Dantley was an amazing player, great scorer! If you looked at that 88' Pistons roster....Dantley was kind of the odd man out. Dantley was a scorer who thrived in one-on-one situations. AD was used to playing on bad teams where he was the only scoring option (those late 70's early 80's Jazz teams). On a team where you had multiple options (Zeke, Laimbeer, Dumars, Vinnie Johnson, etc.) Dantley wasn't that thrilled (at least at first) to being on the Pistons, but he started to change his tune as time went on that season. Plus, you had the old friendship between Zeke and Mark Aguirre already in play. Somebody had to go that was on Aguirre's level, and that somebody unfortunately was Dantley 😞 Would have been nice to see Dantley win a ring, but it wasn't meant to be
Not meant to be? Not quite. Alcindor got away with a travel (and possibly an offensive foul) late in Game 6 of the '88 Finals. That was in the hands of the officials. Had nothing to do with the Pistons not having the right lineup. Same goes for the '87 series against Boston. Thomas blew it in Game 5. They lost Dantley to a concussion in Game 7 and then squandered their 4th quarter lead. They were a championship caliber team by '87. Dantley was not keeping them from winning a title.
@@bubufubu Thanks for running down what I lived through in the 1980’s. Especially, Zeke’s mistake in 1987 against Boston, that one STILL hurts! It wasn’t meant to be for AD for precisely what you mentioned. Sure, you could argue that the Pistons were a championship team in 87 and 88 and I would tend to agree as I grew up a Pistons fan in Michigan. But, these things happen….calls don’t go your way (Kareem’s walk), players sometimes react emotionally without critical thought (Isiah), etc.
@@furnitureconsortium It's not up for debate. They _were_ a championship team by '87. There is absolutely no room for dispute. It has nothing to do with meant to be/fate. Isiah was careless. That was his choice. The Lakers got home cookin' late in Game 6. It's not as if these were situations where the shot looked good but then rimmed out. In '87, Game 5 was within their control. Alcindor's travel not being called and an egregious foul call against Laimbeer were within the hands of the officials. It's not as if a tarot card reader was in control of the matter, turned over her cards and said: "Well shucks, looks like it just ain't in the cards for the Pistons for another two years".
@@bubufubu-Detroit was trailing Cleveland when they made the trade. They went 46-8 after the trade. Detroit was not winning the title with AD. Aguirre's presence benefitted Dumars more than anyone because Aguirre was a willing passer, something AD was not.
Aquirre did two things during the Piston's run that doesn't get talked about enough: 1) he willingly sacrificed his stats and shots when he arrived for the betterment of the team; 2) HE approached Chuck Daly to suggest going to the bench and putting Rodman in the starting line up and the team took off afterwards. Dantley clearly had the better career but Aquirre was the better fit (especially in the locker room) and a better team player to get Detroit over the hump.
That didn't look like a pleasant conversation between Isiah and Adrian dantley. As a bulls fan at the time I was ecstatic about that trade because we had no answer for that dude down low even though we had a young Scottie pippen, a.d. was just a load. Pistons still won the title anyway.
The Bulls had no answer for Dantley, _anywhere_ on the court. He slaughtered them. Chicago had some really important things go their way between '89 and '91.
This was a smart move by Detroit. At least it made sense. Agguire was a similar type of scorer but he was younger, not as much of a ballstopper as Adrian was. The Pistons didnt need a dominant scorer as they had a potent 3 man backcourt. On those nights when Agguire didnt score alot or rode the bench it wasnt as disruptive to team chemistry.
Just another attempt to smear Isiah Thomas. AD was traded weeks after winning the ROY Award-the first time that ever happened. Did he accuse Bob McAdoo for the trade? 23 games in Indiana, they traded him to LA? Did he blame Don Buse? After 2 years there, he got traded to Utah. Did he blame Jabbar for that trade? After 2 scoring titles, he got traded to Detroit. Did he blame Griffith or Malone for the trade? The problem was everybody knew AD was a liability but he cried about Isiah because he was jealous of Isiah's popularity and resented that a smaller player was the franchise star. So 4 trades before Detroit and he never cried but suddenly a star player conspired to get him traded? Doesn't make sense.
