I disagree with Jordan Peterson on many things, but his thesis on the origins of religion is something that I feel resonates. Strange thing is, in his mind, he will go on about the purely natural and evolutionary beginnings and utility of religion, its motifs and archetypes, and then proclaim belief in Jesus is therefore justified. It’s like watching a magic show in Vegas, and then your mate tells you in great detail how the illusionist did all the tricks, and then he claims this is why he believes in magic. Bizarre.
If you find his words on religion interesting, then I fail to see what's left of him for you to disagree with. His other topics being the differences and complementarity between men and women; the necessity of hierarchies; and the corruption of the left : all three sound, valid and sourced. Would you be so kind as to point to his mistakes ?
@@MasterChakra7 It's all intuitively correct if you have those biases. I find it incredibly offensive and wrong headed in the modern world. To hold that these superstitions and demonization of others (the left for instance) have any remaining value is like saying that warfare in Norway once had utility of keeping down the male population, so we should continue fighting modern war.
@@drewharrison6433 you are right, I hate when, in the general case of USA, the left composed by different and many diverse ideologies is called communist and throw to the trash, hating communism might had a good use to fight against the USSR in the past, but it's time to move on and start accepting and hearing others.
That was top flight, sir. Wonderful and lucid observation of things we hold true but don’t know why. Proud to support your work. (And Mr Deity even referenced you! Good company to be in.)
I see religion as a perfect example of humanity’s attempt to control its circumstances - personal, environmental etc etc. We have worshipped everything. It is usually things we have no control over and so, through religion and rituals, we seek to control the uncontrollable be it weather, the sun, oceans, vulcanoes, dangerous animals, diseases, love, fertility, and practically everything else including societal behaviour. The big one of course is the inevitability of death. Great video.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYT the bible cannot proof god's existence. Its like having a cult member claiming that their cult is absolutely right and people should believe because the cult said they're right. The bible claims that god exist, and if god exist that proves the bible, its a cycle. This is why believers have a hard time breaking out of their religion. Think for a moment in another way, the bible claims that god exist, what if he does not? Its not like the bible have any more evidences than just claims. If you think this way, its easy to see that the bible is just a compilation of irrational claims that god exist.
So, so, so good! I love how you are weaving in the evolutionary perspective and do not just shit on Christianity as so many channels so. At this point, pointing out the absurdity of evangelicals is not exactly moving the discussion forward. Always love seeing when a new piece from you pops into my feed. Good luck with your weight lose goal (I am 10 down, 30 to go) and look forward to your next video.
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@abuzarghafari7893 now that is like praying to God and asking him to make you 30 years younger, and you wake up in your diapers being only 1 year old.
@@abuzarghafari7893 God is a construction of faith with far too many variations to be true - look for God if you need it but make a wise choice as there are thousands to choose from and all have one thing in common you call they don't answer!
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@fpcoleman57 probably from a butt hurt evangelist who is desperately trying to prove unicorns exist because his neighbour said so. So much desperation due to delusion. Just ignore fools, waste of our precious time, not to go waste. Cheers.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
That Mark Twain quote is so good. I don't know if it's true, but the idea of the first con-man bullshitting with the first fool, and the first fool eating it up is hilarious.
This is probably the one of the least subjective religion videos i have ever seen including the other ones on your channel. Great video, I would like to see more videos on the same topic
Can you so an hour long video :p, this one is one of my faves :) you speak more truth talking about religion than any Christian I have ever had a convosation with, and the prospective you take I 100% agree with, amazing video
Samurai culture was similar to Norse in that Buddhism said how you live and die will pass on to your family and tribe. It wasn't until Buddhism reached Japan about 500 AD that this way of thinking was subsumed into the culture and you had honour, Seppuku and Kamikaze all molded from Buddhism which kept warriors fighting beyond what they would usually do and ultimately taking their lives if they didn't act honourably or didn't have the chance to. All very utilitarian - at least at first.
Brilliant analysis of the potential importance and relevance of snakes as a motif in human cultures ... I think a deeper investigation on religious archetypes would be a great addition to the content of this channel. It's like beating a dead horse every time we argue against religious ideas in light of rationalism and empiricism -- I think it's time to distil the baby from the bath water and seek explanations as to why religious dogma and patterns of thinking recur as human universal's.
I love your videos, but youtube putting ads every couple of minutes is making this one unwatchable.I made it about halfway before I couldn't take it any more
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
"The wicked shall burn!" This is my biggest problem with all religions. Acts of hatred and vengeance are what have brought the world to its knees. Isn't evil towards those that do evil and endorsement of its use?!
I disagree with the "nasty, Brutish and Short" lives of our ancestors. Think about the great temples and monuments they made. The cave paintings shows they were sitting around and drew on the walls to pass the time. Jewelry shows they had time to spend with unnecessary personal hygiene. These are hardly examples of people just fighting to survive.
One day, you and everyone you love will die. And beyond a small group of people for an extremely brief period of time, little of what you say or do will ever matter. This is the Uncomfortable Truth of life. And everything you think or do is but an elaborate avoidance of it. We are inconsequential cosmic dust, bumping and milling about on a tiny blue speck. We imagine our own importance. We invent our purpose-we are nothing.
I really love christianity and other abrahamic religions. But in the same way someone might love Egyptian mythology. As a fantasy writer, I love looking to the Bible for ideas for characters and events. When playing D&D, I love playing those latin catholic chants when my players encounter a god or godlike being. It is really inspirational. My problem is with the people who practice the beliefs in a militant manor.
Any atheists here into metal music? What's your favorite record from 2020? Mine is from Igorrr "Spirituality and Distortion"... I'm not sure if it really is promoting spirituality. I'm certainly a fan of rituals but not in any spiritual sense. I love going to see/hear live music and look forward to doing so again... maybe by this time next year (in USA).
Okay...don't take this the wrong way, but there are different versions of Samsara. If you're talking Hinduism and Jainism, yes, it IS transmigration, since both believe in a soul, but no, it doesn't mean that you, oh how special, oh how precious, will be incarnated ass a god, while the jerk who cut you off in traffic will be incarnated as a slug. "Karma" means "action", so it all depends on your actions, rather than on how OTHERS judge them. The dude who cut you off could have been driving his in-labour wife to the hospital to give an emergency birth: circumstances are taken into account here. If you're talking the Buddhist version, though, they have a doctrine called "Anatman", or "no self". In other words, there is no YOU to be reincarnated, so it's the aggregates of "your" Karma that are put together into a new body, or bodies. For myself, though, since I'm a Pantheist who doesn't believe in an afterlife, my version of reincarnation is more in line with the version put forth by the philosopher Alan Watts, if you know who he was. He believed that, basically, if you can be born once IT, the process itself, could happen again, but the WHOLE UNIVERSE is you, because it took the machinations of the whole Universe to make the body you have now. And since it happened once, when you die and your body breaks down, all of the literal cells that make you up go into the birth of new things: plants, people, animals...everything comes out of everything else. There doesn't need to be a permanent "you", and there doesn't even need to be Karma coming together into a new body or bodies. Basically, there just has to be nutrients, which, to be fair, there ARE, since plants come out of organic life under the ground, and when our bodies break down, they become the ground. The entire Universe is one big recycling plant, basically. So it's not "Samsara" so much as it is recycling. And this theory is consistent with science, too. You might, you MIGHT, like Watts, though he was cremated as a Mahayana Buddhist, so, technically, he was religious in that sense, but I really do look at him more as a Pantheist. Maybe just because I want to claim a fantastically intelligent individual for my own "team", mind, but there you go.
About the snake thing...that makes me think of the speculated origins of dragons. Wings and claws like those of birds of prey that can surprise monkeys from above; strong 4-legged bodies like lions; and scales and a head like that looks like a snake or a crocodile...and the venom, that can burn like fire. I'm sure the dragon's bones or dino bones also helped a lot.
I have always thought that it must have been terrifying to early man that any creature could move without legs. Not understanding how that was possible probably led to a lot of angst and fear. I would be willing to bet that ambulation without appendages is why snakes figure so prominently in religious ideology.
@@Robert-yc9ql Haha that's a good point! At least birds have limbs they use to move and you can feel the wind beating if they flap them, at least fish have fins and their movement can seem to make some sense. At least caterpillars walk silly, but snakes...yuck, they're abominations!
Yeah. It’s like video games You act all violent and live out your war-mongering fantasies while knowing that everything is ok and that you’ll all go home to have fun at the end of the day.
Jesus died for our sin - yet sin still exist Mohammed split the moon - yet the moon can be seen to be whole Odin battled and banished the frost giants - have not seen a frost giant yet so being fair believe in Odin is far more reasonable
@@BlacksmithTWD He didn't say it makes sense to believe in Odin, it doesn't because you still don't have the evidence. But it's even worse to believe something that contradicts the facts.
@@deathwatch1980 r/woosh yourself. "jesus died for our sin" doesn't mean "jesus died so sin won't exist anymore" it means "jesus died so our sins can be forgiven" You are trying to be funny at the cost of misrepresenting the beliefs of a large group of people, yet make claims about what would be more reasonable.
“The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black, While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair. Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw, And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own.” ― Xenophanes
I note how Christ is often depicted like a Hollywood filmstar in the West complete with blonde hair. I've seen statues of the Virgin Mary as a young sort of 25 year old holding a crucifix!
