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- Max Kellerman describes how dominant Roy Jones Jr was in his prime and why at his best he was the best Pound-for-Pound fighter since Sugar Ray Leonard. Frank Lotierzo brilliantly describes the career of Roy Jones Jr in this article
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Had Roy retired after the 1st Tarver fight, he would be considered the best ever. He was 34 yrs old going onto 35 and had no business getting back into the ring after losing 25lbs of muscle from his first Tarver fight.
The best in his prime IMO.
At his VERY BEST Roy Jones Jr was the greatest of all time. I know Roy's VERY BEST only last 11-12 years, but those 11-12 years Roy was the greatest fighter I even seen by very very far!
Joe Calzaghe was 36, Roy Jones was 39, and Joe DESTROYED HIM
25yrs old to 35 he’s the greatest fighter I ever seen. Prime for Prime he’s the P4P best.
@@garygwinn5818 36 to 39 is a huge difference in sports. Usually 36 is the last good year and 39 is retirement age
@@UnplayedGaming Joe was the better boxer. Joe is the greatest ever at that weight
@@garygwinn5818😂😂😂😂😂prime Roy jones would decapitated him
The period from James Toney - John Ruiz; (1994-2003) was, IMHO, the greatest 10 years any boxer ever had, period.
He didnt lose a round for about 10 years.
People sleep on how great Roy really was. Very underrated
"Roy Jones.Jr" is still the Pound for Pound best that ever did it in the time frame in which he fought in my honest opinion¡!¡
If we go by records it is near impossible to have an undefeated record, especially as a heavyweight, marciano did that. If we go by personal skill, it is unquestionably Joe Louis who has the greatest boxing arsenal, Ali was untouchable and changed the game, and Robinson was perfect in footwork, speed, power, and timing. Foreman was the most powerful, Roy Jones Jr. Was arguably one of the best finishers though.
@@Kingkodiakbear Only one of the best finishers? Roy and SRR definitely competes for a spot 😂😂😂😂
100% with you there. Just don't know why they still don't put him up there with the all time greats.
@@desert_rose7171 No way bro. 2 greats, but 2 very different p4p rankings.
@@Kingkodiakbear ok. How do you rank the 2?
The best boxer i have ever seen. A decade of boxing without losing a single round!
Prime Roy Jones Jr has to go down as one of the top 5 greatest boxers of all time. He had everything, defence offence speed, power, counterpunching. He probably relied on his speed a bit too much which led him to lose the way he did later in his career, but when talking about him in his prime, he was a freak of nature.
He was unreal. The jump to heavyweight and then back down to light heavyweight immediately hurt him tremendously. Even when he beat tarver the first fight he didn’t look the same and never was.
Jones jr is absolutely the most dominant boxer of all time. In his prime, nobody was even remotely capable of being competitive, never mind beating him. It was like an adult beating up on a juvenile. Next level.
I love when Max talks boxing. He comes with facts
I`m from chicago and was blessed to watch Michael jordan`s whole career & I remember watching Roy Jones jr. in his prime thinking he was the most dominent athlete I saw since Mike! Folks, he really truly was that great! The best fighter I`ve ever seen & it aint even close.
Please preach my man💯 no disrespect to Floyd but watching Roy Jones jr. Was like watching Apollo Creed in real life,, except this shit was not a movie,Lol he was not only beating them up but embarrassment at the same time with his incredible speed and skill!!!
Larry Barry That doesn’t take away Roy’s prime. His prime was absolutely sensational. By the time Roy fought Tarver the first time, he looked slower and weaker. The second time, it was apparent that Roy’s time had come. He had passed his prime and was declining rapidly. That said, I don’t think anyone at the time, other than Tarver, could have beat him down like that.
