For me, Kellerman is the only analyst I actually listen too and makes me think when talking about boxing. I miss HBO Boxing, still can't believe its been 3 years without it.
Long live Manny Pacquiao and wherever life’s journey takes him. Thank you for inspiring people the world over and providing us with some of the most thrilling boxing events of all time.
@@kingbo472 it doesn’t say Manny is dead. When you say “Long live the Queen” is that assuming the Queen is dead? Of course not. It means continue to “live” for a long time.
It's hard to punch a hole in Max's argument. He KNOWS boxing and his knowledge is pretty scary. Pacquiao's career and evolution is definitely as great as Ali's and Sugar Ray.
@@tigerstripe3170 The original 8 are Heavyweight, Cruiserweight, Middleweight, Welterweight, Lightweight, Featherweight, Bantamweight, Flyweight. Pacquiao won from Welterweight and below. That means he won 5 of the original 8.
Manny was an inspiration to all in and out of the ring. My favorite fighter of this generation. A God fearing man. God bless Manny and thank you for the thrills.
The key point is POUND 4 POUND which basically means that the boxer can win and dominate in multiple weight classes. You have to listen the context of what Max is saying. Pacquiao is definitely at the top in terms of "pound 4 pound" technically. You can even put Mayweather, Roy Jones Jr. and Oscar Delahoya up there because they were dominant in multiple weight classes, but I'd give Pacquiao the edge though because as Max stated, he started at flyweight, won championships in more weight classes than the others. I could be wrong, but for me, Pound4Pound is different from the G.O.A.T conversation, but both terms compliment each other. You can say the greatest boxers are dominant in different weight classes while saying, in the same token, that the greatest boxers usually defeat other great, dominant fighters🤷🏿♂️
What i love about Manny is different though, at the start when he was under age he was so malnourished before he fight he put rocks in his trunks just to meet the weight needed to, it's like begging to be mauled by heavier fighters. I love the desperation the courage to face anyone. Until the end he didn't duck poor Spence.🤣
I agree. The fact that Pacquiao turn pro at the age of 16 at 98 lbs thats the minimumweight division. Then won his first world champion at flyweight. Then collecting lineal titles from Flyweight, Featherweight, Super featherweight , Light welterweight then Welterweight. Thats crazy
Only 8 Division World Champion -Only World Champion in 4 Consecutive Decades -Only Lineal World Champion in 5 Weight Divisions Etc…. Pacquiao = GOAT 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 If Pacquiao is american. He is the GOAT. Simple as that.
Sugar Ray Robinson record was ridiculuosly amazing cuz he fought more than 200 fights and won 174 wins and 19 losses with 109 KO, and he also went 91 unbeatable winning streak before he lost, so Thats why he's the GOAT. Manny Pacquiao on the other hand became a 8 division world champion, 5 lineal world champion, only boxer who won champion in 4 different decades, greatest southpaw of all time and the oldest welterweight champion at the age of 40 vs Keith Thurman, thats why he's no.2 in Kellerman's list.
I personally have henry armstrong above ray robinson because he practically ruled half of boxing. He was the UNDISPUTED champ in 3 divisions simultaneously and was robbed of his 4th undispusted belt, so really in 4 out of 8 divisions which is just straight up unreal. Not to mention having beaten 16 world champs and only drew one, whom most people believe he deserved the win against
Bernard Hopkins at the age of 41 went up 2 weight classes and beat Antonio tarver Who had just beat Roy Jones who was pound for pound number one. Bernard Hopkins was a unified champion at the age of 45. Bernard Hopkins was a champion at the age of 49. I think that's a little bit better than Pacquiao.
PACQUIAO #1 pound for pound King 🤴. His resume speaks for itself. What did you want him to do? Maybe win at Heavyweight. LEGEND. 1 of the Greatest Boxers of all time. Definitely pound for pound King 🤴..
"Forget about the 8-division champ title, because Manny Pacquiao is the only boxer in history to have fought and won four belts in the first eight boxing weight classes, namely flyweight, bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight, welterweight, middleweight, light heavyweight, and heavyweight. Pacquiao won titles in the flyweight, featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight divisions. Therefore, if we stick to the original eight boxing weight classes, Pacquiao is the only boxer in history to have won four titles out of those eight. He is the only legitimate 4-division champ in boxing history, if we stick to those first 8 weight classes. In my opinion, he is the greatest of all time because of the unprecedented heights he has achieved in his career."
Manny is literally the only reason why I started to like and appreciate boxing his the reason why I understand why people love watching boxing so much😢 i will missed him!!!
I watch this show religiously ever since max left that garbage first take. He just GLOWS whenever he has the chance to speak boxing...it's his passion.
Nah max trash. He said manny has twitches and big calfs....... he needs to just quit. Hes reslly bad. Its like watching your step dad play with you cause your mom said... its just forced.... doesnt feel right.... not natrual....
Y’all are a bunch of hypocrites! Max was hated on every single day on first take, now that he left everyone loves him. You know the saying. People don’t miss something untill it’s gone. Kinda how when SAS one day leaves first take nobody will watch ESPN period anymore
Floyd fans can only bring up his undefeated record yet there were boxers before him who were undefeated and also fought way more. Floyd is good, but he's nowhere near goat status.
@@bboygenetics9882 name me one undefeated boxer who beat 23 world champions in just 50 fights? Unified and held titles at 147 and 154 all at the same time? I'm waiting
@@tigerstripe3170 Majority of his fights were hand picked. He always waited until his biggest threats lost to someone else first or they showed visual signs of age or injury. Then once someone else figured out how to beat them, that's when Floyd chose to fight. Anybody can go undefeated if they handpick their opponents. Of his fights, how many were against people at the top of their game? You could probably count that on one hand.
@@bboygenetics9882 u talking about floyd or manny? As far as I know floyd beat better versions of Hatton mosley oscar and even cotto whilst manny drained them or fought them coming of a loss LMAO floyd always fought the top 5 guys on thier weight class or p4p go check the facts and if u think beating 23 world champions is called cherry picking then I dnt know what to say
@@bboygenetics9882 Actually, Floyd hand-picked the best fighters at their division at that time. Let’s not forget that manny fought at WW and chose Jr. WW opponents. You don’t remember Rios (off lose), Vargas, Algieri, Marquez, & Bradley. All while Floyd was fighting better opponents.
Lol maybe you pactards are just delusional 😂 how can he be better than someone who beat him easily? Not to mention all the times he lost or been knocked out? Floyd has barley ever been hurt and never dropped.
Sugar ray has lost and may weather hasn’t but are you really gonna tell me that floyd is bette than sugar ray. Max is talking abt total body of work -do you know how hard it is to be a champion with a record of 8 divisions.
