Total Microsoft Recall!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David discuss the Microsoft Recall feature (that has since been changed to opt-in) and whether or not they think it'll be useful.
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Hey! So just an FYI in case you missed it, Microsoft has made Recall opt-in since the recording of this episode.
Too many topics are on apple so I rarely watch
Microsoft is also now encrypting the screenshots and the SQLite database separately from the Windows disk encryption and Bitlocker, and requiring biometrics to see anything in Recall whatsoever. But I don't know if the SQLite database that this is all stored in will require biometrics to be opened in any sort of database management app or code editor. The database will no longer be accessible to other users on your computer, even fellow admins, without your account password. Microsoft got bullied hard on this one and I'm glad. Recall is still a bit too 1984 for me though. It also is not tied to Edge only for not taking screenshots of browser in private mode (so if you use Chrome/FF/etc, your private browsing is still safe), and I think URL exceptions are also browser-agnostic. Also, your employer has never needed something like Recall to spy on you and take screenshots of your computer. The info in the database is still plain text, not hashed.
That’s a good start. I still don’t trust them though. So likely won’t be opting in. I doubt my work will bother enforcing it to be on either. I have admin privs at my work and can tell you that if we wanted to, we could already see an awful lot about what employees are doing (mostly on the browser of course, but also if they’re running any software that’s not allowed we can see that too), so Recall would be fairly redundant. The tool would make things easier of course but it’s not strictly necessary. Fortunately management has very little interest in tracking micro-transactions around here.
@@cooliipieAlmost like they're the single most valuable company in the entire world
They had no choice. People were so angry about it that they temporarily withdrew the update. The question is where that info goes? We know that Microsoft has made it impossible to opt out of some of what you do already that they know and possibly keep. Are they trustable with this? They have Bing that could find this info useful. How much different from Google is this?
It's okay to not remember which movie you were watching the other day.
This should be the top comment!
Yep. I feel like in the age of technology we've been overcompensating for things that were totally benign from the get go. In this case, you don't always need to remember things or know the answer to every question. Kind of reminds me how my parents always told me that they might be talking with someone and have a question about something (say, what is the capital of India), and then just resign themselves to not knowing the answer if it were something no one around them knew. Whereas nowadays you'd instantly Google it. But that doesn't mean the modern-day version is any better. It's okay to not know things sometimes. Your life isn't gonna fall apart if you don't know what the capital of India is. Maybe if that's the city your fiance is from, or you're dealing with clients there, then yeah obviously that's different, but broadly speaking more information != better quality of life.
EXACTLY...Its *HUMAN* to be able to forget it. now we wont be able to and future gens will be conditioned to thing its terrible too
i disagree
god bless you man. I could not agree more with you.
Pen and paper is looking better and better with every passing moment.
Don’t forget to shut off your webcam… 😮😮😮
2014: Spyware
2024: Recall
2024: AI
Fixed!
@@Jake_2046 Later this week: AI Recall Recall
I don't recall. Did anybody ask for this?
AI is just a buzzword. It will be replaced a few years from now to something else. They are using different methods to steal your data.
@@Jake_2046 ai spyware
I can imagine all those e-mails from scammers saying "We have downloaded all your Recall data, all your screenshots. Pay us $1000 or we will release them to your wife, family, friends and colleagues" (whether they actually had access or not) and watching all the people panic...
Monty pyhthon prophesized this, the skit is called blackmail
Damn that scammer knows great English!
@@videowarehouse I would not care. Wife, family, etc would be thoroughly bored by my screen shots
The worst implications are for employees. Not only does that give your employer immense control over you, but they can also figure out how to automate your entire workflow in a very short period of time.
Work in IT. We already have immense control. We don't need this recall feature.
Employer has full control of the activities you perform as part of his/her employment. Courts have ruled in employers favor.
@@dmanduh96 Can confirm. It's best to assume that your boss is looking over your shoulder at all times. It's not your computer or, if it is, that's not your network you're connecting to. This is generally very clearly stated in employee handbooks. You do not enjoy any right to privacy when using company computing resources.
Already happening.
@@dmanduh96Must be why my work PC runs like complete garbage but as soon as it were to be wiped and reimaged with a non-corporate OS it would be a much better experience.
Microsoft has finally made things so uncomfortable that I've learned Linux.
