Yeah the Helldrake would easily have been good with some tweaks. Don't know what they could have done with the demon host tho without drastically changing how it.
@@chandlerh2408 i mean we can still do the shrines but at least make it spawn (like the sorcerers) to go after us a bit with melee attacks or something, as it is im more afraid of random terminator spamming rockets than I am of a demonhost, mostly because its harmless on half the shrines with the walls blocking its attacks
Brother, perhaps we have crossed paths. I too, relentlessly run Inferno Substantial and Ruthless for the Emperors gifts of bling.... And also armoury data to skip those god awful block weapons, and the numerous boltguns.
Whilst it might not be the best option for my Pve loving brothers, PvP battles are very quick and give you an armor segment for every victory, it’s a good way to really finish your style quickly.
Inferno and Decapitation are my favorites. I personally don't enjoy fighting against Thousand Sons. I think all operation missions are well designed, but fighting against Thousand Sons feel a bit off.
Tyranid missions are bit more forgiving when you go straight for the majoris enemies. Tsons missions are a shift to bit more balance. You want to thin the minoris while you also keep tabs on majoris+ enemies. its a bit more nuanced than just that but its a start.
Yeah, the Thousand Sons are definitely tougher than the Tyranids. I've been leveling up some characters on Decap and Inferno, so I haven't fought them post-patch yet. Did the changes they made help? I saw they lowered the number of shielded bird demons.
@@MidiorGaming it’s super quick the atmosphere is beautiful at the start and None of the objectives are tedious like some of the chaos missions. It’s gotta be number 2 or 3 for me behind inferno and decapitation Edit: also tyranids are just way more fun to fight
I personally think Inferno is shorter because the Hive Tryant can really fuck you up on higher difficulties if you get an incompetent team or, emperor forbid, you play with Ai
A piece of advice for anyone building up characters: Weapon mastery and unlocks are shared between all classes, meaning any progress leveling up the bolter pistol for example is shared amongst all your characters. If you start grinding the tactical, assault, vanguard or bulwark you can get the chainsword and bolter to max level which will be a great help for when you start leveling other characters since you will get to use high level weaponry regardless of your current level.
Vox Liberatus on Ruthless purely from an efficiency standpoint is probably #1. So many skip-able sections of mobs that you can get it done very quick. Excellent leveling. Decap is sooo much fun though! Especially on a class using Melta. Haha
Lmao why would you want to skip sections. Most ppl bought this game to fight hordes of enemies but you bought it to run away from them. Dont think this game is for you bro😂
@@CupOfLibertea87your view is very narrow-minded, after playing the game and enjoying killing tons of enemies, the primary goal for most players is then to grind classes to level 25 and get relic weapons, and then enjoy the game better from there. Thus such players would rather find the fastest way to get to that stage so they can enjoy playing with strong weapons and good skills. Anyway he paid for the game with his own money, did you buy it for him? If not, he doesn't have to take your advice on how he should play.
So.... Once you have leveled up each character and weapon to its Max, what is there left to do ? The whole point of grinding each operation over and over is to max out everything once that has been achieved there's not a whole lot left. You are going to rush to finish everything and have no reason to keep grinding.Anyways you do you hopefully we don't end up on the same team as that automatically puts me and everyone who enjoys actually playing the game on a 2 man team.
IMO all the operations with Tyranids are just better than fighting the heretics, Tyranids are just more fun to fight against. The lack of executions against the Thousand Sons also make it repetitive too quick. When I'm fighting against Tyranids, I could actually role play harder.
I agree with the thousands suns sentiment, i also hate how they just fall apart like legos when you kill them, its not very satisfying. With xenos you kill em and you’re drenched in blood after, makes them much more satisfying to kill
100%. Executions against Tyranids are way more satisfying than the glitter and smoke from Chaos Marines. I learned why the Chaos Marines do that, but it still doesn't feel as good.
Definitely agree with #6 and that Inferno and Decapitation are easily the best operations. I don't personally mind Ballistic Engine, but the sandstorms do get really annoying.
The trolley escort really ruins Atreus for me. That big open platform makes flipping the turntables miserable and shows off the worst of the 1K mechanics. I think Ballistic is the better version even with the dust storms. I’m fond of the Helldrake. The bridge is one of the best set pieces and the boss fight is largely fine if the squad knows what they’re doing. It’s definitely the one that can have ruined runs with the wrong players.
That's fair. I've had some rough runs right at the trolley part too. I thought it was funny that the Helldrake was already burning the bridge before we even got off the elevator, but I agree that going through that bridge section is fun.
the only mission where i snapped at a teammate who kept pushing the trolley wrong way and typed me to "turn it", not knowing that its impossible if someone moves it
The chaos marines are only run to fight if your sniper, heavy, or tactical. The other melee centered classes will always have more fun against bugs. The thousand sons was the wrong choice on a chaos faction to add i feel it should've been the world eaters as they are more melee focused
I enjoy fighting them with the Vanguard, as well as the ones you mentioned. This game has got me watching a lot of lore videos, World Eaters is added to my list.
It would have made more sense if it was the Night Lords, as they're the moral and ethical antithesis to the Raven Guard, AND they're doing precisely what the Thousand Sons are doing, but wouldn't have the bending of Lore Constraints that they're performing with regards to the Thousand Sons. And they're also a Melee centered faction within the Traitor Legions, utilizing hit and run tactics and terror strategies to cause panic and chaos before the big reveal. Or the Word Bearers. Worshipping the Pantheon of Chaos itself, would make more sense and opens up a realm of opportunity as they would utilize all four powers and benefits of the 4 Dark Gods. The Black Legion would be the safest. But Abaddon and the Black Legion are off gallivanting through the area surrounding the Eye, after the destruction of Cadia. Iron Warriors would be unique. But they'd be showing up in force. They don't like subterfuge, but there would have to be an end goal for them as well. They don't go to war for no reason. There's usually some gainful end objective (read Storm of Iron for a great concept of the lengths the Iron Warriors would go for precious objectives).
