Zip ties will work. As long as you have a system that will hold when on anchor and break when the anchor is stuck you are good. It is good if you double tie the zip ties back on the chain so you do not leave plastic in the ocean.
G’day from “Down Unda” WHERE WAS THIS CLIP YESTERDAY BEFORE I BUSTED MY BUTT PULLING UP ANCHOR... You converted me in the first 30s. The very much for all your informative videos, it is a life saver for newbies like me. Keep the tips flowing...
Thanks, I do not think the length is super important. If you buy an anchor ball with the ring it comes with a rope around 5 feet. That seems pretty long so some people cut them back as short as 18 inches.
There can be no slack in the link in the uni-knots. The chain will be pulled from that connection if there is some slack you are pulling the chain from the knot connection so it is the rope there supporting all the push force, not the chain. That will break for sure.
I tie the excess off my knot around the eye of the anchor so that when it breaks it will come up with the anchor to be properly disposed of. I also tend to use zip ties for this task and it works really well for me versus tying a line around the eye. JMTCW
Captain Cody If you figure 8 the zip tie by attaching the first zip tie to the eye of the anchor onto the chain and the second zip tie goes around the eye of the anchor around the first zip tie so that when the zip tie snaps the other one will hold it in place.
@@NortheastFloridaPWC Once the one zip tie breaks off the anchor won't it also breaks of the other zip tie? I see some zip ties with a loop on the top of them that I think would work.
Good idea / cleaver / intuitive. Makes me wonder if putting the windless back on after chopping it off for renovations it worth the hassle. Only it would be good if you first tied knout around chain link so plastic is collected not inconvieniencing some poor fish. Also it looks like the Aluminium holding anchor thingy needs reinforcing back-plate going down to hull with support welds {so as not to put fracture bottom of hull}. Thanks for the anchor tip - Im new to all this - and theres valuable hindsight - thanks!
Yeah using and anchor ball is way better than hand pulling, that is for sure. Sometimes windless is nicer but depends on the setup and depth of anchoring. Wrapping any cleat works in most boats even without all the aluminum welding. Thanks for watching!
It is an Allen Marine Orca. Built in Sitka Alaksa. I was just running it for the season but the boat is a beast. Really good to run in big waves and rainy weather.
Thanks yeah, more chain makes it so you can get away with less scope in many situations. It is a bit depth, amount of chain, and type of anchor dependent though. Thanks for watching!
you dont always need 5:1 scope all depends on how much holding power you want/need. if it is calm conditions and need a temporary anchor you can use less scope but will have less holding power if conditions pick up
Great video and information. With our 47’ cruising sailboat, I’m not sure how I feel about shackling the chain to the trip hole of our 25kg Rocna. Especially with any veering winds. Curious what trip methods you abandoned to arrive at this. Keep on sharing!
Yeah, that is a good point. The few times I anchored up overnight to sleep on boats we actually use another metal shackle and some metal zip ties to ensure it will not break free. The other methods I see are with metal or plastic zip ties. There are ones with top loops so you can recover the plastic when the anchor breaks free. I have never had a nice Rocna. My thought is you probably have a windlass and do not get stuck that often? A scuba trip if it does get stuck!
As long as it only breaks when pulling the anchor I am good with that. If it ever breaks when on anchored due to waves or changing winds, that would be an issue but I never had that happen. They break away should not be so strong that it pulls the boat sideways when using the anchor ball. Sometimes this may still happen if the anchor is really stuck on some structure and you have to pull from the right angle to get it out.
Well, many people recommend using zip ties with a top loop. Then use other zip ties to make it so they do not go into the water when they break. Seems like a good idea. I did not realize the rope would not easily biodegradable at the time.
It is an Allen Marine. They make most of the big whale watching boats in Alaska. The manufacturing is done in Sitka Alaska. I have a video on my channel where I do a boat tour of the boat. Thanks for watching Albert!
Cowboys use rope. Fishermen use line. Just like a map is to chart. Also the stainless steel wire on your anchor shackle should be rubber wrapped for safety and appearance. Nice video on retrieving your anchor. I have been using your method of trolling for salmon with whole herring. So simple yet effective. I used to use cut plug herring but I believe your method has a better presentation and rotation. Thanks.
Thanks! Interesting, I typically see people use the monel wire or plastic zip ties for the anchor shackle. Yeah, that way to hook up herring is fast and works for trolling or mooching. Thanks for watching Steve!
Newb here, trying to learn/research all the topics raised here. 30' sport cruiser, only fish occasionally, have a fluke anchor that is breaking at the welds, looking at a Bruce or Danforth 22lb to replace it, so obviously interested in not losing it. Love the Rocna - perhaps if confidence is VERY HIGH lol. The idea of a second, buoyed line to the head in lieu of a breakaway seems brilliant. But my boat doesn't even have room up in the anchor stow for a ball buoy as shown in this video (better solution? inflatable buoy?). Considering doing a custom windlass install but thats another conversation - cant get the OEM WL anymore. I have a 10' rode with heavy (I believe) 5/8" chain. What happens when anchored and wind shifts 180', without a breakaway? Unless your anchor has a hinge, won't it pull free anyway? Same with a breakaway I guess, just faster. I don't plan to overnight anchored often, but I will never forget doing so with my brother's 40' at Lake George island camping. We swam two anchors out offshore, since we would have trashed the dock and the hull on the rocks, with the size of the waves. This saved our boat, but in bigger seas might have broadsided the boat with a windshift and giant waves - not good...fortunately the islands provided some wind relief and we weathered it. Long night. I know a lot of questions here, and no right answer for all. Add to that the idea of backing up/moving forward during recovery - in danger of fouling my anchor line in the props - scares the hell out of me. Appreciate any/all insights...TIA. p.s. heading over to your 'knots' video...