Now windows only serves as my client for some professional applications and gaming stuff. Even that is dwindling
@@allstones1462I’ll be honest I made the effort to reinstall windows to play one game and it reminded me why I switched to Linux
@@allstones1462 bottles is the way to go if you haven't tried it. Most new games just work, some older games are more of a challenge, but thats the same on windows
Using Linux every day is a such a complete pain in the ass than it will be uncomfortable.
condolences
Passwords, sensitive business info, clients personal info. There are tons of reasons businesses would be crazy to turn recall on company wide
These are the reasons they would want it OFF. If there's something sketchy and it gets out (e.g. employee doing something sketchy, or the company does something sketchy - both are bad), the co will be negatively impacted. They have tools to track employee activity without this cr@p
Not only info. But also habits. Rental companies will be "happy" to decline you if they know your habit of not dealing with problematic credit scores. And with Recall, the evidence is now harder to dispute and more visible since they know if you just close your windows for any credit notice emails. Screenshot is private, sure. But deriving personality from how you do things on your computer is not.
That makes sense, now your sensitive info is stored in any number of poorly secured devices.
Yeah, I saw what Info it saves, not encrypted, this just needs to stay off at all times, I get it, the idea is very cool, but there is simply no way of doing it safely. They are insane for getting it out just like that
"There are tons of reasons businesses would be crazy to turn recall on company wide": The most what businessess are about, is money. If they think it will have their company a better financial position, it will be enforced to the employees. It is as simple as that. The shareholders will tell the CEO it is crazy to _not_ enforce Recall onto the employees. It's just a matter of time. Immediately from june, companies have the power to enforce it onto the employees. In the beginning, maybe 5% will do it. After a year: 15%. After four years: 95%. After seven years: we have all being brainwashed further; we will all have surrended and it will be default, not just for Microsoft but also for Apple, Google, Facebook, TikTok, etc. and all new (social) media platforms.
Not a soul on this planet sat there for a moment and genuinely asked for this. What a waste of human and physical resources only to disadvantage hard working employees even more.
I work in supply chain for a large manufacturing company. I spend 80% of my day on zoom and Teams calls. I just keep thinking of not only the privacy concerns for myself, but every person I talk to. Additionally, from a legal standpoint, if I'm on the phone with an international supplier, I'm pretty sure different countries, especially those in the EU, have much more strict privacy laws.
This will probably be completely forbidden in the EU. The person responsabilize for this at Microsoft is probably high on radioactive substances.
Recall AI will be like: "I've seen some things. 😨😮😵💫 "
🤣
😂
"You have not seen what I have seen" - Galadriel
The AI has receipts and it's gonna cancel you on Twitter
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Time to... snitch to Microsoft." 😁
Look back ...have you ever been in a situation where you wished you'd had this feature?
I can't.
When I'm looking for some hot stuff I watched years ago..
@@DeleteAfterClicking That might sounds good on the surface, but do you really wish Microsoft had been screenshotting all of that 😂
@MyLittleMagneton No, tech companies are going too far these days.
This is a security nightmare
always has with windows lol
Why not just install a key logger and called that Recall.
@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony recall works retroactively. if someone gets access to it they can read everything before the hack, with a keylogger on the other hand it can only read everything after the hack.
Security AND privacy nightmare. It's dystopian as fuck, and we shouldn't trust it at all.
The roots of this go back to an early 2000s DARPA project idea: "Lifelog". The articles "A Diary That Never Sleeps" and "15 Years Ago, the Military Tried to Record Whole Human Lives. It Ended Badly" have some info.
that episode of black mirror where they have bionic eyes that are recording their lives 24/7 and they can recall any moment of their live ever
Exactly what I was thinking... "The Entire History of You", an entire episode showing the huge problems about this tech.
Its basically crypto mining software. What I mean by that is, Microsoft used to have to do the analysis of your data on their servers, and that has costs/limitations. Now, they can have it all on your computer at your expense and they get the same benefit. Just like if they used your pc to mine crypto. They’re just mining you instead.
Time for the Linux take over!!!!!!
@@TechnoMinded-qp5in I get what you are saying. The problem is if enough people start using linux, its just a matter of time before one of the supper easy for newby distros does something like this. Ubuntu has already be caught harvesting user data. The best way to deal with this is crush it now, not switch platforms.
Beyond MSFT, your work laptop will give your management access to your social media, investment accounts, & Bank accounts. Good luck!!!
Dude its my thoughts )
So based!