-Matter didn’t create anti matter -Anti matter didn’t create matter (Both of them were present at the time of big bang) -Both of them didn’t create themselves. -Both of them came from an unimaginable source, that unimaginable source created matter and antimatter (everything) thats why it is known as “the creator” of everything. ------ - that unimaginable source/creator has created sin and virtue which are opposite to each other, - logic says every action has its own reaction, so the reaction of sin must be different than the reaction of virtue, - the creator has created prophets to let us know about each and every detail of sin and virtue, also about their reactions, Thank u :)
@@rationalityrules How can you claim to be rational rules with your irrational, non scientific Atheist beliefs? Especially considering there is “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God? No Atheist in the world can use the scientific method to verify or falsify the scientific evidence. In fact I have never seen an Atheist from the videos brave and honest enough to come into the comment section and confront the “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God. Most remain silent, and hide. So just what are you all afraid of????
It's crazy how most people rely on religion to give their lives "meaning and value." Our emotional experiences only have the meaning WE GIVE THEM. I just shared a ridiculous video on my channel of two religious people trying to figure out which "spiritual experiences" was Real. Much needed comic-relief. ;)
If you are just a product of a meaningless universe your rationality would say then there is no such thing as meaning. Does the universe have emotional experiences? If it does, it is a metaphysical universe and not a material one. If you impute meaning on emotional experiences you have become a religion of one. So if more than one, let's say millions agree to collectively agree to do the same how can they be anymore foolish than you? You impute meaning just like they do and according to atheism that is irrational.
Stephen : "I could go on for hours..." Me : Yes please I wish you would. Can you please produce a longer video based on the subject matter of this one? In fact, any longer format videos from you would be greatly appreciated.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYT Symbolic 7:1-11 "and Charles screamed: Built from blind faith Passed down from self-induced fantasy Turn a page to justify Conjuring power, it opens wide On your seventh day, is that how it's done? Twisting your eyes to perceive all that you want? To assume from ignorance, Inflicting wounds with your cross-turned dagger"
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
I was raised in a CoE and then Lutheran churches until i was about 14. And have been atheist since about 16. Being raised, not only in the church, but into 2 denominations, has given me a first hand perspective of what i regard as the enemy of humanity.
@@KurtFrederiksen | Just what in the world are You on about? "Threshold?" And what "facts" do You think I am "disreard[ing]?" Do please be detailed and specific. [smile]
@@AnEvolvingApe | It surely made comparative looks far more unbiased when I looked into what was out there. Gems of truth in mountains of dogma, I found.
As long as there is a fear of death and afterlife being unknown, there will always be religion. I think when humans embrace genetic engineering then religion will disappear completely, GE has the power to stop death and to change us into something that is not human.
@@EvolvedParasite In my perspective, education would be the death of religion. Schools purposefully omit topics like Darwinian evolution to keep kids in the religion, and most atheist I know, including myself, actually got out of religion not because of any psychological reasons, but because of proper education. We were indoctrinated at birth and kept unaware of modern science. Even well educated theists still have no basic idea about evolution so that proves my claims. Give the kids freedom of choice and properly educate them and you'll see religion die out.
Data shows no such thing. Statistical predictions show "nones" decreasing by percent over the next 50 years, The big winner is expected to be Islam, which will pass Christianity.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
While most sects of Christians associate Genesis' serpent with the Devil (something not actually stated), in the vast majority of religions serpents are bringers of wisdom. Some see Genesis' serpent as a wisdom bringer in that the "fruit" is from the tree of the "Knowledge of Good and Evil". This is a loss of a metaphorical "innocence", the beginning of true independence, self-determination, or as I look at it, the loss of a "spiritual" state of awareness for inundation into a "body consciousness" or what Hindus would call maya. A complex subject for such a short answer.
I got my very religious mom to check out "Debunked". She read through the cards and shook her head with a smile ....but I saw her brow furrow at a few cards. So as far as I'm concerned that means the game has done its job
I freed my mom from the the fear and immoral middle eastern religion in about 20 years. When I started to save her she was about 55 years old. I mostly spoke with her about the scientific method and shared scientific discoveries with her. The improbability of the supernatural she was a conclusion that she had to come to or stop talking to me about science. I have saved a few people from the fear (though they always claim joy), but my mom was the most satisfying.
@@bearlemley Can you explain your method of de-converting in-depth please? When exactly do you bring up the improbability of the supernatural? What topics do you first introduce the person to?
@@randomblueguy I would do as follows: Teach her what fallacies are, and why it's important to avoid using them. Don't forget to mention fallacy fallacy. Talk about the power of "I don't know". Make sure you have same understanding of the words. Then teach how to think, by showing common fallacies with multiple non-religious examples. This might take weeks. Ask if she cares about the truth. If she doesn't, bring that up every time she tries to argue with you, but otherwise don't push your ideas on her. If everything goes as planned and she cares about accurate understanding of reality, ask what she believes and why. Don't forget to mention, that, if she has to ask others why she should believe, she's of course allowed to do that, but that it also implies she does not seem to have a good reason to believe. If she says something that sounds wrong, don't say that it's wrong, but rather ask her to explain it. Let her figure out why it might be wrong. Other than that, be open-minded and willing to change your mind. Ask questions and listen carefully. Repeat her ideas back to her like "If I understand you correctly, you are saying...". Maybe watch Anthony Magnabosco's videos about _Street Epistemology._
As a Sociologist & Psychologist, I think you've raised many salient points that merit further discussion. Looking forward to your follow up, should there be one.
@@timetoreason181 Peterson's contributions to the discourse, while irksome are a feature of the landscape. I'd include them where and if appropriate but I agree, he's not everyone's cup of tea.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@elontusk610 the religious are everyones enemies. The enemy of free speech and especially the enemy of gay people. Or atheist religious institutions are the enemies of everyone and everything. I've been saying atheist instead of at least sense I became one a couple months ago. Because I'm stupid and think its funny for some reason lol
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
Religions use their God as an 'excuse' for their bad behaviors! They believe this fiction of their imagination will forgive them of their immoral actions which they refuse to take personal responsibility.
Also they claim to feel a true and deeper sense of guilt for being a sinner that atheist couldn't; thereby making themselves superior because their faith will save them.
We all take responsibility for everything we do.this is why we deserve to go hell.every single person supposed to Hell.but Jesus die for all every single sin you do.all you need to do believe him an trust on him.
It is sunday today here in the philippines.i walked out of our church to check my phone and saw this yt notification of RR.never clicked that fast.my parents are religious my father is a pastor,every sunday i play keys on our church.im an atheist and it is so hard for me to do this.i would like thank RR,cosmic skeptic,GMS for opening my eyes and always comforting me with these informative videos.
So many people in your congregation are atheists/agnostic. Everybody plays the game when they are young and many continue to when they are adults. If youcan take some solace in knowing you're not nearly as alone as you think.
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
@@HarmzConscious Let's say all of that is true. What's wrong with being brainwashed by science? For all I know science does not care what you do with your life.
Are there other good examples of religions that have faded away because their theology was heavily based around socio-cultural-political conditions that ceased to exist?
I can't think of any, however there are many whose disappearance was a product of both theological irrelevancy and outside social pressure. Otherwise stated as, people won't abandon an idea which ceases to serve them without another idea to replace it with... or in the terms of the internet "right", people won't abide a god shaped hole in their lives.
Being only familiar with Christianity , the Christian belief certainly altered as it became legitimised by the Roman Empire and it evolved to absorb Roman rituals into its church e.g. the morphing of the Roman emperor into the leader of the church and giving him theological validity as Christ’s representative on earth. Before this Christianity was a hodge podge of minority cults in the Middle East and the eastern Mediterranean . The Egyptian religion became redundant as Graeco-Roman colonisation and settlement became the dominant socio-political force. Russian Orthodox Church in Russia certainly shrank in the face of soviet socio-political conditions only to now experience a renaissance since it re-identifies with Russian nationalism under Putin’s Russia .
Personally I find this view to be very reductive. Most religions that died out did so due to a range of factors. Frankly the most common is military defeat. This even had a role in the broad conversion of the Norse to Christianity. The Norse didn't convert when they were beating the piss out of the Saxons and Romans, they did it when they started losing battles and their strongest military leaders decided to convert and in doing so gained allies. I doubt strongly that scholars of religion would agree with this interpretation of events.
Really excellent video! I particularly like the way you hold up the mirror of religions we know (with "easy confidence") are mythologies. It is an effective way of bypassing defence mechanisms. We see with such clarity, the foolishness of others.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Happy New Year, Stephen! I hope to get down 15 or 20kg this year, as well. I'm also taking up the ukelele - because the world just needs me to, i think. Cheers.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
@@HarmzConscious Let me just say God is probably not real. Religious people are just people brainwashed by theology, by religion into thinking somethings are not deserving of scientific explanation. Coincidences do occur, when you think of someone and they appear around the corner, that someone was probably already walking towards that corner before you began thinking of them. Be blessed
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
"religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool" - Mark Twain I have my own quote that's a little less insulting: "Religion was made when the cavemen first heard lightning*" - Caseh *saw lightning I can't believe I'm so dumb
@@caseh4235 At least now you have an indication of the possibility that originally the religion(s) may not have been as silly as some people today seem to believe they are. People make mistakes, if the mistakes gets copied rather than corrected, the end outcome hardly has anything to do with what was originally stated. You are not an idiot, at least you are able to notice the mistake you made and corrected it, it's the people who won't even bother to look at their own claims when you attempt to point out a mistake they made who are the real idiots. The more we learn from mistakes we made, the less of an idiot we become.
