Chosen Undead vs Good Hunter - Who wins? [Part 1]
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- Chosen Undead vs Bearer of the Curse vs Slayer of Demons vs Good Hunter - Who wins? [Part 1]
Part 1 - Who is the strongest from a story/lore perspective.
It's a simple question that goes around the community a fair bit: Who is more powerful? The Chosen Undead or the Good Hunter? The Bearer of the Curse or the Slayer of Demons? And in this video, I'll give my own thoughts on the topic! Of course, everyone is gonna have a different opinion, and there is no right/wrong answer here - but feel free to share your opinions in the comments!
Likewise, leave a vote in the poll!
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Part 2: • Chosen Undead vs Good ...
Bonus battle: Chosen Undead vs The Arisen, who wins?
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you're all wrong the winner is gravity
This is true.
Silver Mont you should do this again but add ds3.
Of course my nemesis
Gravity doesn't exist in bloodborne
I cannot tell you how many times have I died to that narrow bridge in New Londo
Giant Dad. THE LEGEND NEVER DIES.
+TheYvesL
This. stop commenting everyone !!!
+TheYvesL Yep he's the best out of the three
+TheYvesL oh fuck off
+AlienBusDriver1 mad cuz it's true?
+AlienBusDriver1 no need to be mean kiddo
The Havel monster always wins though
lol so true
What about Gravity? Doesn't gravity always win? Lol
+NewFallz Nothing kills the Legend!Long live the Giant Dad
+BigMousie702 Gravity is quite OP
poise included
personally, I think that The Good Hunter would win, because they are killing cthuluian monstrosities, which can't be killed and would drive normal people insane, like in the H.P Lovecraft novels.
I think the slayer of demons cause he can hold a lot of healing grass
Like a shit ton of grass like a lot
+Logan Fraser but the chosen undead can just say
fuck you and sit back down at the bonfire and heal and regain all estus
+Logan Fraser LIFEGEMS! 999LIFEGEMS
+Jerec 12
Not if someone is invading him.
Vino im assuming that they are regular non respawning mobs like the black knights that way he can rest but it will do fuck all to those enemies (ever wonder why black knights dont stop attacking you when you rest its because they dont respawn so they cant be reset by the bonfire)
guns did away with the notion of heavy armor is warfare, my vote goes to hunter because of their speed, and their firearms
+pramilton blarpus High powered crossbows did away with full plate armor.Remember musketeers did wear brestplates.Armor changed but didnt go out of fashion until the 19th century.
+pramilton blarpus Their guns seem like plink launchers, though thats just a mechanic.
+pramilton blarpus But the issue with that is not all Chosen Undead wear heavy plate. Some wear no armor, some wear rocks!
some wear magic armor
+pramilton blarpus And after some testing flintlocks, like the pistols and rifles in BB, were shown to be unable to penetrate the standard plate, chain, and hobnail leather that knights wore for their time. So the only thing I can think of hurting the undead would be the cannon. Guns didn't do away with heavy armor, the desire of mobility over protection did. As even high powered crossbows were shown to be easily deflected by platemail, they had to aim for joints to ensure penetration.
Even after the 19th century there was still types of armor designed to give some protection against weapons. Anyone ever see a juggernaut in any recent fps? That type of equipment does exist, it's just too expensive and unpractical. Unpractical as in it would take a lot of physical conditioning and training to effectively maneuver and utilize it on the battlefield.
As it was pointed out the undead are all kinds of equipped that variety is a strong advantage for them. They have a strong variety of magic, ranged, and melee. So they have far more options. While the hunter's are equipped with weapons and equipment that is specialized for hunting beasts, with only a few variants for the hunters of hunters and the vileblood knights. They are good at their jobs, they just aren't meant to face any threat.
The bearer of the curse isn't alone, in fact both DA games make it clear that there are an infinite number of you trying to accomplish the same goal, just differently. So, the good hunter may kill the undead, but there will always be more, as the curse is eternal, but in BB it's shown that hunters can indeed stop dreaming over time and die from conflict afterwards. I would give it to the Hunter for his speed and power, but since his immortality is limited in the end the cursed undead would win.
The Chosen Undead would win 100%. Solely because they had the willpower and patience to beat the Bed of Chaos.
+me Touche
Or have a witch do it for you
Kos' Child would like a word and 200k of my echoes with you.
Nah just summon all your friends
me you forgetting orphan of kos?!?
Who would win?
None, Giantdad dominates all.
+Xanatos712 THE LEGEND NEVER DIES
Praise the sun
Xanatos712 havel mage
BuT WhAt HaPp3nS iF Th3y CaN PaRrY?
The hunter because top hats
lol wut?
Doktor Skeletor It is a pretty sick top hat.
Lore wise they are all equal. They all kill literal gods. It really doesn't matter. But gameplay wise the hunter wins. It's not a question. They are too fast and can heal too much for the undead to keep up. Now. The question comes down to is it a havel scrub?
+Ze-TopHat-Gamer Gameplay wise, the Hunter really doesn't stand a chance. There's virtually no way for them to defeat a Chosen Undead with high poise, a greatshield and a spear. If he tries to attack in melee range, he's going to get counter-poked. If he tries ranged combat, it'll be blocked and the Chosen Undead can attack him whilst he's casting - and the Chosen Undead has the advantage of being able to hold thousands of projectiles and stock dozens of spells. Whereas the Good Hunter can only cycle through a handful of tools, all of which share the same resource - and sooner or later, he's going to run out of blood vials. Meanwhile, Chosen Undead can hold 20 estus, 99 humanity, some divine blessings, elizabeth mushrooms, healing spells, and so on.
Silver Mont But that doesn't matter seeing as i have seen pvp fights in bloodborne end in under 3 seconds. the damage form most weapons in bloodborne and the speed they have makes them unbeatable not to mention the dodge and guns to boot. sure the magic may be flashy and look cool but a Chikage with high bloodtinge will end a fight within 2 to 3 hits. You don't need a lot of fancy tools when the few you have work well.
Ze-TopHat-Gamer
In fairness, high damage weapons are not exclusive to Bloodborne. Pursuers, Dark Bead, Climax, Great Resonant Soul and so on have all been able to one shot people.
And well, the Dark Souls II chaos blade is just as good if not better than chikage.
Silver Mont That's true too. Man I would love to see this fight happen.
+Ze-TopHat-Gamer Lore-wise, the Good Hunter is a person trapped in an unending dream where they never truly perish while the various Undead are essentially immortal and only limited by the extent of their own convictions. Other than that, it is impossible to compare four people that murdered entire pantheons of literal deities. That said, the Good Hunter has the best waifu.
I personally think that the good hunter would win, based on sheer speed and their effective method of parrying
But the Weapons form Bloodborne are ment to fight enemies without armor so I think that the Weapons the Hunter uses are not so effekctiv against Iron Armor. Maybe a Buller wouldnt even pierce iron(?).
+Wombat Man The hunters still have cannons
But also in the chalice dungeons you can find dozens of soldiers' corpses in plate armor, and you can absolutely destroy whatever killed them
yeah but on the other hand undeads have things like magics that would hit HARD against someone not wearing armor..
Yeah, but the Hunters are dodging literal bullets with little issue, and I'm sure that the bullets in Bloodborne are faster than magic missiles, and the homing shot from Dark Souls is moving at about the same speed as the homing shot from Bloodborne, last time I checked, but the homing skulls in Bloodborne as a shotgun, shooting three skulls that home in on the player. (If the player item doesn't home, there is always the Cainhurst boss) Plus the giant sand snake whistle that destroys anyone not fast enough to get out of it's mouth
ok, jokes aside, from a strict lore stand-point, I would say our biggest contenders are the Slayer of Demons and the Bearer of the Curse. Sure, the Good Hunter has guns, but they both have magic so it kinda evens out. The Slayer of Demons has the power advantage, he is, outright, the most powerful being on his own out of all of these characters if he joins the demons. The Bearer of the Curse, however, is a true immortal. No longer undead and bound to the cycle of hollowing, the bearer can die, die, die, and die again, and get right back up, not a single fuck to be found. So in terms of power I'm giving it to the Slayer of Demons, in terms of who will be the last man standing, the Bearer of the Curse by freaking default.
as for the Chosen Undead, he is actually leveling up by Gwyn's power I believe, as the Bonfires were linked directly to humanity at that time. A give and take to make the fire last longer, offer souls to the first flame, and Gwyn makes you stronger. Once the link between humanity and the first flame is severed however, the only way to gain power through souls is by means of powerful beings such as the serpents or beings capable of soul manipulation like the emerald herald. All in all, the Chosen Undead I don't believe is remotely capable of soul manipulation, and was simply taking advantage of the system Gwyn and Frampt laid out to get the humans to feed the fire when they should be working toward the dark.
+chaincat33 You've forgotten the Monumental ending, where the Slayer of Demons remains in the Nexus, outside of "the world", keeping his magic, and becomes unkillable- never needing to revive again.
CtisGaming Nobody dies, but bearer wins due to adaptability.