I really like the Bruce for short term anchor situations. You can get an anchor ball with a open ring and carbiner. This allows you to store the ball anywere on boat. In the description I link to an article with the best anchors that show this at the bottom. For overnight the delta or Rocna like you say are very good. This is common for sailboats. If you do stay overnight place a metal shackle on the breakaway. If you try the anchor ball and do not like it then you could get an expensive windless setup, however an anchor ball is pretty easy to use.
@@CaptainCody7 Sorry I mistyped 5/8" - I meant 5/16", but I looked at my rode and it's 1/4" chain. What type of shackle are you recommending for the breakaway on the overnight scenario? Still nervous about motoring with the anchor line next to the boat...really need to practice this to get comfortable with the idea.
@@deraeler Yeah, practice when the seas are not to rough. It depends how big the hole on the anchor is and size of chain. There are actual metal shackles built to connect the chain to the loop in the rope that can work if you get the correct size. We add wire on the hole so the screw can not back out. Other times we have just used metal zip ties. You could also just move the anchor connection to the front possibly depending on the design.
Yeah, that is another good way to do it. Many have suggested using ties that have a connection loop at the top so it can be connected back to the anchor, so the plastic can be recovered.
Sí, esto es cierto. Algunas personas sugirieron atar el otro extremo a la cadena para que cuando se rompa, la cuerda esté en la cadena en lugar de en el océano. ¡Gracias por ver!
If used while anchoring next to a ship wreck while scuba diving, I would imagine that it is possible for the anchor to get hooked on the wreck if your not careful. I wonder what would happen if the anchor does not release or gets hooked on something like a wreck. Would your bow stay above water as you get pulled to a abrupt stop?
Julian Morrison What I do when fishing a wreck or rocks is use a rock anchor the spines are made to bend when pulled using boat..That’s what 99% of people use here in Chesapeake bay area and Offshore our wrecks ,they are pretty inexpensive too , just my two cents..lol
If the Bruce anchor gets stuck the cable ties should break and the anchor is pulled from the front releasing it. Sure depending on the structure, it is possible to get the anchor stuck. Never tie the anchor off to the back or middle of the boat as this can sink or flip a boat in a stuck anchor situation. When tied to the front the boat should just be pulled to the sided and the boat should be slowed down and or taken out of gear. If you go to fast it could still cause problems in the front so be reasonable.
John Carter fish the same area and most of us use rebar anchors we have friends wield up. I still use the eye at the top and zip line at bottom. Most the time it comes out easy this way
@@dancheesman1752 Interesting, that could work. Most people I saw used ba Bruce or Fluke. As I mentioned in my other comment make sure not to tie off to the stern when using an anchor ball to retrieve the anchor.
I did not have the anchor pull all season even in heavy winds and waves. Their are defiantly anchors with higher holding power such as a delta anchor. I wrote an article about the best anchor types and a link is provided in the video description. For sailboats and anchoring overnight there are better options. A bruce is great for a fishing boat anchor though and I like that it pulls backwards when stuck. Thanks for watching!
But if you attach your anchor with twine then in a big blow the twine will break, the anchor as it only held at the base will also not hold and the boat will break free. IMO you might as well use a tiny anchor, it would have a similar effect. Otherwise I like the anchor ball retrieval system. I guessing it probably wouldn't work with a sailing boat as not fast enough.
I think an anchor ball would work for a sail boat. It would just take a bit longer and you need to be able to tie off to the front obviously. I have not had an issue with it breaking because of waves. It takes a pretty strong pull to break it free.
It would be easier to have a windlass pull the anchor. Imagine if you were surrounded by other boats how would you perform the anchor ball w/o dragging everyone else anchor? I would use the anchor ball technique if the anchor stock
Yeah, if you have a windless that is great. For smaller boats though it is hard to find one with 1000 plus feet of anchor line though. It really depends how the boat is setup and where you are fishing.
Captain Cody The fuse refers to the cord or tay wraps at the end of the anchor if you have the chain with a loop in bad weather is goin to brake and the anchor is going to snap out, you don’t want that, also if you have wind shifting you’re going to brake it to, if you’re aspecting bad weather is better to secure the chain with a shackle and tay a fender with in off line to float and when need it , pull it out from the back, 🤜🤛
Dan Cheeseman, it is not a good idea to tie off to the back of the boat. If the anchor gets stuck it can sink the boat really quickly. This has happened to many people. Professional charter captains can even get in trouble if this happens.
Captain Cody I do it only to retrieve the anchor, never to hold bottom. Although there are commercial grouper fishermen I know in Florida that do anchor on ledges by their stern. I agree with you though on this point.
@@dancheesman1752 In both cases you do not want to tie to the stern. People have sunk there boat when pulling anchor with it tied off to the stern. This happened where I fish and luckily people were nearby to rescue the people on the boat. It was cold water and could have been worse. When the rope is tied to the front and the anchor sticks it should just pull the front to the side and you can power down. If it is tied to the stern it can pull the back of the boat underwater.
Captain Cody we do it all the time that way so as not to get caught in the gear. Guess it depends on the boat also. We back down on fish also, which I’m guessing go you don’t normally do.
