It's weird none of the Twitter mob sees the irony in Summoning Insight being one of the few places willing to let Laure do something she's clearly passionate about: just talk about the game. Her tweet supports this. Her first time on was a treat and surprise for everyone, but the greater league media space didn't do much with the new found knowledge that she's good on talk shows. It's insane, really: literal "most misogynist" man in esport twice like the only one down to just talk with Laure about league.
isnt it crazy, that he even asked for froskurinn to be back at the analysis desk. He makes fun of her behaviour, calls her fros-karen and everything, but he still aknowledges that she is missing from league broadcast. he also gave karen moser a plattform when noone else wanted to.
Respect to Laure for coming on. Love it when figures like her get a platform like this to speak, if only the boneheads on Reddit/Twitter actually listened to this instead of just blindly hating
i will stop buying skins, tft content literally everything from riot if anyone from the riot employes get into trouble because of this this (SI, Best Damn League Show, and many others) has been the best, most entertaining, most informative content in this industry for years now and we need such independent source ill be honest these esports shows are the only reason that im following LoL esports at all, because monte and thorin have not only good takes but are the best at creating or rather said seeing the most interesting narratives about players carreers and the teams historic context to where they are or where they could be All Hail the Last Free Nation !
@@dwasdasdasdads You should stop buying anything from Riot because they are a chinese owned, sexist, monopolistic and control-focussed company that makes way too much money anyway.
Legit. IWD is the reason I am an LPL fan. He is doing so much for the LPL English broadcast and the LPL broadcast doesn't treat him like shit like when he was asked to cast or them bringing him up in broadcast from time to time. I end up liking the LPL product so much that even if Dom couldn't costream for the day, I would still pull up the LPL stream on youtube and watch the official cast because it is a good product and IWD brought the exposure for it.
Dagda hits me as a very cool and likeable guy, but MAN the LPL english broadcast production is amateur level. I watch LCK and even in season 3 the OGN production was better
Twitter be like: You‘re a misogynist because you party with Andrew Tate. I‘m a misogynist because I tell women on which podcasts they aren‘t allowed to appear. We‘re not the same.
i mean i kind of know what you mean but i think they will purely talk about the games at worlds and the tournament itself im sure thorin and monte dont want to get her into trouble anyway
@@jhshshebejdkfjfjrnrkr3397 her saying he didn’t have any expectations from EU at worlds is definitely an interesting take. Most people on EU broadcast would have said rouge would win worlds especially after week 1
@@OMAR-vk9pi Tweets are deleted now, but it was basically saying, "How can you go on his podcast and support Thorin because he is misogynist." There are two deleted tweets from SpaceGhost that goes somewhere along the lines of, "How can anyone female go on summoning insight after Thorin literally blocked almost every woman in esports/ the gaming scene. What a nightmare." "How can you go on Summoning Insight as a fellow woman in League of Legends esports broadcast after Thorin put me and my HUSBAND on blast for ..." The rest of that tweet was about a complication from an abortion, with a picture of a tweet of Thorin tweeting about some guy being a bum for begging for money online.
The way Laure had to react due to the backlash of being on here just goes to show how little Riot does to protect employees. You don't see this same type of reaction when people interact with Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith, who no doubt are even more hated than Thorin or Monte.
She mentioned in the video she is freelance. Regardless, I doubt they would do anything to protect their employees other than just not let them go on third-party content in the first place...
How would Riot protect her from social media(as I suppose the backlash) you are talking about happened on social media. How does ESPN protect Skip and SAS exactly ? Genuine questions
@@jasoncangy6535 It's not about protecting Laure from social media drama, it's about job security. Skip and SAS don't have to fear saying something wild and losing their job over it (Of course their is a line somewhere but they've never crossed it.)
Love this, you can really see how Laure engages in the conversation more than so many other guests AND enjoys talking about league, I've wanted to see something like this for a while as she doesn't often get the opportunity on LEC. Definitely the kind of person I'd want to see regularly on LFN not just to interview but give her thoughts too.
Love laure, always happy to see her given a platform to shine. It's crazy that people are trying to shame her for doing this show. Thorin may be incredibly annoying and pompous sometimes but he's nothing like the Andrew Tate guy and to compare the two is so unbelievably stupid and harmful.
its so funny cause its always the same people complaining. One girl who has spent years trying to break into esports was flaming her saying that "women in esport don't need clout from thorin" yet she hasn't achieved anything by herself for years except admitting to being a stripper and complaining that no one will hire her cause of it
16:00 Dota upgraded from source 1 to the source 2 engine on the 7.0 update, so we've been on source 2 for a while now. Now, dota has so many complex interactions where abilities combine in utterly unfair ways and interactions are strange in ways that look like bugs but are actually just side effects of the game engine. Pudge fountain hook is a classic. That had to be specifically coded OUT of the game so it couldn't happen. People were malding and screaming over it, but since it wasn't a break in the code, it was allowed at the time. There have been other cases like Legion Commander getting double regen hits off her passive, or other bugs, but the general rule of thumb is everyone can draft the same set of heroes so if there's a literally broken hero, either ban it or pick it yourself. Rubick is known for bugs since he can steal multiple enemy abilities, so things often combo in a "bugged" way, but just need to be hard coded exemptions essentially. But in general bugs of things just not working like the Maw bug where the game doesn't function just do not happen. League is a special spaghetti code game.
The TES game wasn't a free win even without the bug, because Lucian need at least 2-3 aa for the nexus and got ulted away without e or Galeforce up and before he could aa the Nexus Karthus would already kill him.
Nexus was two hits away. Two autos on Sett would reset his E, and his Q was up. So Q>A (passive auto is double) would give him a dash into Nexus range (with RFC), and that same dash would retrigger his passive thus ONE auto on the Nexus would be two hits, destroying it. So to summarize, Q>A>E>A wins the game. Karth wouldn't be in range to kill until after the E which wouldn't stop Nexus auto. Not to mention, if he doesn't play optimally but just right clicks Nexus and prays to the gods, Karth killing him still isn't guaranteed and even if Karth does, Karth killing him takes Karth focus off team mates, someone else potentially ends. I agree it's not 100%, but the chances are definitely high enough that the expectation should be if no bug TES wins.