@@PimpingAintEasy1 Manny Pac fought more difficult opponents over a career. Floyd Mayweather fights are boring to watch. Only reason Most people watch him is 4 his record which he has because he RAN from bigger challenges after he was 20-0. He never rematch Canelo who was a kid when they fought
Pacman From 106lbs moving up to 154lbs is just beautiful, And the amazing thing of Pacman Is when he get the WBC lightweight title against David Diaz, then he jumped up two weight class to fight and beat Dela Hoya at 147lbs how amazing boxing career was that its just unbelievable🇵🇭
Not to mention. He turn pro at 16 yrs old at 98 lbs and his fighting at minimumweight. Then won world titles and lineal titles from Flyweight up to junior middleweight. Thats insame
@@nohatejustops3575 Yeap. I think Pacquiao's greatest feat is when he won lineal titles in 5 different division. The only boxer that came close is the goat Muhammad Ali wherein his a 3x lineal heavyweight champion.
@@mightywhitey718 imagine if pac didnt skipped super bantamweight and super flyweight division, he probably a 10 weight division world champ before he hang up his gloves.
@@Its-DeiTyBecause Your American If Pac Is American I'm Sure u Definitely Say Pac. is GOAT. 50-0 Vs. 4 Decades Champ+8 Division World Champ That's Resume No American Boxer Do That. your Annoy Because Boxing Sport Is American Sport BuT Dominate a Pilipinos Man Hahahaha . Too Hurts
people forget that pacquiao didn't box for legacy. he boxed only for money; started boxing for survival and kept boxing for charity. He is the most brave fighter ever. He was often underprepared and under-experienced which is why he had losses earlier in his career.
Now when Max talks about boxing, it becomes a combo of objective Encyclopedic knowledge with a living, breathing, pulsating ❤! Hence, listening to him becomes additional wisdom & fascination.
Greatest boxer ever vs best pound for pound fighter ever are two different things. Pacquiao is definitely the greatest pound for pound fighter that ever lived. No contest!
actually they're the same man. You can't be the 1st p4p of all time without being the greatest of all time. Its not about their record on fighitng on different divisions. It's hyphotetical that based on their skill set, if somehow Pacquiao was a heavyweight, could he have defeated Mike Tyson. So it tries to negate the advantage of heavier weight divisions. If it is about fighting in different divisions, then back in the 90s holyfield should have been ranked higher in the p4p rankings back when Whitaker was 1 and Jones was 2nd. Bo was I think ranked the same or higher than Tyson, with Holyfield not in the top10. Ofcourse Holyfied was a Cruserweight was it before becoming Heavyweight champion, so he is a two division word champion. It was I think the Ring Magazines Ranking. Yet, i believe Bo and Tyson only fought at Heavy their entire career.
You will never see manny pacquiao talking trash about his opponents before and after the fight, manny is a very humble & respectful guy thats why hes the greatest of all time.
I remember max from Johnny lats gym when he was just in Manhattan network channel. Community channel very low budget but was dropping knowledge. I always told people don't laugh he's guna make it big . Congrats max 💪🏽
Never proven he juiced. Its guilty until proven innocent with these slanderous haters not the other way around. And I dont think his pride as a warrior will make him wanna take PED's. He even fights people handicapped and at a disadvantage(height,reach,etc.) Meanwhile the accuser was caught by USADA using illegal IV injections and settled with a court case in the US for accusing Pacman of using PED's.
@@negusibe9232 yh thats true and floyd fought dela hoya cotto canelo at 154 whearas manny only fought magarito at 154 and fought de la hoya and cotto at 147!
@@sayd245 Manny started at 108 and is only 5'6 while Floyd started his career at 126 and is 2 inches taller than Pacman, Floyd is naturally a way bigger guy than Manny dude. It's already a miracle how a Fly weight made it up to the light-middle weight, not only did he do that but he also won 8 weight divisions titles while going up, the fact that he was even able to compete against guys that are 30-40 pounds bigger than his natural weight is such a one of a kind feat that prolly no one else would be able to copy
I remember the time when Max said exact same thing and the boxing world reaction was like "its a blasphemy to say those stuff", like its a "hbo move" or completely delusional.....Now Max looking like a "Deontay Wilder for signing the contract" 😂. Max really is the last of his kind if were talking about the golden days boxing analyst.
Most experts agree Manny had a better career not just kellerman kellerman is good but there is boxing historians who agree Manny had a way better career
Pacquiao is so small and won 5 lineal and champion in 8 weight classes oldest welterweight in history.. what an accomplishment for a very small midget man. Floid is a big heavy man and fighting small dude
@@mxse1551 yes..very small mdget fighter but had a giant accomplishment in boxing history unlke American fighter's they're all big and weight bully and boring to watch
floyd is a ped cheat , 3 fail drug test and illegal i v , , google,,, floyd mayweather 3 fail drug test , and you will know why floyd settle his court case with manny ,and had paid manny pac a large disclosed amount of money to not to open his usada drug record to the public
If you go by "natural weight" please note that Evander Holyfield was beating fighters that weighted 100 lbs more than his 'natural weight". At 18 years old, Manny was 16 years old when he started, Holyfield was 147 lbs. He beat the maybe the hardest hitter ever in boxing.
to the people that think mayweather is better because of his record, he has been picking and choosing his opponents for a long time, thats not a valid argument. saying he is better because he won, lets not pretend that boxing has deep mafia ties to this day and has had fixed matches, through player and judges. manny was the winner in their fight that shouldve happened way sooner
People that think Mayweather is better, they don't know enough about boxing to have an opinion in the first place. People that look at their numbers to base an opinion about a boxer is not a true boxing fan.
I think Tiger Stripe and I have similar opinion on this. If you just summarily dismiss win and loss record along with the result of head-to head fight, what do you use to judge boxers with?
@@tigerstripe3170 context matters, the fact that floys has been cherry picking at the very least his last 20 opponents, one of which isnt even a boxer. the fact that manny has been a champion in 8 different weight classes is less likely to happen again than a 50-0 record, which other great fighters in the past have gone above and beyond that before eventually losing a single fight while having many many wins more. many fought anybody that challenged him, unlike floyd, so yes manny is better. and like i said, lets not pretend boxing doesnt have mafia ties through players and judges, manny was not the clear winner but surely performed the better in their head to head fight. so gtfoh with that regurgitated record nonsense you casual
Personally, I never liked Mayweather. But as a boxer, he was amazing. His style was very defensive so people did not like that, but defense is a part of boxing.