Jones was unbeaten for more than a decade and beating all best fighters at the time. People forgot that the reason why he even fought Ruiz was because he literally had no more competition left. He's Michael Jordan of boxing back in 90's and early 2000s
He beat Vinny Paz, Paz went a round without landing, outboxed the future dominant middleweight champion Bhop, Eubank didn't want Jones, Collins beat Eubank 2 fights before Eubank was finished, Benn was a the toughest fight, relentless pressure. James Toney was the best from 160,168 and 175 and Jones beat him. He beat Jeff Lacy past his prime, Trinidad, Mccallum, Montell Griffin.
Mccallum was a dominant champion, Bhop, Toney, Vinny Paz, Montell Griffin, 160, 168 and 175 were not full of challenges but roy was incredible.
He would have destroyed Calzaghe, Lebedev, Green and Macarinelli in his prime.
KELLERMAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH. CAN ONLY SAY AMEN TO THAT! #RJJTBE
voltaspeeder17 Facts💯
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Larry Barry pretty sure they're talking about prime Roy Jones in the 90's. Comparing his losses against Tarver, Johnson, etc is like me saying Ali wasn't great because he lost to Trevor Berbick, or Jordan wasn't the GOAT because all I ever seen was footage of him playing with the Wizards. LOL
And Roy Jones was aided by his PED use, and let's not forget that once he lost a step and his reflexes slowed he was exposed for his milk carton chin.
@Larry Barry roy killed himself making weight
I don't know what people think of Max, but he Knows Boxing. He started on public access just talking about Boxing. Couldn't have said it any better. If you go back and watch other boxers, they'll mention Roy in superlatives. He was like Superman. The G.o.a.t!!!
Absolutely true! To me Roy Jones Junior is merely the best boxer i have ever seen in my life even though many great fighters that i worshipped over the history of boxing, Roy remains the best ever
Roy Jones Jr is the greatest of all time.. hands down
If Roy had retired after the Ruiz fight, we all would be talking about Roy the way old-timers talk about Sugar Ray Robinson.
The fact that we still debate Roy's greatness after the back-to-back knockout losses to Tarver and Johnson shows how much respect fight fans have for Roy.
Sugar Ray Leonard was my childhood hero. He won against Hearns, Duran, Hagler, and Benitez...four incredibly dangerous dudes. Ray was something special but I am not sure that Prime Ray beats Prime Roy, especially if Ray was at 160.
Roy was another level.
He should’ve retired after the 1st tarver fight
Roy was great but politics kept him away from the best matches of his era, other than Toney and Hopkins. That said, anyone who beats Toney and Hopkins like he did is an all-time great, full-stop. You don't really need anything else. He beat Hopkins 8-4 and Toney 12-0; that's other worldly. But he still should've fought, Eubank, Collins, McClellan, Michalczewski, etc. That said, he was undeniably awesome.
Roy Jones was so good that he didn't even have to actually learn to box, he was just a physical freak of nature with superhuman reflexes, super speed and power he dominated 154- all the way to heavyweight.
Hulk smash 86 but Roy did know how to box , listen to him talk he’s a student of the game
2 to 1 favorite over Mike tyson. Max has lost every braincell in his head with that statement
Its true his footwork was awkard. He would leap in trowing left hooks. His only defence was his speed. But still a great boxer lost 1 round in 10 years thats crazy.
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He was talking about 2003, when Mike was old and washed up.
Nah bruh he boxed for years but yes reflexes defens spowd and power was bery good
Roy was a freak of nature and it showed against all time greats like Bernard and Toney and then he went up to HW to beat Ruiz
Always love listening to Max talk boxing
Preach! Roy Jones, Ali and Tyson in their prime along with Robinson are the most gifted boxers I've seen.
So u have seen sugar ray robinson, u must be super old rght now
@@bryananofa7165 Roy is faster on his feet, but Ray had threw 6 hooks, Roy threw 3. Robinson seems to have been faster at punching, Roy faster at moving, maybe Roy could throw 7 hooks.
Roy is better than Robinson at evading punches and he is faster at moving maybe, Robinson looks slower at moving. Roy can outbox Robinson but Robinson would stalk for 15 rounds or 10, 12 and Roy needs to stay away from his prime power and speed. Robinson is a brilliant feinter, great jab. Roy needs to score and move, Robinson is tough to survive he gets better every round especially if hes behind. Robinson by ko is most likely,but Roy will always be able to beat him if he survives.