Laure BASED af, fuck those bots on Twitter. Do what you love and want, it’s your life. Only you can live it, others can’t live it for you. Big respect and big support!
Really fun episode, Laure was a great guest ! I appreciate that she could share her opinions when usually she only gets to ask others for theirs. This long format really made her shine on another light. Wishing the best to all three of you, take care, and fuck twitter ❤️ This platform only has the power we give it anyway
Ironically, that MSI at Tallahassee was the only LoL event I've been able to attend in 12 years. Was nice to get an event in the southeast. Maybe they could have picked a better date but I would absolutely attend an event again if it came to Tallahassee, Atlanta, or somewhere roughly nearby.
What if the LCS went further into the NFL style, 2 matches at a time, 3 time slots and the match of the day is the only one on its own. It promotes the best teams, you could have a mini Redzone that highlights the best of the simultaneous games, the days won't feel like they drag on, if a game has a pause you could just watch the other game, plus you would never have to watch DIG vs Immortals
Just to give a more complete picture on how bad the bug situation is in League am just going to say this.Vandril the guy Thorin mentioned from tweeter is a TH-camr who only uploads videos on bugs and stupid interactions.These videos are not lengthened to be better for ad revenue btw,and Vandril (probably) has been making his living of these videos for 10(maybe 11) years.For someone to make a living from these short videos which pay way less than the 10+ min vids you would need a stupid amount of videos,well guess what,Riot is a company of the people and they have been providing Vandril and us with more bugs than we could ever ask for. Again,for almost 11 years Vandril which is 1 person has found so many bugs consistanly to have based a short form youtube channel that earns the guy his livelyhood and as he has said in the past,he doesnt have enough time to upload every single one that he finds.Now if that doesnt prove to Riot how disorganised their game code is idk what will show them. As far as am aware the game is almost completly fine,the code is whats making all these problems cause its not tidied up,its all over the place.
Vandiril does not find the bugs solely by himself. The community does majority of it. People are giving him too much credit these days. Yes, hes still pretty important as he publicize them in videos and its easier for Riot devs to access since the channel is well known. But hes spending way more time on editing and verifying issues sent to him by the community and re-enacting them in-game himself / with his friends. In a game like League of Legends, theres millions of different possible scenarios, its impossible to be even close to 100% bug free. Even if you hire 10000 QA testers, it doesn't matter. The community bringing light to bugs is a necessity.
@@OBODZ1 true yeah,but vandrils channel by its existanse alone proves how out of control the bug situation is.Vandril gets his credit because of his dedication.I might have phrased it wrong(my english suck sry).But what i meant is that all the bugs that he has publishised is by one person.Although league for sure will never be a bug free game with how much the community helps riot with these bugs they should at some point create some space in their schedule (over a long period of time not daily) were they have prepared all the content they want to put out so that they have a month or two to work on the bugs.It would be much easier after,now all the bugs are piled up,if they fix a good amount then they can just quickly sort out the bugs that ocurre with the new patches rather than still working on already existing bugs
The first time I was introduced to e-sport was trough Starcraft. I watched tons of Elky and Grrrr replays to copy their playstyle. Great job with the podcast guys and big respect to Laure
So I'm in the camp that jackeylove did just get blown up even through the shield, vandril did bad testing and bad math didn't take into account items or runes or anything when doing so. So karthus had void staff, deathcap, shadowflame, ornn upgraded liandrys, and sorc boots. he had also bought a blue pot before respawning and it was ticking when he ulted. 665 ap is what karthus had. 9% extra damage from first strike, 1% extra damage from liandrys because lucain had 100 bonus hp from fully stacked bloodline rune. 25 extra true damage from the blue pot shadowflame was at max pen because he was low and if not for that right before the ult hit he was given nami e who had aery which gave him the mini aery shield. so thats 10% more damage and 20 more magic pen plus the extra 25 true damage on the ult going onto lucain. vandrill only compared the amount of damage nami took and lucian took and their similar mr and was like wow the shield didnt trigger no way but didnt take into account anything else. nami was near full hp so shadowflame wouldn't have affected her with the max pen. also no extra liandrys damage because of bonus hp. im in the camp maw did trigger and it legit just stopped him from getting one shot which would have happened without it. lets say sure give him the extra 400 hp. He had just dashed and sett ulted him away from the nexus jackey love at level 18 with those items and runes the cd on dash is 8 seconds it would not have been back up in time to redash back to the nexus and hit it, sett ult slows he got pulled back by set e and then reslowed by frostfire no way he would have made it back in time to hit the nexus. before karthus who was already exiting the steps and going towards him and nami to help sett kill him if he theoretically had 400 more hp then the 90 + nami heal gave him before being ulted away by set.
tbh it really doesn't matter, Sett just kills Lucian before he can get in range to auto Nexus. He had max stacks Dead Man's Plate auto, Frostfire immolate burn and the magic dmg first auto. The slows would not allow Lucian to get close to nexus fast enough. Sett hadn't use his W either. If he R -> Q double auto -> E -> continue autos he also easily kills Lucian. He probably just used E early since Lucian was low enough. Also, don't forget Sett has easy Conqueror stacks for more AD. If all else fails Karthus was right there and would kill him immediately and Nami won't be able to finish the Nexus even if she auto-ed more times anyways.
The people giving backlash for this don't realise they're actually going to end up doing more damage and harm to people than the people they are trying to witch hunt. It's absolutely gross. Of course they care about social justice and mental health unless they don't like you in which case they hope to mob you into experiencing extreme mental trauma. Seems like a reasonable way to behave.
respect to laure for coming on, regardless of her reaction to the twitter drama about the rge vs jdg match - i think its 75-25, they are even in bot/mid, slightly behind in top, and reasonably behind in jg. definitely jdg favoured but nowhere near unwinnable.
If you watch the replay, it looks like its a visual bug, Because... Sett did rank 3 ulti and W on lucian, and that didnt kill him from 200 hp? No. visual bug.