This is like installing a key logger and calling that Recall. Employers could use Recall to audit their employees as a random check of productivity. For example, a policy where the manager randomly comes to you and says, “show me what you where doing yesterday at 1:20pm” And if there are three instances of the employee goofing off, they’re fired.
Imagine someone followed you around town and took pictures of you..."for safe keeping". Their camera stores the pictures encrypted and the person keeps the camera safe. But you didn't ask them to take pictures of you or give them permission and you don't know them. I don't think I need to say more.
It's not even encrypted tho
pakistan government is going to be microsofts primary customer now
Bold of you to assume it's encrypted.
But what if you want to search what time you enter McDonalds at Tuesday last month? Its very important information to know. What if you want to remember what was you stool consistency last week? Its all there, with the camera guy. Its very important. 🤣🤣
I use a PC laptop for medical charting. Taking screenshots, even encrypted, would be a HIPAA violation. I do not have a Business Associate contract (required by HIPAA to share information) with Microsoft. Each violation carries up to a $100,000 fine. So $100,000 every 5 seconds could add up quickly.
Just did the math. Assuming an 8-hour work day, 5 days a week for 52 weeks per year, and that each screenshot counts as a separate violation with a $100,000 fine, this means Microsoft would be spending roughly $150 BILLION dollars on HIPPA fines alone per hospital/medical office.
If I’m understanding the product correctly then everything is done locally on your machine so it would be no different than you taking the screenshots yourself, other than the fact that it’s encrypted. Not saying I fully support it, but I could see it be super useful in a lot of ways. To what you are saying the violation would be if Microsoft took that information from the screenshot whereas I don’t believe that is the intention of the product.
@@pipzaman123 you may be correct, but that means you local PC would be having to run an LLM to make it useful
@cturtle97 yes, that is the point of the new UPU on the next generation processors from Intel and AMD. So the AI LLM can be run on the local PC.
@@pipzaman123him taking screenshot of client information himself would be a HIPPA violation, so it is also a HIPPA violation when Microsoft automatically does it for "his benefit".
Recall is non-complaint with nearly every corporate data standard.
IT Departments are going to need to develop ways of turn it off, ensure it is turned off and somehow keep it off 100% guaranteed.
Its spyware, except for when big daddy Microshit does it.
Switch to Linux NOW even on your work laptops I am running Ubuntu Cinnamon and never looking back at this garbage company I also recommend putting GrapheneOS on your phone ASAP when you get a chance if your device qualifies for the transfer.
Microsoft realizing that hackers were right about maximum profit all along
@@TechnoMinded-qp5ini tried grapheneos but i could not get magisk to work with it... I need root for adblock and termux
@@TechnoMinded-qp5in Switched to Pop OS, and getting a Pixel for GrapheneOS since my current phone needs replacing anyway.
@@TechnoMinded-qp5in 💯👋
And that was the last drop in the bucket that pushed me completely to linux. Didn’t regret it…
I'm pretty sure the FBI and CIA love this feature and hackers don't forget hackers
I haven’t forgot about the hackers.
If you learned how to use basic punctuation, your comments would mean what you are trying to communicate. I highly recommend it.
Do you really think CIA and FBI need that to get into your computer.?????? They don't. !!!
@@erickanter They do. And for loooong time.
It will be on their computers too.
Just waiting for the moment police can get a warrant for this information.
Would the judge feel comfortable issuing the warrant? What was that tv show saying, “are you scared?” Scare tactics.. that was the show right?
Police would likely not even need a warrant. Government agencies request information from tech companies and the companies just hand over the information without a second thought. Your ring doorbell footage is accessible to every law enforcement official in the country with a single phone call.
@@scandalouspanda7489 Yeah, and on top of that, now Pennsylvania supreme court says police can cuff you and then force your thumb onto your phone to unlock it, so they can go through it, all without a warrant. They did this to a man, got his location information, found out everywhere he went, found his home address, went there, used his key to get inside and searched his home. All without a warrant or permission. And apparently that's okay now. We're living in a f-cking police state.
@@scandalouspanda7489 Corporations and governments seem to be increasingly colluding. "Friendly fascism" is here.
ding ding ding
Re: 'the devil's advocate' argument: Other AI assistants' interactions are very explicit "Hey Siri, Hey Google, etc" and directed "message someone, help me get to, etc". Recall is very implicit and captures everything whether you want it to be a part of your AI experience or not.
Google listens to you all the time. I though everybody knew that!
