A Sinister Six with only 5 quasi anti-heroes and no Spider-Man makes so much sense it's guaranteed bank. We're talking a multi-morbillion dollar franchise here.
this guy's videos kinda annoyed me a while ago but now I'm beginning to wonder if whatever he said that I didn't agree with was just sarcasm or something cause that bit was genuinely funny ngl 😂😂
Shoutout to the independent studios where their movies will never suffer from bad management like Marvel Studios, DC Studios or even someone like Austin McConnell who, as far as we know, actually respects the comic book characters he’s been making projects on even if they are public domain. Bottomline is, I’d support them over Warner Bros or Sony any day.
You're right-- I NEED Sony to make this Sinister Six movie. I also need them to call it "The Sinister Six" and only have those five members the team. Make a sinister six team with only five members and then say nothing about that detail in the movie. As a perfect little bow on their disaster movie.
The sinister six is more than just six random spider-man villains teaming up, they represent a very specific corner of spideys rogue gallery and Sony just want to replace it with their version of suicide squad
Seconded. Doctor Octopus represents the brains. Sandman represents the brawn. Mysterio represents the secretive side. Electro represents the raw power. Kraven represents the persistence. Vulture represents the fear factor. This is why the OG Six will always be the best Six.
@@928studiosinc06agreed although I don’t mind the common swap of rhino for sandman as the brawn, often the 6 aren’t sympathetic characters and instead criminal underworld scum and I think rhino works too. As for scorpion instead of kraven. But yeah it’s all characters from that criminal underworld of New York rather than spideys biggest and baddest villains - there’s a reason goblin, venom, carnage aren’t usually on the team
The Sinister Six are not just villains brought together by some higher up commander with a mission to defeat a bigger evil threat and save their world. They are all criminals who have a vendetta against Spider-Man for all the times they were put in prison cause of him. If Sinister Six was just Spider-Man(whether it was Tobey, Andrew, or Tom’s)fighting the group for a 2 hour long film, I wouldn’t be as upset. But they might not even include Spider-Man in this.
My second favorite line up is from the Spectacular Spider-Man, which consists of Doc Ock, Shocker, Electro, Rhino, Vulture, and Sandman. I don't know if I like Lizard as a part of the Six, because Curt is a sympathetic character.
I have a morbid interest in the "sonyverse", I'm surprised and almost impressed how irrationally comitted they are to getting to some unholy shamble of a sinister six movie.
Morbius could turn them all into vampires! and then Venom could generate new symbiotes for them! Then vulture can build them wings from alien tech that doesn't exist in this universe!
I would LOVE for the Sony Sinister Six movie to get all the way to theaters with everyone noting how there are only 5 members shown (1 of which is a hero, not even an anti- one like a few of the others), but we all speculate that they’ll reveal the sixth member in the movie. But then it comes out and no, no Sony just didn’t bother getting the count up to six.
"this year in movies is the year of flops... even good movies" YALL PLEASE GO WATCH OR RENT TRANSFORMERS ONE, it deserves so much more love and a sequel!!
@kuro5041 that's because the marketing team were idiots and decided to cut the trailer to look like a comedy movie. It has its levity but it's also a very serious movie with a tragic story and loads of heart.
The idea of Jared Letos Morbius, Dakota Johnsons Madame Web, Tom Hardy's venom, and Micheal Keatons vulture all sharing the same screen to fight Knull excites me more than any avengers movie could ever do
Tbh I kinda like the idea it's an "evil" avengers kinda team up film where they have to fight someone who's more of a threat than them. Also, aside from Madame Web, the other Sony marvel movies haven't been woke B.S. They're flawed, but they don't beat you over the head with the messaging.
@@BroughtCat Madame web isn’t a villain though… and the idea that these versions of Morbius and Venom are villains is hilarious! But we live in the weirdest timeline, so this movie that no one asked for is perfect for a Trump presidency
@@BroughtCat There are like 3 actual "evil" avengers team ups and most of them ACTUALLY makes sense. But it also makes sense that anyone running to "woke" as a criticism would have the media literacy skills and general taste of a moldy vegetable.
@@BroughtCatbro when did a single mcu film beat u over the head with "woke messaging", wtf does that even mean. The sony movies are shit, large chunks of the recent mcu has been shit, and thats it bro.
AVI ARAD has ruined so far... * Borderlands * Venom: The Last Dance * Daredevil (2003) * The Punisher (2004) * Elektra (2005) * Fantastic Four (2005) * X-Men: The Last Stand * Spider-Man 3 * Bratz (2007) * Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance * The Amazing Spider-Man 2 * Ghost in the Shell (2017) * Venom: Let There Be Carnage * Uncharted (2022) * Morbius And now he's gonna ruin... * Kraven the Hunter * Legend of Zelda * Naruto As long as Arad lives, there's no hope
I am actually so on board with the Agent Venom movie. I caught the reference in Last Dance also since Eddie was given a fresh start by the military. So we know the military is very interested in the symbioses. Agent Venom is one of my favorite characters!