@@dancheesman1752 It really is a recipe for disaster Dan. In big seas, if you're running, trying to get the ball down the line and the anchor is hung, it can pull your stern under in a heartbeat.
People have suggested to additionally tie the rope to the chain so it can be retrieved. Do you know of a good fabric that will dissigrate faster than nylon? Possibly dacron? Thanks for watching.
It's all fun and games until you realize that the nice subtle raising of the anchor is thwarted by the anchor being completely stuck and breaking a cleat, line, and having the bow pulled violently towards the line side. Been there.
Yeah, you do not go fast until you know the anchor has broken free. If it is stuck the front of the boat will just pull to the side. It happens fairly often with fluke style anchors without a breakaway. The anchor does have to be tied to the front of the boat. If it is tied off to the back or side it could sink or flip the boat. Thanks for watching!
Sir, please consider experimenting with a number of natural fibre tie-offs (ie hemp or sisal) to prevent waste plastic debris cluttering the oceans. Kind regards.
Thanks for the comment, after posting the video I found a few ways to not have the rope go into the ocean. They also make zip ties that attach to other zip ties on the chain. Thanks for watching!
@@CaptainCody7 Thankyou Sir. I mention it, non pejoratively, simply because for hundreds of years everything nautical was done only with natural fibres, and perhaps we could make some minor concessions - tackle wise - in that direction. Kind regards.
If tie rap is another name for a zip tie, I agree they are another good option. Some even have a tip loop so a second zip tie can be added so plastic does not end up in the ocean. Thanks for watching Mike!
@@MihaiBLU Yeah, as shown in the video you are correct, line gets left behind. The better way to do it is to tie the line back to the chain after making the knots with the chain and anchor. That is one reason for posting videos so we can talk about better ways to do things. The way I showed is how many people do it. Lots of people commented about the line going into the ocean. At the time I had not thought about that and it is a good point. Almost all fishing line does not decompose quickly and should not be left in the water. Anchors need some breakaway system thought or the anchor and anchor line will get stuck more often resulting in a lot more gear being left behind. Tying the line back or using multiple zip ties is the best solution I know of for the breakaway system.
Once again the problem here is littering the ocean when hoisting anger As the small nylon tie remains in the ocean and is not restrieved with the anker Solution is : 1 . Tie the tie first to the chain Then tie the tie to the anker bar 2 . Find a better tie system than in point one above , That will ensure total retrieval of tie material . 3 , Perhaps there is a metal clip designed to serve as a tie repetitively by design . Do research , make indepth enquiry , and through research and enquiry , You may actually solve the problem , Or actually design a chain-anker-bar-clip ( Or tie that remains on the chain or anker bar when the anker is hoisted ) BUT TO LITTER THE OCEAN IS NOT AN OPTION . JAH BLESS ... 🙏👍🏻👏🏻🔥🚶♂️
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, there are a few ways to not have the line end up in the ocean if the line breaks. Zip-ties that are zip-tied back to the chain is probably the easiest.
@@CaptainCody7 If you are sure of this And that was I think what I said that you are reflecting here Then PLEASE DISSEMINATE THE INFORMATION AS FAR AND WIDE AS POSSIBLE BUT ALSO REFLECT A METAL LINK THAT SERVES AS SUCH OR DESIGN ONE ?
Well, it is not obvious unless you actually see it done. The ball just help pull the anchor from the vertical position where it is most likely to come free.
Nope. Just watched it again. Makes no sense whatsoever to me. Why not just haul the anchor in instead of going through all that rigmarole?@@CaptainCody7
Seems u don't want an anchor ... u need a weight. A large cone of concrete with an eye bolt thro it will hold u in the same conditons that wd hold with your rope-tie anchor arrangement ..... but needs no tripping buoy or line to pull it up, cos it never gets snagged.
Hmm I am not sure if that would work or not. Having a large concrete block on the boat does not seem like a good idea. Mushroom and river anchors are good for small boats in calm waters. I will say the 75 foot of chain really helps. Without this alot more line would need to be let out to get the right angle for the anchor.
@@CaptainCody7 My point is this - by disabling the function of your anchor, u have effectively turned it into a weight. Your concrete weight wouldn't weigh anymore than your anchor - it wd just be easier to handle, and no tripping system reqd.
@@CaptainCody7 If you lift it from the head it breaks out easily, can't suggest anything other than a winch though to alleviate lifting! - or crew! Round our way, we often have limited or crowded anchorages, which doesn't afford us space to use the buoy method.
That's a dangerous way to release that anchor. You can buy hoop clips for the bouy that you can click on once you've released the anchor. Holding that ring while chain and rope flying through is a recipe for injury.
@@CaptainCody7 I used to work on a pro boat and we just hooked on the bouy when we were ready to pull. No dangerous anchor release. This was on a 50ft boat so, yeah, heavy duty.
Americans have 40' boats with 3 or 4 or 6 massive outboard engines but they don't have a simple windlass. In Europe, nowadays, every boat over 25' has a windlass.
Yeah, zip ties work as well if you have them. We have gangen line on the boat for halibut leaders and that is why it is commonly done this way in Alaska. Thanks for watching!
@@CaptainCody7 .....we've turned just about every style anchor into a break-a-way simply by drilling a 3/8" hole up front and adding a screw pin shackle to attach the chain to the front.....works perfect...👌
Yeah, lots of people commented about ways to not leave a line in the water. Zip ties that secure back to the chain or tieing the other end of the line to the chain are good ideas. I am not sure if organic ropes would be strong enough. Do you know of any heavy-duty organic rope?