Roys only one I can truly say could beat anyone at any weight on any given night. Theres the big huge powerful guys like Lennox that would be difficult but in vintage form he could possibly get job done. Very special boxer.
Larry Barry He was old. No boxer who lacks a solid fundamental base survives after 35. Ali was shit after 35, Leonard was shit after 35, Whitaker was shit after 35. They were never the same. Quit playing. Roy Jones in his prime is the best ever.
Are you stupid. The very man you mentioned Lennox is the only man who could accomplish that.
100 % true, Roy was that good in his prime.
roy jones is my favorite fighter to watch. I love to watch just before a workout just to get psyched. 2 different styles. extreme athleticism vs technical athleticism.
like they say with Ronaldo and Messi in soccer ......FMJ could be best p4p of all time but Roy Jones jr was not a human in his prime, He was a mythical God of boxing , who descended down to earth on fight day and took human form. That is just how good Roy jones jr was , unbelievably speed , movement and power
There were great middleweight/super middleweights that all fought each other in wars back in the mid '90's...there names were Gerald McClellan, Julian Jackson, Nigel Benn, Stevie Collins, Chris Eubank, Michael Watson, Joe Calzaghe. God bless you brave warriors that TRUELY WANTED to be the best and fight the best and believed you were the best. THIS TRUE AFICIONADO OF THE SWEET SCIENCE and fan of the greats will ALWAYS be thankful for your valor and heart and skills you shared in the squared circle, especially you---MR. GERALD McLELLAN.
Right and somehow Roy managed to avoid them all, greatness should be measured by fighting the greats not police officers. Roy didn’t dominate against the best opponents.
Roy Jones Jr. Is my favorite fighter by far
Roy Jones is probably the most dominant fighter ever. Lightning in his fists.
Max kellerman knows the score spoke the truth, people only took note of Mayweather when he was touching 30, and that was only after roy grew old.
What do you mean by took note? Floyd was on P4P lists since he was 21 years old. He was definitely noticed in the boxing game.
If Roy had retired after the Ruiz fight there would be discussion about him being the GOAT. I got to see prime Roy and just to give you kids an idea of how insanely good he was. If the 154lbs version of Roy fought Floyd at 154lbs he knocks Floyd out inside of 3 or 4 rounds.
The prime Floyd wasn't at 154, it was at 130 - 140. Roy was too big to hypothetically compare them fighting each other. Floyd was a better all round fighter, Roy was more exciting and powerful. He relied on his speed though - when that started to slow down, flaws were exposed. Floyd didn't have flaws like that - no suspect chin or leaky defence. I've got a lot of respect for Roy, but Floyd was a more complete fighter.
Fair point. I just used 154 as an the best example of a hypothetical match up as both fought close to or at their primes at that weight.
Mr. Nobody SOOO very true!
@@lucasm3879 Good points, you just swayed my opinion. Its just so hard to think of anyone being better than Roy.
@@lucasm3879 floyd is the greatest. But roy is the most dominant.
It's strange to imagine how we'd perceive Roy had he retired after winning the WBA title from Ruiz...only loss to that point was by DQ, and was avenged via first round KO. Yes, you can argue that his opposition was weak, but Roy knew that, which is why he moved to heavyweight to find a real challenge. He was already at the end of his prime, but the debilitating weight cut back to 175 for the first Tarver fight (which I did score for him; barely, but he did win) took what was left of him. Tarver is a good fighter, but I think that was what killed Roy. He was still VERY good for a few more years, but he wasn't the best at light heavyweight after that. I wish he'd just officially retire. It's been a little sad for a few years now.
Sean Donnelly VERY good for a few more years after Tarver? lol, how so? Getting ktfo by Glen Johnson and again nearly by Tarver? Who did he beat to say he was VERY good for a few years after Tarver?