OR… and hear me out: they should try their hand at sticking to animated movies. I know the third Spiderverse movie has been delayed over and over, but if they really double down on that form, they could make some hits.
i think they want something that they can make quick thats why they keep making live action stuff. spiderverse is good and making money but it took long time to make, and if they chose to make everything animated like that, its not good financial decision as well (yes i know they burning money with the live action films)
I really don't want that to happen. I'm guessing that Sony doesn't care all that much about the animated movies and I kind of hope it stays that way. Because if for some reason they finally get wise to the fact that the live action stuff isn't doing well, there's a good chance they will start using those Spider-verse movies more and more as the vehicle for their Sinister Six shared universe obsession and in my mind that can only lead to bad things for those movies.
Funny thing is, you can absolutely make great "Sinister Six, but it's five random C-listers" movie. Incredible "Superior Foes of Spider-Man" comic is literally this, just adapt it with small adjustments. Hire good crime comedy director, Shane Black-type, and this thing will basically write itself But of course, because it's Sony, they never do something actually interesting and good
James Gunn would nail it, no doubt. He could literally make a movie with Big Wheel and The Wall, it would still be a major blockbuster to rival even the MCU. Unfortunately that is a talent hard to find and keep running at Sony...
Making a Spider-Man Villain Universe where Spider-Man can’t actually appear in any of the movies with characters that depend heavily on Spider-Man is dumb.
What are you talking about? Knull is primarily a Venom villain not spiderman. The fact that people don't know that Venom has had his own run of comic without Spiderman for 2 decades. Out of all the hero fandoms Casual spiderman fans are the worse. Nothing but complaining about everything from casting to having other heroes team up to having "ground level movies " despite having 7 ground level movies and 5 movies with no other heroes.
@@andrewpearson3516But it's so lame that Sony, the one who have full rights of the Spider-Man character, can't even mention him in a movie of characters who depend on him to have minimal relevance (I understand the Venom point, I even like the movies even through they look like a mediocre Marvel movie from the 2000s like Ghost Rider and Elektra, but seriously... a Kraven movie without Spider-Man? A Madame Web movie where Peter is just a unnamed baby who has no relevance to the main story? I get it that Spider-Man fans can be really annoying lot of times, but that doesn't mean the Sony's "Spider-Man who never appear" Universe is a great idea)
I hope the Venom/Spider-Man crossover happens cause it’ll be so funny if after all these movies that make no sense exist without Spider-Man they integrate him in the one story that doesn’t need him
Sweet summer child. He's going to speak positive about any snd every upcoming spiderman movie...He's spiderman. The success of the franchise directly affects him.
He's an actor on contract to say nice things about the movies he's in. Don't be silly. I hope it's good too but what Tom Holland says has no bearing on that.
I'm feeling like the Sinister Six movie would be a Suicide Squad-esque movie where Silver Sable is the Amanda Waller-type and the others are the "villains."
Nando I NEED you to write a story for the sinister six movie I'd love to see your film pitch style on an utterly insane movie premise like this, I need to see what you'd do with a "not so sinister five fights knull" movie
The problem is that the head of Sony Pictures doesn't understand what works for a shared universe. They want to say they're in the MCU because one character (Venom) popped up in a Spider-Man movie, thus all Sony Marvel movies exist in this shared universe. I remember Amy Pascal asking Kevin Feige for help with TASM 2 and threw a fit because of Kevin's suggestions. And then that movie barely didn't do well in the long run. I hate to say it but I will. Just return Spider-man and all of his characters to Marvel.
A Venom movie... a Morbius movie... a Silver Sable movie... any of them could work if you hire talented, experienced creatives with passion for the source material and set them loose without a bunch of studio mandates to leave a space for some version of Spider-Man or other JUST IN CASE they finally get the okay to use him. I say bring back the guy from ASM or Joey Mange as Flash.
If Sony couldn't even get Venom right, the easiest character they could ever wish to bring to the screen, imagine any other smaller character. It's like DC trying to get something that isn't Batman right.
About your sinister Six rant: 1.Venom right now is dead,so he wouldn't be part of it; 2.The events of Madame Web happen in a different universe from the one the Venom movies and Morbius movie happen. 3.Without Madame Web and Venom in it,there are only 2 people left for the team(maybe 3 if the Silver Sable rumors are true). Those being Morbius and MCU Vulture.That means that it will be a long time until the Sinister six would team up(since there would only be 2 members right now). 4.When or if the Sinister Six movie happens,the villain dosent necessary has to be Knull. Saying that it would be Knull just because of you mentioning the Avengers And Thanos is a stretch. Venom 3 isn't even a team up movie for you to make that assumption.
It amazes me how committed Sony is to this. People could riot outside their offices demanding no more and they'd make like 3 more random Spider-Man spin-offs. I wish I could be a fly on the wall in that boardroom. We're talking major league incompetence here. They really announced a Jackpot movie like it meant anything to anybody
The Sonyverse producers looked at the end of the DCEU and said, “Let’s do everything they did, but with characters the general movie-going audience isn’t familiar with!”
I think it’s pretty safe to say that Foreigner in Kraven is only there either as a twist reveal for Chameleon or as a way to set up Chameleon since they both have disguises.
Fall Guy is a movie about a man getting back into a violently abusive relationship. The woman literally spends a whole scene physically torturing him for fun.
