@0:33 -- Hysteria? Concerned people are not hysterical people. @1:12 "...it brought out the Microsoft haters, in droves." It brought out far more people that love Windows, but are concerned about privacy. People that do not throw caution to the wind are not haters. They are proactively taking measures to not carelessly abandon proper privacy practices. @1:39 "Recall only works on Co-Pilot Plus PCs." That is how a slippery slope begins. When millions, or perhaps billions, of people, world-wide, purchase a new PC, are they supposed to comprehend "Recall", and know its relationship to Co-Pilot, and the rest? Will they know that having Recall enabled exposes 100% of their activities to anyone that gains control of their PC? They hear "AI", and they salivate. If they know anything, it is only the wonderful side of Recall. The average person (we are talking billions of people) has no clue about the intricacies of Recall. @2:13 "You have nothing to worry about (if you do not have a Recall qualified PC)." For the folks that do have Co-Pilot Plus / Recall qualified PCs, they do have what to worry about? @4:19 "This means that other users cannot access these keys..." When someone deceptively clones your drive, or gains access to your login, etc, they will not be "other users". They will be "you", as far as Windows is concerned. Now the attacker will have a clear, detailed view of everything that has appeared on your screen, and will probably include keystrokes and mouse clicks (why not, when it is simple to implement). That encryption software you run, to guard your password manager, and your Vera Crypt keys, and any other encryption that you use... well, now anyone with access to your PC has, with Microsoft's blessing, bypassed 100% of your security. @5:32 "There's nothing Microsoft can do in recall..." There is a difference between what Microsoft can do vs what Microsoft is actually doing. I can stare at my neighbor, and creep her out. That is what I can do. But it is not the same as me actually doing it. @6:08 "...doesn't really add much more exposure to the mix." The "Frog in boiling water effect". Microsoft's executives are aware of humans having that same nature. If this were 1998, and we were all using Windows 95 or Windows 98, and then Microsoft rolled out "Recall", people would be up in arms. But when privacy invasive tools are commonplace, then that is the time to roll out Recall, because "Heck, who cares anymore about privacy?" Folks, if you have a burglary, and your PC gets stolen, then your Windows login account's password can be changed. Now the criminal can login as you, and see it all. The same thing for any and every policing agency on the planet. Your private, encrypted data is there for them to see, via the Recall screen-shots, and Recall providing your passwords. And can you imagine incompetent government bureaucrats not securing their PCs or servers -- and also in financial institutions and countless other large companies that have sensitive information, and some unscrupulous tech savvy employee or consultant, etc, gains access to those Recall enabled systems... they would see everything. Can you imagine the data breaches? Data breaches happen all of the time. Now add Recall to the attacker's tool-kit. Sure, for the average Joe with his computer, he will have no issues. But this is not about any individual user.
I think the main concern with people is the lack of choice. Most of us are limited to two options: Apple or Windows. It is extremely difficult to commercially buy a computer that does use either of these operating systems. That makes both supplies less responsive to the consumer. If you could go to a store and choice between four or five operating system, you bet they would be more responsive.
You can always install Linux Mint. Takes about 15 minutes and you are ready to go. Linux is free most of the time. Mint definitely is. And it will be kinder to your hardware (unless you are a gamer). I am past my 40s, tried Linux first time this year, even brought back my 15 year old machine, running Linux Wilma better than it used to run on Vista before. Never had any formal computing education. Chat GPT is alway at hand if I need advice.
@@D.von.N I have an older PC I am running Mint/Cinnamon on. Getting used to it and its features so when 10 is no longer supported, I 'll be ready to put on my current desktop media server. So far my favorite distros are Mint and Zorin. very easy move from Windows.
