@UCB4w8Vl5ZIScSFyxEeZF_JA A ball mill is a shaker that uses steel balls to remove rust and scale. I think you must mean some other kind of a milling tool, but I don't know which.
That hole was closed too, It's very difficult job to be done. Any minor mistake can loss a lot of hard work which was done on this components, It was in its final stage, nobody can reject any components by reaching so far.👍
Nice video. Always good to see people doing it the right way. A small trick: A piece of duct tape will protect the surrounding area from the sparks, eliminating the need for polishing, in case of a surface tolerance. I had to polish a part for the food industry, after fixing a broken tap. It took forever, due to very fine surface tolerances.
When we break taps on the machine we usually drill them out with carbide GO drills or carbide spade drills. It works almost every time. Always good to have the EDM as a backup though.
was just about to say this, since we mostly use high speed steel taps, we can just drill them out with the same carbide drill that we used for the pilot hole, clean it up and just use the next tap, or, since most of our work is done on cnc mills, in some special cases we mill the thread
Surface is damaged a little, and has caverns. If it's a sealing surface for a hydraulic flange - there can be a leaking. It can be remachined by cutting off around a mm from radial surface, but not every part allow to do that.
I was a Wire EDM guy at my last 2 jobs, had a hole popper too for starter holes, and of course this shit haha. You’re the hero of the day when you can fix a party with a tap broke off in it though. Never saw a portable edm though that’s cool.
As a Diemaker I've tapped thousands of holes. Never broke any taps. Not! EDM is the only way to go. Carbide drills and shattering taps with a punch are wives tales. If a tap breaks off, it's in the hole to stay. Excessive torque broke it off, and intermittent cutting a broken one will almost always destroy a carbide drill bit. Punching it out destroys the threads in the hole.
Not a machinist here, stupid question: Is it possible to weld or braze something to tip of the broken piece, then try to remove it by unscrewing? (Since this machine exists, I suppose no. But why.)
I’ve never seen an EDM at first I thought it was a magnetic drill that’s slicker than snot. (I usually take a blow nozzle to clear debris from a hole with a rag covering flying shrapnel.)
I was trying to figure out what the part is. Looks like a large cylinder liner apart from those horizontal bore marks. Shame he didn't tell us. But if its high carbon steel and the tap is itself carbide then the mill won't work of course. Also there's the danger the tap will move and smash your end mill, possibly damaging the part. I reckon they went for the safest option here.
Sorry for the late reply.If it uses small electrode rods, it can be small. I haven't tried it, but I think it would be possible if I worked 1.5mm carefully.
Just bought one. I got sick and tired of drilling out work hardened exhaust manifold bolts…then the drill bit snaps off. There’s a kit for limited clearance you can attach as well that’s shorter than a 90° drill as well. If it saves my ass at least twice I’ll have gotten my monies worth out of it. Then there’s hex electrodes as well so you can use an Allen wrench instead of snapping off easy outs as well. I’ll give it a try. If it works,cool. If not…I’ve wasted more money on booze and women than that.
Vary simpa method to remove the tool First to foll you want to t type round Bar and the aje and tool have conect and make arc welding after welding. T type round bar is one type of remove tool and remove.
Now that I finished the video look at that heat effected zone. That material no longer has these structural strength it was originally rated to have. You have now created a crack point
@@RingTuned it is from electricity that area not from heat. You can have so much heat in the same time with the liquid. It is impossible. Electricity create that area strange like that. I have one to clean stainless steel with the electric arc. It is normal if you look in industrial appliances how is works.
Probably won't work vertical. If you have larger bolts. Weld and Allen wrench to them. To get them out. Most bolts are case hardened. You can also drill a hole through the middle.
It's spent 30 plus minutes and probably charged the customer $1000 for something that can be fixed with a hammer and a hardened center punch in 15 seconds. The great thing about taps especially when they are that large they are very hard which makes them very brittle they explode when hit with a punch.
He should have coated the stainless around the hole to avoid the pitting, and no need for sandpaper. Also, what's up with the gloves? He must be afraid to get his hands dirty.
Muito interessante a máquina,porém muito caro o processo, aqui tiramos o macho quebrado com 5 min com um custo quase a zero,um ponto de solda e uma porca usada.
