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- What are the common character traits of geniuses?
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James Gleick, who wrote a biography of Isaac Newton, describes the reclusive scientist as "antisocial, unpleasant and bitter." Newton fought with his friends "as much as with his enemies," Gleick says. In contrast, Richard Feynman, the subject of another Gleick biography, was "gregarious, funny, a great dancer." The superficial differences between the men go on and on. "Isaac Newton, I believe, never had sex," Gleick says. "Richard Feynman, I believe, had plenty."
So what could these two men possibly have in common? According to Gleick, when it came to making the great discoveries of science, both men were alone in their heads. This also applies to great geniuses like Charles Babbage, Alan Turing and Ada Byron. "They all had the ability to concentrate with a sort of intensity that is hard for mortals like me to grasp," Gleick says, "a kind of passion for abstraction that doesn't lend itself to easy communication."
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JAMES GLEICK:
James Gleick was born in New York City in 1954. He graduated from Harvard College in 1976 and helped found Metropolis, an alternative weekly newspaper in Minneapolis. Then he worked for ten years as an editor and reporter for The New York Times.
His first book, Chaos, was a National Book Award and Pulitzer Prize finalist and a national bestseller. He collaborated with the photographer Eliot Porter on Nature's Chaos and with developers at Autodesk on Chaos: The Software. His next books include the best-selling biographies, Genius: The Life and Science of Richard Feynman and Isaac Newton, both shortlisted for the Pulitzer Prize, as well as Faster and What Just Happened. They have been translated into twenty-five languages.
In 1989-90 he was the McGraw Distinguished Lecturer at Princeton University. For some years he wrote the Fast Forward column in the New York Times Magazine.
With Uday Ivatury, he founded The Pipeline, a pioneering New York City-based Internet service in 1993, and was its chairman and chief executive officer until 1995. He was the first editor of the Best American Science Writing series. He is active on the boards of the Authors Guild and the Key West Literary Seminar.
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James Gleick: I’m tempted to say smart, creative people have no particularly different set of character traits than the rest of us except for being smart and creative, and those being character traits...
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The most common trait of a genius is that they're usually more intelligent than everyone else.
"usually"...right....
honest answer
Thats stating the obvious. The video was about characterising the experience of being very intelligent.
Dude after this observation you just made you must be one of these geniuses
@@shorx9199 RICHARD FEYNMAN said 'he was just hard woking' and everyone else thought he was genius .
EINSTEIN said- he was more curious than others.
SO ,
genius = (curiosity + hard work)
He forgot the most important : an abnormal level of critical thinking and patience. There is a quote attributed to Einstein (not sure if he actually said it but it would make sense) "I am not more clever I just sit longer with a problem".
I love that. Timing is everything. We are all on control of the most powerful computer on the planet, yet most of us ignore it and become stagnant in the trivial mundane day to day tasks.
Oh yeah explains why I'm ALWAYS in my head and searching endlessly for answers but it brings me the most profound insight and understanding into life. People think I'm so smart and have my shit together but really I just take the liberty to think more.
I think Einstein had a good point, tho he downplayed his immense creative ability. Genius is a sort of obsession to solve a problem.
In Gleick's biography of Feynman someone states that Feynman was someone who really thought deeply about things.
Not all intelligent people are wise ! Wisdom is the key for me.
My grandpa grew up very poor in Mexico with very little education. However, when he worked at a mine for some time, some Americans were so impressed by the inventions he made to streamline his work, that they wanted to bring him to the US to have him study engineering and work for them. I feel that he was a genius that didn't receive the nurturing necessary to bloom properly.
“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”
@@leoN13312 who said this?
@@karleenespinal2243 Stephen Jay Gould
The greatest minds walk amongst you
What’s the name of your grandpa ?
Geniuses don't want to be alone. They aren't default introverts. It just happens because nobody really understands them. Imagine you are the only human on earth surrounded by dogs. Dogs make good company but the conversations will be wanting. They aren't going to understand half the things you do and half the things you say. It's that kind of loneliness.
I wonder why scientology asks its members if they ever had beastiality with dogs on its application form
You are the first person in the comment section to understand the loneliness of genius.
Only genius, I suspect, would know the down side of genius.
I was identified as a genius at a very young age.
When I took a test to see how far into genius mode I was when I was 18 I was horrified to be deemed smarter than Einstein.
In my mind, "how am I ever going to find a mate that is similar to me" rang through my head like a statement of self torture.
Genius means rarity. Being the anomaly is never great. Even in grade one I would never tell the teachers all the details that were in my head. "They" don't have the ability to understand.
I live in a world run by idiots. The more you can see, the more you see that other humans are operating with very limited and often untruthful data.
So, you see, you are not alone.
There are other geniuses in this world; however, telling the truth is a dangerous endeavour in a world run by professional liars.
Inventing things and telling the truth can get you killed.
In a world where virtually every human on this planet is so stupid that they are easy to lie to has lead this world to be controlled by professional liars.
Stay safe, and remember, the media was set up by those that have the most to lose, truth is their enemy.
@@Skyborn- very interesting. At the end you mean that thr media is an important part of society and there are people trying to destroy it? And also is the media actually about to get wiped out. Sorry if these are very dumb questions
@@Skyborn- I think you'll find like-minded people at r/iamverysmart :)
@@Skyborn- Humans are naive not viscerally dumb.
He forgot the most glaring commonality between Newton and Feynman. That being the fact that neither of them even lifted.
that is funny observation and a good point that is noted
CanditoTrainingHQ jonny mah boii. do you even stil lift anymore or what goo
They all walked long distances. Their Cardio owned
haha this is GOLD
lmfao
A passion for abstraction. Wow, that pretty much sums it up. There's a quote, "small minds discuss people, mediocre minds discuss events, great minds discuss ideas".
Ideas always the best foundation for conversation
Things that had to do with aloneness. See, loneliness isn't a problem. It's an *opportunity.* Come on, argue me.
I must have a god mind. Most of my ideas are about people 😨
Eleanor Roosevelt
Well I wanna discuss like a million of ideas coming up on my mind but the problem is no one gets it they all talk about silly school controversies, that I never find interesting and they are very dominated by celebs that is something I never get. When i discuss idea they are all like ''idk'' ''that's a bit boring'' "OKAY u crazy thinking of that'' I always end up feeling lonely mostlythey are annoying friend, mostly I try to fit in that's it. And always find string to ideas or end up connecting dot up in my head till I get a decent outcome.
"A kind of passion for abstraction that doesn't lend itself to easy communication" - Beautifully put!
Not only beautifully put, but also exactly true
I think this was the simplest and truest commonality between geniuses. That loneliness that comes with the fact that you can’t communicate your abstract thoughts as well you intend to to others, I think that’s what drives geniuses to try and express these abstract thoughts in equations-Einstein; paintings-da Vinci; tunes-Mozart, even words- Shakespeare. They don’t work well with others or go to others with their thoughts because they won’t understand, their expressions convey their abstract thoughts and can lead them into better understanding of those thoughts in a way no other person could, not even a fellow genius (subject to his own abstract thoughts and biases)
Snoop Dogg ain't about that genius life, dawg. I don't know about all them geniuses, but I know I ain't never had no problems communicating my thoughts to others. Maybe them geniuses just ain't had the right crew to roll with, you feel me? Abstract thoughts ain't no thang, I can express myself just fine through my rhymes and flow. Don't need no fancy equations or paintings to get my point across. Gonna keep it real, dawg.
@@snoop_official STOP SMOKING REEFER!
Interesting take. I'd thought he was more talking about 'aloneness' rather than 'loneliness'. The former being a state in which one can focus intensely on developing an idea/ design/ artwork/etc, without the intrusions of others breaking the mental "flow", the latter being a state of discomfort brought about by an unfulfilled need for company and connection.
Mozart and Shakespeare were very gregarious, loved sex and socialising. Maybe science and art geniuses are of necessity different.
Many things -- Da Vinci*, actually
Disclaimer: imitiating these wont make you a genius.
fake it till you make it
türk müsün
Dammit
But you can't imitate them, because to imitate them you would have to be able to work out the problems they did. It would be a hard job imitating an extremely intelligent person well if you aren't already intelligent..
Yeah. You just gotta be a psychopath is all
the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know.
This is true, I thought I know a lot of things when I was 16, politics, history, science, philosophy, logic, but it all changed when I was 17, My world view shifted, I felt enlightened, I feel like I know more than the average person......then I turned 18, my pool of knowledge is just a spec, I know so little and I have alot more to learn.
@@SignificantPressure100 do you receive some sort of encyclopedia on your birthdays?😆
PARADOX he’s not aging, he’s leveling up
The less you see there is to learn, the more scary it gets because you know there is a lot out there to be discovered yet
within the mystery of the unknown
@@timewalker6654 theirs the internet now
I feel inteligent people are more prone to depression. They just naturally known more and cannot accept a false reality. They need the truth and the truth is almost always bitter.