Yeah, the religion of the vikings is such that it is hard to imagine that anyone believed it. But the video puts their world into the context of their times that it makes as much sense as any other religion.
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
I have to say, I wholeheartedly agree with you on this atheistic position - it's been something I've thought about for so so long but have always found it hard to explain to people. But you've put it into clearer words than I could. Thanks for this!
How I see religion? I'll put it like this. When one person has an imaginary friend he's talking to you'd call him crazy. When millions do it you call it religion.
@@FendiYT "God cannot be mocked"- Yeeaah, you might need a rain check on that. God's gotta be the most negligent parent in the universe. If humans were "created in God's image", does that mean God has an appendix? Is he undernourished like the billions of people in third-world countries? Or obese like the billion people in first-world countries? Seems kinda misogynistic to CHOOSE to look like an old bearded MAN. Doesn't the other 50% of humanity deserve proportionate representation? And what kind of asshole invents friction? Now none of humanity's inventions will ever be 100% efficient. D*ckhead.
When I was young, I saw a film where they said people believe in religion because they want meaning in their lives. But if we find value in something eles, and life is still meaningful without religion, does it matter if people doesn't care about there religion and get busy with their lives? The religious people I know are really worried that society is being more secular and we are forgetting god. But I don't think it matters if the society is happy that way.
belief is the assumption that something is a fact without the presence of knowledge. wanting something to be a fact has no influence whatsoever on that thing being a fact or fiction at the moment. these people seem to either believe that the whole universe revolves around them (magically bends to their will) or they are unable to understand simple terms and concepts or basics of logical reasoning (i.e. their "reason" to believe is a non sequitur like "you should brush your teeth after each meal because dogs are capable of body language"). you probably know that already, but I just wanted to point that out because it happens so often and is so rarely addressed.
@@TheFeralcatz A lot of the suicide and depression of Atheists is caused by the simple fact that they are often rejected by their family friends and society once they leave their faith and it is more of a reflection of how abhorrent religion is to non believers than than Atheism itself. As the Atheist community grows there are more avenues for new Atheists to meet like minded people that give them the support they need.
@@sulas548 First of all Atheists are way less oppressed than they deserve to be. Second I was making a point about the increasing rates of suicide and depression in our secular dystopian hellscape as a whole. Not Atheists specifically.
@@TheFeralcatz "First of all Atheists are way less oppressed than they deserve to be" Wow, that was a hate filled bigoted and vile thing to say. You must be a Christian of the religion of love, do you want to live in a theocracy? Are you one of these people that think there was a time in the past where life was better and people were happier because they were believers? Christianity had two thousand years of brutal control and if you were to study history you would discover that religion was responsible for mass misery and life today is far far better than at any time in the past. Also look at the happiness levels in countries that have managed to rid themselves of this horrid religion. Scandinavian countries score far higher than all the religious ones on every single metric of crime, happiness and wellbeing. Would you rather live in predominantly Atheist Norway with a murder rate of .5 per 100,000 or very religious El Salvador at 82.84 per 100,000? The simple fact that you allow your revolting religion to fill you full of such hatred is very sad indeed. Shame on you.
That was concise & outstanding in a plethora of ways. Much cudos to you wordsmith. I feel even Hitchens may have reflected with admiration & taken a few notes for future debate.
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
I couldn't agree more. You are one of the very few public atheists that I still like after 2020. You are one of the few that managed to keep their integrity and actually cares about reality and facts.
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYTLiars always claim that they tell the “truth”, and John if the Bible is no exception. “Truth social” is another example of a place filled with untruthful blarney.
I've been juggling very similar thoughts recently as well. I agree with the evolutionary roots of religion. We weren't this decadent in our entire evolutionary history, so it can be hard to empathize with our ancestors that lived in a crueler world, where they had no clue if they were eating tomorrow. As we got more of our basic needs covered, with the agricultural revolution, we ended up with more stable lives, and more time to think of our existence, and our lives, and then met with the nihilist nature of this world that we would not cope with, and thus made up reasons and answers.
@@FendiYT Stop worshiping a book written by ignorant primitives thousands of years ago. They were just lost, hopeless, and confused about their existence, and wanted answers.
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Hardly an original concept, which makes him a hack writer - I bet he had family in publishing. How else does such tripe make it to print? I'd rather read Obama's daddy issues book...
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Your snake theory is interesting, but what about cats? Cats were a major predatory threat to evolved primates for millions of years, and now days, we respect, love, idolize, and, dare I say, lionize them. In fact, most mammalian predators are seen in a generally good light in many societies, so long as they aren't killing the livestock.
Hey rationality rules, I just wan to offer my support. May you be happy, peaceful, and free from worry. Please make sure to take care of yourself. You deserve the best.
Weinstein idea of religions as literally false, but metaphorical true needs more convincing examples than the very few he does. But a fine narrative -echoes so much of my own thinking but much more spontaneous & articulate than I could do. Great points. Will be posted on my fb page, as already are a few.
There are plenty of examples of this phenomenon. It's not exclusive to organized religion, have a look at all those things parents say to their children in an attempt to get them to behave better like: Don't make weird faces, cuz when the clock strikes your face will be like that forever. If you hit your mom, you hands will grow above your grave. If you don't behave, Santa will only bring you coal. I'd consider 'practical true' a better word for this category of phenomenons, as we already have such a thing as metaphorical true and it means something vastly different, having more to do with figurative speech.
One day, you and everyone you love will die. And beyond a small group of people for an extremely brief period of time, little of what you say or do will ever matter. This is the Uncomfortable Truth of life. And everything you think or do is but an elaborate avoidance of it. We are inconsequential cosmic dust, bumping and milling about on a tiny blue speck. We imagine our own importance. We invent our purpose-we are nothing
@@cy-one there is just a lot of dialogue in that show about philosophical concepts such as the whole problem with how if God created the universe exactly the way he wanted it and knows the future then how do we have freewill? And if we do not have freewill then how can we be held accountable for our “sin” if we were always going to commit that sin? There’s a lot of dialogue between characters about the gods and determinism vs freewill. It just made me start questioning what I had been taught to believe.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
Normal religions like christianity, judiasm, hinduism, shintoism, and buddhism merely disappoint me. Crazy religions like islam, jehovah's witness, mormonism, and various cults anger me and make me scared of humanity annihilating its self.
@RR Particular good video this one. Nice work Stephen. Speaking of good work: I got my copy of Debunked delivered to be here in the Antipodes a few weeks back. Played it with my nephews who attend a Catholic school (which is unfortunately the best affordable school in my city) - the conversations were enlightening! Multiple times when I explained the actual full "argument", they responded "Really!!!? People believe that?" LoL! I consider the 3 game session to be rather like an inoculation against the fallacious thinking that places them at risk of indoctrination. So, thank you Stephen - it's worth every cent! 👍😁 Will need an expansion though - 10 arguments means the game gets stale quickly. Perhaps, famous non-religious fallacious philosophical arguments, or political ones. Ohhhh... *A conspiratorial thinking edition!* This is something people need saving from also, and the game format is a nice non-threatening approach.
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Only because you don't understand what is being said, valhalla is a place you go to prepare to fight in ragnarok. Heaven according to Christianity is a place you can go after death to be with God, the difference is in heaven you learn a lot more about the nature of sin than you would in valhalla. You can sin in heaven, but you won't want to.
I was raised as a catholic and forced to attend Sunday school against my will. I hated it when I was young. I disagreed everything that was taught to me in Sunday school. I told my parents that I converted to Buddhism after turning 16. They didn’t take the news very well.
Well, it’s an improvement. That’s like switching from cocaine to weed...still a drug, but not nearly as self-destructive or overbearing. Cheers on finding your own way!
@@SuperrBoyful nope. I'm a pretty happy guy and I see no convincing reason to believe that there was any kind of intent behind the existence of the universe.
@@SuperrBoyful ahh yes, the "No True Scotsman" Fallacy. Don't gatekeep happiness, okay buddy? I got a good family, good education, good health, and enough wealth. I like my life
@@pranavflame I'm a cranky old dude to be sure, but happy enough. I think Banner doesn't get the difference between bliss and happiness. Ignorance is bliss, right?
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
I have gone through some rough times in my life, and even when things were at its worst, I mentally made the effort to avoid turning to religion. It was more my own survival instinct to not allow convenient comfort when I am at my most vulnerable. There will be costs for that comfort you will never pay if your life were better.
10:00 "None of us will perish in combat." Speak for yourself! I joined the military with a direct combat job at eighteen and years later, since I wasn't killed in combat, I went to Syria as a private volunteer in 2012. Survived that shit, too. My wife won't let me go to combat anymore, but don't you worry, though. You'll have one subscriber headed to Valhalla if I outlive her somehow. Edit: I love "Debunked" by the way.
Another ex-military guy here. When I heard you say "none of us will die in combat" my first reaction was to wonder what world you are living in. Really the only reason you can sit there in your warm house and make videos is because brave people go out into the world and defeat the monsters that you'd otherwise have to face yourself. I mean, I understand that there is a large portion of the population for whom military service or law enforcement is something that only the "proles" do....but to pretend it isn't a thing anymore? Sheesh. Maybe I am being too harsh. In my family, we take a hard look at places like Iraq/Syria or El Salvador and decide we don't want animals like ISIS or MS13 running amok where we live, so we consider risking our lives in service to whack those moles when they pop up to be a viable and morally good option. Unfortunately nowadays, there are many parents who would cry, wail, and consider themselves to have failed if their offspring chose to join the Marines instead of go to college.