And Mike McCallum...past his prime or not, that's a great name to have on your resume...but not much during his title reign at light heavyweight. Those were the guys he beat for his 160 and 168 lb belts
Roy's opposition until the Tarver loss was high quality. McCallum is in the hall of fame. Hopkins, Toney, and Tarver will eventually get there.
Facts!!!! I always thought this..roy jones was the greatest I've ever seen
He is not only one of the best , but he also is a good man, elegant and humble at same time.
I just don't hope that one day we learn that he used to use doping... i don't hink so because he seems to be clean with sport...
Roy is the 🐐 in my book.
Roy did have that explosive power over Floyd. His fights were more exciting too. Both great fighters. I think Roy in his prime is top 5 all time. Just a shame his career tailed off the way it did.
It was the same for Robinson he was so good from 1941 to 1952. But he lost a step and was now getting beat after Turpin. Robinson had tough fights in the 40's but he was always a winner but after 1952 he was very reliant on his chin. But in the 60's his chin was gone. Robinson lacked great defense and got outboxed by a few greats then he was very beatable in his late 30's and 40's. Robinson was extremely smart at offense but he wasnt a great defensive fighter.
He losing to Turpin the chin and power bailed him out, the power bailed him out vs Fullmer he struggled to a win against Basilio he was beaten by dick tiger. He was never able to be consistent anymore after turpin 1. He had the chin, Roy couldn't take those punches.
Dominating for 11 years with one loss to a middleweight, he avenged it and won 5x against Lamotta in 6 fights as p4p number 1 with 6oz gloves, no long layoffs or junior weight classes and facing opponents every month is spectacular.Roy was great at being p4p fighting twice a year but could he survive years with no losses in the 40's? Having different trilogies or facing Lamotta 6x?
@@LightninLewis Who knows? But once Roy got to the top, the Money he made per fight allowed him to not fight too often and not take risks/punishment to the extent a lot of fighters do. Cant fault him really. Robinson would have fought way less in this era but one could argue that he would not have been beat. He was that good.
@@thegee001ify fighters now are good now, some would survive the 40's but you need to be in shape all year then, now you dont and there was one belt no avoiding a fight with Robinson for an Welterweight.
I once surveyed roy jones jr.'s property on quintette road here in florida. the man rode up on a mule with two pit bulls that could have killed me if they wanted. I said bro I can't belive they disqualified you in that montell griffin fight. what the fuck? and he shook his head as said ... "I got it back" we then had a nice laugh and he let me go on about my business. No one better.
Jones > Mayweather ...it's not even an argument worth having...
You on drugs lay off the crack
@Naeem Islam hahahaha
@@andrerandall7873 you never seen Roy .. Roy, unlike Floyd, was willing to fight wherever to prove he was the #1 p4p..
I agree with that but I wouldn’t put Floyd to far behind . Floyd’s resume is pretty stacked
Roy is a more complete fighter than Floyd. Sure, Floyd has the best defense in boxing, but did he have spectacular performances? He had very few amazing performances, while Prime Roy won every round of every fight he was in. Floyd embarrassed his opponents, while Roy completely demolished them.
I disagreed w/ Max in the sense that Roy's prime was around the mid-90s to about 2003 while Floyd's was more around the early 2000s until he first retired in 2007. They are after all, almost 10 years apart in age so Roy's prime would be earlier than Mayweather's.
That being said, when Roy was in his prime, he looked more unbeatable and miraculous than Floyd did for sure.
Max is right! Roy in his prime, was THE BEST BOXER EVER!
If Roy Jones Jr. would have retired after the Jon Ruiz or the first Tarver fight, he would made a case as one of the greatest pound for pound boxers who has ever lived.
Indeed, that was the discussion at the time. Same with Holyfield...Ring Magazine had him 3rd best Heavy of all time after Ali and Louis after he whooped Tyson. Then he destroyed Moorer in the 2nd fight. Even if he had waited until after the 2nd Lewis fight, which enough people felt he won, he would've retained most of it, b/c he was fighting Lewis in Lewis' prime and gave away a zillion pounds. He is still (rightfully) considered an all-time pound for pound great, as is Jones, but just a little less than it would've been otherwise. Life's a bitch though.