Yeah Mayweather ducked a younger fighter so he can magically get older than Floyd somehow. Stfu. Manny been losing since 20 years ago. Manny could never be Goat especially to some of the people that beat him like Jeff Horn.
@@KevinFlores-oi8sn to be fair most people thought manny beat Horn, i had him up on cards too but you never know with boxing. Bradley got an undeserved win on him too.
Max talking bout basketball, football or baseball. That u can argue his point. But boxing???? Go sit down and just listen. If he says pacman is #2 p4p of all time… then so be it point, blank, period!!!!
@@tigerstripe3170 he said "end of his career". Its ok to fight someone with 0-0 record in the beginning of their career but at the end of their careers they should be fighting fighters with a lot of experience already.
This is the kind of nonsense that’s said and goes unchecked because the cohost are uninformed. This is a nonsensical take that he does not back up with any legitimate points.
Manny's career speaks for itself, and if we're using the number of titles in weight divisions, its Manny hands down. The best P4P are Sugar ray Robinson, SRL, Manny, Duran and Floyd, PERIOD, though not necessarily in that order. The "order" is another much more complicated question
Guess oscar is second on the list then because he won it in 6 divisions? And guess we should start counting IBO and titles win at catchweights as legit titles as well?
@@tigerstripe3170 back it up with his dominance. Don’t think you can name any of these 6 division winners or any of these multiple winners that were dominant
5 lineal championships man, the smarter people get the less they’ll talk about Floyd years from now. Cuz all they’ll have is records. Sugar ray 201 fights , pac 108-154lbs - analytical minds will notice .
Pac is simultaneously an ATG both in terms of his ability to move up in weight and his longevity. It's insane for a 41 year old former flyweight to beat an undefeated welterweight champ in Thurman.
@@davidmun1601 to me Floyd is really "The Best Ever" you know when it comes to skill and boxing iq he's unreal, but as I said when we talk about "GREATNESS" no one is even close to pacman's greatness, we'll never ever see someone accomplish what Pacquiao accomplished in boxing, his legacy and records wil forever live in boxing history.
@@xanderdiwa2996 I am not sure how to measure the "best" and "greatness". As an Asian, I want rank PacMan above Mayweather. As a human being, Mayweather is not a good person, and I have heard many good things about PacMan. However, this is a boxing discussion.
@@davidmun1601 to me "the best" and "the greatest" are 2 different things, I mean categories to qualify in those things might be the same, but skill and talent is factored more when you talk about "the best" and I think thats Floyd Mayweather, and when you talk about "the greatest" I think accomplishment and legacy is the main factor thas't just my opinion and sorry for my english I'm not that good at it, I'm a Filipino by the way.
@@xanderdiwa2996 You are doing great. I enjoy having these discussions because we are respectfully giving each other our views. I do have to agree with you if you are defining those terms in those ways. Personally, I cannot stand Mayweather, his boxing style, his life style etc. Anyway, it was great having these discussions with you. Take care.
Manny the 🐐🐐🐐 i really love max saying facts 100% true and got a really good point now thats a person who really knows boxing well his on of the best commentators in sport
@@sayd245 Their problem is that they never had that mega fight that people remember. As boxing fans, we know them very well, but to casual fans, unfortunately, not so much.
@@sayd245 Roy beat the weakest skilled heavyweight in the division at the time(Ruiz) still an impressive feat but that was his only fight at heavy. And Toney beat a few journey men and some washed up legends also still impressive coming from a guy who started as middle weight. Point is no one talks about it because they weren't game changers. Roy was one and done and JT never moved beyond contender in the heavy weights.
@@elijaharvinger8711 manny is a 8 division champion, 3 of them champions noone even knows, they were weak champions so keep that same energy and manny didnt beat number 1 at 147 which is floyd!
@@davidmun1601 yeah no offence, but it sounds like you may not be an avid boxing fan. Defeats are part of the game, like any other sport, we can't go by statistics alone because they can be manipulated. What Floyd did is most definitely more than impressive and I'd say he's the greatest defensive fighter of all time that I know of for sure.
Max speaking facts! Love you max! Best boxing analyst since Bert Sugar. Im glad you're out of first take where you always have to take the losing side of the debate bcoz of stephen a
Pacman lost or got a draw at nearly every weight. This includes two loses at flyweight before he got to his 30th fight. Most of his fights were at welterweight, 10 years, so that's his natural weight. Floyd out boxed Manny, he mostly out quicked/smarted him, it wasn't like he used his naturally heavier build.
@@melvinsolaes what guys are you talking about. A washed up Oscar or a weight drained Cotto . Manny fought them both at a catch weight. Floyd fought them at their natural weight
@@myronsmith2114 Bobo. At their natural weight? Floyd KOed Hatton at WW. Is WW Hatton natural weight class? Cotto drained? That was the most dangerous fight in his prime years. And you forgot Pac moved 2 weight classes up to met up with DLH.
@@shinobiinu8426 And when the fight with Manny was first announced Oscar weight was 168 so he lost 23 pounds in about 5 weeks. That was to much for a guy his age
I love sugar Robinson, pac man all of them. But floyd mayweather, honestly, his style, defence, work ethic and mindset. 1 in a millennium and is the best pound for pound ever
@@pineappleribena6633 nah floyd was a smarter fighter than manny. floyd selected his fights. manny kept moving up well above his natural weight, thats a lot of strain on the body
I've followed Max to this show. I started watching First Take for SAS and Skip. Then I realized I was cool with SAS and rode the wave of him finding a host. Glad it wasn't Will Cain. Was extremely excited that MAX won out because I've been a fan since his Friday Night Fight days (huge boxing fan here). I watched First Take without fail for SAS and MAX. Now MAX left, I no longer feel the love for First Take that I once had. Probably because i know that SAS "wanted MAX off the show". I am not a SAS hater, but I realize he alone isn't the reason the show had been successful. I prefer to listen to MAX and I enjoy the SKIP/SHANNON dynamic.
Smart man. Ppl act like Floyd isn't a 5 division champ himself. Most people don't even know most of the guys Pac fought to get belts in some of those weight classes. And Pacquiao lost in different weight classes, Floyd was never defeated and went all the way up to 154 when he was a 130 pounder
@@toolegit7668 NOT TO MENTION, $$$$ has fought more world champs than anybody!! I am not sure what "they" are looking@??? Floyd clearly has more skill-set than Pac??? WHAT DID HE DO WELL(in the ring)??? They coulda fought in day-care, in high school, on the corner....PAC wouldn't have beat him. I'LL TAKE A SKILLED BOXER over a "puncher" ANY DAY🥊🥊!! Giving Mayweather his flowers NOW!!!💐🌷💐
Ill take pac. Hes an icon. He has money too, even if not as much as Floyd. Floyd is only important to the black community. Pac is considered a hero in his country.
