To be fair, that's their standard practice. The little Cherubs that come with Sisters of Battle squads also count as miniatures for packaging purposes, despite not counting as miniatures for rules purposes.
Shout out to GW keeping the trend alive of including a leader that does not fit in the set it comes in. First the Biologis in a box with zero gravis units and now this with two terminator leaders and only one terminator squad. Really smart planning
One of the big problems, to me, is how restrictive it is with who can join what units - there are so many kinds of marines and they can only be led by certain leaders. I was just starting to build DA army in 9th and when 10th landed, and I ended up with an additional primaris leader on one hand, and on the other hand I had squads with Terminator Armor, Gravis Armor, and Phobos Armor with no leaders... I feel like I'm stuck in this spot where I have to buy more models I don't want just to give my extra leader something to do, or just not use them and build/paint a different kind of leader to support my un-led units. I get that there's some logic to have like units lead their squads, but it feels very restrictive when many leaders are kind-of useless on their own.
The only space marine combat patrol was the ones with all those Phobos marines and the impulsor. Now GW can’t even be bothered to put in a full 10 man squad of intercessors.
My first 40k box was a Space Marine Battleforce. It came with a Landspeeder, 3 Bikes, 5 Terminators, 10 Tactical Marines and a set of ruins. It was £40 for 566 points. If you bought a £4 HQ Blister you had a legal 650 point army. You could get to 1k for shy of what you pay for these.
If I am understanding correctly - the unit list points out at the 1998 battleforce - the MSRP back then was of around 75$, which in inflation-adjusted modern dollars would be around 140$. Still an _extremely_ aggressive price, compared to today, but surely not 40£.
I remember the £40 boxes. Usually got one for Christmas and birthdays, had the marine one, the tyranid one and a fantasy dark elf one. Even when they went up to £50 it was a great bargain
@@lewisbenzie845 I see that prices have risen well above inflation and yeah, we can talk about great sculpts but the sculpts in that battleforce were, for their day, the best sculpts GW produced so I'm not sure what your point is. Indeed, the Landspeeder and Bikers that are being discontinued this codex have been updated once since 1999 for ease of assembly but otherwise are stylistically almost indistinguishable. The biker was given a rounded hip joint, separate head and front/back torso instead of a flat hip, single torso and head combo. The Landspeeder was given separate weapon options and some of of larger hull plates were made into small pieces for ease of assembly. Technology for sculpting and casting has come on tremendously since 1999. Are you suggesting it is more expensive to sculpt now than it was back then?
Why do none of you 'smart boys' on the internet understand inflation. It's literally what you learn before you even START school, let alone learn it in school. Stop wasting my oxygen.
I remember saying this was gonna happen when starter sets were still being predicted and even after there contents were confirmed. I was like the combat patrol is going to be bad and it’s gonna be like the third time in as many moths they tried to sell us the same minis just for a little more money each time
@@Bran_Redmaw it'll last until 11th edition when they put out a enw combat partrol based around the 11 edition launch set. expect this to be the norm for the SM Combat patrol box moving forward
This is literally the Family Member buys thing at store because they are familiar with you being in this hobby and not realizing how bad of a value box it is type Box Set.
As an employee of an independent retailer I really want to thank GW for doing the favor of not allowing us to stock these stinkers and making them web store exclusive. I'll be sure never to order any in for our store should they change that availably.
@@FirenSolaris having played against the Space marine for Combat Patrol, it really feels like it's missing another unit. Was 12 models against my 31 for World Eaters. Space Marines were tabled beginning of turn 4.
The only box set with few minis that could possibly be good value would be the custodes cus technically 3 bikes, 55 golden bois, and 10 sisters of silence is like 2/3rds of a full army right there.@@MrHoneuma
@@MrHoneuma when I played the space marine combat patrol. I have problems to secure objective because, the enemy who has only one unit more can better hold and secure objectives. Instead 2 leaders (cap and librarian) they should reduce to 1 leader and add 5 intercessors or something else cheap point unit.
Seriously. Just get a leviathan box. Even if you can't get someone to take the Tyranid parts off of you it's still a better deal. Twice as many Infernus Marines, Sternguard veterans, a Lieutenant, an apothecary, and a Dreadnought. And you even get a rulebook and a mission deck for your troubles
It really is a shame GW decided to charge so much for their Combat Patrols and decided they all needed to cost the same. Leads to crummy situations like this.
This is what ALL content creators should be doing. Saying it how it is, telling us when something is good and something is bad. Hate how GW has influence over a lot of content creators and bat rep channels now. Can’t trust everything they say as you can tell some of them now won’t dare step out of line and call things out for what it really is. Cheers Auspex !
@@sagacity1071if you were to actually watch Valrak then you would know he does very much get out of line with GW, so much so that they have blacklisted him out of any type of sponsorship or even acknowledgement. Of course you are free to dislike him, but he is definitely not a shill for GW.
And gullible people like you are the reason they do this, you poor thing. Do you genuinely think the price tag is justified for the costs and quality of the product? Is it just sunk cost that keeps you defending them? The company has an insane 30% profit margin, they don’t care if you defend them.
They could of done two things two make this worth while. 1. Add a vehicle dreadnought or tank. 2. Add terminator chaplin and increase one or both squads to ten men.
Can they just start reprinting the "Start Collecting" series please? Aside from being very obvious in the name alone what they were meant to do, they were amazing boxes and fantastic ways to buy minis. Could they also start with Chaos Space Marines please?
Combat patrol is a separate game to the normal 40K, but I can't help,feeling one less character and a additional 5 man squad of infernus merianes or Termies would be better for everyone
I bought the old combat patrol at the end of 9th, which i thought was a great box, especially back when it could be had for £65. Holding out hope that they make a "vanguard combat patrol" rule set
Why can’t GW make a Battle Patrol box that has a Captain, a full Intercessor Squad, a Eradicator Squad, and a Dreadnaught. I’m tired of the half squads.
The greed coming from the GW execs is killing this hobby for me. I have lost all interest in 10th and I'm looking to other games to fill the hobby gap.