Nothing but Truth my man ... Roy Jones Jr was Dominant ... Nobody could beat him and guys ducked him all the time ... Not even Bernard Hopkins could beat this man
#RoyJonesJrTheTruth
Difference between Ray Robinson and Jones jr. is that Ray Robinson didn't leave behind so many unanswered questions in the divisions he rose to the top of. People talk of Charlie Burley, but Burley retired before Robinson ever became middleweight champion. Not to mention, the mob did all they could to keep Ray Robinson away from the belts; he was far and away the best lightweight in the world and defeated the great Sammy Angott, only to have Angott avoid losing the title by coming in too heavy. The next fighter who can go 100-1 with Ray's level of opposition ca talk about rivaling Robinson.
RJJ #1 on my list.
yes yes and YES. THAT IS THE UNDISPUTED TRUTH.
You know how hard it is to go up that many weight classes that high up. Roy was a freak of nature like lebron and bo Jackson. He would of been a all time great at any sport he chose. I see in the comments people saying Roy was using roids. I dnt believe that one bit. This is a guy who played a basketball game before a title fight. Some people have those special genetics
dyt937thegem the same goes for manny aswell. They say he was on steroids but he's just a freak of nature like Roy. They all keep saying why couldn't he knock people out after yet forgot that he was constantly fighting much bigger guys. When he was knocking people out they were closer to his size
dyt937thegem Kenton is not a freak of nature
Facts
Good to see kudos going to Jones. RJJ is much more amazing than FMJ.
Floyd is great using knowledge against fighters who weren't taught the skills he has but against fighters like Jones he would get beat to the punch. Mayweather is a old fighter doing vintage skills against fighters who dont have the 20th century skills. The great boxing minds are dying, alot of fighters are speed and power dependent.
Floyd vs Charlie Burley, Burley would know what Floyd is doing and counter it he was more skilled than Floyd. Floyd wins bc fighters now dont understand his style and the trainers dont know how to beat him.
@@LightninLewis Does Roy have those skills considering what happened to him once he got older. It looked like he was an athleticism based boxer who didn't have a technical foundation to go back on.
Floyd was completely out of ideas once Oscar threw his jab if Roy throws his jab his superior speed and agility will win him a decision and Roy has power. Floyd knows some old stuff but he is limited compared to James Toney, if James Toney had took his career seriously he might have never lost.
AMEN MAX!
God I love me some Max.
Love Floyd, but COSIGN all that Max says about Roy. Boxing is such that we understand that evn w/your losses, we still rank u properly. Roy didn't start losing until he began to yo-yo w/his weight. Uncanny reflexes/speed was his bag, so I'm gonna guess eventually he woulda slowed down & begin to get caught by punches he easily slipped...but for a LONG STRETCH OF TIME no one came close to being 'ROY' GOOD!!!!Salute that man!!!
Look at dat mans record he kod over half his opposition! Enuff said idgaf bout who he lost to check dat man resume! Greatest since sugar ray Middleweight king period
An all time great fighter. He only lost heavily to Joe Calzaghe because his speed had left him and he was a little less fit than he had been. It was quite like watching de la Hoya vs pacquiao. Just age catching up with him. Of course, Joe was fairly old too but he wasn’t losing his speed or stamina. If the fight has happened when Roy was younger, I think it would have been much closer, but it’s hard to call. Joe started to walk through his punches in their match but could he have done it when Roy when at his best? Doubtful, even though he had a good chin.
There two types of people: 1) y’all who haven’t forgot. 2) y’all who must’ve forgot.