Dull taps are the most expensive tool in most shops.
EDM is the only way to go on an expensive or irreplaceable part. Very nicely done. Thanks for sharing this.
Thank you.
@UCB4w8Vl5ZIScSFyxEeZF_JA A ball mill is a shaker that uses steel balls to remove rust and scale. I think you must mean some other kind of a milling tool, but I don't know which.
That hole was closed too, It's very difficult job to be done. Any minor mistake can loss a lot of hard work which was done on this components, It was in its final stage, nobody can reject any components by reaching so far.👍
This is why thread milling is in my opinion superior.
I didn't mention a milling tool. Did you mean this in response to Povl Besser's comment? I didn't understand that either.
Nice video. Always good to see people doing it the right way.
A small trick: A piece of duct tape will protect the surrounding area from the sparks, eliminating the need for polishing, in case of a surface tolerance.
I had to polish a part for the food industry, after fixing a broken tap. It took forever, due to very fine surface tolerances.
I might steal that one from you
He opens a box holding an edm machine and the first tool that he pulls out is a hammer!! 🤣
Hammer is the best equipment in any engineering, don't you think?🤔😀
Precision tooling
I thought they were gonna remove a broken tap with electronic dance music...
LMFAO 😂 you nailed it! 😂😂😂😂
We all thought this.
it lowkey sounds like edm music
I usually just take long punch with a hammer and shatter the tap. Fast simple and easy cleanup. Very effective on taps that size.
That's why you won't get hired to remove taps fom work like this.
What a great DIY guide. Just have to get my portable EDM tool
Definitely the best way to remove a broken tap, saved me many times.
When we break taps on the machine we usually drill them out with carbide GO drills or carbide spade drills. It works almost every time. Always good to have the EDM as a backup though.
was just about to say this, since we mostly use high speed steel taps, we can just drill them out with the same carbide drill that we used for the pilot hole, clean it up and just use the next tap, or, since most of our work is done on cnc mills, in some special cases we mill the thread
Surface is damaged a little, and has caverns. If it's a sealing surface for a hydraulic flange - there can be a leaking. It can be remachined by cutting off around a mm from radial surface, but not every part allow to do that.
0,3-0,5mm would be enough but true that there may not be that tolerance for it
I’m still waiting for the BASS to kick in
I was a Wire EDM guy at my last 2 jobs, had a hole popper too for starter holes, and of course this shit haha. You’re the hero of the day when you can fix a party with a tap broke off in it though. Never saw a portable edm though that’s cool.
Basically the edm version of a magdrill. Pretty Cool
I do the same work but with a waterjet. Even blind holes. Mine is messier and louder but same results. Thanks for the video.
you can some times burn a hex and use an allen wrench to work it out if not then the hammer
As a Diemaker I've tapped thousands of holes. Never broke any taps. Not! EDM is the only way to go. Carbide drills and shattering taps with a punch are wives tales. If a tap breaks off, it's in the hole to stay. Excessive torque broke it off, and intermittent cutting a broken one will almost always destroy a carbide drill bit. Punching it out destroys the threads in the hole.
I would TIG weld a bolt to it and twist it out of the hole. But your way is really cool. Excellent videos.
Sincerely Robert
Я пластилином вылепливвю ванну вокруг заломыша и не засираю всё вокруг продуктами эрозии...
Раковины образовались
также делал
We have a tap burner,,,same thing,,just has it's own table,,works FANTASTIC!
How much does this edm drill?
I learned that the key to not breaking a tap is to stop one half turn before it breaks.
I would have had it out by the time you finished setting up that machine.
My thought exactly, someones marketing department really did a number on the contractor that machines these....
The requirements for the job may have consisted of more than just "get the tap out".
where on the Challenger did this part mount?
Very cool to see. Thank you for sharing this.
when you break the thing that removes broken things, you know the boss is gonna sit you down for a chat about, you know, the thing.
I was a olympic master at running this at my old work. Haha
A master at breaking small taps too.
Not a machinist here, stupid question: Is it possible to weld or braze something to tip of the broken piece, then try to remove it by unscrewing? (Since this machine exists, I suppose no. But why.)
Hydraulic coupling?