@@bbainter7880 "Really the only reason you can sit there in your warm house and make videos is because brave people go out into the world and defeat the monsters that you'd otherwise have to face yourself." I hate to break this to you but no western military action conducted since WW2 has actually served to make western countries safer or protect us from anything. In fact everything they've done particularly since the Gulf War has made the world as a whole less safe. You talk about not wanting people (yes people. Not animals though I'm sure dehumanizing them makes it much easier to live with the violence you've been involved in perpetrating for no good reason) like ISIS running amok when America and its illegal wars are what lead directly to their existence. Much like Americas war on drugs lead directly to the inevitable existence of groups like MS13. I suggest you ditch the jingoism because frankly it's a cult like mentality all of its own that blinds you both to the actual causes of the problems you decry and the role you end up playing in creating and perpetuating them. And to be clear I say this as someone who is not inherently opposed to military intervention. There are times when military intervention is required. The aforementioned WW2 being a great example or my own countries long history of peace keeping operations whose scope was largely to protect civilians in regional conflicts. But if you think fighting in illegal and unjustified wars against problems your country created and which the wars serve no purpose other than to exacerbate based on all available evidence is a viable and morally good option then you've bought into the cult of american imperialism hook, line, and sinker and you and every other person alive owe it to themselves and to the rest of the human race to find better paths forward. I'm genuinely sorry that you view your service as positively as you do because the actual outcomes show your service accomplished nothing beyond making the world a worse place for everyone. Even people in the west. I am very sorry that you've bought into imperialistic nonsense and even more sorry that you likely have friends who also bought in and who died for less than nothing. But yes, while I'm not a parent, if I were I would consider myself to have failed if any child of mine viewed military intervention and service the way you do because the way you view such service is nothing but myth divorced from the reality of its actual effects on the world. I have no inherent problem with military's existing or with anyone choosing to serve. I do have a problem with perpetuating bad reasons for both though.
@@bbainter7880 I'm a German. Statistically speaking, our military is a rounding error compared to the size of our population. Taking it one step more, combat fatalities within our military are even more so within statistical fuzziness. So yes, "none of us will die in combat" is pretty much true, just not 100% scientifically accurate. As an example, and taking only Afghanistan for this statistic: In the 13 years of 2002-2015, the USA has lost ~2.355 men in the Afghanistan conflict. The US armed forces number roughly 1.3 million men. That's 0,18% losses. Compared to the US population of ~328 million people, that's 0,00071%. So yeah, when speaking colloquially about probabilities, "no one of us" is going to die in combat. PS: Math might not be correct, but the absolute numbers are.
I love the fact Stephen is genuinely trying to find the baby in the bath water. There does seem to be a deep message within all religions depending on the sect you focus on. Esoteric Christianity/Gnosticism- Christianity Sufism - Islam Zen - Buddhism Taoist philosophy - Taoism Hindu philosophy/ chakra system - Hinduism Teachings of Thoth - Egyptian These are to name a few religions that all share the same message of a higher perspective, unburdened by our ego. It’s a lot to take in but they all seem to speak of understanding the nature of the ego and psychological behaviour that will benefit our wellbeing.
Also Stephen if you read this I run a TH-cam channel based on growing myself and my understanding of reality (whatever the fuck reality is). I’d love the chance to talk to you a bit more about this in detail. If there’s any bullshit in my reasoning you’re the one that I feel will be able to flush it out
@@steelsurfercore5642 I don’t disagree with any point that video made. The philosophies in those religious sects do not make claims of knowing what started all this. These religions are all forms of deism (as far as understand) All these philosophies do is grant you knowledge of self.
Ego is the cause of all human suffering and we should be destroying our ego because if we destroy it, we can break the 3,000+ years of suffering, war and conflict that humanity keeps forcing to repeat. One day, you and everyone you love will die. And beyond a small group of people for an extremely brief period of time, little of what you say or do will ever matter. This is the Uncomfortable Truth of life. And everything you think or do is but an elaborate avoidance of it. We are inconsequential cosmic dust, bumping and milling about on a tiny blue speck. We imagine our own importance. We invent our purpose-we are nothing.
I disagree with Jordan Peterson on many things, but his thesis on the origins of religion is something that I feel resonates. Strange thing is, in his mind, he will go on about the purely natural and evolutionary beginnings and utility of religion, its motifs and archetypes, and then proclaim belief in Jesus is therefore justified. It’s like watching a magic show in Vegas, and then your mate tells you in great detail how the illusionist did all the tricks, and then he claims this is why he believes in magic. Bizarre.
I magine Peterson not only draws from Jung but also "The Golden Bough" of Frazier, which deserves a dust off.
If you find his words on religion interesting, then I fail to see what's left of him for you to disagree with.
His other topics being the differences and complementarity between men and women; the necessity of hierarchies; and the corruption of the left : all three sound, valid and sourced.
Would you be so kind as to point to his mistakes ?
Lol he's logical and completely convincing in everything but religion
@@MasterChakra7 It's all intuitively correct if you have those biases. I find it incredibly offensive and wrong headed in the modern world. To hold that these superstitions and demonization of others (the left for instance) have any remaining value is like saying that warfare in Norway once had utility of keeping down the male population, so we should continue fighting modern war.
@@drewharrison6433 you are right, I hate when, in the general case of USA, the left composed by different and many diverse ideologies is called communist and throw to the trash, hating communism might had a good use to fight against the USSR in the past, but it's time to move on and start accepting and hearing others.
This sums it up a quote from Mark Twain:
“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool
Nice
Which is exactly why Twain was a deist instead haha
Atheism is another faith that worships the forces of nature.
@@mazen1010 No. that’s animism.
Sounds about right. Pretty sure Clemens was a deist.
That was top flight, sir. Wonderful and lucid observation of things we hold true but don’t know why. Proud to support your work. (And Mr Deity even referenced you! Good company to be in.)
Thanks Richard : ) I got a reference from Mr Deity? Hell yeah!
Really liked this one! Sharp, well prepared, and educational. Cheers my brother!
I see religion as a perfect example of humanity’s attempt to control its circumstances - personal, environmental etc etc.
We have worshipped everything. It is usually things we have no control over and so, through religion and rituals, we seek to control the uncontrollable be it weather, the sun, oceans, vulcanoes, dangerous animals, diseases, love, fertility, and practically everything else including societal behaviour. The big one of course is the inevitability of death.
Great video.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYT the bible cannot proof god's existence. Its like having a cult member claiming that their cult is absolutely right and people should believe because the cult said they're right.
The bible claims that god exist, and if god exist that proves the bible, its a cycle. This is why believers have a hard time breaking out of their religion. Think for a moment in another way, the bible claims that god exist, what if he does not? Its not like the bible have any more evidences than just claims. If you think this way, its easy to see that the bible is just a compilation of irrational claims that god exist.
So, so, so good! I love how you are weaving in the evolutionary perspective and do not just shit on Christianity as so many channels so. At this point, pointing out the absurdity of evangelicals is not exactly moving the discussion forward.
Always love seeing when a new piece from you pops into my feed. Good luck with your weight lose goal (I am 10 down, 30 to go) and look forward to your next video.
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
Christianity got started about 2K years ago when an April Fool's joke got wayyyyyyyyyyyyy the fuck out of hand.
Religion to me is like a cult where a fairy tale big brother in charge watch’s over you.
"WE are Gods favourite toy!"- "no God is our favourite toy!"
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
How can you prove logically that God doesn't exist?
@@abuzarghafari7893 now that is like praying to God and asking him to make you 30 years younger, and you wake up in your diapers being only 1 year old.
@@wolfsonn4061
If even you are logical then how can your God be illogical, is it possible?
@@abuzarghafari7893 God is a construction of faith with far too many variations to be true - look for God if you need it but make a wise choice as there are thousands to choose from and all have one thing in common you call they don't answer!
Write a book!!!!
This was totally fascinating and if you could go on for hours then put it in print.
Thank you. 💕
Yes
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYT
And your point is . . . . . . ?
@@fpcoleman57 "And your point is . . . . . . ?"
@@fpcoleman57 probably from a butt hurt evangelist who is desperately trying to prove unicorns exist because his neighbour said so. So much desperation due to delusion. Just ignore fools, waste of our precious time, not to go waste. Cheers.
My New Year's resolution is to stop making New Year's resolutions, just like last year. I hope it works this time.
Keep trying, sooner or later you will succeed! I made the same New year's Resolution years ago, and after a few false starts, it worked for me.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
That Mark Twain quote is so good. I don't know if it's true, but the idea of the first con-man bullshitting with the first fool, and the first fool eating it up is hilarious.
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."
Your intellect and exposition get better by the day Steve! Enjoyed that!!!
This is probably the one of the least subjective religion videos i have ever seen including the other ones on your channel. Great video, I would like to see more videos on the same topic
Can you so an hour long video :p, this one is one of my faves :) you speak more truth talking about religion than any Christian I have ever had a convosation with, and the prospective you take I 100% agree with, amazing video
Well said Mr Rationality Rules. 👍👏 great presentation.
Samurai culture was similar to Norse in that Buddhism said how you live and die will pass on to your family and tribe. It wasn't until Buddhism reached Japan about 500 AD that this way of thinking was subsumed into the culture and you had honour, Seppuku and Kamikaze all molded from Buddhism which kept warriors fighting beyond what they would usually do and ultimately taking their lives if they didn't act honourably or didn't have the chance to. All very utilitarian - at least at first.