@@CaptainCody7 no, not just now, but if the line is not super strong, just make more turns. Or make it so one end always will remain on the chains. Just saw the video with the twins girls, and they use thick strip ties. Will be in the water for 5-600 years... Same with nylon. I also fish, but always try to get the line back in. I put on tackle that break before line. I TRY at least. But thanks for the trick, I will test in a few months 😁
There are ways to do it so the rope or zip ties stay attached to the chain. I did not realize it until I got lots of posts about rope ending up in the ocean.
@@CaptainCody7 you’re not the Önly one that initially didn’t focus on collective outcome§. I had to also speak candidly with a popular shore fisher in South Africa 🇿🇦 with his initial live-bait method. Also seeing over dramatic 🎭 people🃏 cut around 600ft of dormant line , whilst cranking in a targeted specie, doesn’t get my vote 🗳 either. In summary we see oil companies wreak Absolutę HAVOC, on 🌏ur ailing oceans 🌊 they Obviously Require a Custodial Example 🙏🏼
So you are dumpning a few feet of synthetic rope in the ocean every time you anchor? This rope will not degrade you know. It will litter the ocean for decades, if not centuries. I'm sure you can find a way so you don't have to do this. Use hemp or cotton line or just tie the end of the line to the anchor so you can hoist it back up and dispose of it responsibly.
Yeah, it is a better idea to tie the rope to the anchor chain so it can be disposed of properly. I do not know of any good strong hemp or cotton lines. Plastic zip ties work as well and can be zip tied to the anchor so they can be disposed of properly.
The line material used that I typically call gangen is Ashaway 150-pound tuna fishing line, it is made with solid braided nylon cord. Rope is not quite the right term and yeah it is commonly called twine.
Most charter boats in Sitka use 75 foot of chain with a bruce anchor. This allows us to anchor up to around 600 feet of water with only 1075 feet of line. With an anchor ball it is easy to pull as well. In shallow water or different anchor styles you can get away with less chain if you have more that 3 to 1 scope to depth.
Well the hardest part of pulling anchor is getting it free from the bottom. Also the anchor ball does hold the wait of the chain until you are right at the chain.
I did not have much success on my boat cuz I could not get enough speed. I only achieved about five knots because I was in a crowded waterway. how much speed do you think you need to pull a 15 foot chain all the way through.
Solid tips Captain ‼️‼️⛴. Vinny 🇺🇸
Thanks for watching Vinny!
What are some of the advantages of tying the chain to the anchor instead of zip tying it?
Zip ties will work. As long as you have a system that will hold when on anchor and break when the anchor is stuck you are good. It is good if you double tie the zip ties back on the chain so you do not leave plastic in the ocean.
I’m a SE Alaska troller, are you up near Cross Sound ?
That is cool! This video was taken when fishing out of Sitka Alaska, so not to far.
Great video, thank you for sharing.
Sure thing, thank you for watching!
G’day from “Down Unda”
WHERE WAS THIS CLIP YESTERDAY BEFORE I BUSTED MY BUTT PULLING UP ANCHOR... You converted me in the first 30s.
The very much for all your informative videos, it is a life saver for newbies like me.
Keep the tips flowing...
Glad you found it helpful, thanks for watching!
Great Video! Thanks for sharing noticed you have some line from the ball to the ring why is that? And what’s recommended for a 22-24’ boat. Thx 🙏🏼
Thanks, I do not think the length is super important. If you buy an anchor ball with the ring it comes with a rope around 5 feet. That seems pretty long so some people cut them back as short as 18 inches.
Great video. We do a similar thing except we tie the twine ends to the chain so they dont end up in the sea.
That is a good idea! Thanks for watching!
Would having the chain tighter for break away line prevent it breaking so often as the weight of the boat is pulling on the breakaway rope
That is an interesting point. I think that could be a factor. If no slack is in the chain maybe it will not break at all though. Thanks for watching!
Correct same observation 👍🏼
There can be no slack in the link in the uni-knots. The chain will be pulled from that connection if there is some slack you are pulling the chain from the knot connection so it is the rope there supporting all the push force, not the chain. That will break for sure.
Yeah, probably true!
I tie the excess off my knot around the eye of the anchor so that when it breaks it will come up with the anchor to be properly disposed of.
I also tend to use zip ties for this task and it works really well for me versus tying a line around the eye.
JMTCW
Good advice, is there a way to keep the zip tie from going into the ocean?
Captain Cody If you figure 8 the zip tie by attaching the first zip tie to the eye of the anchor onto the chain and the second zip tie goes around the eye of the anchor around the first zip tie so that when the zip tie snaps the other one will hold it in place.
@@NortheastFloridaPWC Once the one zip tie breaks off the anchor won't it also breaks of the other zip tie? I see some zip ties with a loop on the top of them that I think would work.
Good idea / cleaver / intuitive. Makes me wonder if putting the windless back on after chopping it off for renovations it worth the hassle. Only it would be good if you first tied knout around chain link so plastic is collected not inconvieniencing some poor fish. Also it looks like the Aluminium holding anchor thingy needs reinforcing back-plate going down to hull with support welds {so as not to put fracture bottom of hull}. Thanks for the anchor tip - Im new to all this - and theres valuable hindsight - thanks!
Yeah using and anchor ball is way better than hand pulling, that is for sure. Sometimes windless is nicer but depends on the setup and depth of anchoring. Wrapping any cleat works in most boats even without all the aluminum welding. Thanks for watching!
what kind of boat is that? how's it holding up?
