaud's writing). But even more an inspiration for therapy and medicine to understand resistance and anomalies not as a deviation from the norm, but as a productive and vital force.
@@Zentapir what you said. I have just started incorporating it into my life. It's already helped the relationship between me and my daughter. Typing on phone is hard .. I am exploring it in PhD. I was looking for a theory that didn't measure everything from the "norm" schizo analysis . 🥰 So happy I found it.
Yes, in retrospect I find it rather chaotic and far too short. I hope to make things clearer in 2023. The diagram is based on Guattari's concept of subjectivity (in chaosmosis), in that I have assigned the quadrants to the concepts from Anti-Oedipus and A Thousand Plateaus. In this way, intensities (quadrant on the left) are confronted with the coding (quadrant on the right). The left one is therfore the qudrant of the BwO (previously with Guattari, quadrant of flows and quadrant of the reference universes). I hope my book on this will also be published in 2023, the translation into English will take a few months.
Thank you for the video! I'm always looking for videos to forward to those of my friends, who I think would have fun getting into D&G. And the body without organs is kinda my favourite concept. Since I always seem to learn that I have more to learn about it -and I always feel intrigued with what I learn. Sort of a gift that keeps on giving. I love this method of explaining through a dialogue, and I like all of you characters. But I must say.. the pictures sort of got me more lost -and I'm a person who learns, manly by images, and creating mental concepts that are sort of spacial. Maybe it's a really hard thing to make two dimensional -or at least I think these two dimensional images needs to be given more time to be explained. Each of the parts of each image maybe could use some more examples and context before moving on. I think the meanings must be given some "time" to sink in, before moving on maybe? Anyway this seems like a cool project! Will definetly check out the rest of your videos!
Thanks for your feedback! I have to admit, the BwO video feels very dated now. It's not really the introduction I was hoping for. Even the next "BwO in Context" I find much more coherent. For an introduction to my diagrams, "How to drive other people creasy" is worth checking out. I have also planned a remake to the BwO video, it is really the best concept to get into Deleuze/Guattari. But I think this will be more towards the end of the year with new videos.
Its actually pretty genius, not to mention very helpful to someone who is interested but feeling a bit lost, for you to have skimmed the other videos (all of which I watched before finding this one) currently on TH-cam, which are all at least like 30 min to an hour, and to condense and interconnect the key takeaways and merge them together. I also appreciate the 11:11 numerology lol.
Hi, I stumbled upon you videos when trying to get into D&G. I see that you ask for a feedback and I am not usually responding. It must be frustrating to put so much work into it and not get much of a response. To put it shortly, I am lost, and not much is helping yet. Sometimes I have a feeling that I understand and the next moment I am lost again. I had this feeling when reading Wittgenstein for the first few months. Later I got used to the language and now I can say i sometimes understand W. (what and why he is saying what he is saying). I have listened to "philosophise this" podcast on Deleuze and i find the concepts intriguing (machines, rhizomes) --- but BwO is still too elusive for me. Maybe it would help me to start from some more simple concepts if there are any. Sometimes it feels like the concepts are used quite vaguely - but it is most probably just my own misunderstanding causing it. There is not much more I could say. I just wanted to let you know I was watching your videos and I am struggling to understand.
Thanks for commenting. Right to the first assumption: Yes it was surprising how little feedback comes on TH-cam. But I love making these videos, so little feedback is enough. Of course I always hope that my introductions to Deleuze/Guattari make it easier to get started. But I'm also learning a lot right now, so I hope the videos will soon explain everything perfectly. But I also have a very specific focus on subjectivity and change in Anti-Oedipus and A Thousand Plateaus. there is a Discord server that I find helpful on deleuze/guattari. If I can find the link, I'll post it. ... Found it:discord.gg/XZufwfuNm7
In AÖ I've come to think of the BWO as the historically conditioned surface of collective unconscious subjectivity, which connects environmental-cultural affects to subjective percepts. The socius is a central political sovereignity which remodels and restructures the body without organs because the bwo itself is essentially anarchistic and asocial. You could read this as a process of subjectification but focused narrowly on unconscious desires.
Yes, I think that's appropriate. But that is only how the body without organs appears. He is (according to my understanding) the "conditioned surface" but he was made by the desire machines to it. He is also the dynamic that resists this coding and always allows new connections. On the connection of the Socius and the body without organs I have still little gone into, I take that on the plan when I can start again with new videos.
@@Zentapir I think the notion of the socius is really important because it makes their whole project political. People confuse the socius with the social machine but that's incredibly wrong and dangerous. It amounts to saying that capital or the king is society. Also we can look at different configurations of coexistences of socii, as there are instances where the Earth and capital are both provoding their respective surfaces, like for indigenous societies with Western nations surrounding them.