While it is bad, I came from mtg, spending $80 for a plastic dreadnought with claw arms is significantly more worthwhile than buying a playset of fetch lands for $80+
Good. Leave the hobby. I encourage you. This broke ass loser whining is what ruins the game for me. Hearing Muppets whine non stop is what's ruined the community
@@lewisbenzie845he isnt going anywhere. Will just whine and blame GW for his poor life choices that led to him not being able to afford some children's toys
I think this shows the issue of primaris squads being locked into one weapon type. A new player would probably rather have a squad that lets them experiment with different weapons like you could with tactical marines or devastators. A new player isn’t going to get much use or experience from a niche weapon squad, let alone from a flamer one. They should’ve thrown in regular intercessors instead and the regular intercessor kit should be optional between assault or tactical intercessors, like how csm’s can take wither bolters or chainswords. Lets new players decide if they wanna go melee or ranged
I already have the leviathan box so this and the nid patrol boxes are useless to me. Having the combat patrol also in the starter boxes seems weird to me, the old space marine and nid CP boxes seems useable and could use special rules for balance in the CP game mode like how they did with Custodies.
New player here. I got the Leviathan set so I've essentially got the Combat Patrol and I've started my playing experience using them for simplicity. There have been obvious pros and cons from the outset. From a pro's perspective, having just 2 squad and two characters has made it much easier and quicker for me to pick up the basics of the game. It's also been nice to have a tough unit in the Terminators so that I've been able to do and take damage easily. From a negative perspective, it's clearly an uncompetitive Combat Patrol, with little tactical flexibility for capturing objectives (with effectively only 3 units on the board), and as per the video, whichever character has to go unaccompanied is effectively rather vulnerable despite their terminator armour. In a no victory points punch-up it also quickly becomes a slow war of attrition to see if the terminator squad with attached character can wipe out as many of the enemy as possible, as the infernus squad and solo character are quickly targeted and destroyed when faced with more mobile and numerous enemy units. All said, from a financial perspective I'm glad I got them through Leviathan rather than via Combat Patrol, and I can see how they have some gaming value, but are best considered as a starter/taster experience, albeit a very expensive one in term of points and pounds.
I wish GW would sell combat patrols that all give you at least 500 points and just have a flat discount for the boxs compared to buying the models separately
I quite liked the Death Guard box, but I liked the idea of a hoard of zombies 🧟♂️ I got it when it came out, but in hindsight I probably wouldn’t buy it now if I’m being honest.
I think the key is that people will buy multiple boxes if the "combat patrol" is reasonably priced and contains no unique characters. What are you going to do with 2 of Typhus or Ahriman? An overpriced unique character removes the value of buying a 2nd or even 3rd box. Or even a 1st box if somehow you already have the special character.
@@aaronsomerville2124 But it's good if you don't have any of that... did you even read that guy's post before you contradicted him? Like, where do you feckers all come from? You're like frogspawn. Or virus bacteria. Internet Contrarians...
Re do the Leviathan box and leave out the book and cards. Replace the the hard back book with the mini core rules book and call it the Ultimate Ultimate starter set. It doesn't even need to be in a nice box.
At that point just sell half leviathan boxes. Only nids and only marines and make it reasonable price and gw would get money like never before but these people are just brain dead morons with zero clue how a market works and just rather shoot themselves in the foot
For Combat Partrol, I think its pretty bad too for playing. You only get two unit bricks, three for the charater. You will just get out maneuvered by your opponent.
Thx for this video. After a long absence (fantasy Bretonnia player left around 2014) I’m looking at a new 40k army. Comparing it to other boxes it seemed very few models for the same price. Is every new army box not so good?
I would of rather seen the vanguard box set released again with a vehicle as a combat patrol. It would of also gave people the chance to get suppressors since GW has never released them separately
Every time I see the horrific price creep with every new release, I keep thinking to myself "I remember when the Land Raider was $40" I feel like a geezer constantly referencing how cheap fuel was in the 60s.
@@Bobamelius That's what it is, that's all... everything is more expensive than it was last year, and more expensive again than two years ago and so on. You are literally not the first person I've had to explain all this to on a Games Workshop video, I doubt you'll be the last with the amount of utter horse-plop you guys seem to inhale constantly.
If this Combat Patrol was all Multipart kits, especially for the Terminators, the Captain and the Infernus Marines, this may have been decent after the discontinuation of the starter set
I’m so glad they removed a whole awesome box full of infiltrators eliminators an lt that actually fit suppressors and an impulsive on a great deal that would be amazing to see in combat patrol just to push their new terminators onto people who would’ve wanted them already have.
To be fair the best value for money here is either a Leviathan half for the pretty much the same price - or if you can find the box itself and sell off the nids half for even better value. Pretty much double the amount of marines for the same price! This is such a poor combat patrol box from GW...
The store in my city does combat patrol tournaments and I felt like the space marines were a little underpowered against heavy machines. I lost against the admech combat patrol last week, I'll be facing the necron one next week, and I don't feel like I have a great chance at beating them lmao
So glad I spent circa £100 on Leviathan. Money saved purchased equivalent to the Nachmund terrain set Painstakingly but patiently, across one month, I’ve purchased everything separately from box splitters on eBay. Meaning I’ve had leviathan and Nachmund for £160 altogether, can’t grumble
I just need to point out GW miniatures are all monopose now. Who would create a box of Sisters Noviates with separate faces? Not heads but faces! I love a good monopose miniature to bulk out an army on the troops side but the current trend is horrendous from a build and accessibility point. I miss the good old days of 3rd/4th edition miniatures where we had truly multi pose minis available. As for this combat patrol it’s a hard pass for me, I’d probably just buy the full starter set instead. Auspex yet again providing excellent consumer advice.
I got newbie trapped by this after getting a glowing recommendation for it from my local GW store manager, and spent time painting it only to see that i'll never use any of it in an actual game. I guess the real purpose of this kit as part of the starter set is to prepare the customer for what Games Workshop is like.
Its pretty much standard for the hobby. Just take a look at other games with similar quality models. Star Wars Legions, Infinity, Fallout Wasteland Warfare, Malifaux - all have similar prices
It would have been a much better box if they had included a cool unique midel like ancient in terminator armour or a cool new lieutenant that is exclusive to this box. Otherwize the box just looks like a way that GW get their moneys worth of the moulds or excess stock from the leviathin box.