It is an Allen Marine Orca. Built in Sitka Alaksa. I was just running it for the season but the boat is a beast. Really good to run in big waves and rainy weather.
great video thanks! So basically you mitigate the need for the 5-1 scope convention buy increasing the amount of chain to 75'?
Thanks yeah, more chain makes it so you can get away with less scope in many situations. It is a bit depth, amount of chain, and type of anchor dependent though. Thanks for watching!
you dont always need 5:1 scope all depends on how much holding power you want/need. if it is calm conditions and need a temporary anchor you can use less scope but will have less holding power if conditions pick up
Great video and information. With our 47’ cruising sailboat, I’m not sure how I feel about shackling the chain to the trip hole of our 25kg Rocna. Especially with any veering winds. Curious what trip methods you abandoned to arrive at this. Keep on sharing!
Yeah, that is a good point. The few times I anchored up overnight to sleep on boats we actually use another metal shackle and some metal zip ties to ensure it will not break free. The other methods I see are with metal or plastic zip ties. There are ones with top loops so you can recover the plastic when the anchor breaks free. I have never had a nice Rocna. My thought is you probably have a windlass and do not get stuck that often? A scuba trip if it does get stuck!
This is only for fishing not long term or overnight.
@@lachlanoneil8938 Yep.
6:49 sounds like a dilemma: having your front tie (the break-away mechanism) to break or not?
even if there’s no veering stress..
As long as it only breaks when pulling the anchor I am good with that. If it ever breaks when on anchored due to waves or changing winds, that would be an issue but I never had that happen. They break away should not be so strong that it pulls the boat sideways when using the anchor ball. Sometimes this may still happen if the anchor is really stuck on some structure and you have to pull from the right angle to get it out.
Is there’re something other then plastic u can use for the breakaway ? All I see is more plastic in our waters.
Well, many people recommend using zip ties with a top loop. Then use other zip ties to make it so they do not go into the water when they break. Seems like a good idea. I did not realize the rope would not easily biodegradable at the time.
What’s the make of the boat looks sweet
It is an Allen Marine. They make most of the big whale watching boats in Alaska. The manufacturing is done in Sitka Alaska. I have a video on my channel where I do a boat tour of the boat. Thanks for watching Albert!
@reindeerkid Sorry to hear that! He definitely made a positive impact.
Cowboys use rope. Fishermen use line. Just like a map is to chart. Also the stainless steel wire on your anchor shackle should be rubber wrapped for safety and appearance. Nice video on retrieving your anchor. I have been using your method of trolling for salmon with whole herring. So simple yet effective. I used to use cut plug herring but I believe your method has a better presentation and rotation. Thanks.
Thanks! Interesting, I typically see people use the monel wire or plastic zip ties for the anchor shackle. Yeah, that way to hook up herring is fast and works for trolling or mooching. Thanks for watching Steve!
A close up showing how to tie a UNI KNOT would be helpful - and nice vid - Thanks!
I have a video called 7 knots every fisherman should know. I show how to tie a uni-knot their in more detail. Thanks for watching!
Newb here, trying to learn/research all the topics raised here. 30' sport cruiser, only fish occasionally, have a fluke anchor that is breaking at the welds, looking at a Bruce or Danforth 22lb to replace it, so obviously interested in not losing it. Love the Rocna - perhaps if confidence is VERY HIGH lol. The idea of a second, buoyed line to the head in lieu of a breakaway seems brilliant. But my boat doesn't even have room up in the anchor stow for a ball buoy as shown in this video (better solution? inflatable buoy?). Considering doing a custom windlass install but thats another conversation - cant get the OEM WL anymore. I have a 10' rode with heavy (I believe) 5/8" chain.
What happens when anchored and wind shifts 180', without a breakaway? Unless your anchor has a hinge, won't it pull free anyway? Same with a breakaway I guess, just faster.
I don't plan to overnight anchored often, but I will never forget doing so with my brother's 40' at Lake George island camping. We swam two anchors out offshore, since we would have trashed the dock and the hull on the rocks, with the size of the waves. This saved our boat, but in bigger seas might have broadsided the boat with a windshift and giant waves - not good...fortunately the islands provided some wind relief and we weathered it. Long night.
I know a lot of questions here, and no right answer for all. Add to that the idea of backing up/moving forward during recovery - in danger of fouling my anchor line in the props - scares the hell out of me. Appreciate any/all insights...TIA. p.s. heading over to your 'knots' video...
I really like the Bruce for short term anchor situations. You can get an anchor ball with a open ring and carbiner. This allows you to store the ball anywere on boat. In the description I link to an article with the best anchors that show this at the bottom. For overnight the delta or Rocna like you say are very good. This is common for sailboats. If you do stay overnight place a metal shackle on the breakaway. If you try the anchor ball and do not like it then you could get an expensive windless setup, however an anchor ball is pretty easy to use.
@@CaptainCody7 Sorry I mistyped 5/8" - I meant 5/16", but I looked at my rode and it's 1/4" chain. What type of shackle are you recommending for the breakaway on the overnight scenario? Still nervous about motoring with the anchor line next to the boat...really need to practice this to get comfortable with the idea.
@@deraeler Yeah, practice when the seas are not to rough. It depends how big the hole on the anchor is and size of chain. There are actual metal shackles built to connect the chain to the loop in the rope that can work if you get the correct size. We add wire on the hole so the screw can not back out. Other times we have just used metal zip ties. You could also just move the anchor connection to the front possibly depending on the design.