The Gods in Dark Souls 1 are all gimped, you fail to mention.
Nito's power has been stolen from him over centuries by occultists and necromancers, not to mention the Undead Curse.
Gwyn split his soul too many times and sacrificed the rest to the First Flame.
Seath was never a true dragon, he wasn't truly immortal.
The Witch of Izalith was corrupted by the flames of chaos and is really just a chaos insect.
Even the demigods and DLC bosses are rather gimped or contradict the lore.
Ornstein was arguably an illusion, or not the strongest of the four.
You received help to defeat kalameet from Gough.
Manus was always the weakest of the Lords but you do fight him at full strength, with some help from Artorias's trinkets.
And you say that the dark has empowered Artorias, but he feels wounded of his intelligence, like a zombie. Plus he's fighting with one hand. The Four Kings could also be deemed as corrupted.
+Garl Vinland You can generally apply that logic to most Souls bosses, in the end. Amelia had just transformed, Aldia doesn't seem to be fighting seriously, etc. Gehrman and Logarius were essentially just men, ultimately. False King Allant might be the best example there, as we don't know how powerful that demon was supposed to be - presumably very. And there's nothing much to suggest he was weakened at time of fighting.
Yeah, but those are rather stretch accusations. It's downright in the atmosphere of the game that you're fighting worn out gods "who've outlived their usefulness" and whose "souls have been practically spent". That's how you can realistically fight them in the first place and adds scale to the overall power of your character.
The beasts in Bloodborne have inhuman strength, and you don't actually fight any fully fledged great ones save for The Moon Presence. Blood echoes pretty much play the same role as Souls in this game, it's assumed that Gerhman and the like were empowered by the dream, by ancient Pthumerian blood, what have you. They are more than just men.
Dark Souls II's majority of bosses are humans empowered by the giants souls, or leftover demons from the chaos. But you also end up fighting reincarnations of The Old Lords in the shells of mortals. In the end, Aldia is, I would say, the strongest boss in the franchise, but it all depends on how you rate a reincarnated God. Keep in mind these Lord Souls are fresh, it is only the shells that are weak.
Demon's Souls bosses are abstract in nature. They corrupt the souls of men, take on the form of pagan gods, jack up the strength of already existing fantasy monsters. The False King is more or less a Simulacra of the Ideal body that Allant wanted. Picture the true power of Demon's Souls to be "The Evil Force" from the Evil Dead franchise. The fact that it can do ANYTHING to the world makes it extremely powerful. The idea that a Golden robe is actually a demon and it held so much power that an old man could just walk into Latria and completely take over is insane. You see how much Garl Vinland hits for? More than a level 8 human. Astraea was acting as his proxy Maiden in Black. The limitless possibilities in Demon's Souls makes it pretty omnipresent.
Garl Vinland
Fair points, yeah. And we also have the issue of gameplay vs lore. I doubt Amelia is supposed to be more powerful than Gehrman, for example, but I have way more trouble with her, haha.
And I still want to see what a "proper" Gwyn fight would be like. A Gwyn before he spent and gave away most of his power, and who can't be parried!
A hollow(!) hope, perhaps, but I'd love to see that in Dark Souls III. Comparing Gwyn with say, Maria, I think it's clear they've come quite far on the "humanoid boss" front, and I'd love to see how a Gwyn fight would be handled, these days.
Silver Mont The game's so tied to the lore perspective it wouldn't make much sense to fight Gwyn in his full strength, unless we were Kratos or something. He's a God. He'd annihilate us like the Dragon God in the tutorial of Demon's Souls.
Speaking of which, my absolute favourite humanoid boss has still got to be The Penetrator. The fluid movements, the breakable terrain, the Biorr side quest where he teams up with you ala Eileen. Iconic, and such a cornerstone to future bosses in the franchise!
+Silver Mont I'm going to have to go with the guy saying young Gwyn is the shit and we probably we stand much chance...not that it wouldn't be fun. What I want to fight is a pre-corruption Artorias, complete with two arms and his greatshield. And maybe even small version Sif running around at his side, but that would be sadistic.
If you do a update video with Dark Souls 3, I personally believe that the Ashen One is currently the strongest and here's why I think so. According to Lore, The Ashen one is someone who attempted to link the first blame but was killed during the process and reduced to ashes. Now first off, The Ashen One is a rather unique undead as he doesn't go Hollow when he's killed (Except if he gets the Dark Sigils from Yoel but naturally he doesn't) and has a unique connection to the first flame because of that as he can use Embers to go in "Lord of Cinder mode" Which is somewhat the equivalent of using Humanity but unlike the Chosen Undead in a lore point, The Ashen One doesn't necessary need Embers to survive or keep his sanity and doesn't suffer penalties when he dies, unlike the Chosen Undead or Bearer of the Curse who need to use Humanity or Effigys too keep their sanity in check and be at peak condition. Secondly, the Ashen One has already went on a journey just like The Chosen Undead and the Bearer of the Curse before the game started, only to meet his end at the very end when the First Flame killed him for unknown reasons, meaning he's already done the journey already, though its unknown what terrors and challenge he had to face, it could not have been more or less as hard as the other protagonist quest, so in a way he's already very strong in the beginning from a lore point. Next are the Lords of Cinder, the beings the Ashen One is tasked into forcing them to return to their thrones. These Lords are similar to the Chosen Undead as they too went off on a quest to link the first flame. First you have the Abyss Watchers, members of the Undead Legion who are responsible for fighting and holding back the Abyss whenever and wherever its appears. These guys were known to be strong enough to take out entire kingdoms and brave enough to fight off the Abyss, a great feat in its own right. While yes by the time the Ashen One fights them he can only fight 1-3 max as the rest are slaughtering each other, by the time one Watcher is left standing, the essence and souls of the other watchers are poured into it, most likely granting that watcher their power, thus making the Ashen One fight the power of the entire legion through one body. The next Lord of Cinder is Aldrich, Saint of the Deep. While its unknown just what exactly made Aldrich what he is today, Aldrich is without a doubt a very powerful being as he was able to devour the God Gwyndolin and has the ability to not have the abilities of those he consumed, but also can "dream" them through actual sleep and learn new spells and powers just through that, since he can use the Lifehunt Scythe, a spell only Priscilla is known to have. If left unchecked, Aldrich could have potential to become even stronger if he had lived long enough to absorb more Gods and learn new abilities. The Third Lord is Yhorm, the Giant. Yhorm lead the people of the Profand Capital as both their leader and defender. He defended them from whatever dangers came to the capital before becoming a Lord, and being a giant his strength and prowess speak for itself. In fact without the Storm Ruler, a sword made specifically to fight Giants, Yhorm is very difficult to defeat and is no pushover. Lastly, the final Lord of Cinder, Prince Lothric. While Lothric doesn't have any known combat prowess, his brother, Lorian, despite being crippled, was a very formidable opponent as both are decedents of Gods and Lorian at his Prime was known for defeating a Demon Prince, thus causing his sword to be on fire forever. Lothric himself proven to be a very capable in Miracles, able to revive his brother many times from death. In between the Ashen One has or could have fought different bosses as well, ranging from a cursed tree, the Old Demon King, Ocerius the Consumed King or has become a Dragon of sorts, and even the First Born son of Gwyn himself, the Nameless King. But his greatest accomplishment that matches, or maybe even greater than defeating Gwyn, as when had to defeat the Soul of Cinder, which is the Embodiment of every being that has linked the Flame, from Gwyn all the way to the current lords of Cinder, meaning the Soul of Cinder could also have been the Chosen Undead and the Bearer of the Curse if they linked the flame, but it seems from a canon standpoint they have. So this is just my opinion and reasons why I think the Ashen One is the strongest but the Chosen Undead would definitely come very close. I hope you do a follow up video about your thoughts about the Ashen One.
"Link the first blame." I like it. Also, I'm still not sure - if the Ashen One is essentially a Chosen Undead who failed at linking the fire and burned to nothing, wouldn't that make 'em inferior?
That is a valid point and argument, but right now we don't exactly know what made them fail in the first place, like maybe he didn't have enough souls to use or fate had something else in store. Even if he was supposedly inferior he's still strong enough to defeat not one but 4 Lords of Cinder who have linked the flame. I'm hoping that this is more explored in future DLC.
It is very vague, as to what constitutes "proper" kindling worth burning. Surely the only real requirement would be an incredibly powerful soul? But perhaps it takes some willpower/conviction, too.
It's mostly both, but if someone is willing to go to sacrifice themselves to the link the flame I think he has plenty of willpower for that, so perhaps his soul wasn't powerful at the time he attempted to link the flame, thus reduced to ashes and his soul was in a state of limbo, since he wasn't revived until much later.