So what's a good alternative? I'm not really into the whole "you have to buy the combat patrol boxes to play combat patrol" thinking. If I want a 500 point Marine army, what's my best purchases?
nothing. Pure predatory pricing. If you are a new player the best value is in an Ultimate Starter Set box or Leviathan box but even those 2 boxes either need additional content by buying the respective codices and/or index plus data sheet cards. If you want to upgrade to 10th edition you have no real value.
I mean, you don't have to buy the Combat Patrol box to play Combat Patrol, you just need those specific models. Buying the box is just a way to get all of the models in one place. I'm pretty sure the rules for the Combat Patrol armies are free on the website? So as long as you have the models assembled, you're good. You shouldn't build a 500 point army, that's just too small. Maybe build up 500 points to start with just so you don't overwhelm yourself with too much to paint, but if you're looking to play, I really think 1000 points is your "small and simple game" cutoff (unless you are specifically playing Combat Patrol in which all the lists are about 400-600 points). I've made a bunch of 1000 point armies that seem fun to play and pretty simple; 500 points basically gets you a single character and a few squads at best and the balance of the game itself is all out of wack. I'm looking to start Space Marines by buying the Blood Angels and Dark Angels Combat Patrols and combining them, they make almost exactly 1000 points together and it's got some really cool units. I'll buy a Captain and some other units I really like to flesh it out later. Basically, find the box that has units you think are cool in it, and start from there. There might not be one with the units you specifically think are cool; in that case you might want to start piecemeal, buying a box or two of units, building and painting those, and then moving forward.
Or the Ultimate Starter set. You will get the Space Marine and Tyranid combat patrol, the mini rule book, boards to play on plus some terrain. You can sell what you don't need or have a extra army you can use if you are introducing someone to the game.
Haven’t even gotten past the ad and all I care about is that the box in the thumbnail doesn’t have marines in Phobos armor. I would rather have whatever is in this box
The sad part is they could have easily fixed this by swapping out the Captain for the Sternguard Veterans instead and give their Oath the 1st Company version. I don't think it would have been OP, but changing the Oath wouldn't be necessary to make it more playable. Just drop one of the characters for a legit squad.
I have been, if not exactly sympathetic to GWs pricing in the past, at least understanding of it. This one is completely inexplicable, though. Even outside of the presence of starter sets, this is hands down one of the worst value patrols they've ever done. Not even 10 Infernus?!? If these were at least multi part kits it would be *something*, but this is just complete garbage
Honestly, when I first started playing warhammer last year I was really set on getting the old space marines combat patrol, I thought it was pretty good, but when I saved up to get it (at the time I wanted it it was £90 ) I went in to the store and low and behold this absolute crap. I couldn’t even get it because they upped the price to £95, it’s literally a scam.I instead bought the eldar combat patrol, and honestly for a beginner speaking for eldar, it was worth it, I remember beating my friend twice with just the units in the box.
So this box is half of the Space Marine half of Leviathan, that really sucks. They could have waited and put in a unit of Sternguard with jump marines or something.
1 Pound sterling = 1.22 US Dollar on 30 Sep 23 ( + shipping 14 Pound sterling from ebay ) 95 pounds sold to colonies at $160 95 pounds + 14 pounds = 104 Pound sterling = $126.85 what a nice mark up , $34 extra profit each box
Basically half the marine contents of leviathan which if workshop continues with their current model will release next year in a magazine and you’ll pick up these for about 30 pounds
Honestly, even if this box was good money wise I still think it's just kinda eh Imo the Combat Patrols need some kind of big vic or monster in them as well, even if it's just an Impulsor or something. Not saying Termies aren't cool but it still feels kinda lacking. Like imagine if there was a Dreadnought in there, painted up to look Venerable even as a Redemptor or something. So honestly, kinda glad this is an online only thing for the peeps that want the minis but nothing else
The fact this lacks a vehicle makes a bad box all the more worse. Your paying the same amount as other combat patrols and get a fraction of the plastic. Really makes you think twice about getting into the hobby when they keep doing shady stuff like this.
Everything About This Box Is Great Except The Trash-Useless Infernus Marines; Only 5 by The by And The Lack of a Bundle Discount; My God And The Fact that These Are Leftovers of The Shit Leviathan Model Versions; My God And The Forced Details; My God And That like Most GW Products, It’s Intensely Overpriced; My God Besides All That I Love The Premise of a Full Terms Box I Was So happy to See This Until I Remembered GW Is Incapable of Efficient Business So Great, Time to await for an Actually Enticing Box again Yay.
Its just critical analysis. AT should always be like this. The average player is a dumb animal being herded by an apex predator. So much of the ‘hobby’ is marketing yet its lapped up as entertainment. The situation is getting worse.
Thats just the starter box cut in half. I have the starter and I didn’t like that all the figures have no weapon options. As a combat patrol box, that is really the worst
It's a bad purchase because it lacks the MVP: The Apothecary Biologis. That guy is just the coolest thing in Leviathan next to some of the nids as a model and oddly it only exists in the leviathan box right now.
Emperor bless those who play Astartes and subsidise the hobby for the rest of us. This is obvs aimed at people very new to the hobby, or for parents buying for their kids at Christmas.
The DG one is still the worst IMO as it actively discourages buying more than 1 of them because it has a NAMED CHARACTER in the box. It was so bad in 9th because of that and the fact it was illegal to field what you got in the box with DGs rules but the Epic Hero rule in 10th continues to make it terrible.
I just got the ultimate starter set because it contains basically both this set and the Tyrannids, plus some structural sets and other stuff for like £30 more than what the combat set costs.
This combat patrol box may be favourable if they raise the prices of the single boxes! Terminator Squad raise from 55€ to 75€, Captain from 34€ to 50€, Libarian from 32,50€ to 40 € and Infernus Squad from 25€ to 35€. Or GW is not good in math?