Some of the Operations that involve activating consoles can be extra frustrating. For example, in Ballistic Engine, if you activate the incorrect console the sequence resets and you have to wait even longer. This can make it endless if someone isn't paying attention and is just activating the first console they reach
Why the tyrannids aren't attacking the servitors? They can barely feel them. Servitors are all lobotomized, some more thoroughly than others. They are basically just machines at that point. Used and abused, parts replaced as they break down. The Tyrannids are in an active war effort, looking for maximum organic matter to fuel biomass demands. They do this through basic smell and vision, but also latent psychic resonance in living beings. Servitors are low priority precisely because they tyrannids probably don't even recognize them as anything other than tainted carrion that would take more processing than would be worth the time while engaging resistance.
The servitor scanning on Reliquary really does need a redesign of some sort. I don't know how best to address it, but I think I'd rather it be a single scan that requires you to defend that area or something rather than following the servitor around as it randomly tries spots.
Decapitation is easily the best one, simply for the fact that typically, my other two team mates tend to die leaving me to solo the Tyrant, and that shit gives me a HELL of a rush going one on one with nothing but the Emperors Protection and a Combat Knife! SLY MARBO BE DAMNED!
I had the same thought about the tyranids not targetting the servitors and i brought this up with one of my friends. He felt that since the tyranids lacked a hive tyrant (since we killed theirs) or swarmlord in the area which would lead to the tyranids not being nearly as strategic. That they would resort to their more primal nature and servitors tend to lack biomass and would not seem to be a threat. They were struggling to get a foothold and therefore also focused on more nearby threats, which we would have been far enough away to be less noticed. But hey, who knows, could have very well been plot armor. Kind of like how the Tyranids lack any kind of plot armor themselves and never win any major battles. :P
Good point. I figured the Tyranids wouldn't care about the servitors for their meat, but they'd notice the big bomb they were hauling and might try to stop it. I didn’t consider that the hive tyrant would be dead at this point, so they’d be less strategic.
@@MidiorGaming Who knows honestly! It very well could have been the devs thinking, "whats a way to make this scene more interesting? Lets have a bunch of slaves pull the giant bomb, instead of a winch or somekind of railcar, because thats metal af (and very much warhammer) 😂😅 It is cool to see a content creator point out the finer details in things, some of which i noticed and questioned myself 😂
The battery escort one will always be bottom for me. Absolute nightmare with pubs turning the damn thing around or moving it when I’m trying to turn it around and it goes nowhere near where I need it…
Heard! Yeah, I think the last part could be reworked. The turning sections should be automated, and the button could be repurposed to fix a turning jam instead of requiring us to align the track. Additionally, only one charge should be needed.
I like the boss at the end levels. Cuz no matter what you’ve done up to that point it doesn’t matter if you lose. I’ve had a few of those on Decapitation and to be honest it allows me to always give it a certain respect. Sometimes the Tyrant is just ruthless 😂
Fighting the Tyranids feels normal, but fighting the Thousand Sons feels off. Because they don't feel lore accurate. Not in their combat capability, but just in their deployment. In table top, the army requires Sorcerers in order for the Thousand Sons to effectively operate, after all the bulk of the army is automata entombed in their armor thanks to Ahriman trying to halt the corruption of the Warp when they fled their home planet in the face of the Space Wolves onslaught. You'd think that they'd use WAY more Sorcerers. And I don't even think Tzeentch has cults that follow him. Most cults usually end up following the other three Dark Gods. Tzeentch is the God of Chance and being an unpredictable twat. The emphasis of demons would be greater than the emphasis of Marines or Cultists. But the frequency would also be lower. You'd be facing WAY more sorcery and dark warp energies than you would physical enemies. These aren't khornate worshippers who will throw bodies into the fight, nor are the Nurgle's kin who would have a near infinite amount of tough resources to use, nor are they Slaanesh... For obvious reasons... Of them all, the whole concept of the Thousand Sons is that they're a clever Legion that utilizes deception and subterfuge rather than direct contact and bludgeoning tactics. Its only when they know they have the upper hand against their enemies, that they would strike with immense force.
Relic is actually my top 2 operation, top 1 being Decap and 3, Inferno. Even if the final fight is a little underwhealming combat-wise, the whole idea of the level just screams "epic futuristic fantasy quest." You explore catacombs where legendary heroes rest, escorting a little guy npc that actually says some wild shit if you pay attention, then make a wild run through a demon-ocupied bridge-town while a SORCERY-POWERED DRAGON JET throws incendiary air strikes at you to finally confront it at the heart of a cathedral, then have to use ancient holy technology to break its impenetrable defenses while it spits hellfire at you and its demonic minions try to overwhealm you. Its just... Too cool man (yes i like Grey Knights and Dark Angels, how did you know 😂)
As someone who plays mostly on average difficulty, it is interesting to see how much people hate fighting chaos compared to nids. I'm the opposite. I'd fight a terminator over a lictor any day of the week.
Haha, yeah, Lictors always manage to land some hard hits on me. I also find Tyranids more fun to fight, but once I got upgraded gear, the Chaos forces became manageable. Blowing them up with a melta is pretty fun-though, honestly, blowing anything up with a melta is fun.
The Hive Tyrant fight is really fun. Completely agree with the first 2 choices. I wish devs would add another Hive Tyrant or The Swarmlord fight in the next updates
I really think that the reason why the Nids are more fun to fight is that the Tzeench guys all shoot. Every singke one of them except the Gors. I think they have some rubric marines armed with egypian space swords (kopesh?) It would have been nice to have them at least. Also you cannot stagger the warpfire guys they wont go melee with you, just keep igniting you. It is so fun to duel with elite (majoris?) Nids in this game but no elite chaos want to engage you in melee. TLDR chaos boys too shooty
inferno is my least favorite to play, its not a bad map its just my play style doesnt work with it ..I play tactical with bolter w G-launcher.. The map has way too many corners n tight spaces. granted it could be just because im used to being a dmr main in open world shooters n rpgs
90% of ppl play inferno over band over plus decapitation ( matchmaking time ) rest of missions is one time go and forget, they are too long and risk of insta death is too high and than 40 min of your life wasted
It feels like thousand sons are completely melee unfriendly, if they give them some more melee attacks at close range instead of teleporting they'd me much more fun
I've been busy leveling up some items and haven't played a chaos map since patch 3.0. I heard they reduced the number of shield birds, I hated those guys.