Preach Max
Absolutely correct! I love this ❤️🙏
I disagree with Kellerman - after being undecided for a long time, I think Mayweather was a better all round fighter than Roy. Roy was definitely more of a crowd pleaser though and spectacular to watch. That doesn't make him a better fighter though - it's personal taste if you prefer watching that style to Floyd. (Most people do). He was superb, but more offensively than defensively I think. People will always say his downfall was losing all the weight for the Tarver fight - maybe, but no one will ever know for sure. Maybe he was just starting to slow down at 34 - his style was all based on his pure speed and athleticism. Maybe he always had a suspect chin, but no one was quick enough to check it until the Tarver rematch? Tarver was the best opponent he'd faced for several years. Floyd had a rock solid chin, much better defence, textbook technique, just more of a complete fighter imo.
Lucas Maximus All boxers who were physically gifted but lacked a solid fundamental base fell off the elite level after 35. Ali, Leonard, Whitaker, all of them were no good after 35 and going into their late 30s
I agree 💯
Kellerman couldn't be any more right
Roy Jones in his prime best boxer I have seen!! People talking about Floyd because he never lost 50-0 if your a true fan he disrespected boxing by fighting Conor McGregor I give him one thing he is the PPV King!
And yet now so many have forgotten
Roy Jones GOAT....no one is better
Roy has to be in top 5 p4p of all time
Might be a tall order but i have him competing for a spot with SRR 😂
If Roy Jones JR isn't on your top 5 pound for pound boxers WHO EVER LIVED list, then throw your list, & your opinions about boxing into the damn garbage, Period!
AGREED!
FRE FLO DO, right on
@Larry Barry nobody beat him in his prime...Prime Roy was unbeatable...youre either a hater, a casual or both to be naming those fights as if they taint his legacy lol
@Jo Cam montell griffin? Lmao...not top 30? Lmaooo
Frank Woods The only problem with your argument is Tarver and Jones are the same age. I can understand if a younger fighter knocked him out. Roy was all speed and no real boxing skills.
Best thats ever stepped foot in the ring and its not even close
Roy Jones Jr is the best p4p boxer ever. Most naturally gifted boxing talent In boxing history
People are asking me WHO did Jones avoid. I'm assuming these must be younger fans. Mind you, before I expose it, I'm doing it BECAUSE there are many people, fans and the media, that want to pay lip service to RJJ as being possibly the greatest and/or most dominant fighter of not only his generation or era...but EVER. That's fine and all to have that opinion, but in order to TRUELY be worthy of such accolades one MUST have fought the best, the toughest, the most dangerous fighters of his era or generation while they were in their prime. With this in mind, I VIVIDLY remember that when Roy Jones Jr. won the VACANT middleweight title from a GREENHORN from the prison ranks named Bernard Hopkins there was a feared middleweight rising up through the ranks by the name of JULIAN JACKSON. This fight WOULDVE,COULDVE,SHOULDVE been an EPIC encounter at middleweight at the time....Jones QUICKLY VACATED and moved up to super middleweight to fight a James Toney THAT EVERY BOXING INSIDER IN THE BUSINESS KNEW COULD NO LONGER MAKE THE 168 lb LIMIT AND WAS MOVING UP TO 175 to fight at Light Heavy. Toney took the fight for the money knowing he had no chance of winning because he had to come in dead at the weigh-in. This is boxing knowledge. Everybody knows this to be true in the year 2017. It's history. So lets not pretend he fought a PEAK Toney at 168. It was a well calculated move on the part of RJJ. NOW once he moved up to 168 did he fight the CREAM of the crop? Did he fight NIGEL BENN, STEVE COLLINS, GERALD McCLELLAN, CHRIS EUBANK, or even a young but established record of 22-0 guy named Joe Calzaghe? NOPE. Instead he fought the CHAFF--guys like Antoine Byrd, a blown up Lightweight named Vinny Pazienza, Tony Thorton, Merqui Sosa, Eric Lucas, and another prison fighter named Bryant Brannon. While all these very dangerous and GOOD super middleweights were fighting each other Jones was off fighting tomato cans and calling himself the greatest. People always fall for the hype and don't really wake up and see what is really