Also, when you are that informed, that smart, that curious, that ambitious, etc. it doesn’t leave a lot of people in the world with which to enjoy socializing. People start to seem simple, benign, and boring. It must be a very lonely and frustrating existence.
how would you define truth ?how do you know you experiencing reality is truth ?maybe the dream is real ?
I'm pretty sure this is a psychological effect? It's called the dunning-kreuger effect, and it's this thing where a smart person lacks confidence because they know so much but they're aware that they don't know much in the grand scheme, while a not-so-smart person has confidence because they're ignorant.
Wrong
yeah, no. Many brilliant ppl accept false reality, if it is in fashion. IQ doesn't trump psychology.
I'm surprised to not see curiosity as the main subject here. Aside from being smart, what I've observed about these characters is simply a love of learning about a particular subject. Curiosity. It's what allows you to create that unbroken concentration. If you don't have it then concentration is a battle you constantly are fatigued by. If you do have it, you are energized by everything you discover about your subject. They follow their bliss as Joseph Campbell would say.
Soo true and to be honest I see this in myself lol, humble brag
Curiosity is just a natural human trait. It's evolved for our survival.
Nope. Lots of people are curious and they never become geniuses. Most children are curious. They do not grow up to become super smart.
A passion for abstraction is a more accurate description as well as an immense ability to concentrate is. This is the essence, while curiosity is more of a consequence of those things - a side product
The more complex the thoughts, the more intricate the picture, the harder to communicate and display to people
And hence the feeling of being alone for not being able to easily explain what you're working on or what you're about to discover.
it's a lonely experience
Dam Ned you can’t determine somebody’s intelligence based on their ability to communicate.
Trying to explain everything complex is when the "craziness" and "insanity" thoughts begin in their minds about you lol such LAZY people, all they are!
Like alex jones 😂🤣
"Don't geniuses live in lamps?" -Patrick Star
That's a genie-Yes?
actually one lived in a tin can, and the master of the can asked for a big nice house.
such an inspiring quote.
Yes. You're one.... when you realise it!
Genies were suppose to be in lamps and bottles not geniuses.
Geniuses all have one thing in common. That is the ability to ask themselves questions regarding the unknown. Once the question is served up to their minds, a process then begins to seek answers. It is like planting a seed, then allowing it to take hold. And, finally producing a result. When is the last time you asked yourself a question about an unknown?
Uggh! All the time....
It's where my mind lives.
Socially I'm good, very curious about other people and how their minds work, empathetic and everyone likes me, but I have a very difficult time finding ppl who I really click with.
I've been married, and thought I found my person, but your mind and life keeps growing and expanding, and not everyone's does.... not everyone wants to be on a journey. Some want you settle in for the long haul and just be quiet lol.
If I excelled at art and writing, I could propel my concepts onto the page, canvas, create animations... Keep all of these momentary dream pictures from disappearing
but some of us are mediocre artists, and the ideas fade into oblivion.
@@bodyofhope Do not knock your creative abilities. You have solved many problems throughout your life and always found a solution and learned from it. Always raise your level of self esteem and self worth. Seek only approval from yourself. Most important is to find ways of raising your self worth because that is the level you will always pick from. Fame and talent can be a big illusion, so seek approval only from yourself. Learn from negative experiences because it has much to teach us. Love and respect yourself first. Creativity is problem solving. Always be open for the lesson that follows. I believe that you can do this. Go for it.
The question is sometimes these unknown questions take years to solve, at times an epiphany and at times after experiencing a pattern of truths. The question is, how long will you endure the curiosity?
@@edwardkim7680 If you watch the interview that I did, I go into details that explain how this relationship puzzle fits together. It turned out that the interviewer had the very same problem that I described. You will not find this information anywhere else that I know of because this is personal firsthand experience. Neither Freud nor Jung explains it in a way that you can personally relate to or apply to yourself. I don’t know of anyone else who spells it out in a way that you can relate to. Seeing the connection gives you the opportunity to make a different and better choice. Dig deep and you will find connections.
That's a weird way to spell "curiosity"
I felt like I was once a genius. But then I got depressed and lost sleep. Now i feel brain dead.
I feel like I was once a 300 IQ score alien that became into a money-crazy human with a 160 IQ score as I grew into adulthood
your not brain dead it's just your mind body and spirit needs rest to recharge and u need to be alone but u are special never forget that!!
@@aishajackson478 i Dont understand. I hate science and maths so much but im still smart and wise except I lack motivation
@@red-headedabigail5794 hmm I relate. although math and science DON'T exclusively determine smartness or intelligence. I am very intellectual I think deeply about various things often. But I lack motivation and honestly the desire to achieve anything in life. What's your mbti personality type? Look it up/ research it. I'm an INTP and learning about myself has been SOOOOOOO Enlightening !!!!!!
@@red-headedabigail5794 I always found Calculus Boring , but Algebra was always my thing , I think calculus doesn't need so much thinking , but rather how much did you memorize
I wonder how many people clicked on this video to see if the described traits matched their own.
Crosby4hyg Yep! I'm a special snowflake who came here!
Almost everyone. What other reason would there be to click a video titled that way?
so basically this is a very succesfull clickbait title
I just wanted to see all the edgy kids calling themselves geniuses in the comments ;)
I came to see how wrong this guy was and wasn't dissapointed
Three things make a genius
1) Independent Thinker (isn't afraid to break the mold)
2) An Unbroken Concentration Toward Something
3) Excels in Abstract and Creative thinking
Pretty much me lmao.
3) Doesn't waste precious time doing meaningless things (like commenting on stupid videos)
TheAlecnemcova Lol never said I was a genius. But if you wanted to become a "genius" I would assume that would be how.
Btw there was already a 3) genius.
Curiousnessify 4) Be Fabulous
One thing that makes a genius.
1) Do something special.
Eccentric is the common character I have found in geniuses. I think that trait is necessary to think outside the box enough to make great discoveries. This same trait can make them susceptible to being extremists or conspiracists.
like Ted Kaczynski aka Unabomber
@@vibovitold He just died
@@vibovitold everything he said was true, it was his actions that were insane.
Everything from pandemics to aliens have proven those "conspiracy theorists" (a phrase created by the U.S. government many decades ago to discredit anyone speaking out as "crazy") are often correct.
The doubters owe us much more than just an apology.
Some were driven legally insane just to cover the tracks. Imagine spending the rest of your life as an abused meat puppet in a facility that the idiotic public loves because they punish you for warning them, the entire situation only existing due to human ignorance and arrogance, the damage lasting long after you were proven correct.
because a lot of conspiracies are true
I always remember that "Malcom in the Middle" episode where he had a genius friend who was slightly younger. Malcom asked his genius friend what it was like to be a genius. He said it was like the mind was a buzzing bee, humming with life and activity. And that his mind was like thousands of these bees working in unison, while Malcom's mind was like one of those bees. lol
its like a beehive and every bee have a brain like yours haha
But Malcolm was a genius. Lol.
THAT is borne out by science.Creative people have more neuronal connections.
So your anecdote is a recounting of what Hollywood scriptwriters produced for a sitcom entertainment. But for you it is a valid comment on the subject at hand. Ya gotta love America.
@@kingcormack8004 I thought it was a funny joke. (Geniuses have a sense of humor. Those who appeal to a genetic fallacy do not.)
I are a genius. I can retaliate to this.
yet you dont even know basic english grammar
***** Thank you.. you saved me typing. My Indian buddies, due the language tend to take word play too literal to get certain jokes.
Correcting Natalie's grammar was a stupid point. Natalie didn't claim to be a genius. (Which disqualifies everyone from genius status who thought it was a good point.) Anyway, I got the original joke, but my comment is aside from that.
***** lmao seriously ? those arent even grammar mistakes smartass... almost nobody writes with capital letters and perfect punctuation..where do you think you are? at harvard?
natalie shinobi SMH....
Just remember you don't need to be a genius to be a great person. or even to go down in the history books.
Nor do you need a life worthy of the history books of the future to have a fulfilling life.
@@bustingdogarchive4240 Very true
@@bustingdogarchive4240 Unless it is glory that you seek
Your fundamental flaw is believing works of fiction written by the winners of wars to be actual History. Next up...why it doesn't matter if you believe you'll be remembered or not. You won't be for long 👍
@@bustingdogarchive4240 Debatable. You can certainly remain content with a life like that, but it is a choice you consciously make. To each their own.
society is just stupid, geniuses seem weird and too forward. This is why alone time is good. This is why they have only 1 or 2 friends. Quality over quantity
I am with YOU too, too many fucking retards in this world, I am an INTJ VIRGO
NOW, IF you go outside the US you will find real people, not these psychopathic lunatics
*PERIOD.*
Temirlan, have you ever done a personality test? I suspect you are similar to me, Introverted, Introspective thinker.