I have zero interest in seeing Tom Hardy Venom and Tom Holland Spidey meeting. There is no way the can write those two characters in their current states beefing without it feeling incredibly shit and forced. Eddie is already a 'good guy' so you've skipped to the end of the best dynamic between Spiderman and Venom already it just won't be good to watch.
I need like a solid 5 minute heart felt conversation between Madame Web and Morbius. I didn't KNOW I needed this but now I feel like there is a connection that would be impossible to ignore!
You should do one of your extended "pitch" videos for that Sinister Six concept because that was hilarious and I honestly doubt that Sony will make it or rather that they'd be able to get all of the actors to reprise their roles.
a Sliver and Black movie has a really easy premise if thinking about it for half a second, both characters are white women with silver hair, so a mistaken identity plot is pretty obvious. see if whoever wrote The Usual Suspects wants to write a Marvel movie like that
The Silver Sable thing isn't anything important. Before Absolute Carnage, if you got a symbiote, it meant something. Then Absolute Carnage made a point of highlighting everybody who had ever had a symbiote in Marvel comics history, and it seems that was largely so that they could have: 1. A multitude of Venom Spiderverse crossovers following that, where if your favorite character hasn't bonded with Venom in some sense in Marvel history, they have now - look, it's that universe over there. 2. What seems to, looking in, be a Spider Island event but for the Venom symbiote. So I'm like 99% certain that Silver Sable bonding with the Agony symbiote isn't really going to matter much after this event.
If Dakota Johnson shows up in another Sony Spider Movie I will watch it because THERE IS NO WAY ON PLANET EARTH she is coming back unless it is REALLY good
knull have an amazing potential for a great villain. He have amazing story, that can connect heroes like eternals, Guardians, Thor etc. in very organic way. They just need to take their time to make it properly
i don’t understand why they are so focused on making a spiderman cinematic universe that doesn’t even feature spider man. honestly it’s so easy to just make a spider man series of movies and just have spin offs about venom, green goblin, etc that are CONNECTED to the spider man movies.
Because they love money. And because they think if they manage to make one of those movies a smash hit then Feige will allow them to play with the big boys.
Because they're fully convinced they can wiggle their way into the MCU that way. Look at the retconning the last Venom movie had to do when the second one hilariously failed at invading the MCU. It's glorious. Sony has no interest in making a successful cinematic universe of their own. They just want that MCU money.
@levischorpioen This is an astounding reality denial considering the facts. Sony is trying to build their Spider-verse since Amazing Spider-man era and that was proven by the Sony hacks. Many of their current projects proove those leaks. Sony is still hoping and still trying to build their own Spider-man centred cinematic universe.
Wow, the Foreigner came back at some point?! I remember reading him in the 80s, was a really cool character (if a bit one note, was basically Marvels' James Bond), always wanted him to come back...will have to track down his appearances now!
I don't want any of Sony's garbage to touch the MCU Spidey. They finally got Tom Holland's SM to a place where they could get back to basics and tell some cool stories just about him. We don't need any interference from Sony's awful mess. They can keep burning money until they realise their stupidity.
Agent Venom could work if it’s the same arrangement as with Holland Spider-Man. Marvel makes a Venom movie for Sony. After all if you’re making a Venom solo flick, Agent Venom is the version to adapt. It can pick up from the bit of symbiote that was left in 616 MCU. Government gets it and starts the Agent Venom program. Make it Flash Thompson (if they’re brave enough) or someone else. This version could even get that Tom Holland cameo Sony wants.
It’s amazing how much Sony has consistently been putting out stinker after stinker, and they actually think anything more than a street level Spider-Man movie is necessary. I had hope they would maybe stick to that idea, but it’s clear they just see dollar signs
If Nando actually bought out a theater, that would be the only way I would consider seeing a Sinister Six. Crazy that Leto is just as big of a villain in real life as he was in Morbius.
I can't stress this enough. My TV isn't that large, but it's as good as a theater screen. I can pause movies at home, I can drink a beer, I can bring my own snacks at home. Movie Theatres just ain't it.
I think what they could do with the knull set up is an animated venomverse film trilogy. It might have similar success just like their spider-verse films. Considering that the comic has a team of venom with different hosts from different universe teaming up to take on these poison things that are deadly to them. Make the first film that and build up to knull or make the first film like a tales of the venomverse anthology film and have knull somewhat like the crypt keeper, narrorating and observing the multiverse for venoms to consume. Building up these venom characters and then have knull send out one poison to collect these selected targets kinda like terminator but for venoms and set up this poison thing as a prominent threat by hunting, killing,, and eating tom Hardy's venom. Establishing that this thing does not mess around. Have the venom team be lead by flash Thompson's agent venom or gwenom to have it slightly tie in with spider-verse and you got a banger on your hands. That sounds interesting and something I'd be down to see, but I just know that Sony is gonna f#$& that up some how. Going by their film track record and how much they interfere in projects. They are absolute garbage doo doo water and no one is interested in Spider-Man villain movies without Spider-Man. Whoever came up with that idea needs to be fired asap and administered to electro shock therapy stat. They should just sell to marvel, but they won't because it's their only cash cow. Nothing they've had a hand in making outside of Spider-Man has been successful. They need to just stick to making electronics. People aren't buying their crappy movies anymore. By everything that is sacred and holy, Just make it stop! No one wants a kraven movie where he's bit by lion and gains lion power! No one wants a silver Sable movie where she's cut by a silver butter knife and gains silver powers! And no one wants Spiderman movies without spiderman!!! 😱😬🤦
The sinister six have five characters top, and madame web is always annoying spiderman, but a villain she's not. Venom is dead isn't he? And then there were 3 Vulture doesn't even know who's who And then there's just 2 Morbius is a laughing stock, kraven hasn't even come out So reliable actors and characters? Then there were none...