@Mandrake Dawgski Sounds like u are "trying" to tell ME what u feel like is "acceptable" for me to post(instead of just posting your F'n self)? PLEASE STOP.
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I love hearing Max talk boxing. He loves it. I love it.
Bodies drop from body shots cause I can box, no glocks or karate chops
- Rumble Young man Rumble, Max and Sam Kellerman
Whenever max talks boxing. I always listen! He definitely knows his Boxing.
Yeah he's a great boxing analyst and host. Basketball tho? He'd rather have iguodala
@@ceciladams4882 yoooo caught me off guard 😂
-youre wrong max and heres why.
gotta miss those stupid lines 🤣🤣🤣
When Max talks about boxing, it's practically preach
Nailed it
For me, Kellerman is the only analyst I actually listen too and makes me think when talking about boxing.
I miss HBO Boxing, still can't believe its been 3 years without it.
Roy Jones is very smart..he sees alot of mistakes and pretty much calls things before they happen.
I can’t believe it’s only been three years kinda feels longer lol
@@Mickieshelton but he became biased when the fight pacman vs floyd happened that made me ignore listening to roy
@@ycee8629 biased against who??
@@ycee8629 well watch the fight and comment
Long live Manny Pacquiao and wherever life’s journey takes him. Thank you for inspiring people the world over and providing us with some of the most thrilling boxing events of all time.
Long live? He ain’t dead
@@kingbo472 it doesn’t say Manny is dead. When you say “Long live the Queen” is that assuming the Queen is dead? Of course not. It means continue to “live” for a long time.
Pacquiao was the only fighter who kept many fans interested in boxing.
@@kingbo472 niqqa learn to read and comprehend. 🤣🤣🤣
@@ChickCiccarelli 😂😂 I only hear long live in situations where someone has passed away
Honestly.... This show is working well, the chemistry is way easier to watch.
Totally agree.
✅
It's like Kobe, Pau Gasol, and Derek Fisher playing together instead of Kobe and Shaq.
All Stephen A did was yell when he was wrong which was all the time
I do too but still wish he was on first take...loved his American football and NBA statistics too!
It's hard to punch a hole in Max's argument. He KNOWS boxing and his knowledge is pretty scary. Pacquiao's career and evolution is definitely as great as Ali's and Sugar Ray.
It's not even as great as Henry Armstrong who won titles in 3 weight classes in a time where there was only 8 weight classes
@@tigerstripe3170 The original 8 are Heavyweight, Cruiserweight, Middleweight, Welterweight, Lightweight, Featherweight, Bantamweight, Flyweight.
Pacquiao won from Welterweight and below. That means he won 5 of the original 8.
@@executor2056 it’s actually heavyweight than light heavy weight not cruiserweight the rest are correct
Mike Tyson I think is top 3
@@tigerstripe3170 SPEECHLESS from demolishing_Kings???🤣🤣🤣
Manny was an inspiration to all in and out of the ring. My favorite fighter of this generation. A God fearing man. God bless Manny and thank you for the thrills.
Floyd was god fearing 🤷♂️
@@PaiidBzno one asked
The key point is POUND 4 POUND which basically means that the boxer can win and dominate in multiple weight classes. You have to listen the context of what Max is saying. Pacquiao is definitely at the top in terms of "pound 4 pound" technically. You can even put Mayweather, Roy Jones Jr. and Oscar Delahoya up there because they were dominant in multiple weight classes, but I'd give Pacquiao the edge though because as Max stated, he started at flyweight, won championships in more weight classes than the others. I could be wrong, but for me, Pound4Pound is different from the G.O.A.T conversation, but both terms compliment each other. You can say the greatest boxers are dominant in different weight classes while saying, in the same token, that the greatest boxers usually defeat other great, dominant fighters🤷🏿♂️
What i love about Manny is different though, at the start when he was under age he was so malnourished before he fight he put rocks in his trunks just to meet the weight needed to, it's like begging to be mauled by heavier fighters. I love the desperation the courage to face anyone. Until the end he didn't duck poor Spence.🤣
I agree. The fact that Pacquiao turn pro at the age of 16 at 98 lbs thats the minimumweight division. Then won his first world champion at flyweight. Then collecting lineal titles from Flyweight, Featherweight, Super featherweight , Light welterweight then Welterweight. Thats crazy
Only 8 Division World Champion
-Only World Champion in 4 Consecutive Decades
-Only Lineal World Champion in 5 Weight Divisions
Etc….
Pacquiao = GOAT 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
If Pacquiao is american. He is the GOAT. Simple as that.
Agree 1000000%
@@ramgar1312 i dont think so bro he lost to ugas
Sugar Ray Robinson record was ridiculuosly amazing cuz he fought more than 200 fights and won 174 wins and 19 losses with 109 KO, and he also went 91 unbeatable winning streak before he lost, so Thats why he's the GOAT. Manny Pacquiao on the other hand became a 8 division world champion, 5 lineal world champion, only boxer who won champion in 4 different decades, greatest southpaw of all time and the oldest welterweight champion at the age of 40 vs Keith Thurman, thats why he's no.2 in Kellerman's list.
Well I'm a little late to the game but what is goat goat what's it stand for Zoom it's an acronym and what does Zoom stand for
Yep, and he was fighting 20-21 fights a year unlike today's boxers who fights once in 2 years.
I personally have henry armstrong above ray robinson because he practically ruled half of boxing. He was the UNDISPUTED champ in 3 divisions simultaneously and was robbed of his 4th undispusted belt, so really in 4 out of 8 divisions which is just straight up unreal. Not to mention having beaten 16 world champs and only drew one, whom most people believe he deserved the win against
Bernard Hopkins at the age of 41 went up 2 weight classes and beat Antonio tarver Who had just beat Roy Jones who was pound for pound number one. Bernard Hopkins was a unified champion at the age of 45. Bernard Hopkins was a champion at the age of 49. I think that's a little bit better than Pacquiao.
How many world champions did Sugar Ray Robinson fight?
PACQUIAO #1 pound for pound King 🤴. His
resume speaks for itself.
What did you want him to do? Maybe
win at Heavyweight.
LEGEND.
1 of the Greatest Boxers of all time.
Definitely pound for pound King 🤴..
if he's American for sure he will be considered as the greatest of all time 😅
"Forget about the 8-division champ title, because Manny Pacquiao is the only boxer in history to have fought and won four belts in the first eight boxing weight classes, namely flyweight, bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight, welterweight, middleweight, light heavyweight, and heavyweight. Pacquiao won titles in the flyweight, featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight divisions. Therefore, if we stick to the original eight boxing weight classes, Pacquiao is the only boxer in history to have won four titles out of those eight. He is the only legitimate 4-division champ in boxing history, if we stick to those first 8 weight classes. In my opinion, he is the greatest of all time because of the unprecedented heights he has achieved in his career."