Ive had the unfortunate luck of making Bulwark my main class to try to get the max level trophies. Honestly? I would switch Decapitation and Vox Liberatus. Some parts in Decap are *brutal* imo when you have nothing but a pistol, like the tower bomb section. Especially when the game decides to be a jerk and spawn two Zoanthropes
I’d probably have vox liberatis as 1 just because it has a little of everything and it’s an awesome mission. Decapitation definitely at second and still being the best mission for leveling
M1 and M6 are basically the same level, but M1 lools better, M2 is pretty good but over hyped, M3 is not to bad and I actually enjoy it because you fight both factions, M5 pretty good tbh but its purly chaos (I dont mind chaos but nids are more fun atm), M4 just feels like a slog all the way through. M1 = M6 > M2 > M3 > M5 > M4
Fall of Atreus is great up until the ending bit. Completely insufferable with randoms, and kills the replayability of the entire thing for me, unless I'm with friends. I would say in terms of replay value, it goes; Inferno, Ballistic Engine and Decapitation for me. In that order. Not quite as visually interesting as FoA and Vox Liberatis, but very fun to cycle through when you're just trying to level up weapons & classes without burning out on a single op.
i swear i cant fucking beat fall of atreus on anything higher than min with randoms cuz every time i try i get some brainlet who insists on being in charge of the buttons, and another who insists on babysitting the cart, and the two of them send it to the wrong side of the room and freak the fuck out the nothings happening as enemies just keep spawning. Infuriating mission with randoms. I didnt buy the game to guide smoothbrains thru the block-hole puzzle box lmao
Yeah, that ending part should be changed up, it lasts too long on a mission that's already too long. Your level farming cycle makes sense, I've just been bouncing between Decap and Inferno.
Reliquary is really a pity, the map itself is absolutely cool. I walked past the first area like 10 times thinking that's a collapsing castle on the other side of the cliff, but imagine my awe when I found out that it's an entire Imperator-class Titan. The giant space marine statue in the middle of the tomb was also really cool too. Wish they have half the length of the cemetery, cut the basement of the tombs, less of the bridge, and instead have us fight up the tower while the heldrake encircles us, and end in an actual boss fight at the top. I still don't get why did the heldrake just conveniently landed (or why landed at all?) where there are relics waiting to shoot beams at it, what was the purpose of the consoles and the beam shooting relic in the first place, and why did the heldrake's explosion took out the entire tower along with the beacon...
I disagree on the sandstorm. Forwhatwver reason, a lot of shooters will have counter after counter, making it hard to do melee builds in their game while almost never having a counter for ranged builds. If I have to fight aroubd slows, explosive enemies, seeing an enemy bot walking backwards faster than I can sprint forward while able to shoot me with anti-stormtrooper aim in one more gd game I'mgoing to pop a cork. I also like the horror movie vibe of hearing a swarm maneuvering around us while our visibility is limited and you see their silhouettes slowing coming I to view. The Trolly area for Fall of Atreus is solid, and I think mission lengths should be closer to it personally. It's engaging, is done faster with teamwork, and keeps you moving. Unlike many other objectives like Inferno with the hive swarm flanking us while we wait for and undescript timer or decapitation while we fight a set horde while waiting for a kill trigger to move us to detonation the bomb. The elevator on Vox Liberatis is more of a missed opportunity than anything. Throughout most operations we can move at our own pace while doing objectives and here is an opportunity to take that control away from us and put us on a roller coaster like drop where we are being g challenged to clear enemies who have a set spawn rate as the elevators move. In higher difficulties, enemies should be dropping down from the various floors rather than mainly just teleporting in, or they could completely scrub all of that and spawn a Helbrute once in awhile. The Dreadnaught section was also a missed opportunity. The Dreadnought should have been a pass or fail checkpoint and involve fighting more Helbrutes, but these ones wouldn't give armory data. And if the Dreadnaught is destroyed from taking too much damage, then there would be no way to open the door, and we could get a mission failed. Rather instead the "challenge of the entire section is just spamming dumb spawns that just have us fighting while being constantly out of position that we were more or less forced to do. The elevator in Vox at least makes perfect sense, it would be like watching a mad max movie but here we are just being put in a crappy position because they wanted to make the section somewhat hard while fighting with a dreadnaught and they got lazy and made it hard for the wrong reasons. To me the best moments are the ones realizing there are stakes. When I failed the engine mission because I was fighting an extremis enemy and the swarm took out the train I now really enjoy that feeling when I see the swarm coming in and I have to make sure I'm ready to defend the train. All in all, I find all of these missions of being very well designed and super replayable. There isn't a single one I've gotten tired of playing and really reminds me of the days of playing ME3 multiplayer.
Thanks for the detailed reply! I might start doing tier lists instead because with my ranking from 5 to 1, I’d happily replay those, but I’m not sure if that comes across clearly with just a numbered ranking. You make a good point about the dust storm acting as a counter for shooters. I like that there’s one long mission, but I wish the payout was higher to justify it. A Dreadnought on the elevator would be great, especially if it turned into a full-on three-way fight with Tyranids, Chaos forces, and multiple Extremis enemies. Speaking of horror movie vibes, Lictors have jump-scared me a couple of times now!
Oh yeah, if you're enjoying that level with friends, by all means, keep doing so. I’m just saying, with two melee-focused classes, it would be fun to get in there and stab or pummel the dragon, or even block dragon swipes with your shield.