Hey Nando, if that movie ever comes out, I wanna see you streaming Marvel Snap with a Venom/Morbius/Vulture/Kraven/Madame Web deck, throw Knull in for good measure.
I love how folks think Knull can work as some Thanos level villain. Are people aware that even in the comics, Knull had no personality and barely did anything?
I have hated every marvel movie since Infinity war, with exception of spider man, but, to be honest, the Kraven movie looks like it has potential to be a decent stand alone movie. I saw the trailer in theaters and it looked to be a decent soldier/spy/war type action movie, but that’s probably because they didn’t mention anything at ALL about Venom or Madame web or Sony characters at all. The whole focus of the trailer was Kraven’s dad passing down the torch to him, and passing on the mantle of the Hunter. I almost didn’t catch that it was a Kraven trailer until the title card at the end but I had a hunch it was that. And they put the Marvel logo really small in the corner of the release date screen at the end. Although, I’m sure that the trailer being so separated from the Sony-verse, is a last ditch effort to trick people into thinking it wasn’t related to Spider-Man. Who knows
Pointing out that getting all the main actors to reprise their roles is next to impossible never dawned on me before, but makes perfect sense. No shot they get them all back
inb4 sony's sinister six has three spider-men, vulture, venom and morbius and madame web is their gal in the chair "b-but they're not 6" and three of them are spideys, we can probably make this even dumber if we try
A Sinister Six with only 5 quasi anti-heroes and no Spider-Man makes so much sense it's guaranteed bank. We're talking a multi-morbillion dollar franchise here.
I will now always use "morbillion" as a word describing a vast number, rather than "gazillion".
It’s guaranteed to make a Brazilian dollars! 🤣
Everyone knows Sony is only after the morbillions of dollars from their films
😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀
Feels like you're talking to a dog now.
"Sony! SONY!! Drop it! Drooooop it. You drop that right now!"
I can "hear" you in my head😂that was good!
*Sony does the thing anyway*
Bad Sony!
Nando: “come ON! Make it, I’m here! MaAake it!! CoOome ON! Make it - dooo it NOW!!!”
If its bleed money we can make it- sony@@hellfish2309
I know dogs who are so much smarter than Sony 😂
I love how Nando is pitching the worst possible sinister six film as the best possible scenario for Sony
Reverse psychology 😂
It's pure kino really.
If they're going to go down in flames they might as well go out with a bang instead of a flicker
this guy's videos kinda annoyed me a while ago but now I'm beginning to wonder if whatever he said that I didn't agree with was just sarcasm or something cause that bit was genuinely funny ngl 😂😂
Main reason why I stopped watching Nando's videos😂
Sony has done so much damage to the marvel IP its comical
Heh comic cal
#IBlameAviArad
Shoutout to the independent studios where their movies will never suffer from bad management like Marvel Studios, DC Studios or even someone like Austin McConnell who, as far as we know, actually respects the comic book characters he’s been making projects on even if they are public domain. Bottomline is, I’d support them over Warner Bros or Sony any day.
I think the MCU did that first.
Because everyone associates Sony's movies with everything Marvel?
Saying “threatening” when referring to them saying they are gonna make a s6 movie for years is so fucking hilarious
You're right-- I NEED Sony to make this Sinister Six movie. I also need them to call it "The Sinister Six" and only have those five members the team. Make a sinister six team with only five members and then say nothing about that detail in the movie. As a perfect little bow on their disaster movie.
The sixth member is the executive who greenlit it. At the end of the movie, he shows up, and the audience has to fight him to leave
The sinister six is more than just six random spider-man villains teaming up, they represent a very specific corner of spideys rogue gallery and Sony just want to replace it with their version of suicide squad
Seconded. Doctor Octopus represents the brains. Sandman represents the brawn. Mysterio represents the secretive side. Electro represents the raw power. Kraven represents the persistence. Vulture represents the fear factor.
This is why the OG Six will always be the best Six.
@@928studiosinc06agreed although I don’t mind the common swap of rhino for sandman as the brawn, often the 6 aren’t sympathetic characters and instead criminal underworld scum and I think rhino works too. As for scorpion instead of kraven. But yeah it’s all characters from that criminal underworld of New York rather than spideys biggest and baddest villains - there’s a reason goblin, venom, carnage aren’t usually on the team
And lizard is the beast of burden they use sometimes
The Sinister Six are not just villains brought together by some higher up commander with a mission to defeat a bigger evil threat and save their world. They are all criminals who have a vendetta against Spider-Man for all the times they were put in prison cause of him. If Sinister Six was just Spider-Man(whether it was Tobey, Andrew, or Tom’s)fighting the group for a 2 hour long film, I wouldn’t be as upset. But they might not even include Spider-Man in this.