Brilliant analysis of the potential importance and relevance of snakes as a motif in human cultures ... I think a deeper investigation on religious archetypes would be a great addition to the content of this channel. It's like beating a dead horse every time we argue against religious ideas in light of rationalism and empiricism -- I think it's time to distil the baby from the bath water and seek explanations as to why religious dogma and patterns of thinking recur as human universal's.
I love your videos, but youtube putting ads every couple of minutes is making this one unwatchable.I made it about halfway before I couldn't take it any more
Your videos are amazing i can listen to you all day
Your axe is sharp, Woodford. Valhalla awaits!
We will dine in the Great Halls, sir!
May we hew each others skulls then share a cold brew afterwards for all eternity.
Good day and a happy new year my fellow hominid.
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYT because you fail to provide a shred of evidence to support your claims.
Bumblebee joke really gets me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Another intelligent and well researched amazingly researched presentation thank you very much
"The wicked shall burn!" This is my biggest problem with all religions. Acts of hatred and vengeance are what have brought the world to its knees. Isn't evil towards those that do evil and endorsement of its use?!
Is justice a concept that has no meaning for you?......;)........
I disagree with the "nasty, Brutish and Short" lives of our ancestors. Think about the great temples and monuments they made.
The cave paintings shows they were sitting around and drew on the walls to pass the time.
Jewelry shows they had time to spend with unnecessary personal hygiene.
These are hardly examples of people just fighting to survive.
Those are relatively recent ancestors. Think further back.
One day, you and everyone you love will die. And beyond a small group of people for an extremely brief period of time, little of what you say or do will ever matter. This is the Uncomfortable Truth of life. And everything you think or do is but an elaborate avoidance of it. We are inconsequential cosmic dust, bumping and milling about on a tiny blue speck. We imagine our own importance. We invent our purpose-we are nothing.
This is great!!
I really love christianity and other abrahamic religions. But in the same way someone might love Egyptian mythology. As a fantasy writer, I love looking to the Bible for ideas for characters and events. When playing D&D, I love playing those latin catholic chants when my players encounter a god or godlike being. It is really inspirational. My problem is with the people who practice the beliefs in a militant manor.
Sky burial seems pretty fucking cool in my opinion
Any atheists here into metal music? What's your favorite record from 2020? Mine is from Igorrr "Spirituality and Distortion"... I'm not sure if it really is promoting spirituality. I'm certainly a fan of rituals but not in any spiritual sense. I love going to see/hear live music and look forward to doing so again... maybe by this time next year (in USA).
Well judging by using the clip from vikings inn the beginning i think i know the reason for recent undercut
...why is Keanu in the thumbnail...???
Okay...don't take this the wrong way, but there are different versions of Samsara. If you're talking Hinduism and Jainism, yes, it IS transmigration, since both believe in a soul, but no, it doesn't mean that you, oh how special, oh how precious, will be incarnated ass a god, while the jerk who cut you off in traffic will be incarnated as a slug. "Karma" means "action", so it all depends on your actions, rather than on how OTHERS judge them. The dude who cut you off could have been driving his in-labour wife to the hospital to give an emergency birth: circumstances are taken into account here. If you're talking the Buddhist version, though, they have a doctrine called "Anatman", or "no self". In other words, there is no YOU to be reincarnated, so it's the aggregates of "your" Karma that are put together into a new body, or bodies. For myself, though, since I'm a Pantheist who doesn't believe in an afterlife, my version of reincarnation is more in line with the version put forth by the philosopher Alan Watts, if you know who he was. He believed that, basically, if you can be born once IT, the process itself, could happen again, but the WHOLE UNIVERSE is you, because it took the machinations of the whole Universe to make the body you have now. And since it happened once, when you die and your body breaks down, all of the literal cells that make you up go into the birth of new things: plants, people, animals...everything comes out of everything else. There doesn't need to be a permanent "you", and there doesn't even need to be Karma coming together into a new body or bodies. Basically, there just has to be nutrients, which, to be fair, there ARE, since plants come out of organic life under the ground, and when our bodies break down, they become the ground. The entire Universe is one big recycling plant, basically. So it's not "Samsara" so much as it is recycling. And this theory is consistent with science, too. You might, you MIGHT, like Watts, though he was cremated as a Mahayana Buddhist, so, technically, he was religious in that sense, but I really do look at him more as a Pantheist. Maybe just because I want to claim a fantastically intelligent individual for my own "team", mind, but there you go.
About the snake thing...that makes me think of the speculated origins of dragons. Wings and claws like those of birds of prey that can surprise monkeys from above; strong 4-legged bodies like lions; and scales and a head like that looks like a snake or a crocodile...and the venom, that can burn like fire. I'm sure the dragon's bones or dino bones also helped a lot.
I have always thought that it must have been terrifying to early man that any creature could move without legs. Not understanding how that was possible probably led to a lot of angst and fear. I would be willing to bet that ambulation without appendages is why snakes figure so prominently in religious ideology.
@@Robert-yc9ql Haha that's a good point! At least birds have limbs they use to move and you can feel the wind beating if they flap them, at least fish have fins and their movement can seem to make some sense. At least caterpillars walk silly, but snakes...yuck, they're abominations!
if nothing else. the word "going to Valhalla" sounds muuuuuuch cooler than going to heaven
Some people take valhalla too serious as well...
Yeah. It’s like video games
You act all violent and live out your war-mongering fantasies while knowing that everything is ok and that you’ll all go home to have fun at the end of the day.
@@TheIfifi the valkyries won't be taking you to Valhalla you disbeliever, anti-war, rationalist.
Valhalla I'm coommmiiiiiiiing
Servicing wenches umm
Holy cow! Jesus looked like Keanu Reeves.
Same person.
You made my day!
Cow=Jesus
Woah.
@@JustN0tMe Vacca (cine) =Cow
Jesus died for our sin - yet sin still exist
Mohammed split the moon - yet the moon can be seen to be whole
Odin battled and banished the frost giants - have not seen a frost giant yet
so being fair believe in Odin is far more reasonable
Only for those adhering to the "I fit in my jacket, my jacket fits in my suitcase, so I must fit in my suitcase" kind of logic.
@@BlacksmithTWD He didn't say it makes sense to believe in Odin, it doesn't because you still don't have the evidence. But it's even worse to believe something that contradicts the facts.
@@BlacksmithTWD r/woosh
@@Aura-bu9jb
What belief contradicting the facts are you talking about?
@@deathwatch1980
r/woosh yourself. "jesus died for our sin" doesn't mean "jesus died so sin won't exist anymore" it means "jesus died so our sins can be forgiven"
You are trying to be funny at the cost of misrepresenting the beliefs of a large group of people, yet make claims about what would be more reasonable.
“The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black,
While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair.
Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw,
And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods
Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape
Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own.”
― Xenophanes
I guess Xenophanes never was exposed to Egyptian gods.
I note how Christ is often depicted like a Hollywood filmstar in the West complete with blonde hair. I've seen statues of the Virgin Mary as a young sort of 25 year old holding a crucifix!
@@steelsurfercore5642 No it doesn't, stop lying!
-Matter didn’t create anti matter
-Anti matter didn’t create matter
(Both of them were present at the time of big bang)
-Both of them didn’t create themselves.
-Both of them came from an unimaginable source, that unimaginable source created matter and antimatter (everything) thats why it is known as “the creator” of everything.
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- that unimaginable source/creator has created sin and virtue which are opposite to each other,
- logic says every action has its own reaction, so the reaction of sin must be different than the reaction of virtue,
- the creator has created prophets to let us know about each and every detail of sin and virtue, also about their reactions,
Thank u :)
If triangles had gods, they would be given three sides.
Wow a rationality rules video on the first day, this year is looking better already!!!
@@rationalityrules Please continue. Fascinating ideas
@@rationalityrules How can you claim to be rational rules with your irrational, non scientific Atheist beliefs? Especially considering there is “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God? No Atheist in the world can use the scientific method to verify or falsify the scientific evidence. In fact I have never seen an Atheist from the videos brave and honest enough to come into the comment section and confront the “incontrovertible” scientific evidence for the existence of God. Most remain silent, and hide. So just what are you all afraid of????
@@carolmosh4977 what *"incontrovertible"* evidence are you even talking about Carol?
@@carolmosh4977 How is a Raven like a Writing Desk?
It's crazy how most people rely on religion to give their lives "meaning and value."
Our emotional experiences only have the meaning WE GIVE THEM.
I just shared a ridiculous video on my channel of two religious people trying to figure out which "spiritual experiences" was Real. Much needed comic-relief. ;)
So, if preforming some heinous act of violence gives you emotional euphoria, how should we treat you?
If you are just a product of a meaningless universe your rationality would say then there is no such thing as meaning. Does the universe have emotional experiences? If it does, it is a metaphysical universe and not a material one. If you impute meaning on emotional experiences you have become a religion of one. So if more than one, let's say millions agree to collectively agree to do the same how can they be anymore foolish than you? You impute meaning just like they do and according to atheism that is irrational.
Please share with me the evidence for Atheism? Please include any facts, science, and or arguments for it.
We don’t use religion to give our lives “meaning & value” ... those who look for God usually find Him.
@@astutenoggin8970 Well said.
Stephen : "I could go on for hours..."
Me : Yes please I wish you would. Can you please produce a longer video based on the subject matter of this one? In fact, any longer format videos from you would be greatly appreciated.
@@steelsurfercore5642 this video has nothing to do with the one you linked
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Kirk 22: 69 "Why does God need a starship?"