Inferno imo is the best. Not every build is good against the hive tyrant and the minibosses you can skip depending on which part of the mission you're on and such. Decap I'd put on number 2
You see ya had me until you put fall of Atreus at 3. That is one of if not the most annoying piece of garbage operations. Anything involving chaos instantly should go in the back three
they did the helldrake a massive L. I was looking forward to fighting the helldrake while i was playing campaign, only for it to turn into a niche mechanic battle
That's fair. On the other hand, we do have new modes and maps on the way. I plan to stick with this game until I stop having fun playing or creating content for it.
I've played Vox Liberatus a lot and it's honestly a favorite. Especially when it gets to the point where the Tyranids and Thousand Sons converge cause it has so many variations. Sometimes it's majority Tyranids, Majority Chaos, sometimes there's a Hellbrute, and sometimes a Carnifex. There's even been occasions where a swarm or portal manifests behind you as you exit the door basically surrounding you. I really hope future operations hone in on that variability.
@@MidiorGaming yeah same. Honestly I feel like 3 way fighting operations are the only way they could do chaos operations without having a good portion of backlash from the community since people like the Tyranid ones more
I don't know why fighting tyranids is so much fun and then you play a chaos level and it's just "ugh" feeling. Decapitation and Inferno are hands down the best levels and very fun and well paced. The others I feel they were made artificially long just because and their mechanics are mostly an annoyance than actual fun.
@@Colouh The Thousand suns are just more annoying. They teleport, are almost exclusively ranged and hurt, plus their two extremis enemies the Terminator and Sorcerer are just major pains as well. Tyranids just feel fair and have diversity in weapons, attacks, and units
For sure, a little trimming and simplifying some objectives would go a long way. It’s weird that they made some levels so much longer but kept the payout the same.
Why is ballistic engine #5? It's a fairly easy op and the final area is by far the easiest of all the ops. As for the sandstorms, yes its harder to see everything but its also harder for enemies to see you. Its one of my go to's for grinding xp or weapons
True, if I were ranking based solely on farming XP, the list would look different. I was also considering whether the journey had cool ideas, memorable moments, and interesting objectives. I may have overcomplicated it, but I’m taking notes and plan to approach comparison videos differently in the future.
The forces of Chaos are a pain to fight against. The only melee fighters are the ones that are even capable of shrugging off your heavy melee attacks. The tyranids are more up close and personal. Keep em coming. Aside from neurothropes. I main assault and these guys suck...
Yeah, not sure why there isn't a jump-pack uppercut move to use against flying enemies. Also, I don't get why a Vanguard can't grapple a Neuro or Zoan while they're in the air.
@@MidiorGaming that is good. wish they added more than 1 tho. cause what will happen is that you play that new operations a couple of times and your back into that boringness and repetetivness loop again
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Thanks for watching! Looking forward to reading your thoughts about the Operations levels in Space Marine 2 and how you would rank them.
The ranking is:
SS. All 3 Tyranids operations.
F. All 3 Chaos operations.
I totally agree
The best list by far.
Exactly lol. Only the first chaos mission is kinda playable
@@Crusher888 yeah, the one with "possible chaos forces" ;-)
@@Crusher888 why??
i wish the demonhost and helldrake were actual bosses and not minigames/capture the point objectives
Yeah the Helldrake would easily have been good with some tweaks. Don't know what they could have done with the demon host tho without drastically changing how it.
Lets be honest, they're destiny bosses.
Daemonhost would break the lore if we just shot it to kill it. Heldrake could've been something different though.
@@chandlerh2408 i mean we can still do the shrines but at least make it spawn (like the sorcerers) to go after us a bit with melee attacks or something, as it is im more afraid of random terminator spamming rockets than I am of a demonhost, mostly because its harmless on half the shrines with the walls blocking its attacks
@@Error-mn4el OH that i agree on, it isn't threatening at all.
Me running Inferno for the 200th time to finish my armor
You're making the Emperor proud.
Brother, perhaps we have crossed paths. I too, relentlessly run Inferno Substantial and Ruthless for the Emperors gifts of bling....
And also armoury data to skip those god awful block weapons, and the numerous boltguns.
Whilst it might not be the best option for my Pve loving brothers, PvP battles are very quick and give you an armor segment for every victory, it’s a good way to really finish your style quickly.
Inferno and Decapitation are my favorites. I personally don't enjoy fighting against Thousand Sons. I think all operation missions are well designed, but fighting against Thousand Sons feel a bit off.
Tyranid missions are bit more forgiving when you go straight for the majoris enemies. Tsons missions are a shift to bit more balance. You want to thin the minoris while you also keep tabs on majoris+ enemies. its a bit more nuanced than just that but its a start.
No one enjoys thousand sons lol
Yeah, the Thousand Sons are definitely tougher than the Tyranids. I've been leveling up some characters on Decap and Inferno, so I haven't fought them post-patch yet. Did the changes they made help? I saw they lowered the number of shielded bird demons.
@@MidiorGaming after the patch they are easier to fight against, but still kinda boring compared to Tyranids.
@@BoşnakPanda its because there is no blood
"Ballistic Engine is number 5."
Yes, Chaplain? This man right here.
Decapitation is one of the best things in modern gaming.
Ballistic engine at 5 is questionable
That's fair, what rank would you give Ballistic Engine?
@@MidiorGaming it’s super quick the atmosphere is beautiful at the start and None of the objectives are tedious like some of the chaos missions. It’s gotta be number 2 or 3 for me behind inferno and decapitation
Edit: also tyranids are just way more fun to fight
Yeah, I really enjoy Ballistic Engine's vibe. It reminded me of Darktide and witnessing Tertium for the first time. Except with a lot more sand, lmao.
agree, awesome level, the dust storms have been turned down and are not really an issue anymore, the level itself is great!! maybe 2 or 3 for me.