I know I’m in the minority but I really liked Monday Night League. It was cool as a fan to have 2 “marquis” matchups really focused on and the broadcast built around that
Isn't it disrespectful to call Mata "a role player"? In Season 4, SSW played around his vision control. Riot directly had to nerf the warding afterwards. He played a completely different game back them. And let's just remember, that Looper was considered "Mata's 3rd summoner spell"... so who was the roleplayer on that team? Now Mata never got back to that peak level and was just "good" afterwards.
GAM was in a huge winning position but kinda messed up the cloud drake fight by being split. Don’t care for the bug, the other teams in the group relaxed after they are moving on to the next round. TES underperformed and are out. On the rogue side of things Larsen never leaves lane, this will be exploited by jdg and lanes are going to get dived into huge advantages.
Never forget the OMG vs FNC game where kog ulted k6 but didn't cancel the back. From that shit till now was very obvious that they're going to do absolute nothing.
I remember that, kha zhix had either (funnily enough) hexdrinker or maw of malmortius, Kogs ult is magic damage and if the damage doesnt go through the shield It doesnt stop the back. It's always been intended to work that way. There have been many egregious bugs for sure, im not defending Riot dont get me wrong, but that particular instance was a certified feature of the game, no bug involved there except for Kha himself lmao
If you check Vandiril channel you will keep up with all the bugs and he calls on some bugs many months before they happen in pro play. Riot doesn't care they have the money and resources to work and fix those issues.
you guys are wrong about the games not mattering when RGE and DRX qualifies. Those games still mattered for seeding. If TES beat one of the two opponents and lost to the other, then seeding would have been decided without a tie breaker. Both RGE and DRX would have been trying to win against TES. Those games have to be treated as games that matter, and shouldn't need to be remade.
51:39 so true. Did not watch a single LCS game this year. I feel like it's a waste of my watching bunch of no-names with no personalities. The only exception would be EG. I thought Jojo shit-talk was hilarious at worlds.
Carlos: How did you get canceled Laure? Laure: I went onto a podcast... Carlos: No, seriously, c'mon, you can tell me! Like hahahahah SHE WENT ON A PODCAST! YOU PEOPLE ARE SOFT! GOD HELP YOU ALL! ICANT It's just SAD at this point, damn sad lol
@@nguyentri3608 Gala/Ming are equal to any bot lane worldwide. Xiaohu needs no introduction. You've got the sleeper best Top laner in the world Breathe, who carried the fuck outta BilliBilli before leaving. Wei the role player who can pop the fuck off if given Viego or Graves. The only thing that can stop RNG is Covid. Objectivly T1 has no winning match-ups vs RNG. JDG lost in regular season and only won Play-offs because RNG lost before double elimination. anit
I actually like it if regular season moves to weekdays and would wish the same for LEC. With a fulltime job the weekends are the only time in the week you actually have time to do something and then just staying home and watching 5 hours of broadcast often isnt possible or that exciting. Would rather watch games after work throughout the week. That said as an European watching LCS (live) will become impossible of course which sucks. I didnt watch everything but it becoming impossible to watch is a bit sad. Hoping then costreams for LCS stays around because then I can catch up through those as they often feel like a podcast and are great as second screen content.
Can you tell me where you can watch those costreams? I heard about that concept few months ago (I think during MSI) I tried googling around but found nothing of substance. Is it like lol personalities casting a game or giving a commentary on highlights?
I am some random nobody, but when I play league a lot I notice sometimes that a champions usual feel is off. Just the other day I was playing Renekton and the healing was like 10-20% the usual amount; even by the numbers after the game. I am pretty sure the games bugs way more than people realise.
Cmon Monte, we could've had this game replayed without the other ones... The argument "Rogue wouldn't have picked nasus because they wouldn't have felt as secure" is nowhere near as significant or worthy of a replay as the maw bug. One is circumstance and the other is something out of someones control
No, that's not how this works. Did you ever hear about the butterfly effect? You can't expect the other games to have the same result with a TES win over GAM.
i mean look maybe tes played good because the pressure was off after being out and they could really dominate the last 2 games or maybe they would have played good regardless of what happened with gam we will never know ....but this is ridiculous for a game thats been around for around 10 years if im not mistaken ? or more idk ....to be fair tes should've never been in this situation to lose that many games but it still sucks, tes was one of my favorite teams in this tournament and i dont think we've seen why so many people had them as one of the favorites in this tournament and its safe to say that quarterfinals would've been much more exciting if tes made it out at least for me and some other ppl but then again i have to repeat THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THIS SITUATION to have this game decide their fate, they were placed in a relatively easy group they should've made it out
haha nice call back Thorin on the "Rogue WoW" joke :D also Laure, Sjokz and Trouble are great but Twitch chat is just unbearable with one of them on screen. Half of the guys are toxic the other half apperently way too horny to be allowed to write anything. Then again I am not on social media probably its even worse there.
@@phoenix8632 I am not too sure about monte maybe related to Renegades days? I suggest you lookup coz I dont want to say something i am not too sure about.
@@phoenix8632 monte is well know fighter for casters rights and decent pay so that makes him public enemey #1 for riot. Tbh both thoorin and monte are good guys here and riot is the one that is bad guy
It's funny the outrage the community is having over the bug yet no one on TES will ever acknowledge this and majority of the Chinese fans are saying shit like "Difference between LPL and a Wildcard, Maw of Malmortius" lol it would literally be more embarrassing for TES to demand a remake or even bring it up. Also why aren't people glad Riot isn't bending over backwards for a Chinese team?? If they did the remake everyone would be calling them Tencent dogs. Did everyone forget how much shit they got for RNG at MSI??
The "Maw diff" is a hilarious take tbh, yeah they would have won the game if not for the bug, but that game was very rough anyway. A win is a win for them I guess, but strugling so hard to win against GAM is already a pretty poor show in of itself, win or lose
@@Woodrow512 No they would not have won the game. People forget Jackeylove E was on CD. Sett E is a slow. If they see Lucian is still healthy then guess where Karthus and Renata is heading towards? Renata can just ult lucian instead of the renekton. A win is a win. GAM won. Notice how the CN fans showed there was a bug but didn't try to recreate the potential game ending nexus close?