That's very clever
Thanks, yeah this is a popular way to pull anchor. It defiantly beats pulling it by hand when in deep water.
A rope is a rope only when it’s on land in it mysteriously becomes a line when you bring it to board a boat
ha ha yep!
A rope is unemployed. A line has a job 😊
THANK YOU FOR THE INFO
No problem, thanks for watching Joseph!
Thanks captain! Great and informative video
Thanks Hank!
Brilliant, practical and very easy to follow, thanks for posting.
No problem, Thanks for watching Craig. Good luck fishing!
i think cable tie is much more easier...btw thanks capitano for all the info...
Yeah, that is another good way to do it. Many have suggested using ties that have a connection loop at the top so it can be connected back to the anchor, so the plastic can be recovered.
Great video, clear instruction! I do have a windless but this is great information to know. Thanks for sharing. 👍
Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching!
Esta muy bien ero cada vez que levantamos el ancla ,dejamos plastico en el mar,seria genial con material biodegradable
Sí, esto es cierto. Algunas personas sugirieron atar el otro extremo a la cadena para que cuando se rompa, la cuerda esté en la cadena en lugar de en el océano. ¡Gracias por ver!
If used while anchoring next to a ship wreck while scuba diving, I would imagine that it is possible for the anchor to get hooked on the wreck if your not careful. I wonder what would happen if the anchor does not release or gets hooked on something like a wreck.
Would your bow stay above water as you get pulled to a abrupt stop?
Julian Morrison What I do when fishing a wreck or rocks is use a rock anchor the spines are made to bend when pulled using boat..That’s what 99% of people use here in Chesapeake bay area and Offshore our wrecks ,they are pretty inexpensive too , just my two cents..lol
John Carter that definitely makes the most sense... thanks for the response
If the Bruce anchor gets stuck the cable ties should break and the anchor is pulled from the front releasing it. Sure depending on the structure, it is possible to get the anchor stuck. Never tie the anchor off to the back or middle of the boat as this can sink or flip a boat in a stuck anchor situation. When tied to the front the boat should just be pulled to the sided and the boat should be slowed down and or taken out of gear. If you go to fast it could still cause problems in the front so be reasonable.
John Carter fish the same area and most of us use rebar anchors we have friends wield up. I still use the eye at the top and zip line at bottom. Most the time it comes out easy this way
@@dancheesman1752 Interesting, that could work. Most people I saw used ba Bruce or Fluke. As I mentioned in my other comment make sure not to tie off to the stern when using an anchor ball to retrieve the anchor.
How does this fixation of the chain in the bruce anchor behave in an anchorage with strong wind?
I did not have the anchor pull all season even in heavy winds and waves. Their are defiantly anchors with higher holding power such as a delta anchor. I wrote an article about the best anchor types and a link is provided in the video description. For sailboats and anchoring overnight there are better options. A bruce is great for a fishing boat anchor though and I like that it pulls backwards when stuck. Thanks for watching!
But if you attach your anchor with twine then in a big blow the twine will break, the anchor as it only held at the base will also not hold and the boat will break free. IMO you might as well use a tiny anchor, it would have a similar effect. Otherwise I like the anchor ball retrieval system. I guessing it probably wouldn't work with a sailing boat as not fast enough.
I think an anchor ball would work for a sail boat. It would just take a bit longer and you need to be able to tie off to the front obviously. I have not had an issue with it breaking because of waves. It takes a pretty strong pull to break it free.
It would be easier to have a windlass pull the anchor. Imagine if you were surrounded by other boats how would you perform the anchor ball w/o dragging everyone else anchor? I would use the anchor ball technique if the anchor stock
Yeah, if you have a windless that is great. For smaller boats though it is hard to find one with 1000 plus feet of anchor line though. It really depends how the boat is setup and where you are fishing.
That's how I do push ups! 1, 2... 9, 10... 100!!!!
ha ah yeah I just showed the first and last twists so it would be boring.
The chain between the tip of the anchor and the knots at the end of it , shouldn’t be lose , the first pull in bad weather will brake the fuse .
By fuse do you mean the front anchor tie of rope or zip ties? I did debate whether slack should be in the chain or not.
Captain Cody
The fuse refers to the cord or tay wraps at the end of the anchor if you have the chain with a loop in bad weather is goin to brake and the anchor is going to snap out, you don’t want that, also if you have wind shifting you’re going to brake it to, if you’re aspecting bad weather is better to secure the chain with a shackle and tay a fender with in off line to float and when need it , pull it out from the back, 🤜🤛
I tie off to my stern when retrieving. No worries about fouling
Dan Cheeseman, it is not a good idea to tie off to the back of the boat. If the anchor gets stuck it can sink the boat really quickly. This has happened to many people. Professional charter captains can even get in trouble if this happens.
Captain Cody I do it only to retrieve the anchor, never to hold bottom. Although there are commercial grouper fishermen I know in Florida that do anchor on ledges by their stern. I agree with you though on this point.
@@dancheesman1752 In both cases you do not want to tie to the stern. People have sunk there boat when pulling anchor with it tied off to the stern. This happened where I fish and luckily people were nearby to rescue the people on the boat. It was cold water and could have been worse.
When the rope is tied to the front and the anchor sticks it should just pull the front to the side and you can power down. If it is tied to the stern it can pull the back of the boat underwater.
Captain Cody we do it all the time that way so as not to get caught in the gear. Guess it depends on the boat also. We back down on fish also, which I’m guessing go you don’t normally do.