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@@RvThesecond pac actually got 5 of the 8 original
2 belts was gifted to him and the other belts he won was all catch weight not the weight limit for the belts
Manny is literally the only reason why I started to like and appreciate boxing his the reason why I understand why people love watching boxing so much😢 i will missed him!!!
Pacquiao GOAT!! no one will ever achieve what Pacman did.
What?? Get knocked out cold.
Steroids
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I watch this show religiously ever since max left that garbage first take. He just GLOWS whenever he has the chance to speak boxing...it's his passion.
Yea Fuc that garbage
Stephen A ego is his worst enemy
Nah max trash. He said manny has twitches and big calfs....... he needs to just quit. Hes reslly bad. Its like watching your step dad play with you cause your mom said... its just forced.... doesnt feel right.... not natrual....
@@stunnermane5775 well Manny does.
Y’all are a bunch of hypocrites! Max was hated on every single day on first take, now that he left everyone loves him. You know the saying. People don’t miss something untill it’s gone. Kinda how when SAS one day leaves first take nobody will watch ESPN period anymore
Some people in these comments can’t fathom the idea of someone being ranked higher than Floyd Mayweather even if it’s about Pound 4 Pound.
Floyd fans can only bring up his undefeated record yet there were boxers before him who were undefeated and also fought way more. Floyd is good, but he's nowhere near goat status.
@@bboygenetics9882 name me one undefeated boxer who beat 23 world champions in just 50 fights? Unified and held titles at 147 and 154 all at the same time? I'm waiting
@@tigerstripe3170 Majority of his fights were hand picked. He always waited until his biggest threats lost to someone else first or they showed visual signs of age or injury. Then once someone else figured out how to beat them, that's when Floyd chose to fight.
Anybody can go undefeated if they handpick their opponents. Of his fights, how many were against people at the top of their game? You could probably count that on one hand.
@@bboygenetics9882 u talking about floyd or manny? As far as I know floyd beat better versions of Hatton mosley oscar and even cotto whilst manny drained them or fought them coming of a loss LMAO floyd always fought the top 5 guys on thier weight class or p4p go check the facts and if u think beating 23 world champions is called cherry picking then I dnt know what to say
@@bboygenetics9882 Actually, Floyd hand-picked the best fighters at their division at that time. Let’s not forget that manny fought at WW and chose Jr. WW opponents. You don’t remember Rios (off lose), Vargas, Algieri, Marquez, & Bradley. All while Floyd was fighting better opponents.
This is why I always say I don’t wanna hear Max talk about nothing except boxing. Because his boxing knowledge is astute & always on point
How could pac be better than floyd when he got embarrassed head to head? How is that on point
Lol maybe you pactards are just delusional 😂 how can he be better than someone who beat him easily? Not to mention all the times he lost or been knocked out? Floyd has barley ever been hurt and never dropped.
@@PimpingAintEasy1 cuz he has heart he doesn’t hug. floyd is the boxing worlds harden.
Sugar ray has lost and may weather hasn’t but are you really gonna tell me that floyd is bette than sugar ray. Max is talking abt total body of work -do you know how hard it is to be a champion with a record of 8 divisions.
@@PimpingAintEasy1 Manny Pac fought more difficult opponents over a career. Floyd Mayweather fights are boring to watch. Only reason Most people watch him is 4 his record which he has because he RAN from bigger challenges after he was 20-0. He never rematch Canelo who was a kid when they fought
Pacman deserve to go to the wall of hall of fame one of the bests boxer i ever seen
2 hall of fame careers in one man. Like Kobe, also with 2 hall of fame careers in 1 man.
Pacman From 106lbs moving up to 154lbs is just beautiful, And the amazing thing of Pacman Is when he get the WBC lightweight title against David Diaz, then he jumped up two weight class to fight and beat Dela Hoya at 147lbs how amazing boxing career was that its just unbelievable🇵🇭
Not to mention. He turn pro at 16 yrs old at 98 lbs and his fighting at minimumweight. Then won world titles and lineal titles from Flyweight up to junior middleweight. Thats insame
@@coolkidd4754 and yeah when he was 16 he fights with fighter who is 5 years 7 years older than him..what a beast
@@nohatejustops3575 Yeap. I think Pacquiao's greatest feat is when he won lineal titles in 5 different division. The only boxer that came close is the goat Muhammad Ali wherein his a 3x lineal heavyweight champion.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the last two weight classes were at a catchweight. He fought at 145 & 150, not 147 &154.
@@mightywhitey718 imagine if pac didnt skipped super bantamweight and super flyweight division, he probably a 10 weight division world champ before he hang up his gloves.
PACQUIAO = GOAT.
SIMPLE AS THAT.
Well no, he was great but definitely not the greatest.
@@Its-DeiTy let me guess based on your profile pic mayweather is the greatest lol
@@heyarnold1484 what does a picture of my face have to do with Mayweather?
@@Its-DeiTy it's obvious
@@Its-DeiTyBecause Your American If Pac Is American I'm Sure u Definitely Say Pac. is GOAT. 50-0 Vs. 4 Decades Champ+8 Division World Champ That's Resume No American Boxer Do That. your Annoy Because Boxing Sport Is American Sport BuT Dominate a Pilipinos Man Hahahaha . Too Hurts
Simply put, Max has a really solid point in his argument. Salute!
Not only moving through 8 weight classes, but, dominating every one of them.
I agree with those calves. It's so big you can notice it when he fights.
Happy retirement champ. I doubt we'll ever see another MP 🦁👑 in our lifetime again.
people forget that pacquiao didn't box for legacy. he boxed only for money; started boxing for survival and kept boxing for charity. He is the most brave fighter ever. He was often underprepared and under-experienced which is why he had losses earlier in his career.
Now when Max talks about boxing, it becomes a combo of objective Encyclopedic knowledge with a living, breathing, pulsating ❤!
Hence, listening to him becomes additional wisdom & fascination.
Greatest boxer ever vs best pound for pound fighter ever are two different things. Pacquiao is definitely the greatest pound for pound fighter that ever lived. No contest!
actually they're the same man. You can't be the 1st p4p of all time without being the greatest of all time.