Blake Donnar if I do remember the lore correctly the linking the fire aspect in DS3 proves to be not so challenging and vague as to what it was before cause aldrich simply has been fed souls to reach the strength capable of linking the fire also it seems that the unkindled ones are beings who journeyed to link it but it wasn't even mentioned if they even reached the kiln or if they simply perished on their journey
I don't think the events of Bloodborne were "just all a dream," it seems like the dream has at least some effect on reality. If you attack Eileen the crow she mentions the dream and the doll, and if Djura kills you he says "I should think you still have dreams." Both of which are pretty strong hunters, so it seems that the dream does have a lasting effect on those who leave it. And it's seen in the game time and time again that dreams do have an effect on the real world (in fact it's kind of implied that the plauge of beasts is caused by the school of mensis entering the dream and having an audience with the great ones).
P.S. the whole concept of the dream was based on a Lovecraftian story in where a cult communicates with the great old ones through dreams, and in that it's also implied that the link between dreams and reality isn't as concrete as we might think.
I think the good hunter would win. The hunters focus on speed and damage rather than on defense. The hunter also has more advanced weapons, such as the cannon and Ludwig's holy blade. Also, even though the hunter's don't normally wear armour, the hunters garb does offer "stable defense", so they can still withstand damage. The hunter also took on many great bosses, from skilled hunters like gascoigne, bloody crow of cainhurst and gehrman, to the great ones themselves, such as amygdala, ebreitas and the moon presence. He is good enough to take on almost godlike creatures. If the hunter does defeat the moon presence, then it goes on to become a great one, showing he is good enough to become an almost godlike creature himself. Overall, I think the hunter has the skill to take out the other warriors.
The hunter does have defense. It's just that against beasts, armor doesn't help. There are tons of armored corpses in the chalice dungeons. Their skin is tough as iron, basically.
Take away everything from them. Everything given to them and see them fight. No weapons or armor of any kind. The good hunter loses his blood transfusion, his fellow hunters and helpers like everyone else. They all have something making them...well....THEM. The cursed have the dark sign. Hunter has his blood and the demonslayer has his soul trapped.....or does he? I guess he doesn't if he does not die. Which would be strongest alone at start? Not class wise. Bare-handed. The bearer and the chosen are the weakest at start because they are weaker than what's better than a dead body. The demonslayer and the hunter. I'll leave this one for another comment because this is a very long reply.
Ezio da Firenze I'd assume the hunter would have a better shot against the chosen undead. Since hunters are trained to fight even without their weapons they probably still have skill on their side. The chosen undead is your run of the mill person but with incredible determination. Not to mention if they have no armour I guess they'd be dodging just as fast as the hunter. I'd lean towards the hunter but I think the Chosen has a shot.
We know in Bloodborne that Kos, a Great One, cursed all hunters to suffer in the hunter's nightmare (Kos's domain, and subsequently, her orphan) after their death for what the first few did in the fishing village. Everything else arcane in the game is also the result of the Great Ones' magics, and as the good hunter, you achieve that same ability to warp the fabric of reality to your will. Not to mention, you're only a 'slug' *in* the hunter's dream, which is now your domain, so as long as you don't let anyone in, no one can ever truly kill you. I think this is what Oedon does, he's 'formless' because he simply never allows anyone to come to his realm, at least, no one that we know of.
I like to think that after ascending, I gather up Djura, Eileen, Arianna, the chapel samaritan, the old woman, and Willem, and live happily ever after with them in my dream realm
The blood transfusion doesn't give any kind of abilities or power, the blood administration has the purpose of cure any desease, wich the good hunter have before the transfusion
As much as people hate Dark Souls 2, I have to give it to the bearer of the curse.
+robTCGZ why are people hating on dark souls 2 anyway? i think its a gr8 game... sure, there might be a lot of dudes in armor but hey, if you're looking from a game play perspective, i really enjoyed it. and i kept enjoying it as well since i didn't need to backtrack through halve of the world to get to a particular place just so i could buy some armor or level up my shit...
Git Gud Nub Personally, I love the game. It's true that its level design and its lore are not as good as they were back in the first games, but it's still a solid game. It has the best character customization of the 4 games, you have so many options to play the game. And some bosses are extremely cool.
The whole complaint about too many armored knight enemies/bosses, I think suits the concept of the world. It's a Kingdom, so it makes sense
i guess you're right. but then... there are those who travel within this realm, those who should never be disturbed. i'm talking about the invincible, ninja rolling, butt face Havels, dual wielding their majestic ice rapiers. they truly are beasts among beasts and if any of the other parties were to face off against these atrocities... god help them because they will surely not be able to help themselves... all they can do is watch their health bar as it disappears without a trace...... you must be on the constant watch out for these guys in higher SM. you have been warned...
Git Gud Nub I have faced a couple of those bastards myself. Hate those bitches...
true words...
The Chosen Undead, personally. (writing this before hearing your explanation)
All the other characters pick through the death throes of the world they're plunged into, and are instead acted on instead of having any real sense of independence.
Through the chosen undead's own volition and ability, their world's crisis was solved. While the bearer of the curse effectively cured their own hollowing, the chosen undead fought through a world that was actively set up to challenge and defeat them, by much more powerful entities than themselves, and succeeded.
They were constantly reminded that they could trust no one, and pleasantly surprised once or twice throughout the game when they met a being they could actually call friend, yet still they didn't fail. They defeated the backstabbers, they jumped over the pitfalls, etc.
But most importantly? Their soul was powerful enough to prevent the decay of an entire world.
+Ninurtah RS Ugh no the undead was lead all the time true hunts he head no rl will of his own and adding to that his soul was not that strong as he needed 4 grate ones to restart the the whole rebirth thing Demon slayer were hunting with a purposes of getting free undead 1 to stop the true death then the purpose of the covenant's he hase no will of he's own thus no grate soul he's hollow from the start and that's the problem
Ilja Stalberg I have no idea what you just said.
+Ilja Stalberg The Chosen Undead doesn't start off completely Hollow. He's hollowing, but he still has his sanity. And you're saying the fact he needed the four Great Souls means his soul isn't strong? The ony reason he needed those souls is because Gwyn's soul was needed to open the door to the Kiln, which the fours souls made up. Ninurtah is right in saying the world is completely set up against the undead however.
Alex Ringer Um no that was what others wanted from him not his own will you forget that he was robbed of he's free will
Ilja Stalberg The Chosen Undead wasn't robbed of his free will. What're you talking about?
Were I feel these 4 have a very close call when it comes to who is strongest. I feel The Bearer of the Curse is the strongest of them. Were the Chosen Undead does not need someone to level them, that's is true, but he also is just the standard set for the Bearer to complete(Not to mention that the equivalent of beating all the lord souls is that of 1,000,000 souls which seems like a lot but is chump change in the grand scheme of things).I feel the Bearer matches the strength of the Chosen Undead when he slays the 4 lords.
Then he goes on to finish Manis' pieces, defeat Ivory King a man charged up by what I believe is the Chaos Flames of the Witch of Izalith, and defeat the reincarnations of Ornstein in Valstat and Artorias in Raime (Not to mention the Old Dragon Slayer). And as you mentioned he escapes the curse of the undead. They accomplish their goal to be human.
While on his journey they also slays countless demons, horrible abominations, and a army of spoopy skeletons. Also lets not forget the Charisma difference. Not only the the bearer become a King by his own hand, but they befriend many powerful soldiers. Lucatiel, Benhart of Jugo, Manscorpion Tark, Vengarl, Grave Warden Agdayne, and the scariest of all Steelheart Ellie! but yeah, the Bearer seems to have a natural charisma that draws these people to him.
So I feel The Slayer of Demons is the weakest here, The Chosen Undead is the second strongest and the Brave Hunter is tied with them. But The Bearer seems to be more powerful souls wise, strength wise and and skill wise.
Meti『Not The Bad Guy』
The Bearer of curse is powerful
But one thing to consider is that souls are at their most powerful when the flame is at it's most powerful because all souls originated from the flame.
As time goes on the flame fades and becomes weaker. Ds1 is an older title less flashy but canonically I would think the entities in DS1 would simply have more potent souls
Good Hunter won't turn into another Rom.
He is the strongest human since the opening of Pthumerian tunnels.
All other hunters were weaker than Gherman, since nobody replaced him or killed the Moon Presence.
He will become one of the strongest Great One, unless someone enters the Hunter's Dream and kills him.
So he wins.
Yeah, but he turns into a slug. It might be a powerful slug at the end of the day once it's fully evolved/grown, but it's still a slug at the end of the game. And even if it becomes more powerful than the Moon Presence, or the Wet Nurse, all of the other characters are specialised in taking down such monsters. So I don't think turning into a monster is really going to help.
Silver Mont Makes sense.
On the other hand - they specialize in fighting monsters but on Wet Nurse/Ebrietas\etc. level. But if Good Hunter power rises from his human form level then he will be in a different league since he's about other PCs level at the end of the game.
Actually, if you approach it from the lore of the game you can get a pretty good idea of what he actually turns into. Look at the Parasite of Kos, and the Orphan of Kos, the best representation of "properly ascended" hunters. You would get something between those two and the Moon Presence. A hunter/great one hybrid
I think its a little unfair to use the ending of BB to basically take the Hunter out of the match. If its anytime during the great hunt, he is also immortal, so it should have been more of a focus on weapons, speed, and armor over the ending.