My second favorite line up is from the Spectacular Spider-Man, which consists of Doc Ock, Shocker, Electro, Rhino, Vulture, and Sandman. I don't know if I like Lizard as a part of the Six, because Curt is a sympathetic character.
I have a morbid interest in the "sonyverse", I'm surprised and almost impressed how irrationally comitted they are to getting to some unholy shamble of a sinister six movie.
Ha morbid
Morbidius
Who hurt you? 😔😔
It’s morbid time!
@@jacobsims8307Sony
The way Nando said "go fight Knull in SPACE" had me cackling
For me it was the "cant open the Pepsi cans"
the sixth member will clearly be Paul Giamatti as The Rhino
YES!
Sony really saw how FOX handled their Marvel projects, and said "Hold my Beer"
Venom could totally shout "It's Morbin' time!".
Morbius could turn them all into vampires! and then Venom could generate new symbiotes for them! Then vulture can build them wings from alien tech that doesn't exist in this universe!
I would LOVE for the Sony Sinister Six movie to get all the way to theaters with everyone noting how there are only 5 members shown (1 of which is a hero, not even an anti- one like a few of the others), but we all speculate that they’ll reveal the sixth member in the movie. But then it comes out and no, no Sony just didn’t bother getting the count up to six.
I would not be surprised if they called the movie, “Insidious Six” 😂
9:00 nah I think Bully Maguire should be the villain in this Sinister Six movie. Then they can call the movie “Sinister Six: Now Dig On This”
"this year in movies is the year of flops... even good movies" YALL PLEASE GO WATCH OR RENT TRANSFORMERS ONE, it deserves so much more love and a sequel!!
I was about to say this
Just looks too childish for me tbh
@kuro5041 that's because the marketing team were idiots and decided to cut the trailer to look like a comedy movie. It has its levity but it's also a very serious movie with a tragic story and loads of heart.
its not that good
@@kuro5041it's actually not. The trailers just lied after the first 20 minutes it gets serious.
when it comes to cultural impact, SONY has their finger on the pulse of queen Elizabeth
The idea of Jared Letos Morbius, Dakota Johnsons Madame Web, Tom Hardy's venom, and Micheal Keatons vulture all sharing the same screen to fight Knull excites me more than any avengers movie could ever do
Tbh I kinda like the idea it's an "evil" avengers kinda team up film where they have to fight someone who's more of a threat than them.
Also, aside from Madame Web, the other Sony marvel movies haven't been woke B.S.
They're flawed, but they don't beat you over the head with the messaging.
Fuck Yeah.
@@BroughtCat Madame web isn’t a villain though… and the idea that these versions of Morbius and Venom are villains is hilarious! But we live in the weirdest timeline, so this movie that no one asked for is perfect for a Trump presidency
@@BroughtCat There are like 3 actual "evil" avengers team ups and most of them ACTUALLY makes sense. But it also makes sense that anyone running to "woke" as a criticism would have the media literacy skills and general taste of a moldy vegetable.
@@BroughtCatbro when did a single mcu film beat u over the head with "woke messaging", wtf does that even mean. The sony movies are shit, large chunks of the recent mcu has been shit, and thats it bro.
El Muerto being the missing member of the sinister six movie? Because Sony
El Muerto fighting Knull.... In Space!
AVI ARAD has ruined so far...
* Borderlands
* Venom: The Last Dance
* Daredevil (2003)
* The Punisher (2004)
* Elektra (2005)
* Fantastic Four (2005)
* X-Men: The Last Stand
* Spider-Man 3
* Bratz (2007)
* Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
* The Amazing Spider-Man 2
* Ghost in the Shell (2017)
* Venom: Let There Be Carnage
* Uncharted (2022)
* Morbius
And now he's gonna ruin...
* Kraven the Hunter
* Legend of Zelda
* Naruto
As long as Arad lives, there's no hope
Avi Arad is not working on the Zelda movie….at least i hope not
You can add Mass Effect to that list as well...
It's crazy how someone whos that incompetent with that many flops under his belt can stay just because he makes money
He’s former idf too so like actually a murderer
Did you just copy and this comment from the Hitop films venom review
I am actually so on board with the Agent Venom movie. I caught the reference in Last Dance also since Eddie was given a fresh start by the military. So we know the military is very interested in the symbioses. Agent Venom is one of my favorite characters!
I'm not sure it will be good though
OR… and hear me out: they should try their hand at sticking to animated movies. I know the third Spiderverse movie has been delayed over and over, but if they really double down on that form, they could make some hits.
Do the dc thing. Crank out solid animated movies. And periodically a tolerable, once viewed, live action film.
i think they want something that they can make quick thats why they keep making live action stuff. spiderverse is good and making money but it took long time to make, and if they chose to make everything animated like that, its not good financial decision as well (yes i know they burning money with the live action films)
If only they invested as much time and effort into the live-action department as the animated one... maybe we could actually have decent movies.
I really don't want that to happen. I'm guessing that Sony doesn't care all that much about the animated movies and I kind of hope it stays that way. Because if for some reason they finally get wise to the fact that the live action stuff isn't doing well, there's a good chance they will start using those Spider-verse movies more and more as the vehicle for their Sinister Six shared universe obsession and in my mind that can only lead to bad things for those movies.