I agree with you 100%. Microsoft is already collecting gigs of data every second of every day from mostly unsuspecting end users. Now that 'Home' users are forced into creating a Microsoft account, whether they want to or not, all that data can be more efficiently processed "...to make ads more interesting to you...", for instance -- because, who doesn't want more interesting ads? Am I right? Not only that, Windows has been recording 'Activity History' since at least Windows 10. Unless you know where to turn it off -- because it is on by default -- and most everyday consumers don't even know it exists. And that's just barely touching the surface of all the telemetry that is being sent to Microsoft's servers. Recall is just a super-charged, AI-infused version of 'Activity History'. (To be fair, it's not just Microsoft's servers collecting telemetry. I'm looking at you: Apple, HP, Dell, Lenovo, Nvidia, AMD, Adobe, every single mobile app in existence, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Let's not forget the Grand Poobah of them all, Google!) Microsoft says that all the Recall data is stored locally -- now encrypted in its 'patched' version, at least. (Oops! Shame, Microsoft. Shame!) But is it strictly local? Microsoft says it is. (And why would a virtual monopoly lie to its end users? Right?) I'm convinced that concession is, at best, a half-truth. Can I imagine a scenario to show it probably isn't strictly a 'local feature'? Well, I admit it's just speculation. So, take it with the smallest grain of salt. But man! It sure feels plausible: Let's use the 'best' reason to create and use a Microsoft account to sign into Windows. It can be used to recover from a system crash, or if you buy a new computer. Just sign in with Microsoft's account and all your stuff will be there -- Wait. I can't use Recall anymore to look for that website I didn't bookmark before the crash that had the prettiest girl I've ever seen? (Probably GenAI, anyway.) Maybe not in 2025. Give it a few more quarters before Nadella exclaims to his investors: "Yes. Our users can now Recall 'all' their devices from any of their signed in devices running Windows. Or they can just sign into any Edge browser with their Microsoft account -- from their work PC, for instance -- or sign into Microsoft website from any browser, (because the EU makes us do that), and they can do a Recall search conveniently from any location in the world. Now, about all that AI training we've been doing for the past decade..."
@ Purely speculative. I am going by reading comments on other videos about recall. Nobody seems interested in using recall to find that cake recipe they saw on the internet last week. Possible uses of recall include developers who might want to undo changes in code they deleted in haste. Or companies that may want to spy on their employees. In those cases, solutions already exist.
This was very well presented, and I want to clearly state that I'm not arguing with you, simply sharing some thoughts based on what many (around a dozen) other tech sites I've checked are saying. 1:30 Microsoft's CEO said in an interview (I think with Austin Evans) that they want to push some amount of Recall to all x86 pcs over time. Whether he intended "all" or "all new" was unclear. 2:50 Opt-out was only changed to opt-in after people reacted. Another concern is that Microsoft has the capability (and maybe history) of changing this in updates, without notice or consent. 3:40 Microsoft lost a lot of good faith with users when the initial version was found to not have sufficient security, and was allegedly able to be connected to through the internet. 4:52 Mic drop moment 🤣 At the end of the day, your conclusion - most users have no issue, now or in the future - certainly seems to be the concensus, but it also seems like it's definitely something we all need to keep watching. Watching, not worrying.
Disable Recall snapshots: Type Group in search bar below and "Edit Group Policy" selection shows, Click it. Select Administrative Templates, Windows Components, Windows AI. Click "Turn off Saving Snapshots for Windows" and a window appears; select "policy setting" . Select "Enabled' (it's counter-intuitive) to enable the turn-off function. Select Apply. Reboot.
Microsoft's dominance of Windows makes it hard for users to even try a different OS because Windows is the monopolistic dominating OS for decades. Based on Microsoft's history of so-called Features (aka bugs, mistakes, etc.), they will silently behind-the-scenes enable some type of scan or implement a partial feature to get the information. The information Microsoft pulls out of Windows is astounding. Yes, Microsoft did announce that the Recall feature for Co-Pilot+ computers, but they have also made it available for non-Co-Pilot+ computers. Just if they release it to the public that way or not, no one will know. Microsoft is good a hiding and deceiving users for many decades now.
Not really a Microsoft hater but the direction they're headed is forcing me into that camp. After you described what's needed to run Recall, I'm thinking to myself, that's a lot of effort to put into one feature of an OS that only average Windows users will use. The medical professionals, legal, government professionals CAN'T use Recall. This begs the question, what's the payoff for this gigantic effort on Recall? When you join a poker game and everyone around the table don't look like a sucker then...