+Acesahn Well, that's why I said before the ending - but I did think it was important to at least consider where all of the characters end up / can end up, etc
That's very bizarre logic
We never played the hunter when he was an infant great one .
So why would we even bring that up ? You can't compare him to ebrietas because every great one is different .
For all we know the hunter as a great one could be 1000 times stronger than ebrietas
Let's be fair .
All of them should be in peak fighting condition .
So the hunter being in slug form is just a cheap way of saying the ashen one could possibly best him when he is a defenseless infant ( literally )
Anyone can kill a baby bro
The hunter was always superior in every way .
Dark souls you fall off a 30 foot cliff you kersplat and die
The hunter can land on his feet from hundreds of feet in the air .
He can fist a giant pig with his bare hand and make said pig burst into blood through unexplained methods....
And he can impale through a rib cage with his fingers.
He is clearly not human.
Unlike the dark souls protagonists
He is also much much much faster and can increase his own speed even more if need be
I didn't mean that to be harsh .
In vs battles it is generally considered fair only when both parties are in peak condition .
So making one an infant slug for a vs battle completely defeat the purpose of having them compete at thier best
@@123NERDZ Tbf chosen undead can get kicked off that cliff in the catacombs and take zero damage.
You forget that the Chosen Undead either sacrifices himself/herself or are destined to hollow and be defeated by a new Chosen. Therefore i see CU as the weakest of the 4, because it doesn't matter what he does, the wheel will keep on spinning (and Gavlan will deal).
My pick is the good hunter transformed, since i believe "it" has the greatest potential. But at the point of the games ending i pick Slayer of Demons, as both choices put him/her in a place of "greatest" power.
+Alexander Forsman I agree, the good hunter transcended existence itself... But even Great Ones could be hunted, so trascendence is not equal ultimate power.
+TheYvesL
and the hunter has a gun....
+TheYvesL True, but you forget the dark lord endings for the both DS games, in these endings the undead becomes far more than any other, essentially becoming a dark god. Not to mention that Great Ones can be killed permanently. The curse is eternal, and if an undead has a sense of purpose, he will not hollow entirely, but continue to struggle for as long as they have to to win. This fight depends at which stage of these characters evolution to determine the victor.
+The Darkness On second thought, the bearer of the curse does seem to be the best candidate for the most powerful, cause he became truly immortal, not undead, he will never hollow and never die, just like an everlasting dragon. The only problem is that he depends on the emerald herald to grow in strength... when she dies...
TheYvesL The emerald herald will not die, she was made in an attempt to defeat the curse, and instead just became as ageless as the dragons. She is far more powerful than the game shows, capable of reaching across the time warped land of Drangleic with several active projections of herself, in fact, it is shown she has these abilities before she has matured to adulthood.
Good Hunter, fights faster, more aggressive bosses, little to none that would fall on the worst bosses in Soulsborne list, doesn't use much if any armor due to technological advances, faster, more agile, a cannon to destroy the other three's shields which carrying and shooting a cannon in the first place with one arm is an insane feat of strength, trick weapons, and magic of their own, they use blood attacks with the chikage and rakuyo which bolsters damage each hit, can parry from a distance, etc.
fighting beasts is different to fighting a humans, also the good hunter is fucked if anyone's weapons connect.
the good hunter is also weaker because of the feat of flipping in a full suit of armor made of solid rock makes it redundant.
Aegon The Conqueror Not necessarily, PvP is not decided on one hit. Also it is described that the reason hunters don't wear armor is because the creatures they fight would rip through it, thus wouldn't it make sense to want to be lighter on your feet?
The chalice dungeons have tons of armored corpses. Beasts tear right through armor. That means a hunter's flesh is itself hardier than armor.
Willian Gabriel it's normal flesh, but just better to be fast than slow
Aegon The Conqueror "Imbue the blood echoes in your weapons and your flesh"
the real question
Giant Dad vs Havelyn
Those 2 are monster in their own game , they slay hundreds of another chosen undead
+daniel rezadilla Probably the Havelyn. FROM had to step in and slay that fiend with their nerf stick.
From a lore perspective, Hunter should win. Why? Because the item description of Call Beyond pretty much says it's a supernova. If the Hunter can survive things like that, then the Hunter would win fairly easily. (But honestly, from a lore perspective, the Hunter has killed beings that create entire dimensions and alter ours all on his own. If I gave a list or ranking to how powerful the character are, it would be:
1. Hunter (killing the second most powerful Great One and multiple others without help means a lot)
2. Bearer of the Curse (Can do everything Chosen Undead can do and more)
3. Chosen Undead (killed Manus and Gwyn on his own, something no one but him was capable of at the time)
4. Slayer of Demons (If he somehow had the power to kill the Old One, then I would put him higher than the Hunter, but he hasn't shown anything that makes him above everyone higher)
I vote fot the good hunter. I played all Souls games and bloodborne and to be really honest to myself I think The good hunter has more potential. Its not because all other games lack something its because The good hunter has 3 types of ending and all do the same as the souls games but a bit more beyond the level we would expect. The good hunter could become evil and take control of the hunters dream to live forever and thus becoming the strongest hunter but in the same time it could be seen as an act of good will to free Gerhman from his nightmare, yet again you could also see it as an act of evil to push away gerhman and seek his place as the child of the palemoon. The hunter could also become a god to create either a good world or some evil reality. Not to mention the good hunter could also give its life to escape the dream to a true peace in the world or in some twisted way you could just start a new path to become once again a hunter and continue the hunt. I say this because Eileen and Dijura shared the hunters dream and while they lost it they still hunt. This is why I think the good hunter has more potential. Dark souls and demon souls have great endings for the character but they all give u straight up meaning behind it all which gave me some understanding that there is not much more u can do. In dark souls 1 u Either become the flame or the dark and if look at it my way you could say "I dont even want to be the choosen one I didnt have a choice". In dark souls 2 you could either accept the fact that the cicle wont end or just try to break it. And in demon souls you do become the greatest but theres no garantee like in bloodborne. plus bloodborne doesnt tell you that your the choosen one You actually choose to become it. I hope to hear more of other peoples opinion about this :)
Hmmm I would go with Good Hunter.
The eldrich madness he goes through is way more mind shattering than any of the other's and in my opinion it would take some serious will power to go through it , also considering that runs the risk of turning into a beast which just by looking at them you can tell that is worse than going hollow in a way, the beast is more violent and savage while the hollow is a slower and more passive state considering most of the hollow undead that attack us in the game .
Fiction has showed us that controling an inner demon takes will and conquering the night of the hunt and not go insane like everyone else speaks volumes of the good hunters might.
Also taking in mind the gun and agility advantage he has over the other's.
Also take into account that in a way he should be the one with the most attck power since all combat in Bloodborne is based on offense and evasion .
One could also give him the greatest endurance because while he has the less defense he has to most ways to heal himslef , the other's rely on healing items like estus flask and whatnot , and while the hunter uses the bloodvials the moment you can regain health by attacking after being damaged could be translated to "the enemy's blood washing over our good hunter thus healing him in the same way injecting himslef with a vial would.
Waadaya guy's think?
please keep in mind this is only an opinion.
Praise the sun and Fear th old blood.
+CinemaRojo Does the Good Hunter remain sane, though? That's a hard question to answer, considering he's flipping out after fighting Rom.
The fact that The Good Hunter remains sane is a big part of what makes them "The Good Hunter" and what allows them to ascend to a "True" great one without being stillborn like Rom was.
@@SilverMont Simon refers to you as sane in the DLC, which is considered end game, evidenced by the fact that if you attempt to go there early, it is extremely difficult, and is suggested at level 70, a far later level than when it's available after vicar amelia. The Forest Beggar refers to you as "fairly normal", other NPC's regard you as sane even after Rom such as Eileen, which is why she grants you the hunter of hunter's covenant, because you are not bloodthirsty/mad in her eyes which were her requirements for considering henryk and gascoigne as marks. The chapel dweller still regards you as sane even late game. you're interactions with the doll and Gerhman are also strong evidence that you are sane. especially in the case that you take over as host of the dream. I think one of the strongest pieces of evidence is that you stuck through to your original purpose, and ended the hunt, the night, and multiple nightmares. those are not the actions of an insane person. very unlikely at the very least.
I got chills when The Doll started speaking "oh good hunter..." . guess I have really fallen in love with the world of Bloodborne :)
ITS TIME FOR A DEATH BATTLE!!!
Anyone?
That's exactly what was screaming in my head as I clicked on this.
+jwavs39 Wha?
You know ScrewAttack where they put fictional characters into a deathbattle? And one of the guys on there always yells "ITS TIME FOR A DEATHBATTLE" just before the fight occurs.
TheBlackFang AMV
Oh, I think I saw one of those.
Kriegswolf no screw attack gets EVERYTHING wrong
Giant Dad wins
power up the bass cannon
WAHT RINGS YOU GOT BIATCH
Daniel GamingReturned stfu it's Wt Rings u got Bicthes
Lucky Clover no it's iron tarkus!!!
