How Classic Became the Future of World of Warcraft
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Classic World of Warcraft seems to be leading the way for Blizzard Entertainment, as of late. From the release of Hardcore to the immense demand for Classic+, it seems that this older version of World of Warcraft is what's truly keeping the game afloat these days. Not to say that Dragonflight is bad, but it doesn't seem to be drawing in as much interest as Classic WoW has been these past years. So this begs the question: Is Classic WoW the future of World of Warcraft? Will this older, more simple version of the game continue to prove its superior game design? More importantly: How will Classic WoW impact the future of Dragonflight and following expansions? In this video, Nixxiom addresses all of these topics and more!
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One of the reasons why i love classic is because you feel like an adventurer, just that, not the hero that everyone want, like a lot, it is quite anoying how every npc desires our character so much
Yes, specially if you have to voiceover addon.
Instead of being a parsing contest the game becomes an adventure and a experience.
"Champion azeroth needs your aid!"
Man that thing is neat once or twice but basically all wow has been since Mist/WoD
amen to that
I get that, but the pc has saved the world multiple times over by the time they leave Northrend, going all the way back to at least Molten Core, if not Black Wing Lair. Frodo only had to destroy the ring of power once to get a nation to bow to him (in the films at least), you (the pc) have done that like 5 over in the course of 2 or 3 years (or probably about 30+ times over by the current game). It'd almost be more shocking if the pc weren't that well known and remained simply an adventurer
I agree, classic is a dangerous adventure, retail is way too easy to level, no danger > no adventure > too many meaningless shiny things.
It has probably been said, but the reason why vanilla/classic wow was so good was because the world was the main character. You felt a part of the world. Each area was an adventure. Every expansion since has been a race to max level and min/max your build. People love classic because of the journey, not the destination.
While I agree with the sentiment of your comment, we do have to remember that Classic has been data mined and number crunched with great detail over the last 15 years, during the private server era. I'd say the min/max culture in Classic is stronger than any other version of WoW.
@@pibie9431 when the min/max culture is min/maxed
@@pibie9431min/max ability also means build creativity. I remember TBC builds being so diverse, sure you could be a 60/0/0 holy pally. But I also remember a decent farming build that was almost 20/20/20. That could also have raid tank. You just didn’t HAVE to be something they already designed as some meta tank, healer, etc. like you do in mop and post. Which is even worse now in retail.
Classic WoW is just a real and true MMO in its entirety and people have realized that Classic WoW is what World of Warcraft truly is
Well said.
thats great that you enjoy it. but my life is way to busy to try it. so for me i have problems sticking to casual retail wow
Classic+ is the Warcraft that it should of been all along.
Uhhh no? Retail has more and better content and qol features. Classic is ass
@@xbon1server populations and community involvement would beg to differ.
I think I've heard J Allen Brack say that phrase at least 100 times. Homie ain't never gonna live that one down. We'll all be playing WoW Classic 2.0 in 2044 remembering this man.
I hear he's been playing hardcore. When he goes to make a risky move on his character that could get him killed, he tells himself, "you think you do, but you don't".
@@Ryan_hey😂😂
Yes. This line is cooked, seared, into my brain
Classic showed that it was not about nostalgia, it is a superior game. WoW Classic is real WoW.
Exactly
Have to agree , blizzard new games are almost all awful , with no soul, no heart , no fun , like retail , just awful
This is like that Steam comment that says the game is the most addictive shit ever and they can't drop it while having a total of 30 hours played lmao.
@@Relhionot really. Classic servers are superior, cope.
@@wackywarrior001it's an industry-wide thing. They don't make games that are fun anymore, they make games that will make money.
All i ever cared about in wow is the journey and the open world , never cared about the end game never cared about anything else .
Same here. Who the fuk wants to grind same dungeons and raids everytime. Classic for win.
Thats the great part about an real mmo, different people do different things. Lots of MMOs are hyperfocused on end game carrot on a stick treadmill
As an altaholic, I couldn’t agree more
What's great about HC (moreso then Classic) is the danger pushes people together, grouping for certain areas and keeping an eye on your neighbor when solo. It's the polar opposite of retail where almost nothing in the world requires a group, everything is soloable, and systems are actually designed to encourage solo play.
This here is top tier comment
yeah, I do find myself aiding other more.
I remember playing shadowlands when it first released, and leveling up felt like a single-player arcade game.
"Single player arcade game" - that hits the nail on the head.
That is so right. God that was an awful experience.
That's been true since Cataclysm, but really got all "Facebook arcade game" during Warlords of Draenor, and the game hasn't looked back. Retail WoW is a single-player game with optional multiplayer content.
one of the big reasons why classic is poppin off compared to retail would be the fact that Blizzard shifted their focus from the experience of leveling to end game.
Yeah, they focus on the whales and tryhards too much. I guess thats where the money is though so... But they definitely started designing the game around the 1%.
@@bluemyst42”the 1% is doing too much damage so we are nerfing the spec into dogshit again, right after we changed it because it was awful” so sick of this mindset they have
Not only that but they nerfed the world to a point where it's so easy that unless you go out of your way to try and die, you won't. In classic if you are pulling mobs your level and pull more than 2 mobs (with most specs), you're going to die or barely survive. Playing my warrior on retail while questsing and I was AOE pulling every single mob within range and I never even came close to dying and I did most of the 3 to 5 man quests solo as prot spec.