happening and going on. Boxing is no different. Jones is and was always a hype job. When he moved up to 175 TO ONCE AGAIN AVOID a very strong pool of fighters in his weight class he didn't fight Darius Michalczewski, no NOT EVER. Instead he fought an old Mike McCallum, an old Virgil Hill (who was always an ordinary fighter), and a hodge podge of so-called prize fighters. I remember two guys he fought that were actually part-time fighters. One was a cop and I think the other was a teacher or something. He was dropped by Lou DeValle or whatever the tomato can's name was. Now, before you fanboys say these Europe guys didn't want to fight in the USA just let me tell you some boxing TRUTH right now....BULLSHIT! You are fucking a fool if you TRUELY believe that. And even if it were true didn't Roy Jones Jr. recently criticize GGG saying "If you want war sometimes you gotta go look for war!" for staying at 160 and not moving up? If the war was in Europe then WHY DIDNT RJJ FOLLOW HIS OWN CRITICISM OR ADVICE AND GO LOOK FOR IT IN EUROPE??? The Great SUGAR RAY ROBINSON DID!!! If you are gonna call yourself the best ever or the best then the least you should do is FIGHT the best fighters in the world at your weight be it here or there. That's what WORLD CHAMPIONS do. Oh that's right, RJJ fights in RUSSIA now!!! I wonder why. LOL! Wake up people. Oh, and when Jones moved up to fight "The Heavyweight Champion of The World" he didn't fight Lennox Lewis....nope....John Ruiz. See a pattern? Guess ya'all forgot. There's a sucker born every minute. HELLO MAX KELLERMAN.
Wow. You said it so perfectly. I just wanna copy and paste it before someone deletes it.
I’ve been saying this for years thank you! Finally someone knows their boxing
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Imagine RJJ coming up in the age of YT and Instagram. Social media woulda made this dude the GOAT before he even left middleweight
Roy is the greatest fighter I've ever seen
Roy Jones was unbeaten for 15 years, from May 6, 1989 till till his first legit lost in May 15, 2004. Those 15 years includes 20+ victories in title figths in four weight classes .
If wasnt that stupid DQ, Jones would have been 50-0 when he beat Tarver in their first bout.
The only reason why there's still arguement is because he keeps fighting till almost 50 (almost 3 decades) and losses many fights later on.
He has fought in 4 decades as of now, if he he another fight his career would have spanded 5 DECADES! That is pretty damn crazy.
Roy Jones in his pomp was just the perfect fighter imo,never seen anything like it,also had power in both hands lol
I agree
Roy Jones Jr......enough said.....
Well said !
My boy jones jr
Let’s have it right though. With all due to respect to Roy Jones, he knew he had NO BUSINESS at heavyweight after that Ruiz fight!
Ruiz was shit although he was ranked decently high he was never an elite heavyweight, paper champion at most. With Lennox, Bowe, Tyson, Holyfield and Klitsckos in the mix he knew he was gonna get crucified.
Still P4P top 3 or maybe even number 1!
Max Kellerman you're the voice of the truth gospel word
First I hate the term p4p best becauae its nonsense 99% of the time. But Floyd was not #2 p4p in an unbroken time period. Manny took that away from him when retired and it took him years to get it back. 2nd RJJ was a beast, I hate the term p4p best but deserves a #1 spot
Been saying this for years
@maxkellerman who are your top 10 greatest boxers and where do you compare the matrix to Jones Jr I feel like he is the the step in evolution of boxing Roy is my all time favorite but this lomachinko (forgive me for Miss spelling) is that next step just want your insight been a fan of yours for years
He says they wer both in there primes in the 90s, wrong! roy was, floyd was a young lion
Lol, I remember Roy Jones Jr and not really being interested in his fights because he was sooo much better than the opposition. I stopped following him as a middleweight. He belongs ranked higher than he is because he stayed around too long.
I agree always said it
Whatever it was the weight gain/loss or getting pounded on by a much bigger man for 12 rounds Jones was never the same fighter after Ruiz,the sad part about that is that instead of comparing him to SRR as the greatest all time pound for pound many think prime Joe Calzaghe or GGG were possibly as good.