Just so you know when the Hunter becomes a Great One he is in a separate dimension where time works differently and like all true Great Ones they exist outside of normal reality, even killing their physical forms doesn't truly kill them because that was only their form in one reality. They are higher dimensional beings that can exist in multiple realities, that's why even when you "kill" Ebrietas you can still use the Augur of Ebrietas to call upon her power.
I still think that, from the lore perspective, The Bearer of the Curse is the most powerful because by the SotFS ending the Bearer is the only one to escape fate. The Chosen Undead is fated to make a meaningless decision (link the bonfire or await another chosen undead to unseat them), the Demon Slayer doesn't really do much of anything that we know of after the ending of DS, and the Good Hunter really has, as you pointed out, a crummy fate no matter what happens. But the Bearer sets in motion the end of the world, the end of the cycle, and the beginning point for Dark Souls 3 where it seems like every boss may be a god of some sort (being an Heir of Fire, implying they are descendants either of the Bearer or of Gwyn). Escaping fate, even if it was a path set forward by Aldia, a path he failed at I might add, is the one thing none of the other characters managed to accomplish.
My guess is by the time DS3 rolls around though, the DS3 character will be the most powerful of the lot.
How long would it take for the Great Hunter to become a mature Great One? A really really long time. Think about Mergo. A great one who was born even before the city of Yharnam existed. When you kill it, it was still a helpless baby that needed to be guarded by its wet nurse. From my calculations based on the average number of blood moons and number of graves in the Dream that is at least 140 years. So after 140 years it was still basically a baby.
This fits with the evolutionary themes of the game. More evolved creatures have less babies and take longer to mature.
+Sam Wang I'm pretty sure Mergo was the stillbirth child of a certain pthumerian queen which is probably much older than 140 years, the pthumerian were gone by the time the city was built they were like an ancient race so i guess at least 500 years or so, but remember Mergo was never properly born so he will probably never grow up regardless of time, also the good hunter is different how long he will take is unknown since all old ones are different and unique, the hunter has the doll to protect him and they are in world of their won so unless another great one interferes he is safe
The timeline regarding Mergo is super weird if you think about it.
Yharnam was the ancient queen and made pregnant by the great ones but then had a still birth but the school of mensis took the baby for the night of the hunt.
So someone she got pregnant and has a still birth all in the time for her entire civilisation to crumble and Yharnam to grow to its height but then in one go we get the school of mensis and the night of the hunt. We are told very clearly it is the baby's cry that brings the moon and the moon causes the hunt. But also the school are all so dead they've fossiled.
i don't think BB timelines are meant to taken that seriously. Time moves weirdly in the BB, almost as if it is were all a bad dream.
Mergo was "born" the moment you killed it.... Bloodborne doesn't work in linear time. You killed it at it's birth. You also killed the thing that gave birth to it, before it gave birth to it. (The One Reborn) Just like you kill Ghermen in the dream, and then kill him at his "rebirth" as the Orphan of Kos.
@@ThrottleKitty The one reborn didn't give birth to Mergo lol
@@meth_gaming300 The what the hell is The One Reborns purpose, and why is it so heavily pregnancy / birth themed?
I Personally prefer the bearer of the Curse. I felt like a true god slayer. But I didn't feel like I ever became "lost" with power. I felt more like I was only looking for answers.
+Jarlork Dol The way I see it is that the chosen undead went up against the "true" lords, it was the real deal; whereas it felt more like what the bearer of the curse was up against was literally fragments of the "true" lords' power. I mean how can The Rotten, Lost Sinner, Freja and Old Iron King ever compare to Nito, The Witch of Izalith, Seath and Gwyn respectively? I mean the "lords" of DS2 are essentially just weaker incarnations of the original lords of DS1. It makes even more sense when we look at the fact that Nashandra, Elana, Nadalia and Alsanna are only fragments of Manus' soul that was split after the chosen undead defeated him. Considering the power of these "children of dark" individually, coupled with the fact that the bearer of the curse's final obstacle is only one fragment of Manus (Nashandra) and the fact that the chosen undead was essentially able to take on their *combined* power, possibly plus any additional fragments that we don't know about, at once, I think it is safe to assume that the chosen undead overcame greater challenges (more precisely, he defeated far greater beings than the bearer of the curse ever did).
+Mathias Estrup
They are not fragments, they are the current eqvuivalent of them. The only part where that is true is in regards to Manus.
Ghastly Yeah, what I meant to say was that the level of their power only "constitutes" fragments of the "original" lords' power.
+Josiah Duff (GT500 Mustangs) Answers you never find since the game goes from cure the curse to become the new monarch
+Ghastly so gwyn's soul is not fragmented? nor the witch's? not nito's
Assuming we are putting each character in a 1v1v1v1 in q battle, My Placings are:
1. The Good Hunter- For Speed, Firearms, Quick healing and Combat style
2 The Chosen Undead- For Largest achievements over enemies and bosses
3. The Bearer of the Curse- For Different types of weapons (depends on the weapons you use)
4. The Slayer of Demons- For (almost) Eternal life (though similar to our other heroes) and... Glitches? (Demon Souls is my second favourite souls game, but I couldn't think of much to put for the character honestly)
This is a perfect list of how it would go down!
Ashen one?
gonna have to go with the feeble cursed one. I personally believe the cursed one is slightly stronger then the chosen undead( mainly because "he" killed a "chosen" undead). but the one thing that leans me most towards is... Fashion! Fashion souls is strong in DS2.
+Charles Hall Which "chosen undead" gets killed in DS2? Seriously asking, that part of the lore is a bit hazy to me.
+Jess Gulbranson I believe the ivory king can be considered a "chosen undead ". he did all things
Thanks, man.
Sorry it took a bit, Fallout on the brain had to think.
No worries. Literally everyone in the world is either too busy playing it, or too busy wishing they were.
Easy question: Solaire wins. \|T|/
+Final Boss Veigar He is an awfully strong idiot ;P
Siegmeyer is better
Sebastian Boyce are you patches in disguise?
i think you mean Stone Lizard
ALAS THE GENTLEST OF MEN.
For me the bearer of the curse is more powerful than the rest due to hes ability to alter the past, wasn't for the fact that Manus drags the chosen undead to the past, it never would have ended there, meanwhile the bearer of the curse proves his worth to the Ancient Dragon by defeating all of the guardians at the shrine and defeating the 4 great ones, thus granting him the ashen mist heart. Also, for me, the bearer of the curse truly exemplifies Nathan Drakes Motto "greatness from small beginnings", at the end of the base game he has the power to change the past, and with the DLC he manages to break the curse with the crowns, that is the ultimate power for me. The hunter for me is the weakest, because I do believe that the soul is the source of life itself.
You know, except for the fact he can't do that whenever he pleases, and can only travel into the memories of a few dead/long dead things. Plus it seems that what he did in the past, was supposed to happen one way or another (I.E Killing The Giant Lord, as it's said Venderick suceeded in the war).
+Alex Ringer What are you talking about? Vendrick left his men and ran away from the war to seal himself in the undead crypt. The humans were wining the war at the start, however it lasted multiple years and the giants had endless stamina which lead to the demise of the kingdom. Also, time is fucked up anyway in Dark souls 2. This is because the Giant Lord IS the Last Giant. The Bearer of the curse killed the Giant lord because the soul deception says that an unknown hero came from nowhere can defeated the Giant Lord. The last giant remembers you as the one that brought him down so many years ago that he goes in a fit of rage. The bearer of the curse defeated the Giant lord even before the game started.
justin bieber Milton wut? No vendrick left because he's wide was a gold digger and the giants got swept it wuz the hollowing that got everyone not the humans having actual trouble with stamina
Im already hyped for part 2
Great topic and video, cant wait for part two :D
+MGS fox Part two comments will be, mostly: SPEED VS STRENGTH! 'Cos the Hunter has his speed and all that.
Hunter would won
1) best range weapons
2) best movement (+faster healing)
3) parry from safe distance
4) healing through hitting the enemy
5) weapon trasformation
+Tomáš Janíček You're forgetting that the other 3 have magic. I would say that a decent fire ball or lightning bolt would do a lot more damage to no armour than a bullet would do to armour and a shield. Assuming that this fight takes place at the peak of each persons power I think its safe to assume that the Hunter would be the weakest out of the 3. Personally i think the barer would come out on top due to the fact that he is the only one out of the 3 that are truley immortal, not to mention (assuming that this is at the end of all the characters arcs when they are at the peaj of their power) that all characters appart from the Hunter has the ability to posses very powerful souls. When you weigh up all the great souls that the 3 undead character posses i think its safe to say that the barer has the most powerful soul.
+new_creature442 well the hunter does have magic type abilities aka arcane
+Luijen Payano dont forget the hunter tools like summoning a long dead serpent
+Luijen Payano oh are you forgetting call beyond spell?