@@kh2716 yep, I think I was given an INFP/INTP personality. Actually, I’m not weird in public, people enjoy my company. But it drains me. Thus I need to recharge. Shortly, when I invest energy I dive too much into, and when I’m not interested I can’t feel nothing at all. Philosophy really helps with living. If interested check out Sugrue lectures. They are amazing.
@@temirlankasmaliev9322 Hi! Thanks for your response. Well, I am very similar to you. I am an INTJ and Type 8 w7 on Enneagram. I am not weird in public although I am weird I guess, if weird is different to most. I have a saying that 80% of humans are pointless, but I really mean 90% :-D Like you people drain me, I need a lot of lone time but that's default as I struggle to get the stimulation from others that my mind needs. Although People drain me, more recently I have realised that there are some people out there, that tend to be softer, intellectuals that share the same curiosity for questions that re-fill my cup of energy faster than being alone which is quite the revelation. It's just so difficult to find these people in the first place! Philosophy and psychology help me although the more I read and understand the more alone I feel. But I think in time I will come to enjoy the loneliness and I mean that. I will check out the lectures, thanks for the recommendation.
I’m married to a genius and am not sure you can really boil it down to one thing. He describes being very intelligent as having a faster computing speed or playing chess so while an average person is having a “normally paced” conversation with him, his brain has already processed the conversation, knows where it’s going and now has to wait/endure the completion of it. I have come to the conclusion that they are either gregarious or don’t suffer fools gladly and their reactions to people may be based in how they were treated or things they observed while growing up. Just one of many theories anyway...
@Despize Perform you wouldn't get it. that's the whole point, genius.
I'm not a genius but I think I've had genius like moments when reading philosophy. If you are able to really focus on it for a half hour or sometimes an hour you will reach this mental clarity where the entire argument sort of lays itself out before you and you can see how everything fits together and impacts other parts as if it was a car engine or something complex like that that you had been studying your whole life. And you can move the parts around in real time and its like modeling an entire new car engine.
@@ronpaulOisOtigger everyone has a little genius in them but not everyone can actually tap into at will. but once you know analyze and understand your capacity for the mind state it'll become more of a second nature. it won't equal up to a natural genius though they have lightyears of a headstart lmao. you essentially experienced intellectual flow state which is one of the core parts of what makes geniuses genius. it's that intense seemingly preternatural focus he talked about in the video but it's way different to see somebody who can just dip in and out of it on a whim. be proud though you've experienced your own genius first hand that's great for you lmao. amazing :)
Omg I feel this way all the time talking to people. I can tell where the convo is going and sometimes it makes me impatient. My computing speed is slightly above average while my friend who was the valedictorian has an insane computing speed. Like human adderal. I am way more learned than most and hearing peoples false beliefs like religion or their inability to think critically also pisses me off. It’s hard having friends so I keep like 1-3 quality friends that can keep up. Loneliness is common but a change in viewpoint can always shift things to the positive.
Sure
Two things most responsible for genius: curiosity and the ability to admit that you don't know everything.
It's sad when a healthy sense of curiosity (instead of being fear driven) and a sense of honesty and modesty is considered above average intelligence traits, instead of the norm. I blame our culture. Classes and tests require that we have to be "right" and we're so fear driven today we don't even let kids out to play.
I'm gay
lmao, what a great discussion we're having
"The ability to concentrate with a sort of intensity that is hard for mortals like me to grasp, a kind of passion for abstraction that doesn't lend itself towards easy communication..."
Oh man, meta-cognition, the study of intelligence itself, meta-learning, and the like, are absolutely wonderful. Anything written by Hofstadter was my jam in my 20s. I'm glad the internet brings people together. It's so easy to find other people into that kind of stuff too.
Sephiroth
@@Danielle_1234 wow good for you.
You lost me at 'The ability to concentrate'..
Sadhu sadhu
I think the best description was in the movie Amadeus. Saliari looked in astonishment at Mozart’s original works, without a single correction, as if it was already completed in his head. That is genius.
Too the genius early 19th century British Romantic poet John Keats penned each of his famous masterpiece Odes in about 20 minutes, having precomposed each entirely in his head.
True about Mozart, but Beethoven was also a genius, and he had to work very hard at his compositions before he was satisfied with them. His manuscripts are full of corrections.
@@valerietaylor9615 being deaf made it much more challenging for Beethoven to compose, that's the epitome of creativity.
Despite Feynman's brilliance, Issac Newton was on a different level from a genius standpoint in my opinion. He probably would have 20 Nobel Prizes if he was alive today.
And a massive c**t
Why?
For discovering calculus?
At the same time as someone else?
He was at the right place at the right time to jot down the equations. It's just a tool. Do you know calculus? It's not hard to conjure...
@@cxxmax Newton's universal law of gravitation, laws of motion, optics, cooling just to name a few. And of course Calculus. His contributions form the basis of all modern physics.
Geniuses learn, retain, and synthesize information on a deeper level than most people. They represent a small group. And they can use what they know to advance human knowledge, create artistic masterpieces, or make medical discoveries or scientific inventions & advancements.
my advice would be to stay away from popular culture. Follow your own likes and in there you will find your greatest intelligence! Henry David Thoreau said it best, "if a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. let him step to the music that he hears however measured or far away."
***** You're just complicated!
Never marrying could be a sign of intelligence if you have found women to be as stress inducing as I have... but intelligence comes in many forms and some of the smartest people I know lack social skills plus the desire to have social approval, this combination means they tend to have just a few close friends and are selective about who they are. Marching to the beat of your own drum, and not following the herd is a sign of backbone, and to be creative requires taking chances and making your own mistakes. That's maybe why Feynman was so brilliant, he was very creative and willing to throw away conventional thinking while at the same time he was practical enough to envision the constraints of reality and how they limit what could be true and false.
Groups always find the lowest common denominator. Your friends dumb you down and geniuses know it. Only if you refuse to be defined by others can you reach full potential.
Mihaly knowing and following yourself gives you personal authority over the direction of your interests. that develops inherent strength.
MrDavidhillman you started off so dumb bashing women that all.i am going to do with your post is this answrt. whatevee else you say is grounded in your broken heart.
Complete focus on the task at hand, figuring out the issues and developing the strategy be it science based or design based is the key. Great things do not come from people who talk a lot.
They come from people who think a lot, which means isolating yourself from distractions. Patience is another factor plus stamina to see it through.
I'm bipolar 1 with psychotic episodes, I play strings, paint, and score high on IQ test (even though IQ tests are becoming largely obsolete and meaningless). The overriding fearure for me is that focusing is extremely difficult
@@paulwilliams2663 Good luck, I hope there’s something that can extend your concentration even a little - since you’re creative I’m glad you’re able to accomplish some of it. A lot of creative types have various issues like depression, fear of success / fear of failure, and other challenges. I find it difficult to step in and out of such massively different states of mind. Creative altered state mode, and at other times having to deal with mundane things (which upsets, disgusts and bores me so badly I need recovery time afterward).
@AngelWings I'm at my best around hypomania, very productive, writing song, verse, etc. in minutes. Psychography, too, instantaneous poetry and prose, but as I move through hypomania towards mania, it becomes fragmented, disjointed then nonsensical. I can understand it, my treating psychiatrist at the time asked me to talk through the process as to how I arrived with the brain mess on paper, when I told him, we were in fits of laughter for a long time. Best of luck to you too.
Meh, nothing new in your ideas.
I'm painfully shy, good hearted, and antisocial...hate some people but love most of humanity. I must confess I don't have any brain cells at all.
I wonder what my life looked like if i was as social as i am in comment sections .
Apparently the term "genius" in high school is defined as a Straight A student...
There's a mere difference between "someone who's really proficient at math", "someone who works really hard to be proficient in Math", and "someone who works hard to be good in Math and forget the lessons after grades have been given".
Many geniuses not only didn't get A's, they despised school. It's probably more appropriate to call someone who gets straight A's a good parrot rather than a genius.
TheCultivatedMind what if i get As in all my math tests and exams (true, dont hate) and despised school
Recordium IV It doesn't matter if you get As in tests or exams... What matters is that you know what "genius" truly means and you broaden your perception regarding this matter. :)
Anyone who judges intelligence by a school system is blind.
Turtle Philosopher In his final acceptance speech, 3 time New York Teacher of the Year John Taylor Gatto resigned; stating that he was no longer willing to work for a system which is designed to dumb kids down.
Schooling in general teaches one to be a mindless parrot/consumer/worker; not a thinker or intellectual revolutionary. This is one reason why great geniuses like Albert Einstein hated it.
I suggest searching in TH-cam for the most popular TED talk of all time by Sir Ken Robinson. It's entitled: "How Schools Kill Creativity"
They love to analyze stuff while most people find the analytical process hard work like exercising.
Madelyn Today That's intellect, not intelligence
Really? The average person does not analyze?