I think larssen will be exposed in the series. He has been the weakest lin in rogue by far. When he has a lead he cannot translate it into a win, he olays so slowly and so greedy for farm, he was always late on rotation, by far. To me he is the main reason of the rogue time. When you have a fed kalista you have to accelerate and keep the tempo up, and he is the one alwyas slowing it down. To me yagao will expose his lack of map play and it will be a resoundinf 3-0 for jdg
I'm not a fan of this take that a bug knocked tes out of worlds. You have jackeylove and knight, if you can't win with them that's on you. But more so they lost cuz they underperformed. They shouldn't of been in a spot where a bug could affect the outcome of the game, that simple.
Fair point, and yes I agree that as LPL second Seed you should never even be close to a losing position VS GAM, but having a horrible game doesnt mean that they wouldnt have won It anyway because of the bug. Should they be in that situation in a game vs GAM? No, definitely not, but even when the game went so bad for them, should they have won if not for the bug? Absolutely yes
@@Woodrow512 Absolutely yes? You can't even be sure Lucian would end if Karthus respawned and pathed towards him in case he had more HP. Ffs guys the thing that is going on the last few days is ridiculous. Rogue is getting so many shit those days because they qualified in a bad fashion like they are supposed to apologised for that. And if they don't show up in the quarters then 9/10 people will still shit on them despite the fact that overall they had a super good year. I feel bad for JKL and TES. mainly due to the stuff that they will hear from the chinese fans, but they are superstars. They should have showed up when the pressure was on and not win while they were already disqualified. Nothing tells me that even if they won that game, they would win the next ones with the pressure on their shoulders.
@@alexlag4177 but I can be sure of it. That Sett is full tank, had no grit stacked either so his W would have done Next to no damage, that is if he even hits him with it. If Lucian uses Q he gets his dash back instantly after hitting Sett, then has auto + passive on dash and can even reset passive with his W, the Nexus was at less than a quarter of HP when they all died, 2 more autos would have done the trick, and he had time for potentially 4 (because of the passive), so yeah I can be sure they would have won. This doesnt take away from their poor performance in that game, however, as poor as the performance was, without the bug they would have won It 100% of the times in that particular situation. If you play the VOD in slow motion and analize the variables it's a guaranteed finish
It's weird none of the Twitter mob sees the irony in Summoning Insight being one of the few places willing to let Laure do something she's clearly passionate about: just talk about the game. Her tweet supports this.
Her first time on was a treat and surprise for everyone, but the greater league media space didn't do much with the new found knowledge that she's good on talk shows.
It's insane, really: literal "most misogynist" man in esport twice like the only one down to just talk with Laure about league.
shes a good interviewer she just need to work on her pronunciation on words so people don't ask what the question was again
It's hardly the first time she does this, in english maybe yes but she's been doing this for years in french
@@manuman5319 but 90% of the planet doesn't speak french + Monte is known by everyone in the LoL comunity, it's just different reach
Okay Duncan back to the main account now
isnt it crazy, that he even asked for froskurinn to be back at the analysis desk. He makes fun of her behaviour, calls her fros-karen and everything, but he still aknowledges that she is missing from league broadcast.
he also gave karen moser a plattform when noone else wanted to.
Respect to Laure for coming here and if you like it, give her some love on twitter.
I really liked the episode! Laure is a great guest!
Respect to Laure for coming on. Love it when figures like her get a platform like this to speak, if only the boneheads on Reddit/Twitter actually listened to this instead of just blindly hating
why do they hate thorin and monte, because they shit on na so much?
Imagine getting backlash because of going on podcast. Glad this episode is still going up.
i will stop buying skins, tft content literally everything from riot if anyone from the riot employes get into trouble because of this
this (SI, Best Damn League Show, and many others) has been the best, most entertaining, most informative content in this industry for years now and we need such independent source
ill be honest these esports shows are the only reason that im following LoL esports at all, because monte and thorin have not only good takes but are the best at creating or rather said seeing the most interesting narratives about players carreers and the teams historic context to where they are or where they could be
All Hail the Last Free Nation !
@@dwasdasdasdads You should stop buying anything from Riot because they are a chinese owned, sexist, monopolistic and control-focussed company that makes way too much money anyway.
What happened?
@@aymenhannani3490 People on Twitter dont like thorin and monte so everyone was bashing laure for coming on their show.
@@blumberg49 a line drawn somewhere is always better than a line thats never drawn
Legit. IWD is the reason I am an LPL fan. He is doing so much for the LPL English broadcast and the LPL broadcast doesn't treat him like shit like when he was asked to cast or them bringing him up in broadcast from time to time. I end up liking the LPL product so much that even if Dom couldn't costream for the day, I would still pull up the LPL stream on youtube and watch the official cast because it is a good product and IWD brought the exposure for it.
Copium overdose
Dagda hits me as a very cool and likeable guy, but MAN the LPL english broadcast production is amateur level. I watch LCK and even in season 3 the OGN production was better
@@thelight3270 Get a life, dude.
@@laisensei6984 maybe this is his life. which is sad tbh.
I like the lpl casters but the production is really shit
Twitter be like:
You‘re a misogynist because you party with Andrew Tate.
I‘m a misogynist because I tell women on which podcasts they aren‘t allowed to appear.
We‘re not the same.
Can you give any more context? Afaik nobody in SI parties with Andrew Tate
@@smugler1 It's about Carlos from G2. Twitter went mad because he associated with Andrew Tate and basically called him a misogynist.
@@nightmare_1337 No one cares about Carlos move on brokie.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg not the sharpest tool in the shed, aren‘t you?
@@nightmare_1337 Relax you're not an incel because of me. Now enroll in hustler university so you can tell people you attended a "university" 🤣
ngl I instantly respect Laure more for having the balls to be on here
i mean i kind of know what you mean but i think they will purely talk about the games at worlds and the tournament itself
im sure thorin and monte dont want to get her into trouble anyway
She didnt have 1 interesting take in 1.5 hours.