@@calebheisserer5391 its #1 for me, i love that mission especially the end, and agreed on the second part too, ALL BUGS MUST DIE
I personally think Inferno is shorter because the Hive Tryant can really fuck you up on higher difficulties if you get an incompetent team or, emperor forbid, you play with Ai
A piece of advice for anyone building up characters:
Weapon mastery and unlocks are shared between all classes, meaning any progress leveling up the bolter pistol for example is shared amongst all your characters.
If you start grinding the tactical, assault, vanguard or bulwark you can get the chainsword and bolter to max level which will be a great help for when you start leveling other characters since you will get to use high level weaponry regardless of your current level.
Great advice! I leveled up the Vanguard first, which made leveling the Tactical class pretty easy due to the weapon overlap.
Yes. At least your secondary and melee's.
Half the classes utilize the Chainsword and bolt pistol.
Vox Liberatus on Ruthless purely from an efficiency standpoint is probably #1. So many skip-able sections of mobs that you can get it done very quick. Excellent leveling. Decap is sooo much fun though! Especially on a class using Melta. Haha
Lmao why would you want to skip sections. Most ppl bought this game to fight hordes of enemies but you bought it to run away from them. Dont think this game is for you bro😂
@@CupOfLibertea87your view is very narrow-minded, after playing the game and enjoying killing tons of enemies, the primary goal for most players is then to grind classes to level 25 and get relic weapons, and then enjoy the game better from there. Thus such players would rather find the fastest way to get to that stage so they can enjoy playing with strong weapons and good skills.
Anyway he paid for the game with his own money, did you buy it for him? If not, he doesn't have to take your advice on how he should play.
That is a good efficiency tip, I'll have to try it while leveling up weapons.
So.... Once you have leveled up each character and weapon to its Max, what is there left to do ? The whole point of grinding each operation over and over is to max out everything once that has been achieved there's not a whole lot left. You are going to rush to finish everything and have no reason to keep grinding.Anyways you do you hopefully we don't end up on the same team as that automatically puts me and everyone who enjoys actually playing the game on a 2 man team.
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I knew Decapitation would be #1! Such a fun, thematic mission. Very on brand for a crack team of space marines!
Its nice sharing space and fighting side by side with The Guard aswell.
Hive Tyrant mission is easily the best, I can only hope we see another hive tyrant uninjured at some point.
Oh, I bet that would be fun! Also, instead of regular enemies, it would summon in extremis enemies.
IMO all the operations with Tyranids are just better than fighting the heretics, Tyranids are just more fun to fight against.
The lack of executions against the Thousand Sons also make it repetitive too quick. When I'm fighting against Tyranids, I could actually role play harder.
I agree with the thousands suns sentiment, i also hate how they just fall apart like legos when you kill them, its not very satisfying. With xenos you kill em and you’re drenched in blood after, makes them much more satisfying to kill
100%. Executions against Tyranids are way more satisfying than the glitter and smoke from Chaos Marines. I learned why the Chaos Marines do that, but it still doesn't feel as good.
I'll take dust storms over that bloody battery charging sequence any day.
Definitely agree with #6 and that Inferno and Decapitation are easily the best operations. I don't personally mind Ballistic Engine, but the sandstorms do get really annoying.
Decapitation became my favorite mission from the moment I first played it.
The helldrake thing feels like a Dark Souls level.
The trolley escort really ruins Atreus for me. That big open platform makes flipping the turntables miserable and shows off the worst of the 1K mechanics. I think Ballistic is the better version even with the dust storms.
I’m fond of the Helldrake. The bridge is one of the best set pieces and the boss fight is largely fine if the squad knows what they’re doing. It’s definitely the one that can have ruined runs with the wrong players.
That's fair. I've had some rough runs right at the trolley part too. I thought it was funny that the Helldrake was already burning the bridge before we even got off the elevator, but I agree that going through that bridge section is fun.
the only mission where i snapped at a teammate who kept pushing the trolley wrong way and typed me to "turn it", not knowing that its impossible if someone moves it
@@prostokeereell1286 it would help so much if it was clearer which end was forward. Also if it flipped after charging.
Hardest difficultty isn't hard unless other people are getting cooked 😂
The chaos marines are only run to fight if your sniper, heavy, or tactical. The other melee centered classes will always have more fun against bugs. The thousand sons was the wrong choice on a chaos faction to add i feel it should've been the world eaters as they are more melee focused
I enjoy fighting them with the Vanguard, as well as the ones you mentioned. This game has got me watching a lot of lore videos, World Eaters is added to my list.
@MidiorGaming yeah but vanguard cannot use their ability on the helldrake boss. So i feel its less fun
It would have made more sense if it was the Night Lords, as they're the moral and ethical antithesis to the Raven Guard, AND they're doing precisely what the Thousand Sons are doing, but wouldn't have the bending of Lore Constraints that they're performing with regards to the Thousand Sons.
And they're also a Melee centered faction within the Traitor Legions, utilizing hit and run tactics and terror strategies to cause panic and chaos before the big reveal.
Or the Word Bearers. Worshipping the Pantheon of Chaos itself, would make more sense and opens up a realm of opportunity as they would utilize all four powers and benefits of the 4 Dark Gods.
The Black Legion would be the safest. But Abaddon and the Black Legion are off gallivanting through the area surrounding the Eye, after the destruction of Cadia.
Iron Warriors would be unique. But they'd be showing up in force. They don't like subterfuge, but there would have to be an end goal for them as well. They don't go to war for no reason. There's usually some gainful end objective (read Storm of Iron for a great concept of the lengths the Iron Warriors would go for precious objectives).
Hopefully the Horde coming out has the max 12 player count so we can properly role-play a chapter fantasy or 4 separate chapter squads
That would be fun.
The Hive Tyrant is also my favorite mission. I like to think how much worse it would be to fight the tyrant if we didn’t drop a building on it first
Some of the Operations that involve activating consoles can be extra frustrating.