@@marcgtsryea, that shit was always a red flag despite how convenient it is
Huh? That's not how they work. Those assistants are ALWAYS listening. Always. They just interact when they hear the trigger words.
@@nathanborger6551 I agree they are always _listening_ but they are not storing your recordings of _everything_. They only store recordings of your explicit interactions with the assistant. At least that's what Google says about their assistants. I have no experience with the other ones.
*"they will respect you privacy"*
They never do.
*"it's optional"*
For now,we all know is gonna be mandatory in the next version of windows
If is not open source so we can actually *SEE* what the code is doing we cannot actually know what is doing,we can only trust they word,and they showed again and again they cannot be trusted with our data.
you can just use the open source alternative
Exactly, everything is encryped and stored locally... for now...
What happens when the people accept this and let Recall collect mountains of data on them, and Microsoft quietly releases an update that allows them to take all that data for themselves?
Bad product. Worse name lol. "Let's name after what happens when there's a manufacturing defect in your car " lol
I actually thought from the title that Microsoft was recalling PCs lmao
I thought there was a RECALL on Windows 11 LOL
Words famously only have one meaning… but yes it is a bad and intrusive product.
When I read the title I actually thought they were doing a software rollback or something
Don’t worry, as soon as you’re used to it they’ll go ahead and change the name to something else
9:20
This is literally the entire premise of Black Mirror's "The Entire History of You".
Elon alluded to this also.
Every time you use a password manager to generate a strong unique password it will be captured in the screenshot - oh dear.....
And what about credit cards, banking info, sensitive information. This is a (1) hackers nightmare and (2) the death of privacy in the household. There is no point to incognito mode in shared computers with this enabled
It's insane.
@@yamyam263 I doubt this is a hacker's nightmare
This is a massive headache for everyone, whether you disable the feature or not. There will be screenshots of extremely sensitive information on millions of computers because of this feature, and even if you disable it on your personal computer, others handling your personal data may not have it disabled, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
Do we trust that it will really be disabled? What if it takes the screenshots anyway, what if an update turns it on and you dont notice?
"Opting out" could basically amount to "you opt out of the potential benefits, but we still scrape data". Reminds me of when TH-cam started collecting ad revenue off of videos with ads turned off by the creator. "Turning off ads" became just opting out of the profits you would have received. TH-cam will still happily take your cut.
@@copypasta1585 I think they want this feature so they can have dirt on every single person. They already have a vast profile for every person, they know who you are, what your views are ect. If they would block your comments because they don't like what you say, what else would they do? Threaten you? Arrest you? Block your bank account? Yes. Look how hard they are going after a certain person of whom it is extremely difficult to have dirt on, and think about all of this
@@copypasta1585 my point exactly
When Microsoft decided to require syncing on Edge and remove the option for people to turn it back off, every single update from then on would re-enable syncing on Edge.
The only way to get around it was to set some sort of policy for your computer as if an organization owns it and has turned syncing permission off.
I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to suddenly force users to update everyone to "opting into" this Recall service, similar to what they did with Edge.
@@Dreamprism Microsoft has been pushing the Limits of privacy breach since Windows 8. I distinctly remember having to help an neighbor ask for help, they installed W8 and it was extremely slow, typing anything in the web browser had lots of delay. After viewing system processes and doing research, it turns out every single keypress on the system was being sent to Microsoft. LOL think about how crazy that is. They of course did remove that in windows 8.1 but its only because people with slow internet basically couldn't use the system that way. I am fairly confident that even without Recall, they are monitoring what you do, anybody that uses Edge is a fool, as they have already been taking screenshots as well
How many people never both to check their settings after major OS updates? It just takes one time for them to reset your settings and now it's back on. Hence "opt out" instead of opt in.
This feels like a land lore installing wifi security cameras in your apartment "so you can find out where you last put your keys, in case you lose them".
Bro just said a land lore...
0:40 fun fact, that's an use case it actually *cannot* do.
If you're watching any content under DRM, such as Netflix, Recall will NOT capture screenshots. Your CC info is fair game though.
If it can differentiate between Netflix, for example, and other things, they should be able to filter out credentials
I'm done with Winblows. I'm installing Linux Mint tonight. Windows sells your privacy while Linux protects it. Hell Linux is so efficient it even can run Windows games faster even with the translation. We are using the wrong OS at home.