People want to feel like an adventure in a dangerous world, not some demi god who suddenly hits a insanely steep wall in high keys and raiding that requires 17 addons and 40 keybinds.
Usually when I hit max level in retail, the end game for me is quitting or leveling an alt. The community and raids are just repulsive, on top of that i can just go farm the mogs when current xpac becomes old. The game just feels like a mangled crackhead version of a once perfected MMORPG known as WoW Classic.
That clip of “you think you do…but you don’t” genuinely pisses me off so much. The people at the top are so god damn stupid, its mind boggling. Classic is the only reason i even play WoW, because i never had before and my friends and family were like “hey man, its WoW from day one, we are gonna jump in. Come play with us” i wasn’t gonna start playing 10+ years into games release, and now i love the damn game
The continued success of Classic WoW just shows Blizzard steadily made retail worse which they would never admit.
Well of course theyll never admit it. Almost everyone (if not actually everyone) involved in Vanilla WoW is gone, and its hurts the feelings of of the purple haired devs that are working on their furry/scaley fanart expansions.
@@bluemyst42facts
Blizzard hates Classic because they cant monetize it. No expansions? No sales. No in-game store? No microtransactions?. No character boosts, no wow token. The only thing they get from people playing classic is the subscription fee, and that hasnt been enough to feed the beast in a decade.
I started in '04 and still love Classic, but I also really enjoy Retail. Both have their pros and cons, there are some things from classic that needs to be in retail but also some things in retail that should be in classic. I'm just happy that both options are available for me to play.
This! If I could get retail model graphics, UI, Auction house improvements, and transmog for Classic Vanilla, Classic WotLK, etc, I don't know that I would be playing retail at all, to be frank.
Some QoL improvements would make Classic better imo. Like mount tab, bigger bags and things you mentioned. Also, summoning stones etc. but there is no need to change the gameplay like they did in retail. It's a completely different game. I like my cooldowns and rotations. Retail rogue feels like "random bullshit, GO"... Everyone always tell me to play retail if I want QoL changes and I don't understand why it has to be white or black and not a nice mix of grey...
I also loved the +30% xp in SoM. It made the game feel more progressive and I love leveling. I won't stop playing at 60 as I'm looking forward to level the next character. HC feels amazing now, people helping each other, making groups and is full of people. Just so happy to be part of this HC hype. Retail never felt like this, ever.@@BoatMurderedDF
As long as they leave classic Era alone and set up a separate server to try those changes.
New UI already in classic, heirloom and mount changes that were originally in Cata are coming to Wrath, id bet they make it to classic as well. #nochanges been dead for awhile
@@BoatMurderedDFtransmog sucks. Flying sucks. Modern graphic are somehow fine, but its not needed. Also, graphics are too disney these days
i think classic its simple thats why is that good, and also everytime you level up it feels super rewarded otherwise retail loosed that long ago
blizzard can not be trusted to handle the making of any version of classic plus, the first thing that happen when people stopped calling for "no changes" they added the shop with a boost and mount.
Great points in the video! Classic Plus is a solid foundation for Classic WoW as the game itself and the community. It also has so much potential within.
I prefer Retail over Classic, but I very much prefer being able to play BOTH Retail and Classic. Both great games with different pros and cons.
My daughter grew up playing WOW. We as a family used to get up early on Sunday mornings and go raiding with our guild. My 9 year old daughter was an officer in her guild and PVP terror 😂
She loves Classic because it’s simple and straightforward. For those of us who leave WOW during one expansion and come back and find everything is different it’s nice to have the option of going back to the basics. I just remember how hard it was to do anything back in Vanilla so am still pondering it.
the ONLY reason people wanted classic servers in tbc was Naxx - it became almost a legend how difficult it was. also the fact that "endgame" of 60 disappeared was kind of a bummer for many people. you would never again take the time to farm for Dungeon sets, to run BWL or Molten core ever again. experiences that people cemented as "playing world of warcraft" were now thrown aside. some people who missed their chance at them wanted to give them a go and some just missed those activities and felt slighted that all the "work" they put into them was nullified as soon as the Xpac was released.
This is a big problem for any game. How to release a new expac without making the previous game's progress irrelevant. We can see how massively blizzard failed at this task and frankly whilst I have seen ideas how it could be done, I'm sure you'd always upset a good amount of players no matter what way they do it.
I love wow, i love retail, i love classic and i love classic hardcore aswell - every part of the game has its facettes, retail is really good atm besides the meta bandwagoning and slaving pre 25+ keys; pvp i can't tell my glad buddy does not play atm
classic (wotlk) is nice and i geared my prot warrior for first raids back then but stopped after i got prebis and nobody else played and i rly had no time seriously playing in a guild
hc classic just is a blessing, look at the economy alone and the behavior of people (some are bad as always but the majority is nice and friendly) - currently leveling as ret pal + warrior duo and we're smashing content lvl 32 atm...looking forward to my mount really and i gotta spend my duo partner his mount aswell - also a new part of the hardcore feature
economy wise i really enjoy it since drops really have that value feeling much more so than in eternal mode
230k people Signed a petition for Blizzard to Make WoW classic :D What Blizzard needs to do now i feel is create a new game from the ground up and make it bigger better looking and manage to catch the Feel of Classic WoW aka WOW 2 and also CLassic + with new stuff
Even if they did, they'll just go back to classic wow even if they give the players what they want
I think the main issue is modern WoW is run by completely different devs than those that created Classic. So the problems that modern WoW faces now will just be injected into any new projects going forward.