The only reason i got this models is because i wanted a Terminator Librarian and still i got them by 40 bucks But yeah this is a terrible box and even with a 10 man infernus is not great for play, one of your characters is alone and free to get killed inmediatly and everything else wont survive being focused by other combat patrols firepower potential
I agree that the new Space Marines Combat Patrol is the worst ever. I don’t know what GW is thinking releasing this only two months after the 10e Starter Sets. GW should’ve bundled some of the new SM kits into a combat patrol, like the Jump Pack Intercessors, Jump Pack Captain, Desolation Squad, and a Brutalis or Ballistus Dreadnought. That would’ve been a good combat patrol, which wouldn’t have overlapped with the 10e Starter Sets. Perhaps one overlapping unit, like an Infernus Squad, would’ve been acceptable for the CP box, but those 4 units are identical to the SM half of the Ultimate Starter Set, which is a far better deal.
I wonder if this was made to make customers feel smart by purchasing the Starter Set instead of THIS, Infact all its doing is boosting sales of their starter sets for the Investors!
Its absurd. Leviathan was £150 on launch, had another 13 miniatures, as well as 47 tyranids. This also included rules for the new edition. Only 2/3 more expensive than this turd
It's almost like the Aos and 40k side are playing a game. AoS: "LOL we just made a new Vanguard Orruk Warclan set that is not worth buying" 40k: "Oh yeah hold my beer"
Even better, get the ULTIMATE Starter Set for $210 USD and get exactly the Space Marines Combat Patrol (including Librarian) and exactly the Tyranid Combat Patrol (including Barbgaunts) PLUS terrain and 2 Gaming Boards...
same reason the other marine combat patrols only have 5 man squads. They'd actually be worth buying if you got a good amount of marines. Boggles the mind why GW didn't significantly boost their sales by just including an extra sprue worth of 5 marines in each of them instead of playing the artificial scarcity/value game with these boxes over the last couple of editions.
Whoever designed this combat patro, the Tyranid combat patrol, and the starter sets should be disciplined. That bonehead cost GW a ton of money by making what amounts to duplicate Leviathan boxes lite that no one who has any inkling of knowledge about the game will buy.
The SM and Nid patrols are basically production overrun . This explains the duplicate minis etc. If GW threw in a sprue of 5 Intercessors or something, it would help a lot.
2:50 bad news about that, the terminator captain's new rules mean he's lost over 50% of his loadout options, from 9 options down to 4. No hammers, claws, shields, grenade launcher, or chainfist for him according to news about updated datacards
Minor thing, but they're also counting the teleport beacon as a miniature on the box when they advertise "13 miniatures"
They kinda have to
@@manuelsaavedra8081yah they always do, same with stuff like drones and cherubs
To be fair, that's their standard practice. The little Cherubs that come with Sisters of Battle squads also count as miniatures for packaging purposes, despite not counting as miniatures for rules purposes.
Its the usual. Cherubs are counted towards the 11 miniatures shown for Battle Sisters box with 10 of em.
Its the usual. Cherubs are counted towards the 11 miniatures shown for Battle Sisters box with 10 of em.
Shout out to GW keeping the trend alive of including a leader that does not fit in the set it comes in. First the Biologis in a box with zero gravis units and now this with two terminator leaders and only one terminator squad.
Really smart planning
They probably do it on purpose
One of the big problems, to me, is how restrictive it is with who can join what units - there are so many kinds of marines and they can only be led by certain leaders. I was just starting to build DA army in 9th and when 10th landed, and I ended up with an additional primaris leader on one hand, and on the other hand I had squads with Terminator Armor, Gravis Armor, and Phobos Armor with no leaders... I feel like I'm stuck in this spot where I have to buy more models I don't want just to give my extra leader something to do, or just not use them and build/paint a different kind of leader to support my un-led units. I get that there's some logic to have like units lead their squads, but it feels very restrictive when many leaders are kind-of useless on their own.
Unfortunately it is smart planning, because they make these decisions based around tempting you to purchase more minis. Crazy right?
As of 10th, the Orks have one of these too...
@@funkwolf or tempting me to just give up and play other games ;-)
The only space marine combat patrol was the ones with all those Phobos marines and the impulsor. Now GW can’t even be bothered to put in a full 10 man squad of intercessors.
Even then, it was half full of the ugly tacticool infiltrators that nobody wants or loves
My first 40k box was a Space Marine Battleforce. It came with a Landspeeder, 3 Bikes, 5 Terminators, 10 Tactical Marines and a set of ruins. It was £40 for 566 points. If you bought a £4 HQ Blister you had a legal 650 point army. You could get to 1k for shy of what you pay for these.
2013 - £60
2003 - £80
Do you see the pattern? Not to mention the sculpt quality.
If I am understanding correctly - the unit list points out at the 1998 battleforce - the MSRP back then was of around 75$, which in inflation-adjusted modern dollars would be around 140$. Still an _extremely_ aggressive price, compared to today, but surely not 40£.
I remember the £40 boxes. Usually got one for Christmas and birthdays, had the marine one, the tyranid one and a fantasy dark elf one. Even when they went up to £50 it was a great bargain
@@lewisbenzie845 I see that prices have risen well above inflation and yeah, we can talk about great sculpts but the sculpts in that battleforce were, for their day, the best sculpts GW produced so I'm not sure what your point is. Indeed, the Landspeeder and Bikers that are being discontinued this codex have been updated once since 1999 for ease of assembly but otherwise are stylistically almost indistinguishable. The biker was given a rounded hip joint, separate head and front/back torso instead of a flat hip, single torso and head combo. The Landspeeder was given separate weapon options and some of of larger hull plates were made into small pieces for ease of assembly.
Technology for sculpting and casting has come on tremendously since 1999. Are you suggesting it is more expensive to sculpt now than it was back then?
Why do none of you 'smart boys' on the internet understand inflation. It's literally what you learn before you even START school, let alone learn it in school.
Stop wasting my oxygen.
I remember saying this was gonna happen when starter sets were still being predicted and even after there contents were confirmed. I was like the combat patrol is going to be bad and it’s gonna be like the third time in as many moths they tried to sell us the same minis just for a little more money each time
I mean the levithan book tells us this is the combat patrol.