Mint is ok but I would recommend something that uses the KDE desktop, as a Windows 11 user you will feel right at home. Mint feels more like Windows 7 or vista. God speed!
@@RCSky7711 windows 7 was better anyway! Been considering linux for a while, it's definitely time..
@@RCSky7711which would you specifically recommend then? Kubuntu?
@@RCSky7711 I mean, you could use KDE Plasma with Mint. It just won't necessarily be supported to the same level as Cinnamon
lol
feel free to reach out if you're not confident in your linux skills. this is written from linux mint 👍
My company knows everything I’ve ever done on my work computer and they keep it for 5 years. What is this, what if they do this? Quite a lot have been for a decade.
I can’t think of a time when the issues this would solve that couldn’t be solved by browser history.
How is my browser history going to help with local files? A spreadsheet I had open 2 days ago. Dont get me wrong, I'll never enable this feature; but browser history isn't really the point.
@@deidyomega jah the point is to spy on you
@@tatiannointed yeah im aware of that
@@deidyomega Browser History won't, but File Explorer's recent folder will....
@@deidyomega i was strictly thinking about "show me that shirt I looked at yesterday" You're right, it wouldn't solve that problem, but also, I cant think of a time when I was looking for a file that I couldn't relatively easily find if I wanted too.
The main issue is letting a third party understand you and your life better than you do yourself. And this third party we should trust it to not use this understanding against you and your society!
My thinking is that they might not scrape *ALL* your data, but they'll be mighty tempted to do send an "search request" to your computer, and upload just the data from that specific search.
No it will be in one of those "reports" which send back to microsoft in order to "improve the system". So bug reports too.
And remember, this is not a bug it is a feature, so your data is actually helping improving their... system.
Why would it help if the data stored on your machine is encrypted if the key to decrypt it is also stored on the same machine?
Regarding 3:30, I'm pretty sure companies have been doing essentially that, for well over a decade now. Maybe not screenshoting, but certainly logging nearly everything their employees do on company computers. Years ago, I consulted for a company where every office computer was basically just a display for a virtual machine, run from a server the boss had total control over.
Some do. But any sensible company will not do it with a tool controlled by Ms and implemented so poorly, where the risks of company info leaking far outweigh the benefits
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul Funny thing about that.. Most companies I've seen doing it, are using an MS product to do it.
@@NikoKun any decent company will use this party tools for screen-shoting/network monitoring of employees. Just Google "workplace surveillance tools", you won't see ms products there. Which Ms tools do you mean?
@@NikoKun Google "workplace serve veil ance tools" (correct the spelling, apparently yt is getting triggered by the word and ate my initial reply). Won't see ms software there.
@@NikoKun which exactly?
This is a serious topic and hats off for you guys to bring such discussions to public view.
Should have called it Total Recall, after the movie that portrays alternate reality difficulties in a dystopian world.
The script that already exists to hack recall is called total recall
An alternate dystopian world with cooler tech.
I get the backlash, but Recall is the main reason im gonna buy a Copilot+ laptop. The ability to, say, search for a clip of something i did in a game is huge for me. Im also going to school, so having every note and document saved in a recall LLM i can talk to is freaking amazing! Also Google already has way more info on me than my computer screen can provide.
On android by default, I'm giving them my 24/7 location, every photo ive ever taken, all my ad preferences, texts, phone calls, web history, credit card info, etc.
I truly dont care Microsoft wants to watch me work in Premiere
Hey, what about a password manager? If a hacker gets into your computer, you're in big trouble.
Not really, password managers have layers of protection like MFA, master password, and biometric locks. Even if I want to use my own password manager I have to often use my biometrics to allow it. They’re saying this feature is stored in plaintext, meaning even if I view my own passwords or credit card info or bank info in my password manager, that info is there in the Recall text files which is so weird
recall was originally intended to be encrypted and they have added encryption integrated with windows hello now
You don't seriously use a password manager do you? You trust it? You trust there are no bad actors in the password managing sw companies? Hmm. Ok
Having worked in a hospital all I can think of is HIPPA. If microsoft does end up scraping the info and a small hospital with only a 3-4 IT employees doesn’t disable this feature, this could be a huge HIPPA violation.
And I wish m$ would be accountable in those cases... but no ofc not... small guy has to know every nook and cranny while corpo does whatever they want with next to zero regard to anything but their bottomline. Wonderful world :,)
An all knowing artificial intelligence. What could go wrong?
does it know how to convert stupidity to electrical energy to power a typical modern house?