@@iwannadie9031 Yeah they are really lacking the team they had. but a new game wouldent have all the insane bloat of Retail. and kind of abilites and also Thousands of mounts and pets and Armour so nothing is special. In Classic u can tell of someone has done something special.
The problem is that 230K people are nothing for blizzard.. They'd need 2-3 million signatures to even acknowledge it and even then there is no guarantee vanilla players won't shit on the new game. However, blizz would probably sell the "new expansion" and that could generate enough profit to give it a try. They are just not ready to give up on retail but I'm sure as the years go they will have to come up with something especially since they don't generate revenue from China anymore which contained a HUGE amount of retail players.
I feel like the minority here, but tbh I like classic era (mostly HC), wotlk, and retail and play all of them somewhat regularly. I'm not diehard for any of the game's versions, but idk I'm just content playing them all. I give major props to Blizzard for having all these options available for their audience to enjoy, despite ALL their flaws as a company.
The original 3 expansions were VERY popular i was not surprising however classic hardcore REALLY got me going and for the first time in 8 years i saw that there was a queue system 8 years and i have never seen that
This is why OSRS is still alive with 100k+ players 10 years later is due to them letting the community have a say in the game to a certain degree.
If WOW Classic + ever comes, i hope for Hyjal as a playable zone and the Azshara BG. ❤
personally would love classic +
Classic is fun, if Blizz would add two features 1) collection tab, so our limited bags aren't full with the few pets/mounts available & 2) transmog, so we don't have to run around in clown outfits. The decent grey set you found wear it forever. Those are two QoL changes I'd love to see. The rest of the game is great as is - struggle for every copper, potential to die, hunter pet training, going OOM easily - risk vs reward, etc. Retail is fun, but it's pretty bland vanilla in general. HC Classic has been fun!
Hard disagree. Collection tab incentivizes the cancer that is the collection system within retail - something that has served to slowly erode and bloat that version of the game. Creating the game around the notion of new mounts, toys, pets, etc from each patch or piece of content is what in my opinion has removed a lot of the luster of getting rewarded. In Classic getting something like Rivendares Charger was seen as a huge moment simply because you didn't have many options, the same with the Zulian mounts.
As for the transmog portion, the clown suits while leveling is great! You can easily identify what content people have done just by looking at them and it gives that sense of being an adventurers whose gear is the sum of what content they've seen. It also adds value to the sets at end game, someone wearing full glad looks badass, same with someone wearing full T2.
@@connorm. Guess we'll have to disagree then. First I don't ever use the term cancer lightly having had people die from it.
Second, maybe I wasn't clear - I DON'T want a repeat of Retail with an endless treadmill of things to collect, but what we CAN collect in Classic, I'd love to have in a separate tab.
As for the clown look vs the uber gear - I don't care what people choose to wear and yeah for them on achievements - it's an aesthetic to me that is displeasing. I did mention "GREY ITEMS" for transmog not I'm level one and wearing the uber gear. It can be kept level or achievement appropriate. It would be a vast improvement without offending anyone at lower levels - no one has great gear then or would recognize it.
In Vanilla and even Classic, you felt a sense of progression every time you got a level or a new piece of gear, plus you got to meet people along the way who might end up teaming up with you.
In retail, it's just a quick grind to max level and grouping with whomever to get the best gear you can, only to have your gear be obsolete when the next patch comes out.
I understand new gear would be released upon a new expansion, but through patches, you might as well just grab the catch-up gear until the next patch if there is time before the new expansion.
Back when WoW was first released there was a thread on prestige classes. For example, if you’re an Elven Hunter you can upgrade to Sentinel or a Troll Hunter becomes Headhunters.
I would love they explore this idea.
Game developers in the early 2000’s were personally invested into the game. They were not motivated by money or trying to appease the masses. They brought to life their ideas and dreams. These games have a soul and you can feel the love of the game while you play it. Games created today have no soul and the devs are not making something they love and truly believe in. That’s why we will continue to go back to that old familiar game. Just like that old chair you love and will never get rid of.
Yet Blizzard is too stupid to see the money waterfall they would create if they did Classic+. Turtle WoW has ruined retail modern and classic WoW servers for me. Classic+ is everything I want out of WoW and Turtle WoW has shown me what is possible.
The insane part is that Blizzard would only need a small team of dedicated OG devs to produce Classic+ content. Classic content doesn't need crazy textures, crazy mechanics, voice lines, particles etc etc etc.
Stop making me the hero of the story, I just wanna be a no-name, a rice corn in a field of rice. And I sometimes wanna see other players with that crazy legendary item that I know I'm never gonna get, that's what makes Classic feel so grand and epic.