Its not about their record on fighitng on different divisions. It's hyphotetical that based on their skill set, if somehow Pacquiao was a heavyweight, could he have defeated Mike Tyson. So it tries to negate the advantage of heavier weight divisions. If it is about fighting in different divisions, then back in the 90s holyfield should have been ranked higher in the p4p rankings back when Whitaker was 1 and Jones was 2nd. Bo was I think ranked the same or higher than Tyson, with Holyfield not in the top10. Ofcourse Holyfied was a Cruserweight was it before becoming Heavyweight champion, so he is a two division word champion. It was I think the Ring Magazines Ranking. Yet, i believe Bo and Tyson only fought at Heavy their entire career.
Ray Robinson is better
@Triggaanonymous Robinson probably the greatest boxer ever but not the greatest p4p fighter ever.
Best unbiased honest boxing analyst Max kellermam
Anything max says about boxing I have to take as gospel. Man knows what he’s talking about
Hahahahahaha!
Lol
Child please
He use to not anymore
@@erictinsley2823 exactly,dude said Pacquiao iz second best all time behind sugar Ray Robinson!!!!! What a insult!!!! Oh nd Floyd beat Pacquiao easy!
You will never see manny pacquiao talking trash about his opponents before and after the fight, manny is a very humble & respectful guy thats why hes the greatest of all time.
Pac is arguably the GOAT p4p due to the fact of 8 divisions and 5 lineal champ, nobody’s resume compares.
I remember max from Johnny lats gym when he was just in Manhattan network channel. Community channel very low budget but was dropping knowledge. I always told people don't laugh he's guna make it big . Congrats max 💪🏽
One of the greatest of all time. 8 Division World Titles will never be replicated. Plus ,5 lLineal World Titles,. Champion in 3 different decade
Do you think he juiced at all?
Steroids will do that
Never proven he juiced. Its guilty until proven innocent with these slanderous haters not the other way around.
And I dont think his pride as a warrior will make him wanna take PED's. He even fights people handicapped and at a disadvantage(height,reach,etc.)
Meanwhile the accuser was caught by USADA using illegal IV injections and settled with a court case in the US for accusing Pacman of using PED's.
its 4 decades
@@CoachQ773 He never tested positive for any banned substance. He underwent many random drug testing in the past. Look it up.
No disagreement Max knows what he talking about
Sometimes, Mayweather had a better career and was better boxer then Manny if you know boxing most Manny best fights is catch weight no rehydration 🤔
@@negusibe9232 Manny rematch almost every opponent
@@negusibe9232 yh thats true and floyd fought dela hoya cotto canelo at 154 whearas manny only fought magarito at 154 and fought de la hoya and cotto at 147!
@@mrbingo7564 thats true but only because he lost, floyd rematches were because they close fights then he outboxes them next one!
@@sayd245 Manny started at 108 and is only 5'6 while Floyd started his career at 126 and is 2 inches taller than Pacman, Floyd is naturally a way bigger guy than Manny dude. It's already a miracle how a Fly weight made it up to the light-middle weight, not only did he do that but he also won 8 weight divisions titles while going up, the fact that he was even able to compete against guys that are 30-40 pounds bigger than his natural weight is such a one of a kind feat that prolly no one else would be able to copy
Climbing 8 different weight classes and knocking all the guys is unbelievable.
I remember the time when Max said exact same thing and the boxing world reaction was like "its a blasphemy to say those stuff", like its a "hbo move" or completely delusional.....Now Max looking like a "Deontay Wilder for signing the contract" 😂. Max really is the last of his kind if were talking about the golden days boxing analyst.
Most experts agree Manny had a better career not just kellerman kellerman is good but there is boxing historians who agree Manny had a way better career
PAC is the such a legend! No doubt one of the Goats
Max is the only espn analyst you can trust when it comes to combat sports PERIOD!
When it comes to boxing you can trust him, there's others for mma
What about Stephen A. Smith jk
That's because max is a boxing analyst the rest are not there just giving a opinion skip is ok because he use to cover boxing
An all time great in his sport. Rags to riches. Loved by an entire country. What an inspiration man 🐐
kellerman, lampley, merchant etc. a lot of boxing historian said Pacquiao is much greater than mayweather i think thats true
Floyd is way greater than Manny let’s argue u will lose
@@julianosler7478 achievements of pacquiao is way greater than mayweather if you know something about boxing like all historian said
@@GunduyVlogs didn’t ur boy pacquiao lose to Floyd…oh ok
Thats true..
Manny top 5... Floyd top 15.
Miss max hes so good and a true professional
Pacquiao is so small and won 5 lineal and champion in 8 weight classes oldest welterweight in history.. what an accomplishment for a very small midget man. Floid is a big heavy man and fighting small dude
“Very small midget man”😭😂
@@mxse1551 yes..very small mdget fighter but had a giant accomplishment in boxing history unlke American fighter's they're all big and weight bully and boring to watch
@@mercurypluto7422 tru that👍
floyd is a ped cheat , 3 fail drug test and illegal i v , , google,,, floyd mayweather 3 fail drug test , and you will know why floyd settle his court case with manny ,and had paid manny pac a large disclosed amount of money to not to open his usada drug record to the public
He will be remembered for his legacy!!!!
We Love you Max!!
Max is the best!!!!
PAC Man pound 4 pound is the greatest
How?
yeah I agree. .he is top 5 in no particular order. .
Manny Pacquiao and Max Kellerman, these two legends make the boxing alive and entertaining.
Max Kellerman hands down the best boxing analyst on television today
When it comes to boxing Max knows what he taking about
If you go by "natural weight" please note that Evander Holyfield was beating fighters that weighted 100 lbs more than his 'natural weight". At 18 years old, Manny was 16 years old when he started, Holyfield was 147 lbs. He beat the maybe the hardest hitter ever in boxing.
Max witnessed the energy PAC - MAN IS LEGENDARY
PACQUIAO'S IMPOSSIBLE BOXING RESUME WILL NEVER BE REPEATED AGAIN.
This show was really good back in the day
to the people that think mayweather is better because of his record, he has been picking and choosing his opponents for a long time, thats not a valid argument. saying he is better because he won, lets not pretend that boxing has deep mafia ties to this day and has had fixed matches, through player and judges. manny was the winner in their fight that shouldve happened way sooner
People that think Mayweather is better, they don't know enough about boxing to have an opinion in the first place. People that look at their numbers to base an opinion about a boxer is not a true boxing fan.
@@jcwrior333 lmao what makes manny better than floyd? Floyd has a better resume beatvmote champions and beat 2 all time greats
I think Tiger Stripe and I have similar opinion on this. If you just summarily dismiss win and loss record along with the result of head-to head fight, what do you use to judge boxers with?