@@briandaviondon't ruin it for him. It's all he has
Yeah but no ones going to buy it so it won't last long
@@Bran_Redmaw it'll last until 11th edition when they put out a enw combat partrol based around the 11 edition launch set. expect this to be the norm for the SM Combat patrol box moving forward
@@briandavion wow! You visionary. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Without you what would I do?
This is literally the Family Member buys thing at store because they are familiar with you being in this hobby and not realizing how bad of a value box it is type Box Set.
Except it’s not available in stores but generally agree
People still shop in stores?
@@robsonezpeople still leave their home’s?
@@Whoknows21356 exactly.
@MrMochaFrappuccino sweaty gamer vibes. All gaming stores stink like nutsack. Seriously though covid killed brick and mortar. That was the idea
As an employee of an independent retailer I really want to thank GW for doing the favor of not allowing us to stock these stinkers and making them web store exclusive. I'll be sure never to order any in for our store should they change that availably.
Even the GW store managers hate this and the Tyranid one.
both arent good combat patrols boxes, but nids has more units/value than space marines
@@FirenSolaris True, the Nids one looks good unless you know it the starter set. The Space Marine box just looks sad without some big thing.
@@FirenSolaris having played against the Space marine for Combat Patrol, it really feels like it's missing another unit. Was 12 models against my 31 for World Eaters. Space Marines were tabled beginning of turn 4.
The only box set with few minis that could possibly be good value would be the custodes cus technically 3 bikes, 55 golden bois, and 10 sisters of silence is like 2/3rds of a full army right there.@@MrHoneuma
@@MrHoneuma when I played the space marine combat patrol. I have problems to secure objective because, the enemy who has only one unit more can better hold and secure objectives. Instead 2 leaders (cap and librarian) they should reduce to 1 leader and add 5 intercessors or something else cheap point unit.
Seriously. Just get a leviathan box. Even if you can't get someone to take the Tyranid parts off of you it's still a better deal. Twice as many Infernus Marines, Sternguard veterans, a Lieutenant, an apothecary, and a Dreadnought. And you even get a rulebook and a mission deck for your troubles
Or even the ultimate starter set that has terrain and both combat patrols plus a compact version of the rules.
Just get one of each of the starters and you get 2 armies for the price of one
@davidmesh5491 leviathan is significantly better. But yeah, ultimate starter is fine if that's all you can get your hands on.
It really is a shame GW decided to charge so much for their Combat Patrols and decided they all needed to cost the same. Leads to crummy situations like this.
This is what ALL content creators should be doing. Saying it how it is, telling us when something is good and something is bad. Hate how GW has influence over a lot of content creators and bat rep channels now.
Can’t trust everything they say as you can tell some of them now won’t dare step out of line and call things out for what it really is.
Cheers Auspex !
Better than valrak screaming how GlOrIuS everything is for sure.
@@sagacity1071 Do my best to just pretend he doesn't exist.
@@sagacity1071if you were to actually watch Valrak then you would know he does very much get out of line with GW, so much so that they have blacklisted him out of any type of sponsorship or even acknowledgement. Of course you are free to dislike him, but he is definitely not a shill for GW.
This could have been an awesome buy if they included the Brutalis Dreadnought
EXACTLY. I was thinking to myself: "You know, this could have been fixed had they just included a Dreadnought."
Remove the librarian and replace with the dread would be perfect.
Don't worry I'm sure James workshop will fix this by either raising the price of the start collecting set or they'll stop selling it. Problem solved.
James Workshop lol. Needs to hit the gym and stop eating fast food.
Stop whining. Plenty of other games. Go play them if GW is too expensive for you to afford.
@@criticalcommenter Do you mind sharing your trust fund?!?!
And gullible people like you are the reason they do this, you poor thing.
Do you genuinely think the price tag is justified for the costs and quality of the product? Is it just sunk cost that keeps you defending them? The company has an insane 30% profit margin, they don’t care if you defend them.
They could of done two things two make this worth while.
1. Add a vehicle dreadnought or tank.
2. Add terminator chaplin and increase one or both squads to ten men.
Drop the librarian and put in a ballistus dread and I'd have snapped this up
Can they just start reprinting the "Start Collecting" series please? Aside from being very obvious in the name alone what they were meant to do, they were amazing boxes and fantastic ways to buy minis. Could they also start with Chaos Space Marines please?
@@SpacetruckerJesusI'd buy at least 1 of those if it was priced fairly.
Combat patrol is a separate game to the normal 40K, but I can't help,feeling one less character and a additional 5 man squad of infernus merianes or Termies would be better for everyone
I can't believe this set costs 160 dollars. TWELVE MODELS. Even the Deathwatch CP gets you more! And that was previously one of the worst! Good god.
Its just 60 bucks short of a whole Leviathan Box
And it doesn't even come with a vehicle.
@@KameSennin4209 Literally every CP up until this point came with a monster/vehicle. That's what pissed me off the most here.
I bought the old combat patrol at the end of 9th, which i thought was a great box, especially back when it could be had for £65. Holding out hope that they make a "vanguard combat patrol" rule set
It also just performs bad. The combat patrol itself in kinda bad in general. They should have dropped the captain and included the Ballistus
Why can’t GW make a Battle Patrol box that has a Captain, a full Intercessor Squad, a Eradicator Squad, and a Dreadnaught. I’m tired of the half squads.
The greed coming from the GW execs is killing this hobby for me. I have lost all interest in 10th and I'm looking to other games to fill the hobby gap.
Can I get your stuff?
While it is bad, I came from mtg, spending $80 for a plastic dreadnought with claw arms is significantly more worthwhile than buying a playset of fetch lands for $80+
Good. Leave the hobby. I encourage you. This broke ass loser whining is what ruins the game for me. Hearing Muppets whine non stop is what's ruined the community
@@lewisbenzie845he isnt going anywhere. Will just whine and blame GW for his poor life choices that led to him not being able to afford some children's toys
@@criticalcommenter That is likely true, aye... but this box is awful, lol.