@@dancheesman1752 It really is a recipe for disaster Dan. In big seas, if you're running, trying to get the ball down the line and the anchor is hung, it can pull your stern under in a heartbeat.
Could use natural cord instead of synthetic. Less garbage in the ocean
People have suggested to additionally tie the rope to the chain so it can be retrieved. Do you know of a good fabric that will dissigrate faster than nylon? Possibly dacron? Thanks for watching.
@@CaptainCody7 Jute Rope
@@CarlosDavidFoto Interesting, thanks!
Sisal
@@mikekellaway8056 good to know, thanks!
It's all fun and games until you realize that the nice subtle raising of the anchor is thwarted by the anchor being completely stuck and breaking a cleat, line, and having the bow pulled violently towards the line side. Been there.
Yeah, you do not go fast until you know the anchor has broken free. If it is stuck the front of the boat will just pull to the side. It happens fairly often with fluke style anchors without a breakaway.
The anchor does have to be tied to the front of the boat. If it is tied off to the back or side it could sink or flip the boat. Thanks for watching!
Sir, please consider experimenting with a number of natural fibre tie-offs (ie hemp or sisal) to prevent waste plastic debris cluttering the oceans. Kind regards.
Thanks for the comment, after posting the video I found a few ways to not have the rope go into the ocean. They also make zip ties that attach to other zip ties on the chain. Thanks for watching!
@@CaptainCody7 Thankyou Sir. I mention it, non pejoratively, simply because for hundreds of years everything nautical was done only with natural fibres, and perhaps we could make some minor concessions - tackle wise - in that direction. Kind regards.
Mom is thinking what am I doing on this boat. lmao
Ha ha She likes going out most of the time!
Just for the halibut.
ha ha good one!
I know fishermen like their line and knots.
What about using a good Ty rap.
If tie rap is another name for a zip tie, I agree they are another good option. Some even have a tip loop so a second zip tie can be added so plastic does not end up in the ocean. Thanks for watching Mike!
Just a question please: Have you ever thought for a second what's happening with all those ropes, cable ties, etc after they brake?
Just asking.... :)
Yeah, there are ways to tie them back to the chain or use zip ties with a top loop to zip tie to the chain.
@@CaptainCody7 I was asking what's happening with the broken ones. They are just floating in the ocean...adding more trash to the big desaster
@@MihaiBLU Yeah, as shown in the video you are correct, line gets left behind. The better way to do it is to tie the line back to the chain after making the knots with the chain and anchor. That is one reason for posting videos so we can talk about better ways to do things. The way I showed is how many people do it. Lots of people commented about the line going into the ocean. At the time I had not thought about that and it is a good point. Almost all fishing line does not decompose quickly and should not be left in the water. Anchors need some breakaway system thought or the anchor and anchor line will get stuck more often resulting in a lot more gear being left behind. Tying the line back or using multiple zip ties is the best solution I know of for the breakaway system.
Thank you for your answer Cody! And even more for searching better solutions to keep the water clean. Keep up your good work Captain!
Damn that’s deep
ha ha yep!
Once again the problem here is littering the ocean when hoisting anger
As the small nylon tie remains in the ocean and is not restrieved with the anker
Solution is :
1 . Tie the tie first to the chain
Then tie the tie to the anker bar
2 . Find a better tie system than in point one above ,
That will ensure total retrieval of tie material .
3 , Perhaps there is a metal clip designed to serve as a tie repetitively by design .
Do research , make indepth enquiry , and through research and enquiry ,
You may actually solve the problem ,
Or actually design a
chain-anker-bar-clip
( Or tie that remains on the chain or anker bar when the anker is hoisted )
BUT TO LITTER THE OCEAN IS NOT AN OPTION .
JAH BLESS ...
🙏👍🏻👏🏻🔥🚶♂️
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, there are a few ways to not have the line end up in the ocean if the line breaks. Zip-ties that are zip-tied back to the chain is probably the easiest.
@@CaptainCody7
If you are sure of this
And that was I think what I said that you are reflecting here
Then PLEASE DISSEMINATE THE INFORMATION AS FAR AND WIDE AS POSSIBLE
BUT ALSO REFLECT A METAL LINK THAT SERVES AS SUCH
OR DESIGN ONE ?
I must be dumb cos this is the second video I've watched using this system and I still have no clue how it works.
Well, it is not obvious unless you actually see it done. The ball just help pull the anchor from the vertical position where it is most likely to come free.
Nope. Just watched it again. Makes no sense whatsoever to me. Why not just haul the anchor in instead of going through all that rigmarole?@@CaptainCody7
Me too
Seems u don't want an anchor ... u need a weight. A large cone of concrete with an eye bolt thro it will hold u in the same conditons that wd hold with your rope-tie anchor arrangement ..... but needs no tripping buoy or line to pull it up, cos it never gets snagged.
Hmm I am not sure if that would work or not. Having a large concrete block on the boat does not seem like a good idea. Mushroom and river anchors are good for small boats in calm waters. I will say the 75 foot of chain really helps. Without this alot more line would need to be let out to get the right angle for the anchor.
@@CaptainCody7 My point is this - by disabling the function of your anchor, u have effectively turned it into a weight.
Your concrete weight wouldn't weigh anymore than your anchor - it wd just be easier to handle, and no tripping system reqd.
Why not just put a tripping line on the head of the anchor with a buoy on it, pull in the opposite direction of lay?
Not quite sure what you mean.
@@CaptainCody7 A line to the crown of the anchor, so that you just pull it up by hand.
