First Impressions: Senator President
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Two government offices in one pen. And it's impressive.
Here are two sales websites I discovered.
www.ideastage.com/Senator-Pre...
www.amazon.co.uk/Senator-PRES...
Here are the high resolution writing samples:
www.evernote.com/l/Anahlha5eE... - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
I can explain you exactly the thought process behind the naming.
- We need a cool name for the company!
- How about Senator? Sounds magnificent.
- Awesome!
Some years later:
- We need a cool name for the pen!
- How about President? Sounds magnificent.
- Awesome!
Good point!
I agree fully to this one. And president would most likely be the top of their line, like a president of a company or a society, who's signature is behind many important documents.
Fantastic find. Classic look with historical creds. Love the ink too. Enjoy it!
Thanks! Yes, a very classy pen.
Oh, Baby is right! That logo makes it even cooler. Looking forward to seeing more of it.
BTW, did you hear the big geek news: physicists at Yale can predict the jumps of Schrodinger’s cat?
phys.org/news/2019-06-physicists-schrodinger-cat.amp
I'm excited about this pen!
I'm on my way to a class, but I'll read that article tonight. Looks very interesting!
Is's great to see your excitement about this pen. Enjoy yourself and relish snagging it at such a good price.
I am thrilled with the pen and the price!
Fantastic find! Good choice with the ink too.
Thank you! Yes, they are good together!
I like the pen and ink choice. Good video as usual, will be looking forward to full review down the road.
Thank you! Yes, this was the first ink I thought of when I opened up the pen.
They are great pens! I have 4 of them and the 3 with gold nibs have bounce that others do not. there is a special edition that has a grey barrel and comes with a unique 3 sided wood box. 1 thing that I have found is that if you remove the nib to clean the inside the piston may stop working. Otherwise, it is an outstanding pen.
Funny that the nib and piston would be related in any way. But, yes, these are great pens. I haven't tried the steel nibs, but some like them less. Interesting about the box. I know that some of these were sold in spectacular boxes.
You perfectly select the ink to the pens I want to note. Very juicy writing.i impressed by your penhole in your pocket of the shirt very cozy for putting pens, you can do not to open the pocket).
Yes, that's a great feature of that shirt. I've never seen it on a shirt before.
And, yes, as soon as I saw the pen, I knew what ink to put in it!
Isn't "Senator President" just the pen brand and the model? I could be wrong, but it seems no different to me than a pen that was stamped "Montblanc President", or "Pilot Metropolitan".
Anyway, a great find and I really hope it lives up to your hopes after more testing.
You know, pen size or pen weight doesn't seem to make much different to me. I love pens the size of the Metropolitan, and I love pens the size of the Montblac 149. Or the Namiki Emperor, for that matter. The Jinhao 159 doesn't strike me as heavy at all. It's just big. I love writing with a very light pens. I always keep a big bundle of the Pilot Varsity to use as giveaway pens, and to throw into camping/fishing bags that might no be used for long periods because the Varsity never, ever seems to dry up. Anyway, once or twice a year I'll get on a Varsity kick and use one as a daily writer until it runs dry.
But I also have two pens that weigh one hundred and twenty-five grams capped or, if I remember correctly, about ninety grams uncapped. This is heavy by any standard, but I love writing with them, even for hours at a time.
I don't know why I'm so indifferent to size and weight of pens. I remember being surprised that this is considered unusual, but it's the way I've been since I bought my first fountain pen when I was eight years old, though I certainly didn't have any pens that weighed four and a half ounces at that age.
I agree on the name. But my US bias means I see two government offices. Of course, a Platinum President didn't bother me because it mixed a precious metal with a government office.