Love the Lim Jahey clip!!! RIP, Indianapolis Jones. ❤
Classic WoW is rewarding. You feel every gear upgrade. You feel every new spell. Modern WoW doesn't feel rewarding anymore. Thats it.
Four sentences pretty much summed up the problem with WoW nowadays. The fifth one was just a good closure.
The concept of Classic+ is a good one, and Hardcore in particular has changed this game for the better. The main problem with Classic as a concept in general, is generally speaking there's no surprises, meaning you can just look up how a fight goes down and provided you are properly geared, you can basically speed run a raid, or dungeon. Hardcore fixes a little of that because it forces methodical gameplay, but lack of knowledge is sometimes a good thing.
One thing I would suggest is you are only allowed to have ONE "alive" character per Hardcore server. No alts, or "banks alts" `allowed. This serves the practical purpose of keeping inflation within the server economy down. This is an unabashedly good thing.
Classic+ features could be good however. Things like eliminating class/race restrictions, using current retail UI features like auction house functionality, PET AI, "Collection" Interface, Transmogs, Quest Log, fixing SOME balance issues, updated graphic models, amongst others would be acceptable in Classic.
Things to keep out would obviously be Dungeon/Raid Finder, WOW Tokens, Heirlooms, etc.
Retail wow, are for players that hate to level 10 levels from the previous expansion, that is also why there are so many xp boosts. So they can get gear and get high ilvl, high dungeons rating and high pvp ranking.. Instead of having leveling be part of the game, its only endgame gear, rating and ranking grinding. Thats the great thing about classic WoW, beeing lvl 1 or lvl 60 you have something to do, and the quests are engaging. Profesions actually help you improove, armour and weapons from crafting actually are good. When did retail wow have a crafted item be bis like Lionheart Helm?
Current era Blizz Devs would ruin Classic+ if they attempted it.
I was really hoping that classic would take an abrupt turn in expansion packs. This would have been WoW's version of What If, especially if BC didn't happen due to events that the players had taken differently this time around. Wotlk was a turning point which the implementation of prepatch 4, just prior to cataclysm, changed everything and left such a sour taste in players mouths that they simply quit running icc and just sat and waited for cataclysm to come out (or quit playing retail all together). Those of us that were around back then are watching intently to see if blizzard will repeat history that killed retail and changed the game forever. Cataclysm didn't kill wow, since it happened well before the expansion was released.
Hand to heart, I really loved the hardcore approach Blizz took here. Playing dungeons for the first time in forever really felt dangerous and without the sff limitations I could even get together with some old friends. The game world, the design, the soundtrack it all was perfect and without the need to push to max level as fast as can go I could really lean back and enjoy some less travelled areas to catch up on xp or just take in the sights. Felt like a real sandbox and I felt for the first time in forever like a real adventurer. Not some quasi-protagonist hero getting high on some really bad writing. Just a player making his way. There is only one thing that really fucks it up for me: The gameplay. Ive been rolling rogue for a decade now and the incremental energy regen really fucks it up for me and as a seasoned M+ vet it was so hard to re-learn that kicks had a resource cost (Which was harder to pool bc incremental regen). Just as some examples. If could get the hardcore experience with the vanilla feel and taste, but with some advanced gameplay changes things would really fall into place for me. (not necesarily power level, just streamlining it a bit - Wrath rogue for example felt already so much better)
If they released new content for classic, but obviously not changing the fundamentals of the game, I’d be stoked
This, thank you. The problem is that they have changed the way the game plays. CDs literally removed, nothing feels like progress but an overload of information with 95% of the world not being relevant.
I'm new to Wotlk in 2023 and I have to say that I am glad I finally gave it a shot. I am super happy that the servers are populated and it's been great so far! Game makes me feel like i'm on an actual adventure and it's been great interacting with others in the open world even for the smallest of quests.
Well said bro
Classic WOW's 1-60 leveling/PVE/PVP experience has an awesome flow to it that the later expansions don't have.
Agreed! Though i would say that TBC retained that feel, but after that, no. I came back to try SOD and man so many memories came back. I am really hoping that they would make it permemant because i don't want to lose everything plus i like the concept behind SOD. It has tons of potential
I like playing retail casually, doing a few mythic plus, old raid / mog & mount farming, the odd normal raid now and again (and I used to do mythics back in the day) - as I get older it just makes more sense to me playing it casually and I like how Dragonflight approaches it with the pvp gear and gear upgrade system, just happily sitting at 432ilvl (which I think would get me into entry level heroic raids if I wanted to) but I have no urge to go much higher.
I like classic for when I actually have time to sit, play and invest time, getting lost in the world, when I want that true RPG experience.
I think for classic plus we need an entirely alternate classic wow. Brand new, using the best graphics engine available and entirely brand new Classic and possibly a console port. But definitely an entirely new world of Warcraft classic with all the adventure, fun and difficultly
Been trying to level a warrior through hard-core, it's some of the most fun but also the most frustrating version. Losing a character when you've played for a while is stressful but all part of the fun
Classic is an MMORPG, Retail is an MMO, that simple
Good call, Id even go so far as to remove the massive in MMO.