+new_creature442 well with the speed alone of the hunter, without the old hunter's bone, the hunter could outrun the undeads magic and if the undead is using light armor with little poise, blades of mercy or rakuyo would destroy him fairly quickly
The Bearer of the Curse would be my #1, with the Chosen Undead in a close second. The reason being that there is no proof that either one could do what the other failed to do. We don't know, for example, that the Chosen could have killed Aldia. Furthermore, the Bearer of the Curse successfully did everything the the Chosen Undead did and then some. Instead of fighting a vengeful Gwin, the Bearer fights a giant democratic creature in an ocean of lava. In place of a crippled crazed dragon he fights a two headed spider that has an army of spiders at its back. And so on. They both suffer a lot of serious shit, but only the Bearer of the Curse actually gains something tangible for his troubles. The Chosen Undead serves the will of serpents, and apparently gains power from it. But we are left to believe that the Chosen Undead will still eventually hollow and therefore his power will mean nothing. The Bearer of The Curse prevented his own hollowing and is given the same position.
I'm inclined to agree. It's also worth mentioning that while the CU kills Gwyn as his final challenge, the BotC kills a being with his Soul as basically a test. I'd also say that from a lore perspective Nashandra is more of a threat than Manus. Sure, she only has a fragment of his power, but Manus was pretty much just a crazed animal. Nashandra has the benefit of being able to think rationally. She may be physically weaker, but as a foe she poses a threat in different ways.
And yeah, Democratic beings are tough to kill.
+Shroom Mush. Nashadra proved how much of a threat she could be before our story even began. She manipulated a king into waging a war he could not win. Like Littefinger in Game of Thrones she knows how to play opposing sides against each other to gain an advantage. I don't think the Chosen Undead had to deal with anyone like that.
He fights a giant "Democratic" creature? The Bearer of the Curse fights 'murica??? O_o
+Mosa Mania auto correct is a bitch.
+Mosa Mania 11/10 IGN: Best comment ever.
#gobearerofthecurse #newworldruler #logicwins
And Great review and video as always
One million years later...
"they still going at it?"
"yep"
Pretty much!
Bearer of the curse wins because...
Climax
nice
I think the answer is simple. It's Tarkus. He's just better at the game than you.
awesome idea for this video. keep up the good work!
This is quite interesting (and not just because I agree with your answer). You justified it all very well, and I'd by lying if watching a face off between these warriors wouldn't be amazing. But I hope you do more of these types of videos. Like maybe bosses from each game face off.
+A Drone Someone suggested a shortish series about various characters facing off against each other a while ago (at least, I think they did, I might've just imagined they did) either way, it seemed like a good idea, so I might do that at some point! One reason I made this, was to gauge reactions. I know I like talking about hypothetical playground battles such as these, but I'm not sure how others feel. And I'm more than happy to keep it off youtube and just between my friends haha. But if people like it, then it gives me a good reason to make vids on it!
Totally!
But the way I justified the chosen undead being number 1 was because he was fighting the original big bosses. The bearer of the curse was just getting scraps.
i always thought the levelling up at bonfires was an act of sacrificing souls to the firekeeper or possibly gwyn
I personally like the Good Hunter the most, he can rip through armor's the weapons they can wield are massive, they are extremely fast and they have also killed beings on a god level scale. I dunno, its a fun thing. They may all be equal
Videos like these are why you're probably my favorite Dark Souls content creator. You always have fun ideas for videos that get everyone involved :3
Had to skip the Demon's Souls and Bloodborne part sadly, as I haven't finished Demon's Souls, and I haven't played Bloodborne, but I definitely agree the Chosen Undead is best. Though I will say, the Bearer of the Curse is probably the best swordsman, as they take on kings and knights and such. Chosen Undead fights gods and beasts plenty more in comparison.
Just a fun thought. :)
A while back I asked this very question of a Souls group I'm in, and responses were just as varied.I do think that this isn't a question that can actually be answered, but your explanations are all really good. Personally I lean towards Dark Lord CU as being the strongest, but...
+Jess Gulbranson Yeah, there's not really a definitive answer for this question - it's just something fun to discuss! I just find power-level discussions or hypothetical "fantasy battles" and all that, kinda fun.
I'm excited for the next installment. I've been slowly whittling away at a pen and paper RPG that's heavily influenced by the Souls games and even the wackiest theories are good for inspiration.
But hey, that's just a theory, a game theory.
Gongler true
You can delete the name part bra
Teddy Berghammer suicide is not a joke
My idea on this based on what their end states are, similar to Death Battle now that I think about it. I think that either the "Bearer of the Curse" from Dark Souls 2 or the "Good Hunter" of Bloodborne are somewhat more likely to be the most powerful.
The Bearer of the Curse gains the power of Kings gains a way to be truly immortal, by having the Dark Sign but not suffering from Hollowing. The Good Hunter literally turns into a Lovecraftian Horror or god; while the Heroes in the Souls games can gain great monster slaying power, those feats don't give them the potential to move into different planes of existence with Dreams and... wherever the old ones came from. While the Old God version of the Good Hunter can now be permanently killed, on the other hand the Bearer of the Curse can die but come back without negative effects; this immortality doesn't seem like it would increase the Bearer's potential like being reborn into a Old God.
From my thoughts between these two another question arises, which has more power to it: Both are "Immortal", though one will end if killed once. The un-revivable transcends space and enters into dreams, while the undead became an Immortal King who can transcend time but not their mortal form. Which form of transcending Mortality is more effective?
I believe Mont was comparing their strengths by the end of each game. If the Good Hunter were allowed to mature to an elder God then s/he would be undisputed. But that isn't the case and who's to say the other three would not have powered up as well? Putting a few centuries of potential growth into the mix just add too many factors into an already close match up.
Thanks for the endgame spoiler alert, very considerate of you! I will check back to this video at a later date.
I know the odds of you seeing this are slim but I think it's worth my time asking you to update this series with the Tarnished added. I watch this series all the time.
You are in luck my son. I already did.
@@SilverMont really? Thanks dad. Link?
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good hunter all day... speed kills
Here's a new one for ya'll. The Unkindled from Dark Souls 3. Probably the strongest out of the bunch if you ask me. Able to kill those who have Linked the First Flame, Kill dragons, even KILL the Chosen Undead/Gwyn/Soul of Cinder.
I love your little party at the end there
From a lore perspective.....honestly I don't really know. Good cases can be made for all 4 of them but I think you have to do the most mental gymnastics to assume the Good Hunter is on equal footing with the others, you have to give him half a millenia to mature to even try.
However from a PvP perspective I think its a close call between the BotC and the Good Hunter. I've read a lot of other comments on here about that saying the GH has no chance......and while yes the Chosen One and BotC have access to broken magic..... here are the reasons why I think the GH stands a better chance than people think:
1) Stamina goes further in Bloodborne, I can literally dodge ALL DAY and not get tired or run out of stamina, I can drain away your finite magic spells. On top of that, I can achieve a notably higher stamina regen rate than any other souls character type. I can also chew through your stamina by just slamming into your shields until you run out and I'll still have some left even if you block it all until then I'll still get through eventually. Failing that, your shield will likely break faster than my weapon will if it comes down to it because BB weapons are way more durable for the most part.
2) Guns. First off if a good BB player can land some parries (which will be easier for him to do than vice versa) its over. I can heal every time I do that too. People say the guns wont hurt.......yea the Shotguns won't, but a fully upgraded repeater pistol with Bone Ash hurts stuff BAD, theres no way thats not gonna nick you up if a BB player can land a few of those. Let alone the Cannon (which admittedly you have to be a dolt not to dodge it). Even if it is rendered ineffective for damage, its still useful for interrupting a Souls character at range from healing or casting (poise doesnt save you from being interrupted while doing those things).
3: Faster animations. BB chars can heal so much quicker than Souls chars its not even close. Also, dodging. BB chars dodge quicker and for less stamina than souls characters. Souls chars even with the ninja flip ring or tons of adaptibility still isnt as fast as BB dodges IMO, and don't forget the good hunter has access to the Bone shard thing that lets them ninja dodge as well even faster. The faster animation speeds also mean it would be easier for a GH to avoid a parry and dodge out of it even if a Souls hero managed to trigger one.
4) Health regen system gives the hunter a chance to save on blood vials, which the hunter can carry more of than a Souls hero anyway.
5): Blood bullets.....although its a difficult technique to master......you essentially have near infinite bullets when you combine this with the regen system. If I time it just right, I can sacrifice and immediately go into a combo to get all or most of my health back without burning a health vial. As far as I know, I would in theory even get my health back just wailing against your shield.
6): Even if your Souls hero shield blocks 100 percent of physical damage, I will use Empty Phantasm shell or various papers or Gems to do damage that gets partially past your shield and will wear a Souls char down because the GH wont allow the Souls hero to heal and can oddly enough win a war of attrition. The Souls hero will have a very hard time getting away for long enough to get an estus flask off, because again, the GH can close in really fast or just poke with a gun to stop it outright.
I think in a large enough sample size among equally skilled players, it would depend on the specific builds for each hero but I think you would find the the GH can certainly take down a Souls hero and vice versa (GH has no answer to Wrath of God really, but not every build uses that). I don't know which side wins a higher ration of the time but I can assure you it wouldn't be as one sided as people think.