@@jhshshebejdkfjfjrnrkr3397 bad take
She's been on before tbf or at least on another show iirc. Props nonetheless.
@@jhshshebejdkfjfjrnrkr3397 her saying he didn’t have any expectations from EU at worlds is definitely an interesting take. Most people on EU broadcast would have said rouge would win worlds especially after week 1
I'm glad this is still going up even though Twitterites were causing a fuss
Context ?
@@iGoatYouTTV laure got cancelled for coming on this
@@RavenHeartization lol? xD
@@RavenHeartization are you for real?
@@OMAR-vk9pi Tweets are deleted now, but it was basically saying, "How can you go on his podcast and support Thorin because he is misogynist."
There are two deleted tweets from SpaceGhost that goes somewhere along the lines of,
"How can anyone female go on summoning insight after Thorin literally blocked almost every woman in esports/ the gaming scene. What a nightmare."
"How can you go on Summoning Insight as a fellow woman in League of Legends esports broadcast after Thorin put me and my HUSBAND on blast for ..."
The rest of that tweet was about a complication from an abortion, with a picture of a tweet of Thorin tweeting about some guy being a bum for begging for money online.
The way Laure had to react due to the backlash of being on here just goes to show how little Riot does to protect employees. You don't see this same type of reaction when people interact with Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith, who no doubt are even more hated than Thorin or Monte.
She mentioned in the video she is freelance. Regardless, I doubt they would do anything to protect their employees other than just not let them go on third-party content in the first place...
How would Riot protect her from social media(as I suppose the backlash) you are talking about happened on social media.
How does ESPN protect Skip and SAS exactly ?
Genuine questions
@@jasoncangy6535 It's not about protecting Laure from social media drama, it's about job security. Skip and SAS don't have to fear saying something wild and losing their job over it (Of course their is a line somewhere but they've never crossed it.)
Love this, you can really see how Laure engages in the conversation more than so many other guests AND enjoys talking about league, I've wanted to see something like this for a while as she doesn't often get the opportunity on LEC. Definitely the kind of person I'd want to see regularly on LFN not just to interview but give her thoughts too.
People forget the Shen bug in the Samsung Ozone vs Team Vulcan match in s3 were Shen's ult would only give the shield and not tp to the target.
After watching it on Twitch, I just open it here again and give a like just because this podcast deserves the support.
Every Summoning Insight this year have been lit, once again superb 3hours of pure gold
Love laure, always happy to see her given a platform to shine. It's crazy that people are trying to shame her for doing this show. Thorin may be incredibly annoying and pompous sometimes but he's nothing like the Andrew Tate guy and to compare the two is so unbelievably stupid and harmful.
so funny to see the same usual suspects on Twitter cause a fuss about this, great to see the podcast still up.
its so funny cause its always the same people complaining. One girl who has spent years trying to break into esports was flaming her saying that "women in esport don't need clout from thorin" yet she hasn't achieved anything by herself for years except admitting to being a stripper and complaining that no one will hire her cause of it
The pronoun crowd
@@tianolamas7832 lmao
Laure is such a good guest this ep!
16:00 Dota upgraded from source 1 to the source 2 engine on the 7.0 update, so we've been on source 2 for a while now. Now, dota has so many complex interactions where abilities combine in utterly unfair ways and interactions are strange in ways that look like bugs but are actually just side effects of the game engine. Pudge fountain hook is a classic. That had to be specifically coded OUT of the game so it couldn't happen. People were malding and screaming over it, but since it wasn't a break in the code, it was allowed at the time. There have been other cases like Legion Commander getting double regen hits off her passive, or other bugs, but the general rule of thumb is everyone can draft the same set of heroes so if there's a literally broken hero, either ban it or pick it yourself. Rubick is known for bugs since he can steal multiple enemy abilities, so things often combo in a "bugged" way, but just need to be hard coded exemptions essentially. But in general bugs of things just not working like the Maw bug where the game doesn't function just do not happen. League is a special spaghetti code game.
Great to hear Laure speaking her mind on all of this. I had no idea she was so knowledgeable.
Laure is such an interesting guest, very happy she was on the show
Thorin's Rogue Hellraiser comparison had me dying 🤣
The TES game wasn't a free win even without the bug, because Lucian need at least 2-3 aa for the nexus and got ulted away without e or Galeforce up and before he could aa the Nexus Karthus would already kill him.
Mmh I doubt, he had rapidfirecannon 2 aa was enough, W aa and the game was over
Nexus was two hits away. Two autos on Sett would reset his E, and his Q was up. So Q>A (passive auto is double) would give him a dash into Nexus range (with RFC), and that same dash would retrigger his passive thus ONE auto on the Nexus would be two hits, destroying it. So to summarize, Q>A>E>A wins the game. Karth wouldn't be in range to kill until after the E which wouldn't stop Nexus auto.
Not to mention, if he doesn't play optimally but just right clicks Nexus and prays to the gods, Karth killing him still isn't guaranteed and even if Karth does, Karth killing him takes Karth focus off team mates, someone else potentially ends. I agree it's not 100%, but the chances are definitely high enough that the expectation should be if no bug TES wins.
Laure BASED af, fuck those bots on Twitter. Do what you love and want, it’s your life. Only you can live it, others can’t live it for you. Big respect and big support!
Really fun episode, Laure was a great guest ! I appreciate that she could share her opinions when usually she only gets to ask others for theirs. This long format really made her shine on another light. Wishing the best to all three of you, take care, and fuck twitter ❤️ This platform only has the power we give it anyway
Really enjoyed this episode. Laure was a great guest.
Laure was a great guest, really liking this episode
one lpl team has to be sacrificed to the gods in groups we all know the rules
Ironically, that MSI at Tallahassee was the only LoL event I've been able to attend in 12 years. Was nice to get an event in the southeast. Maybe they could have picked a better date but I would absolutely attend an event again if it came to Tallahassee, Atlanta, or somewhere roughly nearby.