Stories of the trolls' war within lorderon against high elves would be a fun way to use the same areas we know but reskinned to be what we knew to later become. Or fun twists to plots & stories used on novels to promote the interconnected nature of its content. What would Jadenar look like pre classic era, or anything to repolish content thats good but doesnt get alot of attention. Like within the books, or previous games. Like what Reach did for Halo, just added extra juicy layers.
That would be such a good idea.
Man, the clips of the zepplins loaded before raid time. Half the raiders on the server getting together to run the world buff tour. Truly a magical thing to experience.
A large part of me wants to go back to classic from wotlk.... I just wish I could clone a snapshot of my classic toon. I did so much collection.
11:45 - that's a really, REALLY easy answer. - because, whne interfacing with anything retail, behind every decision, behind every facade there's the notion that someone is waiting and watching you, hoping with all their might that you are going to interface with the shop, that you're going to buy a wow token for the gold because "isn't it just easier".
and none of that is present in vanilla classic. they've even introduced it to wotlk classic...
The problem with modern WoW is that it has lost its RPG roots in favor of 'collect all the things'. It forgot how good adventuring, leveling, getting stronger, and figuring out the best way to making incremental improvements to your character are. Even if they ran retail WoW with all the new graphics, classes, races and zones they have made but instead kept the same mindset behind the slower and more incremental leveling process, talent trees, and RPG elements of classic, it would be a much better game. They can expand upon classic in a ton of ways without losing what makes it good.
Now this is probably a controversial statement:
I think blizzard knows what the community wants. Fans must understand though…they’re a business, so risk must be reviewed before making these decisions. However they are showing how risk averse they are, overwatch 2 literally being a cheap remake, taking forever to be pushed into making classic wow which literally was a bunt to accomplish from a company standpoint. What I guess I’m trying to say is, if they do any sort of classic plus, it’s gonna be a string of patches of classic balance, a new zone here and there, and a raid or two. The classic content got through to burning crusade in like a year and a half time . To make a classic plus that sticks will require a revamp, a new perspective of how to approach the game to not be such a linear progression, similar to RuneScape. Where a player can play a year and not theoretically beat the game and move on. I think to do something like this would be an entirely new game which would be so welcome, but a lot of risk. Tbh I wouldn’t settle for a string of patches to become considered classic plus.
You can download and play Classic WoW. It requires no add-ons. The out of the box experience is perfectly playable. Remember, it was made in an era when the internet as we know it was in it's early development. It was designed knowing you couldn't just go on WoWHead to figure out the optimum build path.
That's part of why I think it's doing so well. When's the last time you've watched a video on Classic WoW other than to laugh at deaths on Hardcore or deep lore dives? Personally, I've never had to look up a deep class guide. Optimal rotation guide. Which add-ons to include. You never had to import weakaura after weakaura. The most you had to worry about was getting ninja looted.
one thing i am interested in is if blizzard would ever do something similar ish for retail. ironman challenge feels pretty tough, there's ways to cheese to 60 but blizzard could nuke those if they wanted, 60-70 is just brutal for most classes/specs. white gear max, no enchants outside of runeforging, death = delete, it's surprisingly hard (and lots of fun!)
I think retail is slowly on the uphill with what the community wants, but I think classic is just delivering more of what we want faster. There's also so much stuff that we don't want that's not in classic that is in retail that classic is also just more appealing to most I feel. Both are great and look to be going a good direction.
Not really. DF started good. But it degraded hard since the first patch. Looks like a disney game. Got no Warcraft element in it.
Best thing in classic for me, you start as a nobody in rags with a rusty something as a weapon. It's such a joy when you get an upgrade and getting stronger very slowly. No wonder that was so addicting back in the days.
I'd honestly much rather play WotLK HC, Legion HC, or even Retail HC. The 20 yard limit for nameplates is so damned LAME!
I’m a classic player and enjoyer, but its always funny to see people try to talk it up and make videos like this when they rarely play it.
Classic Era has become a staple of my gaming rotation just like Diablo 2 and I hope it continues like this.
+255 for Classic Plus. Fix the classes and make all specs viable. Fix quest rewards. Make crafting relevant to deep endgame. Fix Azora. Add Grim Batol. Give us some new zones. People will love it.
Honestly the only thing classic is missing is a better pvp system. The leveling is better, the class identity is better, the community is better, etc. But if you're not going for rank 8+ in classic there's no reason to ever step foot into a BG unless you're going for the AV reputation rewards which don't even take that long. I think classic is the best version of WoW and is the only version I play, but dam I do miss gaining and spending honor on PvP gear
As a big pvper I couldn't agree more !
I love Classic WoW except for a few things: class balance could be better, I like the modern profession revamp, and I like shared mob tagging in the world.
Agreed, those are things Id like in classic too. And I wouldnt be mad at them reworking some of the old questlines and rewards from them to even things out, but if Blizz puts their hand in it theyll corrupt it somehow. Its best if they just leave it alone.