@@snackspositive yes. for me, however, it is rather the conception of subjectivity that is revolutionary. It is of course, not separate from society. For example, I have a video related to the social machines, mainly to introduce guilt as a concept. It would probably take an hour to summarize the entanglements and references of social transformations. And it would take some more research for me to present it accurately. But it's definitely on my schedule :-)
From a scientific standpoint look at Micheal Levin's work on bioelectric fields controlling morphogenesis. When we talk about the BwO being virtual, perhaps it is worthwhile to consider whether it is possible that the body without organs could be a something like a quantum field effect over the organism's bioelectric patterns. I have many strange bwo experiences myself that make me think about what is talked about in the postulates of linguistics and the geology of morals in this way.
Levin sounds interesting, and while the bwo challenges us to think beyond structured and controlled forms of existence. I am probably far off, but from a only brief look at Levin, but the research seems to be about the construction of structure (and insights into how organisms develop). For me, the BwO is more about resisting and deconstructing those very sorts of organised structures, or - even more - about (strange) experiences, so these experiences you talk about seem more related to the Deleuze/Guattari concept.
@@Zentapir Levin is an engineer(ew), he is very much in the same vein as Jacques Loeb in the history of biology. I am not saying that the engineering aspects of Levin's work are deleuzeguattarian, but the same principles may still apply (e.g. even the IDF applies D&G concepts to stirate Palestinian spaces)I am asking if the material factors that make what Levin's doing work are also how bodies without organs work. This could bring me to a digression about deleuze and guattari in relationship to STEM disciplines. They were clearly very caught up on scientific research, I have a feeling that most critical academics nowadays don't know much about what is going on in their universities STEM departments, or at least don't talk much about some problematic stuff, which is unfortunate. D&G's knowledge of membrane research seems to be cutting edge for 1980 when ATP was written, I'm curious about that. Anyways, it's safe to ignore the last paragraph. Recall how professor challenger explained that the earth is a body without organs and that it is continually trying to escape stratification, I'm running out of steam here, so I am just going to mention a few more things without the effort, Let's talk about how my bwo works, so take the playlist I shared with you, earlier on, I was gnashing teeth and clinching my jaws, but after changing teeth mouths and telescopes(in the playlist) I can't stop smiling and my tongue won't stop slithering out and flicking around since I came out on the other side. That's just one example, strange things happened. For me, this points to what was said about incorporeal transformations and language giving life orders. I haven't plugged this all into electrophysiology, the biogeomagnetosphere, plane of consistency, and quantum woo noology here, but that is my hunch for explaining how the weird things that went down work. I still can't get over how I beat God in an online lyrics based video game that was based on a thousand plateaus.
I love to hear that😁 I really worked hard to get something out of their philosophy, that is simple and practical, but still connected to the original concepts...
Oh je, einerseits nicht das was ich hören will 🙈 andererseits ein super Feedback! 🙆🏼♂️Und im Nachhinein war es vermutlich wirklich zu viel den oK in drei verschiedenen Büchern im wenigen Minuten zu erklären. Das nächste Video ist wesentlich fokussierter auf die wunschproduktion & die drei Synthesen im Anti-Ödipus. Und dazu packe ich wohl Mal 2 Seiten Kurz- Definitionen in die Beschreibung, um zu klären wie ich die zentralen Konzepte nutze. Also, hab gleich ein paar Ideen kommen😁. Insofern vielen Dank!
@@Zentapir Der Dank gilt auf jeden Fall dir. Mir ist im Nachgang aufgefallen das vielleicht eine Unterscheidung zu anderen bekannten Konzeption vom besprochenen Gegenstand (den ich ja auch nicht ausmachen konnte) sehr hilfreich wäre! Bin froh doch noch was konstruktives sagen zu können.
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the body without organs explains SO much about everything for me. I am autistic and have autistic children. I have read the book and felt the concepts resonate with all my organs. Honestly has completely changes my perception and my live. fkin awesome.
This sounds wonderful! I think the BwO is a work of art (and Deleuze and Guattari got it from Artaud's writing). But even more an inspiration for therapy and medicine to understand resistance and anomalies not as a deviation from the norm, but as a productive and vital force.
@@Zentapir what you said. I have just started incorporating it into my life. It's already helped the relationship between me and my daughter. Typing on phone is hard .. I am exploring it in PhD. I was looking for a theory that didn't measure everything from the "norm" schizo analysis . 🥰 So happy I found it.
Your character freaks me out but love the video
I understand within my head, if I try to explain what the BWO is, I suddenly don’t understand.