Since I don't have a Copilot PC it's not my concern. But the problem with Microsoft is how aggressive they get to push stuff disrespecting user choices. I don't want Edge as my default browser or don't want it to import data from Chrome at each launch for example. I use Edge as my default anyway as it has lot of features but I also use Chrome some use cases and want to keep my data separate across browsers. But this simple thing won't go through the thick skull of MS management team. Or how their Documents folder is a mess. All apps and games store their config file and such in Documents folder and then OneDrive forces me to turn on backup. And so all the junk in the documents folder gets backed up. I have to create a separate My Documents folder to store actual documents. So, similarly, it's no guarantee that Recall is opt in, they'll nag users to turn it on anyway. They don't care about user choices.
Your "snarky question" is the best one I've heard. Why are people still using Microsoft? As to removing recall, can you and not break something else? Some sources say it breaks the new file explorer so you have to use the old one? Microsoft will say one thing one day, another thing the next, then go back to their first statement. And while my data might be safe from other users of the system it isn't safe from Microsoft, recall or not. Liberty Safe recently made a big boo boo in giving safe combinations to law enforcement without even being presented with a warrant. Cost them some customers as they lost a lot of trust. Could the same thing be happening with MS? If someone else, regardless of who, knows my encryption key, or my safe combination, is it really safe?
As much as I disagree with Microsoft collecting any data, It can not personally identify you. I agree with AI in any form even less. The line "if you dont like dont use "doesn`t work in a lot of cases there's no other way. I'm not a Microsoft Hater but that won`t stop me disagreeing with current direction
Just quoting what they said, and until there's evidence to the contrary I choose to believe them. Whatever. Microsoft haters gonna hate. There's no objective discussion to be had.
wasnt mass hysteria when it was first released. it was opt-out originally and there was no security other than at-rest encryption because of forced disk encryption, so is accessible by any program when the computer is on. it can capture your login details, back account details, and other private details. having the ability to 'recall' isnt necessary in the first place. use browser history, browser bookmarks, recent files and create shortcuts instead.
and who says recall wont be working later with for example a gpu? Maybe not 5sec/screenshot but 10 and maybe slower process. And what do you mean by windows is already watches? If there is an end to end encrypted chat application, there should be no way to get the chat content, but only if a service (recall?) makes screenshots and processes it. (?)
"And what do you mean by windows is already watches?" I never said they are. I said they COULD, and thus they don't need Recall (or OneDrive) to look at what you're doing.
Anyone might do anything and change their minds and policies at any time. I choose not to live in fear. (And besides, the blow back from that kind of change would be really bad for MS.)
And if you like myself and millions of other PC users are mostly running Windows because you have to, try Windows 10 even if your computer came with Windows 11. It's a less user-hostile environment and is likely to remain the nicer choice even a full year from now.
@@askleonotenboom before or after it happens? The vast majority of Windows users are general users, unable to trace changes and adjusting their system back to their initial choice, and usually not following news like this. Besides, as my eyes have seen, the rumour goes that AI is generating viruses. It is perhaps a matter of time before some malware or other vulnerability open gates to the super secured storage of data this Recall creates (besides chocking the hard disc with data), especially if AI saves the clues in plain text somewhere, as it was at least the case at the beginning. A gold mine for hackers.
Yeah but why is something like that on any device by default, you buy a machine for your personnel use, and not many people need or want this type of feature, everywhere you look everyone is after your data. So you should have a choice if you want something like this installed, not put it on every machine and it will be on every machine if you want it or not........
No one has said that it is on by default. It's only ever available on a very specific type of computer and even then only when it is intentionally turned on.
If you do all your work and store your files on a lap top thats not connected to the web. surely that is safe. I would then need to send a disk or hard copy in the mail to my publisher rather than emailing. Surely that will keep our work and files safe. .???
It is not "seeing" your activity that;s the problem. It is archiving your activity that is scary. There are websites you should not look at. You may check them out due to curiosity. You may be placed on a list. Likely not a problem, but it could be!
I wouldn't be concerned about Microsoft but there are other actors where concerns may exist. For example, here in the UK most ISPs must, by law, log the IP address of everything you connect to and that log is available to various agencies concerned with national security.
Can you really REMOVE recall from the PC? Besides, will it keep nagging you with pop ups to use it and you could turn it on in a weak moment, not aware of it? Also, how is it worded on a set up, does it say recall or is it wrapped in different rhetoric?