What if the LCS went further into the NFL style, 2 matches at a time, 3 time slots and the match of the day is the only one on its own. It promotes the best teams, you could have a mini Redzone that highlights the best of the simultaneous games, the days won't feel like they drag on, if a game has a pause you could just watch the other game, plus you would never have to watch DIG vs Immortals
Just to give a more complete picture on how bad the bug situation is in League am just going to say this.Vandril the guy Thorin mentioned from tweeter is a TH-camr who only uploads videos on bugs and stupid interactions.These videos are not lengthened to be better for ad revenue btw,and Vandril (probably) has been making his living of these videos for 10(maybe 11) years.For someone to make a living from these short videos which pay way less than the 10+ min vids you would need a stupid amount of videos,well guess what,Riot is a company of the people and they have been providing Vandril and us with more bugs than we could ever ask for.
Again,for almost 11 years Vandril which is 1 person has found so many bugs consistanly to have based a short form youtube channel that earns the guy his livelyhood and as he has said in the past,he doesnt have enough time to upload every single one that he finds.Now if that doesnt prove to Riot how disorganised their game code is idk what will show them.
As far as am aware the game is almost completly fine,the code is whats making all these problems cause its not tidied up,its all over the place.
Vandiril does not find the bugs solely by himself. The community does majority of it. People are giving him too much credit these days. Yes, hes still pretty important as he publicize them in videos and its easier for Riot devs to access since the channel is well known. But hes spending way more time on editing and verifying issues sent to him by the community and re-enacting them in-game himself / with his friends.
In a game like League of Legends, theres millions of different possible scenarios, its impossible to be even close to 100% bug free. Even if you hire 10000 QA testers, it doesn't matter. The community bringing light to bugs is a necessity.
@@OBODZ1 true yeah,but vandrils channel by its existanse alone proves how out of control the bug situation is.Vandril gets his credit because of his dedication.I might have phrased it wrong(my english suck sry).But what i meant is that all the bugs that he has publishised is by one person.Although league for sure will never be a bug free game with how much the community helps riot with these bugs they should at some point create some space in their schedule (over a long period of time not daily) were they have prepared all the content they want to put out so that they have a month or two to work on the bugs.It would be much easier after,now all the bugs are piled up,if they fix a good amount then they can just quickly sort out the bugs that ocurre with the new patches rather than still working on already existing bugs
The first time I was introduced to e-sport was trough Starcraft. I watched tons of Elky and Grrrr replays to copy their playstyle. Great job with the podcast guys and big respect to Laure
So I'm in the camp that jackeylove did just get blown up even through the shield, vandril did bad testing and bad math didn't take into account items or runes or anything when doing so. So karthus had void staff, deathcap, shadowflame, ornn upgraded liandrys, and sorc boots. he had also bought a blue pot before respawning and it was ticking when he ulted. 665 ap is what karthus had. 9% extra damage from first strike, 1% extra damage from liandrys because lucain had 100 bonus hp from fully stacked bloodline rune. 25 extra true damage from the blue pot shadowflame was at max pen because he was low and if not for that right before the ult hit he was given nami e who had aery which gave him the mini aery shield. so thats 10% more damage and 20 more magic pen plus the extra 25 true damage on the ult going onto lucain. vandrill only compared the amount of damage nami took and lucian took and their similar mr and was like wow the shield didnt trigger no way but didnt take into account anything else. nami was near full hp so shadowflame wouldn't have affected her with the max pen. also no extra liandrys damage because of bonus hp. im in the camp maw did trigger and it legit just stopped him from getting one shot which would have happened without it. lets say sure give him the extra 400 hp. He had just dashed and sett ulted him away from the nexus jackey love at level 18 with those items and runes the cd on dash is 8 seconds it would not have been back up in time to redash back to the nexus and hit it, sett ult slows he got pulled back by set e and then reslowed by frostfire no way he would have made it back in time to hit the nexus. before karthus who was already exiting the steps and going towards him and nami to help sett kill him if he theoretically had 400 more hp then the 90 + nami heal gave him before being ulted away by set.
tbh it really doesn't matter, Sett just kills Lucian before he can get in range to auto Nexus.
He had max stacks Dead Man's Plate auto, Frostfire immolate burn and the magic dmg first auto. The slows would not allow Lucian to get close to nexus fast enough. Sett hadn't use his W either. If he R -> Q double auto -> E -> continue autos he also easily kills Lucian. He probably just used E early since Lucian was low enough. Also, don't forget Sett has easy Conqueror stacks for more AD.
If all else fails Karthus was right there and would kill him immediately and Nami won't be able to finish the Nexus even if she auto-ed more times anyways.
The people giving backlash for this don't realise they're actually going to end up doing more damage and harm to people than the people they are trying to witch hunt. It's absolutely gross.
Of course they care about social justice and mental health unless they don't like you in which case they hope to mob you into experiencing extreme mental trauma. Seems like a reasonable way to behave.
Laure rocks! Great to hear her opinion. Awesome guest.
1:23:34
2:08:35 Jesus Thorin got every little thing wrong here lolol
2:31:24 2:33:43 2:36:14 2:38:33
2:44:26 Good dating advice...
respect to laure for coming on, regardless of her reaction to the twitter drama
about the rge vs jdg match - i think its 75-25, they are even in bot/mid, slightly behind in top, and reasonably behind in jg. definitely jdg favoured but nowhere near unwinnable.
That tsm vs eg game, I was watching it at the start of my 8 hour shift.. I got out of work to check the results and game 4 just ended
Thorin malding about that bengi question had me buckled haha
from a point of viewer experience, this has been the worts world championship by far
If you watch the replay, it looks like its a visual bug, Because...
Sett did rank 3 ulti and W on lucian, and that didnt kill him from 200 hp?
No. visual bug.
Laure is based. Don't listen to the twitter mob.
Great episode
I know I’m in the minority but I really liked Monday Night League. It was cool as a fan to have 2 “marquis” matchups really focused on and the broadcast built around that
To monte saying there are not enough game deciding bug. We already got 3 or 4 of them in this world. Plus 3 or 4 very influential but not decisive.