The reason many specs, like balance druid, are bad is because they run out of mana too fast. Simply changing moonkin form to refund a spells mana cost on a crit, similar to holy paladins Illumination talent, and similar abilities would be enough to fix most of the bad specs. In HC, they removed the debuff cap which will make some specs more viable and i'm curious how good affliction lock is now for raiding. Most of the good specs, like dps warriors, are great because of world buff stacking and some specs, like shadow priest, gain very little benefit from world buff stacking. IMO, you should only be able to have 1 world buff at a time to help even out damage
"You think you do... 💰but you'll do in the future. 💰" - Blizzard
Hardcore is a fresh coat of paint on a beautiful old house. It's appealing and new, but you're not buying the paint. You're buying the house. That's why Classic will always be better than what WoW has become. It was made in a time before Activision, when Blizzard was run by nerds who just wanted to make fun games, not marketing execs puppeting the lifeless corpse of a once great company.
Turtle wow is the place to be :) Classic+ how it should be done by passionate developers!
I think blizzard are scared of change because of the mass exodus with shadowlands.Glad they are listening to players.I don't care which version of WoW everyone's playing,as long as we are loving azeroth ❤
First time ever playing wow. I finally understand why people say this game was so good. I’m obsessed! Nothing is given to you, even like where to quest. I’ve met so many people and I feel so excited when I get a small gear upgrade.
"Why something with a lifespan naturally even more limited than retail itself is the future." AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 💀
I would love classic plus; the problem is that current blizzard isn't the same people that made original WOW. I would hope they could make some good classic content but with how retail wows lore is right now , I highly doubt it would be very good.
They'd just add LFG/LFR and WoW Tokens. Oh and character boosts.
The fact that Blizzard tried to gaslight the community into thinking they didn't want to play classic when it is now one of the ways they make money from WoW is so funny to me. I hadn't played retail at all because of how advanced it had gotten, but when the original Classic WoW came out in 2019, I hopped in there day one, because I wanted to see how this massively popular MMO got its start. It was some of the most fun I've ever had in an MMORPG, and I would 100% go back to Classic WoW if they released Classic WoW Plus, because the idea of that is much more appealing to me as a new WoW player, since Classic controls are much easier for me personally than Retail controls and trying to figure out all of that bullshit.
HC Classic needs them to bug fix the problems (they haven't so far) that are being reported, ban the bots (they haven't) go after the Gold Sellers in the in-game Email System (they Haven't), fix the in-game economy (the prices paid at vendors etc are apparently LESS than in Classic) and remove the PvP flagging errors that is happening that was not part of many quests (no idea why for example that taking quests fighting the Dark Iron Dwarves should somehow mark you for PvP with the Horde etc.)
In my opinion, WoW Retail is a bad single player game that you play online and sees other people around while you go on doing your solo chores, and when you eventually get to the max level the game open up it's multiplayer aspect.
While WoW Classic is a multiplayer game from the beginning, it creates the possibilities to interact with players, to chat and organize travels to dungeons, your group buffs and skills makes sense and are important since the beginning low levels, a game where before level 10 your crafting skills already allow you to make helpful stuff that'll be interesting for other players too. WoW Classic is a collective experience at it's best.
I believe that the Conjure Food skill from mages summarize this feeling. I remember that in Retail it barely made sense, as after a fight my health would recover in a sec. Playing WoW Classic as a low level mage, you have the funny role of serving food and water to other players in the middle of the dungeon, because health and mana won't recover as easily.
I was watching a friend play retail and I wanted to puke. You can face tank as many mobs as you want, and one shot everything in your way. It's souless.
I have to agree, but I think both classic and retail can be the future. Here’s how I see it, why not have two dev teams, one focuses on classic+ and one that focuses on retail. Having community polls in which version players are enjoying more, and what they enjoy/don’t enjoy about both. Then have the teams work in friendly competition with each other, maybe give bonus incentives to the teams who can get the polls on their side, have panels at Blizzcon where both teams debate each other and answer questions from players etc. I think it would bring so much innovation and life to retail game, while adding fresh new classic experiences.
Now that I actually played WOW Classic and have experienced Vanilla and TBC in its full glory, I can see the problems every expansions had, and I can see when the problems started with WOW, and it was not with Cataclysm. The "play the phase not the xpac" is already there, while in Vanilla.. ALL the content was current for the whole expansion, I'd even go to say that WOW Classic Dev went th wrong way by making carch up dungeons in WOTLK classic, it made older content obsolete completely. That's the beauty of Vanilla, you had much less gear inflation and items in earlier raids could be BIS.
In my opinion, the future of WoW Classic is a very interesting and controversial topic. One scenario I often think about is a system in which the first addons (e.g. Classic - Wotlk) occur over and over again, like Seasons. Combined with the nice thought of a "Classic +" Variant, Classic+ could then be followed by TBC+, for example. It would make sense to let the addons run longer with more content. I just like the idea to have a good time in Classic (+) and then continue with my character in TBC (+), as it ran so far in WoW Classic.
I'll never understand the appeal of hardcore. I'll never touch another server that has shadowlands and above. I can't stand blizz pushing their politics on me through the game.
The only thing that i can see saving retail is that if the infinite dragonflight makes the current time line "corupt" where everyone in the world forgot what your character did. And makes it so you are just an advernturer again. Not the hero who with other heros saved the world. Make a new daily adventures hall with daily quest posted on a board where all the classes have to go. And the quest are random throught all of the world. Like imagine having to fly to duskwillow marsh to have to fight a world boss or rare because someone cabin is in jepordy. Lets go on adventures again.