@@FendiYT Symbolic 7:1-11 "and Charles screamed:
Built from blind faith
Passed down from self-induced fantasy
Turn a page to justify
Conjuring power, it opens wide
On your seventh day,
is that how it's done?
Twisting your eyes to perceive
all that you want?
To assume from ignorance,
Inflicting wounds with your
cross-turned dagger"
"Religion is the appendix of our psyche" You hit this out of the park.
What is the scientific proof for that claim?
@@mohammadarabsson6280 You really asking for scientific proof of a metaphor?
@@mohammadarabsson6280 LOL
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYT Insert random passage from the Bible here......
“I could go on for hours” yes we’d love that😂💙
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Dude I don’t believe in none of that
I will be ever grateful that My parents raised Me without religion, and I still have none.
I was raised in a CoE and then Lutheran churches until i was about 14. And have been atheist since about 16. Being raised, not only in the church, but into 2 denominations, has given me a first hand perspective of what i regard as the enemy of humanity.
@@ZeroSixFour | It surely is a control mechanism - much like the idea of "deadly viruses" is now.
@@KurtFrederiksen | Just what in the world are You on about? "Threshold?" And what "facts" do You think I am "disreard[ing]?" Do please be detailed and specific. [smile]
Lucky you.
@@AnEvolvingApe | It surely made comparative looks far more unbiased when I looked into what was out there. Gems of truth in mountains of dogma, I found.
My view: Religion was a useful tool that has outlived its usefulness. It should cease to exist and the data shows this trend.
As long as there is a fear of death and afterlife being unknown, there will always be religion. I think when humans embrace genetic engineering then religion will disappear completely, GE has the power to stop death and to change us into something that is not human.
@@EvolvedParasite So the answer to religion is immortality? I'm not sure if I agree.
@@MonkeBrain07 Can you explain why you don't agree please? Be great to see your perspective. Thanks.
@@EvolvedParasite In my perspective, education would be the death of religion. Schools purposefully omit topics like Darwinian evolution to keep kids in the religion, and most atheist I know, including myself, actually got out of religion not because of any psychological reasons, but because of proper education. We were indoctrinated at birth and kept unaware of modern science. Even well educated theists still have no basic idea about evolution so that proves my claims. Give the kids freedom of choice and properly educate them and you'll see religion die out.
Data shows no such thing. Statistical predictions show "nones" decreasing by percent over the next 50 years, The big winner is expected to be Islam, which will pass Christianity.
The snake motif/meme has upgraded in modern times to the Reptilian Humanoids from the Draco Constellation.
I tell u . Zuckerberg . I seen him , I seem his true scaly skin and seen the devil give him a cloak that make him look like a mortal .
Thanks to David Icke
You are absolutely right!
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
While most sects of Christians associate Genesis' serpent with the Devil (something not actually stated), in the vast majority of religions serpents are bringers of wisdom. Some see Genesis' serpent as a wisdom bringer in that the "fruit" is from the tree of the "Knowledge of Good and Evil". This is a loss of a metaphorical "innocence", the beginning of true independence, self-determination, or as I look at it, the loss of a "spiritual" state of awareness for inundation into a "body consciousness" or what Hindus would call maya.
A complex subject for such a short answer.
I got my very religious mom to check out "Debunked". She read through the cards and shook her head with a smile ....but I saw her brow furrow at a few cards. So as far as I'm concerned that means the game has done its job
I freed my mom from the the fear and immoral middle eastern religion in about 20 years. When I started to save her she was about 55 years old. I mostly spoke with her about the scientific method and shared scientific discoveries with her. The improbability of the supernatural she was a conclusion that she had to come to or stop talking to me about science. I have saved a few people from the fear (though they always claim joy), but my mom was the most satisfying.
@@bearlemley Can you explain your method of de-converting in-depth please? When exactly do you bring up the improbability of the supernatural? What topics do you first introduce the person to?
@@randomblueguy I am also interested in hearing so I'll leave this comment here haha 🙃
@@gingfreecss3808 me too
@@randomblueguy
I would do as follows:
Teach her what fallacies are, and why it's important to avoid using them. Don't forget to mention fallacy fallacy. Talk about the power of "I don't know". Make sure you have same understanding of the words.
Then teach how to think, by showing common fallacies with multiple non-religious examples. This might take weeks.
Ask if she cares about the truth. If she doesn't, bring that up every time she tries to argue with you, but otherwise don't push your ideas on her.
If everything goes as planned and she cares about accurate understanding of reality, ask what she believes and why. Don't forget to mention, that, if she has to ask others why she should believe, she's of course allowed to do that, but that it also implies she does not seem to have a good reason to believe.
If she says something that sounds wrong, don't say that it's wrong, but rather ask her to explain it. Let her figure out why it might be wrong.
Other than that, be open-minded and willing to change your mind. Ask questions and listen carefully. Repeat her ideas back to her like "If I understand you correctly, you are saying...".
Maybe watch Anthony Magnabosco's videos about _Street Epistemology._
As a Sociologist & Psychologist, I think you've raised many salient points that merit further discussion. Looking forward to your follow up, should there be one.
Yes, I concur, without Jordan Peterson's narrative
@@timetoreason181 Peterson's contributions to the discourse, while irksome are a feature of the landscape. I'd include them where and if appropriate but I agree, he's not everyone's cup of tea.
@@timetoreason181 ...without Jordan Peterson's mumbo jumbo, the secret god/Jesus smuggler...
@@narendramodi9373
Reply in three letters, yes!
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
"The optimal solution is affection over aggression" - Stephen Woodford, 2021
Only works when your enemies agree.
@@Lilliathi the religious are not your enemies
@@elontusk610
He was talking about nuclear war, watch the video.
@@elontusk610 the religious are everyones enemies. The enemy of free speech and especially the enemy of gay people. Or atheist religious institutions are the enemies of everyone and everything.
I've been saying atheist instead of at least sense I became one a couple months ago. Because I'm stupid and think its funny for some reason lol
Stoicism- "treat them as if they don't know"
Religion is a meme that keeps the priests fed.
As well as their libidos satisfied, in the case of Catholicism and JWs.
This is true under the original definition of 'meme'.
Memes jack
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
Religions use their God as an 'excuse' for their bad behaviors! They believe this fiction of their imagination will forgive them of their immoral actions which they refuse to take personal responsibility.
Also they claim to feel a true and deeper sense of guilt for being a sinner that atheist couldn't; thereby making themselves superior because their faith will save them.
We all take responsibility for everything we do.this is why we deserve to go hell.every single person supposed to Hell.but Jesus die for all every single sin you do.all you need to do believe him an trust on him.
My point proven!
Normally their god would punish them if they don't redeem themselves
If they're Catholic they can be forgiven by a Priest.
Atonement rarely happens.
It is sunday today here in the philippines.i walked out of our church to check my phone and saw this yt notification of RR.never clicked that fast.my parents are religious my father is a pastor,every sunday i play keys on our church.im an atheist and it is so hard for me to do this.i would like thank RR,cosmic skeptic,GMS for opening my eyes and always comforting me with these informative videos.
So many people in your congregation are atheists/agnostic. Everybody plays the game when they are young and many continue to when they are adults. If youcan take some solace in knowing you're not nearly as alone as you think.
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
As a Filipino, don't tell your parents or anyone unless you trust them until you finish college and get a job.
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
@@HarmzConscious Let's say all of that is true. What's wrong with being brainwashed by science? For all I know science does not care what you do with your life.
Are there other good examples of religions that have faded away because their theology was heavily based around socio-cultural-political conditions that ceased to exist?
@Wan It is also possible their membership got persecuted out of existence.
I can't think of any, however there are many whose disappearance was a product of both theological irrelevancy and outside social pressure. Otherwise stated as, people won't abandon an idea which ceases to serve them without another idea to replace it with... or in the terms of the internet "right", people won't abide a god shaped hole in their lives.
Being only familiar with Christianity , the Christian belief certainly altered as it became legitimised by the Roman Empire and it evolved to absorb Roman rituals into its church e.g. the morphing of the Roman emperor into the leader of the church and giving him theological validity as Christ’s representative on earth. Before this Christianity was a hodge podge of minority cults in the Middle East and the eastern Mediterranean . The Egyptian religion became redundant as Graeco-Roman colonisation and settlement became the dominant socio-political force. Russian Orthodox Church in Russia certainly shrank in the face of soviet socio-political conditions only to now experience a renaissance since it re-identifies with Russian nationalism under Putin’s Russia .
Personally I find this view to be very reductive. Most religions that died out did so due to a range of factors. Frankly the most common is military defeat. This even had a role in the broad conversion of the Norse to Christianity. The Norse didn't convert when they were beating the piss out of the Saxons and Romans, they did it when they started losing battles and their strongest military leaders decided to convert and in doing so gained allies. I doubt strongly that scholars of religion would agree with this interpretation of events.
@@capitalistraven Exactly.
I think you are correct, there are many factors apart from an evolutionary
maladaption to social and cultural changes.
Really excellent video! I particularly like the way you hold up the mirror of religions we know (with "easy confidence") are mythologies. It is an effective way of bypassing defence mechanisms. We see with such clarity, the foolishness of others.
The nonscientific atheist position of believing “nothing created everything” is greatly *more* foolish.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@SuperrBoyful no atheists believe that
Ha .... actually, many do!
@@SuperrBoyful no, they don’t. You’ve likely heard that from someone other than an atheist
Happy New Year, Stephen! I hope to get down 15 or 20kg this year, as well. I'm also taking up the ukelele - because the world just needs me to, i think. Cheers.