Ähm... as a German. A president is called Präsident in Germany and is a leader of a company of some sort or the “Bundespräsident”, similar to the president of the US, but the German one doesn’t have a whole lot of power, his tasks are more representative. The parliament (Parlament -> Bundestag) has more power. A senator is also called a “Senator” and the senate is called “Senat”. But senates aren’t that common, especially not in the government. Germany is divided into 16 “Bundesländer”, similar to the states of the US, just less independent. And there are a few Bundesländer that basically are just a single town (Stadt), so called “Stadtstaaten” (Berlin, Hansestadt Hamburg, Hansestadt Bremen), and these governments have senates. But all in all Senatoren/senators aren’t extremely common in Germany, but it is pretty much the same thing. Präsident/president is much more commen (e.g. Bundespräsident, Präsident of a company).
(Hansestadt -> Hanseatic town) just a few towns that collaborated in a “Hanse” (Hansa) a long time ago. Mostly town at the shore or big rivers that where heavily involved into trading.
Too long didn’t read:
Senator: Exists, means the same, very uncommon
Präsident: Exists (leader of a company or Germany (Bundespräsident similar to the US president, but less power, more representative tasks), means the same
Thank you for the detail. I suppose my struggle is looking for a meaning in the full name while they're really saying "Senator pen's best pen." Somewhat like Platinum President really is not referencing the government office or the precious metal.
But I'll be back on this when I review the Senator Regent in a few weeks...
I’m glad that I was able to help a little bit and just by the way, as you mention it, “Regent” translates to ruler. Regent is a word that doesn’t get a lot of use these day. I don’t even know when I heard it the last time.
Opel (German car manufacturer, the old ones are a lot nicer than the new ones in my opinion, anything 90s and younger is definitively not my cup of tea) has a similar nomenclature... They had models like the Diplomat, Admiral, Senator, Kapitän (Captain). And those where generally speaking there high end cars. They even had a Kadett (cadet), the other ones where pre 90s, I think. The Kadett was their entry level car for quite a long time (also a lot of pre 90s version of this car), before the Corsa (maybe short for Korsar (corsair), very sea themed naming I notice... They even had a Manta) came out in the 90s, which they still have in their product line until now. Damn they even had a Commodore! I think that’s how they made clear where you were in their line up. I never really thought about this, because I’m not really into Opel.
Great review, I was particularly interested in the ink and relieved when reading the comments to find that it would generally be considered a drier ink. My extremely strong preference is to steer clear of any pen that gushes ink and I even experienced a bit of a "yuck" moment when you started writing and the ink was just lying in pools on the paper. Mind you, I knew what was coming the minute I saw the B on the nib! One of the things I love about fountain pens and the community is that all the varieties of pen and ink tastes can be happily accommodated.
Yes, it is a wetter pen. This is a fun pen for writing letters and admiring ink. This is not a pen I would use for note-taking or business type writing.
Just. Wow. That pen must be at the blingiest end of your collection I bet, with you not being much of a bling guy. It looks amazing in the box, it writes beautifully with a stubbish wet line. I'm not fond of logos on things, and don't like a lot of embellishments, but this is a great pen - you got a great deal! [and, yeah, much nicer than a MB]
Well done, I love your enjoyment of this, as always... thanks for sharing
It is a lot of bling! But it does write well.
I don't usually like logos, but the logo on this one is unique here in the US, and gives the pen a story.
I have to admit you coverage of Senator fountain pens has me fighting myself in a desire to try them. This is a gorgeous pen... I love those black pens. If you get tired of this pen pals let me know.
There are a few amazing Senators! And, you'll be first on the list if, somehow, I get tired of this one!
I believe the name means the same from a German perspective. They have two chambers of the parliament - Bundestag and Bundesrat. They also have a federal president, although with a lot more less prerogatives than in the U.S.
Thank you! Yes, the German President is very different from the US office.
That is a very beautiful pen! And also a great nib. But I am more on the F side of nibs. Congratulations for this great new pen.
Thank you! Yes, I'm amazed by the nib. You might like the fine point Pilot Custom 823 I'm using today.
@@WaskiSquirrel Yes, maybe; or the F nib of the Pilot Bamboo I've been using for the last couple of weeks.
Thank you Jason . Nice pen !
Yes indeed!