Also that ending is wild
The dissolution of explanations may also be a process of the BWO :-)
Your synthesis diagramming could be unpacked a bit more. Nice work at including previous attempts at a definition, however much the BWO dislikes them.
Yes, in retrospect I find it rather chaotic and far too short. I hope to make things clearer in 2023. The diagram is based on Guattari's concept of subjectivity (in chaosmosis), in that I have assigned the quadrants to the concepts from Anti-Oedipus and A Thousand Plateaus. In this way, intensities (quadrant on the left) are confronted with the coding (quadrant on the right). The left one is therfore the qudrant of the BwO (previously with Guattari, quadrant of flows and quadrant of the reference universes). I hope my book on this will also be published in 2023, the translation into English will take a few months.
Just to say, this by far my favourite channel.
Very happy that there are other people as crazy as me in this topic
Thank you for the video! I'm always looking for videos to forward to those of my friends, who I think would have fun getting into D&G. And the body without organs is kinda my favourite concept. Since I always seem to learn that I have more to learn about it -and I always feel intrigued with what I learn. Sort of a gift that keeps on giving.
I love this method of explaining through a dialogue, and I like all of you characters. But I must say.. the pictures sort of got me more lost -and I'm a person who learns, manly by images, and creating mental concepts that are sort of spacial. Maybe it's a really hard thing to make two dimensional -or at least I think these two dimensional images needs to be given more time to be explained. Each of the parts of each image maybe could use some more examples and context before moving on. I think the meanings must be given some "time" to sink in, before moving on maybe? Anyway this seems like a cool project! Will definetly check out the rest of your videos!
Thanks for your feedback! I have to admit, the BwO video feels very dated now. It's not really the introduction I was hoping for. Even the next "BwO in Context" I find much more coherent. For an introduction to my diagrams, "How to drive other people creasy" is worth checking out. I have also planned a remake to the BwO video, it is really the best concept to get into Deleuze/Guattari. But I think this will be more towards the end of the year with new videos.
Its actually pretty genius, not to mention very helpful to someone who is interested but feeling a bit lost, for you to have skimmed the other videos (all of which I watched before finding this one) currently on TH-cam, which are all at least like 30 min to an hour, and to condense and interconnect the key takeaways and merge them together. I also appreciate the 11:11 numerology lol.
That's good, finally someone who appreciates that! Maybe now all videos will be 11:11 long :-D
I have been thinking about the concept of angels a lot lately and noticed that detailed as well. Schizos together: strong lol
Hi, I stumbled upon you videos when trying to get into D&G. I see that you ask for a feedback and I am not usually responding. It must be frustrating to put so much work into it and not get much of a response. To put it shortly, I am lost, and not much is helping yet. Sometimes I have a feeling that I understand and the next moment I am lost again. I had this feeling when reading Wittgenstein for the first few months. Later I got used to the language and now I can say i sometimes understand W. (what and why he is saying what he is saying). I have listened to "philosophise this" podcast on Deleuze and i find the concepts intriguing (machines, rhizomes) --- but BwO is still too elusive for me. Maybe it would help me to start from some more simple concepts if there are any. Sometimes it feels like the concepts are used quite vaguely - but it is most probably just my own misunderstanding causing it. There is not much more I could say. I just wanted to let you know I was watching your videos and I am struggling to understand.
Thanks for commenting. Right to the first assumption: Yes it was surprising how little feedback comes on TH-cam. But I love making these videos, so little feedback is enough. Of course I always hope that my introductions to Deleuze/Guattari make it easier to get started. But I'm also learning a lot right now, so I hope the videos will soon explain everything perfectly. But I also have a very specific focus on subjectivity and change in Anti-Oedipus and A Thousand Plateaus. there is a Discord server that I find helpful on deleuze/guattari. If I can find the link, I'll post it. ... Found it:discord.gg/XZufwfuNm7
In AÖ I've come to think of the BWO as the historically conditioned surface of collective unconscious subjectivity, which connects environmental-cultural affects to subjective percepts. The socius is a central political sovereignity which remodels and restructures the body without organs because the bwo itself is essentially anarchistic and asocial. You could read this as a process of subjectification but focused narrowly on unconscious desires.
Yes, I think that's appropriate. But that is only how the body without organs appears. He is (according to my understanding) the "conditioned surface" but he was made by the desire machines to it. He is also the dynamic that resists this coding and always allows new connections. On the connection of the Socius and the body without organs I have still little gone into, I take that on the plan when I can start again with new videos.
@@Zentapir I think the notion of the socius is really important because it makes their whole project political. People confuse the socius with the social machine but that's incredibly wrong and dangerous. It amounts to saying that capital or the king is society. Also we can look at different configurations of coexistences of socii, as there are instances where the Earth and capital are both provoding their respective surfaces, like for indigenous societies with Western nations surrounding them.