Funny thing is, you can absolutely make great "Sinister Six, but it's five random C-listers" movie. Incredible "Superior Foes of Spider-Man" comic is literally this, just adapt it with small adjustments. Hire good crime comedy director, Shane Black-type, and this thing will basically write itself
But of course, because it's Sony, they never do something actually interesting and good
James Gunn would nail it, no doubt. He could literally make a movie with Big Wheel and The Wall, it would still be a major blockbuster to rival even the MCU. Unfortunately that is a talent hard to find and keep running at Sony...
Making a Spider-Man Villain Universe where Spider-Man can’t actually appear in any of the movies with characters that depend heavily on Spider-Man is dumb.
What are you talking about? Knull is primarily a Venom villain not spiderman. The fact that people don't know that Venom has had his own run of comic without Spiderman for 2 decades. Out of all the hero fandoms Casual spiderman fans are the worse. Nothing but complaining about everything from casting to having other heroes team up to having "ground level movies " despite having 7 ground level movies and 5 movies with no other heroes.
@@andrewpearson3516But it's so lame that Sony, the one who have full rights of the Spider-Man character, can't even mention him in a movie of characters who depend on him to have minimal relevance (I understand the Venom point, I even like the movies even through they look like a mediocre Marvel movie from the 2000s like Ghost Rider and Elektra, but seriously... a Kraven movie without Spider-Man? A Madame Web movie where Peter is just a unnamed baby who has no relevance to the main story?
I get it that Spider-Man fans can be really annoying lot of times, but that doesn't mean the Sony's "Spider-Man who never appear" Universe is a great idea)
Only the Spider-Noir show can save us now 😭🙏🏼
I hope the Venom/Spider-Man crossover happens cause it’ll be so funny if after all these movies that make no sense exist without Spider-Man they integrate him in the one story that doesn’t need him
Counterpoint: Do it, Sony. Do it.
It'll make so much money. We'll all go five times
Tom Holland seems genuinely enthusiastic about the script for Spider-man 4 which gives me hope.
Yes… I agree and noticed he said that… 🤞🏽
Sweet summer child. He's going to speak positive about any snd every upcoming spiderman movie...He's spiderman. The success of the franchise directly affects him.
He's an actor on contract to say nice things about the movies he's in. Don't be silly. I hope it's good too but what Tom Holland says has no bearing on that.
It'd be hilarious if Kraven ends up being a critical and box office darling
9:05 I f**king LOVE this channel! The way you do what you do is endlessly entertaining 😂😂😂
I'm feeling like the Sinister Six movie would be a Suicide Squad-esque movie where Silver Sable is the Amanda Waller-type and the others are the "villains."
I’m tired of world ending stakes in comic book movies.
“Sony! 🎶 Put that thing back where it came from or so help me…!🎵”
“It’s not Morbime, or Morbiyou, it’s Morbius”.
Disney: My child will make a cinematic universe where every film can stand on its own and lead to an epic finale.
Sony: Morb
I like how Sony has so many ideas for this Spider-Man universe, and none of them assumes making good movies
Nando I NEED you to write a story for the sinister six movie I'd love to see your film pitch style on an utterly insane movie premise like this, I need to see what you'd do with a "not so sinister five fights knull" movie
The problem is that the head of Sony Pictures doesn't understand what works for a shared universe. They want to say they're in the MCU because one character (Venom) popped up in a Spider-Man movie, thus all Sony Marvel movies exist in this shared universe. I remember Amy Pascal asking Kevin Feige for help with TASM 2 and threw a fit because of Kevin's suggestions. And then that movie barely didn't do well in the long run. I hate to say it but I will. Just return Spider-man and all of his characters to Marvel.
They're so dumb they dont even know they can establish spiderverse as their own sonyverse
I love that you say they're "threatening" us with movies hahaha
A Venom movie... a Morbius movie... a Silver Sable movie... any of them could work if you hire talented, experienced creatives with passion for the source material and set them loose without a bunch of studio mandates to leave a space for some version of Spider-Man or other JUST IN CASE they finally get the okay to use him.
I say bring back the guy from ASM or Joey Mange as Flash.
Wait...Joe Mangianello as Agent Venom would be kinda lit.
@SB0083 It'd be fire, dawg.
Do it, Sony. Nando dares you.
Guys, can we all agree to pirate these movies so Sony gains no money from them and stops making them?
“Snaps” yes
Black Tarantula is a Spider-Man villain that has a ton of potential in a solo movie
If Sony couldn't even get Venom right, the easiest character they could ever wish to bring to the screen, imagine any other smaller character. It's like DC trying to get something that isn't Batman right.
About your sinister Six rant:
1.Venom right now is dead,so he wouldn't be part of it;
2.The events of Madame Web happen in a different universe from the one the Venom movies and Morbius movie happen.
3.Without Madame Web and Venom in it,there are only 2 people left for the team(maybe 3 if the Silver Sable rumors are true). Those being Morbius and MCU Vulture.That means that it will be a long time until the Sinister six would team up(since there would only be 2 members right now).
4.When or if the Sinister Six movie happens,the villain dosent necessary has to be Knull.
Saying that it would be Knull just because of you mentioning the Avengers And Thanos is a stretch.