@@tigerstripe3170 context matters, the fact that floys has been cherry picking at the very least his last 20 opponents, one of which isnt even a boxer. the fact that manny has been a champion in 8 different weight classes is less likely to happen again than a 50-0 record, which other great fighters in the past have gone above and beyond that before eventually losing a single fight while having many many wins more. many fought anybody that challenged him, unlike floyd, so yes manny is better. and like i said, lets not pretend boxing doesnt have mafia ties through players and judges, manny was not the clear winner but surely performed the better in their head to head fight. so gtfoh with that regurgitated record nonsense you casual
@@davidmun1601 read my reply to tiger stripe, same thing applies
the only 8 div. champ. a boxer that will never be forgotten..
I still remember manny saying he thought he won the fight with floyd and max said in post interview "based on what" 🤣manny got mad!
Personally, I never liked Mayweather. But as a boxer, he was amazing. His style was very defensive so people did not like that, but defense is a part of boxing.
Mayweather ducked prime Pac and other prime Boxer that’s why he is not number one p4p
Yeah Mayweather ducked a younger fighter so he can magically get older than Floyd somehow. Stfu. Manny been losing since 20 years ago. Manny could never be Goat especially to some of the people that beat him like Jeff Horn.
@@Jorgito1121 They are about the same age. In fact, Pacquiao is younger by almost two years. If Pacquiao was not in his prime, neither was Mayweather.
@@KevinFlores-oi8sn to be fair most people thought manny beat Horn, i had him up on cards too but you never know with boxing. Bradley got an undeserved win on him too.
Thank you Max!
The greatest my eyes have seen, and will probably ever see! To me he is the GOAT.
This man understand boxing❤
Max talking bout basketball, football or baseball. That u can argue his point. But boxing???? Go sit down and just listen. If he says pacman is #2 p4p of all time… then so be it point, blank, period!!!!
LMAO he also thought Mosley and manny would beat floyd
Max knows boxing
N at the end of his career he wasn't boxing mma fighters with an 0-0 boxing record and Logan Paul...
Chavez sr fought a boxer with a record of 0-0 ali fought a wrestler
@@tigerstripe3170 he said "end of his career". Its ok to fight someone with 0-0 record in the beginning of their career but at the end of their careers they should be fighting fighters with a lot of experience already.
@@greenhornet5415 lmao do u even know when Chavez fought that boxer with the 0-0 record? Do your research
Max the only valid boxing critique who knows ball of the sports commentators 💯
PACMAN IS THE GREATEST TO EVER DO IT PERIOD.
I love this guy he spits facts
Only real boxing professionals can relate to max like us boxers
Not to those boxing fans they know nothing about the world of boxing
Well said Max 👍
FAXXX KELLERMEN IN HIS ELEMENT 🥶
FACTS OVER FEELINGS
HE KNOWS BOXING PERIOD. 🥊
Max is OG
Max is quite literally ESPNs only boxing authority I pay any mind too. He’s a historian of the sport as am I so I always like his perspectives !
PACQUIAO IS ONE OF THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. LEGEND FOREVER.
This is the kind of nonsense that’s said and goes unchecked because the cohost are uninformed. This is a nonsensical take that he does not back up with any legitimate points.
What nonsense?
@@tigerstripe3170maybe he is talking about the 8 division champion 😅😅😅
Manny's career speaks for itself, and if we're using the number of titles in weight divisions, its Manny hands down. The best P4P are Sugar ray Robinson, SRL, Manny, Duran and Floyd, PERIOD, though not necessarily in that order. The "order" is another much more complicated question
Max knows his boxing so no disagreements here .
Max never boxed in his life, I'll go with real boxers OPINIONS.
@@tankwhite.7036 well yea if they got real boxers talking then I rather listen to them 100%
Mr.kellerman is not a bias what he said is true that's why I love this guy
Is anyone going to be 8 division champ? Then rank him number one p4p of all time.
Guess oscar is second on the list then because he won it in 6 divisions? And guess we should start counting IBO and titles win at catchweights as legit titles as well?
@@tigerstripe3170 back it up with his dominance. Don’t think you can name any of these 6 division winners or any of these multiple winners that were dominant
5 lineal championships man, the smarter people get the less they’ll talk about Floyd years from now. Cuz all they’ll have is records. Sugar ray 201 fights , pac 108-154lbs - analytical minds will notice .
He is the one and only 8 division champ in boxing
Pac is simultaneously an ATG both in terms of his ability to move up in weight and his longevity. It's insane for a 41 year old former flyweight to beat an undefeated welterweight champ in Thurman.
A lot of those were catchweights...the Thurman fight was impressive
Well said !
Pac is the goat, when it comes to his greatness no one is even close, so stop ignoring that fact.
Pac Man had great fights, but he did get beat by Mayweather. Also, Mayweather did retire undefeated. Those two facts cannot be ignored.
@@davidmun1601 to me Floyd is really "The Best Ever" you know when it comes to skill and boxing iq he's unreal, but as I said when we talk about "GREATNESS" no one is even close to pacman's greatness, we'll never ever see someone accomplish what Pacquiao accomplished in boxing, his legacy and records wil forever live in boxing history.
@@xanderdiwa2996 I am not sure how to measure the "best" and "greatness". As an Asian, I want rank PacMan above Mayweather. As a human being, Mayweather is not a good person, and I have heard many good things about PacMan. However, this is a boxing discussion.
@@davidmun1601 to me "the best" and "the greatest" are 2 different things, I mean categories to qualify in those things might be the same, but skill and talent is factored more when you talk about "the best" and I think thats Floyd Mayweather, and when you talk about "the greatest" I think accomplishment and legacy is the main factor thas't just my opinion and sorry for my english I'm not that good at it, I'm a Filipino by the way.
@@xanderdiwa2996 You are doing great. I enjoy having these discussions because we are respectfully giving each other our views. I do have to agree with you if you are defining those terms in those ways. Personally, I cannot stand Mayweather, his boxing style, his life style etc. Anyway, it was great having these discussions with you. Take care.
Manny the 🐐🐐🐐 i really love max saying facts 100% true and got a really good point now thats a person who really knows boxing well his on of the best commentators in sport
He aint knocked no out in hella long most of those r old and Thurman got dropped but was coming off long absence tbe 💯tmt
Facts!
cos hes not a natural 147. Hes like a lightweight fighting in welter..
I Really wish he'd have a weekly boxing show
Max needs to get in the ring with Stephen so he can give him the business!
Max: "Let Marcus Spears get in the ring with Stephen A. and I'll promote the fight."
i agree 101%
What about Roy Jones Jr as a middle-weight? He was not a natural heavy-weight, but as a middle-weight, I thought he was the best pound for pound.