For example, in Ballistic Engine, if you activate the incorrect console the sequence resets and you have to wait even longer. This can make it endless if someone isn't paying attention and is just activating the first console they reach
oh yea, I got caught in a reset loop with the crane consoles on Fall of Atreyus once, that was a frustrating run.
Why the tyrannids aren't attacking the servitors? They can barely feel them. Servitors are all lobotomized, some more thoroughly than others. They are basically just machines at that point. Used and abused, parts replaced as they break down. The Tyrannids are in an active war effort, looking for maximum organic matter to fuel biomass demands. They do this through basic smell and vision, but also latent psychic resonance in living beings. Servitors are low priority precisely because they tyrannids probably don't even recognize them as anything other than tainted carrion that would take more processing than would be worth the time while engaging resistance.
The servitor scanning on Reliquary really does need a redesign of some sort. I don't know how best to address it, but I think I'd rather it be a single scan that requires you to defend that area or something rather than following the servitor around as it randomly tries spots.
I am addicted to ballistic engine
Decapitation is easily the best one, simply for the fact that typically, my other two team mates tend to die leaving me to solo the Tyrant, and that shit gives me a HELL of a rush going one on one with nothing but the Emperors Protection and a Combat Knife! SLY MARBO BE DAMNED!
Decapitation objectively the best mission. Vox is actually great for speed running and leveling up fast.
I couldnt agree more with the #1 pick, Love the bridge hold, love the chase and love the final fight! Awesome video!
RIght! That level is so good!
I had the same thought about the tyranids not targetting the servitors and i brought this up with one of my friends. He felt that since the tyranids lacked a hive tyrant (since we killed theirs) or swarmlord in the area which would lead to the tyranids not being nearly as strategic. That they would resort to their more primal nature and servitors tend to lack biomass and would not seem to be a threat. They were struggling to get a foothold and therefore also focused on more nearby threats, which we would have been far enough away to be less noticed. But hey, who knows, could have very well been plot armor. Kind of like how the Tyranids lack any kind of plot armor themselves and never win any major battles. :P
Good point. I figured the Tyranids wouldn't care about the servitors for their meat, but they'd notice the big bomb they were hauling and might try to stop it. I didn’t consider that the hive tyrant would be dead at this point, so they’d be less strategic.
@@MidiorGaming Who knows honestly! It very well could have been the devs thinking, "whats a way to make this scene more interesting? Lets have a bunch of slaves pull the giant bomb, instead of a winch or somekind of railcar, because thats metal af (and very much warhammer) 😂😅 It is cool to see a content creator point out the finer details in things, some of which i noticed and questioned myself 😂
Wow, I actually really agree with this list. I totally agree why 1 is before 5, definitely better for grinding. But 5 is the second best for sure
The battery escort one will always be bottom for me. Absolute nightmare with pubs turning the damn thing around or moving it when I’m trying to turn it around and it goes nowhere near where I need it…
Heard! Yeah, I think the last part could be reworked. The turning sections should be automated, and the button could be repurposed to fix a turning jam instead of requiring us to align the track. Additionally, only one charge should be needed.
AH! No wonder I keep getting decapitation in quick match!!!
I'm interested why killing a tyrant doesn't give you upgrade thing. This mission doesn't have a random boss enemy anyway...
I like the boss at the end levels. Cuz no matter what you’ve done up to that point it doesn’t matter if you lose. I’ve had a few of those on Decapitation and to be honest it allows me to always give it a certain respect. Sometimes the Tyrant is just ruthless 😂
For real, sometimes when the adds spawn, their attacks are staggered in a way that I just end up getting beat up
Fighting the Tyranids feels normal, but fighting the Thousand Sons feels off. Because they don't feel lore accurate. Not in their combat capability, but just in their deployment. In table top, the army requires Sorcerers in order for the Thousand Sons to effectively operate, after all the bulk of the army is automata entombed in their armor thanks to Ahriman trying to halt the corruption of the Warp when they fled their home planet in the face of the Space Wolves onslaught.
You'd think that they'd use WAY more Sorcerers. And I don't even think Tzeentch has cults that follow him. Most cults usually end up following the other three Dark Gods. Tzeentch is the God of Chance and being an unpredictable twat. The emphasis of demons would be greater than the emphasis of Marines or Cultists.
But the frequency would also be lower. You'd be facing WAY more sorcery and dark warp energies than you would physical enemies. These aren't khornate worshippers who will throw bodies into the fight, nor are the Nurgle's kin who would have a near infinite amount of tough resources to use, nor are they Slaanesh... For obvious reasons...
Of them all, the whole concept of the Thousand Sons is that they're a clever Legion that utilizes deception and subterfuge rather than direct contact and bludgeoning tactics. Its only when they know they have the upper hand against their enemies, that they would strike with immense force.
Putting the train mission at 3 is a mentally ill take
I really hope they are working on more operations. I’m sure they are but god I need more. I can’t get enough of this game.
According to the roadmap, it looks like the next one will be a Tyranid map in Season 2
@@MidiorGaming awesome to hear. Any idea when that might be? I’m guessing beginning of next year but I would love it to be sooner.
@@SStoge21Most sources say before the end of the year for season 2, but no exact date is given yet.
Relic is actually my top 2 operation, top 1 being Decap and 3, Inferno. Even if the final fight is a little underwhealming combat-wise, the whole idea of the level just screams "epic futuristic fantasy quest." You explore catacombs where legendary heroes rest, escorting a little guy npc that actually says some wild shit if you pay attention, then make a wild run through a demon-ocupied bridge-town while a SORCERY-POWERED DRAGON JET throws incendiary air strikes at you to finally confront it at the heart of a cathedral, then have to use ancient holy technology to break its impenetrable defenses while it spits hellfire at you and its demonic minions try to overwhealm you. Its just... Too cool man (yes i like Grey Knights and Dark Angels, how did you know 😂)
As someone who plays mostly on average difficulty, it is interesting to see how much people hate fighting chaos compared to nids. I'm the opposite. I'd fight a terminator over a lictor any day of the week.