I think this shows the issue of primaris squads being locked into one weapon type. A new player would probably rather have a squad that lets them experiment with different weapons like you could with tactical marines or devastators. A new player isn’t going to get much use or experience from a niche weapon squad, let alone from a flamer one. They should’ve thrown in regular intercessors instead and the regular intercessor kit should be optional between assault or tactical intercessors, like how csm’s can take wither bolters or chainswords. Lets new players decide if they wanna go melee or ranged
I already have the leviathan box so this and the nid patrol boxes are useless to me. Having the combat patrol also in the starter boxes seems weird to me, the old space marine and nid CP boxes seems useable and could use special rules for balance in the CP game mode like how they did with Custodies.
Death Guard Seems fine now. 9th it was unplayable. 20 poxwalkers is popular with Typhus. No other discount box will include typhus so its seems ok.
New player here. I got the Leviathan set so I've essentially got the Combat Patrol and I've started my playing experience using them for simplicity. There have been obvious pros and cons from the outset.
From a pro's perspective, having just 2 squad and two characters has made it much easier and quicker for me to pick up the basics of the game. It's also been nice to have a tough unit in the Terminators so that I've been able to do and take damage easily.
From a negative perspective, it's clearly an uncompetitive Combat Patrol, with little tactical flexibility for capturing objectives (with effectively only 3 units on the board), and as per the video, whichever character has to go unaccompanied is effectively rather vulnerable despite their terminator armour. In a no victory points punch-up it also quickly becomes a slow war of attrition to see if the terminator squad with attached character can wipe out as many of the enemy as possible, as the infernus squad and solo character are quickly targeted and destroyed when faced with more mobile and numerous enemy units.
All said, from a financial perspective I'm glad I got them through Leviathan rather than via Combat Patrol, and I can see how they have some gaming value, but are best considered as a starter/taster experience, albeit a very expensive one in term of points and pounds.
You can also just drop a bit more for the ultimate starter set.
This gets both spacemarine and nyds combat partol, plus terrain to play.
I wish GW would sell combat patrols that all give you at least 500 points and just have a flat discount for the boxs compared to buying the models separately
I quite liked the Death Guard box, but I liked the idea of a hoard of zombies 🧟♂️
I got it when it came out, but in hindsight I probably wouldn’t buy it now if I’m being honest.
I think the key is that people will buy multiple boxes if the "combat patrol" is reasonably priced and contains no unique characters. What are you going to do with 2 of Typhus or Ahriman? An overpriced unique character removes the value of buying a 2nd or even 3rd box. Or even a 1st box if somehow you already have the special character.
@@aaronsomerville2124 But it's good if you don't have any of that... did you even read that guy's post before you contradicted him?
Like, where do you feckers all come from? You're like frogspawn. Or virus bacteria. Internet Contrarians...
I just bought the ultimate starter set and got both Nids and Marines for 103 quid and got the terrain an for me and my son to start up 😊
Smells like they over manufactured models for Leviathan and are pawning off the excess.
At this point just sell more Leviathan Boxes instead. Woul be a huge wasted opportunity to make them slightly more avaiable to more people interested
@@schuhsuppe7228my GW store has over 12 of the Levithan boxes in stock still. Seems like they went from way under producing to over producing
Re do the Leviathan box and leave out the book and cards. Replace the the hard back book with the mini core rules book and call it the Ultimate Ultimate starter set. It doesn't even need to be in a nice box.
At that point just sell half leviathan boxes. Only nids and only marines and make it reasonable price and gw would get money like never before but these people are just brain dead morons with zero clue how a market works and just rather shoot themselves in the foot
For Combat Partrol, I think its pretty bad too for playing. You only get two unit bricks, three for the charater. You will just get out maneuvered by your opponent.
Wow, they don’t even put a single pack of tzaangors in them now...
In Australia. Its about 240 bucks
What an absolute crap box
Mr. krabs running the shop.
Thx for this video. After a long absence (fantasy Bretonnia player left around 2014) I’m looking at a new 40k army. Comparing it to other boxes it seemed very few models for the same price. Is every new army box not so good?
Me personally, I would have gone with: ballis dread, termie squad, infernus squad, and the termie captain and a leader for the infernus
I would of rather seen the vanguard box set released again with a vehicle as a combat patrol. It would of also gave people the chance to get suppressors since GW has never released them separately
Every time I see the horrific price creep with every new release, I keep thinking to myself "I remember when the Land Raider was $40"
I feel like a geezer constantly referencing how cheap fuel was in the 60s.
Um, that's called 'inflation' it means prices go up EVERY YEAR. Even though you've only just learned about it, lol.
@@jack-a-lopium Wow thanks, it's always great to learn new things. Please tell me more about this "inflation", it sound really interesting.
@@Bobamelius That's what it is, that's all... everything is more expensive than it was last year, and more expensive again than two years ago and so on.
You are literally not the first person I've had to explain all this to on a Games Workshop video, I doubt you'll be the last with the amount of utter horse-plop you guys seem to inhale constantly.
If this Combat Patrol was all Multipart kits, especially for the Terminators, the Captain and the Infernus Marines, this may have been decent after the discontinuation of the starter set
Im so glad i got Leviathan before these came out.
I’m so glad they removed a whole awesome box full of infiltrators eliminators an lt that actually fit suppressors and an impulsive on a great deal that would be amazing to see in combat patrol just to push their new terminators onto people who would’ve wanted them already have.
To be fair the best value for money here is either a Leviathan half for the pretty much the same price - or if you can find the box itself and sell off the nids half for even better value. Pretty much double the amount of marines for the same price!
This is such a poor combat patrol box from GW...
The store in my city does combat patrol tournaments and I felt like the space marines were a little underpowered against heavy machines. I lost against the admech combat patrol last week, I'll be facing the necron one next week, and I don't feel like I have a great chance at beating them lmao
So glad I spent circa £100 on Leviathan. Money saved purchased equivalent to the Nachmund terrain set
Painstakingly but patiently, across one month, I’ve purchased everything separately from box splitters on eBay. Meaning I’ve had leviathan and Nachmund for £160 altogether, can’t grumble
I just need to point out GW miniatures are all monopose now. Who would create a box of Sisters Noviates with separate faces? Not heads but faces! I love a good monopose miniature to bulk out an army on the troops side but the current trend is horrendous from a build and accessibility point. I miss the good old days of 3rd/4th edition miniatures where we had truly multi pose minis available. As for this combat patrol it’s a hard pass for me, I’d probably just buy the full starter set instead. Auspex yet again providing excellent consumer advice.