@@laurentitolledo1838 if its been taught how to then yes and thats the downfall of AI. If its faced with a truly novel consept or situation its never had any kind of context or understand of then it will fail 100% of the time
because AI is well known for spitting out actually 100% facts, and, for being very intelligent too and not at all just copy paste. Like, your data being used directly in an answer to a completely different user.
Thanks for this video to know a lot about your opinions. It's pretty strange how this fears a lot when on a side note, your phone know where you were, know which pictures you've taken and reminds you about it, knows your mails etc...
I know they made it opt-in but I think we need to take it very seriously when companies with a large market share make AI features opt-out only. If they suddenly roll out an AI feature that scrapes your data, even for a day before you opt out, that might be all they need considering the billions of other people they also did it to. That's a large enough data set. We should NOT let companies make any data scraping feature opt out only.
They made it opt out
The fact that it’s opt-out should tell you everything you need to know because if you’re not using it to track or store data then you wouldn’t force it on people by default
“Computer, what was that Marica Hase video I was looking for last Friday?”
"Computer, enhance."
Ah, Gentleman of culture
My biggest concern with this, is that it will be used to learn how to automate jobs. I can see this being used to learn how employees go about the process of getting work completed, 95% of what I do is on my computer, so it wouldn't be hard for AI to learn to automate my responsibilities, and at the same time allowing employers to better "track" how their employees spend their time, much more in-depth then current tools where employers could search for certain type of activities, like side chats and what not.
If it's taking a screenshot every 5 seconds, is there a time limit window on the storage or is it perpetual which would eat your disk like crazy over time?
Yeah same thought 🤔
@@deliberatelyyahoo It reserves 50GB of storage for the feature and the screenshots last for about a month or two (I think)
I think I saw someone dig into the current version and its super compressed images, I think like half a kb or something each? In any case it can store a lot of them for relatively little space.
No real idea on what that becomes over time though
@@Mark-ns3jo nah I thought they said 25gb are enough for about 3 months, and 50gb for around 6. depending on use obviously, I think that's for heavy use and if you use your PC less it will last considerably longer.
@@SimonVaIe Sounds more accurate. I think I only read about the 50gb option. Out of curiosity, would you use the feature?
The arguments have literally arrived at the level of "you know, taking drugs also feels good. We should do things that feel good, therefore we should all be addicts."
Man, we have the choice to say no to Malware Assistant (tm).
For employees, there's probably a way to set up a virtual monitor with some absurd resolution to accomplish the same thing as a zip bomb. Recall used 23 TB of storage in 15 minutes, better turn that off.
I think my biggest concern is that back in the Windows NT days (I think it was 3.0) they were accidentally storing data like logon and passwords as plain text within the swap file.The fact that they didn't know it was happening and took a version rev to fix it is making me skeptical.
this would be dope if it was open source and you got to choose if u want to run it locally or not, let alone install it in the first place. i dont even trust them to not use it if its installed but disabled
Me neither. I would have to delete every binary, disable every service, deny every out-bound network call, etc.. to make sure the it is not just not working but also does not present in any form on my system. Or... install a linux distro of you flavour and forger this BS.
The elevator pitch for this sounds so wildly invasive and stupid it is staggering this "product" made it to users let alone past the dumb market pitch. Imagine a secretary telling you in order to schedule your meetings they need cameras setup in every room of your house including your bathrooms and bedroom.
Microsoft has completely lost the plot on what is important for Windows development. People just want to use the browser and play some games. They don't want Bing Ads in the settings app, App recommendations in the start menu and spyware 'AI' features. I started on Windows with Windows 98 but finally left Windows as my main operating system this year. (Moved to Pop! Os, a Linux distro)
That "unskippable ad break" is the best! :D
How often are PC users struggling to recall what they've been doing? We have search history and bookmark tools already. I don't see the use. Way more harmful than helpful.
Dont forget about the activity history feature that is essentially a keylogger
They keep trying to put ads in the start menu - they have already shown their colours haha
I just wanna say , I love the logo intro an it’s time length… just enough time for me to rotate my phone, the screen to catch up and then the video starts …. Cool job y’all
MS tripped hard. Even calling it "Recall", uhh why not just call it Skynet?
MS doesn't necessarily have to scrape data from the screenshot and send it back to MS servers. The analysis and ID generation and other analysis could happen on your machine. They'll get everything they need for your advertising profile without removing that data from your pc.