@@shahrazadsaied4426 Yes, an average person does not analyze. An analysis you are required to gather data and then form an opinion, which is the exact oposite of how most of people function. Everybody is able to tell whether they like at hing. Very few people are able to properly interpret a graph. If you are able to look at a thing A, then a thing B and arrive at a conclusion C, you are a pretty special person. And the more abstract things you are able to conclude, the more special you are.
@@kofola9145 I'm rather surprised. Since my brain analyzes everything I thought all brains worked the same way. I started doing this before I was old enough to go to school. I will try to keep that in mind when dealing with other people.
I love the two, and both combined are a wonderful match!
The ability to focus is definitely central to genius. I have a head injury that makes concentrating absolute hell because there's high pitched ringing and pain 24/7 in my head, my eyesight is awful and I'm partially deaf and schizophrenic. I wonder how smart I'd be without this problem all the time.
You never know...maybe these are they key to your own genius. You must accept chaos to mould it into order.
One characteristic of geniuses, I think, is a feeling of isolation--a feeling that when they're communicating with others, they are imposters, dumbing down their thoughts so that the rest of us can understand. Thus, they have a lot of trouble communicating freely and openly. And, free open communication are fundamental to almost all human relations.
This feeling of isolation no doubt leads to other character quirks. They may include introversion or they may manifest as a pretense of extroversion.
Not that I would know...
It takes the smartest individuals to realize there is always more to learn.
Agnostic Libertarian EXACTLY.
the problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure but the intelligent are full of doubt
No it doesn't
looks like you're not one of those people.
If I'm not one of those people, then how did I realize there is always more to learn? Just proved you wrong, bud.
I am a close observer of people from all walks of life and their behaviour. It also helps that I am a doctor. I've found that the most common trait of those we would label "geniuses" is imagination. You certainly don't have to be book smart. The smartest man I ever met in over 50 years was my cousin-in-law who could take apart and rebuild all kinds of engines, owned a phenomenally successful tool and die shop manufacturing all sorts of items on a mass basis for many large companies whose names everyone would instantly recognize. As we were very close with a mutual respect for what the other could do, while I knew that he dropped out of high school to start a family (being in midwest farmland) I was shocked when as he was dying from cancer he told me, rather ashamed, that he never learned to read. And I had always marveled at how he could construct complex iron exterior railings for steps leading up to a house, with complex changes in height and curvature. To this day I don't know how he could do such work. Imagination and being able to visual a complex construction through the minds eye in the empty space you look out into in front of you are the greatest gifts. Me? I just learned from texts and trial and error. I believe
imagination to be the foremost and valuable trait to have.
Snoop Dogg here, and I ain't buyin' what you're sayin'. You think imagination is the key to genius? That's some straight-up BS. Genius ain't about imagination, it's about hard work and dedication. Ain't no substitute for puttin' in the hours and grindin' it out. You can have all the imagination in the world, but if you ain't willin' to put in the work, it ain't gonna mean nothin'. So don't try to sell me this fancy-pants idea that imagination is the key to genius. Ain't no shortcuts in this game.
@@snoop_official if hard work and dedication were the key to being a genius, then everybody could be a genius. Which unfortunately isn't the case. What you're saying inherently opposes the definition of genius
very well said sir. how would you say to the correlation of genius and aloneness?
i would think that you're cousin in law never really participated in school, it was too conforming. But possibly he thought and worked things out for himself. My dad is similar.
Patience and work, being open to possibilities. The stuff not taught in school
@@bobomac8330 Couldn't have put it better myself.
The coolest aspect of this video is, he gives two examples of “Geniuses” for us to examine and find guidance. No one likes complete isolation. Our brains are not broken. Our motivation can decrease depending on warmth. We are humans. So it’s important for socially “ struggling” ones, to examine the socially successful ones. Study them. Find the tangents they got to comedians or presidents.
look what we are missing. Everything is a recipe. A key with little to zero directions can unlock any lock. If it can adapt to the wished task. That’s why these videos are great.
Since it was fun to read through the debates I’d like to share my take:
Judging openly is crossing borders. A form of abuse. It is to be questioned why people feel like “roasting” each other in platforms like these. Highly likely, that one who does so, doesn’t truly stand in awareness of why one is here. The lack of self awareness and self realization will probably lead to a toxic mixture that wants to over cross its own vessel. It’s 1930 central Europa mentality. Not aware of my full strengths. Knowing others got talent or even more talent. Let’s envade others.
It happens for people who victimize others that they had been victims in similar ways. For that case I hope to raise awareness that the moment one leans over your boarders they are in unbalanced state and their opinion is to be seen like this. A demonstration of physical laws and a clear indicator that all humans create one big spectrum. Without the individuals who act this way maybe we would act more often this way. We can be grateful it’s not us to tell others they are stupid.
“ I am a genius “
A self affirmation in this direction is prolly more beneficial than the other way around
At moments of unbalanced self fulfillment image it may be beneficial to tell yourself anything you need to proceed.
Before one tells others.
I can understand the ones preaching how ever.
People like Einstein or ones without social acknowledgement, would never say it out loud out of the Awareness of negative result. It would be seen as self hate to open up to an environment where Hornets would directly attack,
That’s maybe somewhere then an way of saying “ hey I’ve been there , said I was a genius, I got crushed, don’t do it it happens to you too, so I’ll crush you to see “
Either way. The brain is deep and simple. The time we invest on something is clearly connected to our interest.
Like others said, geniuses are humans. They can have flaws in grammar. They are to be seen like a lock with a diamond chamber behind it.
Different colors and shapes like humans all have. By destroying one kind one destroyes oneself.
Let’s play monopoly. If you’re able to win out of any person that’s when you’re happy.
This is the game ones you’re bored try it not always easy
wow, Thanks for the insight. Sad that most people'll scroll through
Interesting Read.
Sometimes I wish I would be just a simple person who goes to work and doesn't worry about the world and the feelings of other people.
yes, from my life experience I would agree with that. I think curiosity is the driving force for many geniuses. They become obsessed with understanding something completely and put all of their energy into it. Also, I think they are gifted with intelligence that only a small percentage of people possess. It's those two things working in tandem that allow them to make important discoveries.
I like it but maybe a person is just on a spiritual path that some don’t understand
@@scottwyckoff5483 exactly
Bruh didn't watch the video.
You haven't said anything that no one else has already thought of. Not a genius.
@@scottwyckoff5483and that's okay 👍👌🙏
The point of this video was to show that no one thing consistently distinguishes a geniuses from most people, other than the habit of solitude, and an intense work ethic, if you look at any individual one would call a genius whether of dance, music, science, or math they spent a considerable amount of time alone practicing and working with whatever there craft was: their medium for expressing their genius. It is not argued that these aren't intelligent people; however, is the valid explanation of their command of their domain in their intelligence, or in the fact that they could concentrate and spend hours on things that most individuals wouldn't care to spend any time focusing on, and not in some superficial and mindless way, but in a pain staking grueling manner, at times, day in and day out. Hence, "a Passion for the Abstract."
"Talent hits targets no-one else can hit. Genius hits targets no-one else can see." Schopenhauer
I think this is right. I think it's a matter of having the focus and memory to be able to hold many different abstractions and their connections together in your mind's eye at once. And then having the creative power (with the combination of focus and memory) to manipulate the ideas in real time.
hes right. As a geenyus I can attest to this
+Joe Roz wtf dude?
+Joe Roz that hurts and im white
+Joe Roz chill thanks
+Bucky Love idiot
+Bucky Love learn how to spell buck teeth
"an intellectual is somebody who has found something more interesting than sex"...I forget who said it
An edgy virgn most likely
Or maybe an adult
I have found many interesting things that aren't sex. But I'd take sex over time travel any day.
+poiuytrewq11422 dumb choice, time travel gets you both if you play your cards right
***** I don't want to be my own grandfather if I play them wrong, though.
Genius as a special category aside, growing up exceptionally bright and creative (unless you grow up in an environment full of equally bright, supportive and emotionally available loved ones) is an isolating experience-- I suspect more so before the internet.
Even a modestly gifted person, with, say, an 20 IQ points above average, has probably grown up surrounded by people whom they eventually found were noticeably less intelligent. They may have interests and passions that arent widely shared by those around them. They might be ridiculed for their differences, depending on their social skills and environment. But even if they arent, it can be a lonely way to grow up.
The greater the gap, the more powerful the potential effect.
Growing up like that can have a damaging, isolating effect. It can make you arrogant, or misanthropic, or emotionally withdrawn or hesitant, or it can make you the kind of person who presents a dumbed down persona to the world to avoid hurting others or being rejected.
The internet has made things different, you can now find peers and people who share your interests more easily, no matter who you are. Though, it can also mean a broader, more anonymous audience to reject outliers for being nerds,
and a broader and apparently dumber hoi polloi to help foster arrogance and misanthropy 😞
I guess it would take a series of studies to find out whether highly creative and intelligent people who were born after, say, 1990
Feel less alone than those born before?