My job and a lot of the software I rely on for it requires Windows so the "if you don't like it, don't use" argument isn't all that convincing for me. That said, I wouldn't mind using Windows if I was more in control over the system and had dictate over the data being harvested. I miss the old days where one can buy an OS and then have full control over the computer. OS as a service means dealing with all the slimy legal nonsense that comes with modern lawyering. Microsoft shoves telemetry into everything today, and there is no real way to turn it off other than turning off the network. Louis Rossman sums up a lot of how I feel about companies and their data harvesting antics.
Of all the companies out there Microsoft is one I would trust far more than most. They have never relied on using user data to generate revenue for their business - a model that many other businesses operate on.
The fact that these type of features are not optional is maddening, if they think that users want or need new features then describe it and what it does and if you want go to optional features and download it. Instead of don't want or need this feature Tuff your getting it
Somehow I doubt it will stay opt in when Microsoft sees the adoption rate is less than 5%. So sick of anything that is "natural language" being called AI. So, I guess Ask Jeeves was 90s AI?
Foolishly, I used to trust Leo. But nowi see he's just a shill who answers legitimate concerns about Microsoft's bullying intrusviveness with "Whatever. Microsoft haters gonna hate. There's no objective discussion to be had." Unsubscribing.
People run Windows, or Mac OS - but not any Linux variation - because they are easy to use straight out of the box, and you don't have to eb a nerd to learn them. There's a lesson there for Linux, if it ever wants to rival the other OSs. Ease and convenience will always win out - this is true in computing as well as any other field you care to think about that general public has input in.
Perhaps so - it happens to be sold with pretty much every computer on the retail market apart from Chromebooks. It's also what practically all businesses use as well. A few people who don't want to use Mcirosoft products may choose to run a computer on Linux but that's not really an option for the average person. Even having worked as a software engineer for what 30 years ago was one of the largest computer companies around I wouldn't want to use Linux.
Microsoft said it, so it must be true. You are beyond naive or you are a Microsoft Apologist. Either way you can no longer be trusted. I now have a low regard for you.
@@askleonotenboom It's not about being a Microsoft Hater. Microsoft has shown time and again that it can't be trusted. Which is why there is such a high distrust of it. You must have blinders on or are a Microsoft fan boy. It's hard to believe you when you can't be objective.
I am NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. What I'm saying that if you're concerned about OneDrive and Recall looking at your data (which I am not), why aren't you concerned about Microsoft looking at what they already have access to? The concern about one but not the other is nonsensical.
All this start with a TH-camr Linux fan who goes out of his way to hate ANYTHING Microsoft called Chris Titus. The way he argue how "you can't remove recall" over one recall reference on a single dependency is amazing the gymnastic these people to do try to push people on Linux.
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The issue is that hackers now have an entirely new attack vector needlessly exposed by a feature nobody asked for.
And you need not enable unless you want it.
yes Leo loves every intrusive feature that Microsoft comes up with. If he likes it means you get rid of it.
@@williamlyons3947 Never said I liked it. Just that the current FUD is unwarranted.
@0:33 -- Hysteria?
Concerned people are not hysterical people.
@1:12 "...it brought out the Microsoft haters, in droves."
It brought out far more people that love Windows, but are concerned about privacy. People that do not throw caution to the wind are not haters. They are proactively taking measures to not carelessly abandon proper privacy practices.
@1:39 "Recall only works on Co-Pilot Plus PCs."
That is how a slippery slope begins.
When millions, or perhaps billions, of people, world-wide, purchase a new PC, are they supposed to comprehend "Recall", and know its relationship to Co-Pilot, and the rest? Will they know that having Recall enabled exposes 100% of their activities to anyone that gains control of their PC? They hear "AI", and they salivate. If they know anything, it is only the wonderful side of Recall. The average person (we are talking billions of people) has no clue about the intricacies of Recall.
@2:13 "You have nothing to worry about (if you do not have a Recall qualified PC)."
For the folks that do have Co-Pilot Plus / Recall qualified PCs, they do have what to worry about?
@4:19 "This means that other users cannot access these keys..."