Someone goes amazon on a public/rent PC with Recall. Then, later the ADMIN, becomes a STALKER.
Alexa or Siri feels like someone looking over your shoulder all the time to see what you are doing.
This Microsoft Recall feels like some one looking over your shoulder with a video camera and recording what you are doing all the time..
That's why this feels extra creepy
Technically, Apple intelligence will be doing the same thing, but people are biased regarding a preference for apple products and so they won’t receive as much criticism for their roll out of generative AI features
Indeed
I agree. I've been using computers since the mid-1980s and I can NOT "recall" a need for this feature that would outweigh the monumental risks of such a program. It's a HARD pass for me. Companies such as Microsoft, Google, and Apple cannot be trusted to keep our private information private. They WILL use our information in their own best interest.
Also... it's already been hacked. If a bad actor has malware on your system, they can capture all this information very quickly. This is probably the most awful idea Microsoft has ever had. (I'm including them intentionally lowering system requirements for Windows Vista, thinking Windows 8 was a nifty idea, and Windows ME....)
3:30 LOL, as the top IT admin for an employer of over 300 employees... I already have complete access to everything you've done on my computers, can grab your screen at any moment from anywhere in the world as well as take control. I guarantee you 95% of IT dept's will disable this feature to save disk space and processing power.
Having this insight is practically a necessity to protect the business' assets.
On another note, the idea that Siri data is store on device is laughable. Have any of you that personally own Apple devices even read the reset/setup dialogs? It literally says (not to mention allows you to... so it must be stored off-device) it will back up Siri data to iCloud on reset, and on restore you can download it back to any device, as long as you know the passcode set (which for all intents and purposes is the encryption key). So no, it's not stored only on the device.
I'm already subscribed but somehow felt compelled to subscribe again at the end. Very strange.
I've slightly wanted a DVR for my computer for a long time, but now that it's becoming a standard feature, I'm re-thinking that. I might still consider setting something up that's in my control and only keeps stuff for one day.
Sounds like your saying "Dells advocate" 🤣
That's what I thought he said at first until I saw this comment lol
NPUs in your machine will record all your information PRIOR to encryption. It is skynet + big brother.
I hope I will be able to remove Recall from computer like I did with Xbox things and all other Microsoft thigs/bloat I didn't wanted on my computer and if Microsoft don't offer this option from start, I hope EU will step in.
No worries. That is possible.
Wipe windows, install Linux.
Damn i can't play gamepass at work no more :(
David, you are in a youtuber bubble. Corporate IT has been taking screenshots of our work laptops for over a decade, especially since covid.
Your work laptop is one thing, your personal computer is another.
No they haven't, not widespread. You're exaggerating.
Loved the un-skippable bit at the end, I did just subscribe and hit the bell, liked and all that good stuff. keep doing what you do!!!
I'm counting on Microsoft not retrofitting this shit down to Windows 7.
Win 7 has been out of support for years now.
@@arturoescorcia Just got a security update yesterday.
Enterprise versions of Windows are fully customizable from the backend. Either through AD DS group policy or through Entra. What likely would happen is that setting would be opt-in for enterprise customers and MS may even charge extra for a license that comes with Recall.
1:40 " Why should we trust a trillion dollar company and what they say"
Yet you use apple products.
“Yet you use any electronic product ever”, what’s your point? Flop.
It’s crazy but sometimes it feels like apple has more privacy than others but I’m not sure if that is correct or not. I was hyped from the new surface laptops until I got to know that Recall screenshots the screen all the time. That’s why I tend to choose apple as my new notebook 😅
Apple’s business model is privacy. They spend billions on this every year. If they broke their promise to customers to never do this, they would be in big trouble.
@@BLNeonblauin order to access your recall info you need to unlock it
@@BLNeonblauApple sold you Siri. A surveillance device that listens to you ALL the time (how else could it react to "Siri"?).
Apple doesn't give you privacy.
Of note, the Google Photos search only works if you enable backup, which is to say it's actually cloud based processing, so the data from that definitely does leave your phone
Apple does it- OMG
Microsoft does it- Spyware
No, Apple doesn’t do this. They don’t need to sell your data. It’s very different. Part of Apple’s entire sales approach is to protect privacy. Their customers expect that, if they did this it would be a major problem for them and they know it.
Apple doesn't do this...
@@melgross Apple bro be like:Trust me, Apple cares about privacy and their users..