I got newbie trapped by this after getting a glowing recommendation for it from my local GW store manager, and spent time painting it only to see that i'll never use any of it in an actual game. I guess the real purpose of this kit as part of the starter set is to prepare the customer for what Games Workshop is like.
£26 for a SINGLE infantry model is absolutely bloody ridiculous. Seriously, why is anyone buying this rubbish?! GW customers are mugs.
Its pretty much standard for the hobby. Just take a look at other games with similar quality models. Star Wars Legions, Infinity, Fallout Wasteland Warfare, Malifaux - all have similar prices
I didn’t know people bought GW characters separately, I just buy a single box of infantry and convert them into any characters I need.
@@candrian7 They're disgraceful too. There is no way a single model is worth that much.
It would have been a much better box if they had included a cool unique midel like ancient in terminator armour or a cool new lieutenant that is exclusive to this box. Otherwize the box just looks like a way that GW get their moneys worth of the moulds or excess stock from the leviathin box.
Jesus they need to make a worth while box. Maybe Jump captain, 5 jump intercessors, 10 intercessors, and 3 aggressors. Thats a great starting point.
You can buy the starter set, a loose librarian and get the tyrinads combat also for less money then one combat patrol box lmao
It's what I did, for just under 30 quid. I got the barbgaunts and the librarian and still spent about as much for their single combat patrol price.
So what's a good alternative? I'm not really into the whole "you have to buy the combat patrol boxes to play combat patrol" thinking. If I want a 500 point Marine army, what's my best purchases?
nothing. Pure predatory pricing.
If you are a new player the best value is in an Ultimate Starter Set box or Leviathan box but even those 2 boxes either need additional content by buying the respective codices and/or index plus data sheet cards.
If you want to upgrade to 10th edition you have no real value.
A 3D printer
I mean, you don't have to buy the Combat Patrol box to play Combat Patrol, you just need those specific models. Buying the box is just a way to get all of the models in one place. I'm pretty sure the rules for the Combat Patrol armies are free on the website? So as long as you have the models assembled, you're good.
You shouldn't build a 500 point army, that's just too small. Maybe build up 500 points to start with just so you don't overwhelm yourself with too much to paint, but if you're looking to play, I really think 1000 points is your "small and simple game" cutoff (unless you are specifically playing Combat Patrol in which all the lists are about 400-600 points). I've made a bunch of 1000 point armies that seem fun to play and pretty simple; 500 points basically gets you a single character and a few squads at best and the balance of the game itself is all out of wack. I'm looking to start Space Marines by buying the Blood Angels and Dark Angels Combat Patrols and combining them, they make almost exactly 1000 points together and it's got some really cool units. I'll buy a Captain and some other units I really like to flesh it out later.
Basically, find the box that has units you think are cool in it, and start from there. There might not be one with the units you specifically think are cool; in that case you might want to start piecemeal, buying a box or two of units, building and painting those, and then moving forward.
Starter set plus Librarian he listed early in the video. Then you also have all the Tyranids as well
Or the Ultimate Starter set. You will get the Space Marine and Tyranid combat patrol, the mini rule book, boards to play on plus some terrain. You can sell what you don't need or have a extra army you can use if you are introducing someone to the game.
Haven’t even gotten past the ad and all I care about is that the box in the thumbnail doesn’t have marines in Phobos armor. I would rather have whatever is in this box
The sad part is they could have easily fixed this by swapping out the Captain for the Sternguard Veterans instead and give their Oath the 1st Company version. I don't think it would have been OP, but changing the Oath wouldn't be necessary to make it more playable. Just drop one of the characters for a legit squad.
I have been, if not exactly sympathetic to GWs pricing in the past, at least understanding of it.
This one is completely inexplicable, though. Even outside of the presence of starter sets, this is hands down one of the worst value patrols they've ever done. Not even 10 Infernus?!? If these were at least multi part kits it would be *something*, but this is just complete garbage
Did you not have a retailer for Germany too? Iss it gone?
Honestly, when I first started playing warhammer last year I was really set on getting the old space marines combat patrol, I thought it was pretty good, but when I saved up to get it (at the time I wanted it it was £90 ) I went in to the store and low and behold this absolute crap. I couldn’t even get it because they upped the price to £95, it’s literally a scam.I instead bought the eldar combat patrol, and honestly for a beginner speaking for eldar, it was worth it, I remember beating my friend twice with just the units in the box.
Crazy how little value this is, doing literally anything else but buying this patrol would be the right option
So this box is half of the Space Marine half of Leviathan, that really sucks. They could have waited and put in a unit of Sternguard with jump marines or something.
1 Pound sterling = 1.22 US Dollar on 30 Sep 23 ( + shipping 14 Pound sterling from ebay )
95 pounds sold to colonies at $160
95 pounds + 14 pounds = 104 Pound sterling = $126.85
what a nice mark up , $34 extra profit each box
Basically half the marine contents of leviathan which if workshop continues with their current model will release next year in a magazine and you’ll pick up these for about 30 pounds
Honestly, even if this box was good money wise I still think it's just kinda eh
Imo the Combat Patrols need some kind of big vic or monster in them as well, even if it's just an Impulsor or something. Not saying Termies aren't cool but it still feels kinda lacking. Like imagine if there was a Dreadnought in there, painted up to look Venerable even as a Redemptor or something. So honestly, kinda glad this is an online only thing for the peeps that want the minis but nothing else
The fact this lacks a vehicle makes a bad box all the more worse.
Your paying the same amount as other combat patrols and get a fraction of the plastic.
Really makes you think twice about getting into the hobby when they keep doing shady stuff like this.
Everything About This Box Is Great
Except The Trash-Useless Infernus Marines; Only 5 by The by
And The Lack of a Bundle Discount; My God
And The Fact that These Are Leftovers of The Shit Leviathan Model Versions; My God
And The Forced Details; My God
And That like Most GW Products, It’s Intensely Overpriced; My God
Besides All That
I Love The Premise of a Full Terms Box
I Was So happy to See This Until I Remembered GW Is Incapable of Efficient Business
So Great, Time to await for an Actually Enticing Box again
Yay.