They are not alone, they are with their thoughts.
I'm as dumb as a stump but I enjoy my solitude.
You have a genius level of self-awareness.
Closer to being a genius than the retards in the comment section proclaiming to be geniuses with tries-too-hard-but-is-grammatically-incorrect speech
Well, I wouldn't say retards, TheArnoldification, since not everyone is an English speaker. However, you're right, people are overestimating themselves by going so far as to call themselves "Geniuses"! However, these 'idiots' are actually rare, normal boyos think they're smart, but even they will not go as far as "genius".
Thats what a genius would say.
I dub thee the awakened idiot
The cleverest people I know (and know about) are often socially awkward and easy to dislike
***** I meant academically 'clever' - I know some people who are extremely knowledgable and practical who are, at the same time, very socially awkward. too much of one type of intelligence and not enough of the other...
Brent Strathdee
Yes, kinda like autistic kids when you think about it. Maybe not acting like 'normal' people isn't such a bad thing though.
Social retardation can boost up academic cleverness since the only reason why humans have so massive brains is to interact with each other. They simply redirect their cognitive powers.
Every creative genius is basically an anomaly within human specie.
Julie Paterson yes and no - when not acting 'normal' results in a string of broken relationships with family friends and partners I'd say its a hindrance
SloveintzWend
I agree. Social interactions can stifle all sorts of creativity and brilliance, because we place such importance on them, not because they actually achieve anything.
I read your books when they came out. You brought science to this layman. I treasure your works in my shelves.
Being a genius means you're fundamentally different than your peers. Finding a mate is difficult. I took the WISC-IV in the 3rd grade and was treated much differently after having obliterated the IQ test. It doesn't make me better than other people. I just feel different. I may look a certain way but the way I go about life is different. I'm a pretty shy person.
That extreme concentration he is talking about is basically "the zone" like how really good sports players get into a zone of concentration. It is almost like exercise, the more you work on it, the more it happens and as a result, it is easier to achieve. When I was younger and furiously teaching myself to program I could get so deep in the zone I would just pound out tons and tons of code, sleep a few hours, and then wake up and code more. The more immersed in it I was, the easier I slipped into it. Now its hard to get there because I have so many distractions. Adderall or similar is a good shortcut but it only gets you halfway there and no matter how much you immerse, you can never get fully into the zone with drugs.
Johnny Bravo It's like the zone times ten. Sit in a room for 3 days and write a symphony or solve a mathematical problem or come up with calculus (as Newton did).
King RedMann
Ah, the "little boy's room?" Or do you have a chamber pot? Actually, when you don't eat, you don't shit much either. Haven't you noticed?
Johnny Bravo How'd you learn to program?
It's called the flow state
Johnny Bravo stfu ur not a genius
"All failure is a lack of concentration." Bruce Lee.
success is predicated on attention to detail.
Fuck Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee was a dork. Overrated wanna be martial artist
@@jaycobcagasan7922 true. Better than Steven Seagal though.
i don't know if I'm late to comment but the more i learn about myself the more i realize how hopeless i am,i kept perusing myself to understand other people mindsets because i struggled to understand how they think,i mean i do get along well with friends but they'd usually say that the way i communicate is very me,it's different and they find it amusing,basically my best friends does not even understand me and most of the time it's just me trying to know them. i just wanted to find someone who literally understands what am i trying to convey without faking it to sound smartass but even the smartest friends in my school doesn't even understands me,no one actually,just my parents but what if they are gone will i be alone? idfk
sometimes thoughts are so conflicting,when i started to see worth in myself i was shut down by others who i saw was better than me at something, even tho i've never met a person who can do everything like me irl.All i think of myself is just ordinary but others kept telling me i'm a genius,i'm gifted. i'm confused because i have never done any big achievement and all my questions and doubts were laughed at at school.Well i have no idea if i'm actually a genius but what i know is that i will never find someone who would understand me and even if there's another person like me i met,i doubt if they'd even be like me,geniuses might not even understands eachother sometimes and it's an even harder task to find one.
A father of a friend of mine was an astrophysicist.
I saw him standing in front of his house one day staring at the ground.
As I approached I noticed he was observing the wind going across a large mud puddle.
He seemed embarrassed when I greeted him, because he jolted out of a trance like state and fumbled for words.
I asked him what he was doing and he just laughed it off and said "Thinking...just thinking."
I wish my teenage self would have gotten to know him better.
He was a man of few words though.
When you think alone, and are always alone on purpose (not because u have to) you discover things that are very very interesting and they are so interesting that others want to take them from you.
True. So true.
I hope I hadn't realized that too late before I blabbed my ideas. At the time I hadn't realized how smart I actually was.
Nah. Others don't even know what they're looking at. All intelligent people have seen the blank look, the signal to stop talking, you are over their head.
@@got2kittys Just depends on how much of a disparity in mental wavelength there is, if you will. If it's too much, it will be completely lost on one of lesser intelligence, but if it's not too great, then I feel like a truly intelligent person is capable of gauging it in a way that they can adapt their approach to conveying what they know and think in a way that the other person can at least grasp what they're getting at.
He is talking about introversion. Introvert type tents to be a loner not because he is antisocial but because he is absorbed in his mind, the reality that we live is not enough so he enriched it with visions of his own
I'd hate to toot my own horn but my pulse raised when I read the description of introverts for me its exactly as you stated I'm glad to know I'm not alone in a sense. I've also realized that every introvert is his own type of introvert and are good at a specific form of genius within their chosen respective area or field they constantly theorize in their head. and the reality is I'm an introvert just to be a better extrovert so I have extrovert tendencies so although mainly an introvert I love talking to people as you can see lol so I'm technically an ambivert idk oh they're also commonly correlated/and or asscoiated with OCD and other like syndromes which god knows I have it bad! :) lol
yea i move things to be the most symmetrical as they lay on the table i cant help myself lol
Pharap Sama lol asperges is a misconception of extraverted people who cant understand what introversion means or feel like.
I'm absolutely an Extrovert, but I constantly find myself a lone. I love human interaction, but often it is none stimulating and ill rewarding to the things that I value and am interested in. So I tend to be reclusive. Introverts may behave in an out going, and Extroverts may behave themselves in a reclusive manner. There are too many variables at play to label it to some one personality. He is clearly stating that among all the complexities of human psychology no one thing distinguishes genius in character other than the tendency for aloneness. Richard Feynman was no Introvert it's why he uses the example of Feynman and Newton to start, but this argument of Extroversion over Introversion leading to genius is silly. Loneliness means loneliness no matter if it's asperges, introversion, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, arrogance, enigmatic behavior, eccentricities, or whatever that drives one to be alone. You can not find a direct relationship to explicit personalities, because there is not direct observable correlation. Psychologically there is a better correlation to psychopathy and genius than introversion and genius. The only definite answer is they all spent time alone, who knows why, most likely "A Passion for Abstraction." for whatever reason.
@@mpcc2022 good comment
The "I don't know" at the end was gold
Well this just motivated me to go and meditate, so thank you!
Whenever I read biographies of geniuses and their personality and traits are described I just generally feel like they all, or at least most, had Aspergers.
Thijs van Gisbergen
It's not bad to have Aspergers, I rather feel people should be proud about it. It is a shame that society has such trouble accepting something which is not like the standard, however. And let's agree, at least, that we both hope for a more open society where not everyone is expected to work and feel the same way.
I do not have an issue with Aspergers as a label, however. As I said, why not be proud instead?
Richard Feynman absolutely in no uncertain terms had Asperger's, and I haven't the slightest clue why people, not saying that you are in particular, try to diagnose him with it, this takes away credence from people who actually did probably have Asperger's. If you point out that he was highly sociable, and had an ability to empathize with others point of view better than anyone I've ever met, charm his way out of a myriad of situations, and people say well that was the incredibly high intellect that allowed him to seduce women. Yes because clearly it was Beethoven's lack of intellect that kept him from seducing women. Here's the deal, genius if there is such a thing, needs at minimum a tenthousand hours of cultivation, and to do that in most cases you need time to yourself, so you have to not mind/enjoy time to yourself, tack on a certain level of obsession, then you have the traits needed for crafting world class excellence in any discipline. that being said, people that are world class can seem as if they have asperger's when they really don't, because people with asperger's have an advantage since they have the character traits of repetition, tendency for obsessing, a certain aversion of people, character traits that lends themselves to brilliance. I dunno I just like to think that Feynman was just a regular guy with a slightly higher iq, that became the greatest physicist america has produced, in the american way, not through being gifted or anything, but through sheer work and ferocious passion for learning. I'd always much rather win despite of a thing rather than because of a thing. see for me I've always been called gifted or whatever, and I think its insulting if you actually think about it, people steal away all your hard work and give the credit to your accomplishments to some outside power, as if you won a raffle that they didn't, its garbage.
mycollegeshirt
I don't think he had Aspergers. But I will say this: I sincerely dislike when people without Aspergers say that it would be anything bad with the diagnosis. It's offensive, it really is. You're not in the position to say if people should have a diagnosis or not. No matter if you think it's good pr bad, you really have no place to speak for this minority. As a part of this minority, I can assure you that we are very proud indeed to be Aspergers and we do not like when people without it talk about the irrelevance of diagnosis. We are not like you, and that is not limited to silly social stuff that Wikipedia and such list. We are a people. and we are different from you. And we are proud of that fact. So do not ever tell any of us that our labels are not needed, because we are different from you, and that's a fact, and we're proud of it. Not ashamed at all. The only thing that causes issues is the society based around people that does not share our genetic composition.
oh no not ass burgers D:
Thijs van Gisbergen
Are you going for an olympic medal in strawmanning, or what's up here?