Good luck!
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
If we had evolved to have better vision at night, enabling us to be nocturnal hunters, Light would be seen as Evil and Darkness as Good.
Terrific point
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."
The sun can blind us.
Why didn’t we evolve to see at night, where our eyes were at no risk of harm?
This is your best video yet. While i do enjoy almost everything you post, the research that was put into this is a class above the rest.
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
@@HarmzConscious Let me just say God is probably not real. Religious people are just people brainwashed by theology, by religion into thinking somethings are not deserving of scientific explanation. Coincidences do occur, when you think of someone and they appear around the corner, that someone was probably already walking towards that corner before you began thinking of them. Be blessed
Not only worthy of a like but I have saved this one. You packed a lot of insight into 10 minutes there.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
"religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool" - Mark Twain
I have my own quote that's a little less insulting:
"Religion was made when the cavemen first heard lightning*" - Caseh
*saw lightning
I can't believe I'm so dumb
You see lightning. You hear thunder.
@@YY4Me133 LOL oh shit I'm an idiot
@@caseh4235
At least now you have an indication of the possibility that originally the religion(s) may not have been as silly as some people today seem to believe they are. People make mistakes, if the mistakes gets copied rather than corrected, the end outcome hardly has anything to do with what was originally stated.
You are not an idiot, at least you are able to notice the mistake you made and corrected it, it's the people who won't even bother to look at their own claims when you attempt to point out a mistake they made who are the real idiots. The more we learn from mistakes we made, the less of an idiot we become.
@@steelsurfercore5642 LOOOOOL you're seriously linking to James Tour? He's been debunked countless times.
@@steelsurfercore5642
Exhibit 1:
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That thing about Valhalla was actually pretty interesting. Like I know it was irony but it did give me some interesting things to think about
Yeah, the religion of the vikings is such that it is hard to imagine that anyone believed it. But the video puts their world into the context of their times that it makes as much sense as any other religion.
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
"Religion is hence the appendix of our psyche" - Stephen Woodford, 2021
It’s a storehouse for good bacteria? That’s an odd comparison.
Most experts believe the appendix is just a useless remnant from our evolutionary past...
So religion is good for our body . That's an atheist argument I agree with .
@@Beaut_Beau that is no longer believed . Same for tonsils .
@@gamingdragon1356 The only right thing said in the video and unintentionally at that
If humans were more observant and intelligent in deep history, the Devil would be a mosquito ;)
those critters already are the devil.
I love you.
I love you too
Thank you. You are great too.
I love you all too : )
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
I have to say, I wholeheartedly agree with you on this atheistic position - it's been something I've thought about for so so long but have always found it hard to explain to people. But you've put it into clearer words than I could. Thanks for this!
I just wish this brilliant guy would speak a bit slower.
maybe try turning the speed to 0.75, helped me
@@JH-KU you’re very welcome
This guy is somehow weirdly Jesus and Muhammad put together, yet their complete opposite...
How I see religion? I'll put it like this.
When one person has an imaginary friend he's talking to you'd call him crazy. When millions do it you call it religion.
If your friend died on a cross for saying that, you might believe him.
@@TheFeralcatz
No.
I would think that he probably had mental health issues.
@@TheFeralcatz Do you believe in people that killed themselves during Hale - Bopp comet pass?
Be nice
People think it's 'respectable' to let worms eat you but not other animals
and cremation is wasteful and uses a lot of energy
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."
@@FendiYT "God cannot be mocked"- Yeeaah, you might need a rain check on that.
God's gotta be the most negligent parent in the universe. If humans were "created in God's image", does that mean God has an appendix? Is he undernourished like the billions of people in third-world countries? Or obese like the billion people in first-world countries? Seems kinda misogynistic to CHOOSE to look like an old bearded MAN. Doesn't the other 50% of humanity deserve proportionate representation? And what kind of asshole invents friction? Now none of humanity's inventions will ever be 100% efficient. D*ckhead.
When I was young, I saw a film where they said people believe in religion because they want meaning in their lives. But if we find value in something eles, and life is still meaningful without religion, does it matter if people doesn't care about there religion and get busy with their lives? The religious people I know are really worried that society is being more secular and we are forgetting god. But I don't think it matters if the society is happy that way.
belief is the assumption that something is a fact without the presence of knowledge.
wanting something to be a fact has no influence whatsoever on that thing being a fact or fiction at the moment.
these people seem to either believe that the whole universe revolves around them (magically bends to their will) or they are unable to understand simple terms and concepts or basics of logical reasoning (i.e. their "reason" to believe is a non sequitur like "you should brush your teeth after each meal because dogs are capable of body language").
you probably know that already, but I just wanted to point that out because it happens so often and is so rarely addressed.
I don’t believe that people are happier judging by the increasing rates of suicide and depression.
@@TheFeralcatz A lot of the suicide and depression of Atheists is caused by the simple fact that they are often rejected by their family friends and society once they leave their faith and it is more of a reflection of how abhorrent religion is to non believers than than Atheism itself. As the Atheist community grows there are more avenues for new Atheists to meet like minded people that give them the support they need.
@@sulas548 First of all Atheists are way less oppressed than they deserve to be. Second I was making a point about the increasing rates of suicide and depression in our secular dystopian hellscape as a whole. Not Atheists specifically.
@@TheFeralcatz "First of all Atheists are way less oppressed than they deserve to be"
Wow, that was a hate filled bigoted and vile thing to say. You must be a Christian of the religion of love, do you want to live in a theocracy?
Are you one of these people that think there was a time in the past where life was better and people were happier because they were believers? Christianity had two thousand years of brutal control and if you were to study history you would discover that religion was responsible for mass misery and life today is far far better than at any time in the past. Also look at the happiness levels in countries that have managed to rid themselves of this horrid religion. Scandinavian countries score far higher than all the religious ones on every single metric of crime, happiness and wellbeing. Would you rather live in predominantly Atheist Norway with a murder rate of .5 per 100,000 or very religious El Salvador at 82.84 per 100,000?
The simple fact that you allow your revolting religion to fill you full of such hatred is very sad indeed. Shame on you.
That was concise & outstanding in a plethora of ways. Much cudos to you wordsmith. I feel even Hitchens may have reflected with admiration & taken a few notes for future debate.
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
I couldn't agree more. You are one of the very few public atheists that I still like after 2020. You are one of the few that managed to keep their integrity and actually cares about reality and facts.
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYTLiars always claim that they tell the “truth”, and John if the Bible is no exception. “Truth social” is another example of a place filled with untruthful blarney.
NO! Go on for hours. Please. I've got the time to listen. Sleep? Meh!
I've been juggling very similar thoughts recently as well.
I agree with the evolutionary roots of religion. We weren't this decadent in our entire evolutionary history, so it can be hard to empathize with our ancestors that lived in a crueler world, where they had no clue if they were eating tomorrow.
As we got more of our basic needs covered, with the agricultural revolution, we ended up with more stable lives, and more time to think of our existence, and our lives, and then met with the nihilist nature of this world that we would not cope with, and thus made up reasons and answers.
The benefit to moving to an agrarian economy is disputed though. See Yuval Noah Harari's "Sapiens" for example. But plenty disagree of course!
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."
@@FendiYT Stop worshiping a book written by ignorant primitives thousands of years ago. They were just lost, hopeless, and confused about their existence, and wanted answers.
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Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
my goodness! this was good
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYT wow,your comment made me throw away my atheism and evil ways of living,said no one ever after reading a random mythology quote.
@@FendiYT buddy, I'm not sure how you think posting Bible quotes in the comments here is supposed to help you.
Breaking The Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon by Daniel Dennett wrote a book about this.
Extremely compassionate tome.
Hardly an original concept, which makes him a hack writer - I bet he had family in publishing. How else does such tripe make it to print? I'd rather read Obama's daddy issues book...
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
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Your snake theory is interesting, but what about cats? Cats were a major predatory threat to evolved primates for millions of years, and now days, we respect, love, idolize, and, dare I say, lionize them. In fact, most mammalian predators are seen in a generally good light in many societies, so long as they aren't killing the livestock.
I would love to see you do more Norse apologetics, their great.
And I won’t lie, I’d rather have be wishy washy pagans then wishy washy Christians.
Hey rationality rules, I just wan to offer my support. May you be happy, peaceful, and free from worry.
Please make sure to take care of yourself. You deserve the best.
Weinstein idea of religions as literally false, but metaphorical true needs more convincing examples than the very few he does. But a fine narrative -echoes so much of my own thinking but much more spontaneous & articulate than I could do. Great points. Will be posted on my fb page, as already are a few.
There are plenty of examples of this phenomenon. It's not exclusive to organized religion, have a look at all those things parents say to their children in an attempt to get them to behave better like:
Don't make weird faces, cuz when the clock strikes your face will be like that forever.
If you hit your mom, you hands will grow above your grave.
If you don't behave, Santa will only bring you coal.
I'd consider 'practical true' a better word for this category of phenomenons, as we already have such a thing as metaphorical true and it means something vastly different, having more to do with figurative speech.
One day, you and everyone you love will die. And beyond a small group of people for an extremely brief period of time, little of what you say or do will ever matter. This is the Uncomfortable Truth of life. And everything you think or do is but an elaborate avoidance of it. We are inconsequential cosmic dust, bumping and milling about on a tiny blue speck. We imagine our own importance. We invent our purpose-we are nothing
Believe it or not, it was the Vikings show that led me towards asking the questions that would lead me to atheism three years ago.