When someone deceptively clones your drive, or gains access to your login, etc, they will not be "other users". They will be "you", as far as Windows is concerned. Now the attacker will have a clear, detailed view of everything that has appeared on your screen, and will probably include keystrokes and mouse clicks (why not, when it is simple to implement).
That encryption software you run, to guard your password manager, and your Vera Crypt keys, and any other encryption that you use... well, now anyone with access to your PC has, with Microsoft's blessing, bypassed 100% of your security.
@5:32 "There's nothing Microsoft can do in recall..."
There is a difference between what Microsoft can do vs what Microsoft is actually doing.
I can stare at my neighbor, and creep her out. That is what I can do. But it is not the same as me actually doing it.
@6:08 "...doesn't really add much more exposure to the mix."
The "Frog in boiling water effect". Microsoft's executives are aware of humans having that same nature.
If this were 1998, and we were all using Windows 95 or Windows 98, and then Microsoft rolled out "Recall", people would be up in arms. But when privacy invasive tools are commonplace, then that is the time to roll out Recall, because "Heck, who cares anymore about privacy?"
Folks, if you have a burglary, and your PC gets stolen, then your Windows login account's password can be changed. Now the criminal can login as you, and see it all.
The same thing for any and every policing agency on the planet. Your private, encrypted data is there for them to see, via the Recall screen-shots, and Recall providing your passwords.
And can you imagine incompetent government bureaucrats not securing their PCs or servers -- and also in financial institutions and countless other large companies that have sensitive information, and some unscrupulous tech savvy employee or consultant, etc, gains access to those Recall enabled systems... they would see everything. Can you imagine the data breaches?
Data breaches happen all of the time. Now add Recall to the attacker's tool-kit.
Sure, for the average Joe with his computer, he will have no issues. But this is not about any individual user.
Well, I, for one, am not concerned.
Bought a Mac Mini yesterday, and when my monitor arrives it’s “goodbye Microsoft, and thanks for all the fishes”.
Name me a corporation you can trust.
No one
I think the main concern with people is the lack of choice. Most of us are limited to two options: Apple or Windows. It is extremely difficult to commercially buy a computer that does use either of these operating systems. That makes both supplies less responsive to the consumer. If you could go to a store and choice between four or five operating system, you bet they would be more responsive.
You can always install Linux Mint. Takes about 15 minutes and you are ready to go. Linux is free most of the time. Mint definitely is. And it will be kinder to your hardware (unless you are a gamer). I am past my 40s, tried Linux first time this year, even brought back my 15 year old machine, running Linux Wilma better than it used to run on Vista before. Never had any formal computing education. Chat GPT is alway at hand if I need advice.
@@D.von.N I have an older PC I am running Mint/Cinnamon on. Getting used to it and its features so when 10 is no longer supported, I 'll be ready to put on my current desktop media server. So far my favorite distros are Mint and Zorin. very easy move from Windows.
I agree with you 100%. Microsoft is already collecting gigs of data every second of every day from mostly unsuspecting end users. Now that 'Home' users are forced into creating a Microsoft account, whether they want to or not, all that data can be more efficiently processed "...to make ads more interesting to you...", for instance -- because, who doesn't want more interesting ads? Am I right? Not only that, Windows has been recording 'Activity History' since at least Windows 10. Unless you know where to turn it off -- because it is on by default -- and most everyday consumers don't even know it exists. And that's just barely touching the surface of all the telemetry that is being sent to Microsoft's servers. Recall is just a super-charged, AI-infused version of 'Activity History'. (To be fair, it's not just Microsoft's servers collecting telemetry. I'm looking at you: Apple, HP, Dell, Lenovo, Nvidia, AMD, Adobe, every single mobile app in existence, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Let's not forget the Grand Poobah of them all, Google!)