"Funny, when you get a diagnosis, you and your psychologe guy/girl and yourself may think totally different things. so what are you saying that People who 'have' aspergers are a minority when you even cannot compare people?"
If you don't know what Aspergers is and you are interested in knowing what the physical differences are in the brain and so forth I do highly encourage you to educate yourself in the matter. If your point is to question Aspergers without even knowing what it is, then I must sadly say that I am not interested in having that conversation. I would like you to check out the basic differences in the neurology and hormones, to start out with, otherwise the conversation will be extremely pointless.
And yes, we think differently. That doesn't mean we think different things. Do not confuse those statements as they mean two completely different things. How our brain works is different. Visual and sounds inputs for an example, and how they are then handled and processed by the brain. This is a different way of thinking, not thinking about different THINGS.
"BUT WHO IS WE? if you can point out everyone who has it. NO you cant. Caused by evolutionary difference, randomness. It's silly,"
Yes, we actually can. As I said, some basic understanding of what Aspergers is would probably be a good idea.
"It's silly, There are less smart people in the world because they are not social, or something like that. And because of this, they become rejects of society. Rejects are not in the right circumstance to have babies and stuff."
If you want to talk about people being social or not I advice you do it with the guy who wanted to talk about the social aspects. I haven't mentioned it at all.
"And fenotype is what people get into during their lives, so even 'social' people could end up in minority, caused by thing happened in their lives. So again, everything is too random. It is not easy to accept, but if you believe in evolution, it is true."
And then you keep on ranting about the social stuff, which is a bit weird. Being social or not is a personality trait. Aspergers is not a personality trait, and everyone who assumes that someone with Aspergers is social or not, is horribly uneducated on the subject.
"Aspergers is something we made up, as for any mental 'disease'. Why?"
Aspergers is not a mental disease and your claim that it would be if offensive and uneducated. As I said: At least learn the basics. The conversation is pointless otherwise.
"You need like 1000 people, random chosen, run into diagnose, who are telling the truth completely with no glitch of their own brain, no glitch in the diagnosis system. Than, if you would be able to do this impossible task, you could perhaps see how many people are different from each other, and people who might resemble to each other."
And now I'm not even sure who you're talking to anymore as no one in this thread what so ever has at any point claimed that people are the same. Of course people are different. In many, many ways indeed.
"You can be the best in tennis, sure, But you can not be the best in being social. The best in being normal. It is simply to random."
And then you talk about being social again, which, I repeat: I have never even mentioned. Are you talking to some imaginary friend, perhaps? Are they the ones you are responding?
Look, if you're going to have a conversation with someone, at least try to make an effort to respond to what they have actually said. You went on a long rant about things I have never brought up as being part of Aspergers at all.
If you would have at any point, asked me what I think about Aspergers and the social aspects however (which would have been the normal thing to do) I would have responded that how social someone is or isn't is highly IRRELEVANT to an Aspergers diagnosis. How social you are is a personality trait, that personality trait can be based on a lot of things, and everyone can be social or not no matter what. I, for example, am a very social person and work in a field which require a high empathy and high understanding of people. This is something which surprises people a lot, as they suffer from the faulty notion that people with Aspergers would be less social by default. This is entirely untrue. Our brains works differently, and sometimes that can be the product, but so can other things in anyone's lives.
However, maybe you don't care about big physical differences which means we respond to medication significantly differently than you, that we respond significantly different to drugs than you, that we hear sounds in another way than you do and that our visual thinking works in a completely other way. Maybe you don't care that the environments we thrive in are so different from most (with some exceptions there, I will admit) Maybe you don't care that a light touch on our arm can hurt just as much as putting your hand on an on turned stove because our nerves are different. Maybe you don't care that our seratonine behaves and travels in a completely different way in our brains. Maybe you don't care that our brains works over 40% better than yours do when we focus, as we are very efficient in turning off other senses when do. Maybe you don't care that our concentration of gray and white matter in our brains are different from yours.
But I can assure you that we care about these differences, because our wants and needs in life, are different as a result from it.
Are we all the same? No, because something called neurodiversity and personalities exist, and they exist among everyone. But that doesn't mean that there's no such thing as Aspergers. There is, and if you are interested in finding out more, then go an do so.
'there is something in every one of you that waits and listens for the sound of the genuine in yourself. it is the only true guide you will ever have. and if you cannot hear it, you will all of your life spend days on the end of strings that somebody else pulls.'
-Howard Thurman
Driven curiosity. Sniff out an interesting aspect of a problem and drive down that road, pushing until it's understood, fixed, done. All the while with high curiosity and sensitivity to other interesting and intriguing aspects of the problem. The best is when the final fix, the overall solution, explains the whole damn set of "wtf?", "why?", "huh?" questions all at once, in one sweeping arc, like pushing in the final piece of a jigsaw puzzle.
"First and last, what is demanded of genius is love of truth."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
I have been following this truth for about 20 years and I find it so true.
That's the first I heard of it that Newton was difficult. He was a scientist for 10% of his time and produced Principa Mathematica and developed calculus among many other things but spent most of his time on theological studies (reading and interpreting the Holy Bible). Newton was probably the world's greatest scientist, easily.
Thought my way out of OCD one morning while sitting in a chair after I had struggled with it for 2 years. I have never applied that much concentration since then. Quite frankly that whole mental illness made me apathetic towards many things. If I could find the motivation and the will to really dig deep without preconceived notions filling my head, I am certain I could create great things. Maybe it is pure arrogance but I know the potential lies somewhere within. I think all of us have amazing potential to do extraordinary things but usually are content with the ordinary.
+Seadog95 -well said
2:07 They all had
• the ability to concentrate with a sort of intensity that is hard for mortals like me to grasp
• a kind of passion for abstraction that doesn't lend itself to easy communication
To be a genius and be alone is to be in company of a mind beyond that which anyone can comprehend, I would rather study the unbelievable alone than waste my time trying to convince the masses of something they could never come to understand.
Then how come geniuses like Einstein are able to communicate their ideas to other physicists?
"if you judge a fish on the ability to climb a tree it will forever live its life believing it is stupid" -Albert Einstein on genius
a fish can't believe in anything since its brain is too underdeveloped to process complex thoughts, fish are purely instinctual animals and their brains are inherently small.
I understood the message, but I wanted to point that illogicality out because it just…irritated me.
and they cant cry either----extra fact and it irritated me
+Elijah Bailey ever heard of a metaphor?
I comment on every video I watch ever heard of a metaphor that makes coherent sense instead of psuedo-bullshit?
I'm smart.
Loneliness, eccentric... perfect excuses for a bunch of people to all of the sudden consider themselves geniuses.
spineshivers You're right...logic follows that percentages of genius would be highest among babbling homeless winos.
A genius, by definition, must be different. Otherwise they'd be like everyone else and therefore not geniuses.
spineshivers u mad bro
spineshivers Once again the dark side of a disturbed individual rears it's ugly face.
spineshivers Or because they are thinking about things that nobody else is. I figure that could be pretty lonely. You are the classic if I can't do it then nobody can example. There are no limits only time spineshivers.
Geniuses believed they were geniuses. He's so right that character traits just are what they are, intelligence is intelligence, creativity is creativity, genius is genius, focus is focus.
excellent Tube....love hearing you sort through the character traits
*watches this secretly hoping he mentions something you do*
Lol
What I took away is that it's better to be a dumbass sometimes, at least if it helps me stay away from depression and loneliness.
I have read both these biographies and found them very interesting studies of the connection between personal trauma/angst and genius. I felt bad for Newton...rejected by his mother and not exactly embraced by schoolmates...isolated for sure, but drove him to fill his life with experimentation in many directions. I wonder if Leonardo DaVinci had personal angst going on as well...thank you for these great reads and others!
the case of Bobby Fischer comes to mind
I used to think I knew everything about everything there is to know until I realized that I knew nothing about all the things I knew nothing about.