Ok, you got me curious. Please elaborate :)
@@cy-one there is just a lot of dialogue in that show about philosophical concepts such as the whole problem with how if God created the universe exactly the way he wanted it and knows the future then how do we have freewill? And if we do not have freewill then how can we be held accountable for our “sin” if we were always going to commit that sin? There’s a lot of dialogue between characters about the gods and determinism vs freewill. It just made me start questioning what I had been taught to believe.
There is too few of this kind of topics comparing to "believiers delusions on atheist debunked pt 666" :) Great vid!
Really enjoyed the video mate, love the high quality content! Keep-em coming and hope your having a great new year!
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Let me say God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking everything has a scientific explanation. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world. I just made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
Normal religions like christianity, judiasm, hinduism, shintoism, and buddhism merely disappoint me. Crazy religions like islam, jehovah's witness, mormonism, and various cults anger me and make me scared of humanity annihilating its self.
@RR Particular good video this one. Nice work Stephen.
Speaking of good work: I got my copy of Debunked delivered to be here in the Antipodes a few weeks back. Played it with my nephews who attend a Catholic school (which is unfortunately the best affordable school in my city) - the conversations were enlightening! Multiple times when I explained the actual full "argument", they responded "Really!!!? People believe that?" LoL!
I consider the 3 game session to be rather like an inoculation against the fallacious thinking that places them at risk of indoctrination. So, thank you Stephen - it's worth every cent! 👍😁
Will need an expansion though - 10 arguments means the game gets stale quickly. Perhaps, famous non-religious fallacious philosophical arguments, or political ones. Ohhhh... *A conspiratorial thinking edition!* This is something people need saving from also, and the game format is a nice non-threatening approach.
If I was going to pick a nemesis animal I'd choose the hippo! Those fuckers be scary!
They are the reason for most reserve deaths in South Africa I believe.
"A little more light in the darkness..." - Moiraine Sedai
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We all did, Jonas. We all did.
read John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
@@FendiYT damn they had *some* bad writing
While Valhalla seems ridiculous but it's way more epic than Heaven
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Only because you don't understand what is being said, valhalla is a place you go to prepare to fight in ragnarok.
Heaven according to Christianity is a place you can go after death to be with God, the difference is in heaven you learn a lot more about the nature of sin than you would in valhalla. You can sin in heaven, but you won't want to.
Genesis appropriated The Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Sumerians worshipped snakes. So... there's that.
I was raised as a catholic and forced to attend Sunday school against my will. I hated it when I was young. I disagreed everything that was taught to me in Sunday school. I told my parents that I converted to Buddhism after turning 16. They didn’t take the news very well.
Well, it’s an improvement. That’s like switching from cocaine to weed...still a drug, but not nearly as self-destructive or overbearing. Cheers on finding your own way!
Right off: "Created" is the wrong verb. Evolved, arose, came about, ect. don't imply intent.
For the miserable, the world looks like it was not intentionally created. For the happy it is *very* clear that the world was intentionally made.
@@SuperrBoyful nope. I'm a pretty happy guy and I see no convincing reason to believe that there was any kind of intent behind the existence of the universe.
Pranav Flame You not happy bruh
@@SuperrBoyful ahh yes, the "No True Scotsman" Fallacy. Don't gatekeep happiness, okay buddy? I got a good family, good education, good health, and enough wealth. I like my life
@@pranavflame I'm a cranky old dude to be sure, but happy enough. I think Banner doesn't get the difference between bliss and happiness. Ignorance is bliss, right?
Of course to say that a belief has evolutionary or societal value (otherwise why would it exist), is NOT to say that the belief is TRUE.
Very interesting and comprehensive video! You shed light on some things, I never thought about.
Thanks for that Steve :)
Happy new year to you guys
Thanks! Happy new year to you too.
John 8:45-46 “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can convict me of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?”
Wonderful video! Enjoyed it thoroughly. Such well thought and well articulated points! Another masterpiece ❤️
I have gone through some rough times in my life, and even when things were at its worst, I mentally made the effort to avoid turning to religion. It was more my own survival instinct to not allow convenient comfort when I am at my most vulnerable. There will be costs for that comfort you will never pay if your life were better.
10:00 "None of us will perish in combat." Speak for yourself! I joined the military with a direct combat job at eighteen and years later, since I wasn't killed in combat, I went to Syria as a private volunteer in 2012. Survived that shit, too. My wife won't let me go to combat anymore, but don't you worry, though. You'll have one subscriber headed to Valhalla if I outlive her somehow.
Edit: I love "Debunked" by the way.
That's true Del! Well played :)
Another ex-military guy here. When I heard you say "none of us will die in combat" my first reaction was to wonder what world you are living in.
Really the only reason you can sit there in your warm house and make videos is because brave people go out into the world and defeat the monsters that you'd otherwise have to face yourself.
I mean, I understand that there is a large portion of the population for whom military service or law enforcement is something that only the "proles" do....but to pretend it isn't a thing anymore? Sheesh. Maybe I am being too harsh.
In my family, we take a hard look at places like Iraq/Syria or El Salvador and decide we don't want animals like ISIS or MS13 running amok where we live, so we consider risking our lives in service to whack those moles when they pop up to be a viable and morally good option.
Unfortunately nowadays, there are many parents who would cry, wail, and consider themselves to have failed if their offspring chose to join the Marines instead of go to college.
@@bbainter7880 "Really the only reason you can sit there in your warm house and make videos is because brave people go out into the world and defeat the monsters that you'd otherwise have to face yourself."
I hate to break this to you but no western military action conducted since WW2 has actually served to make western countries safer or protect us from anything. In fact everything they've done particularly since the Gulf War has made the world as a whole less safe. You talk about not wanting people (yes people. Not animals though I'm sure dehumanizing them makes it much easier to live with the violence you've been involved in perpetrating for no good reason) like ISIS running amok when America and its illegal wars are what lead directly to their existence. Much like Americas war on drugs lead directly to the inevitable existence of groups like MS13.
I suggest you ditch the jingoism because frankly it's a cult like mentality all of its own that blinds you both to the actual causes of the problems you decry and the role you end up playing in creating and perpetuating them.
And to be clear I say this as someone who is not inherently opposed to military intervention. There are times when military intervention is required. The aforementioned WW2 being a great example or my own countries long history of peace keeping operations whose scope was largely to protect civilians in regional conflicts. But if you think fighting in illegal and unjustified wars against problems your country created and which the wars serve no purpose other than to exacerbate based on all available evidence is a viable and morally good option then you've bought into the cult of american imperialism hook, line, and sinker and you and every other person alive owe it to themselves and to the rest of the human race to find better paths forward.
I'm genuinely sorry that you view your service as positively as you do because the actual outcomes show your service accomplished nothing beyond making the world a worse place for everyone. Even people in the west. I am very sorry that you've bought into imperialistic nonsense and even more sorry that you likely have friends who also bought in and who died for less than nothing.
But yes, while I'm not a parent, if I were I would consider myself to have failed if any child of mine viewed military intervention and service the way you do because the way you view such service is nothing but myth divorced from the reality of its actual effects on the world. I have no inherent problem with military's existing or with anyone choosing to serve. I do have a problem with perpetuating bad reasons for both though.
@@bbainter7880 I'm a German. Statistically speaking, our military is a rounding error compared to the size of our population. Taking it one step more, combat fatalities within our military are even more so within statistical fuzziness.
So yes, "none of us will die in combat" is pretty much true, just not 100% scientifically accurate.
As an example, and taking only Afghanistan for this statistic: In the 13 years of 2002-2015, the USA has lost ~2.355 men in the Afghanistan conflict. The US armed forces number roughly 1.3 million men. That's 0,18% losses.
Compared to the US population of ~328 million people, that's 0,00071%.
So yeah, when speaking colloquially about probabilities, "no one of us" is going to die in combat.
PS: Math might not be correct, but the absolute numbers are.
I love the fact Stephen is genuinely trying to find the baby in the bath water.
There does seem to be a deep message within all religions depending on the sect you focus on.
Esoteric Christianity/Gnosticism- Christianity
Sufism - Islam
Zen - Buddhism
Taoist philosophy - Taoism
Hindu philosophy/ chakra system - Hinduism
Teachings of Thoth - Egyptian
These are to name a few religions that all share the same message of a higher perspective, unburdened by our ego.
It’s a lot to take in but they all seem to speak of understanding the nature of the ego and psychological behaviour that will benefit our wellbeing.
Also Stephen if you read this I run a TH-cam channel based on growing myself and my understanding of reality (whatever the fuck reality is).
I’d love the chance to talk to you a bit more about this in detail. If there’s any bullshit in my reasoning you’re the one that I feel will be able to flush it out
@@steelsurfercore5642 I don’t disagree with any point that video made.
The philosophies in those religious sects do not make claims of knowing what started all this. These religions are all forms of deism (as far as understand)
All these philosophies do is grant you knowledge of self.
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@@solomonherskowitz very interesting!!! Thank you
Ego is the cause of all human suffering and we should be destroying our ego because if we destroy it, we can break the 3,000+ years of suffering, war and conflict that humanity keeps forcing to repeat.
One day, you and everyone you love will die. And beyond a small group of people for an extremely brief period of time, little of what you say or do will ever matter. This is the Uncomfortable Truth of life. And everything you think or do is but an elaborate avoidance of it. We are inconsequential cosmic dust, bumping and milling about on a tiny blue speck. We imagine our own importance. We invent our purpose-we are nothing.
I love your videos
Fascinating. Do share more about these topics.