Modern WoW just feels "overengineered". It's like a perfectly oiled little progression machine with rewards paced out perfectly and everything is well-balanced. But I don't know if Blizzard understands that the appeal of Classic WoW is rooted in its imperfections.
The game is a bit rough, unbalanced, dungeons can be awkward and rewards very random. But it's precicely this lack of engineering, that makes everything feel more meaningful. But I'm not sure if modern Blizaard is really able (or willing) to capitalize on this.
There are no rewards in modern wow. It's a paradox. So many rewards and so often that they don't feel like rewards anymore.
There's so much to do in Classic. I just feel like raiding to get more gear from icc is all that we have to do in wrath atm
You can feel the love and care that made Classic WoW, by simply exploring the world. Even if it did die one day, it will still be the king of mmos.
the people who created wow is no longer in blizzard, wich makes me VERY sceptical towards it can be such a great version of wow that we got in 2004 (im overdosing on copium) but i really wish we could have what once were in a modern light. That would make them SO MUCH MONEY i dont think they realise the potentiall that is in thier fingertips
They should find out why classic is so popular and once they find out, try to transfer it to retail as best they can.
i have a vague prob not accurate memory from when i was a small child of my uncle getting wow around the time of the original release of wow and there was a feature i remember that i found to be quite exciting and interesting and that was the separation of the alliance and the horde with a giant wall separating the 2 factions basically on a timer of when the wall would crumble down and when the wall falls a all out war would break out no1 was safe when this wall fell it was all out war there was no accept the duel there was no safe zones if you were alliance a horde toon could gank you and vice versa it was a state of permeant warmode with a kill count tracker that would keep track of how many kills each faction accumulated and after a set amount of time the war would end and the wall would be rebuilt the soldiers would be sent home and the winning side would be rewarded for there efforts in the great war with some kick ass loot this is what i think of when i hear classic wow and i wish blizzard would bring this back in some way now that being said the only way this could be made a reality now is if blizzard made a server where you couldn't choose your faction you were assigned where your toon was " born " and you were limited to 1 toon being able to be created on the server to keep it fair for both sides this is what i want to see happen in wow i want to see a player civil war happen in the world of warcraft
Im a new player only been playing for 2 years and i love classic hardcore
WoW is one of the only games one calls himself a new player after 2 years. Spot on though. Even after years of playing it there are always some stuff to learn. :)
i don’t think blizzard is going to make a classic+. “you think you do but you don’t”
on second note.
I think retail is a movie with grind.
and classic is an MMORPG.
What I'd want from Classic+ is for Blizzard to finish the original planned content for the game, bar some things like the Dragon Isles at level 70. And from there, maybe even diverge further lorewise. For example, you can have Stromgarde be retaken by the humans and then it becomes a new hub for the alliance. Not sure how they'd mirror that for the horde though, but still, there's plenty of ways to take the game further
Try out turtle wow
Problem with private servers is that if blizzard really wants to, they will shut them down and all your progress or money you spent there for QoL will be lost.@@justinmccray5014
Horde can use any of the troll ruin areas to rebuild troll cities in STV or Tanaris.
I really hope for SoM2 they at least retrofit the new TBC/WotLK old world quests. Some of the zones get a lot more quests, like Dustwallow Marsh.
Classic hardcore has the feel that I want, but it is also really horribly distorted by Blizzard's goosing of the mob rez rates. to the point where I've died twice now on mobs intant-rezzing on me multiple times literally 0.1 second after I killed it. And a third time on a partial-DC that put my toon drowned in the water off of menethil for no reason. Blizzard really needs to fix a few things before I'm willing to continue risking the incredible amounts of time it takes to work these toons up.
Yeah Hardcore really shines a light on how bad the programming was back in the day. The devs were rushed to realease the product and it wasnt ready. Some zones were definitely incomplete, classes werent balanced or play tested, and coding bugs.
@@bluemyst42 Well, I don't think it has much to do with programming back in the day. Classes were unbalanced but, actually, in hardcore they are strangely more balanced because there is a far greater need for protective bufs and mitigations. Also, remember that classic is NOT running the original code base. Its running on the modern client and server code base. Just with the original maps and scripts and numerous adaptations which mostly work, though not perfectly.
The issue with the insta-pops and layering (layering never existed in the original classic) is a modern programming snafu that Blizzard is just letting sit there screwing up people's game play. It certainly isn't classic. Insta-pops didn't happen in classic. In the original game you could clear a way out on your way in. In the current hardcore, your way out is blocked by fresh mobs almost immediately after you've killed them.
I don't think it would take a whole lot for Blizzard to fix hardcore. They need to set a minimum repop timer of at least 2 minutes.
They need to either remove layering entirely or fix it so it just doesn't happen unless you are inside a rested experience zone like SW or IF or an inn, or adding to a group. But that's it. It shouldn't ever trigger otherwise.
And blizzard needs to do something about the half-DC problem where people romp around thinking they are connected to the game when, in fact, their toon is running in place hundreds of yards away getting killed by a mob.