Haha, yeah, Lictors always manage to land some hard hits on me. I also find Tyranids more fun to fight, but once I got upgraded gear, the Chaos forces became manageable. Blowing them up with a melta is pretty fun-though, honestly, blowing anything up with a melta is fun.
The Hive Tyrant fight is really fun. Completely agree with the first 2 choices.
I wish devs would add another Hive Tyrant or The Swarmlord fight in the next updates
I really think that the reason why the Nids are more fun to fight is that the Tzeench guys all shoot.
Every singke one of them except the Gors.
I think they have some rubric marines armed with egypian space swords (kopesh?) It would have been nice to have them at least.
Also you cannot stagger the warpfire guys they wont go melee with you, just keep igniting you.
It is so fun to duel with elite (majoris?) Nids in this game but no elite chaos want to engage you in melee.
TLDR chaos boys too shooty
Agree with your list. I play Decapitate & Inferno the most. I also agree that Atreus is fun. I ignore Ops 4.
inferno is my least favorite to play, its not a bad map its just my play style doesnt work with it ..I play tactical with bolter w G-launcher.. The map has way too many corners n tight spaces. granted it could be just because im used to being a dmr main in open world shooters n rpgs
90% of ppl play inferno over band over plus decapitation ( matchmaking time ) rest of missions is one time go and forget, they are too long and risk of insta death is too high and than 40 min of your life wasted
It feels like thousand sons are completely melee unfriendly, if they give them some more melee attacks at close range instead of teleporting they'd me much more fun
I've been busy leveling up some items and haven't played a chaos map since patch 3.0. I heard they reduced the number of shield birds, I hated those guys.
@MidiorGaming they got a pretty big nerf, numbers aren't super different but they aren't tanky and the shields get knocked away easier now
Ive had the unfortunate luck of making Bulwark my main class to try to get the max level trophies.
Honestly? I would switch Decapitation and Vox Liberatus. Some parts in Decap are *brutal* imo when you have nothing but a pistol, like the tower bomb section. Especially when the game decides to be a jerk and spawn two Zoanthropes
And don't forget your game consistently freezing after a victory resetting all your progress...
Valius made op 5 my third favorite
Good list to be fair however mine would be:
1. Decapitation
2. Vox Liberatis
3. Inferno
4. Ballistic Engine
5. Rise of Atreus
6. Reliquary
I’d probably have vox liberatis as 1 just because it has a little of everything and it’s an awesome mission. Decapitation definitely at second and still being the best mission for leveling
Vox is a fun mission with some cool ideas.
6:07 look mom, i can shoot them without holding my gun.
M1 and M6 are basically the same level, but M1 lools better, M2 is pretty good but over hyped, M3 is not to bad and I actually enjoy it because you fight both factions, M5 pretty good tbh but its purly chaos (I dont mind chaos but nids are more fun atm), M4 just feels like a slog all the way through.
M1 = M6 > M2 > M3 > M5 > M4
Yeah, M4 is the worst.
Fall of Atreus is great up until the ending bit. Completely insufferable with randoms, and kills the replayability of the entire thing for me, unless I'm with friends.
I would say in terms of replay value, it goes; Inferno, Ballistic Engine and Decapitation for me. In that order. Not quite as visually interesting as FoA and Vox Liberatis, but very fun to cycle through when you're just trying to level up weapons & classes without burning out on a single op.
i swear i cant fucking beat fall of atreus on anything higher than min with randoms cuz every time i try i get some brainlet who insists on being in charge of the buttons, and another who insists on babysitting the cart, and the two of them send it to the wrong side of the room and freak the fuck out the nothings happening as enemies just keep spawning. Infuriating mission with randoms. I didnt buy the game to guide smoothbrains thru the block-hole puzzle box lmao
Yeah, that ending part should be changed up, it lasts too long on a mission that's already too long. Your level farming cycle makes sense, I've just been bouncing between Decap and Inferno.
Reliquary is really a pity, the map itself is absolutely cool. I walked past the first area like 10 times thinking that's a collapsing castle on the other side of the cliff, but imagine my awe when I found out that it's an entire Imperator-class Titan. The giant space marine statue in the middle of the tomb was also really cool too. Wish they have half the length of the cemetery, cut the basement of the tombs, less of the bridge, and instead have us fight up the tower while the heldrake encircles us, and end in an actual boss fight at the top.
I still don't get why did the heldrake just conveniently landed (or why landed at all?) where there are relics waiting to shoot beams at it, what was the purpose of the consoles and the beam shooting relic in the first place, and why did the heldrake's explosion took out the entire tower along with the beacon...
Exactly!
I disagree on the sandstorm. Forwhatwver reason, a lot of shooters will have counter after counter, making it hard to do melee builds in their game while almost never having a counter for ranged builds. If I have to fight aroubd slows, explosive enemies, seeing an enemy bot walking backwards faster than I can sprint forward while able to shoot me with anti-stormtrooper aim in one more gd game I'mgoing to pop a cork. I also like the horror movie vibe of hearing a swarm maneuvering around us while our visibility is limited and you see their silhouettes slowing coming I to view.
The Trolly area for Fall of Atreus is solid, and I think mission lengths should be closer to it personally. It's engaging, is done faster with teamwork, and keeps you moving. Unlike many other objectives like Inferno with the hive swarm flanking us while we wait for and undescript timer or decapitation while we fight a set horde while waiting for a kill trigger to move us to detonation the bomb.
The elevator on Vox Liberatis is more of a missed opportunity than anything. Throughout most operations we can move at our own pace while doing objectives and here is an opportunity to take that control away from us and put us on a roller coaster like drop where we are being g challenged to clear enemies who have a set spawn rate as the elevators move. In higher difficulties, enemies should be dropping down from the various floors rather than mainly just teleporting in, or they could completely scrub all of that and spawn a Helbrute once in awhile.