Notice I didn't mention RJJ. Guess I musta forgot.
Man A RJJ fight was a Fucking Show to watch I never aeen anything like him and i was a Hopkins fan growing up But That Damn Roy was King BY FAR Everybody Knew it too
The announcement of Mike Tyson vs. Roy Jones brought me here today.
There isn't even anyone that any analyst can compare Floyd to in his generation, thats how good he was. I love RJJ but Floyd was a far superior boxer.
brmillgr far superior boxer who never fought anyone at their peak
santiago - ok ydksab
@@Santiago-ln5pdFacts.
Roy was chasing greatness (moving up in weight for more challenges). Mayweather was chasing money (strategically picking decent fighters who he know he had an advantage over who would be entertaining while getting the most money out of the fight). Floyd was the better boxer, but I felt B-hop was a better boxer than Roy too, and you saw what happened when they fought the first time. When you are athletically gifted and have speed and punching power like that, it trumps a lot of that "skill" that other fighters would come in the ring with (Ex: Wilder vs. Ortiz). Roy would have either UD'd Mayweather or TKO'd him, and I would bet the house.
Agreed 👍
💯% FACTS....Ali is the GOAT becuz his persona and mentality, it wasn’t just his skill that made him the greatest to ever live, BUT when it came to pure skill of boxing Roy Jones Jr was the greatest pound for pound, if anyone’s a rap fan to me it’s like comparing 2pac and Eminem... most ppl refer to 2pac as the greatest hip hop artists cuz everything he brought to the game, but when it comes to technical ability to actually rap and pen together lyrics Eminem has the most skill and should be considered the greatest rapper to ever live, but artists like PAC, artists Nas, Biggie and Jay-Z get that goat title becuz of the whole package...hope that makes sense....and for the record Nas is the goat in my eyes then Eminem
Is this all true? Im a pretty casual fan trying to get more into boxing. Was it really a known thing that someone like floyd shouldn't even look at him? If so i am amazed and will be watching his highlights all day lol
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Floyd fought 50 times w/27 knockouts while roy has 47 knockouts. So roy has as many knockouts as floyd has wins.
I love Roy. He was my favorite when he was boxing. He has 9 loses??!! That's terrible. Just retire and enjoy ur money. He's earned it..
Should have fought Gerald McClellen, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Frankie Liles, and Darius Michlecezche
He ain’t lie
Every word is FACT
I 100% agree
If you say RJJ is better than Floyd you know nothing about boxing, RJJ has style that rely on phenomenal speed. But Floyd is best pure boxer with some decent defensive skills.
bbrother92 yeah and Tamika Catching was a better basketball player than Michael Jordan. She had much better fundamentals. She could really lay it in and he chest pass was amazing. She put much better arc on the ball unlike Jordan who shot the ball flat.
this is retarded to compare two different sports
Roy is the 🐐
Huge fan of both but Floyd fought better competition. One needs to go no further than the Mayweather vs Corrales fight. At the time Corrales was destroying EVERYONE, a true beast of a fighter. Floyd destroyed his career in that fight. Roy was great, but Floyd was better.
Amen
Corrales came down from 135 to 130 to fight him, while as Roy got Wins against a prime B Hop and James Toney, a year apart 🤷🏾♂️
@@TLathers225Facts. Plus, they were both in their primes. Mayweather ducked all prime fighters.
@@TLathers225Roy avoided prime Hop and Toney was weight drained
@@rparchman how did he avoid a prime Hopkins when he beat him
I don't agree with that he was more flashy but Floyd's career absolutely Trump's his career hands down
I agree
By far
In terms of sheer athleticism, I would say Roy was greatest of all time. In terms of skill and not getting hit, Floyd is better
John Kim go back and watch Roy’s fights. His skill was 20 times better
Floyd vs Roy can be debated forever. Two alltime greats.
I mean you can say that but Remember Roy was the first fighter in copybox history to go a single round and not get hit