Just play TurtleWow instead, Classic+ HC with real devs.
It's not like we've seen a classic version of a game take a different path from the modern version and be hugely successful, it's not like the creators of this game poll the community too see what kind of direction the fan base would like to see this game continue towards, as far as I am aware no game such as this exists.
Now if you'll excuse me I gotta spend 14 hours grinding out my fishing at Catherby.
Heck ya Nixxiom! Died for the first time last night at 18 in loch modan. Can't wait to continue
I don’t think Blizz can stop making retail. That would be like admitting defeat. I don’t see a way for them to turn classic into the retail title. Even with Classic plus. I think for Classic plus, they’d need to completely remake the entire world using modern tech, and start from scratch. Then we do the whole thing over again, but maybe we go down a slightly different path. They have two decades of data on what works and what doesn’t. It seems almost criminal to not use that to create something new.
I personally like playing retail more than classic wow but classic wow is a lot more enjoyable to watch than retail wow. I preffer spectating CLASSIC over retail because theres a lot on the screen for retail but classic is more engaging as a spectacle. A guy dieing fighting 3 tigers is straight to the point vs an elite guild downing a boss idk anything about after 400 wipes is meh
The main issue with classic+ is everyone is going to have a different opinion on what is acceptable, this didn't happen with original classic (sort of, you did have the no changes vs. some changes thing, but overall people agreed on what classic was) or hardcore. Do we balance classes? Some will say yes, others will argue that's what led to homogenization in retail and it wouldn't be good. Do we add new zones? If yes, which are acceptable? Do we add Cataclysm's Gilneas? TBCs Quel'thalas? I think you get the point. Classic+ is a very "tread carefully" sort of thing.
I was thinking the same thing. I wouldn't mind the updated polygons and graphics from retail, but many others wouldn't. Plus the moment you add a new raid you'll already be changing the classic experience because now that will be the best gear and everything else will be obsolete.
That's exactly the problem. Everyone is going to want different things, and Blizzard will always be the bad guy no matter what they do.
I never had the opportunity to really enjoy Classic WOW, I didn't actually start playing until they were preparing to release Legion. Legion, to me, was amazing, I loved it. After Legion though, that's when things started to go downhill for me. The monetization and the cash shop are seriously ruining this game, it's almost like they don't really give a damn about the player base anymore, more like, they only care about your money. It's such an asinine thing to assume to know what WE want, like they know what we want at all, have they ever actually asked? When was the last time Blizzard actually cared about our thoughts on the game moving forward? They only released Classic WOW because that's what the people wanted, not what THEY wanted, so really, it's almost redundant to even ask us what we want when they already know the answer to that. We just want a good mmorpg with great gameplay, great story, great character development and customization, and more than one reason to put hours and hours into it, to feel like what we do in game matters, like it actually has an impact on the world. I'm not gonna spend money on a game when it no longer feels fun to me anymore. That's ultimately why I quit. Most of the time, it felt like I was playing catch up with people in my clan and FFXIV is the same exact thing for me now. I honestly don't know if I'll ever come back to either of these great games, I want to, but part of me feels like I played enough of both of them to justify my reasons for not wanting to play anymore.
I think a lot of the problem is the aesthetic of classic versus live. Live is glowing, sparkling, huge silly weapons and armor, outrageous lore and a barrier to community team building. Classic had that old school, high fantasy, if it aint broken don't fix it aesthetic of swords and sorcery, bows and arrows. That's been around for so long, why? Because it works. Live has spaceships for goodness sakes, that isn't high fantasy as far as I know.
Add that into a pushbutton group join and run laps around whatever capital city until the queue pops and it's hard to hold a candle against a version like classic. But then again, everyones been spoiled by the instant epics and gratification from live so the slog from 1-60 doesn't appeal to new players.
Honestly, Wotlk is very good, but the MMO aspect of Wow has been lost some time durring TBC cant really pinpoint where. The safest way to give this great game an even greater future just make a huge content patch durring Vanilla Naxx.
Like what?
Man I have two kids on top of a job and all that stuff. I wish I had time for retail but I never will again those days are long gone. With classic hc I can play when I get some time and there are always noobs like myself in the starting zones because we can’t get past level 30. Who knows maybe one day I’ll get to 60. Classic, or classic hc, just makes so much more sense for people like myself.
They should:
1. balance out the classes so raids are not only warrior/rogue/warlock (maybe import changes from TBC)
2. go classic+ route with new stuff to do, there is not enough content to keep all this "new" players subbed for more then a year at best
I think Outland should have been released as level 45-60 content, with ISle of Quel Danas being a 60 zone. Wrath does the same kind of thing and adds new 45-60 stuff with some max level zones added in patches.
Each expansion update the quests to the current timeline and maybe update a couple zones graphics each time.
What a take
@@raminMTL It would have let them add new dungeons as leveling content, slowly revamp the appearance of some zones as the become plot relevent (any zone could be updated to max level for any expansion.)
Old Dungeons/Raids would vary in difficulty each expansion due to changing abilities/talents.
New raids could release at the same tier as the previous expansion's last raid or with a very slight increase to ilevel and work from that point.
It's just how I would have done it.