@@snackspositive yes. for me, however, it is rather the conception of subjectivity that is revolutionary. It is of course, not separate from society. For example, I have a video related to the social machines, mainly to introduce guilt as a concept. It would probably take an hour to summarize the entanglements and references of social transformations. And it would take some more research for me to present it accurately. But it's definitely on my schedule :-)
tfw brain-states elicit a compulsion to symbolically explain themselves
The ending was brilliant
This is a fantastic video, love the animation at the end
Thanks for the Feedback!
From a scientific standpoint look at Micheal Levin's work on bioelectric fields controlling morphogenesis. When we talk about the BwO being virtual, perhaps it is worthwhile to consider whether it is possible that the body without organs could be a something like a quantum field effect over the organism's bioelectric patterns.
I have many strange bwo experiences myself that make me think about what is talked about in the postulates of linguistics and the geology of morals in this way.
The nofap stuff in How to make yourself a BwO is true btw.
Levin sounds interesting, and while the bwo challenges us to think beyond structured and controlled forms of existence. I am probably far off, but from a only brief look at Levin, but the research seems to be about the construction of structure (and insights into how organisms develop). For me, the BwO is more about resisting and deconstructing those very sorts of organised structures, or - even more - about (strange) experiences, so these experiences you talk about seem more related to the Deleuze/Guattari concept.
@@Zentapir Levin is an engineer(ew), he is very much in the same vein as Jacques Loeb in the history of biology. I am not saying that the engineering aspects of Levin's work are deleuzeguattarian, but the same principles may still apply (e.g. even the IDF applies D&G concepts to stirate Palestinian spaces)I am asking if the material factors that make what Levin's doing work are also how bodies without organs work.
This could bring me to a digression about deleuze and guattari in relationship to STEM disciplines. They were clearly very caught up on scientific research, I have a feeling that most critical academics nowadays don't know much about what is going on in their universities STEM departments, or at least don't talk much about some problematic stuff, which is unfortunate. D&G's knowledge of membrane research seems to be cutting edge for 1980 when ATP was written, I'm curious about that.
Anyways, it's safe to ignore the last paragraph.
Recall how professor challenger explained that the earth is a body without organs and that it is continually trying to escape stratification, I'm running out of steam here, so I am just going to mention a few more things without the effort,
Let's talk about how my bwo works, so take the playlist I shared with you, earlier on, I was gnashing teeth and clinching my jaws, but after changing teeth mouths and telescopes(in the playlist) I can't stop smiling and my tongue won't stop slithering out and flicking around since I came out on the other side. That's just one example, strange things happened. For me, this points to what was said about incorporeal transformations and language giving life orders.
I haven't plugged this all into electrophysiology, the biogeomagnetosphere, plane of consistency, and quantum woo noology here, but that is my hunch for explaining how the weird things that went down work.
I still can't get over how I beat God in an online lyrics based video game that was based on a thousand plateaus.
Dude this is great. I really like your approach to deluze. You have a very great perspective
I love to hear that😁 I really worked hard to get something out of their philosophy, that is simple and practical, but still connected to the original concepts...
I'm more confused now. 🤣🤣🤣
Then the next video, the bwo in context will make everything absolutely clear :-)
@@Zentapir "absolutely" ?? Damn. I'm curious now.
Oh course. After this everything should be clear about the bwo :-) th-cam.com/video/BVHxHLs7bcc/w-d-xo.html
About music, righthhhh?
It could be :-D I am no expert in music, but everything's possible
I liked your inclusion of all the videos i've been watching
Ich habs mir zweimal angeschaut und wirklich nicht verstanden. Kann auch leider garnicht konkret sagen woran, einfach alles irgendwie.
Oh je, einerseits nicht das was ich hören will 🙈 andererseits ein super Feedback! 🙆🏼♂️Und im Nachhinein war es vermutlich wirklich zu viel den oK in drei verschiedenen Büchern im wenigen Minuten zu erklären. Das nächste Video ist wesentlich fokussierter auf die wunschproduktion & die drei Synthesen im Anti-Ödipus. Und dazu packe ich wohl Mal 2 Seiten Kurz- Definitionen in die Beschreibung, um zu klären wie ich die zentralen Konzepte nutze. Also, hab gleich ein paar Ideen kommen😁. Insofern vielen Dank!
@@Zentapir Der Dank gilt auf jeden Fall dir. Mir ist im Nachgang aufgefallen das vielleicht eine Unterscheidung zu anderen bekannten Konzeption vom besprochenen Gegenstand (den ich ja auch nicht ausmachen konnte) sehr hilfreich wäre! Bin froh doch noch was konstruktives sagen zu können.