@@WaskiSquirrel I think the Senator being the manufacturer and calling the pen President & ending up with Senator President would only be confusing in the US , Senators in europe to my knowledge do not exist although the word means the same. President again is different in europe its often the president of a company. Perhaps a less confusing way to put it in the US would by The President model by Senator. :-)
Matthew +1
I think you explained that perfectly. That is how I see it at least.
Pen companies do enjoy unintentionally confusing us sometimes ☺️. Specifically things like the Pilot Falcon that doesn’t have a Falcon nib, and MB calling their 146 the Diplomat - until the company Diplomat took offence (or at least that’s what I had read). It’s a good job us fountain pen crazies can understand them 😉
Hey Waski!
I am not just saying this, it really reminds me of my MB 149 in size, style and the fact all MB nibs over M are stub like.
I have a 2016 Rose Gold 149 in B and I have to say I don’t like it very much 😕. Personal preference of course but I very rarely use it and I sometimes grow angry at having spent so much money for it (had it new from MB)
I prefer your Senator and it seems a bit of an ink hose. Whoa there cowboy 😉
With the right ink you could be sheening for the championships ☺️
Edit: loved your video dear - superb ink choice!!
I will have to try a sheening ink next! And I am enjoying this pen a lot. I did a lot of writing with it last night and look forward to more tonight.
Very nice pen and writer! Nice and wet!
Thank you. Yes, I'm thrilled with it!
Jason, I might suggest that the two titles ~ 'Senator' & 'President' are in no way linked. Senator (obviously) is the brand name; the pen is a 'President' model: The incongruity is simply, that, & I doubt that when Senator issued this pen, such a 'marriage' of names was inadvertent - tho' clearly utilised to appear impressive, status-driven - with a modicum of hyperbole thrown in for good measure. It's a beautiful looking instrument, & writes very nicely; I look forward to a fuller review. There is (without doubt) a discernible resemblance to the M-B 149. I cannot say that I really like company logo brands on pens, tho' I do own a skinny Pelikan from the '70's with the Volkswagen name atop the cap, & it's minimalist, so not bothersome. That 4001 Violet ink is outstanding - I'll have to order a bottle. Wonderful first impressions - thank you :D
That makes sense on the name!
I don't usually like the splashy logos, but this one is unique here in the US and gives the pen a story.
Exactly, Jason....I do like the pens I own that possess a (hi)story....in a peculiar way, I believe it gives them a little more credence .
Great looking pen that certainly echoes the Montblanc 159. I believe that a couple of years ago Montblanc produced a limited edition pen honoring JFK that they called the President. Your pen seems to be older than that. Otherwise I would have guessed that Senator was following Montblanc's lead.
I'm not certain how old this pen is. But I think it is certainly going for the same aesthetic as the Montblanc.
The words "Senator" and "President" have the same meaning in German as in English, though connotations might be different as senators don't exist and the President has a mostly ceremonial role in Germany
Berlin, Hamburg and Bremen still have a Senat, but other than that... I’m not really aware of one.
Thank you! Yes, one trouble is interpreting a German name for a pen through my US mind.
If it's from the cold war (East Germany?) their economics worked differently. While eastern block products were often the butt of jokes about quality, it is also true that products could also be made with higher quality than in the west. This is because the state controlled the price of everything, so materials could be much cheaper, probably labour, and even the product itself if they so desired.
I recently bought a Jh 159 and I really like it. Smooth, wet, bouncy nib and solid feel. I believe Chinese pen makers in general are getting much better.
This would have been a West German pen. But I agree on the rest that you said. I have a number of pens from behind the Iron Curtain, and they are really amazing.
Also agreed on the Chinese pen makers. @chrisrap52 follows them, and he has shown some amazing pens on his channel.
amazing pen. no point buying a MB149 when you have this at a good price. maybe you preesed to hard on the nib (railroading i guess) and thats why did not keep with the ink. really nice and lucky you....they are not available on amazon uk anymore. ty
I've never used a MB149, but I think I agree. Not sure why it didn't keep up, maybe because I was writing too fast.