Ha! And then there are the 'those who believe what THEY know is all that is really WORTH knowing' geniuses. It is funny to watch those type learn something big, important and new on accident and then try to fit it in with their previous self assessment. Kind of like seeing a cat running into a sliding glass door and then pretending it meant to do that.
I am glad you realized your ignorance!
The most genius ones don't accept they are infact way more intelligent than the others, which is the core driving cause for them to do more. Their thirst for success is way beyond a normal human's threshold, yet their simplicity way lower than the normal ones.
Sadly, everyone who watched this thinks that they are a creative genius. So I guess that , that instantaneously has made us all the same, and renders us as the boring soul we didn't think we were when we clicked this video.
signoguns Absolutely. And one thing I've found is that, anyone who is truly viewed as a genius in this world by the majority is NOT self proclaimed. It is not for themselves to define their intellect, but the people.
For instance. Kayne west always call himself a genius but he seems like the furthest thing.
+Eng Medo Excellent point.
+TheFrozenGargon "Everbody is a genius, but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree..."
***** you really should pull your head OUT of your arse. It is helpful, not to have a stinking mind full of s#¡t! when TRYING to make sense of what you are so ignorantly discussing.
***** Who said anyone was relying on someone to pull coconuts form the trees? :) Do fish eat coconuts? Each animal prospers in its own domain, strikingly similar to the idea that we all have a special degree of intelligence higher than others, so much so that neither of us are more intelligent than one another :), we just encounter different paths, different opportunities, which may or may not allow us to express our genius.
Genius are often morally complex. Because of their capacity to concentrate and their realization of that, they often sees a things from different perspectives before conclusion. It's like disagreeing with yourself over and over, filling the slots that should and usually be filled be people (aka discussion) before finding a one concrete and well thought finish. Sure it's great for the abstract and logic, where there is only a straight forward answer. But for morals and ethics, especially if s/he is young, s/he will often answer from a logical perspective or play ignorant all together. Because of these things, I say. even as high as geniuses can go, they are indeed human, who cannot play God from beginning till the end of their chapters.
Yeah, many smart people fool themselves into thinking that they are a better person by merit of being intelligent. In reality a dumb and smart person can both be bad.
"A passion for abstraction" I love it :)
As one born and raised where there were lots of great minds around, to wit: The Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, I can attest that there were many who seemed to live alone in their own minds. Of course, a lot of these people couldn't discuss their own work outside of secure settings. Moving out to the greater outside world as a young adult it was unusual for me to hear people not only talk about their own professions, but to have them ask, "So, what do you do for a living?"
He pretty much described like a majority of mathematicians. Not sure about all of their intensity for focus, but definitely an appreciation for abstraction.
Me is are genius
No, it am me.
+Ryan Lacroix no me it is genius
+Jonathan Lawton no, wrong nothing here
+green frog dayyy hate us because they dayyy ain't us
You obviously don't Green. Actually i think that at least some of us understand the urge for some kind of lonely abstract thoughts like he talks about in the video. That doesn't mean we are geniuses, but it makes us feel good to know that people like Richard Feynman and Isaac Newton had that trait. Don't you think that it is possible that you, also, might have this trait, or some sort of variation of it? I'd think its pretty popular. Anyhow, no biggie. Its a matter of how we want to spend time, our brains are trainable, you know?
When you start looking for more fitting words to explain certain things! Your are a genius!
The other major difference between Newton and Feynman was about 70 IQ points. Newton had an IQ score of approximately 200 whereas Feynman’s was about 130. This would explain the differences in their personalities as Feynman would find socializing with “common folk” much easier than Newton since he was much closer to them intellectually.
There is no way Feynman had an iq of 130. I have an IQ of nearly 140 and I’m dumb as toast.
If his IQ was seriously that low then he must have had the most insane work ethic on the planet. But I doubt it.
I honestly thought that when he made the comparison, you can't place Feynman in the ballpark as Newton when it comes to IQ. Newton had an IQ over 200. One in billions of people.
Stupidest logic I’ve ever heard
The most noticeable difference is they both recognized IQ scores are dog shit predictions
Look at all the geniuses in the comment section weighing in.
Thanks for the laugh 😂
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The smarter a person is the happier they are being alone and the less happy they are around a group.
create24 Yup! And shrinks should have more insight, I think they push the social life as cure-all because it is a kind of default solution to any emotional malady.
*****
How can you be sure of that?
David Digi I am not a stuck-up idiot and I don't hail myself smart, I don't hate other people I just like my solitude...why do you have a problem with that? Are you one of those "social" people who treats someone's need for solitude as standoffish just because you can't imagine why anyone can't see how fuckin' GREAT you are?
+create24
Thing is, school "teaches" you so much shit that when you experience the real world, you just know something is wrong and can't help but see it. When you know the world and the people around you are full of shit, listening to other people say things like "You are not smarter than anyone else, don't be so cocky/over-confident/etc" shouldn't mean anything.
If they claim you're cocky/over-confident , ask them a few questions about the subject. If you really know your stuff, you should be able to poke holes in any argument they come up with. If they can't answer or make a decent rebuttal, then that should tell you enough about that person and further discussion would be pointless. Confidence in understanding your position isn't over-confidence, the latter is an over compensation for a personal weakness you're trying to hide and it will show if you know the right probing questions. If you can make a person angry, they will reveal all kinds of things about themselves they wouldn't want other people to know.
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Yep that’s me in a nutshell. Always thought I was a genius. ;) Gleick is a great communicator. Chaos was such a great read and it totally opened my mind to a new view of the world around me.
Man’s said he’s just a mortal who can’t understand nor communicate like them but just explained his thoughts in perfect articulation to us! 🎉
his book on Richard Feynman ("Genius") was one of my favorite books of all time
THANK YOU. I will seek "Genius". I've read several of his books on various scientific topics including his excellent Newton biogr. Excellent because it gave a very good sense of Newton's work, genius, and personality, but it wasnt 600 pp. long. Some biographies detail everything Which can be fine but the details seem not to contribute. I have "Surely You're Joking, Mr. F." which is great.
Came here just to check I wasn't a scientific genious for all I could know... was a bit disappointed.
*Genius.
Smonjirez ..Not too great with words either
dont give up yet. you might just be qualified for being a dumbass :D
A lot of us would, trust me.
Ramiro El Gáname
*Marry.
What about "Endurance" ? I remember in my General psychology course Athletes (Marathon Runners) & Scientists have don't quiet easily they may work hard for one goal for more than a decade with out any reward we can take example of tomas Edison's effort to discover light bulb also Athlet Abebe bikela who raised in rural area of Ethiopia later break world marathon record with a bare foot even after car accident he lost his ablity to walk but while he was in hospital learn archery & participated on Olympic then he won on archery game despite of he played sitting on his wheelchair. So i believe their endurance is what makes genius different from ordinary people
I Understand what you say quite well. To grasp that pearl of wisdom within the mind, ( divine state of mind) is one of singularity, however arriving at that intensity of focus in mind, requires navigating ( interpreting a problem) on or thru many energetic? dimensions- which do commence with the literal and blatant understanding , but then extrapolate thru various dimensions of symbolism and abstraction etc. It is like the eloquence of a fine Chinese calligrapher, that with a single stroke encompasses many words.
simplified to one word: focus
this is overly simplified to the point of being uninformative.
kinda came up short. id say his answer is the ability to see and understand things clearly without the need for learned influence.
Which could be psychologically narrowed down to: autism.
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doodelay Yes.
I always say that the real sign of a genius are those that can remain focused on a single "thing" for prolonged periods of time. Viewing it from varying perspectives, repetitively over time, remaining focused on finding a ___________.
Now, whether or not they are using this focus for good or bad is another arguement entirely.
Non the less, if you have an interest or apptitude for some"thing", and can go to places and levels others can not fathum on thier own, you have potential beyond your peer humans.
And yes, this includes all types.
(all 'smart' folks who may attack grammar or spelling, Pshhh)
A passion for abstraction: That right there is, perhaps, the essential quality.
It is not that one might like or dislike sex, company, marriage, company, community, fun, or any other number of things. It is merely that there is simply too much to do, too little dual, concrete measured time (& space, and time/space) and energy (resources, material, tools) to achieve what must be achieved to breakthrough the current veil (matrix) of reality.
In order to reach & attain a summit -- which is, often, merely another peak, higher than the ones below (visually, figuratively, often literally) -- but lower than the higher peaks beyond (yet invisible further below), absolute concentration is needed. Or else.
It's simply hard work and little energy, time, or room is left over for other 'normal', often 'desirable' aspects of life.
To create -- especially to create at higher levels of abstraction, of intangibility, invisibility, impalpability, spaciousness, and vastness is physically (and psychologically, even spiritually) exhausting. It is taxing, demanding, potentially maddening -- literally -- and at the extremes, lethal.