I’ve never seen an EDM at first I thought it was a magnetic drill that’s slicker than snot. (I usually take a blow nozzle to clear debris from a hole with a rag covering flying shrapnel.)
Beats pecking it with a junk endmill, hole poppers are a life saver!
I wonder what would happen with a carbide burr in a similar rugged setup
As long as it conducts electricity an EDM can eat through it
@@iaial0 I think he's saying, what if you were to use a carbide burr in a mag drill to grind the tap out.
So is a tap removal tool wired to start with? I bet my tap removal set is super cheap compared to that thing.
3/8” solid carbide end mill, 2000 rpm, break what’s left out
I would definitely try that first.
I was trying to figure out what the part is. Looks like a large cylinder liner apart from those horizontal bore marks. Shame he didn't tell us. But if its high carbon steel and the tap is itself carbide then the mill won't work of course. Also there's the danger the tap will move and smash your end mill, possibly damaging the part. I reckon they went for the safest option here.
What happened if this hole is blind ? And how we can remove the remaining part of broken tool?
This is a blind hole. Maybe you're thinking that this is wire EDM?
Drill bit + Easy out ..but I guess firing the laser is more fun ?
Most normal drill bits are the same steel as a tap, same with an easy out. It's also not a laser...
Quick question.
The hole thats then made tgrough the tap. Easy out or similar to extract?
Still! Great job.
he broke it in to pieces
What is the smallest tap it can remove. 1.5 mm ?
I think It can remove any size of tap.
Sorry for the late reply.If it uses small electrode rods, it can be small. I haven't tried it, but I think it would be possible if I worked 1.5mm carefully.
Hello ... what a beautiful option ... I had never thought of doing so. Thanks for the tip.
What exactly does that machine do?
There is nothing a machinist or tool maker hates more than a broken tap .
@DO NOT RESPOND If they broke , they can fix it .
@DO NOT RESPOND The world can go south in a very ugly way
Our shop also has one of these. I have never used it though.
Sir aluminium kay ander say tap nikal sakta h kya
I'm familiar with EDM we use it to put slots and cooling holes in repair jet engine parts
Just bought one. I got sick and tired of drilling out work hardened exhaust manifold bolts…then the drill bit snaps off. There’s a kit for limited clearance you can attach as well that’s shorter than a 90° drill as well. If it saves my ass at least twice I’ll have gotten my monies worth out of it. Then there’s hex electrodes as well so you can use an Allen wrench instead of snapping off easy outs as well. I’ll give it a try. If it works,cool. If not…I’ve wasted more money on booze and women than that.
В ответственных конструкциях не прокатит. Металл в отверстии подвергся электролизу. То есть термическиму и химическому изменению.
Это примерно 0,01 процент от всех случаев )))
see that part all most scraped because of one little tap is scary
Next time I break a tap I’ll call the thunderbirds to hire out their flux capacitor
poss better to use dilithium crystals ??
What is the name of this machine ?
this is portable tap EDM machine.
Electronic discharge machining= EDM
Snap Off brand?
V.v good Excellent
Где снимали? Страна?
Good looking Job
Vary simpa method to remove the tool
First to foll you want to t type round Bar and the aje and tool have conect and make arc welding after welding. T type round bar is one type of remove tool and remove.
Can somebody tell me how many people have a machine like that in there workshop?
Probably 1 of 100...
carbide em 4 flute 2500 rpm f.0003 will do same thing i do it all the time ;good jab any way
Now that I finished the video look at that heat effected zone. That material no longer has these structural strength it was originally rated to have. You have now created a crack point
Was with liquid bro, look again
Heat? What heat? It was covered in coolant the whole time
@@mtn.srlrascu6675 yes however you can still see the heat effected zone liquid takes some heat away not all.
@@RingTuned it is from electricity that area not from heat. You can have so much heat in the same time with the liquid. It is impossible. Electricity create that area strange like that. I have one to clean stainless steel with the electric arc. It is normal if you look in industrial appliances how is works.
How is Electronic Dance Music helping? 🤔
How much cost That EDM MACHINE?
only need to use magnetic drills and modified cement drills tool points and drills at medium speed
Ja klasse . mach ich bei mir zu Hause auch genau mit der gleichen Maschine 🥱
Walton tap extractor and Wd40 10 mins job done......