Note: You ever notice how when a guy is traded they automatically have his jersey right there... I mean it takes time to make an actual jersey with the number and the sketching of the name(s)?... I think the NBA may have every player fitted for every team? Dantley: The man could get it done individually but when you play the top defensive teams at the ECF/Finals level, it's easy to break down a team with Dantley on it because he holds the ball giving the defense a chance to rest and they know where to double team, rotate, and recover...so Dantley's ability to isolate really enabled the defense if you make him the focus of the offense... this is what happened with the Lakers in 1988, look how quick the Lakers were defensively in games 6 and 7 and why is it Dantley could NOT have greater games in both those games?.... Especially in game 7?
funny to see Thomas smiling here and then crying when he was (rightfully) left off the Dream Team make no mistake, the Pistons got worse when they traded Dantley. it didn't prevent them from repeating, but it for sure sabotaged the threepeat/dynasty. Isiah just couldn't stand being 2nd fiddle.
The Bad Boys' two titles didn't involve AD. He was there for neither ring. SO I don't understand your comment about "it didn't prevent them from repeating..." He was traded before they won a title. AD, great as he was, was the second fiddle to Isiah; the Pistons were HIS team without argument. AD didn't have the situational awareness to accept that.
"Isiah.....I will never forgive you for this" 😢
amazing scoring skills
Dantley had the best running back moves inside the paint when taking two steps.
He had a very quick 1st and 2nd step to the hoop.
A.D. was a bad man!!! One of the greatest scoring small forwards in the history of the game!
Dantley was an amazing player, great scorer! If you looked at that 88' Pistons roster....Dantley was kind of the odd man out. Dantley was a scorer who thrived in one-on-one situations. AD was used to playing on bad teams where he was the only scoring option (those late 70's early 80's Jazz teams). On a team where you had multiple options (Zeke, Laimbeer, Dumars, Vinnie Johnson, etc.) Dantley wasn't that thrilled (at least at first) to being on the Pistons, but he started to change his tune as time went on that season.
Plus, you had the old friendship between Zeke and Mark Aguirre already in play. Somebody had to go that was on Aguirre's level, and that somebody unfortunately was Dantley 😞
Would have been nice to see Dantley win a ring, but it wasn't meant to be
Not meant to be? Not quite. Alcindor got away with a travel (and possibly an offensive foul) late in Game 6 of the '88 Finals. That was in the hands of the officials. Had nothing to do with the Pistons not having the right lineup. Same goes for the '87 series against Boston. Thomas blew it in Game 5. They lost Dantley to a concussion in Game 7 and then squandered their 4th quarter lead. They were a championship caliber team by '87. Dantley was not keeping them from winning a title.
@@bubufubu
Thanks for running down what I lived through in the 1980’s. Especially, Zeke’s mistake in 1987 against Boston, that one STILL hurts!
It wasn’t meant to be for AD for precisely what you mentioned. Sure, you could argue that the Pistons were a championship team in 87 and 88 and I would tend to agree as I grew up a Pistons fan in Michigan. But, these things happen….calls don’t go your way (Kareem’s walk), players sometimes react emotionally without critical thought (Isiah), etc.
@@furnitureconsortium It's not up for debate. They _were_ a championship team by '87. There is absolutely no room for dispute. It has nothing to do with meant to be/fate. Isiah was careless. That was his choice. The Lakers got home cookin' late in Game 6. It's not as if these were situations where the shot looked good but then rimmed out. In '87, Game 5 was within their control. Alcindor's travel not being called and an egregious foul call against Laimbeer were within the hands of the officials. It's not as if a tarot card reader was in control of the matter, turned over her cards and said: "Well shucks, looks like it just ain't in the cards for the Pistons for another two years".
Adrian Dantley's game was no different than Mark Mcguire. There was no need for that trade.
Celtic til the End
@@bubufubu-Detroit was trailing Cleveland when they made the trade.
They went 46-8 after the trade.
Detroit was not winning the title with AD.
Aguirre's presence benefitted Dumars more than anyone because Aguirre was a willing passer, something AD was not.
LOVED A.D.!