The Dreadnaught section was also a missed opportunity. The Dreadnought should have been a pass or fail checkpoint and involve fighting more Helbrutes, but these ones wouldn't give armory data. And if the Dreadnaught is destroyed from taking too much damage, then there would be no way to open the door, and we could get a mission failed. Rather instead the "challenge of the entire section is just spamming dumb spawns that just have us fighting while being constantly out of position that we were more or less forced to do. The elevator in Vox at least makes perfect sense, it would be like watching a mad max movie but here we are just being put in a crappy position because they wanted to make the section somewhat hard while fighting with a dreadnaught and they got lazy and made it hard for the wrong reasons.
To me the best moments are the ones realizing there are stakes. When I failed the engine mission because I was fighting an extremis enemy and the swarm took out the train I now really enjoy that feeling when I see the swarm coming in and I have to make sure I'm ready to defend the train.
All in all, I find all of these missions of being very well designed and super replayable. There isn't a single one I've gotten tired of playing and really reminds me of the days of playing ME3 multiplayer.
Thanks for the detailed reply! I might start doing tier lists instead because with my ranking from 5 to 1, I’d happily replay those, but I’m not sure if that comes across clearly with just a numbered ranking.
You make a good point about the dust storm acting as a counter for shooters.
I like that there’s one long mission, but I wish the payout was higher to justify it.
A Dreadnought on the elevator would be great, especially if it turned into a full-on three-way fight with Tyranids, Chaos forces, and multiple Extremis enemies.
Speaking of horror movie vibes, Lictors have jump-scared me a couple of times now!
Balistic engine, and inferno eazy god tier, way better than rest
Disagree only on the fact that the helldrake fight is actually cool, fun and challenging. My buddies and i love that mission
Oh yeah, if you're enjoying that level with friends, by all means, keep doing so. I’m just saying, with two melee-focused classes, it would be fun to get in there and stab or pummel the dragon, or even block dragon swipes with your shield.
Inferno imo is the best. Not every build is good against the hive tyrant and the minibosses you can skip depending on which part of the mission you're on and such. Decap I'd put on number 2
You see ya had me until you put fall of Atreus at 3. That is one of if not the most annoying piece of garbage operations. Anything involving chaos instantly should go in the back three
Heard! I hope we get to fight alongside larger units like the dreadnought again, maybe in Horde mode if not in newer operations.
they did the helldrake a massive L. I was looking forward to fighting the helldrake while i was playing campaign, only for it to turn into a niche mechanic battle
The tyranids are just way more fun to fight
I dont see this game having a long life alot of people are maxed out already they should of partnered with fat shark for this game
That's fair. On the other hand, we do have new modes and maps on the way. I plan to stick with this game until I stop having fun playing or creating content for it.
I've played Vox Liberatus a lot and it's honestly a favorite. Especially when it gets to the point where the Tyranids and Thousand Sons converge cause it has so many variations. Sometimes it's majority Tyranids, Majority Chaos, sometimes there's a Hellbrute, and sometimes a Carnifex. There's even been occasions where a swarm or portal manifests behind you as you exit the door basically surrounding you. I really hope future operations hone in on that variability.
The map is really good, and I’d love to see more runs with three-way fighting. It just hasn’t been the case for me.
@@MidiorGaming yeah same. Honestly I feel like 3 way fighting operations are the only way they could do chaos operations without having a good portion of backlash from the community since people like the Tyranid ones more
3 and 2 are the best
I don't know why fighting tyranids is so much fun and then you play a chaos level and it's just "ugh" feeling. Decapitation and Inferno are hands down the best levels and very fun and well paced. The others I feel they were made artificially long just because and their mechanics are mostly an annoyance than actual fun.
@@Colouh The Thousand suns are just more annoying. They teleport, are almost exclusively ranged and hurt, plus their two extremis enemies the Terminator and Sorcerer are just major pains as well. Tyranids just feel fair and have diversity in weapons, attacks, and units
For sure, a little trimming and simplifying some objectives would go a long way. It’s weird that they made some levels so much longer but kept the payout the same.
They need to add more missions or people will leave before horde mode
For real, I know we are getting one in season 2 and it looks like a Tyranid level.
Why is ballistic engine #5? It's a fairly easy op and the final area is by far the easiest of all the ops. As for the sandstorms, yes its harder to see everything but its also harder for enemies to see you. Its one of my go to's for grinding xp or weapons
True, if I were ranking based solely on farming XP, the list would look different. I was also considering whether the journey had cool ideas, memorable moments, and interesting objectives. I may have overcomplicated it, but I’m taking notes and plan to approach comparison videos differently in the future.
Great video my guy! Keep up the fun videos. Cheers mate
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the video!
@@MidiorGaming was great. Cheers
worst operation: all chaos stuff
BUT THERES ONLY 6 OPERATIONS😮😮
I’d flip inferno and decpitation I also think ballistic engine was too low
Pot-shots, not pop-shots
Tyranids fun to fight chaos not so much plus I hate the thousand sons. Gimme some world eaters or death guard.
The forces of Chaos are a pain to fight against. The only melee fighters are the ones that are even capable of shrugging off your heavy melee attacks. The tyranids are more up close and personal. Keep em coming. Aside from neurothropes. I main assault and these guys suck...
Yeah, not sure why there isn't a jump-pack uppercut move to use against flying enemies. Also, I don't get why a Vanguard can't grapple a Neuro or Zoan while they're in the air.
@@MidiorGaming Hammer in hand, I proudly look up and... feel severely undergunned all of a sudden
I feel this game desperatly needs more operations. The operations begin to become very boring and quite repetetive imo
Saber announced in a post that we're getting a new Tyranid map this month.
@@MidiorGaming
that is good. wish they added more than 1 tho. cause what will happen is that you play that new operations a couple of times and your back into that boringness and repetetivness loop again
No marking, no relic weapons. I lost interest 5 minutes in.
1: Decapitation
2: Inferno
3..... rest is garbage
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