More LPL copium about this "bug caused L" living 1100 range from the nexus for 1.5 seconds longer wasn't gonna make Lucian get 3 autos off.
Isn't it disrespectful to call Mata "a role player"? In Season 4, SSW played around his vision control. Riot directly had to nerf the warding afterwards. He played a completely different game back them. And let's just remember, that Looper was considered "Mata's 3rd summoner spell"... so who was the roleplayer on that team?
Now Mata never got back to that peak level and was just "good" afterwards.
Hey Now Everyone. Sodaron here. Enjoy your week of Lol eSports.
GAM was in a huge winning position but kinda messed up the cloud drake fight by being split. Don’t care for the bug, the other teams in the group relaxed after they are moving on to the next round. TES underperformed and are out. On the rogue side of things Larsen never leaves lane, this will be exploited by jdg and lanes are going to get dived into huge advantages.
Laure is great, can't get enough
Never forget the OMG vs FNC game where kog ulted k6 but didn't cancel the back. From that shit till now was very obvious that they're going to do absolute nothing.
I remember that, kha zhix had either (funnily enough) hexdrinker or maw of malmortius, Kogs ult is magic damage and if the damage doesnt go through the shield It doesnt stop the back. It's always been intended to work that way. There have been many egregious bugs for sure, im not defending Riot dont get me wrong, but that particular instance was a certified feature of the game, no bug involved there except for Kha himself lmao
If you check Vandiril channel you will keep up with all the bugs and he calls on some bugs many months before they happen in pro play. Riot doesn't care they have the money and resources to work and fix those issues.
Fire content as always
1:40:25 Fudge gapping top lane??? Blabber facilitating
you guys are wrong about the games not mattering when RGE and DRX qualifies. Those games still mattered for seeding. If TES beat one of the two opponents and lost to the other, then seeding would have been decided without a tie breaker. Both RGE and DRX would have been trying to win against TES. Those games have to be treated as games that matter, and shouldn't need to be remade.
Let's go!
51:39 so true. Did not watch a single LCS game this year. I feel like it's a waste of my watching bunch of no-names with no personalities. The only exception would be EG. I thought Jojo shit-talk was hilarious at worlds.
Carlos: How did you get canceled Laure?
Laure: I went onto a podcast...
Carlos: No, seriously, c'mon, you can tell me!
Like hahahahah SHE WENT ON A PODCAST!
YOU PEOPLE ARE SOFT! GOD HELP YOU ALL!
ICANT It's just SAD at this point, damn sad lol
That top bug could have been spotted in-game if riot had implemented a decent death recap.
I love the way way monte pronounces "controversial"
Jackeylove will always give you a chance.🤣
RNG to make the greatest run of all time, from play-ins to T1 QF, JDG SF then beating GenG in the finals.
Fellow RNG supporter BASED
@@nguyentri3608 Gala/Ming are equal to any bot lane worldwide.
Xiaohu needs no introduction.
You've got the sleeper best Top laner in the world Breathe, who carried the fuck outta BilliBilli before leaving.
Wei the role player who can pop the fuck off if given Viego or Graves.
The only thing that can stop RNG is Covid.
Objectivly T1 has no winning match-ups vs RNG. JDG lost in regular season and only won Play-offs because RNG lost before double elimination. anit
@@kurtmcfc1629 How many social credits did you get from this post?
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg Been an LPL Stan Since S3 in the Huya days with the Chinese text scrolling across the screen..
if you know then you know.
@@kurtmcfc1629 I think they call it the "barrage"? Hahaha
oh shit, with laure!?! cant wait
Is it a good thing for League of Legends overall is the LCS dies or does it not matter?
Dom is moving to Europe? How cool is that 🥳
ye he talked about it on stream before, it'll be at the end of this year, after world's i think
Based Laure
Dream worlds would be:
Quarters:
JDG vs DK
T1 vs RNG
GenG vs EDG
RGE vs DRX
Semis:
JDG vs T1
GenG vs RGE
Finals:
JDG vs GenG
I actually like it if regular season moves to weekdays and would wish the same for LEC. With a fulltime job the weekends are the only time in the week you actually have time to do something and then just staying home and watching 5 hours of broadcast often isnt possible or that exciting. Would rather watch games after work throughout the week.
That said as an European watching LCS (live) will become impossible of course which sucks. I didnt watch everything but it becoming impossible to watch is a bit sad. Hoping then costreams for LCS stays around because then I can catch up through those as they often feel like a podcast and are great as second screen content.
Can you tell me where you can watch those costreams? I heard about that concept few months ago (I think during MSI) I tried googling around but found nothing of substance.
Is it like lol personalities casting a game or giving a commentary on highlights?
Laure on SI? It's a bold strategy Cotton.
They could move to BO3's and do a single round robin and fit it in the same amount of time
Now with Carlos out how about Papa Smitthy or Deficio to G2? More money, more options.
if TES play like that, they deserved to get kicked out, no bad feelings here.
I just enjoy the show not using Twitter having a great life without internet BS, u should do the same guys. 😉
I am some random nobody, but when I play league a lot I notice sometimes that a champions usual feel is off. Just the other day I was playing Renekton and the healing was like 10-20% the usual amount; even by the numbers after the game. I am pretty sure the games bugs way more than people realise.