@@paulmahy Isn't that what happens with the breakaway? Not sure how you would break it by hand. Also when anchoring deep pulling by hand is not fun.
@@CaptainCody7 If you lift it from the head it breaks out easily, can't suggest anything other than a winch though to alleviate lifting! - or crew! Round our way, we often have limited or crowded anchorages, which doesn't afford us space to use the buoy method.
@@paulmahy That makes sense. Having a windless would be nice!
That's a dangerous way to release that anchor. You can buy hoop clips for the bouy that you can click on once you've released the anchor. Holding that ring while chain and rope flying through is a recipe for injury.
Yeah you have to be careful for sure. The clip anchor ball setup is easier to use. This is a heavy duty setup though.
@@CaptainCody7 I used to work on a pro boat and we just hooked on the bouy when we were ready to pull. No dangerous anchor release. This was on a 50ft boat so, yeah, heavy duty.
Americans have 40' boats with 3 or 4 or 6 massive outboard engines but they don't have a simple windlass.
In Europe, nowadays, every boat over 25' has a windlass.
ha haThat seems like a good feature to me! It would be interesting to walk around Europe and see the different boating configurations.
just use zipties to secure ur anchor to chain for breakaway. strong and easy to replace
Yeah those work well. Lots of people have said to get the ones that can have a second connection so that plastic is not left in the ocean.
Just use a cable tie...
Yeah, zip ties work as well if you have them. We have gangen line on the boat for halibut leaders and that is why it is commonly done this way in Alaska. Thanks for watching!
There is probably enough plastic in the ocean already 👍👍
Watch you don't run over your anchor line (as I've done).
Yeah, you have to be careful, thanks for watching!
Cool thanks we use zip ties for brake aways 🍻
Yeah that is a good way to do it also. Thanks for watching!
Same here. And we use zip ties that do break when pulling the anchor, making for easier retrieval. Hence why it's called a break-a-way system .
@@ccjohncc1 Yeah, some anchors styles are not set up to work with a breakaway though. Thanks for watching!
@@CaptainCody7 .....we've turned just about every style anchor into a break-a-way simply by drilling a 3/8" hole up front and adding a screw pin shackle to attach the chain to the front.....works perfect...👌
@@HOAFCHARTERS Good idea, I am surprised people use anchors without breakaways!
Camera shot from inside the cabin where you can’t see anything? C’mon guys think about it....
Well, this is the drivers perspective of what is happening, thanks for watching!
But why use nylon? It takes a lot of years to degrade:( use organic rope...
Yeah, lots of people commented about ways to not leave a line in the water. Zip ties that secure back to the chain or tieing the other end of the line to the chain are good ideas. I am not sure if organic ropes would be strong enough. Do you know of any heavy-duty organic rope?
@@CaptainCody7 no, not just now, but if the line is not super strong, just make more turns. Or make it so one end always will remain on the chains. Just saw the video with the twins girls, and they use thick strip ties. Will be in the water for 5-600 years... Same with nylon. I also fish, but always try to get the line back in. I put on tackle that break before line. I TRY at least. But thanks for the trick, I will test in a few months 😁
So, the ‘Bruce’ franchise hasn’t a biodegradable stay ☣️⚠️🤔💭
There are ways to do it so the rope or zip ties stay attached to the chain. I did not realize it until I got lots of posts about rope ending up in the ocean.
@@CaptainCody7 you’re not the Önly one that initially didn’t focus on collective outcome§. I had to also speak candidly with a popular shore fisher in South Africa 🇿🇦 with his initial live-bait method.
Also seeing over dramatic 🎭 people🃏 cut around 600ft of dormant line , whilst cranking in a targeted specie, doesn’t get my vote 🗳 either.
In summary we see oil companies wreak Absolutę HAVOC, on 🌏ur ailing oceans 🌊 they Obviously Require a Custodial Example 🙏🏼
So you are dumpning a few feet of synthetic rope in the ocean every time you anchor? This rope will not degrade you know. It will litter the ocean for decades, if not centuries.
I'm sure you can find a way so you don't have to do this.
Use hemp or cotton line or just tie the end of the line to the anchor so you can hoist it back up and dispose of it responsibly.
Yeah, it is a better idea to tie the rope to the anchor chain so it can be disposed of properly. I do not know of any good strong hemp or cotton lines. Plastic zip ties work as well and can be zip tied to the anchor so they can be disposed of properly.
Twine not rope.
The line material used that I typically call gangen is Ashaway 150-pound tuna fishing line, it is made with solid braided nylon cord. Rope is not quite the right term and yeah it is commonly called twine.
LUKE FAIT
What is that?
Too much chain
Most charter boats in Sitka use 75 foot of chain with a bruce anchor. This allows us to anchor up to
around 600 feet of water with only 1075 feet of line. With an anchor ball it is easy to pull as well. In shallow water or different anchor styles you can get away with less chain if you have more that 3 to 1 scope to depth.
... but it does nothing for the weight of the chain - which is where most of the weight is.
Well the hardest part of pulling anchor is getting it free from the bottom. Also the anchor ball does hold the wait of the chain until you are right at the chain.
I guess you are right at least half of the weight of the chain would be supported once the anchor becomes locked .
I did not have much success on my boat cuz I could not get enough speed. I only achieved about five knots because I was in a crowded waterway. how much speed do you think you need to pull a 15 foot chain all the way through.
No good for cruising application tho.
Not sure what you mean by cruising?
Mom's thinking couldn't you do this some other time ???
Not sure what you mean.