I didn't think they could get worse than Death Guard.
I think this video has helped convince me to get the leviathan box as soon as I can.
and thats how GW gets u to spend $200 when u really only need to spend about $100 or less
AT being this negative is impactful.
Thats not being negative, it's speak with the truth
Its just critical analysis. AT should always be like this. The average player is a dumb animal being herded by an apex predator. So much of the ‘hobby’ is marketing yet its lapped up as entertainment. The situation is getting worse.
Thats just the starter box cut in half. I have the starter and I didn’t like that all the figures have no weapon options. As a combat patrol box, that is really the worst
From the little I know of 40k tabletop, so many people play space marines that second hand is a reliable way to buy them.
It's a bad purchase because it lacks the MVP: The Apothecary Biologis. That guy is just the coolest thing in Leviathan next to some of the nids as a model and oddly it only exists in the leviathan box right now.
Emperor bless those who play Astartes and subsidise the hobby for the rest of us.
This is obvs aimed at people very new to the hobby, or for parents buying for their kids at Christmas.
If i played 40k id buy my factions combat patrol before the 10th edition codex for it drops ........ Because this is the future
The DG one is still the worst IMO as it actively discourages buying more than 1 of them because it has a NAMED CHARACTER in the box. It was so bad in 9th because of that and the fact it was illegal to field what you got in the box with DGs rules but the Epic Hero rule in 10th continues to make it terrible.
So glad the last Combat Patrol I got had the Impulsor in it.
So glad I saw this before grabbing it
I just got the ultimate starter set because it contains basically both this set and the Tyrannids, plus some structural sets and other stuff for like £30 more than what the combat set costs.
This combat patrol box may be favourable if they raise the prices of the single boxes! Terminator Squad raise from 55€ to 75€, Captain from 34€ to 50€, Libarian from 32,50€ to 40 € and Infernus Squad from 25€ to 35€.
Or GW is not good in math?
Dont give them ideas
If those were not push fit terminators and infernus it might, might be buyable. Barely.
The only reason i got this models is because i wanted a Terminator Librarian and still i got them by 40 bucks
But yeah this is a terrible box and even with a 10 man infernus is not great for play, one of your characters is alone and free to get killed inmediatly and everything else wont survive being focused by other combat patrols firepower potential
I agree that the new Space Marines Combat Patrol is the worst ever. I don’t know what GW is thinking releasing this only two months after the 10e Starter Sets.
GW should’ve bundled some of the new SM kits into a combat patrol, like the Jump Pack Intercessors, Jump Pack Captain, Desolation Squad, and a Brutalis or Ballistus Dreadnought. That would’ve been a good combat patrol, which wouldn’t have overlapped with the 10e Starter Sets. Perhaps one overlapping unit, like an Infernus Squad, would’ve been acceptable for the CP box, but those 4 units are identical to the SM half of the Ultimate Starter Set, which is a far better deal.
Can the cpt be run as a terminator Lt ,so both he and librarian can join the squad?
Of course he can your the one playing the game not GW 😉
I mean, terminator lieutenants don’t have datasheets
@@Floof_enjoyerwoof guard battle leader in terminator armour
hold objectives with 2 squads is a little bit difficult sometimes :DD
I wonder if this was made to make customers feel smart by purchasing the Starter Set instead of THIS, Infact all its doing is boosting sales of their starter sets for the Investors!
If they want to make that price worth it then the should check in a land raider for the termies
Its absurd. Leviathan was £150 on launch, had another 13 miniatures, as well as 47 tyranids. This also included rules for the new edition. Only 2/3 more expensive than this turd
Given the units they included in the Leviathan box who didn't see this coming?
It's almost like the Aos and 40k side are playing a game. AoS: "LOL we just made a new Vanguard Orruk Warclan set that is not worth buying" 40k: "Oh yeah hold my beer"
Nipped in Element Games the other day - still have a good stock of Leviathan… get that instead for the love of Baal!
Even better, get the ULTIMATE Starter Set for $210 USD and get exactly the Space Marines Combat Patrol (including Librarian) and exactly the Tyranid Combat Patrol (including Barbgaunts) PLUS terrain and 2 Gaming Boards...
It being bad would be ok if it wasn’t just less than half the damn starter box.
Wow
how does this not have 10 flamer guys instead of 5!?
5 Terminator 190p + 1Cap 95p +1 Libra 90p + 5 Infernus 85p = 460 Points and for the 40 p you can buy enhancement.🤣
But Astra: 2x10 cadian Shocktroops 120p, 5x Command Squad 65p, 1x Armoured Sentinel 70p, 2x Field Batteries 120p = 375 Points🤯🤯🤯
same reason the other marine combat patrols only have 5 man squads. They'd actually be worth buying if you got a good amount of marines. Boggles the mind why GW didn't significantly boost their sales by just including an extra sprue worth of 5 marines in each of them instead of playing the artificial scarcity/value game with these boxes over the last couple of editions.
Whoever designed this combat patro, the Tyranid combat patrol, and the starter sets should be disciplined. That bonehead cost GW a ton of money by making what amounts to duplicate Leviathan boxes lite that no one who has any inkling of knowledge about the game will buy.
The SM and Nid patrols are basically production overrun . This explains the duplicate minis etc. If GW threw in a sprue of 5 Intercessors or something, it would help a lot.
if it came with an extra 5 man squad of Intercessors or scouts it would actually be
okie
It's monopose. I wasn't planning on it.
2:50 bad news about that, the terminator captain's new rules mean he's lost over 50% of his loadout options, from 9 options down to 4. No hammers, claws, shields, grenade launcher, or chainfist for him according to news about updated datacards
Spexy dose not mess around!
My favourite you tuber
This video and title are really dramatic and over the top - GOOD! This box is an absolutely awful deal and nobody should ever purchase it.
So the set is barely even a discount and they cant even be bothered to put the full multi pose sets in the damn box?
You shouldn't buy from GW's store in general