Roy and james toney went from middleweight to heavy, thats more impressive to me, they always get overlooked
@@sayd245 Their problem is that they never had that mega fight that people remember. As boxing fans, we know them very well, but to casual fans, unfortunately, not so much.
@@sayd245 Roy beat the weakest skilled heavyweight in the division at the time(Ruiz) still an impressive feat but that was his only fight at heavy. And Toney beat a few journey men and some washed up legends also still impressive coming from a guy who started as middle weight. Point is no one talks about it because they weren't game changers. Roy was one and done and JT never moved beyond contender in the heavy weights.
@@elijaharvinger8711 manny is a 8 division champion, 3 of them champions noone even knows, they were weak champions so keep that same energy and manny didnt beat number 1 at 147 which is floyd!
@@davidmun1601 Roy Jones vs Bernard Hopkins wasn’t a mega fight to you?
Pacquiao 🐐 in boxing
from flyweight to jr middleweight... and he became 8 division champ, i would say pac is the best p4p fighter of all time..
😂😂😂😂😂
Crazy how much max loves boxing absolutely loves talking about it you can tell
I remember when Pacquiao was the Pac Man Destroyer, and he was best the pound for pound fighter of all time. He was not the second best.
You know nothing about boxing, Mayweather was why better and fought better fighters at there natural weight not catch weight like Manny
Oh no. I saw it with my own eyes. He was Pac Man Destroyer and there will never be another.
@@michaeln.2383 He got destroyed vs Marquez😂😂😂😂😂
Almost all of his losses were late in his career. We would never say that Michael Jordan isn't the GOAT because he sucked with the Wizards.
@@michaeln.2383 Eric morales beat pacquaio some random dude beat pacquaio early as well and all of his fight with marquez were close as well
Max Kellerman knows everything and you can tell that his literally saying honest
Max hates floyd after their altercation he never gives him his flowers 🤣
Pound for pound
I think when both their careers concluded, it's hard to put Mayweather above Pacman.
@@cloj4754 For me, it is the opposite. I am not a fan of Mayweather, but he did retire undefeated. Cannot overlook that.
@@davidmun1601 no he didn't he lost some just not on paper. And defeats doesn't justify a career you sound like a noob.
@@davidmun1601 yeah no offence, but it sounds like you may not be an avid boxing fan. Defeats are part of the game, like any other sport, we can't go by statistics alone because they can be manipulated. What Floyd did is most definitely more than impressive and I'd say he's the greatest defensive fighter of all time that I know of for sure.
Max speaking facts! Love you max! Best boxing analyst since Bert Sugar. Im glad you're out of first take where you always have to take the losing side of the debate bcoz of stephen a
Pacman lost or got a draw at nearly every weight. This includes two loses at flyweight before he got to his 30th fight. Most of his fights were at welterweight, 10 years, so that's his natural weight. Floyd out boxed Manny, he mostly out quicked/smarted him, it wasn't like he used his naturally heavier build.
Valid points
I love max.
Let’s be real . Most of the boxers Manny had wars with Floyd would have toyed with
Except when you look at their actual common opponents and Manny KO'd/TKO'd guys that went the distance with Money. Styles make fights.
@@melvinsolaes what guys are you talking about. A washed up Oscar or a weight drained Cotto . Manny fought them both at a catch weight. Floyd fought them at their natural weight
@@myronsmith2114 Bobo. At their natural weight? Floyd KOed Hatton at WW. Is WW Hatton natural weight class? Cotto drained? That was the most dangerous fight in his prime years. And you forgot Pac moved 2 weight classes up to met up with DLH.
@@shinobiinu8426 Manny fought Hatton at 147 . Oscar went down from 160 to 145 to fight Manny. That’s 15 pounds. Manny only came up 7 pounds
@@shinobiinu8426 And when the fight with Manny was first announced Oscar weight was 168 so he lost 23 pounds in about 5 weeks. That was to much for a guy his age
Preach!
Manny not better than Floyd
Manny way way better than Floyd. Sugar ray way way way better than Floyd. 70 plus and 200 plus fights compared to 50. Please.
No one talks boxing better than Max.
I love sugar Robinson, pac man all of them. But floyd mayweather, honestly, his style, defence, work ethic and mindset. 1 in a millennium and is the best pound for pound ever
BRING BACK MAX PLZ 😭
we all knew floyd kept dodging pac until he was washed
Floyd was older then manny
@@pineappleribena6633 age has nothing to do about being washed, look at tom brady. wear & tear contributes more to it than age
@@pineappleribena6633 But better off than Manny. Floyd began purposely selecting his fights. Manny fought everybody and anybody
@@nattobaby so you are saying that floyd was a better older fighter then manny
@@pineappleribena6633 nah floyd was a smarter fighter than manny. floyd selected his fights. manny kept moving up well above his natural weight, thats a lot of strain on the body
I've followed Max to this show. I started watching First Take for SAS and Skip. Then I realized I was cool with SAS and rode the wave of him finding a host. Glad it wasn't Will Cain. Was extremely excited that MAX won out because I've been a fan since his Friday Night Fight days (huge boxing fan here). I watched First Take without fail for SAS and MAX. Now MAX left, I no longer feel the love for First Take that I once had. Probably because i know that SAS "wanted MAX off the show". I am not a SAS hater, but I realize he alone isn't the reason the show had been successful.
I prefer to listen to MAX and I enjoy the SKIP/SHANNON dynamic.
I see espn is cutting down the KJM clips and increasing the FT clips. so desparate
MAX IS ALWAYS "REACHING" W/PAC. I'D TAKE FLOYD'S CAREER OVER HIS ALL DAY!!!
Bet you don't know what p4p means?..
Smart man. Ppl act like Floyd isn't a 5 division champ himself. Most people don't even know most of the guys Pac fought to get belts in some of those weight classes. And Pacquiao lost in different weight classes, Floyd was never defeated and went all the way up to 154 when he was a 130 pounder
@@toolegit7668 NOT TO MENTION, $$$$ has fought more world champs than anybody!! I am not sure what "they" are looking@??? Floyd clearly has more skill-set than Pac??? WHAT DID HE DO WELL(in the ring)??? They coulda fought in day-care, in high school, on the corner....PAC wouldn't have beat him. I'LL TAKE A SKILLED BOXER over a "puncher" ANY DAY🥊🥊!! Giving Mayweather his flowers NOW!!!💐🌷💐
Ill take pac. Hes an icon. He has money too, even if not as much as Floyd. Floyd is only important to the black community. Pac is considered a hero in his country.
@Mandrake Dawgski Sounds like u are "trying" to tell ME what u feel like is "acceptable" for me to post(instead of just posting your F'n self)? PLEASE STOP.