Venom 3 isn't even a team up movie for you to make that assumption.
And I thought The Amazing Spider Man 2 was a bad movie enough to set up the Sinister Six, boy was I wrong after seeing this 😅
#IBlameAviArad
I missed when we were right lol
I’m just waiting on Disney to give Sony an offer they can’t decline 😭
It amazes me how committed Sony is to this. People could riot outside their offices demanding no more and they'd make like 3 more random Spider-Man spin-offs. I wish I could be a fly on the wall in that boardroom. We're talking major league incompetence here.
They really announced a Jackpot movie like it meant anything to anybody
The Sonyverse producers looked at the end of the DCEU and said, “Let’s do everything they did, but with characters the general movie-going audience isn’t familiar with!”
I think it’s pretty safe to say that Foreigner in Kraven is only there either as a twist reveal for Chameleon or as a way to set up Chameleon since they both have disguises.
Fall Guy is a movie about a man getting back into a violently abusive relationship. The woman literally spends a whole scene physically torturing him for fun.
The age of the superhero is over
I have zero interest in seeing Tom Hardy Venom and Tom Holland Spidey meeting. There is no way the can write those two characters in their current states beefing without it feeling incredibly shit and forced. Eddie is already a 'good guy' so you've skipped to the end of the best dynamic between Spiderman and Venom already it just won't be good to watch.
I need like a solid 5 minute heart felt conversation between Madame Web and Morbius. I didn't KNOW I needed this but now I feel like there is a connection that would be impossible to ignore!
You should do one of your extended "pitch" videos for that Sinister Six concept because that was hilarious and I honestly doubt that Sony will make it or rather that they'd be able to get all of the actors to reprise their roles.
Sony really just keeps proving that they don't deserve the Spider-Man IP.
a Sliver and Black movie has a really easy premise if thinking about it for half a second, both characters are white women with silver hair, so a mistaken identity plot is pretty obvious. see if whoever wrote The Usual Suspects wants to write a Marvel movie like that
The Silver Sable thing isn't anything important.
Before Absolute Carnage, if you got a symbiote, it meant something. Then Absolute Carnage made a point of highlighting everybody who had ever had a symbiote in Marvel comics history, and it seems that was largely so that they could have:
1. A multitude of Venom Spiderverse crossovers following that, where if your favorite character hasn't bonded with Venom in some sense in Marvel history, they have now - look, it's that universe over there.
2. What seems to, looking in, be a Spider Island event but for the Venom symbiote.
So I'm like 99% certain that Silver Sable bonding with the Agony symbiote isn't really going to matter much after this event.
If Dakota Johnson shows up in another Sony Spider Movie I will watch it because THERE IS NO WAY ON PLANET EARTH she is coming back unless it is REALLY good
Knull isn't even a Spider-Man Villain, he's Venom's.
6:11 don't forget Rhino from the kraven movie
4:25 or audiences are spending a larger proportion of their income on basic necessities
2:07 I agree. It can be the focus on some fanfiction but ...
Ok but that insidious jump scare WAS SO UNFAIR! Came outta nowhere 😭
Madam Web wont be in it.
Dakota fired her agent when they got her that role.
I highly doubt shes so eager to play it again
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Can't believe Nando forgot about everyone's famous sinister six member El Muerto
knull have an amazing potential for a great villain. He have amazing story, that can connect heroes like eternals, Guardians, Thor etc. in very organic way. They just need to take their time to make it properly
i don’t understand why they are so focused on making a spiderman cinematic universe that doesn’t even feature spider man. honestly it’s so easy to just make a spider man series of movies and just have spin offs about venom, green goblin, etc that are CONNECTED to the spider man movies.
Because they love money. And because they think if they manage to make one of those movies a smash hit then Feige will allow them to play with the big boys.
Because they're fully convinced they can wiggle their way into the MCU that way. Look at the retconning the last Venom movie had to do when the second one hilariously failed at invading the MCU. It's glorious. Sony has no interest in making a successful cinematic universe of their own. They just want that MCU money.
@levischorpioen This is an astounding reality denial considering the facts. Sony is trying to build their Spider-verse since Amazing Spider-man era and that was proven by the Sony hacks. Many of their current projects proove those leaks.
Sony is still hoping and still trying to build their own Spider-man centred cinematic universe.
Wow, the Foreigner came back at some point?! I remember reading him in the 80s, was a really cool character (if a bit one note, was basically Marvels' James Bond), always wanted him to come back...will have to track down his appearances now!
I don't want any of Sony's garbage to touch the MCU Spidey. They finally got Tom Holland's SM to a place where they could get back to basics and tell some cool stories just about him. We don't need any interference from Sony's awful mess. They can keep burning money until they realise their stupidity.
But it’s such a bad idea built on such a poorly based foundation… SONY WILL MAKE IT SO!!!
You know it's bad when someone's begging Sony to make another movie just to point and laugh at.
You’re basically pitching a Madame Webb 2 and I love that
Agent Venom is awesome. The Venom space knight storyline is my favorite.
Sony still thinking they have the goodwill from the Raimi movies.
A lot of us only like them for Spider-Verse now.
I adore the idea of renting out a theater to MST3K the heck out of the Sinister Six movie.