Probably won't work vertical. If you have larger bolts. Weld and Allen wrench to them. To get them out. Most bolts are case hardened. You can also drill a hole through the middle.
I think he did mentioned its a broken tap..not bolt..
I was replying to a comment. It for some reason wouldn't let me reply on that person question.
Uses SandPaper , to cover tracks so no one knows , I have been accustomed to the sandpaper 😇
Seems excessive, solid carbide broken tap drill would do just as good, but faster cleaner and way cheaper.
Unsung heroes of our industry
Aww come on EDM now that's cheating !! Get your tap extractor out like the rest of us 😳😳
Эрозионкой выжигают метчик. Прикольный аппарат.
What is the meaning of wear margin
That is stainless tap?
no. it's HSS tap.
@@jamespark_85machiningtv Can using HSS tap for stainless steels?
No, need a stainless steel tap.
@@jamespark_85machiningtv Thank you so much.
Nice job amigo
Thank you for sharing!
Nice EDM machine
It's spent 30 plus minutes and probably charged the customer $1000 for something that can be fixed with a hammer and a hardened center punch in 15 seconds. The great thing about taps especially when they are that large they are very hard which makes them very brittle they explode when hit with a punch.
Whats an EDM? Looks cool
Electric Discharge Machining, EDM.
Could you imagine if he tried to re tap the hole and broke another tap off in it..
He should have coated the stainless around the hole to avoid the pitting, and no need for sandpaper. Also, what's up with the gloves? He must be afraid to get his hands dirty.
С виду похоже на нержавейку, само изделие. Интересно, нужно ли травить пастой резьбу? Ржаветь не начнет? Не выгорают присадки после такого?
From some time there are drills for such action. Regards
So I need to find my old boom box?🤔
Muito interessante a máquina,porém muito caro o processo, aqui tiramos o macho quebrado com 5 min com um custo quase a zero,um ponto de solda e uma porca usada.
i do it with a flat screwdriver 🪛and a Hammer 🔨, works fine ...
I bet that'll be fun to passivate.
Wow they made that look difficult
Now I know who broke the tap
Kool dat waz awesome 👌
Pensei que ia extrair do jeito tradicional, pontiando até dá pra pegar com o alicate😂🤣🤝👏👏
uhh, can i borrow your portable edm?
🤔
You can use tap remover also
Ive never seen this done before, so fucking cool lol
Process is not repeatable, i dont have a fork lift at home to hold coolant canister.
Very nice
🤣🤣🤣 такой крутой инструмент есть а ниодимового магнитика что б вытаскивать обломки нет. 👍
Пробовал магнитиком вытаскивать железяки из железяк? И как, получается?
@@DmitryAvsioukov конечно так и делаю для этого и есть неодимовые хорошо стружку вытаскивать . Если компрессор не под рукой или пылесос.
Крупные куски спокойно .
@@azaz9911 дай угадаю. Ты моторист и тягаешь стальные обломки из алюминиевых блоков. Угадал?
@@DmitryAvsioukov на видео вроде не алюминий . Да и вроде он не высверливал болт.
Just use a easy out for taps
EDM process tap remove wow
Thats like shooting a fly with the shotgun
هذه الطريقة جداً معقدة وتتطلب جهاز خاص مثل هذا ولكن لدي طريقة اسهل من هذه و بأدوات الكل تمتلكها. اذا انت ترغب بذلك اتصل بي
We use our hole popper for this all the time.
but this is so easy😊😊😊 ... try building a slotted m8 screw to remove an m10 tap ...😉😉
Bizim TÜRKİYE de ustalar onu punta yaparak doldurur bir somun kaynatıp 10 dakikada tertemiz çıkarırlar😁
People at NASA will not notice that
Ну ты даёшь)))
...ребята, а есть кто-нибудь по проще?)))
Мы на работе высверливаем четырёх угольным сверлом.
@@markus6787 это что за сверло такое? 4х угольное да еще сверлит термообработанный инструмент? Попахивает брехнёй....
@@alexeyzdec2316 в ваш колхоз ещё не завезли.
@@Indian_djonsovich_3705 наш то колхоз посреди европы.
можно попробовать твёрдосплавным сверлом высверлить. такое сверло делается из бура для перфоратора.