Thorin jinxed RNG ffs 😅
I'm glad they're taking a stand against the anime questions lmao.
if LCS is on week days I just won't watch it anymore at all xd, its not possible for me in Europe.
laure is one of there reasons why eu>na, get your broadcasters together na
Cmon Monte, we could've had this game replayed without the other ones... The argument "Rogue wouldn't have picked nasus because they wouldn't have felt as secure" is nowhere near as significant or worthy of a replay as the maw bug. One is circumstance and the other is something out of someones control
No, that's not how this works. Did you ever hear about the butterfly effect? You can't expect the other games to have the same result with a TES win over GAM.
i mean look maybe tes played good because the pressure was off after being out and they could really dominate the last 2 games or maybe they would have played good regardless of what happened with gam we will never know ....but this is ridiculous for a game thats been around for around 10 years if im not mistaken ? or more idk ....to be fair tes should've never been in this situation to lose that many games but it still sucks, tes was one of my favorite teams in this tournament and i dont think we've seen why so many people had them as one of the favorites in this tournament and its safe to say that quarterfinals would've been much more exciting if tes made it out at least for me and some other ppl but then again i have to repeat THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THIS SITUATION to have this game decide their fate, they were placed in a relatively easy group they should've made it out
Please add Korean subtitles
Thoron 말 속도가 빨라서 번역가가 필요합니다. 그치만 둘다 발음이 정확해서 기초적인 영어만 알고 집중하면 다 들릴겁니다
haha nice call back Thorin on the "Rogue WoW" joke :D
also Laure, Sjokz and Trouble are great but Twitch chat is just unbearable with one of them on screen. Half of the guys are toxic the other half apperently way too horny to be allowed to write anything. Then again I am not on social media probably its even worse there.
Can somebody tell me why people are mad that Laure is coming on this podcast?
People dont like thorin and monte so they are bad people. How dare Laure give them platform.
ik sounds so dumb.
@@manasik6108 I understand why would some people hate thorin but what do people dislike about Monte?
@@phoenix8632 I am not too sure about monte maybe related to Renegades days? I suggest you lookup coz I dont want to say something i am not too sure about.
@@phoenix8632 Seems to be mainly Thorin. But there's some ignorance relating to Monte and renegades.
@@phoenix8632 monte is well know fighter for casters rights and decent pay so that makes him public enemey #1 for riot. Tbh both thoorin and monte are good guys here and riot is the one that is bad guy
RNG vs JDG will be the real final.
In terms of earnings Elky is not even close to being top online.
There are also audio bugs where if you get to close to someone hiding in a bush their voice lines trigger revealing they are in the bush lol.
You only have to replay this game. Because of the state of the groups at that time everyone needed their wins, so none saved anything for playoffs
Here is my hot take,
Riots mmorpg is an action mmorpg with isometric view, they will rebuild league into the pvp of that game.
It's funny the outrage the community is having over the bug yet no one on TES will ever acknowledge this and majority of the Chinese fans are saying shit like "Difference between LPL and a Wildcard, Maw of Malmortius" lol it would literally be more embarrassing for TES to demand a remake or even bring it up.
Also why aren't people glad Riot isn't bending over backwards for a Chinese team?? If they did the remake everyone would be calling them Tencent dogs. Did everyone forget how much shit they got for RNG at MSI??
The "Maw diff" is a hilarious take tbh, yeah they would have won the game if not for the bug, but that game was very rough anyway. A win is a win for them I guess, but strugling so hard to win against GAM is already a pretty poor show in of itself, win or lose
@@Woodrow512 No they would not have won the game. People forget Jackeylove E was on CD. Sett E is a slow. If they see Lucian is still healthy then guess where Karthus and Renata is heading towards? Renata can just ult lucian instead of the renekton. A win is a win. GAM won. Notice how the CN fans showed there was a bug but didn't try to recreate the potential game ending nexus close?
any lore masters to explain laure to me ?
Colorado rep!!
So funny how much LPL fanboy Copium is happening this worlds. From TES sucking to RNG getting styled on by GEN, just hilarious
If you veto anime, Dostoevsky is an auto ban
This show getting more viewers than the average night of LCS, and they’re stealing riots employees. RIOT BTFO
lol i though she works at the NFL the NA Football league not the French league :D
Tennis
So laure is an absolute smurf and she is clearly umderutilized in the lec broadcast
yeah thats riot is a big bug thats the problem
I think larssen will be exposed in the series. He has been the weakest lin in rogue by far. When he has a lead he cannot translate it into a win, he olays so slowly and so greedy for farm, he was always late on rotation, by far. To me he is the main reason of the rogue time. When you have a fed kalista you have to accelerate and keep the tempo up, and he is the one alwyas slowing it down. To me yagao will expose his lack of map play and it will be a resoundinf 3-0 for jdg
Larssen has to learn roaming, his counterparts always outplay him in that part while being only a bit behind in cs.
A beautiful guest. Anyone know if she’s single? Asking for myself.
I'm not a fan of this take that a bug knocked tes out of worlds. You have jackeylove and knight, if you can't win with them that's on you. But more so they lost cuz they underperformed. They shouldn't of been in a spot where a bug could affect the outcome of the game, that simple.
Fair point, and yes I agree that as LPL second Seed you should never even be close to a losing position VS GAM, but having a horrible game doesnt mean that they wouldnt have won It anyway because of the bug. Should they be in that situation in a game vs GAM? No, definitely not, but even when the game went so bad for them, should they have won if not for the bug? Absolutely yes
@@Woodrow512 Absolutely yes? You can't even be sure Lucian would end if Karthus respawned and pathed towards him in case he had more HP. Ffs guys the thing that is going on the last few days is ridiculous. Rogue is getting so many shit those days because they qualified in a bad fashion like they are supposed to apologised for that. And if they don't show up in the quarters then 9/10 people will still shit on them despite the fact that overall they had a super good year. I feel bad for JKL and TES. mainly due to the stuff that they will hear from the chinese fans, but they are superstars. They should have showed up when the pressure was on and not win while they were already disqualified. Nothing tells me that even if they won that game, they would win the next ones with the pressure on their shoulders.
It's true though to a certain extent ou can almost guaranteee that if they played a BO5 right now against Rogue they would win
Well without the bug their performance is basically the same as FPX 2019
@@alexlag4177 but I can be sure of it. That Sett is full tank, had no grit stacked either so his W would have done Next to no damage, that is if he even hits him with it. If Lucian uses Q he gets his dash back instantly after hitting Sett, then has auto + passive on dash and can even reset passive with his W, the Nexus was at less than a quarter of HP when they all died, 2 more autos would have done the trick, and he had time for potentially 4 (because of the passive), so yeah I can be sure they would have won. This doesnt take away from their poor performance in that game, however, as poor as the performance was, without the bug they would have won It 100% of the times in that particular situation. If you play the VOD in slow motion and analize the variables it's a guaranteed finish