Agent Venom could work if it’s the same arrangement as with Holland Spider-Man. Marvel makes a Venom movie for Sony. After all if you’re making a Venom solo flick, Agent Venom is the version to adapt. It can pick up from the bit of symbiote that was left in 616 MCU. Government gets it and starts the Agent Venom program. Make it Flash Thompson (if they’re brave enough) or someone else. This version could even get that Tom Holland cameo Sony wants.
It’s amazing how much Sony has consistently been putting out stinker after stinker, and they actually think anything more than a street level Spider-Man movie is necessary. I had hope they would maybe stick to that idea, but it’s clear they just see dollar signs
It look like you were doing VO for Keaton’s Vulture there for a sec😂😂😂
I do want this actually. I need the king in black on screen.
If Nando actually bought out a theater, that would be the only way I would consider seeing a Sinister Six. Crazy that Leto is just as big of a villain in real life as he was in Morbius.
I can't stress this enough. My TV isn't that large, but it's as good as a theater screen. I can pause movies at home, I can drink a beer, I can bring my own snacks at home. Movie Theatres just ain't it.
I think what they could do with the knull set up is an animated venomverse film trilogy. It might have similar success just like their spider-verse films. Considering that the comic has a team of venom with different hosts from different universe teaming up to take on these poison things that are deadly to them. Make the first film that and build up to knull or make the first film like a tales of the venomverse anthology film and have knull somewhat like the crypt keeper, narrorating and observing the multiverse for venoms to consume. Building up these venom characters and then have knull send out one poison to collect these selected targets kinda like terminator but for venoms and set up this poison thing as a prominent threat by hunting, killing,, and eating tom Hardy's venom. Establishing that this thing does not mess around. Have the venom team be lead by flash Thompson's agent venom or gwenom to have it slightly tie in with spider-verse and you got a banger on your hands. That sounds interesting and something I'd be down to see, but I just know that Sony is gonna f#$& that up some how. Going by their film track record and how much they interfere in projects. They are absolute garbage doo doo water and no one is interested in Spider-Man villain movies without Spider-Man. Whoever came up with that idea needs to be fired asap and administered to electro shock therapy stat. They should just sell to marvel, but they won't because it's their only cash cow. Nothing they've had a hand in making outside of Spider-Man has been successful. They need to just stick to making electronics. People aren't buying their crappy movies anymore. By everything that is sacred and holy, Just make it stop! No one wants a kraven movie where he's bit by lion and gains lion power! No one wants a silver Sable movie where she's cut by a silver butter knife and gains silver powers! And no one wants Spiderman movies without spiderman!!! 😱😬🤦
Most of these rumors, including the Silver Sable, are 1s that have been circulating since before ASM 2 released
At this point there is NO way Venom will be in the next Spider-Man if they keep avoiding any connection with him in the Venom movies
Sony wants to make Agent Venom be their Captain America.
Part of me wants them to so they go bankrupt and then their forced to sell the spider man rights to Marvel finally
The sinister six have five characters top,
and madame web is always annoying spiderman, but a villain she's not.
Venom is dead isn't he?
And then there were 3
Vulture doesn't even know who's who
And then there's just 2
Morbius is a laughing stock, kraven hasn't even come out
So reliable actors and characters? Then there were none...
Agent Venom is probably my third favorite Venom story after the Lethal Protector and King in Black runs. I do not want an Agent Venom movie from Sony.
Sony should just get rid of Avi Arad and put Phil Lord and Chris Miller in charge
They're the only ones that know what they're doing
As long as they take a class on workplace etiquette.
Hey Nando, if that movie ever comes out, I wanna see you streaming Marvel Snap with a Venom/Morbius/Vulture/Kraven/Madame Web deck, throw Knull in for good measure.
"I'm feeling sinister my six"-Morb Man
I loved the last dance very much
I hype up Nando to my gf all the time. Cool guy.
I love how folks think Knull can work as some Thanos level villain.
Are people aware that even in the comics, Knull had no personality and barely did anything?
I have hated every marvel movie since Infinity war, with exception of spider man, but, to be honest, the Kraven movie looks like it has potential to be a decent stand alone movie. I saw the trailer in theaters and it looked to be a decent soldier/spy/war type action movie, but that’s probably because they didn’t mention anything at ALL about Venom or Madame web or Sony characters at all. The whole focus of the trailer was Kraven’s dad passing down the torch to him, and passing on the mantle of the Hunter. I almost didn’t catch that it was a Kraven trailer until the title card at the end but I had a hunch it was that. And they put the Marvel logo really small in the corner of the release date screen at the end.
Although, I’m sure that the trailer being so separated from the Sony-verse, is a last ditch effort to trick people into thinking it wasn’t related to Spider-Man. Who knows
Please talk about Spider-Man Noir!!!!!
Pointing out that getting all the main actors to reprise their roles is next to impossible never dawned on me before, but makes perfect sense. No shot they get them all back
inb4 sony's sinister six has three spider-men, vulture, venom and morbius and madame web is their gal in the chair
"b-but they're not 6" and three of them are spideys, we can probably make this even dumber if we try
...does everyone eventually get a symbiote in the Spiderman universe?
You know what Sony, go for it. Let's see what happens.