@@melgrossgo to the Apple presentation of its intelligence, it's the same
@@paisa20 no, it’s not. I watch Apple, Microsoft and Google presentations. They are definitely not the same.
Funny hearing you guys repeat the expression "physical screenshots" for something digital. Your reality is shaped by digital screens.
I don't see any difference between Recall and Apple Intelligence. but the reception is totally opposite. lol
you can't access what Siri is learning about you as a list of text, including passwords, social security numbers and other sensitive info. So if somebody breaks in to your phone, you're not totally screwed, nor can your employer look all of this info up on the work computer, like the Admin can with recall.
Siri can't reach everything on the device, like it hasn't any data from your video calls, like showing you the power point presentation with a purple text.. Siri have no clue about what happend on that video calls, it's only have acces for the text messages for that meeting.. also on Apple side with iOS 18/iPadOS 18 you can lock apps, and if your device fail to pass the FaceID verification those apps pretending to not even exists, alias even Siri search will not search from those apps until you verify your identity..
@@MrDzalaPlus Siri is a privacy nightmare too and you shouldn't use that either.
As a law enforcement employee who uses the National Crime Information database everyday it’ll be interesting to see how this changes the field I’m in and the type of work we do. Security is everything. We do training on it every year. I wonder honestly what our options will be and if we will even continue using Microsoft if this feature is introduced.
The two at the table with Marques saying that they trust Apple then dogging so hard on Microsoft are iSheep and completely clueless to how much apple pulls the same shit. lol
I don't recall Apple mentioning giving access of everything you've done on your work computer to your employer
we're literally swapping our entire desktop infrastructure over to Linux by end of year because of Recall. I can make it look just like Windows 11 for the users, and with WinApps they won't even have to learn a new office suite.
Microsoft is terrible in marketing
I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't turned Windows into a monthly subscription service! $15 a month for Windows lite, $30 a month for Windows Premium, $45 a month for Windows Premium no ads!
My question is, theyre saying you shouldnt trust microsoft( a trillion dollar) company, just because they said so but how do you turn around and trust apple saying the info stays on device and isnt accessed by them...🤥
Plot twist is that in digital assistant app settings in Android (place where you can decide whether you use Gemini, Assistant, Copilot or so) there's literally an option "Use screenshot" that is on by default (considering you agreed to some T&C at some point).
FYI: In Australia, you can use Siri to transfer money with your Commonwealth Bank account. There is a "Hey Siri" Shortcut prompt when you perform a transfer. So, yes, Apple/Siri can "see your bank account". Might not be a screenshot but has the API to do a thing like move your money around. It's on device, and secure, but that's the same as Microsoft's version.
Also, some jobs already have monitoring software on the computer. We have non-personalised computers at work, meaning they are shared. They are on all the time, but you have to "log in" to access company programs and log you out if you walk away. They have software that is basically a screenshot and keylogger. And the rules for using the computers are basically "These are work computers, do not use them for personal use".
Why are people acting like this is something new. As long as you have access to the internet someone will always have access to your data. Remember folks, you can always deter cyber attacks, but you can never completely stop it.
Just wait until Apple implements the same feature and everyone will be like "WOW! This is so amazing! Apple did it again!".
I have used a PC for almost 2 decades, and to me, this feature is completely useless. Even if security concerns wouldn't be the case I would opt out so it doesn't clutter my disk space.
Cooked? Screwed? You're BBQ chicken with hot corporate total recall salsa
5:08 expert opinion
11:30 what should MS say to make you trust this?
Marques Brownlee is so ahead in time, that he can question others fears, but at the same time he knows that everything is already happening, and the problem is not the company ahead this AI, but the human fears against an advanced AI. ❤❤❤
What about if there is an actual button for the recall to take a screenshot...
You see something and think the information might be useful later, you press it and it does ....
And you set how long it keeps these information, that way, the action, the time the "screenshot is taken" and for how long it's stored is all in your control
The problem is: there is no way to extract important information from the image without your next question.
So they must somehow preserve the original screenshot information, so that the model can attend to specific details of it based on user question.
Theoretically, it will be possible to preserve the embedings of the image (so that human cant see whats inside), but they will take much more space ((storing thousands of float numbers if more expensive, than 10kb image)), and still potentially exploitable(hackers can simply use simple questions, like: does this image contain a password, and the model will happily state there is, since it understands the image embeddings)