I got mine on eBay, but the two sales websites I linked suggest it was sold relatively recently, and can even still be bought at a premium.
Plastic leather...hmmmm. that reminds me of the 'Corinthian Leather' that Ricardo Montalban spoke of back in the day when referring to the Chrysler Cordoba.
I remember that car! Fun that they had Khan (of Star Trek fame) as their spokesperson.
I can never forget Fantasy Island, Montalban played Mr. Roarke....Such a good character.
Beautiful pen! Some Pelikan ink is said to be on the dry side. This one seems very wet. It could be due to the nib and feed of this particular pen. How has this ink behaved in other pens?
This ink does lean dry. So, while I'm enjoying this combination, I look forward to learning what the pen can do with some other inks!
I also have this ink, only used it in a Jinhao 992 F so far. I can’t say if it is wet or dry, but I’m not having any issues with it. It writes well so far. It is definitely not extremely dry, I think.
Hi Andrew,
You are quite right in what you say, some Pelikan (specifically the 4001 line) do tend to be on the dry side.
Confusingly the 4001 Turquoise isn’t actually that bad and I would almost say is in the centre, but the Blue/Black which actually has small amounts of Iron Gall is much drier and tends to tar the rest with the same label. I have never used purple to my shame so I can not comment there. Oddly the blue-black I am lead to understand isn’t easy to get in the US as it has an ingredient I don’t think they approve of, but that might have been relaxed now.
Pelikan’s premium Edelstein line suffer from no such dryness and all have excellent flow regardless of colour.
It's been my experience that purple inks tend to flow well, irrespective of brand.
That looks like a lovely pen! I think you are being a little unfair to Montblanc by assuming that the MB149 weighs as much as a Jinhao 159. They are not similar pens. The MB is a resin pen, the Jinhao is brass. I have a 149 from the 1980's. It weighs 31g, has an ebonite feed and writes like a dream. I understand that the modern 149's use a brass screw drive mechanism for the piston that does add a little weight, but they still don't achieve the brick-like heft of the dreaded Jinhao. Granted, they are expensive. But, I still don't understand why they are so frequently dismissed as somehow not being worthy of consideration.
I didn't mean to imply the weight of the Jinhao and Montblanc were the same. I merely meant the size, which I think is fair.
I don't know why the Montblanc doesn't appeal to me. I own some vintage pens of the brand and like them very much. For some reason, the MB149 just doesn't appeal to me aside from a general curiosity to try it.
I really like this pen. Very wet....loved it.
Yes! It's really a good pen!
Think Platinum President Pen. Company name & model name.
True, but a funny combination.
What interests me is the story behind this pen and the inscription. This is wide open to speculation. Presumably given to a high ranking official of a Ukraine Coal Mining company. Was this a gift for retirement or long service? If so, you would expect the name of the person to be engraved on the barrel. Then I wonder why the original owner parted company with the pen and how did it end up in the United States? I don't suppose we will ever know.
Vintage pens come with a story. This one isn't very old, but definitely has a story. That I got it with the original packaging and even the tag on the clip suggests that the recipient of the gift never used it. Or maybe they never got the gift?
Nice. Does jowo no.6 nib fit in this pen?
It looks like it is that size. But I'm not giving up my wonderful Senator nib!
I don't have a hole 😭
Sorry, I'm missing that reference...
@@WaskiSquirrel Hole in my pocket 😆
love this pen! fun fact: i sell those :-) not a cheap pen ^^+gg
I have heard that about this pen. I think I got lucky with mine, probably because of the branding. Out of curiosity: are the pens you sell new? And do you brand them like this one?
@@WaskiSquirrel you can't buy them by yourself! you need a reseller (like me or others). and yes! with laser-engraving you can do what ever you want! mostly we put the company-logo on one side and the name on the other side ... looks good, because you laser out the surface and get the script / logo in gold ...