Extreme abstraction -- intellectual exploration -- is a hazardous occupation and an extreme sport. It is a form of pioneering and genuine, literal exploration, linked to the opening up of new & unknown frontiers. It is akin to extreme mountaineering, and to sports, arts or expressions at the very edge of mastery and of the, up to than, impossible.
As with original pioneering, space travel, ultramarathons, deep sea immersion or other occupations into remote, isolated, rarified environments where normal conditions do not hold, extreme abstraction requires, no, demands, a special mindset, and self-discipline, and a manner of self-discovered & self-imposed training akin to that of extreme athletes, olympians or world-class CEOs.
Discipline is not optional; without it there can be no progress. And with it can come sadness, misery, depression, miserliness, arrogance, narcissism or any number of related traits that are certainly not fun nor desirable -- and which people capable of great abstraction are smart enough to be aware of... that is, if and when they allow themselves the bandwidth to do so.
It is not, i suspect, that a genius wishes to be distracted, insensible, asexual, no fun, a bad parent or sibling or child or partner, colleague, or teacher -- or indifferent, unkind, petulant, irritable, antisocial, etc., etc.
It is merely that she, or he, has actively chosen to focus, coarsegrain, zoom in, with such intensity, discipline, and purpose that he, or she, ends up transforming his or her body and being into a sort of steel bit at the end of the powertool of a broader body -- an academic discipline, a field of knowledge, a given community, society or nation, ultimately of Life itself.
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Maybe if you're using psychedelics there is danger I am unfamiliar with, but outside of that I think you're making a bigger deal out of the "a hazardous occupation and an extreme sport" than it actually is. Exploring meta-cognition is a great past time and tons of fun. It's common past time for philosophy nerds, and for anyone who is passionate about "extreme abstraction" anything written by Hofstadter is a great place to start.
Abstractions are interesting, because an abstraction can be broken into multiple abstractions. Eg, a hand, is it a singular thing? What about a palm, four fingers, and a thumb? All those parts coming together are a hand, but they're not a single thing. Is a hand truly singular? All abstraction can be broken up into pieces. No singular thing in reality is truly singular. By breaking something up into its pieces you get a higher resolution view of it. You can analyze and see details beyond the average person when you do this. This is one of the things that makes abstraction such an interesting topic.
Me: I got really deep into exploring what it means to be intelligent, and the deeper unconscious machinery of the mind that makes something out of nothing. This topic is called meta-physics. I then used this deep understanding to build a bridge, an isomorphism, between human intelligence and computer intelligence. I've been working as a data scientist ever since, specializing in cutting edge research on the topic. I love what I do and I'm grateful for stumbling into a pastime that can help make the world a better place. This is why hobbies are so important. Some of them can lead to a happy career, which is worth its weight in gold.
@@Danielle_1234 Thanks for the thoughtful, elaborate comment and feedback. I agree, you are right.
It's easier to put more thought into something when you're not being distracted by other thoughts or emotions. And the more of your brain you can use to concentrate on the subject/object of your concentration, the more that information makes itself available. And the more information you have, the better you can solve more problems
Individuality, nonconformity. Not bowing to peer pressure.
not true
It is true, it's not a single quality, but it's very true. Anyone that's ever changed anything learns the subject, but holds onto their intuitive ideals. If einstein was a conformist he would of rejected his own ideals and not presented general relativity, same for newton, eddie van halen, etc people who change the world don't do it through mental calculation, they do it with ideas, intuition and they hold onto their ideas.
So anyone who rebels has a higher chance of genius.
I don't buy it.
Any scientist that follows the scientific method bows to peer pressure. I think you're onto something. Free thinking? I'll give you that. Free thinkers are surely more intelligent.
GrimReapiN and thus you prove atheism does not increase intelligence. your entire point is pretty much, "So if a person adds extra letters to the English language that makes him more likely to be genius !? doesn't make sense!" his point was that in order to be a genius you also have to have the capacity to generally question preset systems of structure and Authority in order to develop a truly unique intellect. and living your entire life was such a capacity developed a very unique type of individual, a genius even. but because of the fact that your highest achievement of intellectual consideration and work was, "Atheism!" I doubt you understand.
I think he meant that individuality and nonconformity are usually necessary conditions for genius. They are not sufficient conditions for genius. If it was the latter, then it's surely wrong. I had a friend in high school that would stand up right in the middle of class and masturbate frantically for no reason. That's certainly nonconformist and he's certainly an individual. Where everyone else was bowing to peer pressure to stay sane, he stood erect as a beacon of rebellion. But come to think of it, his actions usually allowed him to get expelled from classes and yet he still passed all his exams and graduated.
A lot of people believe what make people smart is someones GPA level or how well they did on a test. The fact that they're a mathematician or not. Or how well a person did in college. Not to say you're not smart, but honestly you could drop out of college and still be more comparable to Einstein than someone who's the top of the class. Why? Because of a persons perception and experiences. People take information in differently. Process it differently. Not everyone has the same type of brain. Some brains are a little more complex, and some people just don't have the motivation to learn. They don't see the point.
When I was in high school I passed by having a 1.7 GPA. Low as fuck compared to most, but this is because I didn't care. Yet in college I passed with a 3.16. I cared to learn a little more. I started to process things differently as I grew older.
I like how he talks about abstract thinking. A lot of this is true for geniuses. Tesla was known partially as a mad scientist and yet by todays standards we know he was well beyond his time. You think that a thousand years ago the idea of flight was even conceivable? Fuck no. Yet today its as common as walking your dog.
We look at people and we see their faults. Oh he/she's a bad speller so he/she can't be smart. Or he/she doesn't understand the ideas as well as the other kids in the class so he/she must be slow. This isn't always the case. Talking about Einstein. The man believe it or not wasn't always the best in math when was younger, but this is because his brain was telling him other ways of solving a problem that the teachers just could not understand. He eventually made up his own equations. The rest is history.
So just remember. Just because you happen to have it easier than someone else in class doesn't make them stupid. It just means they're having a tougher time. They may even have a more complex brain than you do.
well said
+Onizuma13 Great comment and I can relate.
+Onizuma13 GPA can depend on both effort and intelligence, it's true that you don't HAVE to be smart to get a high GPA (not like school is designed for true 'intelligence'), you just have to try. What sets the smart people apart is that it probably takes them either less effort to produce very strong results, or they understand things much more in depth than the rest of the class. Then there's the people who just know how to work the system, which may or may not mean they're intelligent.
+Onizuma13 Explains all my life. Made me happier and gave me hope
+Onizuma13
_"You think that a thousand years ago the idea of flight was even conceivable? Fuck no."_
Conceivable? Sure. Google "Icarus". This may come across as an amazing idea to you, but ancient people just had to look at birds to realize that it was possible to fly.
_"Not to say you're not smart, but honestly you could drop out of college and still be more comparable to Einstein than someone who's the top of the class."_
Sure, if said person simply didn't give a flying fuck about his grades. However, you should agree that you'd be a complete moron if you were an employer and needed a really clever guy and ending up hiring a fresh college dropout in place of a proven mathematician with 180 IQ.
_"Why? Because of a persons perception and experiences."_
No. The very point of intelligence is that it's a form of general problem solving ability. Someone who's smart will surpass someone who is less smart very quickly even if the less smart person has had a ton of time to practice in advance, and the other way around, someone who's less smart will reach his level of incompetence quicker.
_"People take information in differently. Process it differently."_
That's right. And "different" doesn't necessarily mean "equally well". The most straight forward way to get some information about how well people can learn is to find some way of measuring their performance, which you, for some strange reason, appear to be violently opposed to.
_"Not everyone has the same type of brain. Some brains are a little more complex"_
Sure... some brains are "a little more complex" indeed. What on earth does that mean?
_"and some people just don't have the motivation to learn. They don't see the point."_
If you don't give enough of a fuck about a topic to even bother attempting to learn it, then I'm happy to agree with you that intelligence is irrelevant, but I fail to see how that's something that will be an issue often. Generally, when I don't give a shit about something I try to avoid it altogether.
focusing on something positive can get you out of your head. I think it is more about an emotional pain that can only be dulled by creative work. The more intense the pain the more you have to learn to focus to just survive.
When you are above average intelligence, you are almost alone in the world.
Nobody around you sees things the way you do. No body understands things the way you do.
Sometimes , even your closest friends "don't get it'.
It is hard to relate to people who are living in a different reality.
It is hard to find friends who understand things the way you do.
It is frustrating, because when you see a potential problem, recognise how to avoid it and try to tell others, they don't believe you.
They think you are crazy.
Later, many times much later, they tell you you were right, but that gives you no satisfaction, because your advise was ignored.
Many times your expertise threatens an insecure boss and he sabotages you, so he can remove the threat to his ego.
Sometimes, people hire you for your expertise, but then they completely ignore your advise and blunder into the problems that you could so easily see.
Sometimes, I think life would be easier if I was stupid.
Totally agree
Go bigger, it could be the only way