Microsoft says that all the Recall data is stored locally -- now encrypted in its 'patched' version, at least. (Oops! Shame, Microsoft. Shame!) But is it strictly local? Microsoft says it is. (And why would a virtual monopoly lie to its end users? Right?) I'm convinced that concession is, at best, a half-truth. Can I imagine a scenario to show it probably isn't strictly a 'local feature'? Well, I admit it's just speculation. So, take it with the smallest grain of salt. But man! It sure feels plausible:
Let's use the 'best' reason to create and use a Microsoft account to sign into Windows. It can be used to recover from a system crash, or if you buy a new computer. Just sign in with Microsoft's account and all your stuff will be there -- Wait. I can't use Recall anymore to look for that website I didn't bookmark before the crash that had the prettiest girl I've ever seen? (Probably GenAI, anyway.) Maybe not in 2025. Give it a few more quarters before Nadella exclaims to his investors: "Yes. Our users can now Recall 'all' their devices from any of their signed in devices running Windows. Or they can just sign into any Edge browser with their Microsoft account -- from their work PC, for instance -- or sign into Microsoft website from any browser, (because the EU makes us do that), and they can do a Recall search conveniently from any location in the world. Now, about all that AI training we've been doing for the past decade..."
NSA to Microsoft: "Hey, that's our job!"
The you have nothing to worry about coming from microsoft means you absolutely need to be worried.
So why is Microsoft putting so much money and resources into a feature that only a small percentage of people would find useful.
How do you know it's a small percentage? Honestly curious.
@ Purely speculative. I am going by reading comments on other videos about recall. Nobody seems interested in using recall to find that cake recipe they saw on the internet last week. Possible uses of recall include developers who might want to undo changes in code they deleted in haste. Or companies that may want to spy on their employees. In those cases, solutions already exist.
This was very well presented, and I want to clearly state that I'm not arguing with you, simply sharing some thoughts based on what many (around a dozen) other tech sites I've checked are saying.
1:30 Microsoft's CEO said in an interview (I think with Austin Evans) that they want to push some amount of Recall to all x86 pcs over time. Whether he intended "all" or "all new" was unclear.
2:50 Opt-out was only changed to opt-in after people reacted. Another concern is that Microsoft has the capability (and maybe history) of changing this in updates, without notice or consent.
3:40 Microsoft lost a lot of good faith with users when the initial version was found to not have sufficient security, and was allegedly able to be connected to through the internet.
4:52 Mic drop moment 🤣
At the end of the day, your conclusion - most users have no issue, now or in the future - certainly seems to be the concensus, but it also seems like it's definitely something we all need to keep watching. Watching, not worrying.
Disable Recall snapshots: Type Group in search bar below and "Edit Group Policy" selection shows, Click it. Select Administrative Templates, Windows Components, Windows AI. Click "Turn off Saving Snapshots for Windows" and a window appears; select "policy setting" . Select "Enabled' (it's counter-intuitive) to enable the turn-off function. Select Apply. Reboot.
That's why Linux is my choice
Microsoft's dominance of Windows makes it hard for users to even try a different OS because Windows is the monopolistic dominating OS for decades. Based on Microsoft's history of so-called Features (aka bugs, mistakes, etc.), they will silently behind-the-scenes enable some type of scan or implement a partial feature to get the information. The information Microsoft pulls out of Windows is astounding. Yes, Microsoft did announce that the Recall feature for Co-Pilot+ computers, but they have also made it available for non-Co-Pilot+ computers. Just if they release it to the public that way or not, no one will know. Microsoft is good a hiding and deceiving users for many decades now.
Not really a Microsoft hater but the direction they're headed is forcing me into that camp.
After you described what's needed to run Recall, I'm thinking to myself, that's a lot of effort to put into one feature of an OS that only average Windows users will use.
The medical professionals, legal, government professionals CAN'T use Recall.
This begs the question, what's the payoff for this gigantic effort on Recall? When you join a poker game and everyone around the table don't look like a sucker then...
Since I don't have a Copilot PC it's not my concern. But the problem with Microsoft is how aggressive they get to push stuff disrespecting user choices. I don't want Edge as my default browser or don't want it to import data from Chrome at each launch for example. I use Edge as my default anyway as it has lot of features but I also use Chrome some use cases and want to keep my data separate across browsers. But this simple thing won't go through the thick skull of MS management team. Or how their Documents folder is a mess. All apps and games store their config file and such in Documents folder and then OneDrive forces me to turn on backup. And so all the junk in the documents folder gets backed up. I have to create a separate My Documents folder to store actual documents. So, similarly, it's no guarantee that Recall is opt in, they'll nag users to turn it on anyway. They don't care about user choices.