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Damn Aguire is like “He’s MY Isaiah now”😠 TENSION
Isiah
Aquirre did two things during the Piston's run that doesn't get talked about enough: 1) he willingly sacrificed his stats and shots when he arrived for the betterment of the team; 2) HE approached Chuck Daly to suggest going to the bench and putting Rodman in the starting line up and the team took off afterwards. Dantley clearly had the better career but Aquirre was the better fit (especially in the locker room) and a better team player to get Detroit over the hump.
Aguirre was a larger than life while at DePaul in Chicago. For two or three years he was more popular than any pro athlete except Walter Payton.
@@rashard4 I believe it. People forget how nice Aguirre was in college. College POY and the #1 pick in the draft.
Would've liked to know what AD was saying it looked pretty intense
That didn't look like a pleasant conversation between Isiah and Adrian dantley. As a bulls fan at the time I was ecstatic about that trade because we had no answer for that dude down low even though we had a young Scottie pippen, a.d. was just a load. Pistons still won the title anyway.
The Bulls had no answer for Dantley, _anywhere_ on the court. He slaughtered them. Chicago had some really important things go their way between '89 and '91.
@@bubufubu I'm not going to lie about that, are you from Detroit?
@@winycityfightfan Nope. I've just watched a lot of NBA basketball.
Should've traded him to the Celtics
This was a smart move by Detroit. At least it made sense. Agguire was a similar type of scorer but he was younger, not as much of a ballstopper as Adrian was.
The Pistons didnt need a dominant scorer as they had a potent 3 man backcourt. On those nights when Agguire didnt score alot or rode the bench it wasnt as disruptive to team chemistry.
The 1987 and 1988 seasons disagree with you. Also, Chicago had no answer for Dantley. Kind of a big deal.
Just another attempt to smear Isiah Thomas.
AD was traded weeks after winning the ROY Award-the first time that ever happened.
Did he accuse Bob McAdoo for the trade?
23 games in Indiana, they traded him to LA?
Did he blame Don Buse?
After 2 years there, he got traded to Utah.
Did he blame Jabbar for that trade?
After 2 scoring titles, he got traded to Detroit.
Did he blame Griffith or Malone for the trade?
The problem was everybody knew AD was a liability but he cried about Isiah because he was jealous of Isiah's popularity and resented that a smaller player was the franchise star.
So 4 trades before Detroit and he never cried but suddenly a star player conspired to get him traded?
Doesn't make sense.
Isiah scored 30 that game to let AD know, we don't need you.
Note: You ever notice how when a guy is traded they automatically have his jersey right there... I mean it takes time to make an actual jersey with the number and the sketching of the name(s)?... I think the NBA may have every player fitted for every team?
Dantley: The man could get it done individually but when you play the top defensive teams at the ECF/Finals level, it's easy to break down a team with Dantley on it because he holds the ball giving the defense a chance to rest and they know where to double team, rotate, and recover...so Dantley's ability to isolate really enabled the defense if you make him the focus of the offense... this is what happened with the Lakers in 1988, look how quick the Lakers were defensively in games 6 and 7 and why is it Dantley could NOT have greater games in both those games?.... Especially in game 7?
Mark Aguirre can't guard Dantley nor can anyone on Detroit based on this video.
They had Mahorn/Laimbeer/Rodman and Aguirre taking turns trying to guard AD... 😂
Neither could anyone on Chicago at the time.
Rodman could have held him. But yeah AD was a beast!
AD as a talent wasn't on Aguirre's level.
Not even close..
Aguirre could score from anywhere, AD could not.
2:18 nifty volleyball play by Derek Harper.
0:49
Aguire looks like a black Shia Labeof in this instant.
Am I crazy ??
Damn wonder what he said look at how mark looking at isaiah
Isiah
funny to see Thomas smiling here and then crying when he was (rightfully) left off the Dream Team
make no mistake, the Pistons got worse when they traded Dantley. it didn't prevent them from repeating, but it for sure sabotaged the threepeat/dynasty. Isiah just couldn't stand being 2nd fiddle.
The Bad Boys' two titles didn't involve AD. He was there for neither ring. SO I don't understand your comment about "it didn't prevent them from repeating..." He was traded before they won a title. AD, great as he was, was the second fiddle to Isiah; the Pistons were HIS team without argument. AD didn't have the situational awareness to accept that.