+Daniel Randolph Transform attack is a guard break if you didn't know, so that deals with the shield.
I vote The Bearer of the Curse. Cause he defeated other 'chosen undeads' and out of the most he can't will not go hollow (The Chosen Undead could become the dark lord but is he would never be free from the Undead Curse) And Aldia is just outside the limbo, really... I think. :V
I've given them personalities. The Chosen Undead is a bit curious and calm. He's on a mission that somebody else asked him to do. He's doing it for the sake of others. The Bearer, however, has a purpose the moment you start the game. He knows what he wants and its for his benefit only. He's more selfish and serious. Hes not looking forward to his mission, he just wants to get it done.
Milk toast? Clearly that is the most powerful of the bunch mentioned above
You pose an excellent question. One I personally hadn't thought of honestly. And i have to admit its a rather tough call given the achievements to say who would be the strongest. Although i have to point out one thing I personally don't agree with a show of strength. The leveling up mechanic you mentioned for the chosen undead. My argument being its still a medium that the character has to use which is how i view the 3 maidens that help the others. Because assuming we did not have them to help i honestly believe the characters would find a way to strengthen themselves given the necessity to.
Myself i personally feel the bearer of the curse is the strongest. Now i admit the chosen undead having to deal with the original lords and going through perhaps more enemies than the others is admirable but I'm also not prone to saying the souls got any weaker once reincarnated. Now with Manus you have me given the fact thats his soul split into many however to make up for that we do fight through two kings who were essentially chosen undead of their own and being as those succeeded the 4 lord souls i personally put them together on par with if not more so than Manus.
Further more assuming one uses magic of any sort (and i always imagine the bearer being able to use any on top of being very skilled at fighting in general) we have built not only upon dark magic, now Hexes, greatly but even other arts have gotten more magic that naturally demands more skill and ability to wield than in the prior. And even some weapons would require more to wield than before.
And as for my final point i'd like to point out the hollowing mechanic. Now the Chosen Undead does deal with hollowing but i felt the hollowing the Bearer of the Curse deals with is a progressed version. Especially given it literally deteriorates his natural ability to fight where the Chosen undead gets little to no negative for hollowing. But i admit I also assume every character dies multiple times in their respective worlds seeing as it seems more probable.
Beyond that for a countdown list i have to say 2/3 can be switched between both the Slayer of Demons and the Chosen Undead and the Good Hunter is the least powerful lore-wise out of them all. (albeit he's still pretty powerful haha)
Removing the gameplay mechanics and assuming they would all play by the same rules as another NPC might (Ostrava for Demons souls, Solaire for he chosen undead, Lucatiel for the Bearer of the Curse and Eileen (while patron of the dream) for the Good Hunter). Then the Bearer of the Curse (BC) and Good hunter (GH) would be locked in a stalemate. The Demon's Souls guy would only be able to die twice. Once to go into spirit form, and then as a black phantom upon which he's insane and likely wouldn't return to the fight. The Chosen Undead would also go hollow after a while and would also be insane. However the BC has the crown which prevents hollowing, and there seems to be no negative impact of the Hunter's Dream. Then, the two would be in perpetual combat as they are both effectively immortal unless the dream can end in a way other than slaying Mergo.
The real winner: The Ashen One!
Nah
I'd have to give it to Bearer of the Curse. As you said he overcame the curse which is something even the Chosen Undead couldn't do and while he was unable to fully kill Aldia he did destroy his body and only his spirit seemed to remain. Taking into account that Aldia was trying to make True Dragons and he managed to make the extremely powerful Ancient Dragon and that he himself had transformed into something that looked more stony than tree-like it is possible that he succeeded in some small amount using his own body. Not to mention that Bearer of the Curse has killed more dragons than the Chosen Undead.
Chosen Undead has access to Giant Dad build.
Chosen Undead > everything, period
I don't care how many people hate it, I'll love Dark Souls 2.
As much as DS1 was my absolute favorite game of all time I would have to give it to BB with the good hunter. The good hunter is just TOO DAMN FAST not to mention the ability to heal without stopping the flow of combat. The good hunter could easily overwhelm the chosen undead with attacks while withstanding a great deal of damage (because of the "rally" mechanic). The only real pro for the chosen undead would be his vast array of armors and defenses that could negate a great deal of oncoming damage, while the good hunter can really only play fashion borne...
+Ty Dem Sorry I forgot to say anything about Demon souls or DSII. I haven't played Demon souls and felt that the original chosen undead was more powerful anyways.
+Ty Dem You forgot TWoP, Good Hunter can no longer dodge and he can get stun locked. Also Chosen Undead would have insane poise... sooner or later the hunter would be hit by his chaos zweihander and get stunlocked to death.
+Nathan Morroni Then The good hunter would use a call beyond and blow the cursed undead to hell and then would rise up as a new great one
Wakinyan Martinez nice try, but if your getting stun locked you cant do much else. You're gonna need several of those too btw.
+Nathan Morroni Sorry to burst your bubble man, but the good hunter wouldn't get stun locked, he could use lead elixir and just rip through the chosen undead like a thanksgiving turkey
I have to agree with the point you made that DA1 and the chosen undead experience giving the greatest feeling of determination and insane accomplishment (lore wise).
Bearer of the Curse has those dank invincibility frames on his back step tho
I like to think that the Good Hunter's slug form is a larval state, and they will become something.... similar.... to a human, but more.
Like Orphan of Kos or something?
+Silver Mont more or less, but far more pretty.
Without the placenta this time I hope.
Personally, in terms of strength, the hunter should be second or third and the slayer of demons last. The chosen undead and bearer of the curse are stronger because they don't have "safety nets" if they fail. If they give up, they go hollow and it's game over. Regardless of themselves, the hunter and slayer are trapped in their own nexus, and no amount of death or madness will stop them for good.
As for why I think the hunter is better than the slayer of demons, he faces more internal and emotional struggles than the slayer IMO. Bloodborne is a world where you can connect with the masses (of npcs) which gives it more impact when they die. Think about Gascoigne's daughter or the old sedative lady. Even the ending is a tough internal debate. Either you wake up and leave Gherman to his fate, free Gherman to then be trapped in the dream yourself, or become a vacuous great one like Rom did.
I was going to post a very simmilar comment. To me the whole "Imma kill U cuz it's either this or going hollow" deal that would make me fear the chosen undead over a hunter or the slayer of demons. That bit of desperation, the very thing that makes you git gud and learn to parry just to beat Gwin...
If not the strongest I'd say they are by far the most committed and/or desperate of the lot.
The hunter isn't necessarily trapped because his lust for blood could turn him into a beast much like Gascoinge, Ludwig and Lawerence
teamawsomenes123 He's trapped until then. It's also not a way out. It doesn't really change the argument because, if he gets to the point he is addicted to blood ministration, he would seek out more blood and further his descent into beasthood of his own volition.
Feat wise slayer of demons obliderates all of them though
he basically became the fabric holding the universe together
Aye, Slayer of Demons lorewise is a powerhouse.
The Hunter even has an attack that is an exploding star among other ridiculousness, but it still can't compete with Slayer of Demons.
Interesting video, could be a coin toss among these very capable folk but my vote would go with the Good Hunter.
ever notice how the chalice zombies kind of look like messengers? even the brutes look like they belong to the same race
If you don't want to watch for 20 minute, he picks the chosen undead. I disagree and think the good hunter would win, because the blood transfusion is only to prevent him from descending to beast-hood.
If you ask me not enough people are brave enough to go with sequels in things like this. Everyone who does these types of videos always picks the original game so they don't upset the fans.
+Luke Puffer Have you read the comments? Like 90% of them are people complaining I didn't pick the Hunter, lol. I don't pander to fans.
+Silver Mont I don't mean to offend you, I just disagree with your final verdict. Still liked the vid tho, keep it up man.
Luke Puffer
Oh yeah, I was just pointing out - if I'd been pandering, I would've gone with Hunter or something stupid like "Giant Dad wins lul"
+Silver Mont ya, the only reason your choice set me off too is that the blood transfusion point you bring up doesn't really have a basis. You should do a follow up video of chosen undead vs the unkindled/ashen one
Lore:chosen undead
Gameplay:good hunter because he is a lot faster and just as strong
in all honesty? good hunter wins lore as well...
The gods are extremely strong, but cosmic horror is on another level. like, unfair/broken type shit... we're literally talking about H.P Lovecraft here. cosmic power, amygdalas and scholars with the ability to create dimensions, living failures ability to summon comets, hunters calling forth exploding stars i.e. a supernovas (read the call beyond lore). Some Great Ones are so beyond that they've transcended a physical form like, Oedon. the brain of mensis and winter lanters cause your blood to burst out of your body in a frenzy JUST FROM LOOKING AT THEM. Gywn is essentially the strongest being in souls, he's a hollow at the end of the game though, so he's only at fraction of his power, but even gwyn at his strongest I don't think could think could take on a great one. his ultimate power really come down to flames and "sunlight" (lightning).