Your "snarky question" is the best one I've heard. Why are people still using Microsoft?
As to removing recall, can you and not break something else? Some sources say it breaks the new file explorer so you have to use the old one? Microsoft will say one thing one day, another thing the next, then go back to their first statement. And while my data might be safe from other users of the system it isn't safe from Microsoft, recall or not.
Liberty Safe recently made a big boo boo in giving safe combinations to law enforcement without even being presented with a warrant. Cost them some customers as they lost a lot of trust. Could the same thing be happening with MS? If someone else, regardless of who, knows my encryption key, or my safe combination, is it really safe?
As much as I disagree with Microsoft collecting any data, It can not personally identify you. I agree with AI in any form even less. The line "if you dont like dont use "doesn`t work in a lot of cases there's no other way. I'm not a Microsoft Hater but that won`t stop me disagreeing with current direction
Really bizarre apologism for Microsoft. Disappointing.
Just quoting what they said, and until there's evidence to the contrary I choose to believe them. Whatever. Microsoft haters gonna hate. There's no objective discussion to be had.
wasnt mass hysteria when it was first released. it was opt-out originally and there was no security other than at-rest encryption because of forced disk encryption, so is accessible by any program when the computer is on. it can capture your login details, back account details, and other private details. having the ability to 'recall' isnt necessary in the first place. use browser history, browser bookmarks, recent files and create shortcuts instead.
and who says recall wont be working later with for example a gpu? Maybe not 5sec/screenshot but 10 and maybe slower process. And what do you mean by windows is already watches? If there is an end to end encrypted chat application, there should be no way to get the chat content, but only if a service (recall?) makes screenshots and processes it. (?)
"And what do you mean by windows is already watches?" I never said they are. I said they COULD, and thus they don't need Recall (or OneDrive) to look at what you're doing.
The slippery slope. What they aren’t doing today is what they just might do tomorrow.
Anyone might do anything and change their minds and policies at any time. I choose not to live in fear. (And besides, the blow back from that kind of change would be really bad for MS.)
Yes but no. Be concerned for future changes, but hardly any system available right now can even try the Recall feature out.
And if you like myself and millions of other PC users are mostly running Windows because you have to, try Windows 10 even if your computer came with Windows 11. It's a less user-hostile environment and is likely to remain the nicer choice even a full year from now.
Because not all software works on linux and we are stuck with microsoft so why are you using it is a .... question.
Ok I disabled Recall or uninstalled it. Would future Windows updates reinstall it?
My Win10 put copilot on my task bar after extensive update today, on 22H2.
No way to know. Time will tell. I expect the answer will be "no:, and "we'll hear about it if they do".
@@askleonotenboom before or after it happens?
The vast majority of Windows users are general users, unable to trace changes and adjusting their system back to their initial choice, and usually not following news like this.
Besides, as my eyes have seen, the rumour goes that AI is generating viruses. It is perhaps a matter of time before some malware or other vulnerability open gates to the super secured storage of data this Recall creates (besides chocking the hard disc with data), especially if AI saves the clues in plain text somewhere, as it was at least the case at the beginning. A gold mine for hackers.
Yeah but why is something like that on any device by default, you buy a machine for your personnel use, and not many people need or want this type of feature, everywhere you look everyone is after your data. So you should have a choice if you want something like this installed, not put it on every machine and it will be on every machine if you want it or not........
No one has said that it is on by default. It's only ever available on a very specific type of computer and even then only when it is intentionally turned on.
If you do all your work and store your files on a lap top thats not connected to the web. surely that is safe. I would then need to send a disk or hard copy in the mail to my publisher rather than emailing. Surely that will keep our work and files safe. .???
Hey copilot. I want to watch that movie again from two nights ago when i closed the browser window by accident and i was in incognito mode.
That's "Hey, Recall" to you. :-)
It is not "seeing" your activity that;s the problem. It is archiving your activity that is scary. There are websites you should not look at. You may check them out due to curiosity. You may be placed on a list. Likely not a problem, but it could be!
I wouldn't be concerned about Microsoft but there are other actors where concerns may exist. For example, here in the UK most ISPs must, by law, log the IP address of everything you connect to and that log is available to various agencies concerned with national security.