We're not literally talking Lovecraft, though. Bloodborne isn't part of the mythos, after all. Just takes inspiration from it.
@@SilverMont you're right. I meant "literally" as in... more colloquially I suppose. as a word of emphasis. While It's not directly apart of the mythos, it is cosmic horror. that being said there is an inherent level of power when you bring cosmic horror into a discussion. specifically regarding eldritch beings. Like I mentioned earlier, cosmic horror is on a cosmic level, and in some cases beyond. and the Great Ones are really no exception. In fact there's many overlapping abilities and HP Lovecraft's writings. One strong example, is in regards to DREAMS, being dimensions to other places, for these eldritch deities. When there's so much literary overlap like that, it's more than just inspiration, because bloodborne's Great Ones reside WITHIN the genre of cosmic horror. You cannot simply utilize key elements that make up an Opera and say, "this is only inspired by Opera". perhaps with smaller elements, but the use of Eldritch Deities is at the very crux of what makes cosmic horror. Eldritch Deities are Opera Singers, as Opera is to Cosmic Horror. They are inherently intertwined, not just inspiration. when we talk about lore, we are discussing the literary context of a story. There's far too many genre- defining, literary elements of Lovecraft within bloodborne to separate The Great Ones from their literary function. everything from abilities, appearances, their views on people, their purpose to frighten and draw us in, even the way they frighten us, their capability to create fascinating stories. These are all key aspects that can be expounded on and compared between Great Ones and Outer Gods/Elder Gods/ Great Old Ones.
Glad to see Dark souls 1 has like 50% of the poll votes.
Damn this guy and vaati are really relaxing
I'd say the slayer of demon's would be, because they are a the literal pillar that holds the fabric of reality together. Which to me makes them a god of sorts, not the small slug kind either. The only character that would come close to this god-hood is the good hunter when they chooses to become a slug, but only when that slug matures and becomes the great one it is meant to be. The chosen undead and the bearer of the curse are just continuing or slowing down the cycle that will inevitably happen. This to me makes them far less significant than the person who holds the fabric of reality together and the potential of a new god-like great one.
Good hunter is stronger cuz there is litterly a ending what turns you into a astral demi god i mean dont see what a lil knight will do to that cuz the chosen undead is just a normal dude
You're misusing the term literally. Literally, you turn into a slug. Also
"I don't see what a lil knight will do to that."
And what would a "little hunter" do to Amygdala and the Moon Presence? You're kind of defeating your own points as you bring them up.
Silver Mont murder them because a amygdala isnt a real great one cuz they arent unique there are multipli ones and that worm you become can become anything and get like every power imaginable for all we now theres one that controlls dead and can ressurect himself
Got a source on any of that?
SpikeWall the amygdala that we fight as a boss IS a great one, isn't it?
Michael Huit yea but ist like a standard one not a unique one like rom would be if grown up
i think a lot of Bloodborne had the point that you become what you fight against, for example in the hunters nightmare the blood-drunk hunters are often described as beasts (by Simon because of their love of killing) but also in the yarnham you start in, the civilians on the hunt also are starting to resemble beasts, also the blind beggar calls hunters the real beasts, with the ending if you kill Gerhman you become him, if you kill the moon presence you become a great one, i think the best ending is to wake up as it is the only one where you wake up in the real world without being corrupted by wanting more power (becoming a great one or by wanting to stay in the hunt *Gerhman says you must be mad which is similar to the hunters in the hunters nighmare*)
i would say it would be a tie between the barere of the curse and the good hunter. since the goodhunter can never die as long as the dream exists. and the barer has the crown. the other would hollow and be gone. and the demonsalyer just returns to the nexus which would take him out of the fight depending on where they fight
think about the stats of a hunter
dark souls: requirements of a bastard sword is 16
bloodborne: requirements for the Kirk hammer is 16, and the Kirk hammer is literally a huge hammer with a sword as a Handel
To me, if there was a showdown of all the souls series hero's, the hunter would win. fast healing, speed, incredible skill and strength, and a ranged weapons to stop others from running, healing, etc.
But in term of who has it the worst, the chosen undead would defiantly take the spot, just like you said.
but hey, it just my opinion.
The stats thing is to do with gameplay, not lore. This video is a vote on lore, the next one is a vote on gameplay.
+Lazy Boy Link you forget the other heroes also have ranged attacks.
dier440 But the other hero's are warriors, with no range attacks. The hunter is has a ranged weapon.
Lazy Boy Link so the magic and bows i'm
using not exist then how does it kill stuff.
+dier440 tiny swords #Kappa
either the Slayer of demons or hunter, they have better feats and are simply stronger, all that armor won't mean shit when the hunter digs his fist in their chest
ninja flips, poise, pyromancy, the ability to fight behind a shield by using a spear, turning into the scenery
Well, the ashen one beated everyone who previously linked the fire so......
+Dylan Larsen What's a shield to a cannon? :)
+Vlad Tepes Dracul what's a cannon..... To the BASS CANNON
giantdad is the most powerful even giving the hex wielding bearer of the curse a run for his money
I've always thought about this and I wanted to fight a souls type character with my bloodborne character. I think it would be fun to dash around the souls characters, specially with the hunterbone equipped. But I don't really know who would win, all I know is that the fighting in bloodborne is just way more fun to me. It's nice and fast pace.
+Styx Bloodfallen I mean, it would be really damn hard to hit someone using the hunter's bone, but eventually they are going to run out of bullets or need to attack, as none of the others will die from boredom (we can assume!) And whenever the Good Hunter actually attacks, most of the others can counter-poke him, mostly the Slayer of Demons and Chosen Undead, thanks Scraping Spear + Dragonslayer Spear. Bearer of the Curse doesn't have access to as good pokes, but has plenty of other stuff to make up for it.
bearer of the curse, they chose to remove themselves from the circle all together. I'm eager to see what they become in dark souls 3 though cause its a severely lonely existence.
I was thinking that The Bearer of the Curse is the clear winner because unlike the others... He is truly immortal. You could argue that the Good Hunter does the same, in becoming an old god, but as we kill several ourselves we know that the old gods are not immortal, and as with all these games the cycle will repeat itself and eventually the Good Hunter will be killed as an Old God by a future Good Hunter. The BOTC is the only one who breaks this cycle. He is the last in the line of the Undead, and with the power of the Kings becomes something which has never existed before. He does what none of the others do... stop the cycle. You mentioned that the Chosen Undead was the most powerful because of the Bonfires (A really good curve ball) but the fact is that the Bonfires are wholly dependant on Fire Keepers who can easily be killed. The other issue is that if the CU does not relight the bonfires he ushers in an age of dark, which means the Bonfires will no longer exist and he will never become anymore powerful. He will be stuck in his state, until the cycle repeats itself. The Slayer of Demons does something similar to the BOTC engulfing the world in the fog, but all he simply does is become the new Old One, and his cycle repeats. You can't compare the characters on their fighting abilities or technology (Bloodborne Noobs) but on their achievements, and the greatest achievement of all... is breaking the cycle.
+CheeseSauce Well, the things in Bloodborne aren't really immortal, considering we kill some of them in the game and come across others that've died.
...I said they weren't immortal.
CheeseSauce
I was agreeing with you. I guess I worded it a little weirdly lol
Lol, it makes sense now.
-_- celestial entities top any earthly "gods".
"Asylum tauros"
I remember watching a stream of Bloodborne asking this question, although not necessarily from the lore standpoint, just in fighting styles.
It concluded with the Hunter basically having the speed & dexterity and the Undead having defense & strength. I'd love to see some kind of simulation of GH VS CU.
Ranged parries are a hell of a drug
u should do another vid like this with the ashen one thrown in the mix not sure if they're stronger or not but in ringed city you kill a weakened everlasting dragon midir, which even C.U. couldn't do.
Good hunter killed the fucking moon and a shit ton of gods
Who's to say the Lord souls aren't Gods the Chosen Undead has defeated?
Nicolas Gomez theyre not gods.....
it depends on how you define "Gods"
Nicolas Gomez Eldritch beings that control the very fabric of existence.....
Or Lord Souls that were created during the first age and brought down the huge dragons that once ruled the earth
*Boomstick Voice* It's time for a DEATHBATTLE!
Shut the fuck up
Next time on deathbattle, a from software battle royale between the chosen undead, bearer of the curse, slayer of demons and the good hunter
+Richard Walker What's deathbattle?
Would love to know if the introduction of the ashen one would change your answer at all.
I feel like Ashen One is about equal to the Chosen Undead, when it comes to feats. But maybe I should make an updated video to go more in depth!
Hunters for the win
paul Leger hunta masta race
HAVEL BUTTFACE OP HAVEL WIZARDS WILL WIN
+Carter Brietzke i agree
cant say shit when amygdala twists his head off like a grap #Kappa
Giant Dad beats all
the legend never dies
+Git Gud Nub I wanna bring up the stats but I don't wanna ruin the meme
This calls for an examination from our good friend at Game Theory! And I sure hope it's not a deadlock video.
Some mf said gravity and now I'm dead