Can you really REMOVE recall from the PC?
Besides, will it keep nagging you with pop ups to use it and you could turn it on in a weak moment, not aware of it?
Also, how is it worded on a set up, does it say recall or is it wrapped in different rhetoric?
No way to know yet.
Thak you Leo for this much needed clearifying video.
Great video! For some Windows users it may be a feature that they will find convenient. Does it use a significant amount of system storage?
My job and a lot of the software I rely on for it requires Windows so the "if you don't like it, don't use" argument isn't all that convincing for me.
That said, I wouldn't mind using Windows if I was more in control over the system and had dictate over the data being harvested. I miss the old days where one can buy an OS and then have full control over the computer. OS as a service means dealing with all the slimy legal nonsense that comes with modern lawyering. Microsoft shoves telemetry into everything today, and there is no real way to turn it off other than turning off the network. Louis Rossman sums up a lot of how I feel about companies and their data harvesting antics.
We are being spied on our phones way more then our PC . On the PC you can easily cut off the spy software on the phone it's impossible
Especially iphone. This thing is a spy bot 9000
For example this comment is saved in your account. It can be used against you in the future.
And your account is locked to your phone number
Of all the companies out there Microsoft is one I would trust far more than most. They have never relied on using user data to generate revenue for their business - a model that many other businesses operate on.
Its a "Total Recall"
Welcome to the future. 😁
The fact that these type of features are not optional is maddening, if they think that users want or need new features then describe it and what it does and if you want go to optional features and download it. Instead of don't want or need this feature Tuff your getting it
But IT IS optional.
Somehow I doubt it will stay opt in when Microsoft sees the adoption rate is less than 5%. So sick of anything that is "natural language" being called AI. So, I guess Ask Jeeves was 90s AI?
Speculation. I don't think I agree.
So, Microsoft has seen my plans for destroying the Universe; I guess I better hurry up and do it or Microsoft will beat me to it.😈
The Totalitarian Tip Toe
Foolishly, I used to trust Leo. But nowi see he's just a shill who answers legitimate concerns about Microsoft's bullying intrusviveness with "Whatever. Microsoft haters gonna hate. There's no objective discussion to be had." Unsubscribing.
Toodles!
Thanks, I am sure they are running Windows because it is all that they know.
People run Windows, or Mac OS - but not any Linux variation - because they are easy to use straight out of the box, and you don't have to eb a nerd to learn them. There's a lesson there for Linux, if it ever wants to rival the other OSs. Ease and convenience will always win out - this is true in computing as well as any other field you care to think about that general public has input in.
Perhaps so - it happens to be sold with pretty much every computer on the retail market apart from Chromebooks. It's also what practically all businesses use as well.
A few people who don't want to use Mcirosoft products may choose to run a computer on Linux but that's not really an option for the average person. Even having worked as a software engineer for what 30 years ago was one of the largest computer companies around I wouldn't want to use Linux.
Microsoft said it, so it must be true. You are beyond naive or you are a Microsoft Apologist. Either way you can no longer be trusted. I now have a low regard for you.
Whatever. Microsoft haters gonna hate. There's no objective discussion to be had.
@@askleonotenboom It's not about being a Microsoft Hater. Microsoft has shown time and again that it can't be trusted. Which is why there is such a high distrust of it. You must have blinders on or are a Microsoft fan boy. It's hard to believe you when you can't be objective.
So what you are saying is that M. has already a complete mirror image of ALL our hard drives with files, data, passwords, etc. which I suspected.
I am NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. What I'm saying that if you're concerned about OneDrive and Recall looking at your data (which I am not), why aren't you concerned about Microsoft looking at what they already have access to? The concern about one but not the other is nonsensical.
All this start with a TH-camr Linux fan who goes out of his way to hate ANYTHING Microsoft called Chris Titus. The way he argue how "you can't remove recall" over one recall reference on a single dependency is amazing the gymnastic these people to do try to push people on Linux.
0:23 do not use God's name as a profanity.
Oh My Gosh?
We are being spied on our phones way more then our PC . On the PC you can easily cut off the spy software but on the phone it's impossible
You know we can just cut it off? Use custom window. I'm using win 10 with everything useless cut off.